September 21, 2023 • 51 mins
Mama Sue, Brand Ambassador of Glasshouse Brand™, Executive Director of Farmacy Berkeley™, & the first black woman to open a cannabis dispensary in Berkeley. She is also widely recognized as the Mother Teresa of cannabis because of her former occupation as Catholic School Principal! She joins us today to promote Glasshouse Brand™, one of the fastest-growing vertically integrated cannabis entities in the U.S. with a dedicated focus on the California market & building leading, lasting brands to serve consumers of every kind. Check them out on IG @glasshousebrands & be sure to visit the website at www.glasshousebrands.com to shop all their merch & more!
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is good o' sweet Mama Sue, the executive director of
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Pharmacy Berkeley and the first black woman to open a
dispensary in Berkeley, California. She's also widely recognized as the
sweet and Lovely Mother Teresa of cannabis because of her
former occupation as a Catholic school principal. Go figure that one.
I can't wait to hear this one. How you go
from principal to run the dispensary. San Francisco Chronicle called
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there a great secret weapon.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
She is Mama Sue.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
She has the Mama Sue tinks your products, you guys,
so you can get her tinksure products on her website.
She also received an Advocate and Advocacy Award from Oaksterdam
University out there in Oakland and former appointed Commissioner of
Aging for Alameda County. She went to Washington, DC twice
for legislation of cannabis for seniors and vets, and she
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is a part of the Lady Buds documentary and congress
Room Woman Barbara Lei's documentary The Pharmacy Berkeley. You guys,
The Pharmacy Berkeley is a unique dispensary model focused on
educating senior citizens how to safely use medical cannabis to
improve the quality of their life. This is a new
partnership that Sue's I Can Team and Glasshouse Group, which
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we love Glasshouse. Those guys all over there are great.
And Taylor is certified in the Department of Social Services
Health Educator. She's a medical profession in the state of California,
and she can you can take her Cannabis education course
and receive continuing education units. That's the good CEU. Sue
also holds a Master of Education and a BA in
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Social Science from San Francisco State University, so she is
a Gator. I see the good old gators over there.
You can check out her Instagram page at Sue Taylor
Wellness that's s U E. T A Y l O
R Wellness and you could see Mama Sue Wellness as well,
or also visit her website mamasue Wellness dot com and
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shop for all the merchants. Get the CBD everything out
there without further ado. Please give it up, you guys,
for Mother Teresa aka Mama Sue is in the building.
You know there's nothing like having trailblazers like yourself in
this game who have been around the block a few
years and you know, dedicate yourself to cannabis.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And there's so many directions.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And stories that I want to get to with. You know,
your product line here and this and that. But where
does Mama Sue come from? Where's Sue Taylor?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Resonate?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Where were you born? Where were you raised? Because you
were from a time, you're older than me. Where it
wasn't so easy blaming black let alone a black woman.
So who were you, Miss Taylor as a person? Where
you come from?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You're absolutely right. I'm from Louisiana. Ooh, I came out
to my family. They it's twelve of us trus my
mom and my dad and well siblings. I have twelve
to have eight brothers?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Eight brothers?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Where are you fall in line?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I'm the seventh.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I'm the lucky one, lucky number seven? Can you name
them all?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Got?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Look?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
When when you know your mama forget everybody? Get over here.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You she called us by different names all the time.
How do you not I got three and I go
nuts exactly? You know, said mama, I'm Sue I'm Sue Ma,
Well just come here, you know. And then we used
to go visit my grandpa's house, her dad. It was
so many of us. He used to say Pearly. That
was her name that we French French creole from. She
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used to say, Pearly. Uh, get a role called book.
Make sure you got them all, all the kids. Every
time we go visit. She had to do that to
make sure.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean, how do you even travel with that many folks?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You know what a good thing that didn't have seatbelts
in those days, because we were packed and there was
always somebody else that wasn't related in the car with us.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So they're sixteen altogether.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
It was sixteen all together.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
And one thing though, Joe, we with that and coming
up we were we were very, very poor. And the
secret part of that is that we didn't know we
were right because we had so much love.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
In the family.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
We did not know that things could have been really
better because we thought this was.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It, this was our life, this is life it was like.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And on the Laura's side to growing up in the South,
I was there until I was twelve and then we
all moved to California. But it was hard living at
that time in the South, where racial prejudice was strong
but strong. I went into stores with my mom where
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they said go to the back door, and water fasces
that said white only.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
We didn't have a place to drink water.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It's crazy that you're like, That's why I wanted to
bring this up, because it's crazy to me that your
eyes seen this. Like when I see somebody that reminds
me of my aunt or somebody like this, I'm like,
the shit y'all been through is just something different where
it's like for me, it makes me feel like I
want to tell my kids and everybody else, like, don't
think we're that far from what's really going down in
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this world, folks, because why because we got people alive
like mamasou right here that still lived it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
And look, would you believe this? You know what made
my family move. My brother, my oldest brother, whistled at
a white woman. They incarcerated him for thirty days and
guess what the charges were?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
What was it?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
They arrested him for reckless eyeballing.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Shut your mouth right now.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Reckless eyeballing. You can't make that up.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Days for reckless eyeballing looking.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
At white woman.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Boy, you know, I'd be arrested plenty of time over
for that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
And so my mom said.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
My mom was like the matriarch of the family, and
she just said, I have eight sons. No no, she said,
We're gonna kill Himo. No no, no, no, no, going
to jail?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Was it wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Fear?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, they would kill him.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
And so.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
They packed us up. We came by car, by bus,
by train. That's how they got us all over here.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And uh, where did you guys first resign when you
guys came to Cali?
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Sam Matteo, California?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Wow, we've had back to back Sam Matteo. What was
the other one?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Where's she from Belmont Shores?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But the girl was just out she was from Belmont, Belmont, Belmont,
She's from Belmont. Yeah, yeah, right there by Belmont Short.
It's all the same, I mean, you know, so that's
right next to samittail as you know.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, Belmont.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yes, that's my sumthing ground because I graduated from San
Mateo High Oh wow. And as an undergraduate, I went
to College of San Mateo where it was College Queen
back in the day. Oh, go ahead there, uh and
and guess and I won that. But guess what we
had to do in order for me to win?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
What this is?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
What? Uh?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Back then, they had organizations. They had the African It
wasn't the Union. We had a BSU, but they also
had Africa and they had Hispanics.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
They had all the difference all that.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
So they were tired of all the white women women
we couldn't even participate. So they pulled together all those
minority or pooled together, and they pushed one.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Which was me and you won.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You were the first minority to win at sam Matteo College.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
But that's what we have to do in order for
me to win.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Congrats. You look like a little princess over there. I
see the hotness. I'm like, okay, let me see that.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Shake it like as salt shagar over I said, Grammar
still got a little cushion and cushion boy boy, let
me get over here, Connor, don't let me hit on
this little.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Lady over here. Are you singing? I don't see a
ring on her finger? Are you married?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Okay, well are you hanging in town for a while.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
You're too funny. You're too funny, You too funny.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
So you come down here you go to college.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Give me some more stories, give me some more background,
because I want to get to at least tour where principling.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I mean, you know, I mean that's which is crazy.
And then we'll get to cannabis in the next break.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
But okay, I went, yeah, I went to Well.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Let me ask you this. Were you smoking already back then? No? Okay,
so no cannabis use then up to college? Nothing yet?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
And was your family which was like taboo? Was I
going to taboo? Right right?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Because a lot of people was taboo back then too
for people. So that's why I asked that.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
We didn't touch it because because look, no, we were.
We in high school, they showed the film as part
of history refa madness, right.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
It scared us all to death.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
That's why seniors won't get into it to this day,
that it was embedded in us, all those lies, all
those untruth.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
And they're crazy when you think that way, when you
look at it, and.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I mean a different the Columbus though, it's no, you
got it right, brother, you got it right.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
The ain't no difference in teaching me about Columbus.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I mean, how can you discover America when they have
a group of people already back up, and.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You go over there, and you all get this little
tribeal around here, and you get.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Way over there.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Exactly, hell, you gonna do that? And that's this is
what they've been teaching us for years.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
For years, for years.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Uh. I was thinking about that just randomly today because
somebody went on this range about teaching about the gaze.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
This and that.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Then school that I go, why anybody bitching about Columbus? Like,
why are we bitching about this now? So you're bitching
about letting the kid come out because he's gathered, but
we think that it's okay to keep teaching this history
that's been fucking bogus for how many years?
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But now this isn't even history.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
This is the fact if somebody wants to feel a
certain way or identify a certain way, that's what's up
roaring us now. Like in my head, I just literally
was thinking that today as I seen somebody post, I'm like,
why aren't you worrying about other things like Columbus, the
three ships that came and found America?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Right exactly?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well, I'm sorry to go on my rant on that story,
you know what I'm saying, But I knew you'd like it.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Know you feel it because of the same concept. But
back then though, you're like the reefer madness was there,
and being of color, we all knew we've still then
till now been mistreated no matter what.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
So it's like, we ain't touching that.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
No, we didn't. We're not touch any of that.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So so you go to college and then you get.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I go to college. I got a bunch of degrees.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I've seen that.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, I have a bunch of degrees. It was a
it was a good experience. And then after that I
went into teaching. You know, I was a teacher, kindergarten
teacher first, and I loved it there on the peninsula.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
No, it was in Oakland.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Okay, you crossed the bridge.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
It was in Oakland. It was at a Catholic school.
