May 26, 2025 • 51 mins
Everyone's favorite TV mom returns to talk all things 7th Heaven, as well as delve into some of her theatrical film acting career pre-Camdens!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're filming.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Yeah, hey guys, we're back. Sweet do you want to
take it?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Yes? Sure?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, so quiet on set. She's been waiting to
do that all day.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I have Hi guys, we are back with the wonderful,
beautiful and talented Catherine. You go on too much, and
this is Catching Up with the Camdens. For those of
you who don't know, that's what you're watching. Sorry if
it was an accident, but.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It is visual.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's why the cameras are well, that's why we aren't
all naked, because it's visual too. But we can be
if you want to be.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Okay, wow, we might want to, we might want to
start all over.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Okay, intes, this is my first time being allowed.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
To do an intro.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
You have done the intro on this scandalous Let her
do the intro.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We do, but she always goes side.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
We're just trying to keep us like on the pack, right,
Let's try it again.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
All right too, Okay, can I go?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
All right?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Welcome back to another wonderful episode of Catching Up with
the Camdens. We have the beautiful, talented, amazing, tall Catherine
Hicks with us. Youthful, yes, just she's such a glow
about her.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And who are you?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I am Ruthie Camden. Sometimes I played Matt Camden.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's a lie.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Oh and Beverly's here too, awesome, So Catherine, how have
you been?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Thanks?
Speaker 7 (01:49):
Mac? What some work.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Again from the top.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I need to do it again. I mean we need
to keep.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It kind of professional.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
This is actually a perfect let's take a little bit
more professional lesson.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Fine, Welcome back to another episode of Catching Up with
the Camdens. Our wonderful TV mother, uh Annie Camden played
by Katherine Hicks, has joined us on this fine rainy
Wednesday morning, and we're gonna chit chat.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
What's your name? Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I am McKenzie Rossman, sometimes mostly David Gallagher except for
when he's McKenzie Rosman, and I am Beverly Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And I'm trying to keep this train on track.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So I apologize.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
She does a great job.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Just that was decent McKenzie. Now let's continue.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Catherine.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yes, I have to say everyone has gone bonkers about
you being on here, and you are really the hit
of the town.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Everybody wanted so much more.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It's like you just gave us a taste and we
are so happy to have you back because you literally
you are like everyone just loves you so much. Thank you,
And I don't think you realize like how much of
an impact Annie Camden has had.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Well, I do hear from fans on the street and
they sort of cry into my arms. And I'm not
making fun of you, guys, it's just you know, you
realize that our eleven years was worth something to the
human beings that were watching it, and that's really neat.
You are mother to us all well, and we see
it because of Brenda's writing.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We remember a.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Lot because we don't remember a lot, do I?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Oh remember what?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Right? No?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I remember? I remember?
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Well, you see, way back in ninety six when this started,
I thought I was going to go back into feature
films movies because I was in turbulence with rayle OTAs,
so I felt really cool. This came along and Aaron
kept saying.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You've got to do it, You've got to do it.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
But then once I met you, guys, it was well,
there's just no more thinking about it. And the writing
was so good. I mean, you could act. Your chops
were in comedy and drama. You know, there was just
so much you could act.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
By the way, we've been rewatching the show on the pod.
We've we're probably at this point about halfway through the
first season. Far and Away, Catherine, your your performance over
the first season is stellar.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You are amazing. You were so.
Speaker 8 (04:47):
Likable and charming and effortless and all of those things.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
But and and your your you're funny like you.
Speaker 8 (04:56):
All of your jokes land and your knowing looks and
all those moments are so are so excellent.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well been.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
My favorite part of the rewatch has been watching your work.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, you are leading the MVP status. David gives an
award to each on each episode, and you far and
away have.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I worked real hard at it because I was an
English major in school.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I wasn't in the drama group.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Graduated college not knowing, but one acting teacher because I
took one little class.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Said you should go on. So I really took it seriously.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Went to Cornell for my master's in Fine Arts acting,
took a bus to New York.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Got on Broadway.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I mean, I was just like, you know, I'm an
actor now, so I'm glad to hear that, because I
would even brush up at Actors Studio in New York
or you know, I just God. I never took it
for granted until sort of well seventh. You know a series,
at first you're nervous and then you're so happy it's
a hit.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And then about five years in I took it for granted.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I mean I stopped going, oh my god, I get
to go to set today, and I'm I feel badly
about that.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
No, I think all of us, all of us had
that same roller coaster ride, you know, the ups and
the downs, and you eventually it becomes the norm and
not something special, and then you find it something special
about it again.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
We all kind of went through that.
Speaker 8 (06:23):
But but seeing like I didn't realize how much of
what I remember about the show was from the first season.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Like there were things I was like, I thought this
was season.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Two or three.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
I can't believe that's coming up so early. Yeah, And
like the.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Color of God I thought was like later in the season.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I didn't realize how I tackled that episode so early, yeah.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
Or the episode where you and I get lost together, Yeah,
I thought was in the late scenes because in.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
When You're Young, it was it was a larger chunk
of our lives, honestly.
Speaker 8 (06:57):
Yeah, And so it stretched Amory. It takes up more
space in our minds. Yeah, but watching your watching your
performance in the first season is just like I feel
like this the show really worked. You were like the
glue of the family, dynamic of our chemistry.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
No doubt.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I think you were you were the rock in which
we all stood upon, like stood with, because I feel
like you anchored us so much, and I think that.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's clear that like I don't know, in my opinion,
you were.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Definitely the star, like you were the heart and it
was it's so fun and you're it's it's it makes
total sense that everyone like loved Annie because like we're
obsessed and love for two so much.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Well, I think has Brenda done one of these because
we know not yeah yet the first we have to
credit the creator writer. I mean she's she's a great writer,
and I mean the first you're as with any series,
you know, it's really a challenge to keep that quality
going for year after year. Of course, the whole standard
(08:10):
is different now or the format, but we would do
twenty two shows a season. I think the magic is
always in the first year.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I don't know why, it just it just is.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Well, I think it's because the effort is there from everybody,
and to get it off the ground and to make
it something big and then and then, for all sorts
of reasons, some of that effort can fall by the
wayside as it runs on its own.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yes, yes, but.
Speaker 8 (08:36):
In the beginning, everyone's making it work, you know, so
everyone's firing.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Yeah, that's an enviable period of time, so you know.
And I mean there was the topics not only helpful
to parents and children, like cutting or neurotic things in
the parents in those days. I think they never even
knew how to say, get to better, nothing strict, and
(09:01):
I think Seventh Heaven sort of taught parents what to
do and or to be more loving.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, I mean I think it was a sort of
the tail end of the children should be seen and
not heard generation.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Well I was going to say it was the tail
end of give them everything they want.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, no, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I think we're back in that generation. Well, we just
passed that generation.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Because I grew up in that generation seen and not
heard and we were the nineties.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Maybe the Yeah, well it's probably a.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Mixed I'm sure it's different from household to household as well.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, but I think you're.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Right, Actually broad generalism accurate.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No, No, you're.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Right, because people would make fun of all our hugging,
but you know, I swear they copied us.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
My children got hugged more.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I didn't realize how much kissing was in the show.
There's a lot of making out, but there's.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
A dad and mom.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Well yes.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
With you guys, yes with Barry, with Jesse, and then
we haven't hit my kissing scenes yet but they're coming.
And no, I know, I'm just saying I didn't realize
how much we dove in from the get go.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It's a very affectionate show. It is a very.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Affectionate and with you guys, the mom and dad in
the show, you guys are very affectionate right from the beginning.
But I think that's all by design because it's I
think part of what the mission of the show was,
so to speak, was that was to kind of idealize
the loving family, and that meant loving parents with a
good and healthy, like regular grown up relationship and the
(10:38):
printal relationship.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Role model to like close the door and.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Have your space.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I also think what was interesting is like I didn't
never recognize it in the moments because I think of
my age, But now I'm seeing so much of that
healthy relationship and also like the permission to be intimate
with your partner and also beat allow your children to
see that love and also show all sides of the relationship.
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Speaker 2 (11:09):
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Speaker 2 (12:15):
And we are back. Yeah, that was a quick, quick,
little that was like a.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Witchy we're all doing our version, Dame Judas Anderson.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
But I think I do think that that was Also
it's been fun rewatching because I think there's so many
nuggets that like kind of breezed past us when we.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Were shooting it.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Like I also, you know, I think we were all
so excited to like see how many lines we had,
how many sees we had, but like now we're seeing
like as a whole. It's been really cool to see
these like very healthy relationships. And I also love like
the role reversal sometimes, like I've Annie was a very
strong mom and like against Eric, and there's a lot
(13:04):
of to strengthen your paramitting and also like in and
in and role reversal, Like I mean, Annie was the
one that could do yeah pretty much anything, yes can
I yes, you please?
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Okay, please please.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
So you're in the first season as far as I
could tell so far, and we're not done with it
yet and I'm sure it's gonna it's gonna continue.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
But you're the most complex character in the family. So
you you.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
Have the the loving relationship with the parents. You you
have great individual relationships with all of us that are
that are shown in different lights. So there's moments with
you where you and I where you could tell like
I'm being annoying and you're and you're sassing me back
because I'm very sassy in the first season and so
but all all done with love and very cute and lighthearted.
