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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome the Cannabis Talk one oh one featuring Blue with
Joe Bronde, the world's number one source for everything cannabis.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
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A l yfx dot com. Our guests today now are
a lot smarter than I am. I'm even gonna have
problems explaining to what they do and pharmaceutical chemist this
and that and all this other crap. But I'm very
excited to talk to Robert Sindelaire. Is that correct? Right there?
(01:15):
Did I get your last name right?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Robert Sindelar? Almost there?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, Sindelara.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Robert Sindelar is the chief product officer at seven nine,
where they develop cannabis based pods for the UCA ecosystem.
Robert is the head of product for UKA seven nine Collaboration.
He's a pharmaceutical chemist, educator, product developer, and independent. I
love this huge word right here. If no pharmacologists like
(01:43):
right Like, when I read that one, I literally had
to look that up. I was like, wait a minute,
I'm not going to let that word get by me,
which means, folks, if you're anything like me, like what
the hell is that? He really studies the plants, looking
at what the medicines come out of him, and he's
just a really smart guy like that with Masters in
Organic Chemistry from UC Berkeley. I'm from the Bay Area,
(02:05):
so I can't wait to tap in to Telegraph Street
and talk about getting pizza and buying weed on Hate
and Ashbury crossing the bridge over there. All that fun
stuff he actually developed, which is crazy. I want to
get into a few of them. Put over one hundred
skews in cannabis and the hemp industries. You're gonna check
out the website. Gettuca dot com, g e t o
(02:25):
Oka dot com. Are on Instagram, it's at Oka USA.
And then we also have Paul Dawson, another smarty pants
Chief product officer at air Advanced Inhalation Rituals. They develop
inhalation products and devices now. Paul is a curious innovator
and consumer focused solutionists. Paul's bast previous experience in the
(02:48):
health and wellness categories leads to the developments of new
inhalation devices and rituals. Paul is developing the air purification,
lighting and personal care device portfolio at Dyson. Now check
this out. Not only did that did he do that,
but he's winning a T three Award for IoT purifiers.
So you're winning awards for this. Paul, no wonder why
(03:11):
you're in Dubai right now. You're showing off. He's currently
rolling out, of course, the Ukah right there, and he's
working out new ideas for the next generation. Welcome you
guys to the show. Thank you so much for coming
on Cannabis Talk one oh one. I know we're doing
this via zoom because we have people all around the
world on this and I believe Blue popped in Blue.
Are you going to be able to join us? Are
(03:31):
you just looking like you're online sitting there pretty well,
he's just looking like he's online, sitting there pretty there.
We go there, So welcome guys. Robert, good to have
you here, and Paul, good to have you here. I'll
start with Paul, as I said it first, even though
you were late to the party. Robert, are you from
the Bay Area?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You know, the Bay Area is my home and it's
been my home for some time. I moved out here
in two thousand and seven for graduate school and fell
in love with the place, and then, you know, had
a short stint in South America in between then and now.
But yeah, it's it's where I where I call home.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And let me ask you which I'm going to ask
you both, where does this love come from? To be
this big scientist like this and plants, and I mean,
where did that come for you, Robert? Because to get
a master's in organic organic chemistry and then to be
able to study plants like that and figure out what
they do and how they can help so many people.
Where does that love come from?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
You know, I would say it comes from the heart,
but you know that's a cheap answer.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
The you know, it's actually a good one. When you
said it, I was like, that makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Started young, you know, I had a science fair project,
I think in high school that was the anti cancer
properties of nutmeats and nut shells. So I collected all
kinds of various nuts and lagoons and cracked them open
and did some some garage extractions before they were being
(05:03):
done too much in this industry. And you know, it
was quite successful with that, and kind of fell in
love with what nature has to give us and have
been pursuing it in different forms ever since.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
That's awesome. I just think that people who have backgrounds
like you know, what both of you guys have and
what you're doing, and you guys come into the cannabis industry.
It really takes the cannabis industry to the next level, right,
because it's like it's never had these type of professionals
coming into there and then doing what they do, like
a solutionist like Paul who's originally from London. Now he's
(05:39):
hanging out in Dubai right now, sitting on a floaty
going around a riverpool and he's on this zoom with us,
which is very nice of him to take the time
out of as nice. But Paul, what made you, as
a guy across the pond from us here in the States,
get into inholation.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I think you know we've me It was.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I'd spent a lot of my time at Dice and
thinking about, you know, what I could take out the
air that people were breathing, and the air purification and
what went into your lungs and how your body kind
of processed those those substances was fascinating, And you know,
I certainly thought, you know, halfway through the pandemic, you know,
I fancied a challenge and what great things can I
(06:22):
put in the air that you're breathing that your body
would really find very beneficial. So, you know, working on
Ukkah and and kind of working with Robert has been
fascinating to try and find out, you know, what can
we do and how he can elevate what people are
inhaling and the great things it can do to them.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And with this device. As I look at it in
I've seen Whiz Khalifah talking about it on Drink Champs,
which is a great promo for you guys, phenomenal. Look right,
he's now like one of your spokesman if I'm not mistaken.
That's how I find out about this. He's repping the
the thing. But it reminds me of I wrote this down.
I think it really feels like a hookah meets a cureate, right,
(07:04):
It's like these two things on the next level of
like what it looks like and feels like to me
without touching it and looking at it, And I hate
it if it disrespects you guys, feeling like why would
you dare say something like that? As I look at it,
it's like a hookah style that you could share and
you smoke, but it's vaping and it's so much better.
But it has like these pods. I want you guys
(07:26):
to describe how first off, how do you even come
up with some crazy shit like this? How high were
you Robert when you did you call Paul and said, hey, Paul,
I got this idea. Dude, Paul's all hold on a second.
Tell me again, how do you guys even come up
with something like this to figure out to make something
(07:46):
so elegant, so beautiful, Because, as I say, it looks
like a hookah. It's like the most advanced hookah you've
ever seen. Like, it's just ridiculous. But how did you
guys even start from like the I have an idea?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Well, I think, you know, from the device perspective, we
we you know, I'm sat really kind of in the
Middle East, kind of a spiritual home of traditional cook
of devices, and I think there was some very interesting
problems you can start looking at and solving quite quite
often that they're very difficult to get just right with
the balance of charcoals. You know, people get hurt when
(08:23):
they when they they kind of get burned if they
go wrong. And and really it was an area of
innovation that just had not had any serious advance in
the last six three years. So with the yeah, the
kind of advancement of technology and everything, so well, is
there a better way of doing this? And yeah, I
think we we sat and thought about it some more
(08:45):
and thought, right, you know, there is we can control
the temperature, we can make it really easy for people
to kind of pick up and use and get an
amazing experience. And we can do that, you know, time
and time again with a device that is is so
easy to maintain and so you don't need to be
an expert to use one of these things. So I think,
I think from a device perspective, that's that's kind of
(09:05):
how we set out to do. And then, of course,
you know, partnering with Robert, you know that it just
really started to kind of blow up an amazing way
the kind of things that were possible.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
How long does it take though to come up with
something like this? Like you guys, so you're out in
the Middle East, and of course hookah's big there, it's
big in the States to who we kidding. I love
to go get some hookah here and there, and I've
done it for years and all around the world. Right,
But it's like, as you see that and you think
of that type of culture and then you think, wow,
this can cross over because let's just face it's like
(09:38):
going to get Mexican food. Mexicans don't just get Mexican food.
Everybody gets Mexican food. Everybody can go get a hookah.
Everybody can go get one of these ucahs? How long though,
before you guys go, this would be a great thing
to make and then take me on that like length?
Was it five years? Was it a ten year? Was
it a two year?
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
What's that plan from we have an idea to now
you have this beautiful machine piece. I mean a borderline
looks like art too, you know what I mean. And
it's so cool looking that I kind of just want
one to have just because it's like, oh this is cool.
You know, you need to have one and just to
share and whatever. But what's that time period look like?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, I mean it took us a little over four
years to bring this to market, many many prototypes, and
it for it for me, it was really about you know,
trialing and error, you know, testing, refining, you know, and
we've done a lot of home trials, a lot of
a lot of user trials where we've gained this valuable
feedback and even you know, halfway through totally how to
(10:40):
rethink and strip back what we've done and started again,
you know, based upon what we've learned. So I think,
you know, it starts with that concept. You know, you
always have to try something out, you know. Is it
just us that are thinking like this, or or do
customers really want to do this? And do they share
the same frustrations we think we share and so on?
And then yeah, it's just a kind of iterative process
(11:03):
of getting it right and learning.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And then you're kind of going on that.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Journey and when you start doing home trials and people
are saying, yeah, is the best thing ever, And I
can't believe if this is here right now, you know,
you're onto a great product and that's when you want
to try and launch and share with the rest.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Of the world. Four years in the making, Robert, are
you happy it took that long? Are you upset it
took that long? Is it something that frustrates everyone when
it's like, why don't we have it down yet? Are
Everything is a process and it is what it is.
How does it feel for you?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Well, everything is a process, you know, and some processes
take longer than others, and it really depends on what
you're trying to do with it. And you know, I
don't think the you know, the air group with UKAH
or you know myself in our group with seven nine,
would want to put anything out there that we would
not be proud to share. The pod developments, you know, those,
(12:05):
I think the very first prototype that I made for
the project was two and a half years ago. So
two and a half years ago the very first cannabis
pod for this ecosystem was made. And you know, to
have gone through all the iterations between then and now,
including you know, massive changes in the California regulations last
(12:29):
year at the end of last year and so forth.
You know, we had to to re envision quite quite
a few things and that. But you know, we have
a really nimble and ambitious team and you know, made
from cannabis veterans as well on our side of seven nine.
And I couldn't be prouder today, honestly, with with the
product that we've been able to put out there. And
(12:50):
guess what, Joe, there's a whole lot I mean real,
so yeah, absolutely, we have a very active pipeline. There's
a whole of more products that you'll be seeing some
of them this year coming to the UKA that you
can have because you can buy it today, Joe, I
think today's the.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
First that you can conduct already. Well, what is it?
Let's take a break real quick. We're gonna come back.