I was principal of three Catholic schools actually, all in Oakland.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, all in Oakland.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I used to go to Flints and Oakland all the time.
You remember Flint's Barbecue fourteen Yes, uh huh, Yeah, I
loved that place. I actually come from San Jose up
there and give me a whole slab and sit there.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Hotlans a lot of people, a lot of spot because
it was the best barbecue.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Oh it was.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It was bombed. It was such a good spot. I
loved Oakland back then. So you're teaching for ten plus years,
I'm assuming before you get a principal gig.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, then I get uh yeah, I get it to
be principal. And I enjoyed that. The administration wasn't as
fun it's working with those little angels in kindergarten class
because it got very political and uh, you know, I
was teaching teachers rather than children.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And hearing them bits to you about everything that you
can't come.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And I didn't like it. I didn't like it at
all because there were some not all. Some of the
teachers would called the kids little pills, and I said,
they're not little pills. And then if they were acting
up in class, they wanted to give them riddling. You
know that that drug, right, And I said, no, you
change your curriculum to fit that kid, right, You do
not adjust the kid. And it was mostly kids of
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color and boys sounds about Hispanics and blacks African Americans.
They want to just pop on a pill. I said no,
And that's why this segment and thank you for having
it's plants over pills, because I have a whole thing
about my perception on health, and Joe know this. I'm
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seventy six years old and I don't take a pill
for anything. No, No, most people my age are, they
have high blood pressure, cholesterol is.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
I don't have none of that.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I mean, you still look great though, to you for
seventy six. I mean when you walked in, I was like,
who's that forty seven year old lady walking over?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
With that that you were younger than me.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I work out.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I work out, water workouts or just regular work.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You can knocket out do most people probably here.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Don't mess with me. I like, I'm telling you it's
I've always exercised. But what I find out as you age,
you really got to.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Do it more.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Because number one, this is what I did, Joe, when
I saw how the aging population was going, I said,
that's not going to be me. And I went that way,
I'm gonna do the opposite of that. I'm gonna get.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Better.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I gotta affirmation I want to share with you. I said,
every day I'm getting more youthful, more vibrant, more healthier,
more wealthier, more energetic, more sexier, more fun as I age,
not the other way around, the deterioration. And what helps
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with that is the total health and well being of
a person.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
You see, I agree.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
You see you have to.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Like I promote cannabis, and when I first got started
in the cannabis industry, it interrupt me if I'm throwing.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Off, no, you're good, I will, but don't worry.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Look, first, I think I should tell you how I
got in that candabs.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well, no, I was about to get there, Like I said,
I wanted to just go down the story of first,
who you are, matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Let's take a break real quick.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
We're gonna come back and find out how Mama Sue
actually got into cannabis because she.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Didn't do it in college. I'm gonna assume you weren't
doing it when you were teaching. I'm gonna roll my
dice and assume you weren't doing it when you were
a principal. Correct.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Maybe not.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
We'll find out when we come back. It's Cannabis Talk
one oh one. Mama Sue's in the building. Baby.
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Speaker 3 (16:48):
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Speaker 2 (16:53):
Check them out on Instagram at Club Laylo or online
at Clublaylo dot com. I'm sitting here with a beautiful
young seventy six Sue Taylor aka Mama Sue Ambassador over
there at glass House Brand as well.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
We've been hearing the history of your life a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And now to the point where how does this lady
find cannabis who grew up in a family that it
was taboo, It was no, no, no, You's the propaganda
probably got everybody in your head, scoops, especially the movies
that they showed us, certainly on with the reefer madness.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Where is the turning point for you? Mama Sue? How
did God come into your life like this?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Thank God has already always in my life, right, I
just put it in action. But if someone had told me.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I would be an advocate for cannabis seventeen years ago,
I said, oh, baby, you've been smoking too much. Because
I never would have chosen it. Joe, it chose me.
My son called me he was going to Oaksterdam studying
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it about cannabis.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Oh business venture.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I thought he was hooked on drugs like cocaine. That's
how I thought cannabis was.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And so many people think, you know, he had such
a good like I can see how people think that
way we did.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, a lot of people did we damn near heroin.
I mean, for God's sakes.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Right, trust me, I know a lot of people that
still do that, still thinks.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
That it's dope at all. Dope.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Yeah, And so look when he said so.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
He called me one day I was living in Atlanta
and he said, Ma, I know how you can get
that spiritual center that you've always wanted, you know, all
that reiki stuff, that yoga, that meditation or the acupuncture
Chyle practiced.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
With all that.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
I said, really how? He said?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
It would be funded by a cannabis dispensery. I said,
cannabis is, Spenser, you're talking about that marijuana stuff. He said, yes, Ma,
I've been going to school. I'm learning it's a healing medicine.
It's a healing medicine.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I said, boy, are you crazy?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
I did? I said, where are you learning this? Kind
of where I send him to college? Oh good, I said,
where are you getting this? I've been going to.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
School, I said, okay, he said, and back then it
was it was nonprofit. So the money that you made
in the cannabis, I could hire acupunctures. I could hire
people to do meditation, all of those well being, to
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live a life like.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Like I'm living all of that wellness.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Without popping pills. Huh okay. And so he said it
would be funded.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
That's how we would pay the people, and they would
come by this cannabis. But what's stuck in my head
was marijuana, you know. And so I said, okay, send
me the information that they're sending you, that they that
you that got you interested exactly because this never was
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in trouble, never did any kind of drugs to my knowledge.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Uh, you know. So it was a puzzle to me.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
And so why am my boy doing this?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Exactly? Look this, this is what I I.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Said, Okay, send me this stuff, the information, so I
could I could look at it.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
This is got I put the phone down.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I said, Okay, God, I sent this boy to Catholic
school all his life, he went to college.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Now you tell me you want to sell a weed.
Where did I go wrong?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Within two days, Jill, I packed up everything I had, everything,
I had two suitcases. I said, I'm going to say,
this boy from drugs, I haven't lost him drugs and
all these years, and I'm during sure. I was gonna
try everything right. And so I packed my bags, left
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my place, my beautiful place in Atlanta, Georgian bucket of
all places, flew home, and I said, okay. So he
and Kishua, his wife, you know, they was telling me
about the plants, this is how we can do it,
and so I was thinking spiritual center in my head.
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The cannabis stuff didn't really I didn't know anything about it,
you know, I had no experience with cannabis.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
And so it went on.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
You know, he made when my son he was growing,
because then back then you could have ninety nine plants.
If you are patient, ninety nine plants you could grow.
So he had to grow with ninety nine plants. That
was legal because it was it was.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
One of the props whatever for the legal for medical reasons,
for medical, for medical, and so now for recreational in California.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Six yes, they cut it down.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Well that's for recreational. Everybody could have six plants. I
don't know what it is for medical, but okay.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Then then he started my son gave us some tapes
to look at.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
You know, he had us like in school, learning about
the cannabis, about how you grow it, and he was
very meticulous about it.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
His name is Jamal.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
We had to shower and put on white coasts when
we went to his luck, to his place where he
was growing the plants. He was that meticulous about it.
And so so I just just trying to ingest this,
you know, trying to see what is.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Right, I said, you know, So.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Anyway, come to find out he wasn't even smoking weed
at that time. But that was the gist of it
and the challenges that we faced in trying to get
a herm a legal permit.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
To do.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
They wouldn't rent to us because we were black, and
they figured we might have been because it was big
when they say warehouse and all that. They wouldn't rent
to them. They wouldn't and so it became very challenging.
People took our money because you couldn't go to the police.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
You could.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, we give people people money to partner with to
do things. No, it went out, went out.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It was just disconnected.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Everything it was.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
They had a lot of people in it for the
wrong reasons.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
You see, and.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
We received in getting going to get the permit. It
was challenging for us because everybody was saying, we just
throw up, you know, just we threw up our cannabis dispensary. Uh,
and we open. We'm making lots of money. I say, yes,
but the rules just aren't aren't the same for us.
We're people of color.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
I said they would. They wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
They wouldn't do much with me, but they would lock
my black son and my black daughter in law up.
You know you could do that because you're white. We're
not white.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
We would have got incarcerated like that.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
And I know, you know because I know I have
the experience of the South of how we would treat it.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
And ain't nothing really changed. I mean, just look at
the stats in facts folks still till this day. I mean, it's.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Twenty twenty three, and the numbers don't lie. We can
think of theories, but the numbers don't lie for the
average black male and the Latino male that's being arrested
for cannabis compared to the whites and anybody else, and
numbers are double, if not triple.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Exactly, you know what they would do when they would
go close the white shops, They'd get a slap on
the hand, they take the weed, and then the company
would just go open up in the next city. What
they did if they were black, they got incarcerated for
thirty and forty and fifty years like they had committed
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a major crime.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
So it was.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So I think a matter of fact, I know why
I was so successful in it. It's because in the movement,
and I've been in for seventeen years and I've really learned.