(13:54):
You you're shown with They show your handiness, right, that
was a big character trait for you in the beginning
that you throughout the show, but that they established early
on that you are that you're handy, you.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Do electrical work and six things right. But and then
you we.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
Have this scene, we have the the episode with alcoholism
and Aunt Julie where you rescue me from her when
she's attacks me and we see them, we see the
Mama bear come out. It was aggressive, get off my kids,
like anger, Like a switch has been flipped. We get
to see what you and Matt get robbed in the
(14:36):
car together, you get okay, yes, and then you you
have that you're holding it together and not letting anyone
see that it's affected you until time has passed and
that falls apart, and then you you let that the
anguish of that experience come out later delayed, not to
mention that your mom passes in the beginning of the
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first season, and you have all of that complexity with
your father, so that there's so much like depth to
your character at the center of the family in the
first season.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
It's all done beautifully and written.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
The amazingly, but it's there's also scenes that I've noticed
through the middle of the rewatch we're doing now where
you challenge Eric on parenting stuff, you disagree with him
and hold your ground or push back on him. You
guys have parenting disagreements that you hammer out, and you're
strong in those scenes as well, and there's an equality
(15:36):
to your parenting and relationship that is demonstrated clearly. So
all that stuff has so been the most fun for
me to kind of absorb as an adult watching.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
The show with fresh eyes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I keep thinking that Brenda should hear this because she
wrote it. I can't do it, you know, we all
do what we're given.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
I just love that mark my My impression of the
show was always that it was about the preacher.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
And his kids. Oh gosh, no, and it's the core,
the anchor, the family. In my opinion is you yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That's that's most well, well, that's neat.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
I think the biggest misconception about Seventh Heaven. You can
tell right away people who really watched it or didn't,
you know, it's not a religious show.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
You know, it's not.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
I don't want to say twenty five, but it's you know,
it was far more intellectual, far more complicated, far more instructive,
far more emotional.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, far more relevant to everyone's life.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Well, I see that what they what they like to
do on the show, and we talk a bit about
this as we go through each episode, but they'll they'll
decide on a subject, there's a topic that's relevant to
each episode, and then all of the different age groups
that we are all kind of have our relevant perspective
on that topic that are different.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
So you get to see the young.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
Kids deal with it, the older kids with the adults
deal with it all differently.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
And also from like you know, like even with Jesse
and I who were closest in age, they show the
two different sides of how that same perspective, how that
age group could perceive.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
It, one who is like from the far more sensitive one.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And then one from like the one who is like
kind of like the sportier and kind of had a
little bit more edge. But that's what the beauty of
what our show was. And I do think like to
much of what David is saying is a lot of
people see this show as you know, the Minister's kids
and like the minister, like the basis of our show
(17:41):
kind of launching with the minister, and that is now
that we're watching it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
It's not it's like you are the anchor.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I think it's very clear interesting and I I and.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
So about that those perspectives, Like obviously Eric's job on
the show is to have that religious perspective, but it's
not the central personspective. Often it's it's just another perspective
and it's treated equally amongst and I think all the pective.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Sorry to interrupt, but like say religious now, and I mean, uh,
he wasn't representing conservative, judgmental Christianity, and I'll say that
I've h he was just reminding the family of you know,
principles of love, charity, selfishness, selflessness type of stuff. So
(18:32):
I think that's an injustice too, because I just think
people in the business maybe or non watchers, tucked a
label on it. And in fact, as you were talking
about it, I think if it perhaps on a main
network or something, I mean, far less meaty shows get
a lot of attention in the business, and we were
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under the radar as we were on a little network.
But you know, the proof is in the pudding, and
the put is the audience. And when people and I'm
not exaggerating, weep on my arms that you know it,
you just it's really they It changed people, it helped them.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So it helped them.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
So even two weeks ago, I was getting my nails
done and this stylish in Beverly Hills. You know, she's
stylish and she had a little good and I thought,
it says your daughter, no. And we were side by
side for half an hour, and she was sort of
intimidating because she was slim and really put together and
rich looking, and so I'm just paying my bill and
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to me, she wouldn't give me the time.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
She was, you know, cool.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I turned to go and she throws herself on me
and goes, you kept me alive.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You know, my mother left us and you kept me.
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
It's just it's that type of big stuff that I receive.
And I mean maybe as the mom, you guys, don't
you know.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
We all see pieces of that.
Speaker 8 (19:58):
I think I think it's appropriate that you would get
the brunt of.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
That mother issues. Mother is everything and also unders.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I think it had something to give everyone.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, but I also think that like you, you were
the mom that so many wanted and needed and so
being able to like connect and show that gratitude.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Because I you know, we we we've actually.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Been lucky enough to even have a fan on the
podcast and and it's it's been fun to explore like
why things meant so much to people and like why
they connected and how it impacted their lives. And I think,
you know, we kind of scratched the surface at nineties
Con but like you know, you don't get a lot
(20:47):
of time with the fans, but like the podcast has
really opened up and you really have so many more
conversations about the you know how, whether we were their sanctuary,
where we were their safe place every Monday night, or
whether we were the reason why their family came together or.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Wonder I hope so.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And it it's so many different things for so many
different people. And you know, I watching it back, like
I understand why everyone loved Annie and why everyone and
and and you just did such the you also had
very complicated choices like there. I was also looking at
some of some of your work and I was like.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Oh, wow, like that was a really cool choice, like
as an writer.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Of course, but of course, I mean, there's no doubt
that we had phenomenal writing like our Brenda. Brenda nailed
it and the fact that Brenda stayed with us was unbelievable,
Like that is something that does not happen.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
They all died, and the writer exactly died.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
And I still talk to Branda all the time and
tell her like just how grateful and and also but
reminding her of like how much gratitude we all have
for her trusting and believing and imparting these characters to us, and.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
She gave us so much to bite into. She did
as actors, I feel.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
But Jess also, as great as the writing was, yeah,
there is no one who.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Could do it like you literally were just I won't
bring in the great irony of reality we'll leave it
all on sweet stuff because I have since learn learned how.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
At the time I did it, I was a new mother.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I didn't know how important because I've been to therapy,
like psycho psychiatrist therapy. The mother is everything. Freud knew it.
It's the basis of mental health, the mom. And so
I mean that just adds to the what you guys
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are saying. How for everyone to have this mother image,
and perhaps it was it was lacking in their own lives.
So everyone needs mom, and we all know moms are
often not good moms.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I just love how crafty I felt it was.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
That's it does feel by design, and that's Brenda, that
you are kind of the true heart of the show.
But then that is merely the stage on which you
kind of performed and killed it and like and so
watching I've just it makes me smile every time we
go through one of these episodes, especially when I get
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stuff with you and I see little me, you know,
so doing whatever I'm doing, I have a lot of gags.
In the first season, I do a lot of comic
relief type silly stuff, which is great. But in one
of the episodes, and I can't remember which one they?
You know, I'm often I am sassing you or trying
to get my way, and you have clearly kind of
(24:02):
heard enough and are over it, but are still smiling
at me and sassing me back knowingly and still like
leading it, you know, as a parent, not letting.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Me get the best of you.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
But seeing all of that complexity and love in your
eyes as we watch the episode as like it makes
me smile every time.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Oh, that's great. I have to tell you guys something.
Do we have sixty seconds? Oh, he's giving the sign.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Well, on that note, we'll take a quick break and
then we'll have sixty seconds to tell us whatever.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I'll tell us.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Hi, everyone, we're back. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I was just about to tell I had a realization
sitting here between you wonderful offspring, that the irony we're
talking about Annie's effect as a mother, and that I,
as an actress, you know, played it well. But I'm
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looking at these three of Annie's children and I have
to say, oh, we have camera now, I'm they're now
incredible incredible parents themselves. I mean, Beverly has three kids,
David has two, McKenzie has one, and they are actively
involved in sweating out the toil of parenthood and they're
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just doing it so well. I can see that their
children's faces in pictures and you know, their happy children.
So I find it. I don't know if it's if
doing the show had a bit of influence or they're
just naturally good parents, but they are nailing it as
mothers and fathers.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Well.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
There's because Seventh Heaven and our I mean, we grew
up together, We grew up in this space. I think
that there obviously there was a lot of lessons and
a lot of passion and.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, I mean I think we had a lot of
people on set too, who who really set an example
about what it was to be a good guardian and
to nurture. I mean, we were nurtured by so many
people really well when we were you know, yes, by
our studio teachers, by by the hair and makeup people,
by you know that we could confide in every morning wardrobe.
