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The Colonel and Grandma Ruth are in town! Bev, Mack, and David break down all the family tension in 7th Heaven S1/E14: "Seven is Enough" — from Eric and the Colonel’s showdown to the debate over George’s adoption, Lucy’s attempts to bond with her grandparents, and Simon’s surprising sweepstakes win.

 

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey everybody, welcome back to another rewatch episode of Catching
Up with the Canidens.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
My name is David Gallagher.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Hi'm Beverly Mitchell. Now we go at the same time,
I was giving you space to go back.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Sorry I wasn't used to that.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
We are back with another episode and this one is
seven is enough. This is the proper title.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Yes, this is the one.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yes, seven is enough. I really love episodes fourteen.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
How just the complete dichotomy between like what the Colonel
and Ruth their idea of the Camden family, like how
they're they're both parties are so completely unaware of how
the other actually feels.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yes, it's a great little setup gag for the grandparents
all lying.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
To each other to be polite, and it's just like
it goes so far.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
And this is the first time we meet the Colonel
and Ruth, Grandma Ruth.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Yes, and it's no mystery after meeting the Colonel and
Ruth why Eric ended up being you know, such a
you know, softyby my baby.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
That he is exactly like that.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
He gets still absolutely opposite because the Colonel is exactly
what you would say, the colonel and right and grand
Grandma Ruth, who is also very polished and perfectly put
together and very strong.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
It's a perfect example of growing up with parents that
teach you everything you don't want to do with your children.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Actually kind of yeah, And we also just have to
mention who plays the Colonel, which is the incomparable Peter
Graves and Grandma Ruth played by Barbara Rush who. I mean,
the legends, the legends absolute, there's no other word for it, legends.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
What a tag team. But they come out to the
ring and the other tag team is sweating. Yeah, I mean,
it's just like their presence is immediately felt the second
they hit the screen and they look off to see
us and they're like, oh, there.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
They are, all of them. They're like smile. I was like,
oh man, here we go. Like they're they're there.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
They are funny and intimidating, like from from from the
second they walk on to uh like but still there.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I was on their team too, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Which is hard to do. So oftentimes when you have
those parts and you're playing like these kind of harsher characters,
it's often times that you come off as being unlikable. However,
because they are so brilliant.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
At what they do.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
They are absolutely lovely at still being very tough and
very scary for these kids, but like you absolutely love them,
Like yeah, they're They're just incredible. I also love that,
like we're at the Burbank Airport, which is also another
time that we like love that rare we were.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
At well in the beginning, we would go on location
occasionally because we didn't have every single thing built at
our studio yet.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
But I get excited when I see that we were
on occasional Yeah, we.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Were in a real place yet we had.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
A field trip. Guys, Like we got to go on
a field trip. Like that was our version of field trips.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Which eventually everyone's clear over the years, every location that
we used regularly at all, we would just build it
on our stage at some point and then just not
go anywhere and shoot it at our stage. So like
in the in the early seasons when we have location shoots,
were like, wow, we were outside, it was exciting, It

(04:03):
was exciting.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I also love that, like Eric's parents take the bedroom
and like immediately, like you know, Eric and Annie are
in like Matt's bed trying to like squeeze in and
they also this is like a sad moment for me
is like when they're just like talking about how much
Lucy talks and like how basically miserable, and I.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
Was like, they just don't understand her.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Okay, So how many times in this episode is the
Colonel smoking a cigar a lot in the church in
the adoption office, like and his.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Line about like I think God would approve of a
good cigar.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's excellent. The Colonel's got a couple of bangers.
I wrote one down as well in my notes that
that we'll get to in a sect. But but what
happens At first we jumped a couple of things. But
first we established that a gag in this episode is well,
I mean, Simon has a gag too, but but I
would say the real running gag in this episode is Annie's,

(05:11):
which is not common.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
And Annie has set up the house on a clapper system.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh yes, you.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Guys remember the love it is It is one.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It is the most nineties thing I think we've done
so far. And so as we come in from the
airport with our grandparents, any loud noise like sets off
the lights and the music and like all this stuff
happens and everyone goes ah, and then we have to
like clap it off, which is which is completely watching

