April 30, 2024 • 49 mins
Multistate cannabis company MedMen™ leaves the industry by filing bankruptcy proceedings in Canada with about $411 million in liabilities. MedMen™ announced on April 26 that it filed for bankruptcy under Canada’s Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act on April 24. The business advisory firm B. Riley Farber Inc. was appointed as the company’s bankruptcy trustee. The company also announced that its American subsidiary based in California entered receivership in the Los Angeles Superior Court on April 23 for the organized dissolution and liquidation of its assets. Cannabis Talk 101, “The World’s #1 Source For Everything Cannabis”, made global history by becoming the first cannabis show to partner with iHeartMedia, on 4/20/2020. Thank you for listening & watching Cannabis Talk 101 with Christopher Wright, aka "Blue" the CEO and creator of Cannabis Talk 101 and the Cannabis Talk Network. & Joe Grande, former Co-Host on Big Boy’s Neighborhood on Power 106 FM, On-Air with Ryan Seacrest on 102.7 KIIS FM in Los Angeles and The Dog House in the Bay Area on WILD 94.9 KYLD. Toking with the Stars with Chuckie & Marty, & Financial Fridays with Tony Kassaei, The Inside Investor, on YouTube, IHeartRadio App, Spotify, & Apple Podcasts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome the Cannabis Talk one oh one featuring Blue and
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello, and welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one, the
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back live on the show, and today it's my turn
to host Tony. Our last show, Tony was hosting me
we got into a financial style, but today we're gonna
take it back to cannabis.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
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Speaker 4 (01:00):
Exits ready stage is the man.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, he's very knowledgeable. Check him out. This dude knows
everyone as.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Well he does.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
He sure does, Tony. We're gonna be talking about some
juicy cannabis stories. Medmen first and foremost massive player in
the industry, and they just filed for bankruptcy. Before we
get into that, I first want to ask you a
couple of questions.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Tony.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's been about a year since you joined cannabis talk.
Tell me how you're feeling. You know, you run the
you run a financial Friday show in front of the camera,
a whole bunch You're going to a whole bunch of events.
You're in the cannabis industry. Now, what's your thoughts and
feelings on, you know, the last year.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Well, I gotta say I'm a little disappointed at your
introduction to me, Connor. I expect a little bit more hype.
You're like, yeah, this is just Tony woo poo poop
this and that bro like I was expecting, like you know,
MMA style, and then this corner camp is the cider
investor boom boop boop, and you just fucking low key candle.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I can't spoil the ending there's a lot.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Of Tony's out there, bro introduce me, tell the people
who I am.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I can't spoil the ending, however, let me let's run
it back for the sake of Tony. Here, I have
next to me, Yes, Tony Kasai, the insider investor of
Financial Friday here at C two one to one. He
has vast financial experience across Wall Street, whole different different
pools of finances. You can ask him pretty much any
question and he probably has a wise answer for you. Tony,
(02:33):
thank you for joining the show.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Well, thank you, Connor, I appreciate that organ it no, man,
I'm just teasing you. Yeah, But you know, it's been
a it's been definitely an interesting ride. You know, if
I look back on my life twenty four to thirty
six months ago, I had no idea'd be in the
cannabis industry or cannabis space, if you will, or anything
related to cannabis outside of being a consumer. So it
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is definitely been eye opening. It's just been, you know,
very every day is a new adventure. Every day has
just been an exciting roller coaster upstowns. But that's the
way it is in this industry, that that's what I've realized,
and you know, we don't have as much of the pitfalls.
I think that the that the dispensary owners, the growers,
the brands do you know, dealing with the different legislation, taxations,
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competition and just you know, there's a lot of good
operators in the industry. Unfortunately, there's some bad ones. They're
getting weeded out, so I see, you know, we have
some great, amazing brands that I've gotten to know over
the years. Anthony from forty Tons was sharing with me
some of their stories about their brand.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
So it's been interesting seeing this ride up and.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Down, and you know, it's been an honor to be
a part of the show, and it's kind of cool
to kind of be on the show on this side
of the this side of the table, if you will,
as a as a guest. In fact, I was just
looking on socials. I think it was about three or
four years ago this month that I met Blu for
the first time, or first show that I did on
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their show.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Got It, Got It four years ago, so you've you've
been a friend of the show for a while. I
can say that the cannabis industry every day is different.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You know, there's ups and downs, you know, positive negatives,
everything in between, and that's you know, I think that
encapsulates life. Not to get too deep, but you know
you'd rather have that than nothing at all.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
So you know, and you've gone through a lot of
changes too. You know when I remember coming here first,
and you're almost kind of graduating from being a rookie
and from an intern to paid position to the engineer
and not really having the staff. I mean, the show
does depend and rely upon you. So that's that's a
really rapid rise that you've had in the industrate here
at iHeartRadio's Cannabis Talk one of one as well.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Definitely in a shout out to everyone here. You know,
they've given me a great platform to be able to
learn and you know, make mistakes and learn from those
mistakes and you know, be able to grow and find
what position I like the most here and you know,
the sound engineer position kind of you know I filled
into it, but I genuinely do like it. So I
(05:01):
got Chris Frankino over here about a chat shit to
me real quick, that's you gotta say.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I was like, is that a cop out for some
upcoming mistakes.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You're brought to make it uh past mistakes. You know,
I've had some blunders. I've had some blunders.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Think about Connors.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
He gets blamed for shit that has nothing wrong with him,
has nothing to do with them, and he'll just get
shipped and then and then he'll just kind of put
his head down and take it.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Charge it to the game. Baby.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
But we're here on the Cannabis Talk one on one
flagship show, so let's talk about some cannabis real quick.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Let's do so.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The quick headline was that Medmen files for bankruptcy five
years after their three billion dollar valuation and left with
a hefty debt of four hundred and nineteen million in liabilities.
Tony just face value with the article title as a
financial man, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Gosh, man, There's so many different directions to go on that,
but you know, it was it was almost prophetic that
you and I were doing my show last week. I
don't think that show was aired yet, and I think
the show will air after that. But the show that
you and I shot was less than a week old,
and we were talking about mid Men, and I was
sharing with you how Till Ray had invested. If I'm
(06:17):
not mistaken about a half a billion dollars of these
convertible notes that med Men had and again not legal advice,
not looking at their financials, it looks like definitely till
Ray's gonna take a bath on a half a billion
dollars because when you loan money on secured or unsecured
debt like that, or well.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
When you know though real quick, Tony, you know, and
we see this happened with a lot of brands, not
just big ones like the till Rays and Medmen's. You know,
there's a lot of bad actors out there that run
their bills up with the vendors and then just say,
oh it's not working. I'm gonna file a bankruptcy. Four
hundred and how many millions of dollars?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Connor again four hundred and nineteen.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
It said, that's a lot of brands not going to
get paid right now that I've been trying to get paid,
And that seems to be a very common theme stream.
It's just unfortunate that it's the big guys that you
see that are taking the hitting the news. But I mean,
we we've all seen We've had guests in here on
the show before that were dispensary owners in the past
that we're no longer here today either. Yeah, it seems
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to be a pretty common theme, you know, especially as
we look at statistics. Eighty five percent of businesses cannabis
businesses were forced to close their doors in twenty twenty three,
eighty five percent from California alone.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And so yeah, that's California, right, Frank.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, what do you think is like, you know,
the the lead of of course of events as to
why everyone's you know, just defaulting to bankruptcy and not
wanting to pay the vendors.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
While it's poor management for sure, one of them, right,
but it's also that it was the inflated false hope
that they had of security thinking that during twenty twenty
we had the pandemic, okay, which fed into twenty twenty
one some parts of twenty twenty two where everybody was
still getting that stimulus money. Yes, Okay, twenty twenty we
had record breaking sales and cannabis are across the board
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because everybody was out home smoking weed.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It's called deemed essential as well.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Yeah, and then as you got further into people going
back to work life coming back, people had to start
going back to work and had to start smoking weed
all day. So, I mean, I think that a lot
of the false securities that people had in twenty twenty
thinking that this big inflation that happened for us by
the cannabis industry, I mean it was hemorrhaging. I mean,
everybody was selling out. It was just it was it
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was a great time if you were in the cannabis industry.
But you saw a lot of brands and ones that
I personally have been dealing with for several years who
went expanded their brand, spent a ton of money on
getting a bigger facility, hiring more people. And then when
the market crashed, when it went back down to normal
prices and the markets all got flooded again, and now
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everyone's stuck with pounds that they can't get rid of.
And so we seen people that I think that they
thought that was something that was like, oh my gosh,
I got the scale into this industry or skill my
business up to be able to accommodate what's happening, and
then it didn't work out right because the sales didn't
stay the same as again people went back to work.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, and it's a little bit more complex.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Everything he's saying is accurate, but I think on a
case by case basis right you look at in my opinion,
there's three reasons you're seeing that specifically with you know,
this insane stat that he's talking about eighty five percent
of the cannabis related businesses going out of business in California.