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They were by their wardrobe. Like it was sort of
a village of an extended family. I used to say
that I had about one hundred aunts and uncles, and
those were the people that built us up. Those were
the people that you know, would say, you know, you're
you're smart, you know you've done a good job.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I've never thought of that. But it's also it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
And I also think you feel that.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
David I did. Yeah, I always felt like and I
took I was. I mean, I grew up on set
and my parents always imparted to me that you always
treat the crew like you would treat the most famous
person on set. You don't, you don't differentiate between cast
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and crew. Everyone's there working together and so like. But
where that sank in and became the kind of the
thing that I carried on in my career was was
on our set where you know, we when I think
back on the set fondly, it's it's not of just
it's not us, it's us plus you know, and so
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all of those faces.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
It's more important.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Yeah, we all did.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
It together and that includes all the departments and and everybody.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That's why I like, I got over those So. I
know a lot of actors don't like to watch themselves
and then you know, and I was that way for
a very long time, but then I realized it was
extremely narcissistic. Yeah, because it's not like I'm just watching myself.
I'm watching the lighting. I'm watching the wardrobe and watching
the makeup and watching everything, and so yeah, I can
get over myself and suffer through the agony of seeing
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my face on screens from time to time because I
want to see the whole picture.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
That's why she's brilliant performance.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I also think that what the gift of growing up
on set was is like we had very specific relationships
with each of our like of all with everybody. So
there might be one person who really wanted to nurture
our you know, if we.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
If they loved dog ice cream, but you had.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
So we had all of these different relationships that we
could focus on. And like I remember someone teaching me
how to knit, and so I learned how to on set.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I learned.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
My connection with science Bob and learning about that. And
then Cheryl, like we had deep I had depth, depth, deep,
really deep conversations about religion because she was Jewish and
I I was exploring my Christianity and wanting to know
the difference. And so all of a sudden, it's not
just about your crew, It's about these very very personal,
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deep relationships with these people that you have for eleven years.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So we were able to explore so much.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Of who we were or learn about other people in
this very tight reat of that.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I have to confess I glump on one image of
little David. You know, I felt or looked at being
trapped and wanting to play basketball at break time and
being told he can't, and what did they take it away?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It was something so sad, and I thought, oh my.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
God, because it's because you're getting so sweaty.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
So for a while, I'm and I'll reiterate that I'm
very unathletic. But the crew guys, a couple of the
grips and electricians and stuff, woul to hoop outside by
the ramp and they would go play like half court
basketball and stuff at lunch, and I would like speed
eat my lunch as fast as I could so I
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could run over there and like be like, can I play.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
With you guys?
Speaker 8 (30:13):
And they were always cool and let me play and
like give me the let me have the ball, and
let me take shot. Like I kind of now know
that they were like accommodating me as not only is
the kid who can't get hurt as the actor on
the set, but also as like you know, a ten
year old. They were trying to have a real half
court basketball game in twenty minutes, and so they let
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me play with them.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
For a while. I played with them for a week
or two, and then and then i'd go back to.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Rehearsal just red face this sweat, and I'd be all wet,
you know, and they'd be like and then they'd be
drying my hair and having to like get me reready
and stuff. And I loved it because I felt cool
playing basketball with the crew guys. And they then they
told me, like, I can't do that anymore because I
might get hurt, and for all of these valid excuses reasons,
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but really it was like, you're wasting our time.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I was upset about it, for sure. And at the time,
I was like it's not fair, you know, like we
we all have to go back and get ready after
lunch anyway, and like what's the big deal, and.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
I won't get hurt. I could play basketball, you know.
But I think I.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Wonder what they do, I mean, do some kids.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Get up when they started playing hacky Sack?
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (31:26):
Because I got upset, then nobody was able to play basketball.
And so then we started playing hacky Sack, which like
solved that you're gonna get hurt problem, but not the
sweaty problem.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I remember.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
And we got really good at Hacky Sack too, which
I don't know is something you brag about, but it
was fun.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I remember Hacky Sack.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah, And I think that's what was so cool, was like,
I mean, god, it's it's been so much fun because
a lot of these memories, like I don't think about,
but I think about like Darryl, and I think about Adam,
and I think about all of these historic and I
think about like all.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Of these people who meant so much less.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And what has been incredible is we've had actually had
a few crew come on with us, and what's been.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Another testimony to what our show.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
The magic of our show is everyone said when they
talk about the sets that they worked on, the ones
that were the most special, and they felt that they
had a presence and they had a like they felt
a part of it was our show and the way
we treated like SHAWNA said, you know, happy had a trailer.
No one treated a dog and their trainer with giving
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them a trailer and giving them that space and like
treating them so which it's not normal. And then even Cheryl,
our teacher, was saying, like we each had our own
trailer and we had our own space to create our
learning environment that was also not normal, like normally you
just cram all the kids in the room. They all
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have to have the same teach sure, they're all in
different grades. So we really had a very unique and
very special space that.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
We did.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, exactly know.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
We had no idea and it's but it's amazing to
also hear that as special as seventh Penn was to us,
was just as special for the crew members who.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Were This is why I think Brenda it would be
really nice for her to hear I think too, Yeah
as well, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
This is your revelation about how how everyone chipped into
making it, you know, a loving environment.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
The crew.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I mean, I respect the crew for what they do
and I miss them. I miss the guys and the ladies. Uh,
but I never realized how they enhanced your childhoods and.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
A huge way. We'll take a quick break right here
and we'll be right back.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
We're back, everybody, We're back.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Catherine, thanks for coming back to hang out with us.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Thank you. I love you all so much.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
What were we talking about?
Speaker 8 (34:13):
We were just talking about while we were gone that
in the in the wardrobe department they had we had
a little we did one of those things on the
doorframe where they they had our heights over the years,
and of course by the end we had it was
along the what you know, it.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Was probably like a mold, a strip of mold.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
They it was like it was the doorframe in the
in the wardrobe room where where we did our fittings,
that doorframe for the little closet.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
We would change it. That's where it was, right.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, I wonder who has it though.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Oh, I don't know if anyone would kept. They probably
painted over. So if you go to that building and
scratch the paint, is that.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Building still there?
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Though I thought it was the building. Yeah, I think
the building.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Still where the trail how much we had road trip,
we know that there was when people overwhelmed with this
feeling of seeing you guys and then talking about the
memories and you it all comes to life, and we
were together so much. It's helping me not ever, it
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help helps me savor so much the keys.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
What's incredible about us.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
All like kind of being together and like like it's
such a foundation of who we are and like it
wasn't just a show.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
This was not just a show.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
We all loved each other.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
This is remember when it came time to act for Christmas,
you know around the tree, it's literally I think that's
what acting is supposed to be, where you're not doing anything.
When we say I love you, it was just the
people we were talking to. It was each other. It
wasn't Lucy or.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
The best Christmas parties, though had some great, great parties.
The only person who couldn't party was also one that's.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
True Christmas dinner.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
They were the heroes there.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
Man, You when when you'd get there in the morning,
we had it. We had a catering truck, were out
back by the ramp. Okay, you're gonna hear about the
ramp a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
My favorite ramp is iconic to.
Speaker 8 (36:23):
Me is it is the when I remember when I
think of set, I think of the ramp. You would
go from the trailers up this this big like a
loading ramp for a you know, a factory in cements
into yeah, solid cement ramp that we had in the back,
and that would lead you up into the stage. But
then off the ramp is where we had our ar
catering truck and our caterers were Alesio and One, and
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you would get there in the morning and you try
to get there like five minutes earlier than you needed
to be, so you could run over to the catering
truck and they'd make you whatever you wanted.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
Whatever you wanted for breakfast.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
I'd be like, I want, yeah, pancakes and breakfast burritos
and waffles, and they.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Just fresh toast, good bacon and sour cream or something
and what was yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
I mean, I just remember they were just like there
was a little breakfast menu that would change like that.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
You know, we didn't have the same menu every day.
It was they would mix it up all the time.
Speaker 8 (37:21):
But literally they were just like, what do you want?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
You ordered toast, but it's always like actually Texas toast,
and as I remember it, and I just pretend that
it didn't have butter on it because I never ordered
the butter on it.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
But like, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Though, I think I'm pretty sure that they made everybody
whatever they wanted to that it wasn't like a special
thing they did for us as the kids or the cast.
Like I'm pretty sure there was everybody could just get
their favorite breakfast.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
But I also think what was amazing too is like
they knew like they knew our orders, they knew our
like our little nuances of what we liked, and.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
They just always took such great care.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
And again I think that that's what was magical about
our show, is like there was so much care involved,
like and there was so much personalization and those personal relationships,
so like we each had our personal relationships with one
on Elisia like.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
They they were definitely the real MVPs.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
For mac anything food oriented.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Was there like.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Amazing of little Mackenzie's moments. This this lady was six
years old, but she joined and she was a bit
of Shirley Temple with the cute hair, and she'd be
put on tables and she'd dance and she was like
this sweet creature and you had just this light and
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her like she is you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Not just Shirley Temple.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
No, no, no, it's Mackenzie because beneath that are the
brown eyes. So there's a bit of wisdom and uh
knowing us and like, don't make me a trick pony.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
I am an accurate and we're going through and I'll
say this and I was gonna say it later for
other things, but I'll say it again later. But but
watching back, and I know that Mac and I were
like a team out the gate.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
We did.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
We did all our early cute, all of our cute
b storyline stuff with me and Mac getting into trouble,
so our chicken pox and are getting lost together, and
our bunk beds and you know, all all of that
stuff and your stuffed animals and Hueye and and all
all that great stuff we did. But I'm just watching
through this stuff now, and I'm watching you just outshine me,
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like constantly, constantly taking the moment and being like the cute,
unbelievably cute and nailing like the the humor and the
timing and stuff.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
It's it's been.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
But that's what I was gonna say, the dry humor.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
The magic, the magic of Mac was that you didn't
play up the cute cards that she was.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
That was what was always great about It was always.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Very understated, and you were so much wiser than your age,
and so where most actors would be like, it's so cute, Will,
That's what.
