October 27, 2025 • 52 mins
Love is in the air… until it’s not. Bev, Mack, and David revisit 7th Heaven S1/E15: “Happy’s Valentine,” where Valentine’s Day chaos takes over the Camden house before things take a heartbreaking turn when Happy gets hit by a car.
From Lucy’s movie date with Jimmy Moon to Mary’s party gone wrong, the crew breaks down all the highs, lows, and classic Camden moments in this emotional rollercoaster of an episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I was gonna let you go first.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh me.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Well, Hi, everybody welcome. This is another rewatch episode of
Catching Up with the Camdens.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
This week we.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Are I'm feeling a little bit of love in the
house because it's Happy's Valentine and I'm McKenzie.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Rusbond, I'm Beverly Mitchell, and I'm David Gallagher. That was awesome, Mac.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Thanks, you did it. You did it, Mac, you did
it was it was all you, baby.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So this is episode fifteen, Happy's Valentine, Season one. Yeah,
this is a big episode.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, it is a big episode. It's one of the
ones that I remember. It's one of the ones that
I remember.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Not because of uh shooting it in particular, but because
of how worried I was before we shot it, like
getting the script, thinking about like how intense like the
scenes that I had to do in this, Like I
just I knew as soon as we got this script
(01:12):
and understood what the hook was that I had my
work cut out for me. So I remember being like
stressed out about it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Really yoh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I ever felt like you were stressed. I always felt
like you were so cool as a cucumber.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
You're like I got this, well, I was really you
were You're you did such a good job hiding it
because that you were just always such a professional, Like
I don't think any of us ever had any.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Question that you could pull off anything that Brenda would
throw at you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Well, my job to question it, and I did.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And the fact that you were you were worried because
you wanted to do your best work. So bravo and
kudos to you at a young age understanding that and bring.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, I know I've I remember feeling the pressure and
the like the self imposed pressure. By the way, I'm
not saying that anyone put pressure on me, because they didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Everyone was always very supportive.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
My family included my dad would always just be like,
what are you worried about?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
You got this, don't worry about it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Like everyone always kind of like knew that I was
capable of doing it and stuff, But but I did
have when I was little, when I had important work
like this to do, especially particularly emotional work, I always
would worry about it and kind of like put put
that kind of do pressure on myself to like to
make sure that I stepped up to it.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You know, well, I mean, you know it was because
you took it seriously and I want to do your best.
And it's whether if it were acting like or if
it were sports like, say it were a big game,
like nobody wants to let their team.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Down, right, Yeah, it's great. It's similar.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I mean, kids have to learn how to crack or
not under pressure.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But so don't whole episode Hatty's Valentine starts out with
Eric and Annie wanting to go camping, which I didn't
remember this part, so this was not at all funny,
and how they wanted to go camping on Valentine's Day.
And of course Annie is like all in, like she's
(03:22):
the one who's got like she's got the gear, she
knows what she's doing, and Eric.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Has well, Annie wants let's be clear, Annie wants to
go camping, Eric, Eric has to go camping.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well, Eric is trying to find every excuse not to
go camping. He's like, well, you know the kids, and
of course.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, I got my sermon to write and and and
so on and so.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
On, I got things. There's people who need to talk
to me. But you know, the kids all have plans
because it's Valentine's Day. And Lucy of course, is expecting
some grand romantic gesture from from Jimmy Moon, because of
course he's capable of that, because she she is just
(04:10):
a helpless romantic. This poor girl has read way too
many romance novels and she just is it's gonna be
a sad, sad, sad day for her.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That's interesting. So what do you think Lucy's favorite books
would have been like as a kid or now, Like,
definitely romance novels, but like like the girl version of that.
We are there are there like kids romance novels. That
seems a bit strange, but I would, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I think I think if Lucy would have like I mean,
what's funny though, is like she also liked romantic things
that she didn't understand, like French fill.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, it's like that, you know, like that, you know,
junior high kids are all reading seventeen magazine, but the
seventeen year olds are actually reading Cosmo.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, back to the episode. Can I have a note, literally,
can we just talk about the high school exterior shots
with all the extras, because there is a sequence of
them trying to understand that we go to school, and
half of the extras I swear were like not even
(05:23):
young adults, but like.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, like full blown like age. Yeah it was.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And I was watching and it was like a long
it was.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I could have been a high school extra right now.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We would be on the young side of the high
school extras. I was watching this whole sequence so weird.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Maybe they shot something else that day that they needed
extras for and they're like, what it'll work.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
I know.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Part of me is like, did they just stoped? I
don't think they shot I'm like, this has to be
like footage, stock footage that they like.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
If you get adults, you can keep them all day.
If you get a bunch of kids, you got to
teach them. You got to they have to be out
at a certain time. Like that's that's all it is.
It's just a practical thing.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Maybe we had a bigger budget second season.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
No, they're like full blown, like twenty thirty year olds.
Yet Barry looks too old to play seventeen, And it
makes me laugh every time he says that he's seventeen.
But Barry looks seventeen when you look at the extras
at the high school.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's so true though, But I think everyone on TV
looks like ten years older than they're supposed to be
pretty much, and then at a certain age, women especially,
they just look a lot younger than they're supposed to
look for.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
But if you notice that that's changed, because I think that's.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Changed a little bit. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
It changed like ten years ago, like I think, but
long after we were done. But in our day on
everyone played, you know, five to ten years younger, and
so people just looked older than they were telling you
they were. Now, I feel like we're in a time
where that doesn't fly anymore, and so now you have
(07:15):
more age appropriate casting. But like it, I don't know
when the switch flipped, probably, but I would say it
was probably a good ten years ago now. But it's
but I don't see that anymore. It's it's it's a
relic of the nineties and before because obviously this was
a trend that came from eighties TV and from before
then as well.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
But I think it definitely created such unrealistic expectations for
actual high school students of what they should look and
dress like. To be honest, like you felt like, oh
my god, why do I look like a kid? When yeah,
who's twenty something.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, yes, and to be honest, those expectations have not adjusted.
Those expectations are still there and very high and.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Unfaired people you know, play high school, well they're actually
like twenty somethings certainly can't help.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, no, it's I think it used to be a
weirder issue because you were literally just looking at people
who were not the age that they were that you
were told they were, and so you're you're going what
they like, they're very mature, and why am I? You know,
how come I don't have a full beard and a
(08:33):
And I also think.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
That there wasn't It wasn't necessarily just their physical appearance.
But obviously, when you have actors who are older than
the characters they're playing, they're playing with the wisdom of
their current age, not of the age in which they're playing,
and you could always tell when they tried to play
it down or play it dumb. Let's dive back, Let's
(08:54):
let's try go back and dive back in. We have
amazing guest stars on this episode as well as usual
as usual, but we have some of our favorites that
are coming back who we've already met in previous episodes,
and that is the Hamilton's, who are played by so
(09:17):
many of our favorites. So we first meet John and
Keisha played by chas Lamar Shepherd and Gabrielle union Wade
now her now yes, and Dorian Harewood and Patricia I
(09:38):
do love that John and Keisha. The scene with John
and Keisha when he's trying to like yell at her
because Matt and John have a plan of how to
get rid of all the kids so that they don't
have to deal with them, and he's like yelling at
Keisha and she just like runs over and she's like,
(09:59):
what do I look like a dog? Do not yell
at me like that in front of my friends? And
I love that she's and he's like, yeah, sorry, sorry.
He's immediately like put back in his place because she's
just this very strong, well spoken and just like don't
you dare Like I love that brother or sister relationship
between the two of them.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, it's very cute.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And everyone's trying to set up their Valentine's weekend like
behind each other's backs, and that's kind of the that's
the big play of the episode is that everyone has
plans for Valentine's Day, but everyone's trying to like sneak
their plans by everyone else.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And it's like the pawn of passing, passing the torch,
so John and passing the children, missing the children they're
supposed to be watching all the younger kids. And then
they try to pass it on to Keisha and Mary,
which Keisha abruptly says, not a chance and says tell
And then John said tells Matt to like try try
(10:57):
Mary and see if you can get any luckily, So.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
What he says to him is you'll figure it out. Yeah,
just just handle it. Don't don't bother me with these
things exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, And we still have the puppies, And I wrote
down I'm like, oh my god, Ruthie and the puppies.