(05:44):
it from our perspective now is completely odd and and
looks like and and has this strange time capsule kind
of feel to it.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
But it's still really funny.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, because now our kids are like, we just tell
Alexa to do it. I'm like, we habiles that we had.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
The nineties equivalent, yes, and having a conversation with someone
and then Siri.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Starts talking out of nowhere and you're like, ah, you.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Know exactly, and that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
I also sorry, by the way, for setting off everyone's
phone just now.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I know, right. I love that we find all the
Camdens and we find Matt being the big brother that
he is with all the Camden kids talking about the
rundown of like you know, I've been through this before
with the Colonel and Grandma Ruth, like you just don't
show fear because he smells it, he feeds off of it.

(06:38):
And they're all hiding in the garage.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So yes, the garage set.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
This is the first time we see the garage set, right, yeah,
I think and uh, and we're all hiding out in
the garage just to kind of get away from from
the grandparents' stare and uh, and who sneaks into the
garage but dad, Dad's also trying to hide the garage
and he comes and sits down with us like one
of the kids, like, which is very cute.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
And then we also find that the colonel and Ruth
are trying to avoid Lucy because of all the kids
that annoy them the most, it.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Is because Lucy won't shut.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Up, because Lucy talks a lot. And I mean, I
get it there grandparents and they're like, you know, they
come from the world of like less is more, and
with Lucy, more is more.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
That's right, more is most, more is indeed more. Yeah, Yeah,
why have less when you can have more?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Have more? And Lucy is just a whole lot of
all the things.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, it's and and and again it's it's that Lucy's
enthusiasm for for what's going on in her life.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
There's no one seems to share.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Yeah, And then is cute store, Yes, doesn't really like Lucy,
is That's right?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Lucy's yapping at the grandparents about all sorts of things.
They're just trying to get out of the hardware store.
And Annie realizes that the lady at checkout is wearing
her wedding rings around her neck and she says, my
son gave these.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
To me, which we have established a few episodes back
got were stolen when they were like in the car
with Matt, Matt and Annie, and that they were pretty
shook up about it. Again in season one is the
very few times where we have this kind of overlapping storylines.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, where there's a continuity across the episodes to the
to what's happening, which is.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
That didn't happen very often.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
Though no, well, season one it did obviously, so for context, right,
like in this was the era of like of syndicated television,
and so like when often people in the audience would
catch you know, the episode would air in.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Its normal time in order, one episode at a time,
but then after that the episode would air in the afternoons,
the episode would air on the weekends. They would continue
to shuffle these episodes around, and so the strategy always
back then was to make sure each episode was like
its own little story, its own vignette, so that if
you catch them out of order, you you're still going
to sit and watch it, you know, and you're not

(09:27):
missing a lot of context, but we had usually at
least one or two threads that would kind of go
across the season and link up all the episodes together.
And given that this was a nineties show, that was
not super rare or unique, but it certainly wasn't like
the most common practice.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, because I think in this episode we have the
callback to the robbery, and we also have the callback
to Aunt Julie being an alcoholic. Yeah, but we're missing
a key point aside storyline, which is Simon is lucky.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
That's right, you gotta missed when when he's the line
with like, at least George does tell it like it is.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Man that name, get it.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
George, George being the orphan that just like pops up
in Eric's office.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
I remember really when we did this, but I really
wanted the Cannons to adopt George.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
I do remember feeling that.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Samn, Sam Sletta, he was awesome, and.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
That's probably why I wanted him to be part of the.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
We had a sister on the show too, But Sam, Yeah,
we find George the orphan in Eric's office, and the
colonel is the one who calls it out because you know,
he's he.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Knows he's there, knows everything.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, who comes in, talks to Eric, sits down, never
never gives it away, and then says how many people
are breathing in this room or something like that, like,
oh you notice everything?