We're gonna find out what everybody out there can get,
because if you haven't checked it out right now, go
to their ig Uka What is it? Yuka USA? If
I'm not mistaken, which is O O K A U
s A dot com? And listen to Whiskalifa say himself.
(13:32):
He says, it's so elegantly, it's the best thing ever.
It's so technology. It's like you're hitting a bait. I love.
I watched it like three times, but wow, he was
really into it. I bet you will be to go
get yourself one. It's Cannabis Talk one on one. We'll
be right back after this break.
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We got Robert and Paul the duo on the team
right here from Uka who made it happen. Captain Robert,
you gave us a little tease more things are to come.
(14:26):
What is more? Please give me.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
We see this Joe as a one device to serve
as many as possible, right and it's it's almost the
you know, choosing the right order of serving. So we're
launching with more benefit led pods, you know, pods that
we'll get you in the right vibe, you know, help
get you into that place of zen zone in if
(14:54):
you have things to do. You know, these these these
type of things, and we really rely.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Different cannabis in the pods and using different stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
They're all fremium whole flower pods, and you know, with
this we work with strained specific inputs and uh you know,
we can blend some CBD flour with some THC flower
and so forth to get a cannabinoid ratio that would
lend itself to having the type of effects that we want.
And then we also have a very uh strong terpene
(15:28):
profile in the products and these also help support the
effects you know, with the ensemble or entourage effect as well.
Let's give it it's it's it's uh telltale flavor characteristics too.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
That's amazing. As you say all this with the pods,
and as you're describing this, and you said you've had
to change so much in the last segment because of California.
Are these UCA products and pods only available in California
right now.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Currently? Yes, so all the cannabis based pods are are
manufactured and being sold here in California in the compliance system.
And however, there are tea based pods available, you know,
outside of the seven nine brand that are are non
(16:16):
caps and also don't contain any tobacco. It's kind of
like an inhalable tea, and those are also becoming available
this year.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
So now, just how do you guys describe it? I
gave it my description, right like I've kind of described
what I look at it when I think of it.
I gave it my analogy. How do you guys describe
it to your friends and people?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I mean, we I think we know we rebrainstormed this hard,
and we've described it as one portal but many worlds,
and I think really that kind of captures the escape
that people, you know, want in their inhalation. And you know,
and I think, you know, just to mention the kind
of base pods that we've we've launched. It's under a
(17:03):
brand called Zodiac. You know that that really is a
fantastic way I find at the end of the week
just to wind down and relax and just sitting you
think about your breathing, You enjoy the flavors, you enjoy
the whole experience, and the best part is you can
share it very easily with friends. So I think I
think for me, it's it's that kind of portal to
(17:23):
met to a world, you know, where you can just
sit and have some quality time, you know, contemplating, thinking
of new product ideas, and you know, coming up with
the meanings to many many questions in life.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
And how long does a pod usually last? How many
hits usually can we get out of there? I know
it very well. I don't know if it is it
sucking or is it pushing out.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It's yeah, so you know, counter to a lot of
heat not burned devices that exist in the market, you
power it with your own lungs. So in this case,
it's it's really used very similar to what a hookah
use case would be like the pods. All the pods
that are part of our launch portfolio are controlled by
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a near field communication chip in the pod. And this
is actually one of the real amazing technologies that's been
advanced with this UKA conversation, and that is the pod
has the intelligence and it tells the device what to do.
So you know, what we do is we craft in
our long experience that you can pause and come back to,
you can even turn it off and come back to
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and still have an hour of active use throughout that
you can share it with up to four people. And
we're also looking at you know, longer and shorter pods.
We're looking at, you know, a lot of ways to
innovate with the with the power of the tech that
we've integrated within the pod itself. And the coolest thing
about this though, Joe, is we're actually able to at
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the manufacturing level of the pods, optimize that program to
every single batch, so you won't have to update your
device because we're updating it for you a batch of
pods we make.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's interesting. So then you guys, then and I'm just
curious on the business side of it, because you've come
up with the UKA is that. Now the other brand
that you were saying, the cannabis brand that you guys
are using to put the cannabis in and this is
your guys's own cannabis brand as well.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Correct, correct, So that's seven nine, that's our brand, right.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So seven nine Cannabis is the legal cannabis brand that
you guys are putting into the Ukah. And nobody else
yet has the propriety to make pods yet, and you
can't just grab everybody else's cannabis or anybody else's or
can I go to bed Bath and Beyond and buy
my own pods and you know, fill them up with
(19:47):
my own weed? Yet? Is that gonna happen?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Not yet, Joe, not yet. But right now, you know,
there's a number of reasons right for this. It's it's
the first unveiling of this tech. One of the joys
of working on this project with air has been you know,
there's a toxicology department behind this, there's advanced airsol studies
(20:11):
behind this device from a product safety perspective, and there's
also the experience that we want to curate for for
the user. So a lot of times in shisha Hu Kashisha,
you know you'll have a shisha master that mixes the
tobacco for you, changes the amount of charcoal, you know,
changes the amount of air that comes through, all to
give you this consistent optimize experience. So we don't expect
(20:35):
everybody to be a shisha master or hookah master, you
know at home advice this device, which is why we
made it. But you know, the program on the device
itself is that master for you. So you know, as
we continue to adapt it to new formats things like this.
You know, we're looking to open it up to two
more materials, to more brands, and we're actively working on
(20:58):
some collaborations and as we speak that aren't ready to
be disclosed, but everybody's going to be really excited about then.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I think it sounds amazing, it looks amazing, and as
you said that, a couple of questions. I want to
hear the answers to can it spill because it looks
like it can't, but I don't know for sure because
it looks like a base in a vase, as you know,
But this base looks like it has a top. But
is there a leaking point? If the idiot that is
smoking and drinking trips are they're coming up with food
(21:26):
and it knocks over because first off, can it spill.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Kind of spell.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
I mean, we ask people to be careful around it,
but we've designed it in a way that it is robust.
You know, we've done a lot of robust as testing
on this. I think if you you knock it over
as well the device switches off, you might get a
little water spillage, but you're not going to get the
whole tank coming out all in one go. But yeah, we,
as Roberts said, you know, safety really is what we've
(21:54):
been designing this with in mind, not from just from
an inhilation perspective, but also you know product safety two.
We've got rid of that charcoal that is, uh it
was quite quite dangerous to have in your home, and
would replace it with a system that that you know
it when it senses your you've accidentally knocked out over,
it switches itself off and waits for you to write
it up before it will start again.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You know, I hate to say this, but I used
to have friends that used to hookah in the car
when they're driving up and down from Big Bear this
and that, right, And I mean, dude, I'm just saying
I know a few people right that that have done
this and this device. When I seen this device, I'm like,
this is the type of device these guys need now
because that was my Willip's built a little bit cool
(22:36):
because they've been hookahing in their cars forever when they're
going on long road trips, and I'm like, dude, you
need a device like this ukah so that you could
just drive and roll. Not that you know it's it's
not a bad thing if you're going to drive with
an ukah. I'm sure there's people in the passenger. I'm
not encouraging to drive and smoke one, but you know,
if you're in the back seats of the suv or
(22:57):
the car and you want to utilize this, it looks
like it gonna work great. The heat on top, I'm
just curious. Obviously, you put the pot on the top
of the uka looks like it's slut shuts down and snaps.
I was trying to find a video online or something,
but I'm just assuming that's what it does. Is there
a heat or anything on top of that that I'm
(23:18):
gonna field my hands.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
You will feel it's warm, but you know it's not
dangerous heat you know, So it's everything about the oven
inside inside is buried in there. We've we've packed it
around insulation so that heat doesn't escape, and all of
it goes into the pod itself, you know. So you
can pick this up when it's when it's it's on,
and you can move it around, you can place it
anyway you want, and you know, it's much much safer
(23:44):
than having a kind of open coal sat on top
of a sheesha heunit especially, And I wouldn't condone driving
with it, but I imagine it would be a bit
safe to have in a car with your passengers.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
We're using it.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lower I tell my friends not
to do. But you know how that goes. I'm sure
you have some friends like that too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, there's some people that have requested one that fits
into a cup holder, although I cannot confirm that that's
actually in the active pipeline.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
So dude, it's so true though, Robert, think about it, like,
I mean, I look at this and I just go, wow,
this could be so amazing in the car like that, right,
And it's just a convenient we I mean, I was
talking to a cop buddy of mine just literally the
other day and he goes Joe when people are smoking joints,
I gotta bust him because you're just smoking. He's like,
you're just the same rules about drinking and drive. So
(24:36):
and I go, do what you gotta do. That's part
of the game, right, Like that's what you're doing. I
get it. And it's the same thing here, you guys.
I'm not encouraging or or implying that's what you should do.
I'm just saying we all do it. None of us
drive the speed limit anyways. Either we all go over
it and you risk getting a freaking ticket. It's the
same thing. So you know, I'm guilty of it. I'm
sure you listening you're guilty of it. But uh, I
(24:58):
just look at this product and think of the consumer
and how the consumer may be like, wow, this could
be the next best thing. You know. Whether you make
it for a cup holder or not, that's not your
problem if they put it in there. I got a
cup holder on my couch at home that I could
put it in my couch cup holder as well, so
you know there's other cup holders rather than just the car.
And I literally do have one of these couches that
(25:18):
haves a cup holder right next to it, so it
would make total sense to have that and you're sitting
there with your spouse and you're enjoying it. A couple
other questions I have about this random thing, the cleanup?
How easy? How hard is it? Come all apart? What
is that about? How long does it take? Is it
a thirty minute process? Is it a can it go
in the washers? Are the how do you clean it? Period?
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Well?
Speaker 5 (25:43):
I think yeah, first of all, it's super easy to clean.
