August 18, 2025 • 51 mins
No reality crew, or housewife confessional could prompt Joe Giudice to open up like Gia just did.
These are the answers to everything you’ve wanted to know AND MORE!
Hear what that first season of RHONJ cost his family, how his time away affected his relationships with his four daughters, and why people piled on the lawsuits during his darkest days.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey guys, and welcome back to another week of Casual Chaos.
This week I have someone on my podcast too, I
love very much, Dad. Welcome to Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Thank you, Gia. You're so pretty and I'm so happy
to be a dad. You're like the greatest daughter ever.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Oh thanks, Dad, I love you.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You've had such a fun month with so many visitors
coming to see you. You had your aunt, your cousin Malania,
and Gabriella, your sister came with all of her kids
and her husband.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You're just such a busy guy.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I know, very tiring. Last night I was so tired. Actually, yeah,
they went to Bahamar again. I had to tap out.
You just got to tap out sometimes.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I mean, you have been going for a while. Well,
Zianna got there, Audriana was with you for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So Adriana just left Jess that I'm so sad.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
A lot of people always wonder if I'm the closest
to you out of all of all of us, but
I feel like we're all close to you, and our
own way is I think just because I'm older, you know,
obviously we have a different bond. But I feel like
you're close to all of us.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I mean it took me
a little bit, like with Adriana, you know what I mean,
like when I got out and everything, because I was
away for a little bit. So she was like a
little you know at the beginning. But now she's like
totally fine. She's like so cute.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
But well, yeah, because she was so young when he
was like, I went, yeah, she was six, So then,
you know, when as she was growing up, she didn't
have you, you know, there and present as she was
you know, becoming into beautiful young lady that she is now,
but she was you know, you could tell she always
(01:51):
missed that.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
She always missed.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Having that father figure, and it obviously did take her
a little time because it was almost like she had
to get to know you all over. So but now
you know, she loves it. She was basically there with
you alone for this whole time until you know, the
family showed up. But she and she wanted that this time.
She really wanted that alone time with you and.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
To just be with you.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So you could tell she always wants that and definitely
misses those moments.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, she's so cute.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Tell me about how you and Mom decided and agreed
on doing The Real Housewives in New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
What was that conversation?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Like I was during that time the Real Housewives. I
probably was renovating about one hundred and fifty units at
the time when I was renovating our home as well, right,
And what was only supposed to do be a simple
quick renovation because our home was actually pretty cool when
we first bought it, you know what I mean. It
was contemporary and actually we should have left it like that.
(02:51):
During that design and everything that we was going on,
she came up with this housewife stuf Right, So this
was many years ago, you know, So I was like,
what's the Housewives? Like? What is this? You know what
I mean? She's like because at the time, there was
only I think one housewife, which I think was Orange
(03:15):
County or something like that or whatever. It was only
one housewife, so it wasn't very popular, you know what
I mean. It wasn't like everybody knew about it or anything.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It was like Orange County in New York.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But I don't know, I mean, I don't remember exactly
who was whatever, But it wasn't like a big thing,
you know what. I mean, so I didn't know about it.
So basically she was like and he you know, they
came in, well just do this interview with them and whatever.
I'm like, for what, you know, They're like, just do
(03:45):
the interview. Let's just do the interview, right whatever. So
I had to go to the house, you know what
I mean, while she was there, and I think that
I don't know if they showed it or not, but
they you know, when she was at the top of
the staircase or but I was during when the house
was under construction, So I don't know if they showed
that part or not. But this is when they were
(04:06):
interviewing us, and I said, I forgot what they asked me.
They asked me something, and I said, well, listen, if
we make it through this construction phase here and me
and my ex are still together or she's still alive,
that's going to be a big plus, you know what
I mean. So so they were like whatever, And then
(04:28):
you know, after that interview, they would just wouldn't leave
us alone. It was like they just would not leave
us alone. Every day for about a year, they were calling,
you know, like calling every day for a year yr year.
By that time, the house was you know, pretty much complete,
you know what I mean. And that's when we started
moving in. I think they started filming or I don't
(04:48):
think they filmed this when we were staying at the
other house that I had over there, like the park
did they no, right?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
No, thank god?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah. So anyway, during that time, I think.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Adriana was we were literally living in the woods, like
we were living in the woods our playroom, Like my
dad couldn't come up there because his head would hit
the ceiling. It was like definitely made us closer as
a family, I would say, but we were on top
(05:17):
of each other living in the woods. So then the
show started, So did you and mom talk to us
about it? Or like, did you guys ever have a
conversation with us about like being on TV?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I don't really remember.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I don't think so. I mean your mother kind of
once we signed, I mean, it was kind of like,
you know, a big blur after that, you know what
I mean. It was like, you know, I think the
first year we had that big party in my great room,
all right. I think that show coushed me one hundred
and fifty thousand the first year, all right, and uh.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Oh, like like housewives.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
You know, you're displaying every housewife throughout all franchises. They're
just playing their lives and the parties.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And the glam and all of that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And a lot of housewives will tell you, not just us,
but you don't get obviously paid that much money filming
a first season show. Your pay obviously grows as the
seasons go on.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
We got to paid nothing in the first season. I'll
even say it was like twenty five thousand. I mean
it was ridiculous, but whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
But so when you're throwing parties and stuff like that,
especially for the first season, you're putting in more money
than you're actually getting out of it. So then obviously,
you know, you grow and make your way and make
your name, but for the first season when you're obviously
trying to. But this wasn't anything out of the norm.
(06:48):
My mom loved my mom and dad, especially my dad.
He loves company. They loved throwing parties, having people over.
So it wasn't like this was anything crazy. But it
was just what we would do.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Every weekend. I mean I didn't I listen, I didn't
I didn't care. I mean every weekend I had people
in my house. I would have my dad wouldn't wait.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
The neighbor from down the street over. My dad meets
you in the grocery store. Oh, come over for dinner.
We're having a big meal tonight.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
No, I don't know about that, but I mean, you know,
it's not too fair we meet people.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I mean, if we meet people and I.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Like them, yeah, you love love the company. But our
lives were on full display, the good and the bad.
So Mom was literally filmed leaving our home from jail.
The show was on pause until she came home. Do
you regret anything shown on TV?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, a few episodes like the one up or we
were at the vineyard or something. I called your mother something.
I know, it was a very nice I mean I
don't but that was just out of pure you know,
drinking wine and enough was enough, you know what I mean.
We were stuck there and for like a week I think,
in this house, just drinking wine every day. I couldn't
even look at wine anymore. And I think it was
(08:09):
Caroline's birthday and we were just getting ready to leave too,
I think the next day or two days from before leaving,
and it was just like you know, like sometimes they
just it just gets so chaotic with everybody around, because
all they want you to do is just start drama
and do this and do that. They don't want you
to just hang out, and they don't have a normal time,
you know what I mean. They it just you know,
(08:30):
they just want you to start with something or ask
them about this, or ask them something personal about this
that'll piss them off, and ask them this. And it
went around with all the people, you know what I mean,
Like that's what the that's their job. I mean, their
job is to go around and stir up you know
whatever they could stir up and cause you know, nobody
wants a boring show obviously, so and that's what they do.
(08:51):
So I mean, they would stir this up, stir that up.
And so it's never like really relaxing after like especially
being together for like I think we were together that
time for a little while. We were on campers. We
ended up at the vineyard, we were camping together, and
then we ended up you know, in the house I
think for like four or five days. We ended up
in the campers for like four five It was a
(09:12):
lot of time to be together with a bunch of people,
you know what I mean, and always starting over something,
you know what I mean. It was always like some
kind of conflict we had to have. I think we
even surfed that time we went surfing. It was all
during that same time, you know what I mean, And
we did like a lot. That was the time with
the Manzos, you know, that was in the beginning. That
was in like the beginning season when we did all that.
(09:32):
That's wrobably one of the episodes that I you know
that I regret and what else? What other one? I
mean not really, I mean the rest was the rest
was whatever I mean, But that was really the only
part that really wasn't me because I don't even use
that word. I hate that word. And and why you
came out of my mouth? I had no idea, And
I regret the time. Actually all this stuff happening on
(09:54):
television obviously, with this, you know, with the fraud and
all this other stuff that, you know, I don't think
they would have even bothered me if I wasn't on television.
But listen, at the time, my attorney called me up
and said that I was a target, all right, which
Miles fine scene is now dead and I knew him,
and he called me and he said, listen, Joey goes,
(10:15):
I just want you to know that in about whatever
you're in under investigation and you're a target, you know
what I meanly for what And they're like, I'm just
telling you, this is just what I heard. I didn't
believe him, all right, but it was true and also
sure enough in twenty twelve I think it was, or
(10:37):
whenever you had twenty twelve, I think we got indicted
and that's when all the crap began.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So you've had some iconic moments on the Real Housewives,
and that's why fans literally love you until this day.
They just love how authentic you always were on camera
and you can see that from a mile away. There
was even that one scene when Mommy was away and
you were trying to look for us on the little
(11:11):
Quad and you were trying to find us, chasing us
around and because you didn't have a license, so you
were looking for us on the little Quad and then
the other time that is still one of your iconic moments,
but again you definitely had too much wine.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Is when you did the front flip and chipped your tooth.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh my god, everybody loves it. I'm like, actually, I
actually am back to saying when you started crying, that
was that because.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Well, you literally hit your face so hard.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I didn't hit it hard. I hit a tooth that
was already chipped. And now when I hit it actually
just fell out. The filler actually just fell out because
and that filler was in, believe it or not, for
a very long time, since I was like sixteen years old,
you know what I mean. So, but you.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Have you had too much wine that night. That was
too much.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
We we did, We had a lot of wine. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Do you remember that you chasing us on the little quad?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Uh no, I.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Don't really remember it either, but it's on. It's on
when we filmed while mommy was away. And then the
other time when you dropped your phone in the pond.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, that I remember.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
That was so.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Funny, Melania, I think because she was throwing some stuff
in the water and get really it's like she's throwing
dog food or something in the water or what she
was doing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But uh, yeah, she was throwing dog food in the water.
And then she went on the little quad and.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Goes see us suckers or goodbye suckers. Yeah, and then
you turned around and your phone went straight into the water.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
My phone went right into the water.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What is one memory that you are so happy was
captured by the cameras.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I mean, we did that one scene when our whole
family took a picture to go other remember when everybody
was alive. I mean that was nice.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, that was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So that's a nice scene. And I think that we
were already under uh uh you know, was already starting
at the time when the you know, the lawsuits and
all that crap were already in play.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, no, they were what was there? Everyone was there?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, So that's that was nice. And you know it's
nice because now you get to see in my camera
every once in a while. I mean, so that's the
only nice part about it. I mean you get to
see you know, your family. That's uh, you know obviously
not here with us right now, but I mean get
to see no noah lie, you get to see you
no no, you know, my father. So I mean that's
(13:41):
the nice parts. And all you guys, you know, growing
up like little luh, you know, you were like so cute,
you know, growing up and like all these little times
that you would just not even remember, you know what
I mean. But every time you see these like times
on camera.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Flash forward to twenty fourteen. You were sentenced to forty
one months in prison and we're immediately deported to Italy
once you were released. From your point of view, who
took you being deported the hardest in the family.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I mean, look, I think everybody you know took it hard.