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
It's such a great like like Colonel set up and
all dunk to give the episode that kind of like direction,
right to spin the episode off into what's really happening here,
which is the story of George's adoption.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, because he is now he's been returned from his
twelfth hump.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yes, he not only is an orphan, he's an older orphan.
He's one of those kids who runs away a lot.
But the Colonel sees like resilience and strengthen him, and
everyone else sees like a troubled kid who like who
might be beyond help, Like there's all this kind of
like I don't know, he's he's gonna have problems, like
emotional issues, and the Colonel and Ruth always speak about

(11:55):
him in positive terms of strength and resilience, which I
thought was very sweet first of all, but also like
a great example of you know, two sides of a coin,
you know, like you can look at things through a
good lens or a bad lens, and it's and it's
a choice.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
You know, broken or experienced basically.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah, And I love also the kind of this relationship
between George and Simon and Ruthy. There's obviously a maturity
that George has, being that he has been an orphan
and been on his own and kind of lived a
little bit of a harder life. But there's the relationship

(12:38):
with Simon even though there is animosity and there is
kind of this push pull kind of thing happening, but
it was still well done in the fact that it
wasn't based on anger or resentment. It was kind of
more there was just something else there that.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I saw with George and Simon. Yes, it was.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
It was a Simon is not used to anyone, uh like.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Calling him out for for his sass.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Someone someone sasses Simon in the way that Simon sasses
everyone else, and Simon's almost like, who are you get
out here?

Speaker 4 (13:19):
This is this is my my world.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
There's no room for this because I do that. Yeah,
so you need to just chill out, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
And and he tells Simon that his his Lucky Man
superhero name is lame, but yeah, he's and then also
like Simon and Ruthie are sitting in a cardboard viper
that they presumably built, which is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Which is very well done, Simon, very well.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Then and George is like, yeah, says the kid sitting
in a cardboard box. I was just like, oh, burn Simon,
just burn him right now. Oh it's so funny.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
I also like how I wrote like the Camden's collect kids.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yes, it's so true. It doesn't take long for any night,
but we can make room for one more. Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
And then I also thought that it was a really
sweet moment with the Colonel and Ruth and the five card.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Draw, my favorite scene in the episode.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, it's so simple but so powerful and so strong.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, what it does for me is that it tells you,
as the audience member, immediately and before before any of
the characters make their intentions known, that George actually belongs
with the Colonel and Ruth, that he is one of them,
not one of us totally, which is and so you
know that it starts with the Colonel and Ruth having

(14:44):
this kind of flirtatious moment in the bedroom when you're like, oh,
that's kind of all right. The grandparents are like, are
like flirting with it? You Oh, they're gonna play cards,
and then they sit down and they have a card game.
Because then and then someone comes in and they're like, oh,
we're caught. Yeah, you know, we're caught having fun, you know.
And then it's George who comes in, who you know,

(15:06):
who knows that they're playing cards and wants to be
dealt in. And I was like, ah, it's it instantly
put a smile on my face and and it makes
them three p's in a pod like right.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Away, totally yeah, Oh we have to go back to
the fake car because I love this moment when George
talks about hot wiring a car and Ruthy's comment of like,
well I need to know how to hot wire car?
Am I behind?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Am? I?

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Like, Simon, have you failed me? Like and it's just
so funny because I'm just I just I definitely had
a good chuckle because.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
I just wonder Simon felt threatened.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Little Ruthie talking about hot wiring a car. I also
could see that happening.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah, you know, but Simon's like, wait, you're supposed to
I'm the idol.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, given the skill set, Ruthie could totally rock that
and do that and that would be no problem.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Kenzie wants to know how to wire a car.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
I mean, I'm surprised Mackenzie doesn't know how to.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Or if you don't admit it, I guess it's not
so bad.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
But I can't keep any secrets. You know, if I
knew how to hot wire a car, you would know
that I knew.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's true. Okay, So then we go back to like
Lucy apologizing and being profusely like more and more. And
we also now have this introduction that Mary is a
bad driver. This is an I think this is a
constant throughout it will be throughout the whole run of

(16:33):
the show. I think is this kind of idea that
Mary is a bad driver, which is also followed by
you know, we just had this experience where Mary got
in trouble. Now Mary's in trouble again, and who's going
to take the who's going to follow on the sword?