Speaker 9 (40:17):
I'm busy doing you the beginning, And that's what's so
charming is like you're always like.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Everything was actually most often throwaways, and the magic of
the throwaway was because it was understated, You're just like.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's so.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
It was so different than what you were used to
seeing on television because you.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
The balance isness.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
But but that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Great, though, is you guys were the perfect balance.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
You guys fed off each other in such a magical way.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You never performative.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
I don't believe beginning I'm watching from my eyes watching
in the beginning, I'm seeing no. Yeah, I don't think
that we've gotten to the point in the show where
I found my stride sly but like, but all of
the cute, like the cute jokes that are written for me,
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you could see the awareness of the joke in me, yes,
and not in mac And and that's not so the
detriment of it. That's what makes Max moments like hit
and you put the button on so many of our
little like vignettes that we do, our little gags. And
I've been like I was, you know the other night
(41:39):
when Sean and I were watching through some of the episodes,
and I was like, she did it again, she did
it again. Look, she stole it, and I was like,
but I'm proud of you and I love it, you know,
It's like.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
I'm not mad about it. It's awesome.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Well, and I think that's also the magic of all
of us, like it was, there was never like no
one was ever trying to steal anything from any one.
It's so like it's we all compliment each other, complimented
each other so well, and you can see our performances growing.
I can also see as we're diving deeper into the show,
we're seeing like the growth in those relationships and the
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trust in those scenes. You know, obviously some scenes are
better than others, mostly speaking on behalf of myself because
I'm like, well, those were poor choices, but you can
also see it's me growing as an actor and trying
to learn and find that comfort space and trying to find.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
One thing that space.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Stephen and I would talk about it was a great
acting lesson because.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
A series of Ford's an actor.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
A great opportunitunity to learn how to relax, which is
the goal of any acting exercise, be it you know, yes,
from actors studio to any of them. So instead of breathing,
like Lee Strasburg says, and really having to work up
because as you're doing a three month project, you know,
or a six month play. We had the we were
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relaxed after certainly after I don't know how many months,
maybe the first year.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
And so the work is really good.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Because it's there's no nerves, there's no self conscious you're.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Just in it.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
But even then, sometimes I guess my worst trait would
be I feel myself acting and that would feel like
a good take. Stephen really had that, and we would
help each other because when he was his best, he
wasn't acting. And then we'd say cut and he'd go,
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that was terrible. I want to do it and again,
and I'd say, no, you weren't, don't do it.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
So you know, you weren't doing anything, and that's why
it was good.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
That's the most elusive part of acting. To do nothing.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
It takes something. You spend your whole career trying to
figure that out.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Well, we we had Hannah on a Lie and they're like, well,
we you know, we want to learn how to act,
and like the key to acting is not acting and
and and but it's it's it's so easy to say,
but so difficult to master because I think that that
is the most. It's again, it's it's so easy.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Well, you want to sell, you want to you want
to sell what you're saying. You know, you have to trust.
Of course, single camera film is different than television, right,
you can be bigger on television, I think, but the
big screen.
Speaker 8 (44:34):
I mean, you know, yeah, film it it it you
dial it in for film.
Speaker 6 (44:39):
It's it's more important in film.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
And then in the theater it's everything is exaggerated and
has to be bigger.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So it is like.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Because you're performing for the back row exactly, and you're
and you need to make sure that they can feel
that emotion and they can hear that emotion.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
And then my husband and they all say it about
Robert de Niro, but Kevin saw it firsthand. He did
the fan with him, and he said literally, and Kevin
knows a lot about acting and everything. He's a drama major.
He said, literally, when they're going action, you're just thinking.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
What was he not? What you know?
Speaker 5 (45:12):
It's like alarming, alarmingly, like are you phoning this whole
movie in?
Speaker 1 (45:17):
And then you go to dailies and it's all there.
A good film actor.
Speaker 8 (45:21):
Yes, knows I've also to do for the camera Yeah,
I've also been on sets and this is how and
I learned. I learned this kind of later on accident,
because I was on a set one time. One of
the sets that I was on and the lead that
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there was like murmurs on the set about how the
lead was like phoning it in. They sucked, they weren't like,
they weren't given it. The producers were upset. No one
knew how to like get anything out of them, so
boring or bland or blah blah blah. And you watch
the project and you're like, the the best part of
the project, and it just it all comes out in
(46:03):
the camera. You're not performing for the room, you're in
the c Yeah, it's it's all how how the camera
sees you. And that that quiet confidence matters on the
bigger screen a lot more. But but I always thought
about it like performing, performing is about lying. Acting is
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about telling the truth. Wow, and so like so when
when you're if you're performing, you're doing the wrong thing,
you know. And so there's and that's why in theater
it's different because theater is more about performing given the
nature the stage and the audience. But but for film
and television, you're supposed to act, and acting is about
finding the truth in on the page and not not lying,
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not being someone else, finding out how to be yourself
in it, you know, to be uh genuine.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yeah. Yeah, And it's it's more challenging than it sounds.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
It is.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
Yeah, it's a trick.
Speaker 8 (47:01):
It's a it's a trick of the trade that you
have to it's a muscle that you have to train and.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
You have to prepare for it. You sort of have to.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
The method is where you pick things in your real life.
Speaker 8 (47:12):
And I always found so much joy in over the
course of my career in figuring that out.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
Like the journey of learning all of this was always
fun for me.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Miss John was he big?
Speaker 6 (47:25):
He was big.
Speaker 8 (47:26):
I mean I my memories, yeah, My my memories of
him are are more impressions of how he treated me
and and how and how I saw him treat everybody
on set.
Speaker 6 (47:39):
John. The thing that.
Speaker 8 (47:41):
About John that that was so impressionable on me was
that he I saw him joke and be kind and
gentle and and like hand on the shoulder talking to
Crewe and to to everybody on set. He said good
morning to everybody. He was just a darling to everyone
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on stage, everyone gushed about everyone who worked with them
loved him. But then years later I went to one
of his film premieres and uh, and I had gotten
to see him at the after party of the film
and things.
Speaker 6 (48:14):
I wanted to just be like, hey, John, remember.
Speaker 8 (48:16):
Me, like we did these movies together and it's good
to see you and whoever, and he's like, how's Vin Sinelena?
And he and he asked me how my parents were
by name, like instantly, and he went and I was
just taken by the fact that like he remembered me,
and he remembered my family, and that he remembered that
he he had a place.
Speaker 6 (48:36):
In his heart for everyone he worked with like that.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
Like that impressionat was was I was like, I want
to be remembered by I want sets to remember me
like that. And so that that was the impression that
he gave me.
Speaker 6 (48:50):
That lasted.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
That's so neat. Well I'm out of here.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Well, thank you, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
I have nothing more to say except I don't okay
so much.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well, thank you for joining it.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I have to pick.
Speaker 9 (49:10):
This.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
Can I share one thing I'm so humiliated about the
last time we did our first convention.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
It was.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
It was like Nirvana just being together. It had been
two decades or something. And then the second one.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
It was was great too. Uh.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
The truth when we were filming Seventh Heaven, I was
so guilt written I had a four year old that
all I said. I was not nice to the kids.
At first this great, you know, Annie Camden. They're saying
I acted, but in reality, I was like, I got
to pick Katie up from school. I gotta go bye bye,
I gotta get so then I proceed to in the
last I'm still texting them about Katie.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
But I was just doing it to share with them.
Speaker 5 (49:52):
But then I realized, oh no, They're like, it's still
avo Katie.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
We're so into our own shoulder and that's natural. That's yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Way we love Katie and Katie's part of the family.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
And also, by the.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Way, about kids, we want to hear about yours.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Anyway, it's just a funny twist.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
But and by the way, we love Katie.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah, well whatever, so.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
We're going to have Katie on to share her perspective.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
Yeah Katie, Okay, Well, it was nice to see you all.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I love you, love you, Catherine, we love you.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Were getting married, so potentially Okay, yes, eventually when I
get around that. That is the wedding planner type. I
am not so it might happen. Be will plan my
wedding when she.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Gets around it.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
But then we're going Nataly.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah, okay, and that's where we went.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
I haven't forgotten main Street little uh eat real shake.
Speaker 8 (50:57):
At sometime whenever you're in my next of the woods, Catherine,
you let me know.
Speaker 6 (51:02):
We'll go somewhere.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
And our real mother is she was the mother all along,
even when absolutely and that's a compliment.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
All right, I'm out of yurcan Katie.