You trying to handle the puppies in that scene with Catherine.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And your like sleeve kept keeps getting caught on the
puppies tooth and you're just like.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, I just like it was so sweet because I
just see you like you're I mean, at that age,
it was already like hard to like be in scene,
but then when you have a live animal that keeps
moving that you're trying to also handle. It was such
a very sweet, sweet scene and you did so great,
just like trying to to not lose a puppy that
(11:51):
was moving around and trying to get away from you
and then biting.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
You always been good with animals, Yes, I that is
that the one of Max's uh secret powers good with animals.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So cute. I love that. That was so fun.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I mean, who wouldn't want to have puppies onset?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I mean true, I mean that that's kind of like
a great day that, like you're like, hey, you have
to work and you get to play with puppies on
that tweet.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So the next thing that happens is, uh, the kid
that the kid torch gets passed to Lucy, who then
turns around and demands payment. And so this was like, uh,
Lucy's going to be going to the movies. Lucy can
take the kids to the movies. That'll get him out
of the house for everybody's plans. And then Lucy's like,
(12:46):
cool ten bucks and uh, you know, adjusted for inflation. Okay,
this is like asking for a million dollars. So everyone
complains she took it from that, it's a whole week's allowance.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, I feel like she's just like she's learned from Simon.
And also like, keep in mind, she already had her
like hissy fit because Jimmy's mad at her because they
can't go to the movies, and then Jimmy, Jimmy had
his own little man fit or boyfit about it. So
when when she negotiates the deal to get the money,
(13:28):
I think she feels like, Okay, not only do I
get to go to the movies and I got money,
like I am a when ning and I do like that.
She also she takes money from Matt and Mary. I
also like this change where now all of a sudden
Simon is like fine with the puppies leaving, because this
is like, you know, the big episode where the puppies
(13:49):
are getting their home and Simon is all of a
sudden fine with it because he describes what it was
like when Ruthie came and how his life changed when
his little sister showed up and took all the attention.
And isn't it nice when you can kind of like
they can go away and you can get that attention back.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, Simon Simon has an interesting way in these early
years of framing everything.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
He definitely has his unique perspective.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You know, in the show, he's a glass half full
guy though you know, so he.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Is a glass half full guy.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
And uh yeah, he's constantly like trying to position himself
for for the situation at hand, Like he's very very
thoughtful with his uh, with his perspective.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
And then we cut back to Annie and Eric. Still
Annie trying to convince Eric that like this camping trip
is like the greatest idea, and Eric is still just
not into it at all, has no desire. He is
just he's like an indoor cat. He does not want
(15:03):
to go be in the wild and outside he is
that is not his thing.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
No, neither of the men are into it in the
in the the setup they are they are just like
going along for the ride to make their wives happy.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, because it's Valentine's Day, Because.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It's Valentine's Day. It's it's that that old classic like
oh I gotta go and do such and such for
the wife kind of kind of stick, yes.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Because they're the women are trying to set up this
like romantic gesture and the guys are like not figuring
it out at all. That's right, but it also makes
a whole lot of sense like the women have a plan,
they have this whole like design of what the night
will look like, and the men are just dragging their
feet being like I don't want to. I don't want
(15:54):
to what are we doing? What is this for? Like
I don't get it, Like I don't know, and like
not they're not with it, they're not on it.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I have here in my notes. Lucy threatens the kids
with movies. You come in and you're like, hey, guys,
you want to go to the movies And we're like no,
You're like.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well you're going, and then you like you stump away
and we're like all right, fine, I guess I know.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
And I and it's what was it? It's an animation retrospect,
is the Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
It's something they made up so that they can play
like things that they didn't have to license in the
show because it was owned by Warner Brothers.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So it's just old Warner Brothers cartoons.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah. And I also like I also have that Lucy's
trying to like get Jimmy to go for the plan
and like trying to get him in on like what
this deal is, Like we're going to take the kids.
It's going to be great. They can watch a movie.
You and I can watch a movie. It'll be a friend.
We can watch the French Actually, I think he didn't
want to watch animation because thinks it's dumb. So we
(17:01):
had to watch the French film because he's very sophisticated. Yes,
and obviously jim and then Jimmy is like afraid of
Reverend Camden and is like, you know, I don't I
don't think the reverend would approve and and then Lucy's like,
well he doesn't really know, so like it won't hurt him.
(17:21):
And I wrote down this line, Jimmy, you are a
risk taker. That's kind of exciting, Like that was his
like line to like Lucy like that, and I just
I had to laugh because I just thought it was
so silly.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
And so you guys, you guys are always trying to
make something sound risky.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Such a desperate it's desperate for something to be risky.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Lucy's writing her own romance novel.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
If we were to talk about the level in which
like Lucy's like breaking the law, like this is it,
We're going to the movies like she's we are you know,
we're this is real big stuff, guys, this is she's
really she's.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
She's just selling.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Like, so we have to watch the kids, but guess what,
We're not gonna watch them.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
It is not hot, Isn't that Like this is like
her version of like breaking the law.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Like any parent ever who puts Blue on, We're not
gonna We're gonna watch them, but we're not.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, I'm supposed to be watching the kids. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Blue is.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Great babysitter by the way, Blue.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Oh my god, who doesn't love blue?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
And then I have Dwight naming the kids, uh, naming
the puppies Simon and Ruthie.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, I know I have that in my notes as well.
Dwight names the puppies Simon and Ruthie. And and of
course Simon takes this as like as a big compliment
and like the weird thing that it is, no.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Because it's like it's like your first son is being
named after you.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, exactly, which is it's like, yeah, he's I say
something like you're a good man, Dwight or something like that.
I like, I'm completely like convinced that this is like
an honorable thing that has happened.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Then we go to the kids being at the movies,
and Lucy's there with the youngers, but so Nigel and
Simon and Ruthie and what was Camille's character's name? But
I forgot. I just know Camille.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I just think of Camille. That's like, I don't think
of her character name.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
This is this is when you you know, this is
when you find out if you're gonna pull a Simon
move and then drag Simon along, you're gonna get Simon.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And it happened Simon.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
So I end up saying, all right, pay up, and
you end up getting your money taken. The money that
you extorted from Mary and Matt gets taken by Simon
and Nigel.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
With like I mean it, the fact that she thought
she was ever going to get to keep the money
was ridiculous because I mean, obviously this was such a move.
Was a Simon move to begin with, I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, exactly, it was not trying to pull a Simon move.
And you Simon did not let you get away with it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, Yeah, because Lucy would never It's like that's just
not her thing.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I was step closer.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I got closer. I mean I tried. I had it
for like ten minutes. Listen. I was rich for ten minutes,
and then of course, then dirt poor right after. And
then Keisha and Mary are throwing a rager at home
while Lucy is at the movies with the kids, and
there is like a full blown party at the Camden house.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
That's right, a full blown party of adults of adults.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yes, yes, But.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
We also go back to the campgrounds.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So this is when we establish like the little camp
site then that presumably the moms have put together, like
Annie has put up the tent, like it done all
the hard work of camping, while the guys kind of like.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
They're literally sitting there commiserating about how much they hate
being cold, they hate they hate bugs, they hate I mean,
it's literally just the back and forth between it's so
funny Reverend Camden and Reverend Hamilton about how they are
not outdoors, these people, they are not loving this, and
(21:46):
they just they're like, we hate everything, but we love
our wives.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Just a couple of sticks in the mud.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It gets extra points for how old the show is.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
But such a great kind of like uh like role reversal,
like reversal of expectations, you know, like the stereotypical thing
would be having the girls sit there going I hate bugs.
I don't want to be cold, get me this, do that.
I don't want to set up the camp. And then
of course this is the other way around. You have
the two the two grown men sitting there not knowing
(22:17):
what to do, being very uncomfortable. Uh and and the
women are taking care of the camp site, setting everything up,
getting everything ready, planning the surprise. They're doing everything, and
the guys are just sitting there complaining about being taken
care of on the camping trip.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And then I love that. Like Eric is talking about
how he doesn't have a sermon and so more, Reverend
Hamilton Morgan says he'll let him like he's basically like.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
They're cheating on their homework.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
They're cheating exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And I thought it was really funny too.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I have a note the beepers mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Our showers is old enough to cross over with the
time of beepers beers.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Isn't that something now?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
To be fair, this was at the very end of
beeper era, the very last few years of beepers existing
on this earth.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
But you heard said when we were starting.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Right, yeah, because it was nineteen ninety six when we started.
But I remember like I remember having, Like.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Did you have a beeper?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Of course I had a beeper.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I believe you probably had the like clear plastic kind
that was like turquoisey or so why don't they definitely
would have had a clear plastic one, and you probably
would have had the horizontal one, right, No, I.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Had like the Yeah, I had the original beeper because
I used to have well, I had it before we
had we were on seventh seven. I had my beeper
at school, so my mom would tech would be not
text me, would beat me when she was going to
pick me up early an audition, so like I would
know that I was but like to be honest, the
(24:06):
front office would call. So I don't really know that
I needed a beeper, but I thought I did. But
I remember I remember beeper too young, That's right, I
wasn't so just.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
A baby too young for beepers, never had one.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Not only did I have a beeper, I also had
a two way pager, the Motorola two way pager. Because
when that thing came, and that was like.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
No, not just a deluxe beeper, no.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Because that one you could actually text meant like you
can actually write messages, so like it was actually like
actual text. It wasn't like beeper codes because remember like
you had like one fourth was like I love do
you remember? Am I like you guys?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
This is.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm having an issue
right now. I am not that much older, but now
you're making me feel decades older, because do you guys know, like.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Just say, I didn't have any of this like ancient technology.
