July 5, 2022 • 33 mins
Now that Michael knows the basics of Formula 1, it’s time to get into the teams. On the first episode of this two-parter, Lily and Michael learn all about the eight-time World Constructors’ Champion Mercedes.
After spending the better part of the 2010s and the very early 2020s dominating the sport, Mercedes has hit a bit of a rough patch. But before they get to that, the pair will talk about the team’s early tragic history in Formula 1 and the guy at the head of the program whom the masses call Daddy Toto.
Special thanks to our guests: Jennie Gow, and Toni Cowan Brown.
This episode was produced by Lily Herman and Senior Producer Yochai Maital. Sound Design by Yochai Maital. Mastering by Sela Waisblum. Recording at The Cutting Room Studios by Rob O'Leary II. At SI Studios, Max Miller is Executive Producer and Brannan Goetschius is Head of Audio. At iHeartRadio, Sean Titone is Executive Producer.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, Uh Michael. Yes, when I say, when I
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say the word Mercedes, what comes to mind? Well, probably
the first thing comes to mind is when I was
a kid in an arbor, Michigan, we used to go
to the University of Michigan basketball games and we would
go out to the parking lot and try to steal
hood ornaments off the cars. Right. Terrible, like absolutely, you know,
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terrible thing to do. But what the ones you always
wanted were the Mercedes. Right. So I don't know what
that says about me, my family and my upbringing, but
maybe it says something about the brand, just for listeners
to know. I have a Mercedes hat on today. I
spent way too much money on it because all F
one merch costs in our mental leg I mean, can
somebody a F one throw Lily a couple of hats?
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Why is she buying her own hat? Absolutely? And I
think what we're getting out of this is that if
someone from Mercedes, just like the corporation in general, is listening,
we would like hood ornaments, vintage food ornaments in our possession.
It's a conic logo that's been around for years and
people recognize and and believe it means driving, elegance performance.
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Probably all the words of their marketing team has spent
billions of dollars beating into my head for fifty years.
I'm sure they're really happy to hear that. But then's
all it's all not been been for, not that a
singular person can can recall on a podcast. So today
on the podcast, this is part one of our two
episodes look into the Mercedes Formula One team. They have
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been one of the most dominant teams in a recent
memory and maybe ever, and there's plenty to say about
what's going on with them. Now let's hit it. From
I Heart Radio and Sports Illustrated Studios, this is Choosing
sides one. Wow, So Mercedes has been in F one
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in the modern era since however, they have obviously been
doing car things for like a lot longer than that.
So we're gonna go all the way back to the
nineteen thirties, Ben Mercedes was racing cars out there like
everyone else. There was actually something in the thirties in
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Europe called the European Championships, which is one of the
kind of precursors to F one, and the team actually
won three titles during that time. Obviously, the European Championships
took a back seat to a little thing called World
War two, and uh, and then when F one finally
got up and running in the fifties, Uh, Mercedes actually
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won two World Drivers titles in a row in nineteen
fifty four and nineteen fifty five. So everything's looking peach swell.
They're doing great until uh, the year's nineteen fifty five
and there is an endurance race that's really iconic called
the twenty four Hours of Laman Mercedes is in US race,
and something to keep in mind is that UM safety
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and spectator protocols are not what they are like today.
So you have people in this race, these spectators who
are literally almost up against the literal race track, cheering
for their teams. They're separated by some like makeshift wooden
fences or like some hay bales. But it's really very
pretty like I know where this is going. Yeah, there's
basically a multi car pile up and crash has asked
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US trikes at a hundred and twenty five Mercedes collides
and blows up one of the drivers involved with a
Mercedes driver. This crash sends massive pieces of debris from
these cars into the spectator areas. In a few ghostly seconds,
death wipes out whole families, leave, is killed before his lips, eyes,
and some seventies spectators with him among the bodies. Frantic
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survivors seek their friends, skulls cracking blood. The Mecedes was
made partly of magnesium man i, which blazes micaphurnace. Yeah,
it's violent. Eight three spectators and dying. Another hundred eight
people are injured, and this is still one of the
most catastrophic disasters in motorsports history. Goes on. Keep in
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mind it was very normal for like two drivers a
year to die in f one like in the sixties
for instance, Like like these this is just part for
the course. But yeah, the size and scope of this,
and obviously combined with like some of the photographs that
have survived, it's a pretty gnarly looking kind of blur
of black and white photos. Is the nineteen fifty five.