You know, everybody did, you know, probably like between the kids,
I would say, I'm sure, like listen, all of you is,
including myself. I mean, it wasn't easy for anybody. But
(14:35):
I mean I would say maybe Millennia, Maybe I don't,
probably Millennia. Yeah, but I think everybody, you know what
I mean, everybody you know, my mother, my brother, I
mean everybody.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I mean I think we all definitely went through our hardships.
Like I definitely went through it a little bit. I
think it was like, you know, the point that we
were fighting so hard to get you to come home,
and was just you know, you stayed in. You stayed
in ice eight months after your sentence.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I was in eight months, and I would have fought
it all the way through. If I would have, they
would have just gave me bond, which I don't understand
why they wouldn't give me a bond. To get out
while I was fighting my case, I would have took
it to the the whatever circuit at that point, you
know what I mean. There's no reason why I was
a flight risk. There's no reason why they had to
(15:27):
keep me in prison while I was fighting my case.
That was the biggest bs ever, all right. And I
don't know who or why, but somebody, somebody had it
out for me that didn't want to me obviously in
the country, all right, because I've seen a lot worse
people come out than me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
To me, I was like, not basically because my father's
case was over ten thousand dollars, but also in retrospect,
nobody goes to jail for ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
So by that point when my.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Dallars, that's what they claimed, Okay, but they that's.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
What made you a violent a flight rest that's what
made it.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It made it an aggravated uh aggravated felon, which doesn't
make any sense, you know what I mean. But what
happened was when we were doing uh, when we were
going before I got sentenced, and once you plead, it's
very hard to turn it over, you know what I mean?
Because my immigration attorney was fighting so hard to get
it because he understood and he knew I was right,
(16:32):
but he couldn't get the immigration guy to overturn it
because the first judge, judge whatever hell her name.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Is, Judge Salas.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, once she made you know, once you plead to something,
it's very hard for a judge to overturn it. And
it's they're not going to overturn it once they once,
once it's started, it's done, you know what I mean.
So once you plead to something, it's almost impossible. You
could try for years and years and years. I've seen
people fighting for twenty years while they were in prison,
(17:05):
and they became so good a you know law that
you know, going by going to the law library every
day they got they were actually better than the attorneys.
But by also pleading to what I pled to, it
was very hard to overturn it. Because they said that
I owed two lines of credit five hundred grand, Okay.
(17:29):
So I went to the bank, got the discharges from
the bank, proved to them that I didn't owe any money,
because I obviously if I would have owed, if I had,
you know, owed money, I would begin, you know, statements
to pay you know what I mean. So I knew
I didn't know. So I went to the bank at
the time, why COVID, and I said, listen, these are
the account numbers. Can you please give me you know,
(17:51):
if I owe the money, I'll pay you guys what
I'd have to pay the government for. So yeah, no probib.
She went upstate late, it was very nice, came down
said you don't know it's any money, right, these are
discharges and that was it. So we brought it back
and we fought. We fought, but they didn't want to
hear it. They basically said, listen, you got forty eight
hours to come up with a you know, a decision,
(18:13):
or we go to a trial.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
So and at the end of the day, nobody wants
to go to trial.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
No, nobody wants to go to trial. So they basically
gave us an ultimatom. So they said, all right, listen,
this is the deal. You go to prison, all right
for forty two months whatever it was forty one months,
your mother goes home, stays with the kids, and that's
the deal, and you got to pay a million and
(18:40):
a half dollars. We're like a million a half dollars.
What all right. So that was the deal. So we
had to end up paying a million and a half dollars,
which we paid I believe five hundred at the time
and whatever, you know, the payments, and I believe everything
is paid as well now. But it's it's just crazy,
you know what I mean, that we.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Had to say thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah. I was no burglar, I was no murderer, I
was nothing. I worked real hard to provide for my
family and that's so I did, all right. And yes,
they got me for a little fraud thing. They said
that I made a fraud. Okay, okay, fine, I did
a fraud.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Where did things go wrong with the fraud?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Normally, people when they get a fraud charge or they
get it whatever, you know, sometimes you'll get a fine,
you know what I mean. Normally back in the day,
they will give you like a fine. You know, they'll
give you a pretty much a slap on the wrist,
a fine and a you know, maybe house arrests sometimes
(19:43):
you know, or whatever, you know what I mean. But
nothing like serious.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I mean, if anything, if you did a really big fraud, okay,
like you know, they can't do like a Ponzi scheme
like what's his name over there, you know the guy
who you know made off of one of those things.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I mean, that's different, you know what I mean. Now
you're robbing everybody, you're literally robbing people. But when you're
signing a piece of paper just to get you know,
a loan of proof, then that's what most people did, right.
He would just sign a piece of paper like you know,
I'm sure I did plenty of times, you know what
I mean, and just signed whatever I signed, you know
what I mean. Half the times, you know, I just
read it over and the numbers whatever. But boom boom,
signed paper and that's it. That's closing, all right, And
(20:18):
uh that's just what you do, you know what I mean.
So now I should have only gotten not even a
year in prison. Mom should have got maybe probation, okay,
if that okay, if you were there, if you wanted
to go real hard on her. I got thirty six
months for that. Like literally, guys that were in there
three four times okay, for doing credit card scams okay,
(20:42):
and I know them, This guy Mike that was in there.
This guy was in there the third time credit card scams.
The third time, he got twenty two months, okay, And
I'm talking about this guy was ripping people off big time,
all right. And he was in there for twenty two
months the third time he got off. Okay, another he
was in there. This guy, this guy was big time,
(21:03):
all right. I mean, this guy was doing like they
couldn't find him for years, but he was doing it
for years. This guy, he literally got him for millions.
He put millions in India. He was smart. See now,
if I did that, I'd be happy, all right. I
don't care if I would have got him for twenty
five million, twenty eight million dollars. And they put me
in jail for three years with cares, you know what
I mean. But there was another guy. He was so
(21:26):
mad one day, right, this guy, and he's complaining, all right,
that he is in jail for two years and he
robbed the system for thirty six million dollars. And he
had the thirty six million dollars sitting somewhere, all right,
and they didn't never they never got it, all right.
And he was saying, yeah, they got me for two years.
I got to sit in here for two years. I'm like,
(21:46):
what'd you do? He goes, you know, I got him
for like thirty six million. I go, sorry, did they
get it back? Or did they or do you have
it somewhere? He goes, I have it so much. Oh.
I wanted to punch him right in his nose. I like,
what are you complaining about? You got thirty six million
dollars sitting waiting for you when you get out worried
about you know what I mean? These are guys that
are in there that scam the system, but they know
(22:06):
how to scam them. You know, a lot of them
get away with it. A lot of them don't. Obviously
a lot of them that are like billionaires that are
that were in there that you know, they had jets.
I've seen in there and uh, just totally get crushed.
I mean I mean they like literally this guys didn't
even have a dime left to their name. They just
like take everything. I mean they take everything, just like
they did to me. Don't come home there like me.
They froze all my accounts all right for like almost
(22:29):
six months to where all the banks were taken now,
you know, taking back the properties, all those properties that
worked hard for there should have been yours right now.
You know, they came in and just basically froze everything,
you know, because that's what they do. They don't care.
They came to the house. They wanted to take our furniture,
our artwork. They said that we had Picassos and all
(22:51):
this stuff hanging out. Picassos, what are you talking about?
You know. I was like, I was asking you what
I we got Paassos hanging on the wall, right, He's like,
what Picassos? You know what I mean. So I'm like, well,
they're coming in here to take all our you know, everything,
even our artwork. They say, there, we got Picasso's hanging
out over here, right. So I was like, I was like,
whatever they came in, we were able to stop it.
(23:12):
So they didn't, you know, take our furniture out and this,
that and the other thing. And I think it was
miles that I was actually able to stop it or that.
I don't know which attorney. We had so many damn
attornies at the time, but anyway, it was, Uh, it
was definitely a rough time. And uh, you know, listen
there we could go on and on with stories forever,
you know what I mean. So, uh, yeah, we definitely
(23:34):
went through some hard times, but look, we're gonna rise
above all out, you know what I mean, and that'll
all be behind us, you know, hopefully, and it is
behind us, you know what I mean, but hopefully one day,
you know what I mean. I just want to be
able to be able to come back there, you know,
spend time, you know, when I you know, when it's
your birthday, when it's whatever it might be. I mean,
I'm sure one day you're gonna get married. I like
(23:54):
to be there for your wedding so we don't have
to be like destination weddings and all this stuff like that.
It's a bad thing, but I mean, at the end
of the day, not everybody could come to the destination wedding.
I'm sure you want all your friends everybody to be there,
and you know, we'll figure it out. I mean, one
step at a time.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Speaking of rising above it, Trump recently pardoned the Christly
is what did you think about that?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I mean, look, I'm very happy that they got pardoned,
all right, I really am. I mean I think that
they got.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
A blessing for their family.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yes, I mean they got you know, I mean ten
years for what they did. I mean, come on, basically
the same thing that they charged me and your mother with.
You know what I mean. They but I think they
went to trial because I mean, I talked to Savannah
for briefly, you know, about the case, and I and
I believe that, you know, from what I remember, they
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went to trial, all right, and that's why they got
hit with such a lengthly sentence, which they probably would
have got less time than me and your mother, you know,
maybe the same time, you know what I mean. So
really the time that they served, they would have been
getting out anyway, you know what I mean, because you know,
they were both I believe, in a camp, you know
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what I mean, which doesn't matter when you're away, you're away,
you're still away, you know what I mean. You're not
with your family, you know what I mean, So it
doesn't matter where you're at. And so I mean, they
would have probably been getting out even if they took
a plea. They probably would have been getting out during
the same time that they actually got out, which is
a blessing for them because to spend ten years in
prison over over what, you know, whatever crime it was,
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you know what I mean that they said that they did,
you know what I mean, I don't know, you know
what I mean, if it's you know, I don't know
the case, do well, you know what I mean. But
it was just they didn't murder nobody, you know what
I mean. Murderers get ten years, you know what I mean.
They didn't do anything like that. I mean, they basically
whatever it was, it was, you know, uh, white collar
all right, it was a white collar crime. There's no
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reason why they should have got ten years. So yeah,
I'm glad that they got pardoned. I'm glad that they're
out and the family they're together and you know, as
it should be.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Have you reached out to Todd Chris Leason's Trump pardon him?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I didn't know. I don't really know that chrislies. I
don't know Todd. I mean, I would like to talk
to him. I mean, listen, right now, they're still you know,
getting their stuff together, you know what I mean, doing
everything they're doing. I'm sure or happy to be together.