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Was that art imitating life or life imitating art there
with the driving?

Speaker 3 (16:50):
No, because this if you're talking about when Jesse had
the accident on set, that wasn't until season two.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
So would you say was.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
It life imitating art or art limitating life, I think
from the art.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, yeah, there is a sweet scene where Lucy's in
the closet, which I think is funny. We had a
lot of scenes in the very small closet.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
And you often tucked yourself away in the closet to
have a cry.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yes, Lucy loved to find small spaces to be in
and uh, she kind of confides in Annie that she
just wants to be close to Ruth and the Colonel
and she doesn't feel that they like her, and how
hard it is because she's the only grandma that she

(17:41):
has left and she's just again this kind of ongoing
storyline of Lucy just wanting to be wanted, needed and
to feel connected.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
They definitely aren't very sympathetic at all in the beginning.
They're like, what what does she want from me?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yes, yeah, but it was a sweet I thought that
was actually a cute scene. I was definitely proud of
that one. I was like, ohh.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Again, your your emotional scenes, BEV are always solid. Yeah,
so once again, and and I mean to be fair
about it, you had one every.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Episode, so you like, it's a good.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Thing that that that you were really good at them
because you had to do it every week it feels
and uh and and you definitely set the bar for
everyone for our emotional content. We skipped over my favorite line,

(18:40):
which we uh so after Matt and Mary.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Would go out to practice driving.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Then then there's the the adults are all fighting because
Eric and Any wanted to adopt George, and the Ruth,
the Ruth colonel and the colonel and Ruth are are
also kind of fighting for George, but not it is
clearly that they want to take him, just that they
don't think Eric and Any should take him. Yeah, and

(19:05):
so all of Eric's kind of trauma, childhood trauma kind
of comes spilling out, and and and there's a scene
in the kitchen where the colonel crosses Matt in the
morning and and then he says something about his hair,
like oh, hey, you want to go get a haircut?
And Matt's like, no, no, no, I got a trim

(19:26):
before you guys showed up, just so I could look great.
And the colonel looks at Matt and says, next time,
have the guy use scissors.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
That was a line, and they actually make two comments
about hair.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Well, it's an ongoing thing. And now having a son
who has long hair, I'm used to all of those comments,
but in the second.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
One, like when they hand in the candy, they're like, oh, well,
we be the big bag, but we also didn't account
for like like apparently your hair makes you take up
a lot more masks.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
So yeah, the colonel hates Matt's low long hair because
it makes him a rebel. He says at one point
in the episode, He's a rebel.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's all. It's all in the hair. Man.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
He has hair, could hair.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, Barry had had the hair.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
I took a picture of Barry's hair and I told
Grant to show this to the.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I was like, you know what that you use this
is Berry's hair for your partner to tell him to
get his hair cut like I did.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Because it's like similar length. And I did. It's the
best example I could think of it again, I did
it again.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
So it's so funny.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Well we then have I have Simon in trouble Simon, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well so so then so then we get to the
scene in the garage where George is making good on
and his on his I'm gonna hot wire the car
shtick because Simon and Ruthie are like, you can't this kids,
don't know how to do that, and he's calling I can.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
They're calling his bluff.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
So they show George like jimmying the lock to get
us into the into the car. So we break into
the mini van and then we get into the mini
van and Simon starts doing that kid thing where I'm
like wheels on the bus, like spinning the steering wheel
like I'm driving is being a goober. And then in

(21:33):
comes Mom and Dad to catch me in the in
the car. They left lock playing in the car, which
is a no no, and I do do a great that.
The thing I did that made me laugh was when
I turn around to see them and then I hit
the horn, you know, And I have this little physical
comedy kind of moment that works where I hit the
horn in surprise before we all get out of the