We recommend whenever you finished the podch you take it out,
you put it to one side it's hot. We include
some tongs to kind of grab the pot out so
you don't burn yourself or or you don't risk any
burn there. And then we you know, we supply with
the rush allows you to clean the product when it's cool,
(26:04):
so you can get rid of any residues and any
kind of flavors that's going through. You wouldn't put it
in a dishwasher, it's it's not you know, it's not
for the dishwasher to it's an electronic device. They don't
tend to like being dishwashed. But you know, we we
just it's really, really easy maintenance. You know, kind of
warm soapy water on a cloth, don't You don't get
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it wet, but you get it damp and you just
wipe it down, clean it out, and then you're ready
to go again.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And if I'm not mistaken, didn't, I.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Would say wait for it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It's not like you're putting in some double D batteries
in there, right, it's a chargeable type like your phone.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, it's fully chargeable. From that.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
You'll get three or four sessions, depending on what you're
what you're using. And I think just to your point
about you know, kind of taking anywhere. We've even designed
a little backpack that can hold all of your UKA
paraphernalia and you can put it on your can.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
You can take it for the big walks in.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
The countryside and sit and relax and just enjoy nature and.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Make it to this use Oka. Yeah exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Oh how cool. Go see Robert and go to the
Bay Bridge and just hang out there right there on
the Marketdaro. Wait from the other side. Hi, Robert, im
over here. Oh it's so cool to have Bay Area
folks are here. We're gonna take a break real quick.
We're gonna come back got the high five and some
more questions and answers on this new Uka product. You
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guys check it out online yourself. If you think I'm
joking or smoking, you'll see I'm not. You guys, this
thing is really really cool. For the next ideas that
are coming out, we're gonna find out what they got.
Go to the website. G E. T O O KA
dot com. Are on Instagram at oh Oka USA. It's
Cannabis Talk one on one. We'll be right back after
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Robert and Paul from UKA so grateful to have you
guys on to learn about this product. The cleaning simple,
The charging can last about three How long does it
take to actually charge it?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Though?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Paul is it a whole day process in a couple hours,
because I'm just thinking we're having a party. We've gone
a few sessions, and damn it, now you're probably at home.
You can probably just charge it while you're using it,
couldn't you.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yeah, I know, which is under that.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
So I think the first time we ask you to
charge it up fully, you know, we let you to
leave it for a long while, just to like sports.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Right the way up to the top before you first
use it.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
But you know, three or four hours and you're right,
you know, if you're going to extend your session and
you have you know, you're kind of really getting into
the vibe and you're, you know, really chilling out on
the things that Robert's providing you.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Then I think, you know, you can plug it in.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
It comes with its power supply and it'll last all day.
So you know, we've got two modes. You can run
it portable or you can plug it in and it'll
it'll just go on, you know, for for a long time.
I think it will out last you in a session, Joe.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I'm sure it will. These pods, what are we looking
at in the pods? Is it an eighth Is it
a half gram. Is it a great? Like what what
is it that usually goes in a park?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, now that's that's a great Everybody wants to know,
right and we all we all know that we want
to know what's what's inside things, you know, in cannabis.
So you know with this, the closest thing to kind
of benchmarket too is a large pre roll, so it
has the same amount of cannabis flower that would be
betwe between a one and a one point two five
grand pre roll per pod, except for you know, the
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difference here is you know, it's it's engineered and designed
to run a program for an entire hour on that
amount of cannabis. So it's really like leaning in participating,
setting back, you know, passing it to somebody else, and
and really having it as a as a centerpiece of
your experience that really provides this kind of like social lubrication,
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if you will. It's it's it's quite magnetic, you know
when it's when it's in the center of a table
and you know, uh, it's it's hard to argue with
the effect that it has on people.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And as you say that, with the effect can you guys,
and I don't know if you can. You know, I'm
not saying elude it's healthy, it's this and that. But
isn't it fair to say that smoking out of an
ukah would be safer than smoking a joint or a
blunt because it's the vaping or is there anything you
guys can say to that?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Now, that's that's a great question, and and you know,
something difficult to answer these days when it comes to
health claims and so forth. But I'll do my best
with this. The you know, what I would say is
it's it's not combusting your material, right, and it's also
not burning coal that you're also inhaling. You know, some
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some molecules from that process as well, you know when
you use traditional hookah. So with that, you know, I
wouldn't expect to see carbon monoxide being formed and these
other things. We do have a fairly robust testing program
behind this, and you know, from that data, I would
say that, you know, it's it's it's looking quite optimistic
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in terms of being an alternative for health health conscious individual.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well, I don't know if you guys know this, but
I just came up with six reasons why ukah is
actually revolutionary and people should pick it up. It's a
can nient. It's clean, it's social, it's rechargeable, it's portable,
and it's easy. I don't care if I read the website.
I came up with it right now. I really like
what you guys are doing. I mean, even the look
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of it is just so I want to say sexy,
right because the shape of it, and it's like a
sexy vase and let alone state of the art. The
tube that goes in is it an easy come out?
Is that a when you guys were making that, how it?
Because when you see some hookahs and it doesn't look
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as big as or thick as as some of the
other hookah pipetime I'm used to smoking, it looks a
little smaller. And I don't know if it's rubber, I
don't know what is that material right there that's on
the hose that's going into the actual base.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
It's a it's a silica material. Very it's very similar
to a standard hookah hose. In fact, that's that's how
we source that. But yeah, I think for the overall
design aesthetic that we were aiving for, we wanted to
try and pay homage to kind of more tradition or hooker,
but we also wanted to bring it, you know, Slap
Bang Ride up to date, you know, for this century.
So I think, you know, we I think I think
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we've achieved that people know and look at it and
see what it is, and I think people get really
intrigued and they want to kind of touch it and
they want to kind of interact with it because of
its shape is so inviting to kind of just want
to grab hold like a trophy or a chalie, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
So, yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Spend a lot of time on the materials. As as
Robert was saying, you know, we we we wanted to
make sure everything that we use is thoroughly tested beforehand.
We've got our own toxicology team to make sure that
as these things are being heated up, they're not giving
off anything nasty, they're not giving up anything you know
it could be can smell or taste and really kind
of just focusing on your inhalation and that's that's. Yeah,
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every every single piece of this product has been designed
and tested with that in mind.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, this right here took four years. Is it going
to take another four years for you guys to bang
out another amazing product like this? Because This is fricking phenomenal.
I mean even I'm staring at scrolling through the website
right now and I'm looking at the beach, and I
was wondering why I said take it to the beach,
because I think this picture subliminally like told me, you know,
I need to take it to the beach because it
looks so cool out on the beach right here in
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one of these pictures of them smoking. What's next for you, guys.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Well, I mean that we've we've got two or three
devices in the pipeline right now. I'm not going to
be able to tell you anything about those, I'm afraid, Joe,
but I'm super excited to be working on them. You know,
we are trying to revolutionize and disrupt all the categories
that we want to address. I think, you know, gives
us that opportunity right now. And my job really is
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to try and find those future moments that we can
really get into good understanding from and bring better things
to those experiences in the future. So I'm really sorry,
but you know, I can't tell you, but.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
The fact that you're working on the next generation of ideas,
and that's always awesome that you're doing that one random
thing that I wanted to ask you, Robert before we
do the high five with you guys, is as you're
the biggest word I've ever pulled out of my ass,
the ethno pharmacologists, what are some simple tips that you
can give some of us out here that are like
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instead of this, why don't you just go pick this berry?
Added in that, like, is there anything random remedy that
you can think of that you go? Man, most people
don't know, but this is how I would treat the headache.
This is how I would treat whatever. You can simply
just do this. As I'm wondering, maybe you have a
solution for it because you have this Masters in Organic
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Chemistry from UC Berkeley and you're just so into the
I watched the whole video on informacologists, so that's why
I was like, maybe he has something that I can
utilize or some random tip? Is there one that you
have that you can give everyone?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
You know, what I encourage everybody to do, honestly is
get to know your local flora. Go on a nature walk,
go on a medicine or edible plant walk. Find out
what's near to you because it's different everywhere. I spent
a good number of years in immersive experiences in South America,
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in the jungle and in the mountains, learning you know,
what it was like there, and you know, these are
people that have a very rich history of medicinal plants,
and we often forget our own rich history of medicinal
plants right in our backyard. And you know, I would
say learn the poisonous plants first before you learn the
edible ones.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Just in case.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
But you know, there's there's there's wonderful plants there. They
often like look like what they're supposed to be used for.
That's a beautiful thing about nature as well. You know,
when we had a lab at two miles in altitude
in a mountain in Peru, we used to make a
headache remedy for everybody that would arrive there with altitude sickness. Unfortunately,
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one of those plants you can't really use here in
the US, which is the coca leaf, but every other one,
Gualana lavender and several of those that are indigenous to
that area make a wonderful tonic for migrains or headaches
if you suffer from them like I have.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
In my past, that's awesome. And because when you look
at that. And that's always been the one thing about
cannabis that I've always been so intrigued about. Meaning, you know,
it's the one plant and correct me if I'm wrong, please, Robert.
But I've learned and heard it's the one plant that
we still don't know. It's infinile of what it can
still do. Mostly every other plant we know and every
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pharmacist and everybody else are using it for those great purposes.
But it's like the indocannablinoid system. We don't know everything
yet that this cannabis plant can do.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, we don't know what we don't know, Joe. And
that's something we always have to remember. And I always
call it the you know, it's it's a laboratory in
its own. It's a development laboratory in its own, this plant.
And there's no plant that I've seen that has as
pliable genetics or phenotypes as as this plant does. And
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we're discovering new things about it every day. And guess what,
it's a teacher. It's teaching us about our own body.
The indocannabinoid. This opened up our eyes so much to
how you know, enzyme networks in the body actually work.
That we're learning things about our own biology simply through
this plant. And I think that's just just quite remarkable,
you know.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
And it's guys like you and when we talk like
I love going to different you know, seminars and this
and that, especially when we're broadcasting and talking to these
scientists like yourself and biologists and chemists and that, because
you just and for me personally, I look at the
plant that way, right, I look at it strictly one
hundred percent of medicine. I don't. I don't even smoke
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cannabis recreationally anymore. I've been sober twenty four plus years.