When I first got in the cannabis, I was scared
to death. Even though I was promoting it, I was
scared to death of it. In the back of my head,
(25:33):
I could remember going into Santa Clara to the Commission
on Aging because I was Commissioner right and I went
in to talk about cannabis to bring them to Harbordside
at the time, because they were guiding us through the
process of getting a cannabis.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Risid is like one of the biggest in open Let
alone of the biggest in California.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
They're my mentors. Those are the people I was mentored by,
the d'angelo's, Duncan Derry Goldsberry, just all the Eric Peterson,
all those people way back when that set the stage
for all of us now to be with ease and
grace in the cannabis industry. So I feel honored to
(26:17):
be a part of that of that era, that whole movement,
that whole movement. But nevertheless, I was at I was
at the Commission on Aging to talk about cannabis so
I could talk to the seniors. Right, I'll do a
presentation to the console. And I was scared to death
because I didn't believe it. Then, I'm telling you, I
was frightened. And so I said, oh Lord, I said,
(26:40):
look at all these white people in here. I said,
they're gonna think I'm a druggy from Oakland selling drugs.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I says, why did I let these kids get me
into this?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Then I'm saying this in my head, right, I said,
I shaid, just pack up my little bag and go home.
And then something inside of me said, Sue, you said
you're gonna make this world a better place because you
lived and you were going to do whatever it takes
to do that. And by that time it was my turn,
and I stood up and I said, hello, my name
(27:11):
is Sue Taylor, and I work with seniors and medical
cannabis and I people.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
I was received so well. I was shocked.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
They asked me to come back the next month and
do a whole presentation and I brought James Anthony, the
lawyer and the doctor with me.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
And that's what you have to do if you want
to be reputable. And one of the reasons why I
know I'm so successful in the industry Number one, Joe,
is because I genuinely cared.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I don't have to know you. I don't care who
you are.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Being in pain, living in misery, waiting to die is
no way for anyone to live. And that's where this
country is going to because the pharmaceutical approach to managing
health it's not working because of all the side effects.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Right this pill, that pill. This then's your kiddy, your liver,
your ulcers, you go by it. You're not pooping, you know,
your whole colon's messed up now, Like it's just so
so many things happen from all the different.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Things, from all those different things. And see, one of
the key factors in that is that people my age,
we follow the rules and the law. If a doctor
says it's not God came down hisself and.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Said, take this pill. That's what you need exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
The doctor said, And no, I have no medical background
at all. You know, on a Catholic school principal and
all that stuff. Educated to do all kinds of things.
But I'm not a medical doctor. So I want to
make the whole audience know that. But I have lived
these seventy six years and have a lot of wisdom
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about how life works. And so when I began to
see working at Harborside anyway, I worked at Harbside first
for five.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Years as a ten.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
See, Stephen says, Sue, I want you to come and
lead our seniors need our help in cannabis, and I
want you to lead that program.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
That was all he told me.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
So I said, I want a curriculum backgrounding, like I'll
bob something together. Okay, I did.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
So you know what I did. I figured it out.
I said, Okay, I'm gonna go with all the seniors'
health care providers go monthly. There's a place in every
city where everybody who is administrator or a director or
nurses of senior care facilities, they have a general meeting
(29:38):
once a month where they collaborate. And so I went
there and there's a portion where you stand up and
say who you are.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
And so I would go there talk have a board.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I want you to come and visit my cannabis dispensary
harborside sign up. People begin to sign up. I got
as many as thirty, forty and fifty people coming in,
and the bus would do the talking about the different products.
They would give the intro. Because I wasn't I wasn't
educated on that was new. And so what changed my
(30:10):
mind about cannabis was year after year, all the people
I saw getting healed from the cannabis. Miss Sue, Miss Sue,
I don't have my walking stick anymore. Adult children of
aging parents to say, we can't find my mom. We
(30:30):
found a wheelchair, but we don't know where she is.
Stories like that. It was nothing I read that Jamal
has sent to me or Kiki had given me.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
It was real anecdotal evidence right in front of you,
to hear it from the mouth.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
I saw it.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I saw it in action, and so I said, huh,
this is something, even though I was still scared of it,
because look, I remember I was at a city council
meeting and I did my own marketing.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
I figured it out. I was.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I was up against a lot of big time players
in the cannabis industry, a lot of them. And there
was one I forgot the name of it. I think
it was a Sebastian pool. He said, Mama, Sue, you're
running for this. You're going for this permit. I said yes.
In Berkeley, I was going for the permit. I said yes.
He said, I'm going to back out because you deserve it,
(31:25):
you know, and the other heavy hitters that they stayed
in but and they paid all kinds of money to
people to lobby the city council. And I did it myself.
And you know how I did it. I was a
commission on aging, right, I'm a farmer, Catholic school principal.
I called the mayor and the city council the gate keepers, right,
And he said, what do you want to see the
(31:46):
mayor for? What do you want to see Councilman Barry for?
And I said, I want to talk to him about seniors.
I'm a commissioner on aging. And that's how I got
in the door. If ID said Cannabis Think Rightact seventeen
years ago, Oh yeah, hung up, sorry lady. Yes, So
that got me in the door. Always find a way,
(32:08):
find another way to get what you want done.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Right, if you have a kindred spirit, nothing to stop me.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
So you got in there, and then you get the license.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I got in there, told him I talked about the seniors.
I talked about I was Catholic school principal. I won
their hearts. They saw I was reputable, they saw it
was articulate, they saw I was well educated, and they
saw I cared. So I got in, you know, I
got in mean, they heard me, right, So then with it,
(32:42):
then I hit him with the cannabis. And so it
was hard to deny me then because I'd already set
the stage of who I was, and then I really
wasn't a threat, right, and that I genuinely cared and
anyway I did that, And so we had still went
through all the formality that it took a year almost
to go through all of that. But the bottom line
(33:04):
is that we want it. We want it because we
had a special niche. It was geared to the knees
of seniors.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
And that's great because that's the number one audience that's
going that's the highest demographic that's going into most dispensaries
across the world, the country. I mean, you know, those
are the ones that are going in there realizing what
you're saying, going.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You don't need to be on these pills that much.
You don't need to be doing that like that.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
You can come in here and be educated and figure
out what you can be taking. And it's not necessarily
smoking flower. That's not the key to it. There's so
many other ways of using these rubs, creams, tinksters, and
were going to get into your tinctures that you have,
and I want to get into the story of how
you actually created your dispensary that's in Berkeley, because you're
the first black woman to own a dispensary in the
(33:49):
town over there, which is even more crazier and awesome
and salute to you.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
And I want to hear also when we come back.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Was there a moment that you and I Maybe it
was the moment of the lady saying I don't know
where my cane is because I don't need it, or
the wheelchair, or was it something that you read that
you went, you know what, this.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
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Speaker 2 (34:11):
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Thank you guys so much for doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We have Mama Sue Sue Taylor in the building with us,
first black.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Woman to own a dispensary in Berkeley, hearing your story.
I could just go on and on and listen to you.
I love it By the way it's like listening to poetry.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It's just so like I'm intrigued, and once again it's
like remind me of one of my aunts or something.
Hearing the stories of life and then to think how
you get into cannabis like that. So hearing that story, Mama,
Sue and I alluded to what where was that breaking
point where you go I believe, believe, believe now it
was not over time because you were scared, you said,
(35:35):
you went to meeting scared. You did even with that,
you know at the beginning you were advocating, but you
were nervous.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I didn't tell anybody I worked in cannabis and got
pissed when somebody say, oh.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
She's the one, Sue, Uh, she works with cannabis pipe down, Yeah,
because I wanted it was I.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Call that in the green closet.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yes, and it was so looked down upon by most people.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
They I saw energy change when when.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
It was I mean, she'll tell the hill to today,
but you know it's loosening up still.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yes, And one of the major stories my son who
also you know, they we co founded that, me and
my son and my daughter in law, and so my
son had a friend that her mom was dying and
she wouldn't eat and where they were losing her. And
she went to my son Jamal, and she said, I'm
(36:28):
losing my mom. I need something to make her eat,
and Jamal got her some cookies for her to eat.
That girl came back a week later, she said, you
saved my mom's life. She's eating. The doctor said, we
don't know what you did, but she's gonna live. I
heard stories after stories after stories when I would go
to places to speak. I remember I went to uh
(36:51):
they invited me to come to humbold County and these
people were raising their hands. They were farmers. I mean
they were regular cannabis farmers. Lady raised her and she says,
we went to the doctor today. You know, my husband
a few years ago was diagnosed with stage four liver cancer.
(37:12):
Today he's cancer free because we made cannabis juices, cannabis
products and healed him. And the man stood up and
it was to you, because you can't make that up.
And I saw stories and stories and stories, but they
had to keep it on the under right, you know,
(37:34):
That's that's the saddest part about it. And then you know,
I said, you know, if anybody can make a difference
with this plant, it would be me because I'm not
a threat. I genuinely care. The only thing I need
to know is just learn. This is what I told
my business partners. I said, look, I can get most
(37:55):
anything done. I just need the objective and the audience.
I'm just going to speak too, and I'll get it done.
And I will and I have and I'm still soaring.