I don't like to bother anybody, and I don't like to, like,
you know, get into you know how they did it,
and you know what they did and whatever. I mean, Listen,
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if something's gonna happen, it'll happen, you know what I mean,
By the grace of God, it'll happen. And that's all
you could you know, do is just you know, it's
all up to God. At the end of the day.
We're here every day only because of God. Otherwise we
wouldn't be here, you know what I mean. So we're
here every day you get up, you got to just
thank God for being alive. And that's it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
An, I've been writing letters to Trump and posting a
lot on social media asking for you to get pardoned.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I know you've been doing the same.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And a lot of people have, you know, obviously had
their comments on it. But at the end of the day,
I think everyone needs to realize that every girl, every
every daughter, every son, any family member would want their
father home, and that is all that we are asking for.
(27:19):
But is pardoning something that you want? Do you want
to come back to the US.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Of course I want to come back to the US.
I mean I only grew up there, you know. I
mean I was a year old when I came to
the US. And when I came to the US, I
came in legally, all right. If I would have came
in illegally, like over the wall, the Mexican border wall,
I wouldn't have got deported to how crazy there's immigration laws. Nobody,
it doesn't make any sense. It totally needs to be revamped,
(27:46):
redone and done the right way because it doesn't make
any sense the way it's actually the law. The immigration
law is crazy. I mean it's totally crazy. So because
I came in legally, that's why I got deported. Now,
people that came in illegally got out on bail and
were able to fight their case outside, which was crazy crazy.
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They couldn't understand it. And meanwhile I spent thousands and
tens of thousands of dollars on lawyers. My immigration attorney
said that what was you got to If you can
get the judge to amend one word, you won't get
deported in a sentence. All she had to do was
just a mend one word. Of course, thirty thousand dollars months.
(28:30):
That was another thing took months to do, all right,
nothing she wouldn't amend that one word. So I was like, wow,
you know, that was like a big, big blow right there.
So they wouldn't let me out, and that place in
there just broke me. I couldn't take being in there.
I mean I would rather have gone to heaven. And
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stayed in there, you know what I mean. That's how
bad it wasn't there. I mean I've seen that's different stories,
but I mean it was terrible in there. So to
get out of it was just a relief. Yeah, it
hurt once I was out, and then I hit Italy
and it actually hit home, you know what I mean.
That I wasn't actually home, you know what I mean.
Now I'm in Italy, where a place that I would
just go and visit, not really my home, you know
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what I mean. So that's when it hit, and that's
a whole different you know, that was a whole different
you know, lifestyle you had to get used to over there.
But listen, if you can adapt in prison, you're can
adapt anywhere, all right. So I adapted. I did what
I had to do, and now I'm here in the Bahamas,
closer to you guys, which is better, you know what
(29:37):
I mean, Not the same, but better, you know what
I mean. At least she's gonna come here and visit.
It's not too far. It's only a couple hours away,
which is a lot better than you know, having a
deal with twelve hours of traveling, you know, going to
Italy with between cars and this and that. You know,
it was a lot, so, you know, and this is
where we stand. So I mean, at the end of
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the day, we fought. We thought, It's not like we
didn't fight. We fought.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
You fought to make your way back here. It was
appeal after appeal, deny after denying. My dad came to
the point of skin and bones. I could he was
unrecognizable for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I was littally one hundred and sixty pounds, like not good.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
It was definitely a rough time, and you know, I
think it was discouraging because we really did fight hard,
and I think you know, we were you know, obviously
his kids, we were not where he was. So as
much as we were pushing him to stay and pushing
him to fight, once we actually went to go visit
him and I saw.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
How he was literally he was just depleting.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So once the appeals and just kept getting denied, and
every time we tried to do something, everything we did
just kept getting denied. He you know, he did tell
us like I can't do this anymore. So once we
heard that, obviously we want our dad here and not
(31:01):
anywhere else. So we want him physically with us. So
then that was when he got He called it quit
and they literally had him on a plane the next day.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It was the quickest It wasn't it wasn't quit, but
I didn't want to quit.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
But we know.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
But I'm saying that, like, they're so quick to get
you out of here, but they're so But if you
want to stay and keep fighting, they will let you
rot in there. Besides us, what have you missed the
most from your old life since being deported?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Old? I mean I missed doing what I was doing there.
I mean I missed real estate. I miss you know,
buying buildings and you know, renovating him and doing all that.
I mean, that was my life. That's what I did.
Even though nobody really knew what I did there. I
never really bragged about it or said anything about it,
you know what I mean. It's like as soon as
I was on the show, all right, and all these
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tenants that were in my buildings all of a sudden
started getting hurt and filing well suits and everything else.
It was like the craziest thing in the world, you
know what I mean. So anyway, yeah, I missed the
real estate, I miss a building, I miss renting apartments.
I missed that whole life, you know what I mean,
having everything I had there and I was king there,
(32:14):
you know what I mean. At the time, I had
almost four hundred apartments. Right now I probably have twenty
five one hundred apartments. You know, all the years I
only did I got those four hundred apartments. Did that
in like, you know, when I started getting at the
real estate, I mean all the big buildings. I actually
did it in like four or five years. But I
mean throughout my time, I had like over you know,
(32:36):
forty to fifty homes all over the place. You know,
you know, that's how I made my money.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
That's definitely something that I would love to learn if
you ever got brought back.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well, listen, I'm gonna teach you how to do it regardless,
all right. So it's very simple. It's not a hard
thing to do. I will walk you step by step
through the whole thing. That's easy. So, I mean, whenever
you're ready and you want something, but wait till the
prices go down. I think the prices are going to
go down. Interest rates are going to go down, and
that once that happens, then you know, you go looking
for something and you buy it. You know, you put
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very little money down as a first time buyer. You
I'm sure they'll you know, you don't have to put
that much money down and get something, you know, with
a few families, you know, two or three families. Whatever
it is that you can find. You don't mean even
not du plugs, whatever. You know, you have something paying
your mortgage, paying your bills from the one side, you
live on the other side, and then you just keep it,
you know what I mean. You let it build equity,
and then you just when you're ready to buy another home,
(33:30):
you pull some money out of there, a little money
out of your pocket. You're buying a home, you're a
regular home.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Are you dating anyone right now?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
We like her a lot. I know I'm wearing her
the necklace she got me. Actually, what I say, it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Look cute.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
She is sweet though, right.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
She's so sweet. Yeah, we love her.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
She's very nice. Yeah, so this is obviously a joke.
Question knock on wood. If mom and Lewis ever broke up,
would you and mom ever consider getting back together?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Alisten, I'll always be your mom's friend no matter what,
you know what I mean, So it doesn't matter. I mean,
I'll always be the same with it no matter what. Well,
I don't know. I mean, listen, you can never say never.
I mean, uh, but maybe when we're if we're still
alive when we're ninety, not honestly.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Oh, guys, make it a ninety Let's hope.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, that's hope. You know what I mean. But listen,
you don't know. I mean, in life, you never know.
But right now I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Margie's amazing, and obviously you guys are both happy, and
that's all that matters. That was really you know, what
we could only hope for us your kids is for
you both to just find happiness in all of this,
because there were definitely a lot of dark times and
all we want is for the both of you to
be happy and enjoy your life. And you know that's
(34:56):
what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So yeah, and I agree, And for my kids to
be happy, that's the most important thing.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So and you and Louie get along, which is great,
so you know, you respect him.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
We live in the we live under his roof.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So he's a good guy. I mean, he got he
gets uh. I don't know why they you know whatever,
But I mean, I guess they don't know him like
I know him, you know what I mean. I guess
they just know him from being on TV or whatever.
But I mean I think that if they actually met Louie,
then they'll see you different, you know, Louie, you know
than what they portray him to be on television, you
(35:30):
know what I mean? Or you know, I mean listen,
they could caught an edit and do anything they want
and make it look however the way they want on TV.
So there's a lot of things you could do. Same
thing you could do on your telephone when you do
your tiktoks and all this other stuff you could do
when you you know, when they're editing and doing the film.
So he could change everything. You can put words in
people's mouths. It's gets crazy what they could do. They
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could do it even through making shows and doing whatever.
A lot of things I don't believe, even Kate, like
even during that time up there, when you know, I
said that word that I didn't want to say. Now
I might have said it, but I mean there was
other things in there they kind of you know, twisted around.
I mean, it wasn't exactly and I look at the
(36:11):
time we were drinking a lot of wine as well,
But that's no excuse. But I think that they kind
of hit something to make it look like I was
really like, you know, and I was really talking to
my friend Alb. But I mean they made it sound
like I was talking to another girl. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
No, they definitely know how to twist things up. But
he is a great step dad and you guys have
a great relationship in a great respect level for each other,
which is really nice because that's all you want.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Also is as long as he treat you guys right,
you know, treat your mom right, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, because you know, obviously, like from our perspective, we
just want all our families to get along and have
a beautiful, blended family, and I think we do that.
And I mean, how would you describe you and Mom's
relationship after you were deported?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
After I was deported?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It was like kind of like whatever, you know. I mean,
it was you know, draining, you know what I mean,
all those years being a what part and doing this
and doing that? You know. I mean, but look, she
always did the right thing. She can't I can't say
(37:29):
nothing bad about your Mommy. Mom was always good but
I mean it was I guess it was just time
to just move on and just do whatever. I mean,
even if we would have tried, I mean, I don't
know how that would have worked out, you know what
I mean, how would that have worked that? You know
what I mean? If you live in Italy.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I think I think after you got deported, you guys
knew that, like it was, it was time to call
it quit.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
But I think what was you know admiring when you
guys did get.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Divorced, was that you guys always maintained your relationship because
I mean before you guys even had a romantic relationship
or got married, you guys were best friends growing up.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
You were always best friends.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
We'll always remain friends, you know what I mean. It's
just you know, look, we got four beautiful daughters, So
what else do we want in life? Four beautiful daughters,
and you know, thank god, they're all these guys are
all good and healthy and smart, and that's what matters
in life.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
So what else have you been up to in the Bahamas?
Any more fights in the future.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I haven't been really uh yeah, I haven't really been
training for any fight. But I mean, it wasn't easy
yet thought it would be you know, even though I
could fight, But I mean that boxing is like a
whole different level, you know what I mean. Like if
I'm able to use my feet and like takedowns and
stuff like that. I mean, that's what I know how
to do. I know how to take people down, break
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people's legs, you know. I know how to like choke people.
I know how to like grab people and make them submit.
You know what, hand things. I know how to do
all that stuff. You know what I mean. That's what
I trained my whole life. Boxing.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
You would kill it in kickboxing. Boxing is a little different.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Boxing, I like, you know what I mean. It wasn't
like but listen, I think I did pretty good. I
mean the kick with you know, the guy that I
fought was uh, it wasn't you know. I found out
that he's also a black belt as well, you know
what I mean. So he's not a slouch that guy,
you know, No, definitely not. And I mean he was
in good shape, but he was not a He was
definitely not a slouch, you know what I mean. I
(39:28):
took him a little light, you know what I mean.