I use a bunch of products, CBD's this and that,
but I don't smoke weed, you know what I mean,
Like that's not my get down anymore. But I'm cool
with people who do. But I really and that's the
reason why I did this show, because i'd hip surgeries
and started using products that I was like, oh, I
don't know about cannabis. Man. I was that guy at first, right,
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I don't know, and then I started learning, and now
I'm here we go hosting the show and it's turned
one hundred and seventy nine different countries because I'm like,
we're signed to our heartmedia because why because this plan
is unbelievable how much it can do for people and
guys like you that research it and look into it
and then create ways to utilize it and maybe even
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a safer way, right, So you're ingesting this in a
safer way, So folks go out there and support these cats.
This Ukah looks amazing. I can't wait to get one
in the office and get a backpack and walk around
and take it to the beach and do everything else
that I see on the beautiful website right there. But
we're gonna do the high five with you, guys. I'll
ask the question. It'll be the same question. Robert you
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can answer first, Paul you can go next, or either
way go back and forth. Question number one, how old
are you the first time you smoked cannabis and where
did you get it from?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I'll take this one first. I'm not sure how old
I was when this happened, but I know that I
know that I didn't get high the first time, which
I think is a lot of people's common experience. And
Dave definitely was passed me by a friend.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Where were you living? Where were you at.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
You know, if I were to tell you that, I
might get myself in some trouble, but you.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Don't even want to say, I'm marry that's great, Paul.
What about you?
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Well, it's this one's really easy. For me.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
I was a year younger than I am right now,
and I was sharing an experience with Robert.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
That's oh really, your first time smoking was with Robert.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
The first legal time, Yes, the first.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Well, there it is. That's a good bond to have.
What's your favorite way to use cannabis?
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Oh, for me, it's going to be okay.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
I'm I'm not a heavy smoker, but the smoothness is
really really easy to inhale. It's very relaxing and and
because I'm a complete beginner, you know, it's just, you know,
I don't have to think about about too much about
the science. I just have to press the button and
drop a pod and press the button.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
That makes it easy.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
What about you, I don't know if I have a
favorite method of consumption. To be honest, if it's in elation,
you know, I would have to say say that the
UGA as well, But I think there's there's value in
all ways to administer cannabis, and it really depends on
what you're looking for. You know, gas intestinal issues can
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be addressed, but that typically isn't addressed well with inlation,
so you know ingestion would be the best for that.
So it's it's really to each their own, you know.
I think you find your own way, you titrate with
your own body, and it empowers you know, the patient
or consumer or user, however you'd like to describe the person,
you know, to be kind of master of of their
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own process with it. And I think that that's that's
that's a blessing to it, you know.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
To everyone.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Funny when you say that I had ankle surgery last
year and I was using a ton of cannabis products
and it was when I was ingesting them that it
was helping the most with the pain, you know, the
liquids and the eating and just the edibles and uh
and it didn't get me quote unquote high. It just
helped relieve me with some pain. So it's so funny
how exactly you got to find out what you're going
to use it for and how to use it? Question
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number three of the High five Robert go ahead, what's that.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
We have a pod for that too.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
The pain pod.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Oh, I may need that.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
One craziest place you ever used cannabis or smoked are
hooked up to ukah and lit it up.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Oh for me, it was a It was recently. We
spent this this about a month ago. We were over
at Coachella. I just remember having a kind of clear
moment a vision at at two am in the morning.
One of the I think was the Sturdy Oasis party,
and you know, just just imagining the kind of music,
the people, the vibe.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
It's gonna be one of my forever of memories.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Oh, just to collectic. That sounds awesome. You just took
me there mentally. I was like right there with you
when I said that that was awesome. I've been there
a bunch of times.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
What about you, Robert, Uh, You know, I don't think
much in this world is crazy, including like where I
would use cannabis, But a lot of other people think
things I do are crazy. I'd probably say most of
the places, you know, whether it's high in altitude or
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under the water. You know, there's been some interesting times
in my exploration of this particular well, they call a master.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Plant, right the master plant has gone everywhere with Robert.
Question number four, the high vibe. What are your go
too munchies after you get high?
Speaker 4 (43:59):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (43:59):
Well, yeah, I think embarrassing, I think. I think it's
gonna be chips and eminem's. It's a very strange combination,
but it works for me and sweet.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
I get it. It's you know, it's actually not that
that crazy if you think about it. Salty and sweet
is a big combo right there. What kind of chips.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Though, pring goes? I'm afraid.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I like that with some ranch or some Oh let's go.
You're getting me hungry there, Paul, What about you? Robert?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I'm gonna be a bit redundant here. I would say
chips also fall into my category. But I like the
salty and sour you know, you know, I like the
bitter medicines. So you know, for me, it also have
to have a dip. No good chip goes goes, you know,
it goes without a depth.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
So I mean, and if you could pick one, because
chips and salsa are might go to but if you
had to go chip and dip, what chip and what dip?
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Oh? What a great question. Salt and vinegar, chips and
right there, bitchin sauce Chipotle flavor.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Dude, I have some right now in the kitchen. That
bitch and almond sauce is the best. Oh down, it
is so good.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
And sometimes I take a little bit of cheese on
the chip too with that. You're gonna like that if
you do.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh man, that is so funny. My wife is a
salt and vinegar one, so we you normally will have
some of those ships here at the house, and we
always have the bitchen sauce, no matter if that one
or the cilantro one or just the normal one. But
oh I love when Costco sells the variety pack of those.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Oh but the one here in Richmond, in the Bay
Area it started finally selling the big Chipotle ones.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
So that's we have the big one. Our Costco where
I live has the big one. I have the big
one because I got it at Costco, of the exact
one that you just mentioned. So that is so funny.
Almost hold on, let me go get mine question number
five of the High five with the gentleman who creates
these masterminds. Ukah. You got to check it out, you
guys online. Go pick yourself up one if you could
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smoke cannabis with anyone dead are alive. Who would it
be and why?
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Well, I think for me, probably sleeve jobs. I think
i'd be really to know what he was thinking about
the technology we're pushing into this category. And you know,
I'd like to think he could sit back and you
kind of really understand what we were trying to achieve.
And yeah, he tried to change the world a few times.
I think that's what we're trying to do with this device.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yes, that's awesome to hear you say that, because that's true, Paul.
Let me think about it. I mean, he's I'm sure
you both have iPhones, for God's sake. I know I
have one. I'm on my Mac right now recording this.
You're right, What about you, Robert?
Speaker 3 (46:51):
You know, since we'd likely be smoking out of an ukah,
you know, i'd probably have three friends with me. Oh,
you know, and if we're doing it that way, then
you know, I would say, let's go. Carl Sagan, I
think he wrote something about his love of cannabis sometime
(47:12):
in his history, called mister X or something like that.
Carl Sagan, Francis Crick, you know, one of the credited
people for the discovery of DNA structure. Also an advocate
of of psychedelic materials as well.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
From what I understand, Master Snoop Dogg and Snoop was
that and Snoop huh.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Snoop and if we could fit one more in. You know,
I want to avoid typically talking about religious figures, but
I would I would smoke with Jesus.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
That's always my go to when it's like, who are
you smoke about? I mean Jesus. Who else would this? Yeah,
I mean i'd call him as Susan say I heard
you're a dope carpenter for my Jewish buddies. But let's go.
Let's kick it. And not only that, you kind of
have the hair there, Robert, you're very Jesus is per
the logo. Matter of fact, it even looks like that
movie Jesus Revolution. You look like you were on that movie.
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Did you guys see that movie yet? To go check
it out talking Netflix? Honest, you really need to see
it because it's kind of everything you just described, meaning
not like so much Lucien as the guy, and it's
from the Bay Area and that he was from the
Bay Area, moved to southern California, and uh, the dude
(48:32):
was the hippie time that during that era, and he
basically falls in love with the pastor and then Jesus
and the church and starts bringing that whole hippie community,
hence the Jesus Freaks movement, right, and it was like
that type of movement movie. But he shows how he
talks to them, and then one of the best lines
where you know, we're all over here, on all these
(48:52):
old on all these drugs, We're all looking for this high.
This is the high we've been looking for, so come
to the church. It's really you know, that's kind of
like the moral of the story, but it's a real
life story to where I was, like, I watched it.
I was so surprised. One of my buddies posted on
ig and as you just mentioned, Jesus, I'm like, dude,
I had no idea Jesus Revolution. I would even click
(49:13):
on it right when I see it. I'm like, I
watch them whateverever. I mean, I love the Lord, don't
get me wrong, I'm a Jesus man, but I'm not
gonna watch the movie. I have nothing about it. And
now I'm preaching about it all the time, Like dude,
everybody should watch this movie. It's really cool because it
was actually really a cool movie. It wasn't so much
Jesus freakish, didn't I don't know, it didn't make me
feel like, oh, here we go because I hate the
preachy preachies, you know what I mean. I love the Lord,
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but let's just you know, let's just keep it cool.
That all being said, you guys, last big question I
got is what is this retailling for? What are the
people hitting in the wallet to get something like this?
And the pods? I'm sure it's separate things. And are
there accessories? I know there's a backpack. What am I
out the door looking at when I get one of these?
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Well? Right now, you know, if you're one of the
early adopters, you can get the device and a full
set of the pod products. That's all five different benefits,
two packs of each. So ten pods for three ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
That's not bad. That's not bad at all, So three
ninety nine. And then the last one that I have
for you guys is I feel like it's like a hooker.
But why Ukah, where did the name? How did the
name come about?
Speaker 4 (50:26):
Well, that's a tricky one.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
I think it might have come about from a let's say,
a late night brainstorming session, you know, fueled by some
of Robert's creations.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
But we wanted something easy.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
To remember, and obviously, you know, kind of has a
little bit of a kind of homage to its roots.
So ye, yeah, I think we can't give our secrets
away of how we like to brainstorm. But you know,
that's that's a fairly close representation of what happens.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
I'm sure it was.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
And dips everyone, there are two chips and dips everywhere,
Chips everywhere.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Well, guys, before I let you go, is there anything
else that you guys want to talk about? Our mentioned
about the product before I let you guys get on
out of here.
Speaker 5 (51:08):
I think it's super great to be on the show, Jo.