I wasn't around, you know, I was.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
One four three meant one four three.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I don't know the code. This is a foreign language.
Best is just this. This is the language of the
ancient guys.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I might have.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I don't know ancient.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I one four three?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
How did you learn beeper code? Was it carved on
a stone tablet? And then you had to.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Do you know what's happening right now? I am having
daggers to my heart. Right now I will go cry
in the corner. I should move on, but yes, there
I even like my number was seventeen, so like I
would text or beat Oh my god, I keep saying text,
I would beat my friends and at the end it
(25:53):
was seventeen and that's when they knew, like, oh it's BEV.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That was your call sign. Yeah, that's cool, I'm asking.
I don't know, this is.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Just too much. You know what, all of our listeners
will understand. They will understand the love of beepers and
how we used to have to make our numbers be
upside down so we could try to make them words
and send messages to each other because we did not
have text. It was not available.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
It was like the secret language of the day.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
It was.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
But you know what, it was also fun because you
actually had to like think really hard to like send
a message and you have to be really like on
it because you couldn't just like it took time and
it took efforts, and like you had to figure out
like what numbers would what they look like if they
were upside down and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
So not like the messages that I said with a
half a dozen typos and then like a half a
dozen more typos in the correction, and then I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, it's not just never mind, I'll I'll leave that
joke right where it was.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
It's fine, Yeah, okay, okay, I only.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Know one number code that you turn upside down that
turns into words.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
That's what I was thinking, Like.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
You can do it on a calculator.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
We have gotten off topic. Let's go back to the
episode because right now we just can't talk about the
person in part because I'm just it's too much. It's
too much. We have Patricia's ex calls on Valentine's Day,
and this is where we have the introduction of a
very sore subject because Patricia has been married before and
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Morgan gets upset that.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
He calls every Valentine's Day? Can I can I it
controversial that I think Morgan is right about this? Am
I am? I?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Like? Am I the I wouldn't really like my ex
calling my husband or sorry, I wouldn't like but like.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
If your ex called you every Valentine's Day? Would you
be would you pick up that call?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Would you like?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
What?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
You know what I mean, Like it's it's very inconsiderate
to say the least that that's the day that they call.
And like I, I don't think I would like it
if one of my exes did it, or if my
partners ex did it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It seems like rude, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Agreed, Like birthday fine, but like yeah, birthday okay, you know,
like it's you know, it's not like you have to
pretend people don't exist or whatever, or like never speak
to someone anymore because you dated once or something.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
But like.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
This situation in particular felt out rude to me, and
I was like, yeah, I think Morgan's okay with being
upset about this.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It's rude. And I don't know why you'd have to
take that call, you know, true, but I don't know.
I was just like I didn't understand why he was wrong.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I agree, but I wouldn't really like it either, So
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
You know, and not even like from a jealousy perspective.
It's just very inconsiderate, isn't it. Yeah, it's disrespectful, I think.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah. So Also it's because it was like their anniversary.
But also it's like recognizing, like okay, but that's normal.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
But who celebrates their exes anniversary? Like that's not a
thing anyone celebrates.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I have so many anniversaries to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I wouldn't have any because I don't have any exceses
because I only had one boyfriend in I am married.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I can have some of mine.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Then we go to the kids in the theater. I
actually do remember shooting this. I do, and.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And Simon and Nigel are being little jerks throwing popcorn
at people in the theater, and and there there's one
shot while we're sitting there throwing popcorn at that at
that poor guy, the extra who was who they picked,
and I beat him right in the head and I
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went yes, I literally went, oh, I got him.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Like watching episode, that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And we we also go to Lucy and Jimmy exchanging
their Valentine's Day and it's a very I'm sorry Valentine's cards,
and the Valentine's Day card that Jimmy gives Lucy has
a very special special message. It says, if a pretty
girl is a melody, how come you're such a strain. Yeah. Yeah,
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it's not a nice card. And he said, well, because
we were seeing a friend, I thought it was good.
I just want I thought it'd be funny, which also
again he.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Said something like I wanted to keep it light or
something like that, and I just there's no excuse.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I literally was just like, oh, man, Jimmy Moon, it's.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So it's so Jimmy Moon. It is so Jimmy Moon.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, And of.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Course Lucy gets very upset and has to ye French
movie again.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I think Lucy is right on this one.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I think it's perfectly fine to be upset about to
get that for Valentine's Day from your date. Yeah, I
think Lucy is completely justified in looking at Jimmy Moon, like,
what the hell were you thinking?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Agreed?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
And then we go back and we see Matt and
John get back to the house and find a bunch
of people at the rager that Mary and Kisha are throwing,
and there are some guys drinking beers who, when they
get caught, put the beers in the lamp shade.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
In the lamp.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, in the lamp shade.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Excellent, excellent decisions, Yeah, excellent.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yes, no one will ever find.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Them there, No nobody else see, you know, a beer
bottle just like kind of like tipping.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Out the casually sitting on top of the lamp of
lamp shade.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
And then of course we have Morgan and Eric conspiring
to check on the kids and send our dear friend
Sergeant Michael's.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yes, who arrives at the party, Yeah, to find his
own kid there.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, which is also great.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Yeah, so this this was actually and I had forgotten
this detail that that uh, that they had done this,
but but We're already this early in the game. We're
already building out the lore of Sergeant Michael's and and
his his family and personal stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
So he shows up to break up the party, but
instead of uh, you know, coming in, coming in blazon
uh to uh to threaten all the kids and stuff,
he finds his own son hanging out partying at the
party and just tells him to call his mother. You
call your mother, to which his son goes, can't you
(33:45):
just He basically looks at his dad and says, can't
you just arrest me?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Because he'd rather he'd rather be arrested and get yelled
at by his mother.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Which I thought was really funny.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, so seventh Heaven, I love that part.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I love you so Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
That is us. That is that is our show. That
is absolutely We also have the part where after Jimmy
Moon has you know, completely insulted Lucy, he then puts
his arm around her and tries to apologize and is
about to move in for a kiss. And I will
say that part of me was like, oh, what's happening
(34:21):
and Lucky Lucy, Lucy stop, that's awful. Lucy gets saved
by the usher who comes in and tells her that
they've got to come with him because the kiddos have
been getting into trouble and we have.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
That's right, we got kicked out of the Looney Tunes
movie for throwing popcorn at an adult who was in
the Looney Tunes film.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Without kids.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
There was a kid next to him. Yeah, there was
a kid next to him.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
What that?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Otherwise then it gets real creepy. And I also love
that Matt is saying, like, no one is drinking with
Keisha and John. Oh yeah, because Matt, we got we
go back to Sergeant Michaels. Matt's basically saying like, no
one's drinking, no one's getting in trouble, even though not
only did Sergeant Michaels just catch his son, he caught
his son drinking. And so John and Keisha are like
(35:23):
trying like you know that whole stick behind Like when
you're behind someone's back and you're trying to tell them
something and you're so over the top and of course
no one's gonna notice. You know that there's some maniacs
behind you waving up and down. Again, that's another seventh
seventh thing, you know, Like that Sergeant Michaels wouldn't turn
(35:45):
and be like, what are you doing? But that's also
when we find out the very heavy part where this
whole episode takes a turn where it goes kind of
lighthearted and we hit the hard stuff, and that is
Sergeant Michaels breaks the news that Happy has been hit by.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
That's right, Sergeant Michaels brings the news and just kind
of crashes the entire momentum of the episode with a
with a very serious turn of events. So that and
and I think it's kind of well done in the
sense that they set the episode up for all this
(36:28):
other shenanigans, this kind of lighthearted silliness to happen, and
then everything gets kind of knocked back down to reality
and all of a sudden, being mad about the party,
or being mad about the camping trip, or being mad
about the X is it everything becomes trivial, like instantly,
(36:48):
And I think that that is kind of where the
the I think that therein lies the value of the
episode in as far as like it's it's messaging about
what's important, you know, So like all this stuff is
built up this whole time and then suddenly none of
it matters. Because Happy is in the in the hospital
(37:12):
having escaped looking for her puppies, which we've Simon. There's
all this foreshadowing early in the episode where Simon's like,
you know, you can't let her out. You know, she's
going to look for her puppies. She's going to worry
about where her puppies are. You know, we can't let
her Happy out. And so of course that's the thing
that ends up happening when when everyone is busy trying
(37:36):
to you know, execute their their big plans for the evening.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
And then we like that, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, And then we dive into basically kind of like
the aftermath of what happens now that this news has
been broken, and Matt obviously has to go try to
handle and figure out what's going on with Happy, and
Mary and Keisha start to cleaning up. I did make
a note of like their cleanup job was like such
(38:04):
teenager cleanup, which is like seeing a dirty pillow and
instead just turning it around.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, there's a like putting the vase inside a drawer.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Total like total teenage way of like cleaning, which is
like not cleaning at all.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah, And when when my kid tries to clean uh
their room. I always tell them don't hide things. That's
like the first thing I say is like, all right,
go clean your room.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Don't hide things. That's not cleaning.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Well, a maze. The youngest, who's five, has been really
good about cleaning her room lately. But I just went
into her closet and I found pretty much. I'm pretty
sure her laundry basket was shoved into the back corner
and I had been wondering where those clothes had been.