And it's who I am because of my practice that
(38:17):
I do every day. I do a spiritual practice every day,
seven days a week.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
I meditate.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I get in touch with my higher self every day,
and that's how I operate through that. And people, when
I say people, I say, you have to spend time
with your higher self every morning. If you want to
be the best you can be, if you could be
the person you were created to be, if you want
to be all that you could be, you got to
tap into that higher source. I call it source energy,
(38:43):
I call it the universe. You tap into that. And
I do that daily and I get guidance from that
how I maneuver it through that whole cannabis thing. I
prepared the way for me, for myself. But when I
would meet with these people so they could receive me
well and that journey. And I say that is because
(39:07):
what it's true for me is true for you and
for all our listeners. You want any kind of success
in the world, you have to tap into well being.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
You want well being.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
You want to be healthy, vibrant, doing the work that
you came here to do. And Joe, you obviously doing it.
Because when I'm passionate about this now you see. And
I never thought I would come to this point. But
the reason I'm happy, the reason I have a wonderful life,
(39:42):
is because I love the work I'm doing in Cannabis.
I'm loving the people that I'm serving. And it's not
your seniors.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Now. I have a large.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Youthful following like OGA, and I mean just tons of them,
because I talk to them about the higher self and
who they came here to be. I was listening to
one of your podcasts and they had this guy named
Angel on it.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
It was in June, it.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Was around Father's Day, and he told some stories in
about the cannabis, about the young people. He said, Well,
I was a dropout from college, he said, because I
was smarter than the teachers. And that's really what's happening.
To tell you the truth. The younger people that's coming
on board now, they tap into their spirit out their spirituality,
they tap into their creativity, and they soar. They're not
(40:30):
bored on no job and get a job that they
hate and not doing what they Okay, I have to
say this because it's it's coming to me. Everybody here, Joe,
including you, that's in the cannabis industry. Before you were born,
when you were still in the ethers, you said, I
want to be born at this time to bring these
(40:53):
skills to the world because I can make a difference.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Many your call. Few do the work.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I love that. That's deep, that's real.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
You see, We and everybody that's providing a genuine service
in the cannabis industry is doing our creator's work, whatever
that is, you know, whatever.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Some make bottles, some make products, whatever, Some speak hosts.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
And every Come here for all the cannabis information.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, come here to learn about the people industry. Because
I don't smoke weed, you know what I mean. I
use oils, tinctures, bottles, rubs, creams, but I'm not sitting
there smoking or joint or hitting a bong.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
I don't use it that way.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I use it for medical reasons myself for my elements,
but I really feel like I use this platform and
my knowledge of how to do a show and how
to present things to the audience so that we could
find out who's who in this industry and who's real
and what they're about. And like hearing your story, Mama Sou,
people can feel you know what you're about, see what
you're about. And now I want to get into your
(42:00):
product that you have because you say you're here to
do something. How did you come up with this product?
And what are we look at here? I know there's
just two skews, right.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
It's it just two tensures and seniors because that was
my focus, right, Actually, that's my my love working with seniors.
They only come to cannabis for two reasons. Most of
them don't want to get high. They want to get well.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
And they want to take all that pain exactly.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
We develop two tensures, one for sleep because they can't sleep.
Are they in pain and anxiety. The Mama Sue Sleep
helps you sleep through the night. It has CBN full spectrum,
it's tenses under the tongue. Don said is from fifteen
to twenty minutes. It's right away.
Speaker 5 (42:53):
It helps.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
I wanted something geared for them especially, but now everybody's
using it.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
The younger people say no, I use it.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I say, good helps.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
It helps you sleep and if you have anxiety or pain.
And so when I partnered with Glasshouse Brands, they says, okay,
we can help make you, help.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
You produce manufacturing. Yes, all of it, all of it.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
I love them. The Kyle h yeah, and so uh.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
They were integral part in making this happen. And there's
another thinking, you know what else it did for me.
Black people many of us don't have legacies because we
grew up poor. But everything was taken from us, you know,
for all the obvious reasons, and so it's rarely. So
teaming up with Glasshouse group allowed me to have a
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legacy for my family.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
It's uh, you know, and especially with black people being incarcerated,
people of color incarcerated. When they come into the dispensary
in Berkeley Pharmacy, Berkeley, you know, they.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
See a picture of me.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
They said, well, all my work wasn't in vain. You know,
we give them pride when they walk in. And before
the pandemic, I had classes. I had a special room
where I educated everybody about cannabis, about what it does,
does not do, if it can benefit you, if it's
for you at all. And then I also tell him,
I said, look, you can't just do cannabis and expect
(44:27):
your whole life to change. I said, you have to
incorporate some other things too. You have to is body, mind,
and spirit. All of it's related. And the cannabis helps
with the spiritual party. It helps you think more creatively.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
It just helps. It heals your body.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
If you're in pain, it helps you.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Yes, And so I saw it as a way to
alleviate some of the pharmaceutical drugs and use the cannabis instead.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
And more and more this isn't excuse me. And more
and more people.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
While using the cannabis, and I tell them, do not
get off your pharmaceutical drugs. If you start using cannabis
and find success, that's your doctor's job. Do not get
off any of your medications unless your doctors say to
do so. After he reads your numbers while you're using
the cannabis, I said, is that clear? So they get
they got They got that very well. And that's very
(45:27):
important point. And so after that with the cannabis, I
done forgot my train of thought. But it's been having
the products have given and having the dispensary give people
of color a sense of pride to say, well, maybe
(45:49):
all of our hard work is not in vain. Here's
some people who were able to do it, and we
weren't equity h applicants. I use my family's money. That's
that's that's what we did. We used cannabis. We used
my family's money to pay for for everything and do
what we needed to do.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
And it's doing good out there. How many years now
it's been open.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
About four four years? Yeah, I think Pharmacy Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
You guys, it's spelt a little different. It's not normally
out it's with an F. And I kind of liked that.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I was like, okay, well farmers, Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I get it from farm to Yeah, exactly, So they're
growing it and is your son still.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Growing Oh no, because no, no, no, he only did
that for a little while when we were experimenting. You see,
it was all all of it was firsthand. I mean
seventeen years ago. He had to figure it out, and
he did and then he just told me and kick it.
What to do, and we would go. I said, I said,
what do I need to do? And I go and
get it done what I need to do. I just
did what they told me to do because I didn't
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know what I was doing.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Are you like the big star over there at the
pharmacy spot in Berkeley?
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Mamaseeur he mama.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
It's everywhere I go.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I could see that that great spirit, like, yeah, they.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Get excited when I come, and I'm excited to go
to see people who are following their dream and helping people.
You see, it's very important, especially today people are miserable.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Oh yeah, and not only that you need something like
this because it's nothing better in my opinion, than seeing
an old black woman who to do this because you know,
like we've heard at the beginning of the show, all
the shit you've been through, and it's like you said,
with that one gentleman said, oh mama, see you going
for that applicate. Okay, I'm pulling out like you damn
right that you deserve it. And you know, granted you
(47:34):
you were successful from the hard work you did as
a teacher to a principal and all this stuff, but
that's your heart doing. That's good and you know, praise God,
you're able to get that far in life with the
struggles that you had normally. Anyways, that's why your whole
fan bam moved from the South down to California to
try to create something that great. I mean, maybe it
could have happened out there. I'm not saying it couldn't have,
but you know, great, you.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Said the exact words my mother said. My mother said
those exact words that you just did. I'm moving all
of you because you can have a better life over there.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I mean, that's what I'm thinking. That's what I would think, right.
I look at life that way when I I mean,
I call ball ball to strike a strike, and if
I see something like well, that's that's the way it
was back then there.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
You got to get out of there.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
You know you're right, And look, I want everybody to
know that's listening, especially the young people. If you're working
on a job that you're not happy with, go inside,
connect with the same source that created you, and you'll
be led to what you're supposed to do. If you've forgotten,
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and if you have a dream, if it don't scare
you a little bit, it's the wrong dream. It has
to scare you a little bit.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
That's no.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
That's how you know it's the right dream because one
reason why, see you have dementia and all that kind
of stuff. They're not challenging, challenging their brain. You got
to do different things. Who would ever think Catholic school principal, Now,
my son, somebody say.
Speaker 5 (49:06):
Ain't so selling weed? Ain't so selling weed? I said, no, no.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
No, well kind of you are? I mean you are
selling weed.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Seventeen years ago? Now I did. I wasn't comfortable.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
But now and.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Sue selling more than we. She got concentrates, she got VD,
she got.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
Everything you need, Edible's gummies, everything. Come to the pharmacy
boy in Berkeley. Check her out on I gen Sue
Taylor Wellness. Also Mama Sue Wellness on IG and check
out the website Mama Sue Wellness over there. And I
want to thank everybody at Glasshouse that partnered up with you,
because Marcus is a good brother of mine as well.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Over there.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I love Marcus and Kyle being the CEO of Good Dude. Mama,
is there anything that we forgot that you want to
mention before we let you go?
Speaker 4 (49:48):
Yes, we're doing Marcus and I and Glasshouse Group are
doing a campaign on Plants over peels to help eliminate
the stigma even more to try don't be afraid of
cannabis because it can lead to better health. So the
Plants over Pills movement it's going to go everywhere to
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encourage people to make themselves the number one priority and
be the person they came here to be.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Plants over pills baby, And that goes with it.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
While you're eating, what you're grabbing from the store, what
you're grabbing from those fast food spots, it's all.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Hand in hand. Don't just think, oh that means I
gotta just want one week. They also got to eat
better too.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
All of that all that good if you want to
be healthy.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Well, you know her as the Mama Teresa Cannabis. You
also know her as good old Mama Sue Sue Taylor.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
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Speaker 5 (50:53):
Thank you so much for having me.