I hope you go check it out. I hope your
listeners go check it out as well. I'd be super
happy for them to have an experience and share it
with all their friends.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
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a lot smarter than I am. I'm even gonna have
problems explaining to what they do and pharmaceutical chemist this
and that and all this other crap. But I'm very
excited to talk to Robert Sindelaire. Is that correct? Right there?
(01:15):
Did I get your last name right?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Robert Sindelar? Almost there?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, Sindelara.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Robert Sindelar is the chief product officer at seven nine,
where they develop cannabis based pods for the UCA ecosystem.
Robert is the head of product for UKA seven nine Collaboration.
He's a pharmaceutical chemist, educator, product developer, and independent. I
love this huge word right here. If no pharmacologists like
(01:43):
right Like, when I read that one, I literally had
to look that up. I was like, wait a minute,
I'm not going to let that word get by me,
which means, folks, if you're anything like me, like what
the hell is that? He really studies the plants, looking
at what the medicines come out of him, and he's
just a really smart guy like that with Masters in
Organic Chemistry from UC Berkeley. I'm from the Bay Area,
(02:05):
so I can't wait to tap in to Telegraph Street
and talk about getting pizza and buying weed on Hate
and Ashbury crossing the bridge over there. All that fun
stuff he actually developed, which is crazy. I want to
get into a few of them. Put over one hundred
skews in cannabis and the hemp industries. You're gonna check
out the website. Gettuca dot com, g e t o
(02:25):
Oka dot com. Are on Instagram, it's at Oka USA.
And then we also have Paul Dawson, another smarty pants
Chief product officer at air Advanced Inhalation Rituals. They develop
inhalation products and devices now. Paul is a curious innovator
and consumer focused solutionists. Paul's bast previous experience in the
(02:48):
health and wellness categories leads to the developments of new
inhalation devices and rituals. Paul is developing the air purification,
lighting and personal care device portfolio at Dyson. Now check
this out. Not only did that did he do that,
but he's winning a T three Award for IoT purifiers.
So you're winning awards for this. Paul, no wonder why
(03:11):
you're in Dubai right now. You're showing off. He's currently
rolling out, of course, the Ukah right there, and he's
working out new ideas for the next generation. Welcome you
guys to the show. Thank you so much for coming
on Cannabis Talk one oh one. I know we're doing
this via zoom because we have people all around the
world on this and I believe Blue popped in Blue.
Are you going to be able to join us? Are
(03:31):
you just looking like you're online sitting there pretty well,
he's just looking like he's online, sitting there pretty there.
We go there, So welcome guys. Robert, good to have
you here, and Paul, good to have you here. I'll
start with Paul, as I said it first, even though
you were late to the party. Robert, are you from
the Bay Area?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
You know, the Bay Area is my home and it's
been my home for some time. I moved out here
in two thousand and seven for graduate school and fell
in love with the place, and then, you know, had
a short stint in South America in between then and now.
But yeah, it's it's where I where I call home.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
And let me ask you which I'm going to ask
you both, where does this love come from? To be
this big scientist like this and plants, and I mean,
where did that come for you, Robert? Because to get
a master's in organic organic chemistry and then to be
able to study plants like that and figure out what
they do and how they can help so many people.
Where does that love come from?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
You know, I would say it comes from the heart,
but you know that's a cheap answer.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
The you know, it's actually a good one. When you
said it, I was like, that makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Started young, you know, I had a science fair project,
I think in high school that was the anti cancer
properties of nutmeats and nut shells. So I collected all
kinds of various nuts and lagoons and cracked them open
and did some some garage extractions before they were being
(05:03):
done too much in this industry. And you know, it
was quite successful with that, and kind of fell in
love with what nature has to give us and have
been pursuing it in different forms ever since.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
That's awesome. I just think that people who have backgrounds
like you know, what both of you guys have and
what you're doing, and you guys come into the cannabis industry.
It really takes the cannabis industry to the next level, right,
because it's like it's never had these type of professionals
coming into there and then doing what they do, like
a solutionist like Paul who's originally from London. Now he's
(05:39):
hanging out in Dubai right now, sitting on a floaty
going around a riverpool and he's on this zoom with us,
which is very nice of him to take the time
out of as nice. But Paul, what made you, as
a guy across the pond from us here in the States,
get into inholation.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
I think you know we've me It was.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I'd spent a lot of my time at Dice and
thinking about, you know, what I could take out the
air that people were breathing, and the air purification and
what went into your lungs and how your body kind
of processed those those substances was fascinating, And you know,
I certainly thought, you know, halfway through the pandemic, you know,
I fancied a challenge and what great things can I
(06:22):
put in the air that you're breathing that your body
would really find very beneficial. So, you know, working on
Ukkah and and kind of working with Robert has been
fascinating to try and find out, you know, what can
we do and how he can elevate what people are
inhaling and the great things it can do to them.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And with this device. As I look at it in
I've seen Whiz Khalifah talking about it on Drink Champs,
which is a great promo for you guys, phenomenal. Look right,
he's now like one of your spokesman if I'm not mistaken.
That's how I find out about this. He's repping the
the thing. But it reminds me of I wrote this down.
I think it really feels like a hookah meets a cureate, right,
(07:04):
It's like these two things on the next level of
like what it looks like and feels like to me
without touching it and looking at it, And I hate
it if it disrespects you guys, feeling like why would
you dare say something like that? As I look at it,
it's like a hookah style that you could share and
you smoke, but it's vaping and it's so much better.
But it has like these pods. I want you guys
(07:26):
to describe how first off, how do you even come
up with some crazy shit like this? How high were
you Robert when you did you call Paul and said, hey, Paul,
I got this idea. Dude, Paul's all hold on a second.
Tell me again, how do you guys even come up
with something like this to figure out to make something
(07:46):
so elegant, so beautiful, Because, as I say, it looks
like a hookah. It's like the most advanced hookah you've
ever seen. Like, it's just ridiculous. But how did you
guys even start from like the I have an idea?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Well, I think, you know, from the device perspective, we
we you know, I'm sat really kind of in the
Middle East, kind of a spiritual home of traditional cook
of devices, and I think there was some very interesting
problems you can start looking at and solving quite quite
often that they're very difficult to get just right with
the balance of charcoals. You know, people get hurt when
(08:23):
they when they they kind of get burned if they
go wrong. And and really it was an area of
innovation that just had not had any serious advance in
the last six three years. So with the yeah, the
kind of advancement of technology and everything, so well, is
there a better way of doing this? And yeah, I
think we we sat and thought about it some more
(08:45):
and thought, right, you know, there is we can control
the temperature, we can make it really easy for people
to kind of pick up and use and get an
amazing experience. And we can do that, you know, time
and time again with a device that is is so
easy to maintain and so you don't need to be
an expert to use one of these things. So I think,
I think from a device perspective, that's that's kind of
(09:05):
how we set out to do. And then, of course,
you know, partnering with Robert, you know that it just
really started to kind of blow up an amazing way
the kind of things that were possible.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
How long does it take though to come up with
something like this? Like you guys, so you're out in
the Middle East, and of course hookah's big there, it's
big in the States to who we kidding. I love
to go get some hookah here and there, and I've
done it for years and all around the world. Right,
But it's like, as you see that and you think
of that type of culture and then you think, wow,
this can cross over because let's just face it's like
(09:38):
going to get Mexican food. Mexicans don't just get Mexican food.
Everybody gets Mexican food. Everybody can go get a hookah.
Everybody can go get one of these ucahs? How long though,
before you guys go, this would be a great thing
to make and then take me on that like length?
Was it five years? Was it a ten year? Was
it a two year?
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
What's that plan from we have an idea to now
you have this beautiful machine piece. I mean a borderline
looks like art too, you know what I mean. And
it's so cool looking that I kind of just want
one to have just because it's like, oh this is cool.
You know, you need to have one and just to
share and whatever. But what's that time period look like?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, I mean it took us a little over four
years to bring this to market, many many prototypes, and
it for it for me, it was really about you know,
trialing and error, you know, testing, refining, you know, and
we've done a lot of home trials, a lot of
a lot of user trials where we've gained this valuable
feedback and even you know, halfway through totally how to
(10:40):
rethink and strip back what we've done and started again,
you know, based upon what we've learned. So I think,
you know, it starts with that concept. You know, you
always have to try something out, you know. Is it
just us that are thinking like this, or or do
customers really want to do this? And do they share
the same frustrations we think we share and so on?
And then yeah, it's just a kind of iterative process
(11:03):
of getting it right and learning.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And then you're kind of going on that.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Journey and when you start doing home trials and people
are saying, yeah, is the best thing ever, And I
can't believe if this is here right now, you know,
you're onto a great product and that's when you want
to try and launch and share with the rest.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Of the world. Four years in the making, Robert, are
you happy it took that long? Are you upset it
took that long? Is it something that frustrates everyone when
it's like, why don't we have it down yet? Are
Everything is a process and it is what it is.
How does it feel for you?
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Well, everything is a process, you know, and some processes
take longer than others, and it really depends on what
you're trying to do with it. And you know, I
don't think the you know, the air group with UKAH
or you know myself in our group with seven nine,
would want to put anything out there that we would
not be proud to share. The pod developments, you know, those,
(12:05):
I think the very first prototype that I made for
the project was two and a half years ago. So
two and a half years ago the very first cannabis
pod for this ecosystem was made. And you know, to
have gone through all the iterations between then and now,
including you know, massive changes in the California regulations last
(12:29):
year at the end of last year and so forth.
You know, we had to to re envision quite quite
a few things and that. But you know, we have
a really nimble and ambitious team and you know, made
from cannabis veterans as well on our side of seven nine.
And I couldn't be prouder today, honestly, with with the
product that we've been able to put out there. And
(12:50):
guess what, Joe, there's a whole lot I mean real,
so yeah, absolutely, we have a very active pipeline. There's
a whole of more products that you'll be seeing some
of them this year coming to the UKA that you
can have because you can buy it today, Joe, I
think today's the.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
First that you can conduct already. Well, what is it?
Let's take a break real quick. We're gonna come back.
We're gonna find out what everybody out there can get,
because if you haven't checked it out right now, go
to their ig Uka What is it? Yuka USA? If
I'm not mistaken, which is O O K A U
s A dot com? And listen to Whiskalifa say himself.