Speaker 8 (51:19):
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We're filming.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Yeah, hey guys, we're back. Sweet do you want to
take it?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Yes? Sure?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, so quiet on set. She's been waiting to
do that all day.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I have Hi guys, we are back with the wonderful,
beautiful and talented Catherine. You go on too much, and
this is Catching Up with the Camdens. For those of
you who don't know, that's what you're watching. Sorry if
it was an accident, but.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It is visual.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
That's why the cameras are well, that's why we aren't
all naked, because it's visual too. But we can be
if you want to be.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Okay, wow, we might want to, we might want to
start all over.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Okay, intes, this is my first time being allowed.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
To do an intro.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
You have done the intro on this scandalous Let her
do the intro.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We do, but she always goes side.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
We're just trying to keep us like on the pack, right,
Let's try it again.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
All right too, Okay, can I go?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
All right?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Welcome back to another wonderful episode of Catching Up with
the Camdens. We have the beautiful, talented, amazing, tall Catherine
Hicks with us. Youthful, yes, just she's such a glow
about her.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And who are you?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I am Ruthie Camden. Sometimes I played Matt Camden.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's a lie.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Oh and Beverly's here too, awesome, So Catherine, how have
you been?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Thanks?
Speaker 7 (01:49):
Mac? What some work.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Again from the top.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I need to do it again. I mean we need
to keep.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It kind of professional.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
This is actually a perfect let's take a little bit
more professional lesson.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Fine, Welcome back to another episode of Catching Up with
the Camdens. Our wonderful TV mother, uh Annie Camden played
by Katherine Hicks, has joined us on this fine rainy
Wednesday morning, and we're gonna chit chat.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
What's your name? Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I am McKenzie Rossman, sometimes mostly David Gallagher except for
when he's McKenzie Rosman, and I am Beverly Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
And I'm trying to keep this train on track.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So I apologize.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
She does a great job.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Just that was decent McKenzie. Now let's continue.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Catherine.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yes, I have to say everyone has gone bonkers about
you being on here, and you are really the hit
of the town.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Everybody wanted so much more.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It's like you just gave us a taste and we
are so happy to have you back because you literally
you are like everyone just loves you so much. Thank you,
And I don't think you realize like how much of
an impact Annie Camden has had.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Well, I do hear from fans on the street and
they sort of cry into my arms. And I'm not
making fun of you, guys, it's just you know, you
realize that our eleven years was worth something to the
human beings that were watching it, and that's really neat.
You are mother to us all well, and we see
it because of Brenda's writing.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We remember a.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Lot because we don't remember a lot, do I?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Oh remember what?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Right? No?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I remember? I remember?
Speaker 5 (03:53):
Well, you see, way back in ninety six when this started,
I thought I was going to go back into feature
films movies because I was in turbulence with rayle OTAs,
so I felt really cool. This came along and Aaron
kept saying.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You've got to do it, You've got to do it.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
But then once I met you, guys, it was well,
there's just no more thinking about it. And the writing
was so good. I mean, you could act. Your chops
were in comedy and drama. You know, there was just
so much you could act.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
By the way, we've been rewatching the show on the pod.
We've we're probably at this point about halfway through the
first season. Far and Away, Catherine, your your performance over
the first season is stellar.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You are amazing. You were so.
Speaker 8 (04:47):
Likable and charming and effortless and all of those things.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
But and and your your you're funny like you.
Speaker 8 (04:56):
All of your jokes land and your knowing looks and
all those moments are so are so excellent.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well been.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
My favorite part of the rewatch has been watching your work.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah, you are leading the MVP status. David gives an
award to each on each episode, and you far and
away have.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I worked real hard at it because I was an
English major in school.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I wasn't in the drama group.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Graduated college not knowing, but one acting teacher because I
took one little class.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Said you should go on. So I really took it seriously.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Went to Cornell for my master's in Fine Arts acting,
took a bus to New York.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Got on Broadway.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
I mean, I was just like, you know, I'm an
actor now, so I'm glad to hear that, because I
would even brush up at Actors Studio in New York
or you know, I just God. I never took it
for granted until sort of well seventh. You know a series,
at first you're nervous and then you're so happy it's
a hit.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And then about five years in I took it for granted.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
I mean I stopped going, oh my god, I get
to go to set today, and I'm I feel badly
about that.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
No, I think all of us, all of us had
that same roller coaster ride, you know, the ups and
the downs, and you eventually it becomes the norm and
not something special, and then you find it something special
about it again.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
We all kind of went through that.
Speaker 8 (06:23):
But but seeing like I didn't realize how much of
what I remember about the show was from the first season.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Like there were things I was like, I thought this
was season.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Two or three.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
I can't believe that's coming up so early. Yeah, And
like the.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Color of God I thought was like later in the season.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
I didn't realize how I tackled that episode so early, yeah.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
Or the episode where you and I get lost together, Yeah,
I thought was in the late scenes because in.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
When You're Young, it was it was a larger chunk
of our lives, honestly.
Speaker 8 (06:57):
Yeah, And so it stretched Amory. It takes up more
space in our minds. Yeah, but watching your watching your
performance in the first season is just like I feel
like this the show really worked. You were like the
glue of the family, dynamic of our chemistry.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
No doubt.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I think you were you were the rock in which
we all stood upon, like stood with, because I feel
like you anchored us so much, and I think that.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's clear that like I don't know, in my opinion,
you were.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Definitely the star, like you were the heart and it
was it's so fun and you're it's it's it makes
total sense that everyone like loved Annie because like we're
obsessed and love for two so much.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Well, I think has Brenda done one of these because
we know not yeah yet the first we have to
credit the creator writer. I mean she's she's a great writer,
and I mean the first you're as with any series,
you know, it's really a challenge to keep that quality
going for year after year. Of course, the whole standard
(08:10):
is different now or the format, but we would do
twenty two shows a season. I think the magic is
always in the first year.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I don't know why, it just it just is.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
Well, I think it's because the effort is there from everybody,
and to get it off the ground and to make
it something big and then and then, for all sorts
of reasons, some of that effort can fall by the
wayside as it runs on its own.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yes, yes, but.
Speaker 8 (08:36):
In the beginning, everyone's making it work, you know, so
everyone's firing.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
Yeah, that's an enviable period of time, so you know.
And I mean there was the topics not only helpful
to parents and children, like cutting or neurotic things in
the parents in those days. I think they never even
knew how to say, get to better, nothing strict, and
(09:01):
I think Seventh Heaven sort of taught parents what to
do and or to be more loving.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, I mean I think it was a sort of
the tail end of the children should be seen and
not heard generation.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Well I was going to say it was the tail
end of give them everything they want.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, no, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I think we're back in that generation. Well, we just
passed that generation.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Because I grew up in that generation seen and not
heard and we were the nineties.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Maybe the Yeah, well it's probably a.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Mixed I'm sure it's different from household to household as well.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, but I think you're.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Right, Actually broad generalism accurate.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No, No, you're.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
Right, because people would make fun of all our hugging,
but you know, I swear they copied us.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
My children got hugged more.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I didn't realize how much kissing was in the show.
There's a lot of making out, but there's.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
A dad and mom.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Well yes.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
With you guys, yes with Barry, with Jesse, and then
we haven't hit my kissing scenes yet but they're coming.
And no, I know, I'm just saying I didn't realize
how much we dove in from the get go.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It's a very affectionate show. It is a very.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Affectionate and with you guys, the mom and dad in
the show, you guys are very affectionate right from the beginning.
But I think that's all by design because it's I
think part of what the mission of the show was,
so to speak, was that was to kind of idealize
the loving family, and that meant loving parents with a
good and healthy, like regular grown up relationship and the
(10:38):
printal relationship.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Role model to like close the door and.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Have your space.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
I also think what was interesting is like I didn't
never recognize it in the moments because I think of
my age, But now I'm seeing so much of that
healthy relationship and also like the permission to be intimate
with your partner and also beat allow your children to
see that love and also show all sides of the relationship.
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Speaker 2 (11:09):
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Speaker 2 (12:15):
And we are back. Yeah, that was a quick, quick,
little that was like a.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Witchy we're all doing our version, Dame Judas Anderson.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
But I think I do think that that was Also
it's been fun rewatching because I think there's so many
nuggets that like kind of breezed past us when we.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Were shooting it.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Like I also, you know, I think we were all
so excited to like see how many lines we had,
how many sees we had, but like now we're seeing
like as a whole. It's been really cool to see
these like very healthy relationships. And I also love like
the role reversal sometimes, like I've Annie was a very
strong mom and like against Eric, and there's a lot
(13:04):
of to strengthen your paramitting and also like in and
in and role reversal, Like I mean, Annie was the
one that could do yeah pretty much anything, yes can
I yes, you please?
Speaker 6 (13:17):
Okay, please please.
Speaker 8 (13:18):
So you're in the first season as far as I
could tell so far, and we're not done with it
yet and I'm sure it's gonna it's gonna continue.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
But you're the most complex character in the family. So
you you.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
Have the the loving relationship with the parents. You you
have great individual relationships with all of us that are
that are shown in different lights. So there's moments with
you where you and I where you could tell like
I'm being annoying and you're and you're sassing me back
because I'm very sassy in the first season and so
but all all done with love and very cute and lighthearted.