I think the first reason is is something that's kind
of obvious to anybody that's really trying to do the
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business by the books, which is the taxation and the
disparity between the black market and the gray market and
the white market. You know, black market being the illegal market,
gray market being on the fence where some brands are
still selling to both sides. And then you got the clean,
squeaky clean guys that are trying to do everything by
the book because they're trying to really expand nationally. So
when you look at the disparity between buying an ounce
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at a dispensary for a price point that's thirty to
forty percent higher than you could from the same supp
flyer possibly glutting the market with inventory, that's going to
be one of the main reasons. The second reason that
I think you're seeing these big you know, what Frankino
was talking about was your smaller maybe regional operators call
it less than twenty million dollars type businesses.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Then you get these big guys, right, the Hunt.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
The Medmen's, the till Ray is these huge half a
billion dollar you know, and you're like, how the hell
do you lose money at that level? And I think
that comes down to functionality of And this lesson can
be applied to any industry.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
But when you look at a corporation.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Or a massive conglomerate like that, you got to look
at what is the driving force behind the decision makers
to go make certain types of moves.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
And I'll give you an example.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
We were talking about till Ray and then putting in
a half a billion dollars into Medmen. They also had
dumped some money in into another venture that had lost
significant amounts of money. So is it that there are
bad decision makers?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Possibly?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Or sometimes for example Medmen right when they expanded into
New York and everybody that understood that New York was
not the right market to be When you have sixty
thousand or forty thousand illegal to spend series and less
than one hundred legal, there's obviously huge disparity there. Then
when we have local politicians not playing the game, not
shutting down the illegal stores, and in fact there's a
proliferation of them on every corner. Used to be able
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to go to New York and all you'd smell was
the bums and the pizza, And now every damn corner
you go down there's a dispensary and it smells like
we've but ninety nine percent of those dispensaries are not
life ensed.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
That's what we're talking about the last.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
So then you say, well, why would medmen, you know,
go start opening stores on the equivalent of Fifth Avenue
and Rodeo Drive and spend millions of dollars in just
you know, real estate. And for them it was market share, right,
So when you look at the upper levels of management,
their bonuses, their compensation structure, their stocks are tightly tied
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into metrics that have nothing to do with the success
of a company. It could have been that, hey, if
we hit one hundred retail stores, the CEO gets and
I'm guessing here right, yeah, exactly. And you see this
across every industry. When you're like, how do they get mismanaged,
it's simply because of that management's vision is not aligned
with the products, the product and the success, the actual
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financial success of the company. Yeah, the CFO, the CEO,
the higher level ups, they're on a completely different compensation schedule.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
And that's what you know.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Going back to Frankino's point, I think that's when we
talk about management, it's that decision making process is not
aligned with the healthy financial success of a company.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That's a long story short for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And before we get on out of here, I just
wanted to read some of the press release from this
whole situation. So Medmen Enterprises announced that it made assignment
into bankruptcy pursuant to Canada's Bankruptcy and Solvency Acts on
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April twenty fourth, twenty twenty four, and was b Riley
Farvar was appointed as the company's bankruptcy trustee. The company's
chief financial officer of Pendee Versus resigned effective as of
February thirteenth, twenty twenty four, and each of the company's
directors resigned effective immediately prior to the commencement of the
bankruptcy proceeding.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
So what you just read right now is that border
director is getting together and saying exactly what I said, right,
they're saying, basically, listen, guys, you guys mismanage this company
based on your comp schedule. So they're getting rid of
that whole upper level. And by the way, guys, for
you know that word bankruptcy, I think it. People think
that you know the word. It's a big word, but
it's sometimes it's just a financial restructuring. I don't know
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the bankruptcy laws in Canada or how that affects the
US and the US market, et cetera. And Medman, as
far as I know, is still considered a US company.
They just have a lot of debtors and it could
have been again pure speculation. By doing this bankruptcy claim,
they're going to be able to wipe off that half
a billion dollars of debt they have to till Ray
because till Ray is an unsecured lender.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Frankino's nod in his head over there.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
As well as every other vendor, like you said, everybody
that's been supplying Medmen right now, you know they're going
to be left holding the back.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yeah, it's that bullshit re organization, right, They're just reorganizing
and they're using the loss of using the loss wipe
it out.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
You know, we see big, big companies do this all
the time.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Yeah, the best best Buy did it like three or
four different times. The founder of best Buy bought his
stock back at twenty cents, They went up twenty brought
it back up, and so that you saw this, yeh,
you saw this with Trump and his casinos back in
the day. And and yeah, you know, unfortunately, the big
guys know how to play the game. Most of these
bigger guys have already filed bankruptcy corporate bankruptcy several times.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
So it's it's unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
But as a consumer, you know, again not to take
it hijacket to the financial world too much. But as
a consumer, that's why I'm not a big fan of
being just an equity shareholder, because as as Frankino said,
you're left holding the bag, and even as a bond shareholder,
you're you're you're unsecured lender if you will so it.
But the positive is, I do think, and I'm probably
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not the best person to speak on it, but because
I don't own a dispensary or cannabis business, is that
I think it's going to shake out a lot of
the bad practices I think it's going to involve more
cash on delivery or more relationships, you know, where these
these brands can't just walk into the dispensary and get
stuff on consignment and hopefully.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
They're going to get paid.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I yeah, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Receivable it's gonna it's gonna it's going to increase as well.
But but yeah, man, it's uh, it'll be interesting how
this plays out. But when you a nice booke about
this last week, we had no idea.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
It was coming down the pipeline and here we are.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, and to answer your question real quick, you know,
you were like, oh, it's a United States company, so
why is it in Canada.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
So on April twenty third, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
The company's fully owned subsidiary, med Bend Canada, USA and
the California Corporation was placed in receivership in the Los
Angeles Superior Court Santa Monic's.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Division to effectuate an orderly dissolution and liquidation of its
California data assets.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So that's how it's being handled here in California.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It's been the med met story. Tony. Thank you for
shedding your financial light on this.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
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In the game. Today, Tony, we're back. It's Cannabis Talk
one oh one. We got some news you can use,
and I think you have a little article for me
in the audience, So get on into it.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
You know, we try to stay neutral here on the show.
We don't take size politically. But I found some interesting
articles and again just to just to give you guys
some info, keep you guys, you know, informed.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Of what the reality is.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Article came out today just a few hours ago talking
about the Biden campaign saying that Trump took marijuana reform
backwards by rescinding enforcement memo despite the current administration failing
to reinstate it.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So that's the clickbait.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Then when you're actually click into it, right, you hear
that the Vice President Kamala Harris, where she again touted
Joe Biden's mass cannabis pardons coming in stark contrast with
the Trump administration's failures on criminal justin reform, The Democratic
Tickets campaign email said, listing various policy actions. However, that's
where it gets interesting. While the Biden campaign email criticized
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the prior administration's action, it omitted the fact that any
cannabis guideline has yet to be reissued under the current administration,
despite the current agy Merrick Garland saying in June twenty
second that the DOJ would be addressing the issue in
the days ahead. When Garland was asked about this issue
during his Senate Judiciary Committee hearing this March, he said
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that it was fair to expect that the updated marijuana
policy would be very close to what was done in
the Cold memorandum, meaning back to the Trump era. So
reading between the lines here, you know again, we had
Anthony from forty Tons on the show. He was talking
about how Trump had actually pardoned his business partner. The
dude wasn't doing life in prison for a plan. You know,
at the end of the day, nonviolent offense. It was
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a criminal third strike and he was going to vanquish
in prison probably for the rest of his life if
it hadn't been for Trump. So I can personally say
I know somebody firsthand now that was pardoned by the
previous administration. And without getting into the politics of it,
the reality is we talked about it on that show.
It's really easy, mister President, just reclassify it, or better yet,
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just put the guidance out there and just release everybody
that's in there for non violent cannabis offenses.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
It's quite simple.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
I think there was less than thirty or forty pardoned
under this big thing that they're so proud of themselves
on I don't know what you think about that.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
No, I mean if I if I had a fucking
nickel for every time they said they changed this shit,
I'd be, oh, how are you doing so well for myself?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yah?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Fucking hold bag. So you know, it's just, uh, you
got to take this with a grain of salt. Yeah,
I mean, you know, it's just pretty easy to see
that cannabis is, you know, a prime campaigning point for
people to use, and it's profitable for them to campaign
on it, so you know why.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And it is a campaign point here.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
I mean, they always talk about it right six months
before the election, say, yeah, he did the same thing
as well.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I think Obama did the same thing. They always kind
of like figure the voters up.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
They figure that they forged the stones, have a short
term memories and they only talk about it the last
thing or the like.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
But yeah, man, they're all guilty of the same thing.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I just I just wish that it became more of
a priority, more so for for releasing people that are
literally sitting in prison for something that people are making
money off of it. It pisses me off every time
I think about it.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, I mean, you know, there's not.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
A whole lot of discourse to be able to, you know,
talk about this other than like, you know, we see
through it, nothing's really going to change. You have to ask,
like what is motivating them to change it? And obviously
there's not a whole lot because it hasn't gotten changed,
and so that's you know, that's what makes it look
bleak to me is that you know, they have no
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reason to go ahead and fix it right now.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Yeah, what was bleak for me is I think I
mentioned this on a previous show as well, where we
were at a Master Mentor's live event down in Texas
and I learned for the first time the actual class
scheduling of these drugs. And to think that the US
government and the health agencies are saying that that heroin
and oxy and fentanyl is actually safer for you than marijuana,
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and then cigarettes and alcohol aren't even on that scheduling class.
So it's it is quite mind blogging. And then to
find out that it's only been less than five or
call it less than ten years that we've been even
able to use medical using studies, federally funded studies to
study the health effects of marijuana. The fact that that's
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less than ten year olds. There's a lot of it
that really when you go down those rabbit holes, they
are eye opening.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, No, I mean I've as you know, Tony, I
go down my rabbit holes quite a bit, and you know,
it all starts to add up and you kind of
see the picture they've painted with it, and you know,
I don't feel confident, at least in the next five
years that it'll get done, Like I you know, I
just don't think it's that important to him.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I think that when it will get done, it will
take a candidate that really stands on that from his opening,
you know, from the point where he gets elected all
the way then not just focuses on it the last
six months of his cycle.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And that's something that unfortunately all parties have been guilty of,
going all the way back to the Clinton days to
Obama to Bush. Like it just doesn't seem like it's
a priority. There are you know, and it's not those individuals.
It's as you know, big pharma. Another fun fact that
I learned is like pharmaceutical companies represent like seventy five
percent of the advertising done right now on traditional media.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, so really, ye whose insane?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's cooked with the pharma ads like it, like the
whole every Hulu break.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
It's just a list of side effects.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
So the interesting thing of it was, dude, and this
one actually I don't think most people know. Turns out
that when you ask a farmer rep like how much
of your celles do you do? You see an increase
in sales whenever you advertise, for example, Propecia right on
a commercials saying hey, ask your doctor, and they said,
we see zero correlation, Like how often do you go
(22:59):
to the doctor and say, hey, doctor, I saw this
commercial for me me box wan me Right, it turns
out it's actually negative one percent. It's not even a
measurable quantity of difference between advertising that they'll spend for
you to go. So then the question becomes, why are
they spending these tens of hundreds of millions of dollars?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You know?