Grant did sheese five? And her room was spotless, so
(38:58):
she did a really good job. And then she just
basically looked at me and she goes Mommy, And I
was like, you know what, You're right, and we might
need to we might we need to do one of
those days. Yep, it's gonna it's happening sometimes. But then
we have a moment with Jimmy and Lucy where he's
(39:19):
he's trying to he's trying to clean this all up,
and he says, someday I will kiss you, but I
don't want it to be because of an artificial holiday,
which again very Jimmy Verry Jimmy Moon. And of course,
of course, now Lucy is now swooning again because how
romantic that he's not romantic on the day that he's
(39:40):
supposed to be romantic.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, so he doesn't, he doesn't play.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
He doesn't. And next up we have the scene.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
That well everyone comes home, and then we have the
scene where which was one of the big scenes for me,
where we all come in and Simon of course immediately
is like, where's Happy, having been worried about Happy this
whole time and having told everyone not to let her out,
and then Matt has to tell me the news that
(40:18):
about Happy, and Simon of course gets upset and yells
at him and tries to run off, and Matt grabs
him and pulls him in for a hug, and uh
and and it was it was okay, it was a
good it was a good a good scene.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
It was a great scene for Simon and Matt for sure.
And I think it it went over very well.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I think it was. It was very sweet, it was touching,
and it definitely like just make makes your heart break,
because it is it's like that when you get news
like that you you want of you, it's a big reaction.
It's not like in Simon's reaction and in his frustration
(41:01):
and his anger and his heartbreak and all of those
emotions like come out in that scene when and Matt
also this like very calm guilt, yeah, and brokenness in
that in the fact that not only was a mistake made,
(41:23):
but a mistake that not only caused harm to Happy
but also caused harm to Simon, and this like responsibility.
You can just see all there's it's it's so much.
There's so much more than you know. It was just
a very weighty, weighty scene. Yeah, yes, there was a
(41:43):
lot of unspoken emotions in it. I thought was just
incredible scene. It was really great.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Sometimes when you got that much, there's really not anything
you can say about it, you know, like, oh, I
threw a party, your dog got out got hit by
a car even though you told me not to. Like
what's Matt other than it's.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
No, I think the hug speaks volumes.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
It's you know, it's all of the regret and the
apology is is in the is in the hug.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
The idea of that, the idea of like being like.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Being so incredibly upset with someone who grabs you for
a for a that for that aggressive apology hug is like.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Is like big family vibes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Like that's something that I can relate to coming from
a big family of like sometimes you can't sometimes sorry
doesn't cut it, you know, and you have to you
have to show someone like that you love them and
that you're sorry.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And I think it's also that like like that hugging
when someone's fighting you so long that like their body
relaxes because they're so upset, and you have to kind
of give that big hut to let them to force
their body to relax. And yeah, and that's when like
the big tears come and the like the body kind
(43:16):
of gives out.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Physical touch breaks barriers sometimes that words can't in.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Certain situations exactly. And right after this very like heavy scene,
we have the interrogation where we have Eric and Morgan
kind of trying to get to the bottom of like
what went on, and you have each between the Camden's
and the Hamilton's of what had happened. And it's this
(43:45):
where like there are nothing's connecting really, like everyone's got
like their little half truths of like how it all
went down. I wrote Lucy's very creative babysitting, which was
like not baby's at all creative and basically and like
all everybody apologizing for their part in what has had
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transpired that day. I also have like a mark. I
was like, oh my gosh, a landline. Guys, like we
have beepers and we have landlines in this episode. Love it.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
What a time to be alive.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
What a time where you don't know who's calling, you
don't know who's who's on the other end, you just
pick up and hope for the best. A wild, wild
west landline. Who has those? Nobody and we all this
is when they all decide, all the Camdens decide that
(44:44):
everyone's tired, but everyone wants to be there for Simon.
And everybody goes down to the vet because we're not
letting Simon either by himself. And we find Simon asleep
with Happy.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Yes uh the operating table that happyes on, you know,
and and the vet asleep at at their desk as well,
and everyone just kind of like crashing at the vet
waiting to see if Happy is okay.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
A very sweet it would never happen, but it was
very sweet.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Yeah, a very sweet idea that would not certainly not today,
I don't think would happen under I mean you'd have
to be at a very small vet practice in a
very small town, I imagine for something like this to
possibly happen. But it but still nevertheless very sweet and
(45:41):
uh and everyone kind of holds out and waits and
uh and and spends the night there and then.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Even in the morning.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Her slippers because I had to write her slippers because
I remember those slippers mac I or the crud out
of those slippers. Those were definitely a favorite wardrobe.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
I hated wearing them too. They were they felt so.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Gross, but they made you wear them all the time.
They were ruthy.
Speaker 6 (46:10):
And you know what's funny.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
So when they when they first unveiled these slippers to me,
they were so cute. They were like these great fluffy
and then they're like, no, but we're gonna make them
look really really dirty, like they're your favorite slippers and
you've worn them a lot. And so when the very
first time I got to wear them, they were already
like filthy. Oh like looked like they'd been taken out
of an alleyway dumpster. And I was I was like,
(46:32):
there was a lot less magic and in TV in
that first moment, So this is movie magic.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
There's a sweet moment where Happy kind of finally wakes
up and gives Diamon a kiss, a little lick, and
Simon started.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
How much but it was on your face for that.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
There was there was a command for kisses. It was
I remember, yeah, and I remember because and I remember
this because, uh, Shauna or Sean or whoever was training
Happy for the episode, will go gus.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Because the fingers like.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Sometimes it would Happy would just be like I have
you know, you like hot dogs or whatever, but everything
would have to stop for a second, so the trainer
could be like to get it, and.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Then we sometimes kiss and then you'd continue. Yeah, we'd
like pause until we can get it. And then so
it's like the whole scene just like takes a pause
until we could get Happy to do what she needed
to do, and then then we would.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
You guys remember that though.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Right, Yeah, actually I do, now that you bring it up. Yeah,
I do.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I remember that. That was always. It happened all the time.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
It was one of the you know that one and
speak Whenever Happy had to bark, they go Happy.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Speak. Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Sometimes Happy was just not in the mood and it
would take a second. Oh yeah, So the whole production
would like pause, while the trainer would like sit there
and spaz out. Trying to get Happy to do the things.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
I mean, getting dogs getting animals to do things on
c is not something that's easy. It definitely is a challenge.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Speak for yourself.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
I'm talking about animals, not you.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
I'm kidding, I am too.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
And then then we have this scene where like, obviously
everyone's super excited because Happy's fine, and Matt Matt asks
for forgiveness, and I love that Simon makes everyone apologize
(49:20):
to Happy for their failure and keeping her safe, Like
everyone needs to tell Happy you're sorry, which also is
just such a simon thing to do because Happy is
not a dog. Happy is like part of the family,
and you would treat her just as you would treat
(49:41):
one of us.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Don't apologize to me, Yes, apologize to Happy.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
And then you don't know if she's gonna take your apology.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
That's right. She might need time to forgive.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
She might, she might. And then that the very sweet
moment at the very very end where it is Simon
has a sweet message for Happy, which is.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Happy Valentine's Day?
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Happy? Oh, Happy Valentine's Day. Happy? That's right? I didn't
write that in my notes.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
He did it? Why not?
Speaker 2 (50:19):
I don't know. I think I was tired. Are you tired?
Speaker 1 (50:23):
You're tired when you were watching the episode? It was
too late.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
I watch it, like, you know, late at night before bed.
I was a last week.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
So there's been some time. But that that is the
end of Happy's Valentine Again. It was like a fun episode.
Then there was like a lot of emotion and like
a very yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Was a fun episode. It like especially I think what
stands out to as far as that goes, because there's
not a lot of times in the show where we
do things.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Where we took creative liberties. With the way that things
are filmed. We were a very kind of by the
numbers kind of formulaic show. But the interrogation sequence of
like kind of face on stuff that would then pan
left and right and kind of wipe cut and things
like that. I was watching that, I was like, oh, man,
that's that's pretty fancy stuff for a show like us,
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you know, to do a sequence like that, that's that's
kind of like. So there was some creativity and it
was very light and then to have all of that
come crashing down for the for the final act with
happy and bring it back to the family and have
something serious to deal with is very seventh Heaven and
I think it's it's that's why it's become one of
those kind of quintessential episodes from the first season.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
So that is that is it. We did it, guys.