(21:55):
car and apologize.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Scene.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
It is cute.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
And then we get to kind of explore this relationship
of Eric and his parents, and I think it was
interesting because I definitely never caught it before. But he
calls Graandma Ruth arrogant, which for some reason really stood
out to me. I mean, he has a lot of
things to say about his parents. I also felt like

(22:21):
he was very his recollection of how he kind of
grew up. He was very tough on them. And I
thought I wrote for Annie that she was beautifully honest
when because Grammar Ruth kind of comes in and like
basically says like give it to me, like tell me,

(22:42):
tell me what we did wrong, like and Annie says
it perfectly like she she was honest, but like non
emotional and kind of like laid it all out perfectly
to Grammar Ruth. And I think it it resonates and
it's something where you can see this moment where being
like okay.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
And its again it's Catherine's wonderful performance.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
On display as usual.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
But the way that Catherine pulls it off is that
she she hits Ruth with this, with this judgment, but
in a way that carries no anger. So she is honest,
but her honesty doesn't have any bite to it. It's

(23:29):
just it's just that, look, this is how this is
how you guys are perceived, this is how we feel
about you guys. But there's still she says it in
a way that still conveys that they love each other.
And so then they have this moment of honesty, but
then they both still immediately thereafter show each other's support
and love in compassion.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
And I also think that this is a huge moment
too of understanding that like there is a very the
generational difference of how our grandparents were raised, how our
parents were raised, how we're raised, and now how we're
raising our kids. The change of like, you know, in

(24:13):
our grandparents' era, it was like it was the hard
knocks life. Man like you there wasn't necessarily like you
weren't coddled like you were. You had to figure it out.
Our parents were also like you know, yeah, and then
and then for us, like we were kind of the
kids that like the latch key kids who were like

(24:35):
left out all day and only came in when it
was dark, and you know, didn't have this where our
kids are like, you know, there's there's like everyone's being run.
I mean, I don't think that necessarily us, but our
generation is like kind of with kid gloves, you're so
afraid to break them, like you're you're protecting them so much.
So it was it was interesting watching now and just

(25:00):
kind of remembering like how my grandparents were really harsh,
so like they didn't mean to come off mean, but
they would just say it like it is and you're like, wow,
that was that was actually kind of mean, like but
they didn't mean it that way. And I it was
interesting just watching this moment with the with Grammar, Ruth

(25:22):
and the colonel who kind of do have this like
harsh say it like it is type of attitude and Eric,
who is you know, very loving and supportive and wants
to like kind of like say it softer and it's
you know, everything's a little bit full feerer and like,
so I just thought it was interesting. Yeah, and just

(25:42):
that recognition of like these differences in generations I had.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
I had kind of the same realization in that so
that the colonel and Ruth would would have been like
our our grandparents' generation, and they are looking at what
is our parents' generation of Eric and Annie saying you
are are coddling your kids, which as a parent now

(26:10):
raising my kid is the same thing that us as
parents are hearing from our parents that we are coddling
our kids. And so I don't think it's necessarily that
the generations are getting softer and softer and softer and softer,
but that every generation responds to the perceived harshness of

(26:31):
the one before with changes, and that change is always
perceived as being soft, and so it's it's kind of
like same old song generation to generation. Every generation feels
softer to the older generation, and so you know, even
if that maybe they're softer in some places but not
in others, you know, and so like it did strike

(26:53):
me that the criticisms of what what was our parents'
generation from their parents sound a lot like the criticisms
that our generation is now getting from our parents.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
And so you know, it's we're we're. I think that
this song has been sung for a long time.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
It will continue.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
It will absolutely continue.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
What about when Eric was like, well, and when they're saying, well,
how are you what about college?

Speaker 4 (27:20):
How are you going to sign him to college?