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is good o' sweet Mama Sue, the executive director of
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Pharmacy Berkeley and the first black woman to open a
dispensary in Berkeley, California. She's also widely recognized as the
sweet and Lovely Mother Teresa of cannabis because of her
former occupation as a Catholic school principal. Go figure that one.
I can't wait to hear this one. How you go
from principal to run the dispensary. San Francisco Chronicle called
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there a great secret weapon.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
She is Mama Sue.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
She has the Mama Sue tinks your products, you guys,
so you can get her tinksure products on her website.
She also received an Advocate and Advocacy Award from Oaksterdam
University out there in Oakland and former appointed Commissioner of
Aging for Alameda County. She went to Washington, DC twice
for legislation of cannabis for seniors and vets, and she
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is a part of the Lady Buds documentary and congress
Room Woman Barbara Lei's documentary The Pharmacy Berkeley. You guys,
The Pharmacy Berkeley is a unique dispensary model focused on
educating senior citizens how to safely use medical cannabis to
improve the quality of their life. This is a new
partnership that Sue's I Can Team and Glasshouse Group, which
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we love Glasshouse. Those guys all over there are great.
And Taylor is certified in the Department of Social Services
Health Educator. She's a medical profession in the state of California,
and she can you can take her Cannabis education course
and receive continuing education units. That's the good CEU. Sue
also holds a Master of Education and a BA in
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Social Science from San Francisco State University, so she is
a Gator. I see the good old gators over there.
You can check out her Instagram page at Sue Taylor
Wellness that's s U E. T A Y l O
R Wellness and you could see Mama Sue Wellness as well,
or also visit her website mamasue Wellness dot com and
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shop for all the merchants. Get the CBD everything out
there without further ado. Please give it up, you guys,
for Mother Teresa aka Mama Sue is in the building.
You know there's nothing like having trailblazers like yourself in
this game who have been around the block a few
years and you know, dedicate yourself to cannabis.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And there's so many directions.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And stories that I want to get to with. You know,
your product line here and this and that. But where
does Mama Sue come from? Where's Sue Taylor?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Resonate?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Where were you born? Where were you raised? Because you
were from a time, you're older than me. Where it
wasn't so easy blaming black let alone a black woman.
So who were you, Miss Taylor as a person? Where
you come from?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You're absolutely right. I'm from Louisiana. Ooh, I came out
to my family. They it's twelve of us trus my
mom and my dad and well siblings. I have twelve
to have eight brothers?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Eight brothers?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Where are you fall in line?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
I'm the seventh.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I'm the lucky one, lucky number seven? Can you name
them all?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Got?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Look?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
When when you know your mama forget everybody? Get over here.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You she called us by different names all the time.
How do you not I got three and I go
nuts exactly? You know, said mama, I'm Sue I'm Sue Ma,
Well just come here, you know. And then we used
to go visit my grandpa's house, her dad. It was
so many of us. He used to say Pearly. That
was her name that we French French creole from. She
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used to say, Pearly. Uh, get a role called book.
Make sure you got them all, all the kids. Every
time we go visit. She had to do that to
make sure.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean, how do you even travel with that many folks?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You know what a good thing that didn't have seatbelts
in those days, because we were packed and there was
always somebody else that wasn't related in the car with us.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So they're sixteen altogether.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
It was sixteen all together.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
And one thing though, Joe, we with that and coming
up we were we were very, very poor. And the
secret part of that is that we didn't know we
were right because we had so much love.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
In the family.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
We did not know that things could have been really
better because we thought this was.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
It, this was our life, this is life it was like.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
And on the Laura's side to growing up in the South,
I was there until I was twelve and then we
all moved to California. But it was hard living at
that time in the South, where racial prejudice was strong
but strong. I went into stores with my mom where
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they said go to the back door, and water fasces
that said white only.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
We didn't have a place to drink water.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It's crazy that you're like, That's why I wanted to
bring this up, because it's crazy to me that your
eyes seen this. Like when I see somebody that reminds
me of my aunt or somebody like this, I'm like,
the shit y'all been through is just something different where
it's like for me, it makes me feel like I
want to tell my kids and everybody else, like, don't
think we're that far from what's really going down in
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this world, folks, because why because we got people alive
like mamasou right here that still lived it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
And look, would you believe this? You know what made
my family move. My brother, my oldest brother, whistled at
a white woman. They incarcerated him for thirty days and
guess what the charges were?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
What was it?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
They arrested him for reckless eyeballing.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Shut your mouth right now.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Reckless eyeballing. You can't make that up.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Days for reckless eyeballing looking.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
At white woman.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Boy, you know, I'd be arrested plenty of time over
for that. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
And so my mom said.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
My mom was like the matriarch of the family, and
she just said, I have eight sons. No no, she said,
We're gonna kill Himo. No no, no, no, no, going
to jail?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Was it wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Fear?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, they would kill him.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
And so.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
They packed us up. We came by car, by bus,
by train. That's how they got us all over here.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And uh, where did you guys first resign when you
guys came to Cali?
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Sam Matteo, California?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Wow, we've had back to back Sam Matteo. What was
the other one?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Where's she from Belmont Shores?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But the girl was just out she was from Belmont, Belmont, Belmont,
She's from Belmont. Yeah, yeah, right there by Belmont Short.
It's all the same, I mean, you know, so that's
right next to samittail as you know.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, Belmont.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yes, that's my sumthing ground because I graduated from San
Mateo High Oh wow. And as an undergraduate, I went
to College of San Mateo where it was College Queen
back in the day. Oh, go ahead there, uh and
and guess and I won that. But guess what we
had to do in order for me to win?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
What this is?
Speaker 5 (08:35):
What? Uh?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Back then, they had organizations. They had the African It
wasn't the Union. We had a BSU, but they also
had Africa and they had Hispanics.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
They had all the difference all that.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
So they were tired of all the white women women
we couldn't even participate. So they pulled together all those
minority or pooled together, and they pushed one.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Which was me and you won.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You were the first minority to win at sam Matteo College.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
But that's what we have to do in order for
me to win.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Congrats. You look like a little princess over there. I
see the hotness. I'm like, okay, let me see that.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Shake it like as salt shagar over I said, Grammar
still got a little cushion and cushion boy boy, let
me get over here, Connor, don't let me hit on
this little.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Lady over here. Are you singing? I don't see a
ring on her finger? Are you married?
Speaker 5 (09:34):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Okay, well are you hanging in town for a while.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
You're too funny. You're too funny, You too funny.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
So you come down here you go to college.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Give me some more stories, give me some more background,
because I want to get to at least tour where principling.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I mean, you know, I mean that's which is crazy.
And then we'll get to cannabis in the next break.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
But okay, I went, yeah, I went to Well.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Let me ask you this. Were you smoking already back then? No? Okay,
so no cannabis use then up to college? Nothing yet?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
And was your family which was like taboo? Was I
going to taboo? Right right?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Because a lot of people was taboo back then too
for people. So that's why I asked that.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
We didn't touch it because because look, no, we were.
We in high school, they showed the film as part
of history refa madness, right.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
It scared us all to death.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
That's why seniors won't get into it to this day,
that it was embedded in us, all those lies, all
those untruth.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
And they're crazy when you think that way, when you
look at it, and.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I mean a different the Columbus though, it's no, you
got it right, brother, you got it right.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
The ain't no difference in teaching me about Columbus.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I mean, how can you discover America when they have
a group of people already back up, and.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You go over there, and you all get this little
tribeal around here, and you get.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Way over there.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Exactly, hell, you gonna do that? And that's this is
what they've been teaching us for years.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
For years, for years.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Uh. I was thinking about that just randomly today because
somebody went on this range about teaching about the gaze.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
This and that.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Then school that I go, why anybody bitching about Columbus? Like,
why are we bitching about this now? So you're bitching
about letting the kid come out because he's gathered, but
we think that it's okay to keep teaching this history
that's been fucking bogus for how many years?
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But now this isn't even history.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
This is the fact if somebody wants to feel a
certain way or identify a certain way, that's what's up
roaring us now. Like in my head, I just literally
was thinking that today as I seen somebody post, I'm like,
why aren't you worrying about other things like Columbus, the
three ships that came and found America?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Right exactly?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well, I'm sorry to go on my rant on that story,
you know what I'm saying, But I knew you'd like it.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Know you feel it because of the same concept. But
back then though, you're like the reefer madness was there,
and being of color, we all knew we've still then
till now been mistreated no matter what.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
So it's like, we ain't touching that.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
No, we didn't. We're not touch any of that.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So so you go to college and then you get.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I go to college. I got a bunch of degrees.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I've seen that.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, I have a bunch of degrees. It was a
it was a good experience. And then after that I
went into teaching. You know, I was a teacher, kindergarten
teacher first, and I loved it there on the peninsula.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
No, it was in Oakland.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Okay, you crossed the bridge.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
It was in Oakland. It was at a Catholic school.
I was principal of three Catholic schools actually, all in Oakland.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, all in Oakland.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I used to go to Flints and Oakland all the time.