Speaker 5 (23:17):
The answer turns out because seventy five percent of the
media companies from all Fox, CNN or whatever, it doesn't
matter which brand you're on, but because they're heavily being
able to get influenced by them, right, they just want
the influencing dollars. They look at it as a lobbying
budget to control the media. And that's why the narrative
on the media is like, hey, don't talk about it,
(23:39):
talk about it like this, push this one, push this narrative,
because that's how they control the media. It's not that
they're trying to sell those individual pills or they don't
need you to go ask your doctor for it. That's
just the way they're spending their advertising dollars, which is
really eye opening. And that's when you realize to our point,
and going back to this conversation, it's that there is
a higher agenda and it's typically controlled by big Pharma
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and the cigarette companies and the alcohol companies and all
these other companies that are trying to tell you that
this plan.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
Is so bad for sure, Tony, I have a question.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I got an answer.
Speaker 8 (24:07):
Who do you who? Exactly do you think they're marketing exactly?
Because if you're talking about like daytime television or something,
most people are at work, so you're talking about people
who might be retired.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Or see, that's where you already you're already going down
the wrong thing, right, They don't give a shit who's
watching bro, they don't give a shit what channel it is.
They don't give a shit what Like I said, they've
they've understood. Now we've proven that the point of that
commercial is not for you to go ask your doctor
for that pill. In fact, they've seen zero return on
their dollars for that. The only reason they're putting on
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those commercials, it's because that's how they're funneling billions of
dollars to the TV stations and the media companies. Now,
when they have an agenda that they want you to enforce,
i e. Perhaps getting vaccinated or the next thing that
comes down the line, they control the narrative. They tell
you what's safe and what's saying if they start skewing
the statistics, and and the reason they're able to do
(25:04):
that is because big farm is like, hey, listen, we
gave you a billion dollars last year. They can't just
cut a check. So, in essence, the media companies have
become a lobbying arm of big pharma. Does that make sense?
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
So, that's why you will see those commercials even even
during the Super Bowl. But i'd venture even outside of
the dick pills, like, you're not really going to see that,
and there's numerous studies been done by now it's no
big secret anymore that they have zero desire for you
to go ask your doctor for a specific pill.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
I agree you No, I just wanted to say that
views shared on this show do not reflect the things
on this company. So uh yeah, back to you guys.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
It's my legal counsel at the back.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, I gotta put the you.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Gotta take a break down.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
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Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, I guess we will take a break Tony. Thank
you for shedding again your expertise on the situation. When
we come back, we're gonna talking about brit Griner and
if you remember, Brittany Griner had a little exchange in
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Speaker 2 (28:46):
We're gonna we're gonna talk about Brittany Griner. Okay, some
WNBA slash, some Russian conviction situation going down.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
So for people who don't know, remember that if you remember,
she's a WNBA player. I believe she plays for the
Sparks and she was traveling on a basketball trip and
she gets caught with just a vape.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Garbage vape garbage vape cartridge in her luggage.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, she had she had quite a few cartridges she did.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, and so basically she during the off season of WNBA,
since they don't get paid a whole lot in the WNBA,
they go over to Russia and go and get a
bag real quick because the seasons are different and it's
pretty competitive over there as well. So you know it
is you know, let's just get right into it. You know,
(29:32):
she knew what she was doing. Like obviously she's coming
out to the press and like she's blaming it on
a mental lapse that you know, she got caught with
all of it. You know, you don't go into a
foreign country like Russia and break their fucking laws as
an American, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Like that is especially knowing where we are in the
conversation with Russia right now that they got a heart
on for us.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, Like, okay, maybe back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
maybe it wasn't the biggest.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
As big of a deal as this.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
However, they put the clamps down on her and they
sense her at nine years in prison in one of
the most brutal prisons in Russia, where you know, you
just have a serious lack of human rights and it
was looking very very ill fated for her.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
For you know, the nine year sentence.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
However, we had the wise idea to trade the angel
of Death for her freedom, which you know, ultimately I'm
glad she's free. However, that could have been a lot
better of a negotiation.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Don't you think, man, you were really going to make
this audience think I'm right wing. No, you know, it's
not about politics again, guys, And for me, I really
hope that for those of you who just think that
I swing one way or the other from listening to
my show or this show. To me, it's the facts
and the reality and the things that pisses me off.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Right.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
You can look on the surface and say, this is
an African American lesbian professional NBA basketball player. Nobody should
be in prison for the plan. I don't care what
country you're in right now. To your point, she's over there,
she knows what she's doing. Where it pisses me off,
and the politics of this pisses me off is we
went out, we traded this horrid person for her. I
(31:14):
think we added a couple other people to the pilot,
but we know already about this, and we don't negotiate
very well. Whoever's in charge of negotiating, and it's not Biden,
but whoever's negotiating is but on his behalf absolutely is
a Horde negotiator. We saw what happened and again to
stand with us just pulling out there last second, so
we already know we're not making decisions right. But here's
(31:34):
the thing that pisses me off Google right now. How
many people are in stuck in Russia for the same thing.
There's a principle of a school sixty seven year old man,
if I'm not mistaken, who's still sitting in Jill who
was there three years before this gal was for the
same exact defense. He got caught with the vappin. He
has chronic back pain and he uses it for his
back pain, and he got caught there for the same reason.
(31:55):
He was a bilingual instructor out there. They arrest him
up and he still has seven years. We didn't include
him and the negotiations. We didn't say, hey, give us,
give us back all the people that are there for
the same offense that were not criminals, don't have a
criminal history. All we focused on was what would get
this gentleman or whoever is trying to, you know, get
credit for it. And that's the part that pisses me off.
(32:15):
Should she be there, No, but if we're going to go,
she had on her behalf. And now what pisses me
off about her she has failed to mention any one
of these other people. Since she's been out, she's now
more worried about covering her ass instead of raising awareness
to that cause. So that's why you know, I'm not
I'm not a fan of hers because of that. I
take it personally that she's left fellow comrades, you know,
(32:37):
there to vanquish, and you know she's an American, they're Americans.
They're there for the same offense. Why is she any
better than anybody else other than the fact that it's
going to get a few more press articles for the
politicians involved.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
In His name is Mark Vogel? By the way, thank
you Mark Vogel.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Mark Vogel, there's there's several of us free Mark Vogel's.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Why Why isn't she wearing that T shirt on every interview?
Why is it? Why is it stration focusing on him? Next?
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Why do we selectively not just prosecute, but then selectively
pick people that we want to, you know, put on
a pedestal and make a counter example of and then
let all these other brothers and sisters vanquish that. That
shit just pisses me off. And if I ever got
a chance to meet her or interview or I would
ask her that point, Blake, And I don't think she
has an answer to that other than she just doesn't
(33:22):
want to get caught up in the politics of it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, I mean, and ultimately, you know, I get it.
I get where she's coming from.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Like and it was a traumatizing experience.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
However, with something, was it Mark Vogel.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
He said, yeah, Mark Vogel, Let's let's.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Take this operating to shine some attention to work.
Speaker 8 (33:40):
Fogel focal, Mr C. Fogel. Fogel. So, he's a sixty
one year old who got arrested for cannabis in Russia
and he's still there. They gave him fourteen years.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
You see that man.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
He was arrested in twenty August twenty twenty one by
Russian authorities for trying to enter Russia with seventeen grams
of medical marijuana.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
And the last article, if you push it in Google News,
it's December twenty twenty three. Nobody's talking about it, nobody's
put that on a T shirt, nobody's protesting in the streets.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
How is she any different than he is? You know
what I mean? Why because she's a basketball player?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Come on, man, So let me there's a timeline of
you know, once he got imprisoned and after the fact.
So in August twenty twenty one, Fogel was entering Russia
through customs at cher Matievo Airport, Sorry for butchering that
went around. Half an ounce of medical marijuana was found
(34:38):
in his luggage. The substance has been prescribed to him
in the United States to treat chronic paint. In June
twenty twenty two, Fogel was convicted of drug trafficking and
sentenced to fourteen years in prison. In October twenty twenty two,
he was transferred from a detention center in Moscow to
a penal colony where he will serve the remainder of
his sentence. A bipartisan group of United States senators have
(35:00):
lobbied for the State Department to designate Fogel as a
wrongfully detained In twenty twenty two, a petition was initiated
on change dot org calling for Fogel's freedom and urging
the Biden administration to designate him as wrongfully detained. And
that is, you know, the current timeline. So there's not
much updated news.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
April seventeen of this year. You know, you got his
poor mom sitting here begging Biden for us release, saying, hey,
you know, don't forget about him.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
He's still there too.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
But but yeah, you know, these are exactly parallel cases
he had.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
He had way more bodily.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
He's had three back surgeries, two knee, one hip replacement,
and one rotary cup surgery. He literally was using cannabis for.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Pain, yeah, to get at the end of the day.
And he was out in Moscow.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
This was his last year that he was going to
teach out there, and he was going to come back
home and retire. He's a graduate of Penn State. So
just a you know, on the surface and not a
bad dude. Everything was no different than a WNBA player.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Man.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
You know, Russian prisons or no joke either. They're like
they call them penal colonies, right yeah, and they're like
worse than the Soviet era gulags. And I'm sure you
all you cod players at home with the log like
you don't want to be there. And they're just known
for like intensive labor, all kinds of crazy stuff. Some
(36:18):
just just the most terrible things that you could have.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Their labor camps, That's what I said. It's forced labor
camps and uh. And you know, in addition to that,
what's interesting is they use a lot of those. They
give them basically ninety nine percent of their sentence waived
if they go fight on the front lines, and then
they just go stick them. It's not funny, but you
know in their war with Ukraine and then they just
(36:41):
those are the.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
First ones that die.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
They almost sacrifice these dudes and and give them these
shitty deals to go in the front lines. But to
your point, Daniel, yeah, they are definitely hell holes.