Speaker 5 (27:21):
And he's like, well, the same way that I went
to college, you'll get a job. Like how the curl
is like, you know, being a lot harder on Eric
and having expectations that weren't even set in the previous generation.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
But I think there's there's a moment also where Eric
is not only mad about how what his upbringing was,
he's mad for Julie. And I think that there's also
some resentment in it seemed as if there was a
resentment with Eric thinking that one of the reasons why
Julie may have been an alcoholic was because of the

(27:57):
harshness of Colonel. The Colonel and Ruth and I think
and the Colonel saw that as a weakness as well.
So there's definitely this yeah, very strong push pull where
it doesn't wrap up in this episode, but they do
come to a place of a little bit more understanding

(28:19):
of each other, but it definitely that relationship.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Is not is not And at the center of that
battle that they're having about generational parenting is George, because
at this point in the episode, we establish that the
colonel and Ruth have gone kind of behind everyone's back
to go speak to George's social worker and apply to

(28:45):
adopt him, and Eric and any immediately take offense to
this because Eric in particular doesn't want to see George
being raised the way he was raised, because he has
these problems with it. He thinks that he could do
a better job and that George needs more modern parenting
and not this old fashioned style parenting that he disagrees with,
and so at this poor kid is kind of caught

(29:09):
in the crossfire of this ongoing argument that's happening through
the episode.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
And.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
You are made aware that the kid in the middle
is not being actually paid attention to. Everyone is all
in their feelings about how about parenting, and they're not
paying attention to the kid.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's kind of getting talked over.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, it's a battle of Will's versus like actually listening
to who the kid wants to be with and who
George wants to be with. And then also while this
is all going on, we also wrap up with Matt
going to going back to the hardware store and finally

(29:58):
getting the rings back, yes for Annie and kind of
and actually the way he does it is he scares
her as she's coming out of the store and basically
is like, yeah, we were scared too when we were
when it was stolen from us, And that's kind of
what softens her to be like, Okay, well here's the rings.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
So are we saying that her son is the person who.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
We never really the guy that's never buttoned up. We
don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I've thought about this a lot actually.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Because also the fact, so, yeah, I don't know if
he got it at like a pawn shop. I don't
think it's never caught.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
That guy there was a lineup, et cetera, exactly tattoo.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
And so exactly.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
So if it was her son, it wouldn't be a secret, right,
it would be like, Oh, your son is this guy.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
This guy was arrested for stealing my stuff.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
That's I don't know if I necessarily agree with taking
them back, Like maybe, yeah, they're Annie's. It's sentimental, but
like this poor lady's has you know, I don't know,
Like her son did buy them from somewhere, so so.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
What Yeah, well but I mean, how attached are you
going to get to them for having them for three days?

Speaker 4 (31:08):
And then?

Speaker 3 (31:09):
True, I mean I would definitely think she needs to
get paid. She needs to get paid back.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, the solution, And I'm actually happy because I thought
about that predicament.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Macwell was watching the episode.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I'm like, all right, so her son bought these somewhere,
bought him from the guy, bought him from a pawnshop
or whatever, gifted them to his grieving mother. Yeah, so
how do you approach saying, hey, those are mine, give
them back in a way that's compassionate. And I think
they nail it right away because Eric says, look, I'd
love to pay you for them. I'd love to replace

(31:42):
them for you, yeah, or And so at first she's
stubborn about it because she also has sentimental value to
these rings because she's grieving the loss of her.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Husband and it's a gift from her son.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
So the show does a great job I think of respecting,
you know, not just being like those are mine, damn it,
give you know, give them back right now.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
They were stolen.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
So there is compassion in the way that the show
deals with this rather small problem in the scheme of
the episode. But to show respect to the woman at
the store, you know, and in her little her little
slice of life that we see, you know, in the episode,
I think it was pretty well done.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
And then we get back to finally Grammar. Ruth takes
note of what she's been told about being like harsh
and like trying to connect with Lucy, and she shares
a love letter, you know, that she keeps in her wallet,
and this moment of where she was called pouci check,
which I just still laugh about, which is just adorable.