I mean I did barely Ever, I didn't even trade
that much. To be honest with you, I really didn't
trade that much. I wasn't running, I wasn't doing nothing
like that. I really was. And I took him kind
of light and my goal was really just to go
in and uh. But he you know, he had he
was obviously a trained fighter as well, so I.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Mean he was it was in shape.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, it was a lot harder than I thought, you
know what I mean. And but whatever I did it,
you know what I mean. And I definitely hit him
a lot more times than he hit me.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Well yeah, at least you won. So what else have
you been up to in the Bahamas?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
So what I'm doing now is basically this. I see
every time I go on TikTok, you know what I'm cooking.
I'm doing something, you know what I mean. I do
a TikTok once in a while, you know, and people
always like, oh, we want to come cook, but we
want to come do this, but I want to come
do that way. So I'm like, So, anyway, we came
up with a like an idea. Actually we were just
around all right, and my neighbor actually came up with
(40:31):
the idea and he goes, well, why don't you do
some kind of like raffle thing where you could get
the people, you know what I mean, to just you
know ra you know, raffle, like a weekend with Joe
or something like that. So that's time I came up
with this weekend with Joe thing, right, So I talked
to a few people and they convinced me to do it.
Which now you know, it's going good. I mean, we're
selling a lot of tickets, you know, we're doing whatever.
(40:52):
But you think three thousand is like you sell right away,
But it's really not that easy to sell three thousand tickets.
It's a lot, you know I mean, So, I mean
it's going well, that's selling every day. And basically the
whole plan is, look, not everybody can afford, you know
what I mean, to come to the Bahamas. So with
fifteen dollars, yes, at three thousand, tickets are close to
(41:14):
that as all as it covers over forty something thousand,
because you can easily spend over twenty something thousand dollars
here in a weekend going you know nuts, you know
what I mean. You get lunches here are crazy dinners,
are crazy drinks of thirty dollars each Okay, So you
could definitely go through a lot of money here going
(41:35):
you know, balling out, you know what I mean? You know,
I mean, you've been here plenty of times and it's
very expensive here. It's not cheap by no means. And listen,
if you're going to do it, you're obviously gonna put
the people in a nice, nice place to stay. You're
not going to put them in a you know, a
roach infested place. So I mean, you got to put
them in a nice place, minimal five hundred a night
(41:55):
or better. Otherwise you know, you're not going to find something,
you know in between there, you know, so what a fire,
you know, close to a five star dinners. You gotta
give them breakfast. You gotta give them lunch, all right,
that's easy one every day in food you talk and uh,
you know, a lot of money. Then you gotta bring
them voating. You're gonna bring them on tours, right, those
(42:16):
tour things. You know how everything is here? Everything is
just expensive. Everywhere you go. You're shoveling money out. So
and I got to take three or four days out
of my time, so I gotta make money as well,
you know what I mean, I can't just do it
for nothing, you know what I mean. But the thing is,
you got like, let's just say somebody wins, like I see,
I hear a lot of people. You know, Oh, I
(42:36):
just want I'll come by myself, or I'll bring this
person I'll bring out. Yeah, you're allowed to bring yourself.
You know. Whatever the winner is could bring another person
with them or a little blind or a mother or
whatever they want to do. Three four people, I don't care,
you know what I mean. But if you win, Let's
say one person wins, an he got nobody to bring?
What shout out? If they would have nobody to bring,
(42:58):
I would have another draw and I would pick two people,
you know what I mean, So that two people win.
You can't just have one person win, you know what
I mean. So you have two people win and you
just pick two people out of their draw, you know
what I mean. So I mean, it's actually a pretty
good business thing. And it could go on and you know,
listen for the amount of money that you spend and
it's only fifteen bucks. But I think next time, I
(43:19):
only a brea. Once this is done and it hits
the limit and I pick that winner, I want to
raise it up to twenty five, so you don't have
as many people, you know what I mean. So you
want to bring it down to like less people, which
is actually a pretty good business thing. I mean, I
do have the boats out here, I do have everything
out here, so I mean, you know, and I know
everywhere to go on the island, you know what I mean.
(43:41):
And here you have seven hundred islands. You don't have
just one island, you know what I mean. So in
one day, you know, we could go here. Next day,
if they want to go on a boat again, I'll
take them to go boat to another place. I mean,
whatever they want to do their weekend is what they
want to do.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
So we're doing weekends with Joe. Are you working on
some construction out there?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I am working on construction or I'm getting a lot
of things in the works with construction and just waiting
on a couple of big things to come through, and
hopefully they come through so I can get back into
the I would love to get back into the real
estate game out here because that's what I love doing.
And I mean the real estate out here is very
good and I could definitely see myself getting back into
(44:21):
it out here, for sure. And even if I'm allowed
back over there, I'll definitely be here working with real
estate here, you know what I mean. So that's my thing,
is definitely getting back into the real estate thing. And
it looks it's not easy out here. It's very expensive,
all right, It's not an easy way to live out here.
(44:42):
But once you get into it, you know, it takes
a few years to get everything down and together, you
know what I mean, and stuff like that, Bob, Once
you're in there and you're doing it right, you can
make money.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
So the last thing that I'm going to ask you,
the fans are dying to know if you really sell
sex toys, tell them that this was the past thing.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, that was actually when I first got out of
prison during COVID. Okay, so I made a deal with
the guy to where he paid me thirty percent of
what he grossed every month, and it was actually very
profitable for me though, you know what I mean. I
gotta say when I got out, I was making five six,
seven thousand dollars a month doing that. It was actually
(45:22):
very good.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
So no more sex toys, No more.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Sex toys, Zam. But it was very profitable during COVID.
I thought it was a great idea, you know.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
I mean yeah, people were bored, I guess.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
So anyway, I'm so happy for you and your new show,
Next Gen n y C. Now, I don't know if
that's true or now, but I heard that it's the
highest rated show in Bravo. Is that true? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:46):
We were the highest rated first, like highest rated premiere
show ever on Bravo. So like our first episode was
the like our premiere for Next Gen. M I see
our first episode that aired the highest rated show on Bravo.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Wow, okay, what about throughout the season? I mean still
I heard that I had the highest rates.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
I mean yeah, yeah, we still did great throughout the season.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I mean I didn't watch every episode, but I did
watch a few, you know what I mean, because I
would sit there and lay in bed and watch it
with because Margie would watch it all the time, and
I would watch and I mean I thought it was
pretty funny. I liked it. I mean it was enjoyable
to watch, you know what I mean. It was definitely
a good show.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah, it wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
So now are showing the older demographic they need to
watch it because I feel like it's definitely a younger
demographic show, but tying in like Mom and other like
housewives and stuff, it makes it a little more intriguing
for everybody, for all you know, all ages to watch it.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah. I thought it was good. I thought it was
very good. And I think that'll do very well with
that show.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
So we're waiting right now to here if we're going
to get a season two.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I'm sure you're going to get a season two.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
So we did that, and now I'm just working on
you know, Casual Chaos. I just launched another podcast called
Dirty Rush and now we're just working and I'm working.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
What's a Dirty Rush?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
It's a new podcast.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
So I have this podcast, Casual Chaos, and then I
also have another podcast with two other two other women,
Jen Fessler and Daisy Kent. And so it's the three
of us because we all three of us were in
sororities at college.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
So it's basically we're going to have like a hotline where.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
People call in tell their sorority stories. Moms can relate
to Jen Fesler because she's older then like me and Daisy.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Daisy's twenty ses. She was a friend of Jersey on
Jersey Housewives.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
That sounds familiar to they.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yeah, she was on Jersey as a friend, not a housewife,
but like she was on like you know, she was
on the show. Okay, but she works with iHeartRadio. So
it's me, Jen Fessler and Daisy Kent. Daisy got a
lot of recognition from being on the Bachelor. But it's
us three and we're basically going to talk to mom's
(48:16):
girls that are going into college thinking about rushing a sorority,
girls that have Russia sorority, kind of talk about the
experience because it gets pretty crazy, especially down South, rushing
a sorority.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
There's a lot that goes into it and a lot
of things.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
So there's never been a sorority podcast before, so we're
starting that too. So it's been really exciting, a lot
of good things.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, that's good. That's good.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
I'm really happy for you. And you're very good at
doing that as well. Thanks to very good, very good
to you. You learned good. And you know who's the
other housewife?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
I guess Siggy Flicker was on the Housewives when I
was away, right did she come on? How long was
she on the Housewives for?
Speaker 1 (48:59):
I don't I think she was on for like maybe
two years. But yeah, I know you've been in contact
with Seggie Flecker. She's been amazing.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
And she she's such a nice person.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
She really is. And she's had our family and her
prayers for sure.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, she's such a nice person. She's got kids too.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Right, two kids and girls.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
She has a point to go. I think I saw
something that was her daughter getting married or something.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
No, I don't think so maybe her son, maybe her
son got engaged.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Somebody got engaged something like that. Maybe, sure, Yeah, but
I'm glad that she's up there. And you know what.
The other crazy thing is that we were on the Apprentice,
you know, so I was thinking that Trump would have
maybe pardon me when I first got it, you know
what I mean, because I was very friendly with him.
You know, we were friends. I mean, we talked in
his office, We had lunch together a few times, you know,
(49:55):
one time downstairs, you know what I mean. We spoke
in his office for a while. His father owned properties
where I used to have properties in East Orange, and
we spoke for a while, and I knew exact building
that he was talking about because my building was on
Glidwood Avenue right here. And he had one, I believe
one of the office buildings that was, you know, sitting
right across the street his father's stone back in the day.
(50:15):
And you know, so we got along good. I mean
throughout the whole show. I mean, he was actually I
never wanted to bother him too much because he was
always busy, you know what I mean, doing this and
you know, and doing everything. You know, because he's a
busy guy. And he would always go out of his
way come and shake my hand, which I thought was
very nice. So I mean, I was like really open
that he was gonna do something while I was away,
(50:37):
you know what I mean. I was like, you know what,
I hope he gives me a part. But obviously I
wasn't on his mind.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
But yeah, I mean even during that time when you
were away, we were constantly writing letters, character letters, and
I just recently did that again, so you know, and
hopefully hopefully there was awareness and recognition that comes from
all of those.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, let's see what happens. I mean, look, by the way,
dude is just pretty good. And see what happens, you
know what I mean, Uh, hopefully it does. You know.
You gotta just stay positive, always stay positive, good things
will happen.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yes, all right dad, Well, I love you so much
and thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
I love you so baby, and thank you for having
me on.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
All right.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
I love you, love this, keep love you. I love
you more. I'll call you and I'm in the car
with Adriana, all right. Bye, bye, Okay, I love you. Bye.