Speaker 8 (36:51):
Now do you agree that places like this should I
think I personally agree that places like that should probably exist,
But not for cannabis. Definitely, not just because I got
an eighth the butt On vacation, I'm about to go
to Moscow and party and drink like vodka and fucking
smoke joints and shit.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
You know, I think to Connor's point, man, I think
you got to, you know, be aware. Yeah, it's a balance,
and I think a celebrity, you know, there's no excuse
for celebrity, especially she knows the rules they man. I've
you know, I've had pro athletes as clients before they
get training on which states they are going into, which
countries they're going to, what the laws are, what they
should do to prepare for that. So she this wasn't
(37:28):
news to her. This wasn't something that got sprung on her.
As you guys know, I've shared it a few times.
I got stuck in Texas with the exact same thing
of eight pen They consider that a felony in Texas.
Did it suck, Yes? Did I bitch about it? Yeah,
But at the end of the day, I knew the rules.
You know, I broke the rules. I had to face
the consequences. And I don't think I should be treated
any different because I have a little bit more of
(37:49):
a voice, if you will, than any other other kids
that I met in there. So we all abide by
the same rules. And now, do I think she was
singled out? Absolutely? Do I think that everybody's luggage would
have been scoured as detailed as hers? Work, Probably not
but again, we're in a geopolitical war as America. We
go out, we start a lot of shit, and we
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get a lot of other countries pissed off at us.
And and I think the lesson from this for the
listeners is be really aware of which states, which countries
where you're traveling to. You know, you go to Indonesia,
you go to Thailand, you go to a lot of
these places. Indonesia specifically. Man, you know, you get cent
way to prison Singapore. I think it's a life sentence
for a joint. I mean, there are some countries out
(38:31):
there that are really really out there, and yeah, it sucks.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Man.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
We can't go out and fix the whole world. But
if we're traveling, you got to know the rules and
you've got to be prepared.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, Like, you can't expect a culture to conform to
the views of your own, you know what I'm saying,
Like whether it's right or wrong. You know, I can't
go into you know, Russia is literally the perfect example
to like, you know, everyone knows their view on cannabis.
Are I'm sure you know the American passport lights up
(39:02):
like a Christmas tree in their system. Britney Griner's a
WNBA player with celebrity status, So like you just have
to consider all these factors that you yourself are going
into when you go and travel and weigh it accordingly.
Like there's no right answer wrong answer to like bring
stuff or not bring stuff, but like you know, you
got to be careful.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
We look at them as they're crazy, and they're looking
at us so like they're like, well, you let child
molesters out after two years, you know, you give them
therapy and all this shit, whereas in other countries that's
a life sentence. So you know, like to your point,
it's a cultural thing, and it's if that's the rules
that they got, it's your choice when you go there
how you want to handle it, and the consequences are
the consequences. But definitely the politics involved on our side,
(39:41):
it's nauseating when you look at our you know, we're
prioritizing professional basketball players over instructors and people that are
actually teaching children in schools. And you know, she came back,
she got to play basketball. That dude still still stuck
up there most likely is going to die, according to
his mom. So it's it's an to think about it.
I think I think, you know, hard questions should be
(40:03):
asked by the politicians. They're going to answer around these
kind of questions. But there's a reality to the policies
that we make and the policies that.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
We enforce in our selective prosecution on them.
Speaker 8 (40:12):
How do you gentlemen feel about the Thailand situation being
the first country in Asia to fully decriminalize cannabis in
twenty twenty two, but now they're actually banning recreational cannabis
by twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, they're going through an election right now, and I
think the current administration wants to go both wreck and medicinal,
and then the challenging administration in the election wants it
to be just medicinal, not recreational. So you know, we
got to wait until their election goes down. I don't
know an exact date on when that is happening. However,
(40:49):
either way, Thailand's pushing with the cannabis game. You know,
you just keep hearing more and more come out of there,
like a lot of news stories. You know, we got,
we got some shit pushing out there, you know, the
whole the whole night.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
I think I echo your thoughts completely. I think it's
always goes back to politics. Every time you see any
kind of dramatic change in legislation where they.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Go from completely illegal to fully legal.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
To now swinging the pendulum so dramatically again so fast.
It's one hundred percent politically connected. I think the geo
positioning of Thailand where it is in relation to Indonesia,
some of these other predominantly Muslim countries or strict countries
like Singapore and certain parts of Asia, I think it's
all correlated. I do think just like in this country,
(41:31):
money dictates politics and politics dictate the laws. And it
would not surprise me if to Connor's point, you know
the new by no means do I know enough about
their politics, But it would surprise me if the new
potential president or whatever they're called over their prime minister
is is aligned with a certain you know, company or
(41:52):
something that needs it to be a certain way as opposed.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
To the other.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, you know, there's there's always some backscratching going on.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
You know, like I feel like they are where we
were call it twenty years ago, where certain states were
going to do it, certain states weren't, and they're kind
of trying to jockey in position and I you know,
from what we know, we have some friends out in
Thailand and we've been launching the Cannabis Stock magazine out
in Thailand, but it's it was kind of a free
for all there really fast. And I think a lot
of operators here were either even starting to launch the
(42:21):
brands out there. So it'll be interesting to see what
happens out there. Man, if I'm not mistaken, that part
of the world, that is probably the most aggressive legalization
that we saw.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Correct, would you say.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Uh, it was?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
It ramped up pretty quickly. I can't say for certain,
but I'd say so given the timeframe, Like it took
us a pretty damn long time to get where we are.
And like I think about it also, like imagine if you.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Know, we were.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
You know, not fifty states, and we were you know,
a smaller country, like it could be different, you know
what I'm saying, Like I think it all is, there's
a combination of factors and luck of the draws is
part of it. Where you know, they have a small
enough population to where it works. For example, in Denmark
a form of communism and socialism not communism socialism, it
(43:14):
works like you know, the population is small enough to be.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
It's all checks and balance.
Speaker 5 (43:20):
It works in its cultural there for them, they accept it,
you know that. I think they're like a sixty eight
percent effective tax rate. So yes, by all means, Denmark
is a perfect textbook example of socialism. When you do
look at their healthcare system, however, you do kind of
see the adverse effects of socialism. There is still a
two tiered medical system there. That's what people don't understand about.
(43:41):
For your healthcare is, yes, it's free until you have
to wait six months.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
And then you pay the premium until paige and that.
Speaker 5 (43:47):
For a concierge doctor, because that's where they're going to
go make their money.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
And that's how the NHS was when I was over
in the United Kingdom. Like you go into your general
practitioner and then you go and get checked out by them,
and then they refer you and they're like, oh, you
have to wait five six weeks and then you can
go get checked out and it's like, damn, I thought
I had meningitis.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Just now, like what the fuck am I supposed to do?
That's not six weeks.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
So then then you go to the urgent care and
then they just prescribe you tail and all and they're
like fuck off. So you know, definitely some pros and
cons to it. Like I understand free healthcare and like
the NHS has at certain points been really good for
my understanding where it like it hasn't been a dysfunctional system,
(44:30):
and I think that's due to each administration. And you know,
there's been a lot going down over the United Kingdom
specifically in the past six years with Brexit, people resigning
from PM. Borist Johnson's crazy.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
And when you were playing pro soccer, did you ever
play in Asia or was it predominantly in Europe?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Predominantly in Europe. I think the craziest place I went
to was Latvia. I played in Latvia and I got
to see the capital of Riga, and that was like
being in a time capsule, felt like I was in
like nineteen sixty so Union. Yeah, that's like the train
cars were like gray bubbles. It looked like a like Nuketown,
like like train car and they're all like beat up.
(45:10):
It's seriously, they haven't updated it since then. And like
right by our hotel there there was like probably one
hundred and fifty foot tall communist you know, statue that
was commemorating the union, and then they took it down
like a few years ago over there. But Latvia is
probably the craziest place. Some of the boys went to
Slovenia and played.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Yeah, well, Connor.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Before we dial off, I do want to give my
own disclaimer because Daniel kind of got me thinking. And
I know I've been doing a lot of shows here now,
and I feel like sometimes we take these political angles,
but I think I want to make sure that everybody
does understand at home, I'm I'm down the middle. I
don't have one party affiliation or the other. For me, man,
I just want people to ask questions. I feel like
we've been divided as a country. I think they've kind
(45:54):
of put us into this corner, in that corner west, east, north, south,
whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
But we've just.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Become so polarized, so opposite. I think most ninety percent
of Americans kind of can agree on common sense shit
everything from guns to this to that. But when you
when you really see us pitted across each other, and
then I get frustrated because I got my friends on
the far right, I got my friends on the far left,
and they're all just taking these positions and just refusing
to budge. And my whole thing about bringing up political
(46:21):
stuff is I try to find information that most people
don't know about this gentleman, you know, who's a teacher
out there, like most people. They didn't talk about that
on the news. They were just so focused on Britney,
Britney Brittany and then dividing it and then try to make
it racial and try to make it about her sexual orientation. Yeah,
and it's like, no, you know, you can speak out
against the injustices of other people there without you being racist.
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You can, you know, want to elevate these other people
without making it seem it's about one thing or the other.
And that's what I hope people get, at least from
my show, from our shows or when you do have
me on is. I think people should just ask more
questions and try to try to look at it from
the other side, you know, regardless of what position you
have on what subject or what side. You know, if
more people could put themselves into the other person's shoes
(47:04):
and actually look at is why is that person taking
that position, maybe we can all come a little bit
closer down the metal.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, man, it's just a discourse.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
You know, you know, there's no no harm, no foul
with what's going down.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Like obviously you don't have to agree with everything, but
like you.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Said, we have strayed away far from the time where
you know, you could lob up any statement and you
know people could would actually think about it, like, no,
what I say is not going to kill you. It is,
you know, not going to physically hurt you.