(32:50):
It's adorable and it's sweet, and it's just kind of
this this very sweet moment where you kind of see
this softening of both Grammar Ruth and the Current, and
then we also followed up with the sweet moment with
Eric and the Colonel.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Don't glaze over. Pouci check hold on a seme.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I'm sorry, I just pooci check.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Is from the colonel's favorite comic strip, and I was like, Ah,
what a cool little detail to like put a pin
in how old they are in the generational you know,
uh kind of difference. This was a comic strip he
loved while he was overseas in a war. You know,
it really paints the picture, you know what I mean

(33:36):
of like of a soldier in his bunk with like
his favorite little like serial comic strip to give him
some like memory of home, and he falls in love
with like the with the what the she was a
combat nurse or a something as a mat effect, so
they like it kind of paints this super old fashioned,

(33:58):
very black and white kind of like love story that
they have of how they met and why they're so
tough and like made for each other.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
And so it's it's a soft it's a softening too,
like the fact that he had this like cute little
nickname and that like you know, they're not as harsh
and it's not as like, you know, it's it's it's
very sweet and also shows shows you know, the soft side.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Of the kernel and that he's romantic, romantic in a
way that doesn't translate to the modern world, but that's
fine because.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
It suits him, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
He and again it just kind of yeah, it's humanizing
and it's endearing.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
And I thought it was very cute.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
And the perfect way to connect with Lucy because the
best way to connect with Lucy's give her a love letter.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
It is the perfect way for Ruth to actually come
down to Lucy's level, share something that is personal that
cherished as a secret.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
It didn't know, a conversation, and all Lucy has to
do is read it.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, exactly, it's just like read it.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, so sweet.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
It's very sweet, like inter character writing.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
It does good heavy lifting on get Like I said,
giving Colonel and Ruth's backstory some context, some weight and
then sharing that detail with Lucy is the perfect way
to kind of connect with Lucy, who is the hopeless romantic.
So it's like, it's very sweet, and I thought it
was a great way to kind of to patch up

(35:34):
before we finished the episode, to give the Colonel and
Ruth that that little bit of humanization that they needed
to kind of make the ending feel satisfying. Yeah, and
then there the colonel and Ruth are leaving. So so
now we get into saying goodbye to the Colonel and Ruth.
George has made it clear that he wants to be

(35:57):
adopted by them, that he that he wants to to
go with them, and they have given up sort of
in a way, the fight for George. They think that
maybe Eric is right, and h and Eric and and
and they defend Eric and his parenting that they we
know they don't agree with in all ways, but that

(36:17):
Eric is a good man and a great father and
a good role model and and so they have this
sweet kind of resolution where they say, listen, you know
it's you're in good hands and and you should be proud.
But then we on their way out at the eleventh hour,

(36:38):
Eric and Annie turn over the the adoption papers for
George to the Colonel and Ruth so that George can
be adopted by the Colonel and Ruth he can go
home with them, and everyone is happy.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
And you can also see that like the truth is
like George would fit better with the Colonel and Ruth.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
He's he would walk over Eric and Annie.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, I mean and Simon and George. Simon and George
would uh battle it out.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yes, no one is more relieved at this resolution than
than Simon.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
True, and the episode would not be complete without the
recognition and bringing back lucky Man in the sense that
someone comes to the door with none other than a

(37:34):
Dodge Viper because Simon won.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
And Simon says to him, I've been expecting you.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
This is correct.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
And it's so funny because George has also been like
kind of writing Simon this whole time, and then for
Simon to kind of have this page and being like,
ye see, I told you I am lucky. I am
lucky man. I am lucky man, and yeah, only to
realize that like basically you're not of age, you can't

(38:05):
win the Dodge Viper, and so I'm You're like, you're like, oh,
I know.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
But then the colonel immediately bullies the yes, the lottery
representative who comes to the door and and convinces him
to let Eric and I take it for a spin, right.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
And you dukes, well, I guess it's not quite dukes
of hazard because dukes of hazard do you have to
go across the hood, but you kind of like jump.
I like that you and Eric both like jump over
into the car.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
We give each other a look like should we we should,
and then we jump over the doors into the convertible
viper that's sitting outside it. I remember this day and
I remember being so like. I remembers where I was like,
I have a cool job. I love like my job

(38:59):
in my life right now. Because I got to go
to set and they're sitting in Santa Monica in front
of the house that we shot at was a brand
new convertible fire engine red Dodge Viper and it was
there because of me, because of my storyline, and and
I got to not only sit in it and go

(39:21):
for a ride with Steven, but we got to jump
into it. And they were and I was I remember
being like, are you sure, like and they were like, yeah,
you're going to jump into it?