You remember Flint's Barbecue fourteen Yes, uh huh, Yeah, I
loved that place. I actually come from San Jose up
there and give me a whole slab and sit there.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Hotlans a lot of people, a lot of spot because
it was the best barbecue.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Oh it was.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It was bombed. It was such a good spot. I
loved Oakland back then. So you're teaching for ten plus years,
I'm assuming before you get a principal gig.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, then I get uh yeah, I get it to
be principal. And I enjoyed that. The administration wasn't as
fun it's working with those little angels in kindergarten class
because it got very political and uh, you know, I
was teaching teachers rather than children.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And hearing them bits to you about everything that you
can't come.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And I didn't like it. I didn't like it at
all because there were some not all. Some of the
teachers would called the kids little pills, and I said,
they're not little pills. And then if they were acting
up in class, they wanted to give them riddling. You
know that that drug, right, And I said, no, you
change your curriculum to fit that kid, right, You do
not adjust the kid. And it was mostly kids of
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color and boys sounds about Hispanics and blacks African Americans.
They want to just pop on a pill. I said no,
And that's why this segment and thank you for having
it's plants over pills, because I have a whole thing
about my perception on health, and Joe know this. I'm
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seventy six years old and I don't take a pill
for anything. No, No, most people my age are, they
have high blood pressure, cholesterol is.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
I don't have none of that.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I mean, you still look great though, to you for
seventy six. I mean when you walked in, I was like,
who's that forty seven year old lady walking over?
Speaker 3 (14:33):
With that that you were younger than me.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
I work out.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I work out, water workouts or just regular work.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You can knocket out do most people probably here.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Don't mess with me. I like, I'm telling you it's
I've always exercised. But what I find out as you age,
you really got to.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Do it more.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Because number one, this is what I did, Joe, when
I saw how the aging population was going, I said,
that's not going to be me. And I went that way,
I'm gonna do the opposite of that. I'm gonna get.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Better.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I gotta affirmation I want to share with you. I said,
every day I'm getting more youthful, more vibrant, more healthier,
more wealthier, more energetic, more sexier, more fun as I age,
not the other way around, the deterioration. And what helps
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with that is the total health and well being of
a person.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
You see, I agree.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
You see you have to.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Like I promote cannabis, and when I first got started
in the cannabis industry, it interrupt me if I'm throwing.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Off, no, you're good, I will, but don't worry.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Look, first, I think I should tell you how I
got in that candabs.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well, no, I was about to get there, Like I said,
I wanted to just go down the story of first,
who you are, matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Let's take a break real quick.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
We're gonna come back and find out how Mama Sue
actually got into cannabis because she.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Didn't do it in college. I'm gonna assume you weren't
doing it when you were teaching. I'm gonna roll my
dice and assume you weren't doing it when you were
a principal. Correct.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Maybe not.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
We'll find out when we come back. It's Cannabis Talk
one oh one. Mama Sue's in the building. Baby.
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Speaker 3 (16:48):
Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one on one Laylo folks.
Just hit it and check it out.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Check them out on Instagram at Club Laylo or online
at Clublaylo dot com. I'm sitting here with a beautiful
young seventy six Sue Taylor aka Mama Sue Ambassador over
there at glass House Brand as well.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
We've been hearing the history of your life a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And now to the point where how does this lady
find cannabis who grew up in a family that it
was taboo, It was no, no, no, You's the propaganda
probably got everybody in your head, scoops, especially the movies
that they showed us, certainly on with the reefer madness.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Where is the turning point for you? Mama Sue? How
did God come into your life like this?
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Thank God has already always in my life, right, I
just put it in action. But if someone had told me.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I would be an advocate for cannabis seventeen years ago,
I said, oh, baby, you've been smoking too much. Because
I never would have chosen it. Joe, it chose me.
My son called me he was going to Oaksterdam studying
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it about cannabis.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Oh business venture.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I thought he was hooked on drugs like cocaine. That's
how I thought cannabis was.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And so many people think, you know, he had such
a good like I can see how people think that
way we did.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, a lot of people did we damn near heroin.
I mean, for God's sakes.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Right, trust me, I know a lot of people that
still do that, still thinks.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
That it's dope at all. Dope.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Yeah, And so look when he said so.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
He called me one day I was living in Atlanta
and he said, Ma, I know how you can get
that spiritual center that you've always wanted, you know, all
that reiki stuff, that yoga, that meditation or the acupuncture
Chyle practiced.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
With all that.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
I said, really how? He said?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
It would be funded by a cannabis dispensery. I said,
cannabis is, Spenser, you're talking about that marijuana stuff. He said, yes, Ma,
I've been going to school. I'm learning it's a healing medicine.
It's a healing medicine.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I said, boy, are you crazy?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
I did? I said, where are you learning this? Kind
of where I send him to college? Oh good, I said,
where are you getting this? I've been going to.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
School, I said, okay, he said, and back then it
was it was nonprofit. So the money that you made
in the cannabis, I could hire acupunctures. I could hire
people to do meditation, all of those well being, to
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live a life like.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Like I'm living all of that wellness.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Without popping pills. Huh okay. And so he said it
would be funded.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
That's how we would pay the people, and they would
come by this cannabis. But what's stuck in my head
was marijuana, you know. And so I said, okay, send
me the information that they're sending you, that they that
you that got you interested exactly because this never was
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in trouble, never did any kind of drugs to my knowledge.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Uh, you know. So it was a puzzle to me.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
And so why am my boy doing this?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Exactly? Look this, this is what I I.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Said, Okay, send me this stuff, the information, so I
could I could look at it.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
This is got I put the phone down.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I said, Okay, God, I sent this boy to Catholic
school all his life, he went to college.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Now you tell me you want to sell a weed.
Where did I go wrong?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Within two days, Jill, I packed up everything I had, everything,
I had two suitcases. I said, I'm going to say,
this boy from drugs, I haven't lost him drugs and
all these years, and I'm during sure. I was gonna
try everything right. And so I packed my bags, left
(21:05):
my place, my beautiful place in Atlanta, Georgian bucket of
all places, flew home, and I said, okay. So he
and Kishua, his wife, you know, they was telling me
about the plants, this is how we can do it,
and so I was thinking spiritual center in my head.
(21:27):
The cannabis stuff didn't really I didn't know anything about it,
you know, I had no experience with cannabis.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
And so it went on.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
You know, he made when my son he was growing,
because then back then you could have ninety nine plants.
If you are patient, ninety nine plants you could grow.
So he had to grow with ninety nine plants. That
was legal because it was it was.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
One of the props whatever for the legal for medical reasons,
for medical, for medical, and so now for recreational in California.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Six yes, they cut it down.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Well that's for recreational. Everybody could have six plants. I
don't know what it is for medical, but okay.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Then then he started my son gave us some tapes
to look at.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
You know, he had us like in school, learning about
the cannabis, about how you grow it, and he was
very meticulous about it.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
His name is Jamal.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
We had to shower and put on white coasts when
we went to his luck, to his place where he
was growing the plants. He was that meticulous about it.
And so so I just just trying to ingest this,
you know, trying to see what is.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Right, I said, you know, So.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Anyway, come to find out he wasn't even smoking weed
at that time. But that was the gist of it
and the challenges that we faced in trying to get
a herm a legal permit.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
To do.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
They wouldn't rent to us because we were black, and
they figured we might have been because it was big
when they say warehouse and all that. They wouldn't rent
to them. They wouldn't and so it became very challenging.
People took our money because you couldn't go to the police.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
You could.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, we give people people money to partner with to
do things. No, it went out, went out.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It was just disconnected.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Everything it was.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
They had a lot of people in it for the
wrong reasons.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
You see, and.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
We received in getting going to get the permit. It
was challenging for us because everybody was saying, we just
throw up, you know, just we threw up our cannabis dispensary. Uh,
and we open. We'm making lots of money. I say, yes,
but the rules just aren't aren't the same for us.
We're people of color.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
I said they would. They wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
They wouldn't do much with me, but they would lock
my black son and my black daughter in law up.
You know you could do that because you're white. We're
not white.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
We would have got incarcerated like that.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
And I know, you know because I know I have
the experience of the South of how we would treat it.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
And ain't nothing really changed. I mean, just look at
the stats in facts folks still till this day. I mean, it's.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Twenty twenty three, and the numbers don't lie. We can
think of theories, but the numbers don't lie for the
average black male and the Latino male that's being arrested
for cannabis compared to the whites and anybody else, and
numbers are double, if not triple.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Exactly, you know what they would do when they would
go close the white shops, They'd get a slap on
the hand, they take the weed, and then the company
would just go open up in the next city. What
they did if they were black, they got incarcerated for
thirty and forty and fifty years like they had committed
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a major crime.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
So it was.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So I think a matter of fact, I know why
I was so successful in it. It's because in the movement,
and I've been in for seventeen years and I've really learned.
When I first got in the cannabis, I was scared
to death. Even though I was promoting it, I was
scared to death of it. In the back of my head,
(25:33):
I could remember going into Santa Clara to the Commission
on Aging because I was Commissioner right and I went
in to talk about cannabis to bring them to Harbordside
at the time, because they were guiding us through the
process of getting a cannabis.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Risid is like one of the biggest in open Let
alone of the biggest in California.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It's good.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
They're my mentors. Those are the people I was mentored by,
the d'angelo's, Duncan Derry Goldsberry, just all the Eric Peterson,
all those people way back when that set the stage
for all of us now to be with ease and
grace in the cannabis industry. So I feel honored to
(26:17):
be a part of that of that era, that whole movement,
that whole movement. But nevertheless, I was at I was
at the Commission on Aging to talk about cannabis so
I could talk to the seniors. Right, I'll do a
presentation to the console. And I was scared to death
because I didn't believe it. Then, I'm telling you, I
was frightened. And so I said, oh Lord, I said,
(26:40):
look at all these white people in here. I said,
they're gonna think I'm a druggy from Oakland selling drugs.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I says, why did I let these kids get me
into this?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Then I'm saying this in my head, right, I said,
I shaid, just pack up my little bag and go home.