Speaker 8 (47:35):
Just yeah, digest it.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
I just think about it, you know, just just a
little bit down the rabbit holes.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
You know, they tell you that, you know, you should
always question the government. Just you know, like Tony said,
ask some questions. There's nothing wrong with it, Tony. Before
we get on out of here. Anything you like to say,
like the plug.
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Hello, and welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one, the
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back live on the show, and today it's my turn
to host Tony. Our last show, Tony was hosting me
we got into a financial style, but today we're gonna
take it back to cannabis.
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Speaker 4 (01:00):
Exits ready stage is the man.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, he's very knowledgeable. Check him out. This dude knows
everyone as.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Well he does.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
He sure does, Tony. We're gonna be talking about some
juicy cannabis stories. Medmen first and foremost massive player in
the industry, and they just filed for bankruptcy. Before we
get into that, I first want to ask you a
couple of questions.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Tony.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's been about a year since you joined cannabis talk.
Tell me how you're feeling. You know, you run the
you run a financial Friday show in front of the camera,
a whole bunch You're going to a whole bunch of events.
You're in the cannabis industry. Now, what's your thoughts and
feelings on, you know, the last year.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Well, I gotta say I'm a little disappointed at your
introduction to me, Connor. I expect a little bit more hype.
You're like, yeah, this is just Tony woo poo poop
this and that bro like I was expecting, like you know,
MMA style, and then this corner camp is the cider
investor boom boop boop, and you just fucking low key candle.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I can't spoil the ending there's a lot.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Of Tony's out there, bro introduce me, tell the people
who I am.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I can't spoil the ending, however, let me let's run
it back for the sake of Tony. Here, I have
next to me, Yes, Tony Kasai, the insider investor of
Financial Friday here at C two one to one. He
has vast financial experience across Wall Street, whole different different
pools of finances. You can ask him pretty much any
question and he probably has a wise answer for you. Tony,
(02:33):
thank you for joining the show.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Well, thank you, Connor, I appreciate that organ it no, man,
I'm just teasing you. Yeah, But you know, it's been
a it's been definitely an interesting ride. You know, if
I look back on my life twenty four to thirty
six months ago, I had no idea'd be in the
cannabis industry or cannabis space, if you will, or anything
related to cannabis outside of being a consumer. So it
(02:55):
is definitely been eye opening. It's just been, you know,
very every day is a new adventure. Every day has
just been an exciting roller coaster upstowns. But that's the
way it is in this industry, that that's what I've realized,
and you know, we don't have as much of the pitfalls.
I think that the that the dispensary owners, the growers,
the brands do you know, dealing with the different legislation, taxations,
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competition and just you know, there's a lot of good
operators in the industry. Unfortunately, there's some bad ones. They're
getting weeded out, so I see, you know, we have
some great, amazing brands that I've gotten to know over
the years. Anthony from forty Tons was sharing with me
some of their stories about their brand.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
So it's been interesting seeing this ride up and.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Down, and you know, it's been an honor to be
a part of the show, and it's kind of cool
to kind of be on the show on this side
of the this side of the table, if you will,
as a as a guest. In fact, I was just
looking on socials. I think it was about three or
four years ago this month that I met Blu for
the first time, or first show that I did on
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their show.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Got It, Got It four years ago, so you've you've
been a friend of the show for a while. I
can say that the cannabis industry every day is different.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You know, there's ups and downs, you know, positive negatives,
everything in between, and that's you know, I think that
encapsulates life. Not to get too deep, but you know
you'd rather have that than nothing at all.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
So you know, and you've gone through a lot of
changes too. You know when I remember coming here first,
and you're almost kind of graduating from being a rookie
and from an intern to paid position to the engineer
and not really having the staff. I mean, the show
does depend and rely upon you. So that's that's a
really rapid rise that you've had in the industrate here
at iHeartRadio's Cannabis Talk one of one as well.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Definitely in a shout out to everyone here. You know,
they've given me a great platform to be able to
learn and you know, make mistakes and learn from those
mistakes and you know, be able to grow and find
what position I like the most here and you know,
the sound engineer position kind of you know I filled
into it, but I genuinely do like it. So I
(05:01):
got Chris Frankino over here about a chat shit to
me real quick, that's you gotta say.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I was like, is that a cop out for some
upcoming mistakes.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
You're brought to make it uh past mistakes. You know,
I've had some blunders. I've had some blunders.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Think about Connors.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
He gets blamed for shit that has nothing wrong with him,
has nothing to do with them, and he'll just get
shipped and then and then he'll just kind of put
his head down and take it.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Charge it to the game. Baby.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
But we're here on the Cannabis Talk one on one
flagship show, so let's talk about some cannabis real quick.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Let's do so.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The quick headline was that Medmen files for bankruptcy five
years after their three billion dollar valuation and left with
a hefty debt of four hundred and nineteen million in liabilities.
Tony just face value with the article title as a
financial man, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Gosh, man, There's so many different directions to go on that,
but you know, it was it was almost prophetic that
you and I were doing my show last week. I
don't think that show was aired yet, and I think
the show will air after that. But the show that
you and I shot was less than a week old,
and we were talking about mid Men, and I was
sharing with you how Till Ray had invested. If I'm
(06:17):
not mistaken about a half a billion dollars of these
convertible notes that med Men had and again not legal advice,
not looking at their financials, it looks like definitely till
Ray's gonna take a bath on a half a billion
dollars because when you loan money on secured or unsecured
debt like that, or well.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
When you know though real quick, Tony, you know, and
we see this happened with a lot of brands, not
just big ones like the till Rays and Medmen's. You know,
there's a lot of bad actors out there that run
their bills up with the vendors and then just say,
oh it's not working. I'm gonna file a bankruptcy. Four
hundred and how many millions of dollars?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Connor again four hundred and nineteen.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
It said, that's a lot of brands not going to
get paid right now that I've been trying to get paid,
And that seems to be a very common theme stream.
It's just unfortunate that it's the big guys that you
see that are taking the hitting the news. But I mean,
we we've all seen We've had guests in here on
the show before that were dispensary owners in the past
that we're no longer here today either. Yeah, it seems
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to be a pretty common theme, you know, especially as
we look at statistics. Eighty five percent of businesses cannabis
businesses were forced to close their doors in twenty twenty three,
eighty five percent from California alone.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And so yeah, that's California, right, Frank.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, what do you think is like, you know,
the the lead of of course of events as to
why everyone's you know, just defaulting to bankruptcy and not
wanting to pay the vendors.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
While it's poor management for sure, one of them, right,
but it's also that it was the inflated false hope
that they had of security thinking that during twenty twenty
we had the pandemic, okay, which fed into twenty twenty
one some parts of twenty twenty two where everybody was
still getting that stimulus money. Yes, Okay, twenty twenty we
had record breaking sales and cannabis are across the board
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because everybody was out home smoking weed.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It's called deemed essential as well.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Yeah, and then as you got further into people going
back to work life coming back, people had to start
going back to work and had to start smoking weed
all day. So, I mean, I think that a lot
of the false securities that people had in twenty twenty
thinking that this big inflation that happened for us by
the cannabis industry, I mean it was hemorrhaging. I mean,
everybody was selling out. It was just it was it
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was a great time if you were in the cannabis industry.
But you saw a lot of brands and ones that
I personally have been dealing with for several years who
went expanded their brand, spent a ton of money on
getting a bigger facility, hiring more people. And then when
the market crashed, when it went back down to normal
prices and the markets all got flooded again, and now
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everyone's stuck with pounds that they can't get rid of.
And so we seen people that I think that they
thought that was something that was like, oh my gosh,
I got the scale into this industry or skill my
business up to be able to accommodate what's happening, and
then it didn't work out right because the sales didn't
stay the same as again people went back to work.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah, and it's a little bit more complex.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Everything he's saying is accurate, but I think on a
case by case basis right you look at in my opinion,
there's three reasons you're seeing that specifically with you know,
this insane stat that he's talking about eighty five percent
of the cannabis related businesses going out of business in California.
I think the first reason is is something that's kind
of obvious to anybody that's really trying to do the
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business by the books, which is the taxation and the
disparity between the black market and the gray market and
the white market. You know, black market being the illegal market,
gray market being on the fence where some brands are
still selling to both sides. And then you got the clean,
squeaky clean guys that are trying to do everything by
the book because they're trying to really expand nationally. So
when you look at the disparity between buying an ounce
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at a dispensary for a price point that's thirty to
forty percent higher than you could from the same supp
flyer possibly glutting the market with inventory, that's going to
be one of the main reasons. The second reason that
I think you're seeing these big you know, what Frankino
was talking about was your smaller maybe regional operators call
it less than twenty million dollars type businesses.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Then you get these big guys, right, the Hunt.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
The Medmen's, the till Ray is these huge half a
billion dollar you know, and you're like, how the hell
do you lose money at that level? And I think
that comes down to functionality of And this lesson can
be applied to any industry.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
But when you look at a corporation.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Or a massive conglomerate like that, you got to look
at what is the driving force behind the decision makers
to go make certain types of moves.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
And I'll give you an example.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
We were talking about till Ray and then putting in
a half a billion dollars into Medmen. They also had
dumped some money in into another venture that had lost
significant amounts of money. So is it that there are
bad decision makers?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Possibly?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Or sometimes for example Medmen right when they expanded into
New York and everybody that understood that New York was
not the right market to be When you have sixty
thousand or forty thousand illegal to spend series and less
than one hundred legal, there's obviously huge disparity there. Then
when we have local politicians not playing the game, not
shutting down the illegal stores, and in fact there's a
proliferation of them on every corner. Used to be able
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to go to New York and all you'd smell was
the bums and the pizza, And now every damn corner
you go down there's a dispensary and it smells like
we've but ninety nine percent of those dispensaries are not
life ensed.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
That's what we're talking about the last.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
So then you say, well, why would medmen, you know,
go start opening stores on the equivalent of Fifth Avenue
and Rodeo Drive and spend millions of dollars in just
you know, real estate. And for them it was market share, right,
So when you look at the upper levels of management,
their bonuses, their compensation structure, their stocks are tightly tied
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into metrics that have nothing to do with the success
of a company. It could have been that, hey, if
we hit one hundred retail stores, the CEO gets and
I'm guessing here right, yeah, exactly. And you see this
across every industry. When you're like, how do they get mismanaged,
it's simply because of that management's vision is not aligned
with the products, the product and the success, the actual
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financial success of the company. Yeah, the CFO, the CEO,
the higher level ups, they're on a completely different compensation schedule.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
And that's what you know.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Going back to Frankino's point, I think that's when we
talk about management, it's that decision making process is not
aligned with the healthy financial success of a company.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
That's a long story short for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And before we get on out of here, I just
wanted to read some of the press release from this
whole situation. So Medmen Enterprises announced that it made assignment
into bankruptcy pursuant to Canada's Bankruptcy and Solvency Acts on
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April twenty fourth, twenty twenty four, and was b Riley
Farvar was appointed as the company's bankruptcy trustee. The company's
chief financial officer of Pendee Versus resigned effective as of
February thirteenth, twenty twenty four, and each of the company's
directors resigned effective immediately prior to the commencement of the
bankruptcy proceeding.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
So what you just read right now is that border
director is getting together and saying exactly what I said, right,
they're saying, basically, listen, guys, you guys mismanage this company
based on your comp schedule. So they're getting rid of
that whole upper level. And by the way, guys, for
you know that word bankruptcy, I think it. People think
that you know the word. It's a big word, but
it's sometimes it's just a financial restructuring. I don't know
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the bankruptcy laws in Canada or how that affects the
US and the US market, et cetera. And Medman, as
far as I know, is still considered a US company.