(13:54):
You you're shown with They show your handiness, right, that
was a big character trait for you in the beginning
that you throughout the show, but that they established early
on that you are that you're handy, you.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Do electrical work and six things right. But and then
you we.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
Have this scene, we have the the episode with alcoholism
and Aunt Julie where you rescue me from her when
she's attacks me and we see them, we see the
Mama bear come out. It was aggressive, get off my kids,
like anger, Like a switch has been flipped. We get
to see what you and Matt get robbed in the
(14:36):
car together, you get okay, yes, and then you you
have that you're holding it together and not letting anyone
see that it's affected you until time has passed and
that falls apart, and then you you let that the
anguish of that experience come out later delayed, not to
mention that your mom passes in the beginning of the
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first season, and you have all of that complexity with
your father, so that there's so much like depth to
your character at the center of the family in the
first season.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
It's all done beautifully and written.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
The amazingly, but it's there's also scenes that I've noticed
through the middle of the rewatch we're doing now where
you challenge Eric on parenting stuff, you disagree with him
and hold your ground or push back on him. You
guys have parenting disagreements that you hammer out, and you're
strong in those scenes as well, and there's an equality
(15:36):
to your parenting and relationship that is demonstrated clearly. So
all that stuff has so been the most fun for
me to kind of absorb as an adult watching.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
The show with fresh eyes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I keep thinking that Brenda should hear this because she
wrote it. I can't do it, you know, we all
do what we're given.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
I just love that mark my My impression of the
show was always that it was about the preacher.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
And his kids. Oh gosh, no, and it's the core,
the anchor, the family. In my opinion is you yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That's that's most well, well, that's neat.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
I think the biggest misconception about Seventh Heaven. You can
tell right away people who really watched it or didn't,
you know, it's not a religious show.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
You know, it's not.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
I don't want to say twenty five, but it's you know,
it was far more intellectual, far more complicated, far more instructive,
far more emotional.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, far more relevant to everyone's life.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Well, I see that what they what they like to
do on the show, and we talk a bit about
this as we go through each episode, but they'll they'll
decide on a subject, there's a topic that's relevant to
each episode, and then all of the different age groups
that we are all kind of have our relevant perspective
on that topic that are different.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
So you get to see the young.
Speaker 8 (17:01):
Kids deal with it, the older kids with the adults
deal with it all differently.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
And also from like you know, like even with Jesse
and I who were closest in age, they show the
two different sides of how that same perspective, how that
age group could perceive.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
It, one who is like from the far more sensitive one.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
And then one from like the one who is like
kind of like the sportier and kind of had a
little bit more edge. But that's what the beauty of
what our show was. And I do think like to
much of what David is saying is a lot of
people see this show as you know, the Minister's kids
and like the minister, like the basis of our show
(17:41):
kind of launching with the minister, and that is now
that we're watching it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
It's not it's like you are the anchor.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I think it's very clear interesting and I I and.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
So about that those perspectives, Like obviously Eric's job on
the show is to have that religious perspective, but it's
not the central personspective. Often it's it's just another perspective
and it's treated equally amongst and I think all the pective.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Sorry to interrupt, but like say religious now, and I mean, uh,
he wasn't representing conservative, judgmental Christianity, and I'll say that
I've h he was just reminding the family of you know,
principles of love, charity, selfishness, selflessness type of stuff. So
(18:32):
I think that's an injustice too, because I just think
people in the business maybe or non watchers, tucked a
label on it. And in fact, as you were talking
about it, I think if it perhaps on a main
network or something, I mean, far less meaty shows get
a lot of attention in the business, and we were
(18:53):
under the radar as we were on a little network.
But you know, the proof is in the pudding, and
the put is the audience. And when people and I'm
not exaggerating, weep on my arms that you know it,
you just it's really they It changed people, it helped them.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So it helped them.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
So even two weeks ago, I was getting my nails
done and this stylish in Beverly Hills. You know, she's
stylish and she had a little good and I thought,
it says your daughter, no. And we were side by
side for half an hour, and she was sort of
intimidating because she was slim and really put together and
rich looking, and so I'm just paying my bill and
(19:34):
to me, she wouldn't give me the time.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
She was, you know, cool.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
I turned to go and she throws herself on me
and goes, you kept me alive.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You know, my mother left us and you kept me.
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
It's just it's that type of big stuff that I receive.
And I mean maybe as the mom, you guys, don't
you know.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
We all see pieces of that.
Speaker 8 (19:58):
I think I think it's appropriate that you would get
the brunt of.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
That mother issues. Mother is everything and also unders.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I think it had something to give everyone.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah, but I also think that like you, you were
the mom that so many wanted and needed and so
being able to like connect and show that gratitude.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Because I you know, we we we've actually.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Been lucky enough to even have a fan on the
podcast and and it's it's been fun to explore like
why things meant so much to people and like why
they connected and how it impacted their lives. And I think,
you know, we kind of scratched the surface at nineties
Con but like you know, you don't get a lot
(20:47):
of time with the fans, but like the podcast has
really opened up and you really have so many more
conversations about the you know how, whether we were their sanctuary,
where we were their safe place every Monday night, or
whether we were the reason why their family came together or.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Wonder I hope so.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And it it's so many different things for so many
different people. And you know, I watching it back, like
I understand why everyone loved Annie and why everyone and
and and you just did such the you also had
very complicated choices like there. I was also looking at
some of some of your work and I was like.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Oh, wow, like that was a really cool choice, like
as an writer.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Of course, but of course, I mean, there's no doubt
that we had phenomenal writing like our Brenda. Brenda nailed
it and the fact that Brenda stayed with us was unbelievable,
Like that is something that does not happen.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
They all died, and the writer exactly died.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
And I still talk to Branda all the time and
tell her like just how grateful and and also but
reminding her of like how much gratitude we all have
for her trusting and believing and imparting these characters to us, and.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
She gave us so much to bite into. She did
as actors, I feel.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
But Jess also, as great as the writing was, yeah,
there is no one who.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Could do it like you literally were just I won't
bring in the great irony of reality we'll leave it
all on sweet stuff because I have since learn learned how.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
At the time I did it, I was a new mother.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I didn't know how important because I've been to therapy,
like psycho psychiatrist therapy. The mother is everything. Freud knew it.
It's the basis of mental health, the mom. And so
I mean that just adds to the what you guys
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are saying. How for everyone to have this mother image,
and perhaps it was it was lacking in their own lives.
So everyone needs mom, and we all know moms are
often not good moms.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
I just love how crafty I felt it was.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
That's it does feel by design, and that's Brenda, that
you are kind of the true heart of the show.
But then that is merely the stage on which you
kind of performed and killed it and like and so
watching I've just it makes me smile every time we
go through one of these episodes, especially when I get
(23:40):
stuff with you and I see little me, you know,
so doing whatever I'm doing, I have a lot of gags.
In the first season, I do a lot of comic
relief type silly stuff, which is great. But in one
of the episodes, and I can't remember which one they?
You know, I'm often I am sassing you or trying
to get my way, and you have clearly kind of
(24:02):
heard enough and are over it, but are still smiling
at me and sassing me back knowingly and still like
leading it, you know, as a parent, not letting.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Me get the best of you.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
But seeing all of that complexity and love in your
eyes as we watch the episode as like it makes
me smile every time.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Oh, that's great. I have to tell you guys something.
Do we have sixty seconds? Oh, he's giving the sign.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Well, on that note, we'll take a quick break and
then we'll have sixty seconds to tell us whatever.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I'll tell us.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Hi, everyone, we're back. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I was just about to tell I had a realization
sitting here between you wonderful offspring, that the irony we're
talking about Annie's effect as a mother, and that I,
as an actress, you know, played it well. But I'm
(25:07):
looking at these three of Annie's children and I have
to say, oh, we have camera now, I'm they're now
incredible incredible parents themselves. I mean, Beverly has three kids,
David has two, McKenzie has one, and they are actively
involved in sweating out the toil of parenthood and they're
(25:33):
just doing it so well. I can see that their
children's faces in pictures and you know, their happy children.
So I find it. I don't know if it's if
doing the show had a bit of influence or they're
just naturally good parents, but they are nailing it as
mothers and fathers.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Well.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
There's because Seventh Heaven and our I mean, we grew
up together, We grew up in this space. I think
that there obviously there was a lot of lessons and
a lot of passion and.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, I mean I think we had a lot of
people on set too, who who really set an example
about what it was to be a good guardian and
to nurture. I mean, we were nurtured by so many
people really well when we were you know, yes, by
our studio teachers, by by the hair and makeup people,
by you know that we could confide in every morning wardrobe.