That is episode fifteen. That is our rewatch. Hope you
guys and enjoyed the episode. Thank you so much for
joining us, and please catch us next time. I'm for
another new episode of Catching Up with the Camdens.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
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Speaker 4 (52:08):
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I was gonna let you go first.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh me.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Well, Hi, everybody welcome. This is another rewatch episode of
Catching Up with the Camdens.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
This week we.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Are I'm feeling a little bit of love in the
house because it's Happy's Valentine and I'm McKenzie.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Rusbond, I'm Beverly Mitchell, and I'm David Gallagher. That was awesome, Mac.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Thanks, you did it. You did it, Mac, you did
it was it was all you, baby.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So this is episode fifteen, Happy's Valentine, Season one. Yeah,
this is a big episode.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, it is a big episode. It's one of the
ones that I remember. It's one of the ones that
I remember.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Not because of uh shooting it in particular, but because
of how worried I was before we shot it, like
getting the script, thinking about like how intense like the
scenes that I had to do in this, Like I
just I knew as soon as we got this script
(01:12):
and understood what the hook was that I had my
work cut out for me. So I remember being like
stressed out about it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Really yoh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I ever felt like you were stressed. I always felt
like you were so cool as a cucumber.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
You're like I got this, well, I was really you
were You're you did such a good job hiding it
because that you were just always such a professional, Like
I don't think any of us ever had any.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Question that you could pull off anything that Brenda would
throw at you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Well, my job to question it, and I did.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And the fact that you were you were worried because
you wanted to do your best work. So bravo and
kudos to you at a young age understanding that and bring.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, I know I've I remember feeling the pressure and
the like the self imposed pressure. By the way, I'm
not saying that anyone put pressure on me, because they didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Everyone was always very supportive.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
My family included my dad would always just be like,
what are you worried about?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
You got this, don't worry about it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Like everyone always kind of like knew that I was
capable of doing it and stuff, But but I did
have when I was little, when I had important work
like this to do, especially particularly emotional work, I always
would worry about it and kind of like put put
that kind of do pressure on myself to like to
make sure that I stepped up to it.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You know, well, I mean, you know it was because
you took it seriously and I want to do your best.
And it's whether if it were acting like or if
it were sports like, say it were a big game,
like nobody wants to let their team.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Down, right, Yeah, it's great. It's similar.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I mean, kids have to learn how to crack or
not under pressure.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But so don't whole episode Hatty's Valentine starts out with
Eric and Annie wanting to go camping, which I didn't
remember this part, so this was not at all funny,
and how they wanted to go camping on Valentine's Day.
And of course Annie is like all in, like she's
(03:22):
the one who's got like she's got the gear, she
knows what she's doing, and Eric.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Has well, Annie wants let's be clear, Annie wants to
go camping, Eric, Eric has to go camping.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well, Eric is trying to find every excuse not to
go camping. He's like, well, you know the kids, and
of course.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, I got my sermon to write and and and
so on and so.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
On, I got things. There's people who need to talk
to me. But you know, the kids all have plans
because it's Valentine's Day. And Lucy of course, is expecting
some grand romantic gesture from from Jimmy Moon, because of
course he's capable of that, because she she is just
(04:10):
a helpless romantic. This poor girl has read way too
many romance novels and she just is it's gonna be
a sad, sad, sad day for her.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
That's interesting. So what do you think Lucy's favorite books
would have been like as a kid or now, Like,
definitely romance novels, but like like the girl version of that.
We are there are there like kids romance novels. That
seems a bit strange, but I would, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I think I think if Lucy would have like I mean,
what's funny though, is like she also liked romantic things
that she didn't understand, like French fill.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, it's like that, you know, like that, you know,
junior high kids are all reading seventeen magazine, but the
seventeen year olds are actually reading Cosmo.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, back to the episode. Can I have a note, literally,
can we just talk about the high school exterior shots
with all the extras, because there is a sequence of
them trying to understand that we go to school, and
half of the extras I swear were like not even
(05:23):
young adults, but like.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, like full blown like age. Yeah it was.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And I was watching and it was like a long
it was.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I could have been a high school extra right now.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We would be on the young side of the high
school extras. I was watching this whole sequence so weird.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Maybe they shot something else that day that they needed
extras for and they're like, what it'll work.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
I know.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Part of me is like, did they just stoped? I
don't think they shot I'm like, this has to be
like footage, stock footage that they like.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
If you get adults, you can keep them all day.
If you get a bunch of kids, you got to
teach them. You got to they have to be out
at a certain time. Like that's that's all it is.
It's just a practical thing.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Maybe we had a bigger budget second season.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
No, they're like full blown, like twenty thirty year olds.
Yet Barry looks too old to play seventeen, And it
makes me laugh every time he says that he's seventeen.
But Barry looks seventeen when you look at the extras
at the high school.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's so true though, But I think everyone on TV
looks like ten years older than they're supposed to be
pretty much, and then at a certain age, women especially,
they just look a lot younger than they're supposed to
look for.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
But if you notice that that's changed, because I think that's.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Changed a little bit. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
It changed like ten years ago, like I think, but
long after we were done. But in our day on
everyone played, you know, five to ten years younger, and
so people just looked older than they were telling you
they were. Now, I feel like we're in a time
where that doesn't fly anymore, and so now you have
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more age appropriate casting. But like it, I don't know
when the switch flipped, probably, but I would say it
was probably a good ten years ago now. But it's
but I don't see that anymore. It's it's it's a
relic of the nineties and before because obviously this was
a trend that came from eighties TV and from before
then as well.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
But I think it definitely created such unrealistic expectations for
actual high school students of what they should look and
dress like. To be honest, like you felt like, oh
my god, why do I look like a kid? When yeah,
who's twenty something.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, yes, and to be honest, those expectations have not adjusted.
Those expectations are still there and very high and.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Unfaired people you know, play high school, well they're actually
like twenty somethings certainly can't help.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, no, it's I think it used to be a
weirder issue because you were literally just looking at people
who were not the age that they were that you
were told they were, and so you're you're going what
they like, they're very mature, and why am I? You know,
how come I don't have a full beard and a
(08:33):
And I also think.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
That there wasn't It wasn't necessarily just their physical appearance.
But obviously, when you have actors who are older than
the characters they're playing, they're playing with the wisdom of
their current age, not of the age in which they're playing,
and you could always tell when they tried to play
it down or play it dumb. Let's dive back, Let's
(08:54):
let's try go back and dive back in. We have
amazing guest stars on this episode as well as usual
as usual, but we have some of our favorites that
are coming back who we've already met in previous episodes,
and that is the Hamilton's, who are played by so
(09:17):
many of our favorites. So we first meet John and
Keisha played by chas Lamar Shepherd and Gabrielle union Wade
now her now yes, and Dorian Harewood and Patricia I
(09:38):
do love that John and Keisha. The scene with John
and Keisha when he's trying to like yell at her
because Matt and John have a plan of how to
get rid of all the kids so that they don't
have to deal with them, and he's like yelling at
Keisha and she just like runs over and she's like,
(09:59):
what do I look like a dog? Do not yell
at me like that in front of my friends? And
I love that she's and he's like, yeah, sorry, sorry.
He's immediately like put back in his place because she's
just this very strong, well spoken and just like don't
you dare Like I love that brother or sister relationship
between the two of them.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, it's very cute.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And everyone's trying to set up their Valentine's weekend like
behind each other's backs, and that's kind of the that's
the big play of the episode is that everyone has
plans for Valentine's Day, but everyone's trying to like sneak
their plans by everyone else.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And it's like the pawn of passing, passing the torch,
so John and passing the children, missing the children they're
supposed to be watching all the younger kids. And then
they try to pass it on to Keisha and Mary,
which Keisha abruptly says, not a chance and says tell
And then John said tells Matt to like try try
(10:57):
Mary and see if you can get any luckily, So.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
What he says to him is you'll figure it out. Yeah,
just just handle it. Don't don't bother me with these
things exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, And we still have the puppies, And I wrote
down I'm like, oh my god, Ruthie and the puppies.
You trying to handle the puppies in that scene with Catherine.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And your like sleeve kept keeps getting caught on the
puppies tooth and you're just like.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Well, I just like it was so sweet because I
just see you like you're I mean, at that age,
it was already like hard to like be in scene,
but then when you have a live animal that keeps
moving that you're trying to also handle. It was such
a very sweet, sweet scene and you did so great,
just like trying to to not lose a puppy that
(11:51):
was moving around and trying to get away from you
and then biting.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
You always been good with animals, Yes, I that is
that the one of Max's uh secret powers good with animals.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So cute. I love that. That was so fun.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I mean, who wouldn't want to have puppies onset?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I mean true, I mean that that's kind of like
a great day that, like you're like, hey, you have
to work and you get to play with puppies on
that tweet.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So the next thing that happens is, uh, the kid
that the kid torch gets passed to Lucy, who then
turns around and demands payment. And so this was like, uh,
Lucy's going to be going to the movies. Lucy can
take the kids to the movies. That'll get him out
of the house for everybody's plans. And then Lucy's like,
(12:46):
cool ten bucks and uh, you know, adjusted for inflation. Okay,
this is like asking for a million dollars. So everyone
complains she took it from that, it's a whole week's allowance.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, I feel like she's just like she's learned from Simon.