Hey guys, and welcome back to another week of Casual Chaos.
This week I have someone on my podcast too, I
love very much, Dad. Welcome to Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Thank you, Gia. You're so pretty and I'm so happy
to be a dad. You're like the greatest daughter ever.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Oh thanks, Dad, I love you.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
You've had such a fun month with so many visitors
coming to see you. You had your aunt, your cousin Malania,
and Gabriella, your sister came with all of her kids
and her husband.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You're just such a busy guy.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I know, very tiring. Last night I was so tired. Actually, yeah,
they went to Bahamar again. I had to tap out.
You just got to tap out sometimes.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I mean, you have been going for a while. Well,
Zianna got there, Audriana was with you for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So Adriana just left Jess that I'm so sad.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
A lot of people always wonder if I'm the closest
to you out of all of all of us, but
I feel like we're all close to you, and our
own way is I think just because I'm older, you know,
obviously we have a different bond. But I feel like
you're close to all of us.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I mean it took me
a little bit, like with Adriana, you know what I mean,
like when I got out and everything, because I was
away for a little bit. So she was like a
little you know at the beginning. But now she's like
totally fine. She's like so cute.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
But well, yeah, because she was so young when he
was like, I went, yeah, she was six, So then,
you know, when as she was growing up, she didn't
have you, you know, there and present as she was
you know, becoming into beautiful young lady that she is now,
but she was you know, you could tell she always
(01:51):
missed that.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
She always missed.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Having that father figure, and it obviously did take her
a little time because it was almost like she had
to get to know you all over. So but now
you know, she loves it. She was basically there with
you alone for this whole time until you know, the
family showed up. But she and she wanted that this time.
She really wanted that alone time with you and.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
To just be with you.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So you could tell she always wants that and definitely
misses those moments.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, she's so cute.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So let's start from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Tell me about how you and Mom decided and agreed
on doing The Real Housewives in New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
What was that conversation?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Like I was during that time the Real Housewives. I
probably was renovating about one hundred and fifty units at
the time when I was renovating our home as well, right,
And what was only supposed to do be a simple
quick renovation because our home was actually pretty cool when
we first bought it, you know what I mean. It
was contemporary and actually we should have left it like that.
(02:51):
During that design and everything that we was going on,
she came up with this housewife stuf Right, So this
was many years ago, you know, So I was like,
what's the Housewives? Like? What is this? You know what
I mean? She's like because at the time, there was
only I think one housewife, which I think was Orange
(03:15):
County or something like that or whatever. It was only
one housewife, so it wasn't very popular, you know what
I mean. It wasn't like everybody knew about it or anything.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It was like Orange County in New York.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But I don't know, I mean, I don't remember exactly
who was whatever, But it wasn't like a big thing,
you know what. I mean, so I didn't know about it.
So basically she was like and he you know, they
came in, well just do this interview with them and whatever.
I'm like, for what, you know, They're like, just do
(03:45):
the interview. Let's just do the interview, right whatever. So
I had to go to the house, you know what
I mean, while she was there, and I think that
I don't know if they showed it or not, but
they you know, when she was at the top of
the staircase or but I was during when the house
was under construction, So I don't know if they showed
that part or not. But this is when they were
(04:06):
interviewing us, and I said, I forgot what they asked me.
They asked me something, and I said, well, listen, if
we make it through this construction phase here and me
and my ex are still together or she's still alive,
that's going to be a big plus, you know what
I mean. So so they were like whatever, And then
(04:28):
you know, after that interview, they would just wouldn't leave
us alone. It was like they just would not leave
us alone. Every day for about a year, they were calling,
you know, like calling every day for a year yr year.
By that time, the house was you know, pretty much complete,
you know what I mean. And that's when we started
moving in. I think they started filming or I don't
(04:48):
think they filmed this when we were staying at the
other house that I had over there, like the park
did they no, right?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
No, thank god?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah. So anyway, during that time, I think.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Adriana was we were literally living in the woods, like
we were living in the woods our playroom, Like my
dad couldn't come up there because his head would hit
the ceiling. It was like definitely made us closer as
a family, I would say, but we were on top
(05:17):
of each other living in the woods. So then the
show started, So did you and mom talk to us
about it? Or like, did you guys ever have a
conversation with us about like being on TV?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I don't really remember.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I don't think so. I mean your mother kind of
once we signed, I mean, it was kind of like,
you know, a big blur after that, you know what
I mean. It was like, you know, I think the
first year we had that big party in my great room,
all right. I think that show coushed me one hundred
and fifty thousand the first year, all right, and uh.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Oh, like like housewives.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
You know, you're displaying every housewife throughout all franchises. They're
just playing their lives and the parties.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And the glam and all of that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And a lot of housewives will tell you, not just us,
but you don't get obviously paid that much money filming
a first season show. Your pay obviously grows as the
seasons go on.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
We got to paid nothing in the first season. I'll
even say it was like twenty five thousand. I mean
it was ridiculous, but whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
But so when you're throwing parties and stuff like that,
especially for the first season, you're putting in more money
than you're actually getting out of it. So then obviously,
you know, you grow and make your way and make
your name, but for the first season when you're obviously
trying to. But this wasn't anything out of the norm.
(06:48):
My mom loved my mom and dad, especially my dad.
He loves company. They loved throwing parties, having people over.
So it wasn't like this was anything crazy. But it
was just what we would do.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Every weekend. I mean I didn't I listen, I didn't
I didn't care. I mean every weekend I had people
in my house. I would have my dad wouldn't wait.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
The neighbor from down the street over. My dad meets
you in the grocery store. Oh, come over for dinner.
We're having a big meal tonight.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
No, I don't know about that, but I mean, you know,
it's not too fair we meet people.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I mean, if we meet people and I.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Like them, yeah, you love love the company. But our
lives were on full display, the good and the bad.
So Mom was literally filmed leaving our home from jail.
The show was on pause until she came home. Do
you regret anything shown on TV?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, a few episodes like the one up or we
were at the vineyard or something. I called your mother something.
I know, it was a very nice I mean I
don't but that was just out of pure you know,
drinking wine and enough was enough, you know what I mean.
We were stuck there and for like a week I think,
in this house, just drinking wine every day. I couldn't
even look at wine anymore. And I think it was
(08:09):
Caroline's birthday and we were just getting ready to leave too,
I think the next day or two days from before leaving,
and it was just like you know, like sometimes they
just it just gets so chaotic with everybody around, because
all they want you to do is just start drama
and do this and do that. They don't want you
to just hang out, and they don't have a normal time,
you know what I mean. They it just you know,
(08:30):
they just want you to start with something or ask
them about this, or ask them something personal about this
that'll piss them off, and ask them this. And it
went around with all the people, you know what I mean,
Like that's what the that's their job. I mean, their
job is to go around and stir up you know
whatever they could stir up and cause you know, nobody
wants a boring show obviously, so and that's what they do.
(08:51):
So I mean, they would stir this up, stir that up.
And so it's never like really relaxing after like especially
being together for like I think we were together that
time for a little while. We were on campers. We
ended up at the vineyard, we were camping together, and
then we ended up you know, in the house I
think for like four or five days. We ended up
in the campers for like four five It was a
(09:12):
lot of time to be together with a bunch of people,
you know what I mean, and always starting over something,
you know what I mean. It was always like some
kind of conflict we had to have. I think we
even surfed that time we went surfing. It was all
during that same time, you know what I mean, And
we did like a lot. That was the time with
the Manzos, you know, that was in the beginning. That
was in like the beginning season when we did all that.
(09:32):
That's wrobably one of the episodes that I you know
that I regret and what else? What other one? I
mean not really, I mean the rest was the rest
was whatever I mean, But that was really the only
part that really wasn't me because I don't even use
that word. I hate that word. And and why you
came out of my mouth? I had no idea, And
I regret the time. Actually all this stuff happening on
(09:54):
television obviously, with this, you know, with the fraud and
all this other stuff that, you know, I don't think
they would have even bothered me if I wasn't on television.
But listen, at the time, my attorney called me up
and said that I was a target, all right, which
Miles fine scene is now dead and I knew him,
and he called me and he said, listen, Joey goes,
(10:15):
I just want you to know that in about whatever
you're in under investigation and you're a target, you know
what I meanly for what And they're like, I'm just
telling you, this is just what I heard. I didn't
believe him, all right, but it was true and also
sure enough in twenty twelve I think it was, or
(10:37):
whenever you had twenty twelve, I think we got indicted
and that's when all the crap began.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So you've had some iconic moments on the Real Housewives,
and that's why fans literally love you until this day.
They just love how authentic you always were on camera
and you can see that from a mile away. There
was even that one scene when Mommy was away and
you were trying to look for us on the little
(11:11):
Quad and you were trying to find us, chasing us
around and because you didn't have a license, so you
were looking for us on the little Quad and then
the other time that is still one of your iconic moments,
but again you definitely had too much wine.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Is when you did the front flip and chipped your tooth.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh my god, everybody loves it. I'm like, actually, I
actually am back to saying when you started crying, that
was that because.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Well, you literally hit your face so hard.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I didn't hit it hard. I hit a tooth that
was already chipped. And now when I hit it actually
just fell out. The filler actually just fell out because
and that filler was in, believe it or not, for
a very long time, since I was like sixteen years old,
you know what I mean. So, but you.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Have you had too much wine that night. That was
too much.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
We we did, We had a lot of wine. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Do you remember that you chasing us on the little quad?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Uh no, I.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Don't really remember it either, but it's on. It's on
when we filmed while mommy was away. And then the
other time when you dropped your phone in the pond.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, that I remember.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
That was so.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Funny, Melania, I think because she was throwing some stuff
in the water and get really it's like she's throwing
dog food or something in the water or what she
was doing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But uh, yeah, she was throwing dog food in the water.
And then she went on the little quad and.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Goes see us suckers or goodbye suckers. Yeah, and then
you turned around and your phone went straight into the water.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
My phone went right into the water.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What is one memory that you are so happy was
captured by the cameras.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I mean, we did that one scene when our whole
family took a picture to go other remember when everybody
was alive. I mean that was nice.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, that was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So that's a nice scene. And I think that we
were already under uh uh you know, was already starting
at the time when the you know, the lawsuits and
all that crap were already in play.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, no, they were what was there? Everyone was there?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, So that's that was nice. And you know it's
nice because now you get to see in my camera
every once in a while. I mean, so that's the
only nice part about it. I mean you get to
see you know, your family. That's uh, you know obviously
not here with us right now, but I mean get
to see no noah lie, you get to see you
no no, you know, my father. So I mean that's
(13:41):
the nice parts. And all you guys, you know, growing
up like little luh, you know, you were like so cute,
you know, growing up and like all these little times
that you would just not even remember, you know what
I mean. But every time you see these like times
on camera.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Flash forward to twenty fourteen. You were sentenced to forty
one months in prison and we're immediately deported to Italy
once you were released. From your point of view, who
took you being deported the hardest in the family.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I mean, look, I think everybody you know took it hard.