(13:32):
He says, it's so elegantly, it's the best thing ever.
It's so technology. It's like you're hitting a bait. I love.
I watched it like three times, but wow, he was
really into it. I bet you will be to go
get yourself one. It's Cannabis Talk one on one. We'll
be right back after this break.
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We got Robert and Paul the duo on the team
right here from Uka who made it happen. Captain Robert,
you gave us a little tease more things are to come.
(14:26):
What is more? Please give me.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
We see this Joe as a one device to serve
as many as possible, right and it's it's almost the
you know, choosing the right order of serving. So we're
launching with more benefit led pods, you know, pods that
we'll get you in the right vibe, you know, help
get you into that place of zen zone in if
(14:54):
you have things to do. You know, these these these
type of things, and we really rely.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Different cannabis in the pods and using different stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
They're all fremium whole flower pods, and you know, with
this we work with strained specific inputs and uh you know,
we can blend some CBD flour with some THC flower
and so forth to get a cannabinoid ratio that would
lend itself to having the type of effects that we want.
And then we also have a very uh strong terpene
(15:28):
profile in the products and these also help support the
effects you know, with the ensemble or entourage effect as well.
Let's give it it's it's it's uh telltale flavor characteristics too.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
That's amazing. As you say all this with the pods,
and as you're describing this, and you said you've had
to change so much in the last segment because of California.
Are these UCA products and pods only available in California
right now.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Currently? Yes, so all the cannabis based pods are are
manufactured and being sold here in California in the compliance system.
And however, there are tea based pods available, you know,
outside of the seven nine brand that are are non
(16:16):
caps and also don't contain any tobacco. It's kind of
like an inhalable tea, and those are also becoming available
this year.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
So now, just how do you guys describe it? I
gave it my description, right like I've kind of described
what I look at it when I think of it.
I gave it my analogy. How do you guys describe
it to your friends and people?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I mean, we I think we know we rebrainstormed this hard,
and we've described it as one portal but many worlds,
and I think really that kind of captures the escape
that people, you know, want in their inhalation. And you know,
and I think, you know, just to mention the kind
of base pods that we've we've launched. It's under a
(17:03):
brand called Zodiac. You know that that really is a
fantastic way I find at the end of the week
just to wind down and relax and just sitting you
think about your breathing, You enjoy the flavors, you enjoy
the whole experience, and the best part is you can
share it very easily with friends. So I think I
think for me, it's it's that kind of portal to
(17:23):
met to a world, you know, where you can just
sit and have some quality time, you know, contemplating, thinking
of new product ideas, and you know, coming up with
the meanings to many many questions in life.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
And how long does a pod usually last? How many
hits usually can we get out of there? I know
it very well. I don't know if it is it
sucking or is it pushing out.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It's yeah, so you know, counter to a lot of
heat not burned devices that exist in the market, you
power it with your own lungs. So in this case,
it's it's really used very similar to what a hookah
use case would be like the pods. All the pods
that are part of our launch portfolio are controlled by
(18:11):
a near field communication chip in the pod. And this
is actually one of the real amazing technologies that's been
advanced with this UKA conversation, and that is the pod
has the intelligence and it tells the device what to do.
So you know, what we do is we craft in
our long experience that you can pause and come back to,
you can even turn it off and come back to
(18:33):
and still have an hour of active use throughout that
you can share it with up to four people. And
we're also looking at you know, longer and shorter pods.
We're looking at, you know, a lot of ways to
innovate with the with the power of the tech that
we've integrated within the pod itself. And the coolest thing
about this though, Joe, is we're actually able to at
(18:53):
the manufacturing level of the pods, optimize that program to
every single batch, so you won't have to update your
device because we're updating it for you a batch of
pods we make.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's interesting. So then you guys, then and I'm just
curious on the business side of it, because you've come
up with the UKA is that. Now the other brand
that you were saying, the cannabis brand that you guys
are using to put the cannabis in and this is
your guys's own cannabis brand as well.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Correct, correct, So that's seven nine, that's our brand, right.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
So seven nine Cannabis is the legal cannabis brand that
you guys are putting into the Ukah. And nobody else
yet has the propriety to make pods yet, and you
can't just grab everybody else's cannabis or anybody else's or
can I go to bed Bath and Beyond and buy
my own pods and you know, fill them up with
(19:47):
my own weed? Yet? Is that gonna happen?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Not yet, Joe, not yet. But right now, you know,
there's a number of reasons right for this. It's it's
the first unveiling of this tech. One of the joys
of working on this project with air has been you know,
there's a toxicology department behind this, there's advanced airsol studies
(20:11):
behind this device from a product safety perspective, and there's
also the experience that we want to curate for for
the user. So a lot of times in shisha Hu Kashisha,
you know you'll have a shisha master that mixes the
tobacco for you, changes the amount of charcoal, you know,
changes the amount of air that comes through, all to
give you this consistent optimize experience. So we don't expect
(20:35):
everybody to be a shisha master or hookah master, you
know at home advice this device, which is why we
made it. But you know, the program on the device
itself is that master for you. So you know, as
we continue to adapt it to new formats things like this.
You know, we're looking to open it up to two
more materials, to more brands, and we're actively working on
(20:58):
some collaborations and as we speak that aren't ready to
be disclosed, but everybody's going to be really excited about then.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I think it sounds amazing, it looks amazing, and as
you said that, a couple of questions. I want to
hear the answers to can it spill because it looks
like it can't, but I don't know for sure because
it looks like a base in a vase, as you know,
But this base looks like it has a top. But
is there a leaking point? If the idiot that is
smoking and drinking trips are they're coming up with food
(21:26):
and it knocks over because first off, can it spill.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Kind of spell.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
I mean, we ask people to be careful around it,
but we've designed it in a way that it is robust.
You know, we've done a lot of robust as testing
on this. I think if you you knock it over
as well the device switches off, you might get a
little water spillage, but you're not going to get the
whole tank coming out all in one go. But yeah, we,
as Roberts said, you know, safety really is what we've
(21:54):
been designing this with in mind, not from just from
an inhilation perspective, but also you know product safety two.
We've got rid of that charcoal that is, uh it
was quite quite dangerous to have in your home, and
would replace it with a system that that you know
it when it senses your you've accidentally knocked out over,
it switches itself off and waits for you to write
it up before it will start again.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
You know, I hate to say this, but I used
to have friends that used to hookah in the car
when they're driving up and down from Big Bear this
and that, right, And I mean, dude, I'm just saying
I know a few people right that that have done
this and this device. When I seen this device, I'm like,
this is the type of device these guys need now
because that was my Willip's built a little bit cool
(22:36):
because they've been hookahing in their cars forever when they're
going on long road trips, and I'm like, dude, you
need a device like this ukah so that you could
just drive and roll. Not that you know it's it's
not a bad thing if you're going to drive with
an ukah. I'm sure there's people in the passenger. I'm
not encouraging to drive and smoke one, but you know,
if you're in the back seats of the suv or
(22:57):
the car and you want to utilize this, it looks
like it gonna work great. The heat on top, I'm
just curious. Obviously, you put the pot on the top
of the uka looks like it's slut shuts down and snaps.
I was trying to find a video online or something,
but I'm just assuming that's what it does. Is there
a heat or anything on top of that that I'm
(23:18):
gonna field my hands.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
You will feel it's warm, but you know it's not
dangerous heat you know, So it's everything about the oven
inside inside is buried in there. We've we've packed it
around insulation so that heat doesn't escape, and all of
it goes into the pod itself, you know. So you
can pick this up when it's when it's it's on,
and you can move it around, you can place it
anyway you want, and you know, it's much much safer
(23:44):
than having a kind of open coal sat on top
of a sheesha heunit especially, And I wouldn't condone driving
with it, but I imagine it would be a bit
safe to have in a car with your passengers.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
We're using it.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lower I tell my friends not
to do. But you know how that goes. I'm sure
you have some friends like that too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah, there's some people that have requested one that fits
into a cup holder, although I cannot confirm that that's
actually in the active pipeline.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
So dude, it's so true though, Robert, think about it, like,
I mean, I look at this and I just go, wow,
this could be so amazing in the car like that, right,
And it's just a convenient we I mean, I was
talking to a cop buddy of mine just literally the
other day and he goes Joe when people are smoking joints,
I gotta bust him because you're just smoking. He's like,
you're just the same rules about drinking and drive. So
(24:36):
and I go, do what you gotta do. That's part
of the game, right, Like that's what you're doing. I
get it. And it's the same thing here, you guys.
I'm not encouraging or or implying that's what you should do.
I'm just saying we all do it. None of us
drive the speed limit anyways. Either we all go over
it and you risk getting a freaking ticket. It's the
same thing. So you know, I'm guilty of it. I'm
sure you listening you're guilty of it. But uh, I
(24:58):
just look at this product and think of the consumer
and how the consumer may be like, wow, this could
be the next best thing. You know. Whether you make
it for a cup holder or not, that's not your
problem if they put it in there. I got a
cup holder on my couch at home that I could
put it in my couch cup holder as well, so
you know there's other cup holders rather than just the car.
And I literally do have one of these couches that
(25:18):
haves a cup holder right next to it, so it
would make total sense to have that and you're sitting
there with your spouse and you're enjoying it. A couple
other questions I have about this random thing, the cleanup?
How easy? How hard is it? Come all apart? What
is that about? How long does it take? Is it
a thirty minute process? Is it a can it go
in the washers? Are the how do you clean it? Period?
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Well?
Speaker 5 (25:43):
I think yeah, first of all, it's super easy to clean.