And also like, keep in mind, she already had her
like hissy fit because Jimmy's mad at her because they
can't go to the movies, and then Jimmy, Jimmy had
his own little man fit or boyfit about it. So
when when she negotiates the deal to get the money,
(13:28):
I think she feels like, Okay, not only do I
get to go to the movies and I got money,
like I am a when ning and I do like that.
She also she takes money from Matt and Mary. I
also like this change where now all of a sudden
Simon is like fine with the puppies leaving, because this
is like, you know, the big episode where the puppies
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are getting their home and Simon is all of a
sudden fine with it because he describes what it was
like when Ruthie came and how his life changed when
his little sister showed up and took all the attention.
And isn't it nice when you can kind of like
they can go away and you can get that attention back.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, Simon Simon has an interesting way in these early
years of framing everything.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
He definitely has his unique perspective.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
You know, in the show, he's a glass half full
guy though you know, so he.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Is a glass half full guy.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
And uh yeah, he's constantly like trying to position himself
for for the situation at hand, Like he's very very
thoughtful with his uh, with his perspective.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
And then we cut back to Annie and Eric. Still
Annie trying to convince Eric that like this camping trip
is like the greatest idea, and Eric is still just
not into it at all, has no desire. He is
just he's like an indoor cat. He does not want
(15:03):
to go be in the wild and outside he is
that is not his thing.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
No, neither of the men are into it in the
in the the setup they are they are just like
going along for the ride to make their wives happy.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, because it's Valentine's Day, Because.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
It's Valentine's Day. It's it's that that old classic like
oh I gotta go and do such and such for
the wife kind of kind of stick, yes.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Because they're the women are trying to set up this
like romantic gesture and the guys are like not figuring
it out at all. That's right, but it also makes
a whole lot of sense like the women have a plan,
they have this whole like design of what the night
will look like, and the men are just dragging their
feet being like I don't want to. I don't want
(15:54):
to what are we doing? What is this for? Like
I don't get it, Like I don't know, and like
not they're not with it, they're not on it.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I have here in my notes. Lucy threatens the kids
with movies. You come in and you're like, hey, guys,
you want to go to the movies And we're like no,
You're like.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well you're going, and then you like you stump away
and we're like all right, fine, I guess I know.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
And I and it's what was it? It's an animation retrospect,
is the Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
It's something they made up so that they can play
like things that they didn't have to license in the
show because it was owned by Warner Brothers.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So it's just old Warner Brothers cartoons.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah. And I also like I also have that Lucy's
trying to like get Jimmy to go for the plan
and like trying to get him in on like what
this deal is, Like we're going to take the kids.
It's going to be great. They can watch a movie.
You and I can watch a movie. It'll be a friend.
We can watch the French Actually, I think he didn't
want to watch animation because thinks it's dumb. So we
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had to watch the French film because he's very sophisticated. Yes,
and obviously jim and then Jimmy is like afraid of
Reverend Camden and is like, you know, I don't I
don't think the reverend would approve and and then Lucy's like,
well he doesn't really know, so like it won't hurt him.
(17:21):
And I wrote down this line, Jimmy, you are a
risk taker. That's kind of exciting, Like that was his
like line to like Lucy like that, and I just
I had to laugh because I just thought it was
so silly.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
And so you guys, you guys are always trying to
make something sound risky.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Such a desperate it's desperate for something to be risky.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Lucy's writing her own romance novel.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
If we were to talk about the level in which
like Lucy's like breaking the law, like this is it,
We're going to the movies like she's we are you know,
we're this is real big stuff, guys, this is she's
really she's.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
She's just selling.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Like, so we have to watch the kids, but guess what,
We're not gonna watch them.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
It is not hot, Isn't that Like this is like
her version of like breaking the law.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Like any parent ever who puts Blue on, We're not
gonna We're gonna watch them, but we're not.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, I'm supposed to be watching the kids. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Blue is.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Great babysitter by the way, Blue.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Oh my god, who doesn't love blue?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
And then I have Dwight naming the kids, uh, naming
the puppies Simon and Ruthie.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, I know I have that in my notes as well.
Dwight names the puppies Simon and Ruthie. And and of
course Simon takes this as like as a big compliment
and like the weird thing that it is, no.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Because it's like it's like your first son is being
named after you.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, exactly, which is it's like, yeah, he's I say
something like you're a good man, Dwight or something like that.
I like, I'm completely like convinced that this is like
an honorable thing that has happened.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Then we go to the kids being at the movies,
and Lucy's there with the youngers, but so Nigel and
Simon and Ruthie and what was Camille's character's name? But
I forgot. I just know Camille.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I just think of Camille. That's like, I don't think
of her character name.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
This is this is when you you know, this is
when you find out if you're gonna pull a Simon
move and then drag Simon along, you're gonna get Simon.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
And it happened Simon.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
So I end up saying, all right, pay up, and
you end up getting your money taken. The money that
you extorted from Mary and Matt gets taken by Simon
and Nigel.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
With like I mean it, the fact that she thought
she was ever going to get to keep the money
was ridiculous because I mean, obviously this was such a move.
Was a Simon move to begin with, I mean.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, exactly, it was not trying to pull a Simon move.
And you Simon did not let you get away with it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, Yeah, because Lucy would never It's like that's just
not her thing.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I was step closer.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I got closer. I mean I tried. I had it
for like ten minutes. Listen. I was rich for ten minutes,
and then of course, then dirt poor right after. And
then Keisha and Mary are throwing a rager at home
while Lucy is at the movies with the kids, and
there is like a full blown party at the Camden house.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
That's right, a full blown party of adults of adults.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yes, yes, But.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
We also go back to the campgrounds.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So this is when we establish like the little camp
site then that presumably the moms have put together, like
Annie has put up the tent, like it done all
the hard work of camping, while the guys kind of like.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
They're literally sitting there commiserating about how much they hate
being cold, they hate they hate bugs, they hate I mean,
it's literally just the back and forth between it's so
funny Reverend Camden and Reverend Hamilton about how they are
not outdoors, these people, they are not loving this, and
(21:46):
they just they're like, we hate everything, but we love
our wives.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Just a couple of sticks in the mud.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It gets extra points for how old the show is.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
But such a great kind of like uh like role reversal,
like reversal of expectations, you know, like the stereotypical thing
would be having the girls sit there going I hate bugs.
I don't want to be cold, get me this, do that.
I don't want to set up the camp. And then
of course this is the other way around. You have
the two the two grown men sitting there not knowing
(22:17):
what to do, being very uncomfortable. Uh and and the
women are taking care of the camp site, setting everything up,
getting everything ready, planning the surprise. They're doing everything, and
the guys are just sitting there complaining about being taken
care of on the camping trip.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And then I love that. Like Eric is talking about
how he doesn't have a sermon and so more, Reverend
Hamilton Morgan says he'll let him like he's basically like.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
They're cheating on their homework.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
They're cheating exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
And I thought it was really funny too.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I have a note the beepers mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Our showers is old enough to cross over with the
time of beepers beers.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Isn't that something now?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
To be fair, this was at the very end of
beeper era, the very last few years of beepers existing
on this earth.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
But you heard said when we were starting.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Right, yeah, because it was nineteen ninety six when we started.
But I remember like I remember having, Like.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Did you have a beeper?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Of course I had a beeper.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I believe you probably had the like clear plastic kind
that was like turquoisey or so why don't they definitely
would have had a clear plastic one, and you probably
would have had the horizontal one, right, No, I.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Had like the Yeah, I had the original beeper because
I used to have well, I had it before we
had we were on seventh seven. I had my beeper
at school, so my mom would tech would be not
text me, would beat me when she was going to
pick me up early an audition, so like I would
know that I was but like to be honest, the
(24:06):
front office would call. So I don't really know that
I needed a beeper, but I thought I did. But
I remember I remember beeper too young, That's right, I
wasn't so just.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
A baby too young for beepers, never had one.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Not only did I have a beeper, I also had
a two way pager, the Motorola two way pager. Because
when that thing came, and that was like.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
No, not just a deluxe beeper, no.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Because that one you could actually text meant like you
can actually write messages, so like it was actually like
actual text. It wasn't like beeper codes because remember like
you had like one fourth was like I love do
you remember? Am I like you guys?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
This is.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm having an issue
right now. I am not that much older, but now
you're making me feel decades older, because do you guys know, like.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Just say, I didn't have any of this like ancient technology.
I wasn't around, you know, I was.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
One four three meant one four three.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I don't know the code. This is a foreign language.