You know, everybody did, you know, probably like between the kids,
I would say, I'm sure, like listen, all of you is,
including myself. I mean, it wasn't easy for anybody. But
(14:35):
I mean I would say maybe Millennia, Maybe I don't,
probably Millennia. Yeah, but I think everybody, you know what
I mean, everybody you know, my mother, my brother, I
mean everybody.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I mean I think we all definitely went through our hardships.
Like I definitely went through it a little bit. I
think it was like, you know, the point that we
were fighting so hard to get you to come home,
and was just you know, you stayed in. You stayed
in ice eight months after your sentence.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I was in eight months, and I would have fought
it all the way through. If I would have, they
would have just gave me bond, which I don't understand
why they wouldn't give me a bond. To get out
while I was fighting my case, I would have took
it to the the whatever circuit at that point, you
know what I mean. There's no reason why I was
a flight risk. There's no reason why they had to
(15:27):
keep me in prison while I was fighting my case.
That was the biggest bs ever, all right. And I
don't know who or why, but somebody, somebody had it
out for me that didn't want to me obviously in
the country, all right, because I've seen a lot worse
people come out than me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
To me, I was like, not basically because my father's
case was over ten thousand dollars, but also in retrospect,
nobody goes to jail for ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
So by that point when my.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Dallars, that's what they claimed, Okay, but they that's.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
What made you a violent a flight rest that's what
made it.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It made it an aggravated uh aggravated felon, which doesn't
make any sense, you know what I mean. But what
happened was when we were doing uh, when we were
going before I got sentenced, and once you plead, it's
very hard to turn it over, you know what I mean?
Because my immigration attorney was fighting so hard to get
it because he understood and he knew I was right,
(16:32):
but he couldn't get the immigration guy to overturn it
because the first judge, judge whatever hell her name.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Is, Judge Salas.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, once she made you know, once you plead to something,
it's very hard for a judge to overturn it. And
it's they're not going to overturn it once they once,
once it's started, it's done, you know what I mean.
So once you plead to something, it's almost impossible. You
could try for years and years and years. I've seen
people fighting for twenty years while they were in prison,
(17:05):
and they became so good a you know law that
you know, going by going to the law library every
day they got they were actually better than the attorneys.
But by also pleading to what I pled to, it
was very hard to overturn it. Because they said that
I owed two lines of credit five hundred grand, Okay.
(17:29):
So I went to the bank, got the discharges from
the bank, proved to them that I didn't owe any money,
because I obviously if I would have owed, if I had,
you know, owed money, I would begin, you know, statements
to pay you know what I mean. So I knew
I didn't know. So I went to the bank at
the time, why COVID, and I said, listen, these are
the account numbers. Can you please give me you know,
(17:51):
if I owe the money, I'll pay you guys what
I'd have to pay the government for. So yeah, no probib.
She went upstate late, it was very nice, came down
said you don't know it's any money, right, these are
discharges and that was it. So we brought it back
and we fought. We fought, but they didn't want to
hear it. They basically said, listen, you got forty eight
hours to come up with a you know, a decision,
(18:13):
or we go to a trial.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
So and at the end of the day, nobody wants
to go to trial.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
No, nobody wants to go to trial. So they basically
gave us an ultimatom. So they said, all right, listen,
this is the deal. You go to prison, all right
for forty two months whatever it was forty one months,
your mother goes home, stays with the kids, and that's
the deal, and you got to pay a million and
(18:40):
a half dollars. We're like a million a half dollars.
What all right. So that was the deal. So we
had to end up paying a million and a half dollars,
which we paid I believe five hundred at the time
and whatever, you know, the payments, and I believe everything
is paid as well now. But it's it's just crazy,
you know what I mean, that we.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Had to say thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah. I was no burglar, I was no murderer, I
was nothing. I worked real hard to provide for my
family and that's so I did, all right. And yes,
they got me for a little fraud thing. They said
that I made a fraud. Okay, okay, fine, I did
a fraud.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Where did things go wrong with the fraud?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Normally, people when they get a fraud charge or they
get it whatever, you know, sometimes you'll get a fine,
you know what I mean. Normally back in the day,
they will give you like a fine. You know, they'll
give you a pretty much a slap on the wrist,
a fine and a you know, maybe house arrests sometimes
(19:43):
you know, or whatever, you know what I mean. But
nothing like serious.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I mean, if anything, if you did a really big fraud, okay,
like you know, they can't do like a Ponzi scheme
like what's his name over there, you know the guy
who you know made off of one of those things.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I mean, that's different, you know what I mean. Now
you're robbing everybody, you're literally robbing people. But when you're
signing a piece of paper just to get you know,
a loan of proof, then that's what most people did, right.
He would just sign a piece of paper like you know,
I'm sure I did plenty of times, you know what
I mean, and just signed whatever I signed, you know
what I mean. Half the times, you know, I just
read it over and the numbers whatever. But boom boom,
signed paper and that's it. That's closing, all right, And
(20:18):
uh that's just what you do, you know what I mean.
So now I should have only gotten not even a
year in prison. Mom should have got maybe probation, okay,
if that okay, if you were there, if you wanted
to go real hard on her. I got thirty six
months for that. Like literally, guys that were in there
three four times okay, for doing credit card scams okay,
(20:42):
and I know them, This guy Mike that was in there.
This guy was in there the third time credit card scams.
The third time, he got twenty two months, okay, And
I'm talking about this guy was ripping people off big time,
all right. And he was in there for twenty two
months the third time he got off. Okay, another he
was in there. This guy, this guy was big time,
(21:03):
all right. I mean, this guy was doing like they
couldn't find him for years, but he was doing it
for years. This guy, he literally got him for millions.
He put millions in India. He was smart. See now,
if I did that, I'd be happy, all right. I
don't care if I would have got him for twenty
five million, twenty eight million dollars. And they put me
in jail for three years with cares, you know what
I mean. But there was another guy. He was so
(21:26):
mad one day, right, this guy, and he's complaining, all right,
that he is in jail for two years and he
robbed the system for thirty six million dollars. And he
had the thirty six million dollars sitting somewhere, all right,
and they didn't never they never got it, all right.
And he was saying, yeah, they got me for two years.
I got to sit in here for two years. I'm like,
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what'd you do? He goes, you know, I got him
for like thirty six million. I go, sorry, did they
get it back? Or did they or do you have
it somewhere? He goes, I have it so much. Oh.
I wanted to punch him right in his nose. I like,
what are you complaining about? You got thirty six million
dollars sitting waiting for you when you get out worried
about you know what I mean? These are guys that
are in there that scam the system, but they know
(22:06):
how to scam them. You know, a lot of them
get away with it. A lot of them don't. Obviously
a lot of them that are like billionaires that are
that were in there that you know, they had jets.
I've seen in there and uh, just totally get crushed.
I mean I mean they like literally this guys didn't
even have a dime left to their name. They just
like take everything. I mean they take everything, just like
they did to me. Don't come home there like me.
They froze all my accounts all right for like almost
(22:29):
six months to where all the banks were taken now,
you know, taking back the properties, all those properties that
worked hard for there should have been yours right now.
You know, they came in and just basically froze everything,
you know, because that's what they do. They don't care.
They came to the house. They wanted to take our furniture,
our artwork. They said that we had Picassos and all
(22:51):
this stuff hanging out. Picassos, what are you talking about?
You know. I was like, I was asking you what
I we got Paassos hanging on the wall, right, He's like,
what Picassos? You know what I mean. So I'm like, well,
they're coming in here to take all our you know, everything,
even our artwork. They say, there, we got Picasso's hanging
out over here, right. So I was like, I was like,
whatever they came in, we were able to stop it.
(23:12):
So they didn't, you know, take our furniture out and this,
that and the other thing. And I think it was
miles that I was actually able to stop it or that.
I don't know which attorney. We had so many damn
attornies at the time, but anyway, it was, Uh, it
was definitely a rough time. And uh, you know, listen
there we could go on and on with stories forever,
you know what I mean. So, uh, yeah, we definitely
(23:34):
went through some hard times, but look, we're gonna rise
above all out, you know what I mean, and that'll
all be behind us, you know, hopefully, and it is
behind us, you know what I mean, but hopefully one day,
you know what I mean. I just want to be
able to be able to come back there, you know,
spend time, you know, when I you know, when it's
your birthday, when it's whatever it might be. I mean,
I'm sure one day you're gonna get married. I like
(23:54):
to be there for your wedding so we don't have
to be like destination weddings and all this stuff like that.
It's a bad thing, but I mean, at the end
of the day, not everybody could come to the destination wedding.
I'm sure you want all your friends everybody to be there,
and you know, we'll figure it out. I mean, one
step at a time.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Speaking of rising above it, Trump recently pardoned the Christly
is what did you think about that?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I mean, look, I'm very happy that they got pardoned,
all right, I really am. I mean I think that
they got.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
A blessing for their family.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yes, I mean they got you know, I mean ten
years for what they did. I mean, come on, basically
the same thing that they charged me and your mother with.
You know what I mean. They but I think they
went to trial because I mean, I talked to Savannah
for briefly, you know, about the case, and I and
I believe that, you know, from what I remember, they
(24:45):
went to trial, all right, and that's why they got
hit with such a lengthly sentence, which they probably would
have got less time than me and your mother, you know,
maybe the same time, you know what I mean. So
really the time that they served, they would have been
getting out anyway, you know what I mean, because you know,
they were both I believe, in a camp, you know
(25:05):
what I mean, which doesn't matter when you're away, you're away,
you're still away, you know what I mean. You're not
with your family, you know what I mean, So it
doesn't matter where you're at. And so I mean, they
would have probably been getting out even if they took
a plea. They probably would have been getting out during
the same time that they actually got out, which is
a blessing for them because to spend ten years in
prison over over what, you know, whatever crime it was,
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you know what I mean that they said that they did,
you know what I mean, I don't know, you know
what I mean, if it's you know, I don't know
the case, do well, you know what I mean. But
it was just they didn't murder nobody, you know what
I mean. Murderers get ten years, you know what I mean.
They didn't do anything like that. I mean, they basically
whatever it was, it was, you know, uh, white collar
all right, it was a white collar crime. There's no
(25:49):
reason why they should have got ten years. So yeah,
I'm glad that they got pardoned. I'm glad that they're
out and the family they're together and you know, as
it should be.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Have you reached out to Todd Chris Leason's Trump pardon him?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I didn't know. I don't really know that chrislies. I
don't know Todd. I mean, I would like to talk
to him. I mean, listen, right now, they're still you know,
getting their stuff together, you know what I mean, doing
everything they're doing. I'm sure or happy to be together.