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They were by their wardrobe. Like it was sort of
a village of an extended family. I used to say
that I had about one hundred aunts and uncles, and
those were the people that built us up. Those were
the people that you know, would say, you know, you're
you're smart, you know you've done a good job.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I've never thought of that. But it's also it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
And I also think you feel that.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
David I did. Yeah, I always felt like and I
took I was. I mean, I grew up on set
and my parents always imparted to me that you always
treat the crew like you would treat the most famous
person on set. You don't, you don't differentiate between cast
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and crew. Everyone's there working together and so like. But
where that sank in and became the kind of the
thing that I carried on in my career was was
on our set where you know, we when I think
back on the set fondly, it's it's not of just
it's not us, it's us plus you know, and so
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all of those faces.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
It's more important.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Yeah, we all did.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
It together and that includes all the departments and and everybody.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That's why I like, I got over those So. I
know a lot of actors don't like to watch themselves
and then you know, and I was that way for
a very long time, but then I realized it was
extremely narcissistic. Yeah, because it's not like I'm just watching myself.
I'm watching the lighting. I'm watching the wardrobe and watching
the makeup and watching everything, and so yeah, I can
get over myself and suffer through the agony of seeing
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my face on screens from time to time because I
want to see the whole picture.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
That's why she's brilliant performance.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I also think that what the gift of growing up
on set was is like we had very specific relationships
with each of our like of all with everybody. So
there might be one person who really wanted to nurture
our you know, if we.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
If they loved dog ice cream, but you had.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
So we had all of these different relationships that we
could focus on. And like I remember someone teaching me
how to knit, and so I learned how to on set.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I learned.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
My connection with science Bob and learning about that. And
then Cheryl, like we had deep I had depth, depth, deep,
really deep conversations about religion because she was Jewish and
I I was exploring my Christianity and wanting to know
the difference. And so all of a sudden, it's not
just about your crew, It's about these very very personal,
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deep relationships with these people that you have for eleven years.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
So we were able to explore so much.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Of who we were or learn about other people in
this very tight reat of that.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
I have to confess I glump on one image of
little David. You know, I felt or looked at being
trapped and wanting to play basketball at break time and
being told he can't, and what did they take it away?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It was something so sad, and I thought, oh my.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
God, because it's because you're getting so sweaty.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
So for a while, I'm and I'll reiterate that I'm
very unathletic. But the crew guys, a couple of the
grips and electricians and stuff, woul to hoop outside by
the ramp and they would go play like half court
basketball and stuff at lunch, and I would like speed
eat my lunch as fast as I could so I
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could run over there and like be like, can I play.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
With you guys?
Speaker 8 (30:13):
And they were always cool and let me play and
like give me the let me have the ball, and
let me take shot. Like I kind of now know
that they were like accommodating me as not only is
the kid who can't get hurt as the actor on
the set, but also as like you know, a ten
year old. They were trying to have a real half
court basketball game in twenty minutes, and so they let
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me play with them.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
For a while. I played with them for a week
or two, and then and then i'd go back to.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Rehearsal just red face this sweat, and I'd be all wet,
you know, and they'd be like and then they'd be
drying my hair and having to like get me reready
and stuff. And I loved it because I felt cool
playing basketball with the crew guys. And they then they
told me, like, I can't do that anymore because I
might get hurt, and for all of these valid excuses reasons,
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but really it was like, you're wasting our time.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I was upset about it, for sure. And at the time,
I was like it's not fair, you know, like we
we all have to go back and get ready after
lunch anyway, and like what's the big deal, and.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
I won't get hurt. I could play basketball, you know.
But I think I.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Wonder what they do, I mean, do some kids.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Get up when they started playing hacky Sack?
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (31:26):
Because I got upset, then nobody was able to play basketball.
And so then we started playing hacky Sack, which like
solved that you're gonna get hurt problem, but not the
sweaty problem.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I remember.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
And we got really good at Hacky Sack too, which
I don't know is something you brag about, but it
was fun.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I remember Hacky Sack.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah, And I think that's what was so cool, was like,
I mean, god, it's it's been so much fun because
a lot of these memories, like I don't think about,
but I think about like Darryl, and I think about Adam,
and I think about all of these historic and I
think about like all.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Of these people who meant so much less.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And what has been incredible is we've had actually had
a few crew come on with us, and what's been.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Another testimony to what our show.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
The magic of our show is everyone said when they
talk about the sets that they worked on, the ones
that were the most special, and they felt that they
had a presence and they had a like they felt
a part of it was our show and the way
we treated like SHAWNA said, you know, happy had a trailer.
No one treated a dog and their trainer with giving
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them a trailer and giving them that space and like
treating them so which it's not normal. And then even Cheryl,
our teacher, was saying, like we each had our own
trailer and we had our own space to create our
learning environment that was also not normal, like normally you
just cram all the kids in the room. They all
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have to have the same teach sure, they're all in
different grades. So we really had a very unique and
very special space that.
Speaker 8 (33:10):
We did.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah, exactly know.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
We had no idea and it's but it's amazing to
also hear that as special as seventh Penn was to us,
was just as special for the crew members who.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Were This is why I think Brenda it would be
really nice for her to hear I think too, Yeah
as well, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
This is your revelation about how how everyone chipped into
making it, you know, a loving environment.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
The crew.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
I mean, I respect the crew for what they do
and I miss them. I miss the guys and the ladies. Uh,
but I never realized how they enhanced your childhoods and.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
A huge way. We'll take a quick break right here
and we'll be right back.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
We're back, everybody, We're back.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Catherine, thanks for coming back to hang out with us.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Thank you. I love you all so much.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
What were we talking about?
Speaker 8 (34:13):
We were just talking about while we were gone that
in the in the wardrobe department they had we had
a little we did one of those things on the
doorframe where they they had our heights over the years,
and of course by the end we had it was
along the what you know, it.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Was probably like a mold, a strip of mold.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
They it was like it was the doorframe in the
in the wardrobe room where where we did our fittings,
that doorframe for the little closet.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
We would change it. That's where it was, right.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, I wonder who has it though.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Oh, I don't know if anyone would kept. They probably
painted over. So if you go to that building and
scratch the paint, is that.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Building still there?
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Though I thought it was the building. Yeah, I think
the building.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Still where the trail how much we had road trip,
we know that there was when people overwhelmed with this
feeling of seeing you guys and then talking about the
memories and you it all comes to life, and we
were together so much. It's helping me not ever, it
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help helps me savor so much the keys.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
What's incredible about us.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
All like kind of being together and like like it's
such a foundation of who we are and like it
wasn't just a show.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
This was not just a show.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
We all loved each other.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
This is remember when it came time to act for Christmas,
you know around the tree, it's literally I think that's
what acting is supposed to be, where you're not doing anything.
When we say I love you, it was just the
people we were talking to. It was each other. It
wasn't Lucy or.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
The best Christmas parties, though had some great, great parties.
The only person who couldn't party was also one that's.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
True Christmas dinner.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
They were the heroes there.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
Man, You when when you'd get there in the morning,
we had it. We had a catering truck, were out
back by the ramp. Okay, you're gonna hear about the
ramp a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
My favorite ramp is iconic to.
Speaker 8 (36:23):
Me is it is the when I remember when I
think of set, I think of the ramp. You would
go from the trailers up this this big like a
loading ramp for a you know, a factory in cements
into yeah, solid cement ramp that we had in the back,
and that would lead you up into the stage. But
then off the ramp is where we had our ar
catering truck and our caterers were Alesio and One, and
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you would get there in the morning and you try
to get there like five minutes earlier than you needed
to be, so you could run over to the catering
truck and they'd make you whatever you wanted.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
Whatever you wanted for breakfast.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
I'd be like, I want, yeah, pancakes and breakfast burritos
and waffles, and they.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Just fresh toast, good bacon and sour cream or something
and what was yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
I mean, I just remember they were just like there
was a little breakfast menu that would change like that.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
You know, we didn't have the same menu every day.
It was they would mix it up all the time.
Speaker 8 (37:21):
But literally they were just like, what do you want?
Speaker 3 (37:25):
You ordered toast, but it's always like actually Texas toast,
and as I remember it, and I just pretend that
it didn't have butter on it because I never ordered
the butter on it.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
But like, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 8 (37:37):
Though, I think I'm pretty sure that they made everybody
whatever they wanted to that it wasn't like a special
thing they did for us as the kids or the cast.
Like I'm pretty sure there was everybody could just get
their favorite breakfast.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
But I also think what was amazing too is like
they knew like they knew our orders, they knew our
like our little nuances of what we liked, and.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
They just always took such great care.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
And again I think that that's what was magical about
our show, is like there was so much care involved,
like and there was so much personalization and those personal relationships,
so like we each had our personal relationships with one
on Elisia like.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
They they were definitely the real MVPs.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
For mac anything food oriented.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Was there like.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Amazing of little Mackenzie's moments. This this lady was six
years old, but she joined and she was a bit
of Shirley Temple with the cute hair, and she'd be
put on tables and she'd dance and she was like
this sweet creature and you had just this light and
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her like she is you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Not just Shirley Temple.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
No, no, no, it's Mackenzie because beneath that are the
brown eyes. So there's a bit of wisdom and uh
knowing us and like, don't make me a trick pony.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
I am an accurate and we're going through and I'll
say this and I was gonna say it later for
other things, but I'll say it again later. But but
watching back, and I know that Mac and I were
like a team out the gate.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
We did.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
We did all our early cute, all of our cute
b storyline stuff with me and Mac getting into trouble,
so our chicken pox and are getting lost together, and
our bunk beds and you know, all all of that
stuff and your stuffed animals and Hueye and and all
all that great stuff we did. But I'm just watching
through this stuff now, and I'm watching you just outshine me,
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like constantly, constantly taking the moment and being like the cute,
unbelievably cute and nailing like the the humor and the
timing and stuff.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
It's it's been.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
But that's what I was gonna say, the dry humor.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
The magic, the magic of Mac was that you didn't
play up the cute cards that she was.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
That was what was always great about It was always.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Very understated, and you were so much wiser than your age,
and so where most actors would be like, it's so cute, Will,
That's what.