Best is just this. This is the language of the
ancient guys.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I might have.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I don't know ancient.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I one four three?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
How did you learn beeper code? Was it carved on
a stone tablet? And then you had to.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Do you know what's happening right now? I am having
daggers to my heart. Right now I will go cry
in the corner. I should move on, but yes, there
I even like my number was seventeen, so like I
would text or beat Oh my god, I keep saying text,
I would beat my friends and at the end it
(25:53):
was seventeen and that's when they knew, like, oh it's BEV.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That was your call sign. Yeah, that's cool, I'm asking.
I don't know, this is.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Just too much. You know what, all of our listeners
will understand. They will understand the love of beepers and
how we used to have to make our numbers be
upside down so we could try to make them words
and send messages to each other because we did not
have text. It was not available.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
It was like the secret language of the day.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
It was.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
But you know what, it was also fun because you
actually had to like think really hard to like send
a message and you have to be really like on
it because you couldn't just like it took time and
it took efforts, and like you had to figure out
like what numbers would what they look like if they
were upside down and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
So not like the messages that I said with a
half a dozen typos and then like a half a
dozen more typos in the correction, and then I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, it's not just never mind, I'll I'll leave that
joke right where it was.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
It's fine, Yeah, okay, okay, I only.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Know one number code that you turn upside down that
turns into words.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
That's what I was thinking, Like.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
You can do it on a calculator.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
We have gotten off topic. Let's go back to the
episode because right now we just can't talk about the
person in part because I'm just it's too much. It's
too much. We have Patricia's ex calls on Valentine's Day,
and this is where we have the introduction of a
very sore subject because Patricia has been married before and
(27:52):
Morgan gets upset that.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
He calls every Valentine's Day? Can I can I it
controversial that I think Morgan is right about this? Am
I am? I?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Like? Am I the I wouldn't really like my ex
calling my husband or sorry, I wouldn't like but like.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
If your ex called you every Valentine's Day? Would you
be would you pick up that call?
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Would you like?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
What?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
You know what I mean, Like it's it's very inconsiderate
to say the least that that's the day that they call.
And like I, I don't think I would like it
if one of my exes did it, or if my
partners ex did it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
It seems like rude, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Agreed, Like birthday fine, but like yeah, birthday okay, you know,
like it's you know, it's not like you have to
pretend people don't exist or whatever, or like never speak
to someone anymore because you dated once or something.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
But like.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
This situation in particular felt out rude to me, and
I was like, yeah, I think Morgan's okay with being
upset about this.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It's rude. And I don't know why you'd have to
take that call, you know, true, but I don't know.
I was just like I didn't understand why he was wrong.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I agree, but I wouldn't really like it either, So
I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
You know, and not even like from a jealousy perspective.
It's just very inconsiderate, isn't it. Yeah, it's disrespectful, I think.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah. So Also it's because it was like their anniversary.
But also it's like recognizing, like okay, but that's normal.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
But who celebrates their exes anniversary? Like that's not a
thing anyone celebrates.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I have so many anniversaries to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I wouldn't have any because I don't have any exceses
because I only had one boyfriend in I am married.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I can have some of mine.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Then we go to the kids in the theater. I
actually do remember shooting this. I do, and.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And Simon and Nigel are being little jerks throwing popcorn
at people in the theater, and and there there's one
shot while we're sitting there throwing popcorn at that at
that poor guy, the extra who was who they picked,
and I beat him right in the head and I
(30:32):
went yes, I literally went, oh, I got him.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Like watching episode, that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And we we also go to Lucy and Jimmy exchanging
their Valentine's Day and it's a very I'm sorry Valentine's cards,
and the Valentine's Day card that Jimmy gives Lucy has
a very special special message. It says, if a pretty
girl is a melody, how come you're such a strain. Yeah. Yeah,
(31:08):
it's not a nice card. And he said, well, because
we were seeing a friend, I thought it was good.
I just want I thought it'd be funny, which also
again he.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Said something like I wanted to keep it light or
something like that, and I just there's no excuse.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I literally was just like, oh, man, Jimmy Moon, it's.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So it's so Jimmy Moon. It is so Jimmy Moon.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, And of.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Course Lucy gets very upset and has to ye French
movie again.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I think Lucy is right on this one.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I think it's perfectly fine to be upset about to
get that for Valentine's Day from your date. Yeah, I
think Lucy is completely justified in looking at Jimmy Moon, like,
what the hell were you thinking?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Agreed?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
And then we go back and we see Matt and
John get back to the house and find a bunch
of people at the rager that Mary and Kisha are throwing,
and there are some guys drinking beers who, when they
get caught, put the beers in the lamp shade.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
In the lamp.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, in the lamp shade.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Excellent, excellent decisions, Yeah, excellent.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yes, no one will ever find.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Them there, No nobody else see, you know, a beer
bottle just like kind of like tipping.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Out the casually sitting on top of the lamp of
lamp shade.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
And then of course we have Morgan and Eric conspiring
to check on the kids and send our dear friend
Sergeant Michael's.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yes, who arrives at the party, Yeah, to find his
own kid there.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, which is also great.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Yeah, so this this was actually and I had forgotten
this detail that that uh, that they had done this,
but but We're already this early in the game. We're
already building out the lore of Sergeant Michael's and and
his his family and personal stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
You know.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
So he shows up to break up the party, but
instead of uh, you know, coming in, coming in blazon
uh to uh to threaten all the kids and stuff,
he finds his own son hanging out partying at the
party and just tells him to call his mother. You
call your mother, to which his son goes, can't you
(33:45):
just He basically looks at his dad and says, can't
you just arrest me?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Because he'd rather he'd rather be arrested and get yelled
at by his mother.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Which I thought was really funny.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, so seventh Heaven, I love that part.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I love you so Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
That is us. That is that is our show. That
is absolutely We also have the part where after Jimmy
Moon has you know, completely insulted Lucy, he then puts
his arm around her and tries to apologize and is
about to move in for a kiss. And I will
say that part of me was like, oh, what's happening
(34:21):
and Lucky Lucy, Lucy stop, that's awful. Lucy gets saved
by the usher who comes in and tells her that
they've got to come with him because the kiddos have
been getting into trouble and we have.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
That's right, we got kicked out of the Looney Tunes
movie for throwing popcorn at an adult who was in
the Looney Tunes film.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Without kids.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
There was a kid next to him. Yeah, there was
a kid next to him.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
What that?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Otherwise then it gets real creepy. And I also love
that Matt is saying, like, no one is drinking with
Keisha and John. Oh yeah, because Matt, we got we
go back to Sergeant Michaels. Matt's basically saying like, no
one's drinking, no one's getting in trouble, even though not
only did Sergeant Michaels just catch his son, he caught
his son drinking. And so John and Keisha are like
(35:23):
trying like you know that whole stick behind Like when
you're behind someone's back and you're trying to tell them
something and you're so over the top and of course
no one's gonna notice. You know that there's some maniacs
behind you waving up and down. Again, that's another seventh
seventh thing, you know, Like that Sergeant Michaels wouldn't turn
(35:45):
and be like, what are you doing? But that's also
when we find out the very heavy part where this
whole episode takes a turn where it goes kind of
lighthearted and we hit the hard stuff, and that is
Sergeant Michaels breaks the news that Happy has been hit by.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
That's right, Sergeant Michaels brings the news and just kind
of crashes the entire momentum of the episode with a
with a very serious turn of events. So that and
and I think it's kind of well done in the
sense that they set the episode up for all this
(36:28):
other shenanigans, this kind of lighthearted silliness to happen, and
then everything gets kind of knocked back down to reality
and all of a sudden, being mad about the party,
or being mad about the camping trip, or being mad
about the X is it everything becomes trivial, like instantly,
(36:48):
And I think that that is kind of where the
the I think that therein lies the value of the
episode in as far as like it's it's messaging about
what's important, you know, So like all this stuff is
built up this whole time and then suddenly none of
it matters. Because Happy is in the in the hospital
(37:12):
having escaped looking for her puppies, which we've Simon. There's
all this foreshadowing early in the episode where Simon's like,
you know, you can't let her out. You know, she's
going to look for her puppies. She's going to worry
about where her puppies are. You know, we can't let
her Happy out. And so of course that's the thing
that ends up happening when when everyone is busy trying
(37:36):
to you know, execute their their big plans for the evening.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
And then we like that, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, And then we dive into basically kind of like
the aftermath of what happens now that this news has
been broken, and Matt obviously has to go try to
handle and figure out what's going on with Happy, and
Mary and Keisha start to cleaning up. I did make
a note of like their cleanup job was like such
(38:04):
teenager cleanup, which is like seeing a dirty pillow and
instead just turning it around.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, there's a like putting the vase inside a drawer.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Total like total teenage way of like cleaning, which is
like not cleaning at all.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah, And when when my kid tries to clean uh
their room. I always tell them don't hide things. That's
like the first thing I say is like, all right,
go clean your room.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Don't hide things. That's not cleaning.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Well, a maze. The youngest, who's five, has been really
good about cleaning her room lately. But I just went
into her closet and I found pretty much. I'm pretty
sure her laundry basket was shoved into the back corner
and I had been wondering where those clothes had been.