We recommend whenever you finished the podch you take it out,
you put it to one side it's hot. We include
some tongs to kind of grab the pot out so
you don't burn yourself or or you don't risk any
burn there. And then we you know, we supply with
the rush allows you to clean the product when it's cool,
(26:04):
so you can get rid of any residues and any
kind of flavors that's going through. You wouldn't put it
in a dishwasher, it's it's not you know, it's not
for the dishwasher to it's an electronic device. They don't
tend to like being dishwashed. But you know, we we
just it's really, really easy maintenance. You know, kind of
warm soapy water on a cloth, don't You don't get
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it wet, but you get it damp and you just
wipe it down, clean it out, and then you're ready
to go again.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
And if I'm not mistaken, didn't, I.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Would say wait for it.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It's not like you're putting in some double D batteries
in there, right, it's a chargeable type like your phone.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, it's fully chargeable. From that.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
You'll get three or four sessions, depending on what you're
what you're using. And I think just to your point
about you know, kind of taking anywhere. We've even designed
a little backpack that can hold all of your UKA
paraphernalia and you can put it on your can.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
You can take it for the big walks in.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
The countryside and sit and relax and just enjoy nature and.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Make it to this use Oka. Yeah exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Oh how cool. Go see Robert and go to the
Bay Bridge and just hang out there right there on
the Marketdaro. Wait from the other side. Hi, Robert, im
over here. Oh it's so cool to have Bay Area
folks are here. We're gonna take a break real quick.
We're gonna come back got the high five and some
more questions and answers on this new Uka product. You
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guys check it out online yourself. If you think I'm
joking or smoking, you'll see I'm not. You guys, this
thing is really really cool. For the next ideas that
are coming out, we're gonna find out what they got.
Go to the website. G E. T O O KA
dot com. Are on Instagram at oh Oka USA. It's
Cannabis Talk one on one. We'll be right back after
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this break.
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Robert and Paul from UKA so grateful to have you
guys on to learn about this product. The cleaning simple,
The charging can last about three How long does it
take to actually charge it?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Though?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Paul is it a whole day process in a couple hours,
because I'm just thinking we're having a party. We've gone
a few sessions, and damn it, now you're probably at home.
You can probably just charge it while you're using it,
couldn't you.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yeah, I know, which is under that.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
So I think the first time we ask you to
charge it up fully, you know, we let you to
leave it for a long while, just to like sports.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Right the way up to the top before you first
use it.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
But you know, three or four hours and you're right,
you know, if you're going to extend your session and
you have you know, you're kind of really getting into
the vibe and you're, you know, really chilling out on
the things that Robert's providing you.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Then I think, you know, you can plug it in.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
It comes with its power supply and it'll last all day.
So you know, we've got two modes. You can run
it portable or you can plug it in and it'll
it'll just go on, you know, for for a long time.
I think it will out last you in a session, Joe.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I'm sure it will. These pods, what are we looking
at in the pods? Is it an eighth Is it
a half gram. Is it a great? Like what what
is it that usually goes in a park?
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, now that's that's a great Everybody wants to know,
right and we all we all know that we want
to know what's what's inside things, you know, in cannabis.
So you know with this, the closest thing to kind
of benchmarket too is a large pre roll, so it
has the same amount of cannabis flower that would be
betwe between a one and a one point two five
grand pre roll per pod, except for you know, the
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difference here is you know, it's it's engineered and designed
to run a program for an entire hour on that
amount of cannabis. So it's really like leaning in participating,
setting back, you know, passing it to somebody else, and
and really having it as a as a centerpiece of
your experience that really provides this kind of like social lubrication,
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if you will. It's it's it's quite magnetic, you know
when it's when it's in the center of a table
and you know, uh, it's it's hard to argue with
the effect that it has on people.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And as you say that, with the effect can you guys,
and I don't know if you can. You know, I'm
not saying elude it's healthy, it's this and that. But
isn't it fair to say that smoking out of an
ukah would be safer than smoking a joint or a
blunt because it's the vaping or is there anything you
guys can say to that?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Now, that's that's a great question, and and you know,
something difficult to answer these days when it comes to
health claims and so forth. But I'll do my best
with this. The you know, what I would say is
it's it's not combusting your material, right, and it's also
not burning coal that you're also inhaling. You know, some
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some molecules from that process as well, you know when
you use traditional hookah. So with that, you know, I
wouldn't expect to see carbon monoxide being formed and these
other things. We do have a fairly robust testing program
behind this, and you know, from that data, I would
say that, you know, it's it's it's looking quite optimistic
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in terms of being an alternative for health health conscious individual.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well, I don't know if you guys know this, but
I just came up with six reasons why ukah is
actually revolutionary and people should pick it up. It's a
can nient. It's clean, it's social, it's rechargeable, it's portable,
and it's easy. I don't care if I read the website.
I came up with it right now. I really like
what you guys are doing. I mean, even the look
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of it is just so I want to say sexy,
right because the shape of it, and it's like a
sexy vase and let alone state of the art. The
tube that goes in is it an easy come out?
Is that a when you guys were making that, how it?
Because when you see some hookahs and it doesn't look
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as big as or thick as as some of the
other hookah pipetime I'm used to smoking, it looks a
little smaller. And I don't know if it's rubber, I
don't know what is that material right there that's on
the hose that's going into the actual base.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
It's a it's a silica material. Very it's very similar
to a standard hookah hose. In fact, that's that's how
we source that. But yeah, I think for the overall
design aesthetic that we were aiving for, we wanted to
try and pay homage to kind of more tradition or hooker,
but we also wanted to bring it, you know, Slap
Bang Ride up to date, you know, for this century.
So I think, you know, we I think I think
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we've achieved that people know and look at it and
see what it is, and I think people get really
intrigued and they want to kind of touch it and
they want to kind of interact with it because of
its shape is so inviting to kind of just want
to grab hold like a trophy or a chalie, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
So, yeah, we.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Spend a lot of time on the materials. As as
Robert was saying, you know, we we we wanted to
make sure everything that we use is thoroughly tested beforehand.
We've got our own toxicology team to make sure that
as these things are being heated up, they're not giving
off anything nasty, they're not giving up anything you know
it could be can smell or taste and really kind
of just focusing on your inhalation and that's that's. Yeah,
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every every single piece of this product has been designed
and tested with that in mind.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, this right here took four years. Is it going
to take another four years for you guys to bang
out another amazing product like this? Because This is fricking phenomenal.
I mean even I'm staring at scrolling through the website
right now and I'm looking at the beach, and I
was wondering why I said take it to the beach,
because I think this picture subliminally like told me, you know,
I need to take it to the beach because it
looks so cool out on the beach right here in
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one of these pictures of them smoking. What's next for you, guys.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Well, I mean that we've we've got two or three
devices in the pipeline right now. I'm not going to
be able to tell you anything about those, I'm afraid, Joe,
but I'm super excited to be working on them. You know,
we are trying to revolutionize and disrupt all the categories
that we want to address. I think, you know, gives
us that opportunity right now. And my job really is
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to try and find those future moments that we can
really get into good understanding from and bring better things
to those experiences in the future. So I'm really sorry,
but you know, I can't tell you, but.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
The fact that you're working on the next generation of ideas,
and that's always awesome that you're doing that one random
thing that I wanted to ask you, Robert before we
do the high five with you guys, is as you're
the biggest word I've ever pulled out of my ass,
the ethno pharmacologists, what are some simple tips that you
can give some of us out here that are like
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instead of this, why don't you just go pick this berry?
Added in that, like, is there anything random remedy that
you can think of that you go? Man, most people
don't know, but this is how I would treat the headache.
This is how I would treat whatever. You can simply
just do this. As I'm wondering, maybe you have a
solution for it because you have this Masters in Organic
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Chemistry from UC Berkeley and you're just so into the
I watched the whole video on informacologists, so that's why
I was like, maybe he has something that I can
utilize or some random tip? Is there one that you
have that you can give everyone?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
You know, what I encourage everybody to do, honestly is
get to know your local flora. Go on a nature walk,
go on a medicine or edible plant walk. Find out
what's near to you because it's different everywhere. I spent
a good number of years in immersive experiences in South America,
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in the jungle and in the mountains, learning you know,
what it was like there, and you know, these are
people that have a very rich history of medicinal plants,
and we often forget our own rich history of medicinal
plants right in our backyard. And you know, I would
say learn the poisonous plants first before you learn the
edible ones.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Just in case.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
But you know, there's there's there's wonderful plants there. They
often like look like what they're supposed to be used for.
That's a beautiful thing about nature as well. You know,
when we had a lab at two miles in altitude
in a mountain in Peru, we used to make a
headache remedy for everybody that would arrive there with altitude sickness. Unfortunately,
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one of those plants you can't really use here in
the US, which is the coca leaf, but every other one,
Gualana lavender and several of those that are indigenous to
that area make a wonderful tonic for migrains or headaches
if you suffer from them like I have.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
In my past, that's awesome. And because when you look
at that. And that's always been the one thing about
cannabis that I've always been so intrigued about. Meaning, you know,
it's the one plant and correct me if I'm wrong, please, Robert.
But I've learned and heard it's the one plant that
we still don't know. It's infinile of what it can
still do. Mostly every other plant we know and every
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pharmacist and everybody else are using it for those great purposes.
But it's like the indocannablinoid system. We don't know everything
yet that this cannabis plant can do.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, we don't know what we don't know, Joe. And
that's something we always have to remember. And I always
call it the you know, it's it's a laboratory in
its own. It's a development laboratory in its own, this plant.
And there's no plant that I've seen that has as
pliable genetics or phenotypes as as this plant does. And
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we're discovering new things about it every day. And guess what,
it's a teacher. It's teaching us about our own body.
The indocannabinoid. This opened up our eyes so much to
how you know, enzyme networks in the body actually work.
That we're learning things about our own biology simply through
this plant. And I think that's just just quite remarkable,
you know.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
And it's guys like you and when we talk like
I love going to different you know, seminars and this
and that, especially when we're broadcasting and talking to these
scientists like yourself and biologists and chemists and that, because
you just and for me personally, I look at the
plant that way, right, I look at it strictly one
hundred percent of medicine. I don't. I don't even smoke
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cannabis recreationally anymore. I've been sober twenty four plus years.