Speaker 9 (40:17):
I'm busy doing you the beginning, And that's what's so
charming is like you're always like.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Everything was actually most often throwaways, and the magic of
the throwaway was because it was understated, You're just like.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's so.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
It was so different than what you were used to
seeing on television because you.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
The balance isness.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
But but that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Great, though, is you guys were the perfect balance.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
You guys fed off each other in such a magical way.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You never performative.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
I don't believe beginning I'm watching from my eyes watching
in the beginning, I'm seeing no. Yeah, I don't think
that we've gotten to the point in the show where
I found my stride sly but like, but all of
the cute, like the cute jokes that are written for me,
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you could see the awareness of the joke in me, yes,
and not in mac And and that's not so the
detriment of it. That's what makes Max moments like hit
and you put the button on so many of our
little like vignettes that we do, our little gags. And
I've been like I was, you know the other night
(41:39):
when Sean and I were watching through some of the episodes,
and I was like, she did it again, she did
it again. Look, she stole it, and I was like,
but I'm proud of you and I love it, you know,
It's like.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
I'm not mad about it. It's awesome.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Well, and I think that's also the magic of all
of us, like it was, there was never like no
one was ever trying to steal anything from any one.
It's so like it's we all compliment each other, complimented
each other so well, and you can see our performances growing.
I can also see as we're diving deeper into the show,
we're seeing like the growth in those relationships and the
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trust in those scenes. You know, obviously some scenes are
better than others, mostly speaking on behalf of myself because
I'm like, well, those were poor choices, but you can
also see it's me growing as an actor and trying
to learn and find that comfort space and trying to find.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
One thing that space.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Stephen and I would talk about it was a great
acting lesson because.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
A series of Ford's an actor.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
A great opportunitunity to learn how to relax, which is
the goal of any acting exercise, be it you know, yes,
from actors studio to any of them. So instead of breathing,
like Lee Strasburg says, and really having to work up
because as you're doing a three month project, you know,
or a six month play. We had the we were
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relaxed after certainly after I don't know how many months,
maybe the first year.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
And so the work is really good.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Because it's there's no nerves, there's no self conscious you're.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Just in it.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
But even then, sometimes I guess my worst trait would
be I feel myself acting and that would feel like
a good take. Stephen really had that, and we would
help each other because when he was his best, he
wasn't acting. And then we'd say cut and he'd go,
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that was terrible. I want to do it and again,
and I'd say, no, you weren't, don't do it.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
So you know, you weren't doing anything, and that's why
it was good.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
That's the most elusive part of acting. To do nothing.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
It takes something. You spend your whole career trying to
figure that out.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Well, we we had Hannah on a Lie and they're like, well,
we you know, we want to learn how to act,
and like the key to acting is not acting and
and and but it's it's it's so easy to say,
but so difficult to master because I think that that
is the most. It's again, it's it's so easy.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Well, you want to sell, you want to you want
to sell what you're saying. You know, you have to trust.
Of course, single camera film is different than television, right,
you can be bigger on television, I think, but the
big screen.
Speaker 8 (44:34):
I mean, you know, yeah, film it it it you
dial it in for film.
Speaker 6 (44:39):
It's it's more important in film.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
And then in the theater it's everything is exaggerated and
has to be bigger.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
So it is like.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Because you're performing for the back row exactly, and you're
and you need to make sure that they can feel
that emotion and they can hear that emotion.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
And then my husband and they all say it about
Robert de Niro, but Kevin saw it firsthand. He did
the fan with him, and he said literally, and Kevin
knows a lot about acting and everything. He's a drama major.
He said, literally, when they're going action, you're just thinking.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
What was he not? What you know?
Speaker 5 (45:12):
It's like alarming, alarmingly, like are you phoning this whole
movie in?
Speaker 1 (45:17):
And then you go to dailies and it's all there.
A good film actor.
Speaker 8 (45:21):
Yes, knows I've also to do for the camera Yeah,
I've also been on sets and this is how and
I learned. I learned this kind of later on accident,
because I was on a set one time. One of
the sets that I was on and the lead that
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there was like murmurs on the set about how the
lead was like phoning it in. They sucked, they weren't like,
they weren't given it. The producers were upset. No one
knew how to like get anything out of them, so
boring or bland or blah blah blah. And you watch
the project and you're like, the the best part of
the project, and it just it all comes out in
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the camera. You're not performing for the room, you're in
the c Yeah, it's it's all how how the camera
sees you. And that that quiet confidence matters on the
bigger screen a lot more. But but I always thought
about it like performing, performing is about lying. Acting is
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about telling the truth. Wow, and so like so when
when you're if you're performing, you're doing the wrong thing,
you know. And so there's and that's why in theater
it's different because theater is more about performing given the
nature the stage and the audience. But but for film
and television, you're supposed to act, and acting is about
finding the truth in on the page and not not lying,
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not being someone else, finding out how to be yourself
in it, you know, to be uh genuine.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yeah. Yeah, And it's it's more challenging than it sounds.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
It is.
Speaker 6 (47:00):
Yeah, it's a trick.
Speaker 8 (47:01):
It's a it's a trick of the trade that you
have to it's a muscle that you have to train and.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
You have to prepare for it. You sort of have to.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
The method is where you pick things in your real life.
Speaker 8 (47:12):
And I always found so much joy in over the
course of my career in figuring that out.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
Like the journey of learning all of this was always
fun for me.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Miss John was he big?
Speaker 6 (47:25):
He was big.
Speaker 8 (47:26):
I mean I my memories, yeah, My my memories of
him are are more impressions of how he treated me
and and how and how I saw him treat everybody
on set.
Speaker 6 (47:39):
John. The thing that.
Speaker 8 (47:41):
About John that that was so impressionable on me was
that he I saw him joke and be kind and
gentle and and like hand on the shoulder talking to
Crewe and to to everybody on set. He said good
morning to everybody. He was just a darling to everyone
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on stage, everyone gushed about everyone who worked with them
loved him. But then years later I went to one
of his film premieres and uh, and I had gotten
to see him at the after party of the film
and things.
Speaker 6 (48:14):
I wanted to just be like, hey, John, remember.
Speaker 8 (48:16):
Me, like we did these movies together and it's good
to see you and whoever, and he's like, how's Vin Sinelena?
And he and he asked me how my parents were
by name, like instantly, and he went and I was
just taken by the fact that like he remembered me,
and he remembered my family, and that he remembered that
he he had a place.
Speaker 6 (48:36):
In his heart for everyone he worked with like that.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
Like that impressionat was was I was like, I want
to be remembered by I want sets to remember me
like that. And so that that was the impression that
he gave me.
Speaker 6 (48:50):
That lasted.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
That's so neat. Well I'm out of here.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Well, thank you, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
I have nothing more to say except I don't okay
so much.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well, thank you for joining it.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I have to pick.
Speaker 9 (49:10):
This.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
Can I share one thing I'm so humiliated about the
last time we did our first convention.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
It was.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
It was like Nirvana just being together. It had been
two decades or something. And then the second one.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
It was was great too. Uh.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
The truth when we were filming Seventh Heaven, I was
so guilt written I had a four year old that
all I said. I was not nice to the kids.
At first this great, you know, Annie Camden. They're saying
I acted, but in reality, I was like, I got
to pick Katie up from school. I gotta go bye bye,
I gotta get so then I proceed to in the
last I'm still texting them about Katie.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
But I was just doing it to share with them.
Speaker 5 (49:52):
But then I realized, oh no, They're like, it's still
avo Katie.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
We're so into our own shoulder and that's natural. That's yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Way we love Katie and Katie's part of the family.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
And also, by the.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Way, about kids, we want to hear about yours.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Anyway, it's just a funny twist.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
But and by the way, we love Katie.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah, well whatever, so.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
We're going to have Katie on to share her perspective.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
Yeah Katie, Okay, Well, it was nice to see you all.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I love you, love you, Catherine, we love you.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Were getting married, so potentially Okay, yes, eventually when I
get around that. That is the wedding planner type. I
am not so it might happen. Be will plan my
wedding when she.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Gets around it.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
But then we're going Nataly.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah, okay, and that's where we went.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
I haven't forgotten main Street little uh eat real shake.
Speaker 8 (50:57):
At sometime whenever you're in my next of the woods, Catherine,
you let me know.
Speaker 6 (51:02):
We'll go somewhere.
Speaker 5 (51:03):
And our real mother is she was the mother all along,
even when absolutely and that's a compliment.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
All right, I'm out of yurcan Katie.
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