Grant did sheese five? And her room was spotless, so
(38:58):
she did a really good job. And then she just
basically looked at me and she goes Mommy, And I
was like, you know what, You're right, and we might
need to we might we need to do one of
those days. Yep, it's gonna it's happening sometimes. But then
we have a moment with Jimmy and Lucy where he's
(39:19):
he's trying to he's trying to clean this all up,
and he says, someday I will kiss you, but I
don't want it to be because of an artificial holiday,
which again very Jimmy Verry Jimmy Moon. And of course,
of course, now Lucy is now swooning again because how
romantic that he's not romantic on the day that he's
(39:40):
supposed to be romantic.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah, so he doesn't, he doesn't play.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
He doesn't. And next up we have the scene.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
That well everyone comes home, and then we have the
scene where which was one of the big scenes for me,
where we all come in and Simon of course immediately
is like, where's Happy, having been worried about Happy this
whole time and having told everyone not to let her out,
and then Matt has to tell me the news that
(40:18):
about Happy, and Simon of course gets upset and yells
at him and tries to run off, and Matt grabs
him and pulls him in for a hug, and uh
and and it was it was okay, it was a
good it was a good a good scene.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
It was a great scene for Simon and Matt for sure.
And I think it it went over very well.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I think it was. It was very sweet, it was touching,
and it definitely like just make makes your heart break,
because it is it's like that when you get news
like that you you want of you, it's a big reaction.
It's not like in Simon's reaction and in his frustration
(41:01):
and his anger and his heartbreak and all of those
emotions like come out in that scene when and Matt
also this like very calm guilt, yeah, and brokenness in
that in the fact that not only was a mistake made,
(41:23):
but a mistake that not only caused harm to Happy
but also caused harm to Simon, and this like responsibility.
You can just see all there's it's it's so much.
There's so much more than you know. It was just
a very weighty, weighty scene. Yeah, yes, there was a
(41:43):
lot of unspoken emotions in it. I thought was just
incredible scene. It was really great.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Sometimes when you got that much, there's really not anything
you can say about it, you know, like, oh, I
threw a party, your dog got out got hit by
a car even though you told me not to. Like
what's Matt other than it's.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
No, I think the hug speaks volumes.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
It's you know, it's all of the regret and the
apology is is in the is in the hug.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
The idea of that, the idea of like being like.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Being so incredibly upset with someone who grabs you for
a for a that for that aggressive apology hug is like.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Is like big family vibes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Like that's something that I can relate to coming from
a big family of like sometimes you can't sometimes sorry
doesn't cut it, you know, and you have to you
have to show someone like that you love them and
that you're sorry.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
And I think it's also that like like that hugging
when someone's fighting you so long that like their body
relaxes because they're so upset, and you have to kind
of give that big hut to let them to force
their body to relax. And yeah, and that's when like
the big tears come and the like the body kind
(43:16):
of gives out.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Physical touch breaks barriers sometimes that words can't in.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Certain situations exactly. And right after this very like heavy scene,
we have the interrogation where we have Eric and Morgan
kind of trying to get to the bottom of like
what went on, and you have each between the Camden's
and the Hamilton's of what had happened. And it's this
(43:45):
where like there are nothing's connecting really, like everyone's got
like their little half truths of like how it all
went down. I wrote Lucy's very creative babysitting, which was
like not baby's at all creative and basically and like
all everybody apologizing for their part in what has had
(44:10):
transpired that day. I also have like a mark. I
was like, oh my gosh, a landline. Guys, like we
have beepers and we have landlines in this episode. Love it.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
What a time to be alive.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
What a time where you don't know who's calling, you
don't know who's who's on the other end, you just
pick up and hope for the best. A wild, wild
west landline. Who has those? Nobody and we all this
is when they all decide, all the Camdens decide that
(44:44):
everyone's tired, but everyone wants to be there for Simon.
And everybody goes down to the vet because we're not
letting Simon either by himself. And we find Simon asleep
with Happy.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
Yes uh the operating table that happyes on, you know,
and and the vet asleep at at their desk as well,
and everyone just kind of like crashing at the vet
waiting to see if Happy is okay.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
A very sweet it would never happen, but it was
very sweet.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Yeah, a very sweet idea that would not certainly not today,
I don't think would happen under I mean you'd have
to be at a very small vet practice in a
very small town, I imagine for something like this to
possibly happen. But it but still nevertheless very sweet and
(45:41):
uh and everyone kind of holds out and waits and
uh and and spends the night there and then.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Even in the morning.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Her slippers because I had to write her slippers because
I remember those slippers mac I or the crud out
of those slippers. Those were definitely a favorite wardrobe.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
I hated wearing them too. They were they felt so.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Gross, but they made you wear them all the time.
They were ruthy.
Speaker 6 (46:10):
And you know what's funny.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
So when they when they first unveiled these slippers to me,
they were so cute. They were like these great fluffy
and then they're like, no, but we're gonna make them
look really really dirty, like they're your favorite slippers and
you've worn them a lot. And so when the very
first time I got to wear them, they were already
like filthy. Oh like looked like they'd been taken out
of an alleyway dumpster. And I was I was like,
(46:32):
there was a lot less magic and in TV in
that first moment, So this is movie magic.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
There's a sweet moment where Happy kind of finally wakes
up and gives Diamon a kiss, a little lick, and
Simon started.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
How much but it was on your face for that.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
There was there was a command for kisses. It was
I remember, yeah, and I remember because and I remember
this because, uh, Shauna or Sean or whoever was training
Happy for the episode, will go gus.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Because the fingers like.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Sometimes it would Happy would just be like I have
you know, you like hot dogs or whatever, but everything
would have to stop for a second, so the trainer
could be like to get it, and.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Then we sometimes kiss and then you'd continue. Yeah, we'd
like pause until we can get it. And then so
it's like the whole scene just like takes a pause
until we could get Happy to do what she needed
to do, and then then we would.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
You guys remember that though.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Right, Yeah, actually I do, now that you bring it up. Yeah,
I do.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I remember that. That was always. It happened all the time.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
It was one of the you know that one and
speak Whenever Happy had to bark, they go Happy.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Speak. Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Sometimes Happy was just not in the mood and it
would take a second. Oh yeah, So the whole production
would like pause, while the trainer would like sit there
and spaz out. Trying to get Happy to do the things.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
I mean, getting dogs getting animals to do things on
c is not something that's easy. It definitely is a challenge.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Speak for yourself.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
I'm talking about animals, not you.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
I'm kidding, I am too.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
And then then we have this scene where like, obviously
everyone's super excited because Happy's fine, and Matt Matt asks
for forgiveness, and I love that Simon makes everyone apologize
(49:20):
to Happy for their failure and keeping her safe, Like
everyone needs to tell Happy you're sorry, which also is
just such a simon thing to do because Happy is
not a dog. Happy is like part of the family,
and you would treat her just as you would treat
(49:41):
one of us.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Don't apologize to me, Yes, apologize to Happy.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
And then you don't know if she's gonna take your apology.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
That's right. She might need time to forgive.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
She might, she might. And then that the very sweet
moment at the very very end where it is Simon
has a sweet message for Happy, which is.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
What was it?
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Happy Valentine's Day?
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Happy? Oh, Happy Valentine's Day. Happy? That's right? I didn't
write that in my notes.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
He did it? Why not?
Speaker 2 (50:19):
I don't know. I think I was tired. Are you tired?
Speaker 1 (50:23):
You're tired when you were watching the episode? It was
too late.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
I watch it, like, you know, late at night before bed.
I was a last week.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
So there's been some time. But that that is the
end of Happy's Valentine Again. It was like a fun episode.
Then there was like a lot of emotion and like
a very yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Was a fun episode. It like especially I think what
stands out to as far as that goes, because there's
not a lot of times in the show where we
do things.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Where we took creative liberties. With the way that things
are filmed. We were a very kind of by the
numbers kind of formulaic show. But the interrogation sequence of
like kind of face on stuff that would then pan
left and right and kind of wipe cut and things
like that. I was watching that, I was like, oh, man,
that's that's pretty fancy stuff for a show like us,
(51:19):
you know, to do a sequence like that, that's that's
kind of like. So there was some creativity and it
was very light and then to have all of that
come crashing down for the for the final act with
happy and bring it back to the family and have
something serious to deal with is very seventh Heaven and
I think it's it's that's why it's become one of
those kind of quintessential episodes from the first season.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
So that is that is it. We did it, guys.
That is episode fifteen. That is our rewatch. Hope you
guys and enjoyed the episode. Thank you so much for
joining us, and please catch us next time. I'm for
another new episode of Catching Up with the Camdens.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Hey guys.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
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