They just have a lot of debtors and it could
have been again pure speculation. By doing this bankruptcy claim,
they're going to be able to wipe off that half
a billion dollars of debt they have to till Ray
because till Ray is an unsecured lender.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Frankino's nod in his head over there.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
As well as every other vendor, like you said, everybody
that's been supplying Medmen right now, you know they're going
to be left holding the back.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yeah, it's that bullshit re organization, right, They're just reorganizing
and they're using the loss of using the loss wipe
it out.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
You know, we see big, big companies do this all
the time.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Yeah, the best best Buy did it like three or
four different times. The founder of best Buy bought his
stock back at twenty cents, They went up twenty brought
it back up, and so that you saw this, yeh,
you saw this with Trump and his casinos back in
the day. And and yeah, you know, unfortunately, the big
guys know how to play the game. Most of these
bigger guys have already filed bankruptcy corporate bankruptcy several times.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
So it's it's unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
But as a consumer, you know, again not to take
it hijacket to the financial world too much. But as
a consumer, that's why I'm not a big fan of
being just an equity shareholder, because as as Frankino said,
you're left holding the bag, and even as a bond shareholder,
you're you're you're unsecured lender if you will so it.
But the positive is, I do think, and I'm probably
(14:51):
not the best person to speak on it, but because
I don't own a dispensary or cannabis business, is that
I think it's going to shake out a lot of
the bad practices I think it's going to involve more
cash on delivery or more relationships, you know, where these
these brands can't just walk into the dispensary and get
stuff on consignment and hopefully.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
They're going to get paid.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I yeah, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Receivable it's gonna it's gonna it's going to increase as well.
But but yeah, man, it's uh, it'll be interesting how
this plays out. But when you a nice booke about
this last week, we had no idea.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
It was coming down the pipeline and here we are.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, and to answer your question real quick, you know,
you were like, oh, it's a United States company, so
why is it in Canada.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
So on April twenty third, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
The company's fully owned subsidiary, med Bend Canada, USA and
the California Corporation was placed in receivership in the Los
Angeles Superior Court Santa Monic's.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Division to effectuate an orderly dissolution and liquidation of its
California data assets.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
So that's how it's being handled here in California.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It's been the med met story. Tony. Thank you for
shedding your financial light on this.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
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In the game. Today, Tony, we're back. It's Cannabis Talk
one oh one. We got some news you can use,
and I think you have a little article for me
in the audience, So get on into it.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
You know, we try to stay neutral here on the show.
We don't take size politically. But I found some interesting
articles and again just to just to give you guys
some info, keep you guys, you know, informed.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Of what the reality is.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Article came out today just a few hours ago talking
about the Biden campaign saying that Trump took marijuana reform
backwards by rescinding enforcement memo despite the current administration failing
to reinstate it.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
So that's the clickbait.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Then when you're actually click into it, right, you hear
that the Vice President Kamala Harris, where she again touted
Joe Biden's mass cannabis pardons coming in stark contrast with
the Trump administration's failures on criminal justin reform, The Democratic
Tickets campaign email said, listing various policy actions. However, that's
where it gets interesting. While the Biden campaign email criticized
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the prior administration's action, it omitted the fact that any
cannabis guideline has yet to be reissued under the current administration,
despite the current agy Merrick Garland saying in June twenty
second that the DOJ would be addressing the issue in
the days ahead. When Garland was asked about this issue
during his Senate Judiciary Committee hearing this March, he said
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that it was fair to expect that the updated marijuana
policy would be very close to what was done in
the Cold memorandum, meaning back to the Trump era. So
reading between the lines here, you know again, we had
Anthony from forty Tons on the show. He was talking
about how Trump had actually pardoned his business partner. The
dude wasn't doing life in prison for a plan. You know,
at the end of the day, nonviolent offense. It was
(18:41):
a criminal third strike and he was going to vanquish
in prison probably for the rest of his life if
it hadn't been for Trump. So I can personally say
I know somebody firsthand now that was pardoned by the
previous administration. And without getting into the politics of it,
the reality is we talked about it on that show.
It's really easy, mister President, just reclassify it, or better yet,
(19:02):
just put the guidance out there and just release everybody
that's in there for non violent cannabis offenses.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
It's quite simple.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
I think there was less than thirty or forty pardoned
under this big thing that they're so proud of themselves
on I don't know what you think about that.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
No, I mean if I if I had a fucking
nickel for every time they said they changed this shit,
I'd be, oh, how are you doing so well for myself?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yah?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Fucking hold bag. So you know, it's just, uh, you
got to take this with a grain of salt. Yeah,
I mean, you know, it's just pretty easy to see
that cannabis is, you know, a prime campaigning point for
people to use, and it's profitable for them to campaign
on it, so you know why.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And it is a campaign point here.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
I mean, they always talk about it right six months
before the election, say, yeah, he did the same thing
as well.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I think Obama did the same thing. They always kind
of like figure the voters up.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
They figure that they forged the stones, have a short
term memories and they only talk about it the last
thing or the like.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
But yeah, man, they're all guilty of the same thing.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I just I just wish that it became more of
a priority, more so for for releasing people that are
literally sitting in prison for something that people are making
money off of it. It pisses me off every time
I think about it.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, I mean, you know, there's not.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
A whole lot of discourse to be able to, you know,
talk about this other than like, you know, we see
through it, nothing's really going to change. You have to ask,
like what is motivating them to change it? And obviously
there's not a whole lot because it hasn't gotten changed,
and so that's you know, that's what makes it look
bleak to me is that you know, they have no
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reason to go ahead and fix it right now.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Yeah, what was bleak for me is I think I
mentioned this on a previous show as well, where we
were at a Master Mentor's live event down in Texas
and I learned for the first time the actual class
scheduling of these drugs. And to think that the US
government and the health agencies are saying that that heroin
and oxy and fentanyl is actually safer for you than marijuana,
(21:05):
and then cigarettes and alcohol aren't even on that scheduling class.
So it's it is quite mind blogging. And then to
find out that it's only been less than five or
call it less than ten years that we've been even
able to use medical using studies, federally funded studies to
study the health effects of marijuana. The fact that that's
(21:25):
less than ten year olds. There's a lot of it
that really when you go down those rabbit holes, they
are eye opening.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, No, I mean I've as you know, Tony, I
go down my rabbit holes quite a bit, and you know,
it all starts to add up and you kind of
see the picture they've painted with it, and you know,
I don't feel confident, at least in the next five
years that it'll get done, Like I you know, I
just don't think it's that important to him.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I think that when it will get done, it will
take a candidate that really stands on that from his opening,
you know, from the point where he gets elected all
the way then not just focuses on it the last
six months of his cycle.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
And that's something that unfortunately all parties have been guilty of,
going all the way back to the Clinton days to
Obama to Bush. Like it just doesn't seem like it's
a priority. There are you know, and it's not those individuals.
It's as you know, big pharma. Another fun fact that
I learned is like pharmaceutical companies represent like seventy five
percent of the advertising done right now on traditional media.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, so really, ye whose insane?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's cooked with the pharma ads like it, like the
whole every Hulu break.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
It's just a list of side effects.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
So the interesting thing of it was, dude, and this
one actually I don't think most people know. Turns out
that when you ask a farmer rep like how much
of your celles do you do? You see an increase
in sales whenever you advertise, for example, Propecia right on
a commercials saying hey, ask your doctor, and they said,
we see zero correlation, Like how often do you go
(22:59):
to the doctor and say, hey, doctor, I saw this
commercial for me me box wan me Right, it turns
out it's actually negative one percent. It's not even a
measurable quantity of difference between advertising that they'll spend for
you to go. So then the question becomes, why are
they spending these tens of hundreds of millions of dollars?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You know?
Speaker 5 (23:17):
The answer turns out because seventy five percent of the
media companies from all Fox, CNN or whatever, it doesn't
matter which brand you're on, but because they're heavily being
able to get influenced by them, right, they just want
the influencing dollars. They look at it as a lobbying
budget to control the media. And that's why the narrative
on the media is like, hey, don't talk about it,
(23:39):
talk about it like this, push this one, push this narrative,
because that's how they control the media. It's not that
they're trying to sell those individual pills or they don't
need you to go ask your doctor for it. That's
just the way they're spending their advertising dollars, which is
really eye opening. And that's when you realize to our point,
and going back to this conversation, it's that there is
a higher agenda and it's typically controlled by big Pharma
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and the cigarette companies and the alcohol companies and all
these other companies that are trying to tell you that
this plan.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
Is so bad for sure, Tony, I have a question.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I got an answer.