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Could you? Did you need like something to help you
jump over? Because I was just so impressed we were
able to make that.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
No, we just we just went for it. We just
went for it.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I remember being because nobody was more precious about the
car than me.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I was like, oh, but it's a viper. I'm gonna
I don't want to scratch it. I don't.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
I was so nervous to like to even do that,
so I did it. I was very careful. I was
I had lots of reverence for the car well.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
I mean, I of course you would, I just but
I it was such a cute moment and such a
sweet wrap up to the episode. It was. It was
a perfect kind of ending. And I also just like
redemption for Simon because I feel like you kind of
had been beaten down pretty much the entire episode, so
like to have this moment of like, not only did

(40:20):
you win because George is leaving and he's going to
New York with the Colonel and Ruth, but you also
did exactly what you said you would.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Do in the end when I got my way, and
I was right the whole time. And I feel very
vindicated about it. And yeah, Simon does. He does take
some hits to the old ego this episode with George around,
but in the end he is vindicated and he is
indeed lucky man.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
He is indeed lucky man. Well we did it. That
is episode fourteen seven is enough again. I just I
feel like I keep repeating and saying the same thing,
but it's it is. So that's a gift to be
able to go back through this, and it is really
funny looking at it at it looking at the show

(41:07):
now with through the lens of being a parent, because
there are you know, a lot of people said like,
you know, do you have any parenting tips through like
did you take any from the show? And I would
normally say no, And now as we're going through it,
I'm like, huh, wow, these things maybe these things are
definitely starting. We're starting to see these moments and understand

(41:28):
and have these conversations. So yeah, it's kind of it's
very fun.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, it has been fun for me as well to
go through the show and stuff. Obviously, the show in
many ways is very dated and often causes a bit
of cringe as I watch it. It is I'm not
immune to the to the cringe, but but there are
plenty of other moments that make me smile and get

(41:52):
laughs out of me and make me reminisce fondly.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
So it has been fun to see it again.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
I mean, because it is like a time capsule. There's
definitely I'm also looking at it being like wow that
I remember that hairstyle, and I remember when that was
in and when I thought that that was fashionable. I mean,
there's definitely some looks in there that I'm like, oh okay, oh.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Man, all my looks have come back, Bev.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I don't know about you, but I'm back in baggy
jeans and flannels and stuff. I'm loving the style swing
right now. It's all reminiscent. It's all coming back.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Baby, I mind, haven't not yet.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Nope, nope for you. Well, for me, it's been great.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Not that hope that's good for you.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Well.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I mean, I guess we're gonna dive in next week
with more and so stay tuned. Thank you guys for
joining us on this journey down memory Lane. That was
episode fourteen of season one. You guys, we have so
many episodes to go. It is for frightening.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
It's only going to take us two hundred years, Yeah,
two hundred years instead of two hundred fifty years to
get through all of these episodes.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I mean, I mean, there's I want to just challenge
anyone who's like, these these other podcasts that are doing rewatches,
did they have as many episodes? I mean, honestly, the
only thing that like episodes. US is like grades anatomy.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I mean there's only.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
It's a short list of shows that have more episodes
than us.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yes, and we also were not like a serial drama like.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
We were like we were the one piece. Yeah, we
were frimetime television in the nineties. Okay, we had all
the episodes.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
We had all the episodes, and we will keep charging forward.
Thank you guys so much for joining us. This has
been catching up with the Camdens. We love you guys,
and we'll see you next time.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Hey, guys.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
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