I use a bunch of products, CBD's this and that,
but I don't smoke weed, you know what I mean,
Like that's not my get down anymore. But I'm cool
with people who do. But I really and that's the
reason why I did this show, because i'd hip surgeries
and started using products that I was like, oh, I
don't know about cannabis. Man. I was that guy at first, right,
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I don't know, and then I started learning, and now
I'm here we go hosting the show and it's turned
one hundred and seventy nine different countries because I'm like,
we're signed to our heartmedia because why because this plan
is unbelievable how much it can do for people and
guys like you that research it and look into it
and then create ways to utilize it and maybe even
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a safer way, right, So you're ingesting this in a
safer way, So folks go out there and support these cats.
This Ukah looks amazing. I can't wait to get one
in the office and get a backpack and walk around
and take it to the beach and do everything else
that I see on the beautiful website right there. But
we're gonna do the high five with you, guys. I'll
ask the question. It'll be the same question. Robert you
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can answer first, Paul you can go next, or either
way go back and forth. Question number one, how old
are you the first time you smoked cannabis and where
did you get it from?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
I'll take this one first. I'm not sure how old
I was when this happened, but I know that I
know that I didn't get high the first time, which
I think is a lot of people's common experience. And
Dave definitely was passed me by a friend.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Where were you living? Where were you at.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
You know, if I were to tell you that, I
might get myself in some trouble, but you.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Don't even want to say, I'm marry that's great, Paul.
What about you?
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Well, it's this one's really easy. For me.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
I was a year younger than I am right now,
and I was sharing an experience with Robert.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
That's oh really, your first time smoking was with Robert.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
The first legal time, Yes, the first.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Well, there it is. That's a good bond to have.
What's your favorite way to use cannabis?
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Oh, for me, it's going to be okay.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
I'm I'm not a heavy smoker, but the smoothness is
really really easy to inhale. It's very relaxing and and
because I'm a complete beginner, you know, it's just, you know,
I don't have to think about about too much about
the science. I just have to press the button and
drop a pod and press the button.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
That makes it easy.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
What about you, I don't know if I have a
favorite method of consumption. To be honest, if it's in elation,
you know, I would have to say say that the
UGA as well, But I think there's there's value in
all ways to administer cannabis, and it really depends on
what you're looking for. You know, gas intestinal issues can
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be addressed, but that typically isn't addressed well with inlation,
so you know ingestion would be the best for that.
So it's it's really to each their own, you know.
I think you find your own way, you titrate with
your own body, and it empowers you know, the patient
or consumer or user, however you'd like to describe the person,
you know, to be kind of master of of their
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own process with it. And I think that that's that's
that's a blessing to it, you know.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
To everyone.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Funny when you say that I had ankle surgery last
year and I was using a ton of cannabis products
and it was when I was ingesting them that it
was helping the most with the pain, you know, the
liquids and the eating and just the edibles and uh
and it didn't get me quote unquote high. It just
helped relieve me with some pain. So it's so funny
how exactly you got to find out what you're going
to use it for and how to use it? Question
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number three of the High five Robert go ahead, what's that.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
We have a pod for that too.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
The pain pod.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Oh, I may need that.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
One craziest place you ever used cannabis or smoked are
hooked up to ukah and lit it up.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
Oh for me, it was a It was recently. We
spent this this about a month ago. We were over
at Coachella. I just remember having a kind of clear
moment a vision at at two am in the morning.
One of the I think was the Sturdy Oasis party,
and you know, just just imagining the kind of music,
the people, the vibe.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
It's gonna be one of my forever of memories.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Oh, just to collectic. That sounds awesome. You just took
me there mentally. I was like right there with you
when I said that that was awesome. I've been there
a bunch of times.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
What about you, Robert, Uh, You know, I don't think
much in this world is crazy, including like where I
would use cannabis, But a lot of other people think
things I do are crazy. I'd probably say most of
the places, you know, whether it's high in altitude or
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under the water. You know, there's been some interesting times
in my exploration of this particular well, they call a master.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Plant, right the master plant has gone everywhere with Robert.
Question number four, the high vibe. What are your go
too munchies after you get high?
Speaker 4 (43:59):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (43:59):
Well, yeah, I think embarrassing, I think. I think it's
gonna be chips and eminem's. It's a very strange combination,
but it works for me and sweet.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
I get it. It's you know, it's actually not that
that crazy if you think about it. Salty and sweet
is a big combo right there. What kind of chips.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Though, pring goes? I'm afraid.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I like that with some ranch or some Oh let's go.
You're getting me hungry there, Paul, What about you? Robert?
Speaker 3 (44:26):
I'm gonna be a bit redundant here. I would say
chips also fall into my category. But I like the
salty and sour you know, you know, I like the
bitter medicines. So you know, for me, it also have
to have a dip. No good chip goes goes, you know,
it goes without a depth.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
So I mean, and if you could pick one, because
chips and salsa are might go to but if you
had to go chip and dip, what chip and what dip?
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Oh? What a great question. Salt and vinegar, chips and
right there, bitchin sauce Chipotle flavor.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Dude, I have some right now in the kitchen. That
bitch and almond sauce is the best. Oh down, it
is so good.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
And sometimes I take a little bit of cheese on
the chip too with that. You're gonna like that if
you do.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh man, that is so funny. My wife is a
salt and vinegar one, so we you normally will have
some of those ships here at the house, and we
always have the bitchen sauce, no matter if that one
or the cilantro one or just the normal one. But
oh I love when Costco sells the variety pack of those.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Oh but the one here in Richmond, in the Bay
Area it started finally selling the big Chipotle ones.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
So that's we have the big one. Our Costco where
I live has the big one. I have the big
one because I got it at Costco, of the exact
one that you just mentioned. So that is so funny.
Almost hold on, let me go get mine question number
five of the High five with the gentleman who creates
these masterminds. Ukah. You got to check it out, you
guys online. Go pick yourself up one if you could
(46:06):
smoke cannabis with anyone dead are alive. Who would it
be and why?
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Well, I think for me, probably sleeve jobs. I think
i'd be really to know what he was thinking about
the technology we're pushing into this category. And you know,
I'd like to think he could sit back and you
kind of really understand what we were trying to achieve.
And yeah, he tried to change the world a few times.
I think that's what we're trying to do with this device.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yes, that's awesome to hear you say that, because that's true, Paul.
Let me think about it. I mean, he's I'm sure
you both have iPhones, for God's sake. I know I
have one. I'm on my Mac right now recording this.
You're right, What about you, Robert?
Speaker 3 (46:51):
You know, since we'd likely be smoking out of an ukah,
you know, i'd probably have three friends with me. Oh,
you know, and if we're doing it that way, then
you know, I would say, let's go. Carl Sagan, I
think he wrote something about his love of cannabis sometime
(47:12):
in his history, called mister X or something like that.
Carl Sagan, Francis Crick, you know, one of the credited
people for the discovery of DNA structure. Also an advocate
of of psychedelic materials as well.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
From what I understand, Master Snoop Dogg and Snoop was
that and Snoop huh.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Snoop and if we could fit one more in. You know,
I want to avoid typically talking about religious figures, but
I would I would smoke with Jesus.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
That's always my go to when it's like, who are
you smoke about? I mean Jesus. Who else would this? Yeah,
I mean i'd call him as Susan say I heard
you're a dope carpenter for my Jewish buddies. But let's go.
Let's kick it. And not only that, you kind of
have the hair there, Robert, you're very Jesus is per
the logo. Matter of fact, it even looks like that
movie Jesus Revolution. You look like you were on that movie.
(48:10):
Did you guys see that movie yet? To go check
it out talking Netflix? Honest, you really need to see
it because it's kind of everything you just described, meaning
not like so much Lucien as the guy, and it's
from the Bay Area and that he was from the
Bay Area, moved to southern California, and uh, the dude
(48:32):
was the hippie time that during that era, and he
basically falls in love with the pastor and then Jesus
and the church and starts bringing that whole hippie community,
hence the Jesus Freaks movement, right, and it was like
that type of movement movie. But he shows how he
talks to them, and then one of the best lines
where you know, we're all over here, on all these
(48:52):
old on all these drugs, We're all looking for this high.
This is the high we've been looking for, so come
to the church. It's really you know, that's kind of
like the moral of the story, but it's a real
life story to where I was, like, I watched it.
I was so surprised. One of my buddies posted on
ig and as you just mentioned, Jesus, I'm like, dude,
I had no idea Jesus Revolution. I would even click
(49:13):
on it right when I see it. I'm like, I
watch them whateverever. I mean, I love the Lord, don't
get me wrong, I'm a Jesus man, but I'm not
gonna watch the movie. I have nothing about it. And
now I'm preaching about it all the time, Like dude,
everybody should watch this movie. It's really cool because it
was actually really a cool movie. It wasn't so much
Jesus freakish, didn't I don't know, it didn't make me
feel like, oh, here we go because I hate the
preachy preachies, you know what I mean. I love the Lord,
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but let's just you know, let's just keep it cool.
That all being said, you guys, last big question I
got is what is this retailling for? What are the
people hitting in the wallet to get something like this?
And the pods? I'm sure it's separate things. And are
there accessories? I know there's a backpack. What am I
out the door looking at when I get one of these?
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Well? Right now, you know, if you're one of the
early adopters, you can get the device and a full
set of the pod products. That's all five different benefits,
two packs of each. So ten pods for three ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
That's not bad. That's not bad at all, So three
ninety nine. And then the last one that I have
for you guys is I feel like it's like a hooker.
But why Ukah, where did the name? How did the
name come about?
Speaker 4 (50:26):
Well, that's a tricky one.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
I think it might have come about from a let's say,
a late night brainstorming session, you know, fueled by some
of Robert's creations.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
But we wanted something easy.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
To remember, and obviously, you know, kind of has a
little bit of a kind of homage to its roots.
So ye, yeah, I think we can't give our secrets
away of how we like to brainstorm. But you know,
that's that's a fairly close representation of what happens.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
I'm sure it was.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
And dips everyone, there are two chips and dips everywhere,
Chips everywhere.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Well, guys, before I let you go, is there anything
else that you guys want to talk about? Our mentioned
about the product before I let you guys get on
out of here.
Speaker 5 (51:08):
I think it's super great to be on the show, Jo.
I hope you go check it out. I hope your
listeners go check it out as well. I'd be super
happy for them to have an experience and share it
with all their friends.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Not only share with your friends, bring it to a party,
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