Speaker 8 (24:07):
Who do you who? Exactly do you think they're marketing exactly?
Because if you're talking about like daytime television or something,
most people are at work, so you're talking about people
who might be retired.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Or see, that's where you already you're already going down
the wrong thing, right, They don't give a shit who's
watching bro, they don't give a shit what channel it is.
They don't give a shit what Like I said, they've
they've understood. Now we've proven that the point of that
commercial is not for you to go ask your doctor
for that pill. In fact, they've seen zero return on
their dollars for that. The only reason they're putting on
(24:43):
those commercials, it's because that's how they're funneling billions of
dollars to the TV stations and the media companies. Now,
when they have an agenda that they want you to enforce,
i e. Perhaps getting vaccinated or the next thing that
comes down the line, they control the narrative. They tell
you what's safe and what's saying if they start skewing
the statistics, and and the reason they're able to do
(25:04):
that is because big farm is like, hey, listen, we
gave you a billion dollars last year. They can't just
cut a check. So, in essence, the media companies have
become a lobbying arm of big pharma. Does that make sense?
Speaker 8 (25:14):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (25:15):
So, that's why you will see those commercials even even
during the Super Bowl. But i'd venture even outside of
the dick pills, like, you're not really going to see that,
and there's numerous studies been done by now it's no
big secret anymore that they have zero desire for you
to go ask your doctor for a specific pill.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
I agree you No, I just wanted to say that
views shared on this show do not reflect the things
on this company. So uh yeah, back to you guys.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
It's my legal counsel at the back.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, I gotta put the you.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Gotta take a break down.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
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Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, I guess we will take a break Tony. Thank
you for shedding again your expertise on the situation. When
we come back, we're gonna talking about brit Griner and
if you remember, Brittany Griner had a little exchange in
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Speaker 2 (28:46):
We're gonna we're gonna talk about Brittany Griner. Okay, some
WNBA slash, some Russian conviction situation going down.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
So for people who don't know, remember that if you remember,
she's a WNBA player. I believe she plays for the
Sparks and she was traveling on a basketball trip and
she gets caught with just a vape.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Garbage vape garbage vape cartridge in her luggage.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, she had she had quite a few cartridges she did.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, and so basically she during the off season of WNBA,
since they don't get paid a whole lot in the WNBA,
they go over to Russia and go and get a
bag real quick because the seasons are different and it's
pretty competitive over there as well. So you know it
is you know, let's just get right into it. You know,
(29:32):
she knew what she was doing. Like obviously she's coming
out to the press and like she's blaming it on
a mental lapse that you know, she got caught with
all of it. You know, you don't go into a
foreign country like Russia and break their fucking laws as
an American, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Like that is especially knowing where we are in the
conversation with Russia right now that they got a heart
on for us.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, Like, okay, maybe back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
maybe it wasn't the biggest.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
As big of a deal as this.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
However, they put the clamps down on her and they
sense her at nine years in prison in one of
the most brutal prisons in Russia, where you know, you
just have a serious lack of human rights and it
was looking very very ill fated for her.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
For you know, the nine year sentence.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
However, we had the wise idea to trade the angel
of Death for her freedom, which you know, ultimately I'm
glad she's free. However, that could have been a lot
better of a negotiation.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Don't you think, man, you were really going to make
this audience think I'm right wing. No, you know, it's
not about politics again, guys, And for me, I really
hope that for those of you who just think that
I swing one way or the other from listening to
my show or this show. To me, it's the facts
and the reality and the things that pisses me off.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Right.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
You can look on the surface and say, this is
an African American lesbian professional NBA basketball player. Nobody should
be in prison for the plan. I don't care what
country you're in right now. To your point, she's over there,
she knows what she's doing. Where it pisses me off,
and the politics of this pisses me off is we
went out, we traded this horrid person for her. I
(31:14):
think we added a couple other people to the pilot,
but we know already about this, and we don't negotiate
very well. Whoever's in charge of negotiating, and it's not Biden,
but whoever's negotiating is but on his behalf absolutely is
a Horde negotiator. We saw what happened and again to
stand with us just pulling out there last second, so
we already know we're not making decisions right. But here's
(31:34):
the thing that pisses me off Google right now. How
many people are in stuck in Russia for the same thing.
There's a principle of a school sixty seven year old man,
if I'm not mistaken, who's still sitting in Jill who
was there three years before this gal was for the
same exact defense. He got caught with the vappin. He
has chronic back pain and he uses it for his
back pain, and he got caught there for the same reason.
(31:55):
He was a bilingual instructor out there. They arrest him
up and he still has seven years. We didn't include
him and the negotiations. We didn't say, hey, give us,
give us back all the people that are there for
the same offense that were not criminals, don't have a
criminal history. All we focused on was what would get
this gentleman or whoever is trying to, you know, get
credit for it. And that's the part that pisses me off.
(32:15):
Should she be there, No, but if we're going to go,
she had on her behalf. And now what pisses me
off about her she has failed to mention any one
of these other people. Since she's been out, she's now
more worried about covering her ass instead of raising awareness
to that cause. So that's why you know, I'm not
I'm not a fan of hers because of that. I
take it personally that she's left fellow comrades, you know,
(32:37):
there to vanquish, and you know she's an American, they're Americans.
They're there for the same offense. Why is she any
better than anybody else other than the fact that it's
going to get a few more press articles for the
politicians involved.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
In His name is Mark Vogel? By the way, thank
you Mark Vogel.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Mark Vogel, there's there's several of us free Mark Vogel's.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Why Why isn't she wearing that T shirt on every interview?
Why is it? Why is it stration focusing on him? Next?
Speaker 5 (33:02):
Why do we selectively not just prosecute, but then selectively
pick people that we want to, you know, put on
a pedestal and make a counter example of and then
let all these other brothers and sisters vanquish that. That
shit just pisses me off. And if I ever got
a chance to meet her or interview or I would
ask her that point, Blake, And I don't think she
has an answer to that other than she just doesn't
(33:22):
want to get caught up in the politics of it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, I mean, and ultimately, you know, I get it.
I get where she's coming from.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Like and it was a traumatizing experience.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
However, with something, was it Mark Vogel.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
He said, yeah, Mark Vogel, Let's let's.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Take this operating to shine some attention to work.
Speaker 8 (33:40):
Fogel focal, Mr C. Fogel. Fogel. So, he's a sixty
one year old who got arrested for cannabis in Russia
and he's still there. They gave him fourteen years.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
You see that man.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
He was arrested in twenty August twenty twenty one by
Russian authorities for trying to enter Russia with seventeen grams
of medical marijuana.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
And the last article, if you push it in Google News,
it's December twenty twenty three. Nobody's talking about it, nobody's
put that on a T shirt, nobody's protesting in the streets.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
How is she any different than he is? You know
what I mean? Why because she's a basketball player?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Come on, man, So let me there's a timeline of
you know, once he got imprisoned and after the fact.
So in August twenty twenty one, Fogel was entering Russia
through customs at cher Matievo Airport, Sorry for butchering that
went around. Half an ounce of medical marijuana was found
(34:38):
in his luggage. The substance has been prescribed to him
in the United States to treat chronic paint. In June
twenty twenty two, Fogel was convicted of drug trafficking and
sentenced to fourteen years in prison. In October twenty twenty two,
he was transferred from a detention center in Moscow to
a penal colony where he will serve the remainder of
his sentence. A bipartisan group of United States senators have
(35:00):
lobbied for the State Department to designate Fogel as a
wrongfully detained In twenty twenty two, a petition was initiated
on change dot org calling for Fogel's freedom and urging
the Biden administration to designate him as wrongfully detained. And
that is, you know, the current timeline. So there's not
much updated news.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
April seventeen of this year. You know, you got his
poor mom sitting here begging Biden for us release, saying, hey,
you know, don't forget about him.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
He's still there too.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
But but yeah, you know, these are exactly parallel cases
he had.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
He had way more bodily.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
He's had three back surgeries, two knee, one hip replacement,
and one rotary cup surgery. He literally was using cannabis for.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Pain, yeah, to get at the end of the day.
And he was out in Moscow.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
This was his last year that he was going to
teach out there, and he was going to come back
home and retire. He's a graduate of Penn State. So
just a you know, on the surface and not a
bad dude. Everything was no different than a WNBA player.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Man.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
You know, Russian prisons or no joke either. They're like
they call them penal colonies, right yeah, and they're like
worse than the Soviet era gulags. And I'm sure you
all you cod players at home with the log like
you don't want to be there. And they're just known
for like intensive labor, all kinds of crazy stuff. Some
(36:18):
just just the most terrible things that you could have.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Their labor camps, That's what I said. It's forced labor
camps and uh. And you know, in addition to that,
what's interesting is they use a lot of those. They
give them basically ninety nine percent of their sentence waived
if they go fight on the front lines, and then
they just go stick them. It's not funny, but you
know in their war with Ukraine and then they just
(36:41):
those are the.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
First ones that die.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
They almost sacrifice these dudes and and give them these
shitty deals to go in the front lines. But to
your point, Daniel, yeah, they are definitely hell holes.
Speaker 8 (36:51):
Now do you agree that places like this should I
think I personally agree that places like that should probably exist,
But not for cannabis. Definitely, not just because I got
an eighth the butt On vacation, I'm about to go
to Moscow and party and drink like vodka and fucking
smoke joints and shit.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
You know, I think to Connor's point, man, I think
you got to, you know, be aware. Yeah, it's a balance,
and I think a celebrity, you know, there's no excuse
for celebrity, especially she knows the rules they man. I've
you know, I've had pro athletes as clients before they
get training on which states they are going into, which
countries they're going to, what the laws are, what they
should do to prepare for that. So she this wasn't
(37:28):
news to her. This wasn't something that got sprung on her.
As you guys know, I've shared it a few times.
I got stuck in Texas with the exact same thing
of eight pen They consider that a felony in Texas.