I don't like to bother anybody, and I don't like to, like,
you know, get into you know how they did it,
and you know what they did and whatever. I mean, Listen,
(26:22):
if something's gonna happen, it'll happen, you know what I mean,
By the grace of God, it'll happen. And that's all
you could you know, do is just you know, it's
all up to God. At the end of the day.
We're here every day only because of God. Otherwise we
wouldn't be here, you know what I mean. So we're
here every day you get up, you got to just
thank God for being alive. And that's it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
An, I've been writing letters to Trump and posting a
lot on social media asking for you to get pardoned.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I know you've been doing the same.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And a lot of people have, you know, obviously had
their comments on it. But at the end of the day,
I think everyone needs to realize that every girl, every
every daughter, every son, any family member would want their
father home, and that is all that we are asking for.
(27:19):
But is pardoning something that you want? Do you want
to come back to the US.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Of course I want to come back to the US.
I mean I only grew up there, you know. I
mean I was a year old when I came to
the US. And when I came to the US, I
came in legally, all right. If I would have came
in illegally, like over the wall, the Mexican border wall,
I wouldn't have got deported to how crazy there's immigration laws. Nobody,
it doesn't make any sense. It totally needs to be revamped,
(27:46):
redone and done the right way because it doesn't make
any sense the way it's actually the law. The immigration
law is crazy. I mean it's totally crazy. So because
I came in legally, that's why I got deported. Now,
people that came in illegally got out on bail and
were able to fight their case outside, which was crazy crazy.
(28:08):
They couldn't understand it. And meanwhile I spent thousands and
tens of thousands of dollars on lawyers. My immigration attorney
said that what was you got to If you can
get the judge to amend one word, you won't get
deported in a sentence. All she had to do was
just a mend one word. Of course, thirty thousand dollars months.
(28:30):
That was another thing took months to do, all right,
nothing she wouldn't amend that one word. So I was like, wow,
you know, that was like a big, big blow right there.
So they wouldn't let me out, and that place in
there just broke me. I couldn't take being in there.
I mean I would rather have gone to heaven. And
(28:52):
stayed in there, you know what I mean. That's how
bad it wasn't there. I mean I've seen that's different stories,
but I mean it was terrible in there. So to
get out of it was just a relief. Yeah, it
hurt once I was out, and then I hit Italy
and it actually hit home, you know what I mean.
That I wasn't actually home, you know what I mean.
Now I'm in Italy, where a place that I would
just go and visit, not really my home, you know
(29:14):
what I mean. So that's when it hit, and that's
a whole different you know, that was a whole different
you know, lifestyle you had to get used to over there.
But listen, if you can adapt in prison, you're can
adapt anywhere, all right. So I adapted. I did what
I had to do, and now I'm here in the Bahamas,
closer to you guys, which is better, you know what
(29:37):
I mean, Not the same, but better, you know what
I mean. At least she's gonna come here and visit.
It's not too far. It's only a couple hours away,
which is a lot better than you know, having a
deal with twelve hours of traveling, you know, going to
Italy with between cars and this and that. You know,
it was a lot, so, you know, and this is
where we stand. So I mean, at the end of
(29:57):
the day, we fought. We thought, It's not like we
didn't fight. We fought.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
You fought to make your way back here. It was
appeal after appeal, deny after denying. My dad came to
the point of skin and bones. I could he was
unrecognizable for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I was littally one hundred and sixty pounds, like not good.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
It was definitely a rough time, and you know, I
think it was discouraging because we really did fight hard,
and I think you know, we were you know, obviously
his kids, we were not where he was. So as
much as we were pushing him to stay and pushing
him to fight, once we actually went to go visit
him and I saw.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
How he was literally he was just depleting.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So once the appeals and just kept getting denied, and
every time we tried to do something, everything we did
just kept getting denied. He you know, he did tell
us like I can't do this anymore. So once we
heard that, obviously we want our dad here and not
(31:01):
anywhere else. So we want him physically with us. So
then that was when he got He called it quit
and they literally had him on a plane the next day.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It was the quickest It wasn't it wasn't quit, but
I didn't want to quit.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
But we know.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
But I'm saying that, like, they're so quick to get
you out of here, but they're so But if you
want to stay and keep fighting, they will let you
rot in there. Besides us, what have you missed the
most from your old life since being deported?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Old? I mean I missed doing what I was doing there.
I mean I missed real estate. I miss you know,
buying buildings and you know, renovating him and doing all that.
I mean, that was my life. That's what I did.
Even though nobody really knew what I did there. I
never really bragged about it or said anything about it,
you know what I mean. It's like as soon as
I was on the show, all right, and all these
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tenants that were in my buildings all of a sudden
started getting hurt and filing well suits and everything else.
It was like the craziest thing in the world, you
know what I mean. So anyway, yeah, I missed the
real estate, I miss a building, I miss renting apartments.
I missed that whole life, you know what I mean,
having everything I had there and I was king there,
(32:14):
you know what I mean. At the time, I had
almost four hundred apartments. Right now I probably have twenty
five one hundred apartments. You know, all the years I
only did I got those four hundred apartments. Did that
in like, you know, when I started getting at the
real estate, I mean all the big buildings. I actually
did it in like four or five years. But I
mean throughout my time, I had like over you know,
(32:36):
forty to fifty homes all over the place. You know,
you know, that's how I made my money.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
That's definitely something that I would love to learn if
you ever got brought back.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well, listen, I'm gonna teach you how to do it regardless,
all right. So it's very simple. It's not a hard
thing to do. I will walk you step by step
through the whole thing. That's easy. So, I mean, whenever
you're ready and you want something, but wait till the
prices go down. I think the prices are going to
go down. Interest rates are going to go down, and
that once that happens, then you know, you go looking
for something and you buy it. You know, you put
(33:08):
very little money down as a first time buyer. You
I'm sure they'll you know, you don't have to put
that much money down and get something, you know, with
a few families, you know, two or three families. Whatever
it is that you can find. You don't mean even
not du plugs, whatever. You know, you have something paying
your mortgage, paying your bills from the one side, you
live on the other side, and then you just keep it,
you know what I mean. You let it build equity,
and then you just when you're ready to buy another home,
(33:30):
you pull some money out of there, a little money
out of your pocket. You're buying a home, you're a
regular home.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Are you dating anyone right now?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
We like her a lot. I know I'm wearing her
the necklace she got me. Actually, what I say, it's pretty.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Look cute.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
She is sweet though, right.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
She's so sweet. Yeah, we love her.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
She's very nice. Yeah, so this is obviously a joke.
Question knock on wood. If mom and Lewis ever broke up,
would you and mom ever consider getting back together?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Alisten, I'll always be your mom's friend no matter what,
you know what I mean, So it doesn't matter. I mean,
I'll always be the same with it no matter what. Well,
I don't know. I mean, listen, you can never say never.
I mean, uh, but maybe when we're if we're still
alive when we're ninety, not honestly.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Oh, guys, make it a ninety Let's hope.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, that's hope. You know what I mean. But listen,
you don't know. I mean, in life, you never know.
But right now I'm happy.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Margie's amazing, and obviously you guys are both happy, and
that's all that matters. That was really you know, what
we could only hope for us your kids is for
you both to just find happiness in all of this,
because there were definitely a lot of dark times and
all we want is for the both of you to
be happy and enjoy your life. And you know that's
(34:56):
what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So yeah, and I agree, And for my kids to
be happy, that's the most important thing.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So and you and Louie get along, which is great,
so you know, you respect him.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
We live in the we live under his roof.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So he's a good guy. I mean, he got he
gets uh. I don't know why they you know whatever,
But I mean, I guess they don't know him like
I know him, you know what I mean. I guess
they just know him from being on TV or whatever.
But I mean I think that if they actually met Louie,
then they'll see you different, you know, Louie, you know
than what they portray him to be on television, you
(35:30):
know what I mean? Or you know, I mean listen,
they could caught an edit and do anything they want
and make it look however the way they want on TV.
So there's a lot of things you could do. Same
thing you could do on your telephone when you do
your tiktoks and all this other stuff you could do
when you you know, when they're editing and doing the film.
So he could change everything. You can put words in
people's mouths. It's gets crazy what they could do. They
(35:50):
could do it even through making shows and doing whatever.
A lot of things I don't believe, even Kate, like
even during that time up there, when you know, I
said that word that I didn't want to say. Now
I might have said it, but I mean there was
other things in there they kind of you know, twisted around.
I mean, it wasn't exactly and I look at the
(36:11):
time we were drinking a lot of wine as well,
But that's no excuse. But I think that they kind
of hit something to make it look like I was
really like, you know, and I was really talking to
my friend Alb. But I mean they made it sound
like I was talking to another girl. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
No, they definitely know how to twist things up. But
he is a great step dad and you guys have
a great relationship in a great respect level for each other,
which is really nice because that's all you want.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Also is as long as he treat you guys right,
you know, treat your mom right, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, because you know, obviously, like from our perspective, we
just want all our families to get along and have
a beautiful, blended family, and I think we do that.
And I mean, how would you describe you and Mom's
relationship after you were deported?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
After I was deported?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It was like kind of like whatever, you know. I mean,
it was you know, draining, you know what I mean,
all those years being a what part and doing this
and doing that? You know. I mean, but look, she
always did the right thing. She can't I can't say
(37:29):
nothing bad about your Mommy. Mom was always good but
I mean it was I guess it was just time
to just move on and just do whatever. I mean,
even if we would have tried, I mean, I don't
know how that would have worked out, you know what
I mean, how would that have worked that? You know
what I mean? If you live in Italy.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I think I think after you got deported, you guys
knew that, like it was, it was time to call
it quit.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
But I think what was you know admiring when you
guys did get.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Divorced, was that you guys always maintained your relationship because
I mean before you guys even had a romantic relationship
or got married, you guys were best friends growing up.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
You were always best friends.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
We'll always remain friends, you know what I mean. It's
just you know, look, we got four beautiful daughters, So
what else do we want in life? Four beautiful daughters,
and you know, thank god, they're all these guys are
all good and healthy and smart, and that's what matters
in life.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
So what else have you been up to in the Bahamas?
Any more fights in the future.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I haven't been really uh yeah, I haven't really been
training for any fight. But I mean, it wasn't easy
yet thought it would be you know, even though I
could fight, But I mean that boxing is like a
whole different level, you know what I mean. Like if
I'm able to use my feet and like takedowns and
stuff like that. I mean, that's what I know how
to do. I know how to take people down, break
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people's legs, you know. I know how to like choke people.
I know how to like grab people and make them submit.
You know what, hand things. I know how to do
all that stuff. You know what I mean. That's what
I trained my whole life. Boxing.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
You would kill it in kickboxing. Boxing is a little different.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Boxing, I like, you know what I mean. It wasn't
like but listen, I think I did pretty good. I
mean the kick with you know, the guy that I
fought was uh, it wasn't you know. I found out
that he's also a black belt as well, you know
what I mean. So he's not a slouch that guy,
you know, No, definitely not. And I mean he was
in good shape, but he was not a He was
definitely not a slouch, you know what I mean. I
(39:28):
took him a little light, you know what I mean.