And then something inside of me said, Sue, you said
you're gonna make this world a better place because you
lived and you were going to do whatever it takes
to do that. And by that time it was my turn,
and I stood up and I said, hello, my name
(27:11):
is Sue Taylor, and I work with seniors and medical
cannabis and I people.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
I was received so well. I was shocked.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
They asked me to come back the next month and
do a whole presentation and I brought James Anthony, the
lawyer and the doctor with me.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
And that's what you have to do if you want
to be reputable. And one of the reasons why I
know I'm so successful in the industry Number one, Joe,
is because I genuinely cared.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I don't have to know you. I don't care who
you are.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Being in pain, living in misery, waiting to die is
no way for anyone to live. And that's where this
country is going to because the pharmaceutical approach to managing
health it's not working because of all the side effects.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Right this pill, that pill. This then's your kiddy, your liver,
your ulcers, you go by it. You're not pooping, you know,
your whole colon's messed up now, Like it's just so
so many things happen from all the different.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Things, from all those different things. And see, one of
the key factors in that is that people my age,
we follow the rules and the law. If a doctor
says it's not God came down hisself and.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Said, take this pill. That's what you need exactly.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
The doctor said, And no, I have no medical background
at all. You know, on a Catholic school principal and
all that stuff. Educated to do all kinds of things.
But I'm not a medical doctor. So I want to
make the whole audience know that. But I have lived
these seventy six years and have a lot of wisdom
(28:48):
about how life works. And so when I began to
see working at Harborside anyway, I worked at Harbside first
for five.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Years as a ten.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
No.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
See, Stephen says, Sue, I want you to come and
lead our seniors need our help in cannabis, and I
want you to lead that program.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
That was all he told me.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
So I said, I want a curriculum backgrounding, like I'll
bob something together. Okay, I did.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
So you know what I did. I figured it out.
I said, Okay, I'm gonna go with all the seniors'
health care providers go monthly. There's a place in every
city where everybody who is administrator or a director or
nurses of senior care facilities, they have a general meeting
(29:38):
once a month where they collaborate. And so I went
there and there's a portion where you stand up and
say who you are.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
And so I would go there talk have a board.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
I want you to come and visit my cannabis dispensary
harborside sign up. People begin to sign up. I got
as many as thirty, forty and fifty people coming in,
and the bus would do the talking about the different products.
They would give the intro. Because I wasn't I wasn't
educated on that was new. And so what changed my
(30:10):
mind about cannabis was year after year, all the people
I saw getting healed from the cannabis. Miss Sue, Miss Sue,
I don't have my walking stick anymore. Adult children of
aging parents to say, we can't find my mom. We
(30:30):
found a wheelchair, but we don't know where she is.
Stories like that. It was nothing I read that Jamal
has sent to me or Kiki had given me.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
It was real anecdotal evidence right in front of you,
to hear it from the mouth.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
I saw it.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I saw it in action, and so I said, huh,
this is something, even though I was still scared of it,
because look, I remember I was at a city council
meeting and I did my own marketing.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
I figured it out. I was.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
I was up against a lot of big time players
in the cannabis industry, a lot of them. And there
was one I forgot the name of it. I think
it was a Sebastian pool. He said, Mama, Sue, you're
running for this. You're going for this permit. I said yes.
In Berkeley, I was going for the permit. I said yes.
He said, I'm going to back out because you deserve it,
(31:25):
you know, and the other heavy hitters that they stayed
in but and they paid all kinds of money to
people to lobby the city council. And I did it myself.
And you know how I did it. I was a
commission on aging, right, I'm a farmer, Catholic school principal.
I called the mayor and the city council the gate keepers, right,
And he said, what do you want to see the
(31:46):
mayor for? What do you want to see Councilman Barry for?
And I said, I want to talk to him about seniors.
I'm a commissioner on aging. And that's how I got
in the door. If ID said Cannabis Think Rightact seventeen
years ago, Oh yeah, hung up, sorry lady. Yes, So
that got me in the door. Always find a way,
(32:08):
find another way to get what you want done.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Right, if you have a kindred spirit, nothing to stop me.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
So you got in there, and then you get the license.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
I got in there, told him I talked about the seniors.
I talked about I was Catholic school principal. I won
their hearts. They saw I was reputable, they saw it
was articulate, they saw I was well educated, and they
saw I cared. So I got in, you know, I
got in mean, they heard me, right, So then with it,
(32:42):
then I hit him with the cannabis. And so it
was hard to deny me then because I'd already set
the stage of who I was, and then I really
wasn't a threat, right, and that I genuinely cared and
anyway I did that, And so we had still went
through all the formality that it took a year almost
to go through all of that. But the bottom line
(33:04):
is that we want it. We want it because we
had a special niche. It was geared to the knees
of seniors.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
And that's great because that's the number one audience that's
going that's the highest demographic that's going into most dispensaries
across the world, the country. I mean, you know, those
are the ones that are going in there realizing what
you're saying, going.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You don't need to be on these pills that much.
You don't need to be doing that like that.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
You can come in here and be educated and figure
out what you can be taking. And it's not necessarily
smoking flower. That's not the key to it. There's so
many other ways of using these rubs, creams, tinksters, and
were going to get into your tinctures that you have,
and I want to get into the story of how
you actually created your dispensary that's in Berkeley, because you're
the first black woman to own a dispensary in the
(33:49):
town over there, which is even more crazier and awesome
and salute to you.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
And I want to hear also when we come back.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Was there a moment that you and I Maybe it
was the moment of the lady saying I don't know
where my cane is because I don't need it, or
the wheelchair, or was it something that you read that
you went, you know what, this.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
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Thank you guys so much for doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We have Mama Sue Sue Taylor in the building with us,
first black.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Woman to own a dispensary in Berkeley, hearing your story.
I could just go on and on and listen to you.
I love it By the way it's like listening to poetry.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It's just so like I'm intrigued, and once again it's
like remind me of one of my aunts or something.
Hearing the stories of life and then to think how
you get into cannabis like that. So hearing that story, Mama,
Sue and I alluded to what where was that breaking
point where you go I believe, believe, believe now it
was not over time because you were scared, you said,
(35:35):
you went to meeting scared. You did even with that,
you know at the beginning you were advocating, but you
were nervous.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I didn't tell anybody I worked in cannabis and got
pissed when somebody say, oh.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
She's the one, Sue, Uh, she works with cannabis pipe down, Yeah,
because I wanted it was I.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Call that in the green closet.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yes, and it was so looked down upon by most people.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
They I saw energy change when when.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
It was I mean, she'll tell the hill to today,
but you know it's loosening up still.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yes, And one of the major stories my son who
also you know, they we co founded that, me and
my son and my daughter in law, and so my
son had a friend that her mom was dying and
she wouldn't eat and where they were losing her. And
she went to my son Jamal, and she said, I'm
(36:28):
losing my mom. I need something to make her eat,
and Jamal got her some cookies for her to eat.
That girl came back a week later, she said, you
saved my mom's life. She's eating. The doctor said, we
don't know what you did, but she's gonna live. I
heard stories after stories after stories when I would go
to places to speak. I remember I went to uh
(36:51):
they invited me to come to humbold County and these
people were raising their hands. They were farmers. I mean
they were regular cannabis farmers. Lady raised her and she says,
we went to the doctor today. You know, my husband
a few years ago was diagnosed with stage four liver cancer.
(37:12):
Today he's cancer free because we made cannabis juices, cannabis
products and healed him. And the man stood up and
it was to you, because you can't make that up.
And I saw stories and stories and stories, but they
had to keep it on the under right, you know,
(37:34):
That's that's the saddest part about it. And then you know,
I said, you know, if anybody can make a difference
with this plant, it would be me because I'm not
a threat. I genuinely care. The only thing I need
to know is just learn. This is what I told
my business partners. I said, look, I can get most
(37:55):
anything done. I just need the objective and the audience.
I'm just going to speak too, and I'll get it done.
And I will and I have and I'm still soaring.
And it's who I am because of my practice that
(38:17):
I do every day. I do a spiritual practice every day,
seven days a week.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
I meditate.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I get in touch with my higher self every day,
and that's how I operate through that. And people, when
I say people, I say, you have to spend time
with your higher self every morning. If you want to
be the best you can be, if you could be
the person you were created to be, if you want
to be all that you could be, you got to
tap into that higher source. I call it source energy,
(38:43):
I call it the universe. You tap into that. And
I do that daily and I get guidance from that
how I maneuver it through that whole cannabis thing. I
prepared the way for me, for myself. But when I
would meet with these people so they could receive me
well and that journey. And I say that is because
(39:07):
what it's true for me is true for you and
for all our listeners. You want any kind of success
in the world, you have to tap into well being.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
You want well being.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
You want to be healthy, vibrant, doing the work that
you came here to do. And Joe, you obviously doing it.