Did it suck, Yes? Did I bitch about it? Yeah,
But at the end of the day, I knew the rules.
You know, I broke the rules. I had to face
the consequences. And I don't think I should be treated
any different because I have a little bit more of
(37:49):
a voice, if you will, than any other other kids
that I met in there. So we all abide by
the same rules. And now, do I think she was
singled out? Absolutely? Do I think that everybody's luggage would
have been scoured as detailed as hers? Work, Probably not
but again, we're in a geopolitical war as America. We
go out, we start a lot of shit, and we
(38:09):
get a lot of other countries pissed off at us.
And and I think the lesson from this for the
listeners is be really aware of which states, which countries
where you're traveling to. You know, you go to Indonesia,
you go to Thailand, you go to a lot of
these places. Indonesia specifically. Man, you know, you get cent
way to prison Singapore. I think it's a life sentence
for a joint. I mean, there are some countries out
(38:31):
there that are really really out there, and yeah, it sucks.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Man.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
We can't go out and fix the whole world. But
if we're traveling, you got to know the rules and
you've got to be prepared.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, Like, you can't expect a culture to conform to
the views of your own, you know what I'm saying,
Like whether it's right or wrong. You know, I can't
go into you know, Russia is literally the perfect example
to like, you know, everyone knows their view on cannabis.
Are I'm sure you know the American passport lights up
(39:02):
like a Christmas tree in their system. Britney Griner's a
WNBA player with celebrity status, So like you just have
to consider all these factors that you yourself are going
into when you go and travel and weigh it accordingly.
Like there's no right answer wrong answer to like bring
stuff or not bring stuff, but like you know, you
got to be careful.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
We look at them as they're crazy, and they're looking
at us so like they're like, well, you let child
molesters out after two years, you know, you give them
therapy and all this shit, whereas in other countries that's
a life sentence. So you know, like to your point,
it's a cultural thing, and it's if that's the rules
that they got, it's your choice when you go there
how you want to handle it, and the consequences are
the consequences. But definitely the politics involved on our side,
(39:41):
it's nauseating when you look at our you know, we're
prioritizing professional basketball players over instructors and people that are
actually teaching children in schools. And you know, she came back,
she got to play basketball. That dude still still stuck
up there most likely is going to die, according to
his mom. So it's it's an to think about it.
I think I think, you know, hard questions should be
(40:03):
asked by the politicians. They're going to answer around these
kind of questions. But there's a reality to the policies
that we make and the policies that.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
We enforce in our selective prosecution on them.
Speaker 8 (40:12):
How do you gentlemen feel about the Thailand situation being
the first country in Asia to fully decriminalize cannabis in
twenty twenty two, but now they're actually banning recreational cannabis
by twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, they're going through an election right now, and I
think the current administration wants to go both wreck and medicinal,
and then the challenging administration in the election wants it
to be just medicinal, not recreational. So you know, we
got to wait until their election goes down. I don't
know an exact date on when that is happening. However,
(40:49):
either way, Thailand's pushing with the cannabis game. You know,
you just keep hearing more and more come out of there,
like a lot of news stories. You know, we got,
we got some shit pushing out there, you know, the
whole the whole night.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
I think I echo your thoughts completely. I think it's
always goes back to politics. Every time you see any
kind of dramatic change in legislation where they.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Go from completely illegal to fully legal.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
To now swinging the pendulum so dramatically again so fast.
It's one hundred percent politically connected. I think the geo
positioning of Thailand where it is in relation to Indonesia,
some of these other predominantly Muslim countries or strict countries
like Singapore and certain parts of Asia, I think it's
all correlated. I do think just like in this country,
(41:31):
money dictates politics and politics dictate the laws. And it
would not surprise me if to Connor's point, you know
the new by no means do I know enough about
their politics, But it would surprise me if the new
potential president or whatever they're called over their prime minister
is is aligned with a certain you know, company or
(41:52):
something that needs it to be a certain way as opposed.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
To the other.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, you know, there's there's always some backscratching going on.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
You know, like I feel like they are where we
were call it twenty years ago, where certain states were
going to do it, certain states weren't, and they're kind
of trying to jockey in position and I you know,
from what we know, we have some friends out in
Thailand and we've been launching the Cannabis Stock magazine out
in Thailand, but it's it was kind of a free
for all there really fast. And I think a lot
of operators here were either even starting to launch the
(42:21):
brands out there. So it'll be interesting to see what
happens out there. Man, if I'm not mistaken, that part
of the world, that is probably the most aggressive legalization
that we saw.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Correct, would you say.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Uh, it was?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
It ramped up pretty quickly. I can't say for certain,
but I'd say so given the timeframe, Like it took
us a pretty damn long time to get where we are.
And like I think about it also, like imagine if you.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Know, we were.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
You know, not fifty states, and we were you know,
a smaller country, like it could be different, you know
what I'm saying, Like I think it all is, there's
a combination of factors and luck of the draws is
part of it. Where you know, they have a small
enough population to where it works. For example, in Denmark
a form of communism and socialism not communism socialism, it
(43:14):
works like you know, the population is small enough to be.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
It's all checks and balance.
Speaker 5 (43:20):
It works in its cultural there for them, they accept it,
you know that. I think they're like a sixty eight
percent effective tax rate. So yes, by all means, Denmark
is a perfect textbook example of socialism. When you do
look at their healthcare system, however, you do kind of
see the adverse effects of socialism. There is still a
two tiered medical system there. That's what people don't understand about.
(43:41):
For your healthcare is, yes, it's free until you have
to wait six months.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
And then you pay the premium until paige and that.
Speaker 5 (43:47):
For a concierge doctor, because that's where they're going to
go make their money.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
And that's how the NHS was when I was over
in the United Kingdom. Like you go into your general
practitioner and then you go and get checked out by them,
and then they refer you and they're like, oh, you
have to wait five six weeks and then you can
go get checked out and it's like, damn, I thought
I had meningitis.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Just now, like what the fuck am I supposed to do?
That's not six weeks.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
So then then you go to the urgent care and
then they just prescribe you tail and all and they're
like fuck off. So you know, definitely some pros and
cons to it. Like I understand free healthcare and like
the NHS has at certain points been really good for
my understanding where it like it hasn't been a dysfunctional system,
(44:30):
and I think that's due to each administration. And you know,
there's been a lot going down over the United Kingdom
specifically in the past six years with Brexit, people resigning
from PM. Borist Johnson's crazy.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
And when you were playing pro soccer, did you ever
play in Asia or was it predominantly in Europe?
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Predominantly in Europe. I think the craziest place I went
to was Latvia. I played in Latvia and I got
to see the capital of Riga, and that was like
being in a time capsule, felt like I was in
like nineteen sixty so Union. Yeah, that's like the train
cars were like gray bubbles. It looked like a like Nuketown,
like like train car and they're all like beat up.
(45:10):
It's seriously, they haven't updated it since then. And like
right by our hotel there there was like probably one
hundred and fifty foot tall communist you know, statue that
was commemorating the union, and then they took it down
like a few years ago over there. But Latvia is
probably the craziest place. Some of the boys went to
Slovenia and played.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
Yeah, well, Connor.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Before we dial off, I do want to give my
own disclaimer because Daniel kind of got me thinking. And
I know I've been doing a lot of shows here now,
and I feel like sometimes we take these political angles,
but I think I want to make sure that everybody
does understand at home, I'm I'm down the middle. I
don't have one party affiliation or the other. For me, man,
I just want people to ask questions. I feel like
we've been divided as a country. I think they've kind
(45:54):
of put us into this corner, in that corner west, east, north, south,
whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
But we've just.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Become so polarized, so opposite. I think most ninety percent
of Americans kind of can agree on common sense shit
everything from guns to this to that. But when you
when you really see us pitted across each other, and
then I get frustrated because I got my friends on
the far right, I got my friends on the far left,
and they're all just taking these positions and just refusing
to budge. And my whole thing about bringing up political
(46:21):
stuff is I try to find information that most people
don't know about this gentleman, you know, who's a teacher
out there, like most people. They didn't talk about that
on the news. They were just so focused on Britney,
Britney Brittany and then dividing it and then try to make
it racial and try to make it about her sexual orientation. Yeah,
and it's like, no, you know, you can speak out
against the injustices of other people there without you being racist.
(46:44):
You can, you know, want to elevate these other people
without making it seem it's about one thing or the other.
And that's what I hope people get, at least from
my show, from our shows or when you do have
me on is. I think people should just ask more
questions and try to try to look at it from
the other side, you know, regardless of what position you
have on what subject or what side. You know, if
more people could put themselves into the other person's shoes
(47:04):
and actually look at is why is that person taking
that position, maybe we can all come a little bit
closer down the metal.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, man, it's just a discourse.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
You know, you know, there's no no harm, no foul
with what's going down.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Like obviously you don't have to agree with everything, but
like you.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Said, we have strayed away far from the time where
you know, you could lob up any statement and you
know people could would actually think about it, like, no,
what I say is not going to kill you. It is,
you know, not going to physically hurt you.
Speaker 8 (47:35):
Just yeah, digest it.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
I just think about it, you know, just just a
little bit down the rabbit holes.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
You know, they tell you that, you know, you should
always question the government. Just you know, like Tony said,
ask some questions. There's nothing wrong with it, Tony. Before
we get on out of here. Anything you like to say,
like the plug.
Speaker 5 (47:58):
Na Man shout out to you guys. Master Mentors Live
obviously is something that we always talk about. I'd like
to talk about. But it's an.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Education campaign, excuse me, education company that we have and
what we do is we come out to a state
near you.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
If you go to master mentorslive dot com you'll see
the next city we're going to be in. It's a
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help you guys support on that and other than that. Man,
Thank you guys for having me on the show. Thank
you guys for helping me with my show. And you
can catch you on Instagram at the Insider Investor.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Check them out The Insider Investor. We got the Master
Mentors live on the screen right there. Thank you, Daniel. Well,
it's been Cannabis Talk one on one, your world's number
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