I mean I did barely Ever, I didn't even trade
that much. To be honest with you, I really didn't
trade that much. I wasn't running, I wasn't doing nothing
like that. I really was. And I took him kind
of light and my goal was really just to go
in and uh. But he you know, he had he
was obviously a trained fighter as well, so I.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Mean he was it was in shape.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, it was a lot harder than I thought, you
know what I mean. And but whatever I did it,
you know what I mean. And I definitely hit him
a lot more times than he hit me.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Well yeah, at least you won. So what else have
you been up to in the Bahamas?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
So what I'm doing now is basically this. I see
every time I go on TikTok, you know what I'm cooking.
I'm doing something, you know what I mean. I do
a TikTok once in a while, you know, and people
always like, oh, we want to come cook, but we
want to come do this, but I want to come
do that way. So I'm like, So, anyway, we came
up with a like an idea. Actually we were just
around all right, and my neighbor actually came up with
(40:31):
the idea and he goes, well, why don't you do
some kind of like raffle thing where you could get
the people, you know what I mean, to just you
know ra you know, raffle, like a weekend with Joe
or something like that. So that's time I came up
with this weekend with Joe thing, right, So I talked
to a few people and they convinced me to do it.
Which now you know, it's going good. I mean, we're
selling a lot of tickets, you know, we're doing whatever.
(40:52):
But you think three thousand is like you sell right away,
But it's really not that easy to sell three thousand tickets.
It's a lot, you know I mean, So, I mean
it's going well, that's selling every day. And basically the
whole plan is, look, not everybody can afford, you know
what I mean, to come to the Bahamas. So with
fifteen dollars, yes, at three thousand, tickets are close to
(41:14):
that as all as it covers over forty something thousand,
because you can easily spend over twenty something thousand dollars
here in a weekend going you know nuts, you know
what I mean. You get lunches here are crazy dinners,
are crazy drinks of thirty dollars each Okay, So you
could definitely go through a lot of money here going
(41:35):
you know, balling out, you know what I mean? You know,
I mean, you've been here plenty of times and it's
very expensive here. It's not cheap by no means. And listen,
if you're going to do it, you're obviously gonna put
the people in a nice, nice place to stay. You're
not going to put them in a you know, a
roach infested place. So I mean, you got to put
them in a nice place, minimal five hundred a night
(41:55):
or better. Otherwise you know, you're not going to find something,
you know in between there, you know, so what a fire,
you know, close to a five star dinners. You gotta
give them breakfast. You gotta give them lunch, all right,
that's easy one every day in food you talk and uh,
you know, a lot of money. Then you gotta bring
them voating. You're gonna bring them on tours, right, those
(42:16):
tour things. You know how everything is here? Everything is
just expensive. Everywhere you go. You're shoveling money out. So
and I got to take three or four days out
of my time, so I gotta make money as well,
you know what I mean, I can't just do it
for nothing, you know what I mean. But the thing is,
you got like, let's just say somebody wins, like I see,
I hear a lot of people. You know, Oh, I
(42:36):
just want I'll come by myself, or I'll bring this
person I'll bring out. Yeah, you're allowed to bring yourself.
You know. Whatever the winner is could bring another person
with them or a little blind or a mother or
whatever they want to do. Three four people, I don't care,
you know what I mean. But if you win, Let's
say one person wins, an he got nobody to bring?
What shout out? If they would have nobody to bring,
(42:58):
I would have another draw and I would pick two people,
you know what I mean, So that two people win.
You can't just have one person win, you know what
I mean. So you have two people win and you
just pick two people out of their draw, you know
what I mean. So I mean, it's actually a pretty
good business thing. And it could go on and you know,
listen for the amount of money that you spend and
it's only fifteen bucks. But I think next time, I
(43:19):
only a brea. Once this is done and it hits
the limit and I pick that winner, I want to
raise it up to twenty five, so you don't have
as many people, you know what I mean. So you
want to bring it down to like less people, which
is actually a pretty good business thing. I mean, I
do have the boats out here, I do have everything
out here, so I mean, you know, and I know
everywhere to go on the island, you know what I mean.
(43:41):
And here you have seven hundred islands. You don't have
just one island, you know what I mean. So in
one day, you know, we could go here. Next day,
if they want to go on a boat again, I'll
take them to go boat to another place. I mean,
whatever they want to do their weekend is what they
want to do.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
So we're doing weekends with Joe. Are you working on
some construction out there?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I am working on construction or I'm getting a lot
of things in the works with construction and just waiting
on a couple of big things to come through, and
hopefully they come through so I can get back into
the I would love to get back into the real
estate game out here because that's what I love doing.
And I mean the real estate out here is very
good and I could definitely see myself getting back into
(44:21):
it out here, for sure. And even if I'm allowed
back over there, I'll definitely be here working with real
estate here, you know what I mean. So that's my thing,
is definitely getting back into the real estate thing. And
it looks it's not easy out here. It's very expensive,
all right, It's not an easy way to live out here.
(44:42):
But once you get into it, you know, it takes
a few years to get everything down and together, you
know what I mean, and stuff like that, Bob, Once
you're in there and you're doing it right, you can
make money.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
So the last thing that I'm going to ask you,
the fans are dying to know if you really sell
sex toys, tell them that this was the past thing.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah, that was actually when I first got out of
prison during COVID. Okay, so I made a deal with
the guy to where he paid me thirty percent of
what he grossed every month, and it was actually very
profitable for me though, you know what I mean. I
gotta say when I got out, I was making five six,
seven thousand dollars a month doing that. It was actually
(45:22):
very good.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
So no more sex toys, No more.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Sex toys, Zam. But it was very profitable during COVID.
I thought it was a great idea, you know.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
I mean yeah, people were bored, I guess.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
So anyway, I'm so happy for you and your new show,
Next Gen n y C. Now, I don't know if
that's true or now, but I heard that it's the
highest rated show in Bravo. Is that true? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:46):
We were the highest rated first, like highest rated premiere
show ever on Bravo. So like our first episode was
the like our premiere for Next Gen. M I see
our first episode that aired the highest rated show on Bravo.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Wow, okay, what about throughout the season? I mean still
I heard that I had the highest rates.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
I mean yeah, yeah, we still did great throughout the season.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I mean I didn't watch every episode, but I did
watch a few, you know what I mean, because I
would sit there and lay in bed and watch it
with because Margie would watch it all the time, and
I would watch and I mean I thought it was
pretty funny. I liked it. I mean it was enjoyable
to watch, you know what I mean. It was definitely
a good show.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Yeah, it wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
So now are showing the older demographic they need to
watch it because I feel like it's definitely a younger
demographic show, but tying in like Mom and other like
housewives and stuff, it makes it a little more intriguing
for everybody, for all you know, all ages to watch it.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah. I thought it was good. I thought it was
very good. And I think that'll do very well with
that show.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
So we're waiting right now to here if we're going
to get a season two.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
I'm sure you're going to get a season two.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
So we did that, and now I'm just working on
you know, Casual Chaos. I just launched another podcast called
Dirty Rush and now we're just working and I'm working.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
What's a Dirty Rush?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
It's a new podcast.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
So I have this podcast, Casual Chaos, and then I
also have another podcast with two other two other women,
Jen Fessler and Daisy Kent. And so it's the three
of us because we all three of us were in
sororities at college.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
So it's basically we're going to have like a hotline where.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
People call in tell their sorority stories. Moms can relate
to Jen Fesler because she's older then like me and Daisy.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Daisy's twenty ses. She was a friend of Jersey on
Jersey Housewives.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
That sounds familiar to they.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yeah, she was on Jersey as a friend, not a housewife,
but like she was on like you know, she was
on the show. Okay, but she works with iHeartRadio. So
it's me, Jen Fessler and Daisy Kent. Daisy got a
lot of recognition from being on the Bachelor. But it's
us three and we're basically going to talk to mom's
(48:16):
girls that are going into college thinking about rushing a sorority,
girls that have Russia sorority, kind of talk about the
experience because it gets pretty crazy, especially down South, rushing
a sorority.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
There's a lot that goes into it and a lot
of things.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
So there's never been a sorority podcast before, so we're
starting that too. So it's been really exciting, a lot
of good things.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, that's good. That's good.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
I'm really happy for you. And you're very good at
doing that as well. Thanks to very good, very good
to you. You learned good. And you know who's the
other housewife?
Speaker 2 (48:51):
I guess Siggy Flicker was on the Housewives when I
was away, right did she come on? How long was
she on the Housewives for?
Speaker 1 (48:59):
I don't I think she was on for like maybe
two years. But yeah, I know you've been in contact
with Seggie Flecker. She's been amazing.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
And she she's such a nice person.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
She really is. And she's had our family and her
prayers for sure.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, she's such a nice person. She's got kids too.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Right, two kids and girls.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
She has a point to go. I think I saw
something that was her daughter getting married or something.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
No, I don't think so maybe her son, maybe her
son got engaged.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Somebody got engaged something like that. Maybe, sure, Yeah, but
I'm glad that she's up there. And you know what.
The other crazy thing is that we were on the Apprentice,
you know, so I was thinking that Trump would have
maybe pardon me when I first got it, you know
what I mean, because I was very friendly with him.
You know, we were friends. I mean, we talked in
his office, We had lunch together a few times, you know,
(49:55):
one time downstairs, you know what I mean. We spoke
in his office for a while. His father owned properties
where I used to have properties in East Orange, and
we spoke for a while, and I knew exact building
that he was talking about because my building was on
Glidwood Avenue right here. And he had one, I believe
one of the office buildings that was, you know, sitting
right across the street his father's stone back in the day.
(50:15):
And you know, so we got along good. I mean
throughout the whole show. I mean, he was actually I
never wanted to bother him too much because he was
always busy, you know what I mean, doing this and
you know, and doing everything. You know, because he's a
busy guy. And he would always go out of his
way come and shake my hand, which I thought was
very nice. So I mean, I was like really open
that he was gonna do something while I was away,
(50:37):
you know what I mean. I was like, you know what,
I hope he gives me a part. But obviously I
wasn't on his mind.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
But yeah, I mean even during that time when you
were away, we were constantly writing letters, character letters, and
I just recently did that again, so you know, and
hopefully hopefully there was awareness and recognition that comes from
all of those.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, let's see what happens. I mean, look, by the way,
dude is just pretty good. And see what happens, you
know what I mean, Uh, hopefully it does. You know.
You gotta just stay positive, always stay positive, good things
will happen.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
Yes, all right dad, Well, I love you so much
and thank you.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
I love you so baby, and thank you for having
me on.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
All right.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
I love you, love this, keep love you. I love
you more. I'll call you and I'm in the car
with Adriana, all right. Bye, bye, Okay, I love you. Bye.
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