Because when I'm passionate about this now you see. And
I never thought I would come to this point. But
the reason I'm happy, the reason I have a wonderful life,
(39:42):
is because I love the work I'm doing in Cannabis.
I'm loving the people that I'm serving. And it's not
your seniors.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
Now. I have a large.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Youthful following like OGA, and I mean just tons of them,
because I talk to them about the higher self and
who they came here to be. I was listening to
one of your podcasts and they had this guy named
Angel on it.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
It was in June, it.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Was around Father's Day, and he told some stories in
about the cannabis, about the young people. He said, Well,
I was a dropout from college, he said, because I
was smarter than the teachers. And that's really what's happening.
To tell you the truth. The younger people that's coming
on board now, they tap into their spirit out their spirituality,
they tap into their creativity, and they soar. They're not
(40:30):
bored on no job and get a job that they
hate and not doing what they Okay, I have to
say this because it's it's coming to me. Everybody here, Joe,
including you, that's in the cannabis industry. Before you were born,
when you were still in the ethers, you said, I
want to be born at this time to bring these
(40:53):
skills to the world because I can make a difference.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
Many your call. Few do the work.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I love that. That's deep, that's real.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
You see, We and everybody that's providing a genuine service
in the cannabis industry is doing our creator's work, whatever
that is, you know, whatever.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Some make bottles, some make products, whatever, Some speak hosts.
Speaker 5 (41:25):
And every Come here for all the cannabis information.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, come here to learn about the people industry. Because
I don't smoke weed, you know what I mean. I
use oils, tinctures, bottles, rubs, creams, but I'm not sitting
there smoking or joint or hitting a bong.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
I don't use it that way.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I use it for medical reasons myself for my elements,
but I really feel like I use this platform and
my knowledge of how to do a show and how
to present things to the audience so that we could
find out who's who in this industry and who's real
and what they're about. And like hearing your story, Mama Sou,
people can feel you know what you're about, see what
you're about. And now I want to get into your
(42:00):
product that you have because you say you're here to
do something. How did you come up with this product?
And what are we look at here? I know there's
just two skews, right.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
It's it just two tensures and seniors because that was
my focus, right, Actually, that's my my love working with seniors.
They only come to cannabis for two reasons. Most of
them don't want to get high. They want to get well.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
And they want to take all that pain exactly.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
We develop two tensures, one for sleep because they can't sleep.
Are they in pain and anxiety. The Mama Sue Sleep
helps you sleep through the night. It has CBN full spectrum,
it's tenses under the tongue. Don said is from fifteen
to twenty minutes. It's right away.
Speaker 5 (42:53):
It helps.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
I wanted something geared for them especially, but now everybody's
using it.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
The younger people say no, I use it.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I say, good helps.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
It helps you sleep and if you have anxiety or pain.
And so when I partnered with Glasshouse Brands, they says, okay,
we can help make you, help.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
You produce manufacturing. Yes, all of it, all of it.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
I love them. The Kyle h yeah, and so uh.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
They were integral part in making this happen. And there's
another thinking, you know what else it did for me.
Black people many of us don't have legacies because we
grew up poor. But everything was taken from us, you know,
for all the obvious reasons, and so it's rarely. So
teaming up with Glasshouse group allowed me to have a
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legacy for my family.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
It's uh, you know, and especially with black people being incarcerated,
people of color incarcerated. When they come into the dispensary
in Berkeley Pharmacy, Berkeley, you know, they.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
See a picture of me.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
They said, well, all my work wasn't in vain. You know,
we give them pride when they walk in. And before
the pandemic, I had classes. I had a special room
where I educated everybody about cannabis, about what it does,
does not do, if it can benefit you, if it's
for you at all. And then I also tell him,
I said, look, you can't just do cannabis and expect
(44:27):
your whole life to change. I said, you have to
incorporate some other things too. You have to is body, mind,
and spirit. All of it's related. And the cannabis helps
with the spiritual party. It helps you think more creatively.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
It just helps. It heals your body.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
If you're in pain, it helps you.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Yes, And so I saw it as a way to
alleviate some of the pharmaceutical drugs and use the cannabis instead.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
And more and more this isn't excuse me. And more
and more people.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
While using the cannabis, and I tell them, do not
get off your pharmaceutical drugs. If you start using cannabis
and find success, that's your doctor's job. Do not get
off any of your medications unless your doctors say to
do so. After he reads your numbers while you're using
the cannabis, I said, is that clear? So they get
they got They got that very well. And that's very
(45:27):
important point. And so after that with the cannabis, I
done forgot my train of thought. But it's been having
the products have given and having the dispensary give people
of color a sense of pride to say, well, maybe
(45:49):
all of our hard work is not in vain. Here's
some people who were able to do it, and we
weren't equity h applicants. I use my family's money. That's
that's that's what we did. We used cannabis. We used
my family's money to pay for for everything and do
what we needed to do.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
And it's doing good out there. How many years now
it's been open.
Speaker 5 (46:11):
About four four years? Yeah, I think Pharmacy Berkeley.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
You guys, it's spelt a little different. It's not normally
out it's with an F. And I kind of liked that.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I was like, okay, well farmers, Okay.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I get it from farm to Yeah, exactly, So they're
growing it and is your son still.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Growing Oh no, because no, no, no, he only did
that for a little while when we were experimenting. You see,
it was all all of it was firsthand. I mean
seventeen years ago. He had to figure it out, and
he did and then he just told me and kick it.
What to do, and we would go. I said, I said,
what do I need to do? And I go and
get it done what I need to do. I just
did what they told me to do because I didn't
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know what I was doing.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Are you like the big star over there at the
pharmacy spot in Berkeley?
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Mamaseeur he mama.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
It's everywhere I go.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I could see that that great spirit, like, yeah, they.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Get excited when I come, and I'm excited to go
to see people who are following their dream and helping people.
You see, it's very important, especially today people are miserable.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Oh yeah, and not only that you need something like
this because it's nothing better in my opinion, than seeing
an old black woman who to do this because you know,
like we've heard at the beginning of the show, all
the shit you've been through, and it's like you said,
with that one gentleman said, oh mama, see you going
for that applicate. Okay, I'm pulling out like you damn
right that you deserve it. And you know, granted you
(47:34):
you were successful from the hard work you did as
a teacher to a principal and all this stuff, but
that's your heart doing. That's good and you know, praise God,
you're able to get that far in life with the
struggles that you had normally. Anyways, that's why your whole
fan bam moved from the South down to California to
try to create something that great. I mean, maybe it
could have happened out there. I'm not saying it couldn't have,
but you know, great, you.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Said the exact words my mother said. My mother said
those exact words that you just did. I'm moving all
of you because you can have a better life over there.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I mean, that's what I'm thinking. That's what I would think, right.
I look at life that way when I I mean,
I call ball ball to strike a strike, and if
I see something like well, that's that's the way it
was back then there.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
You got to get out of there.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
You know you're right, And look, I want everybody to
know that's listening, especially the young people. If you're working
on a job that you're not happy with, go inside,
connect with the same source that created you, and you'll
be led to what you're supposed to do. If you've forgotten,
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and if you have a dream, if it don't scare
you a little bit, it's the wrong dream. It has
to scare you a little bit.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
That's no.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
That's how you know it's the right dream because one
reason why, see you have dementia and all that kind
of stuff. They're not challenging, challenging their brain. You got
to do different things. Who would ever think Catholic school principal, Now,
my son, somebody say.
Speaker 5 (49:06):
Ain't so selling weed? Ain't so selling weed? I said, no, no.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
No, well kind of you are? I mean you are
selling weed.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Seventeen years ago? Now I did. I wasn't comfortable.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
But now and.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Sue selling more than we. She got concentrates, she got VD,
she got.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
Everything you need, Edible's gummies, everything. Come to the pharmacy
boy in Berkeley. Check her out on I gen Sue
Taylor Wellness. Also Mama Sue Wellness on IG and check
out the website Mama Sue Wellness over there. And I
want to thank everybody at Glasshouse that partnered up with you,
because Marcus is a good brother of mine as well.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Over there.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I love Marcus and Kyle being the CEO of Good Dude. Mama,
is there anything that we forgot that you want to
mention before we let you go?
Speaker 4 (49:48):
Yes, we're doing Marcus and I and Glasshouse Group are
doing a campaign on Plants over peels to help eliminate
the stigma even more to try don't be afraid of
cannabis because it can lead to better health. So the
Plants over Pills movement it's going to go everywhere to
(50:13):
encourage people to make themselves the number one priority and
be the person they came here to be.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Plants over pills baby, And that goes with it.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
While you're eating, what you're grabbing from the store, what
you're grabbing from those fast food spots, it's all.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Hand in hand. Don't just think, oh that means I
gotta just want one week. They also got to eat
better too.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
All of that all that good if you want to
be healthy.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Well, you know her as the Mama Teresa Cannabis. You
also know her as good old Mama Sue Sue Taylor.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
It's a pleasure to have you on the show.
Speaker 5 (50:53):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
And I can't wait to see what's going on next
to seventy six years young and you're still having fun
Cannabis talk one on one.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
If no one else loves you, we do.
Speaker 5 (51:04):
I love y'all too.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
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