It's the first thing that shows up when you put
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in nineteen all right, so images there's everyone running to
their cars for the start, little did they know. And
here's a picture that looks like it could be a
World War scene. Yeah, it's fire people screaming. Yeah, and
there's a whole bunch of bodies laying on the ground. Wow. Yeah,
So it does lead to some some big questions and
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answers around yeah, spectator safety, just general sports safety. For
Mercedes obviously, on top of the fact that their driver
died in this very tragic, very violent and very public way.
It's understandably, you know, marketing and pr nightmare right to
say we are the height of luxury and class and
this and that, and now we're responsible for this terrible,
awful thing that happened. So Mercedes decides to nope, on
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out of there. They're saying, we are piecing out of
motorsports entirely, not not just kind of Formula one with
like everything, we are outie for the time being. And uh.
They end up leaving for over thirty years and do
not enter any form of motor sports racing until Okay,
it's that dramatic change for them exactly. Yeah, skip to
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they decide they are going to also start getting back
into Formula One, so they do not enter a team,
though they do not try and build a team. Instead,
they start supplying engines to certain teams that want them.
Because Mercedes engines are highly coveted. They're they're really, you know,
world renowned, and I think they also just like the
idea of getting back into that aspect of R and D.
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I will also mention an F one they often call
engines quote unquote power units. To hear that word, we
call it a power unit, by the way, not an engine,
because the power unit is so much more than an engine.
So that's Formula one journalist Tony Cowen Brown. That's one
of the reasons why so few O e M s
go into Formula one. What O E M s so
original equipment manufacturers and against the engine is so complex
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today and I won't even pretend that I can understand
all the parts involved there. But there are two types
of teams in Formula one. Every Formula one team out
of the ten teams is a constructor team, but not
all teams works team. And what I mean by that
is a constructor team, or what they call a customer team,
is a team that essentially builds their car, but they
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will purchase their engine and some other parts from another
team because at a minimum, as the f I states,
which is the governing body, at a minimum, these teams
must build their own car it's what we call the chassis.
It's interesting to look at the grid right now, where
you have Mercedes, who is time constructor champion, who is
a works team that builds their car and their engine
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and sells their units. One of their customer teams is Williams,
who is all the way at the back of the grid.
So it's a nice explanation of there is more to
it than just car or driver because essentially Williams and
Mercedes are driving with the same power unit with the
same engine. Okay, interesting, yeah, Okay. To get to Mercedes,
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we have to talk about two other teams that are
no longer on the grid. But this is also one
of the great Cinderella stories of Formula one. So this
is the story, the tale, if you will, of bron GP.
So bron GP, Yes, strap in get ready. The year
now is two thousand and eight. We are balls deep
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in a global recession. Everything's going to ship. Michael's coaching
tennis at the University of Michigan. Just bought his house
for two dollars, which he will sell in ten years
for less money than he bought it for. Lily is
much younger um and is listening to Paramore song Misery
Business two years after it has come out. I'll repeat
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because she is an emo child teen I'm a teen
like myself that I'm a teen at this point. But
the long and short of it is the recession. No
one's happy, no one's money if one is still racing.
I mean, yeah, you would just think at a time
like that, when the housing markets are crashing, that Formula
one seems even more gratuitous. Yes, exactly, exactly. So. Our
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first main character in the story is Honda. But at
this point they've had a team for for a couple
of seasons in the mid to late auts and things
are not going well. They are you know, like, you know, eighth,
ninth place, what's called P eight, P nine in the
championship out of you know, ten eleven whatever teams. They're
really not not doing so hot. And um, Honda says,
l O l j K. We are pulling out of
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two thousand nine. We're sorry to say that seven people
are about to lose their jobs amid the holiday season,
and um, OOPSI daisy, you know, it's just a real
real clusterfuck. Um. And so at the last second, we're
like the pretty much almost literal eleventh hour, this guy
named Ross Braun, he is the team principal of the
Haunted Team. He and the CEO, they say, hey, would
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you be willing to let us buy you out keep
the team? You know, keep, let everyone keep their jobs
and you know, we'll kind of handle financing for next
season for the most part, but we just want to
make sure we save the team. Don't let this all
kind of go to waste over this little thing again
called a global economic crisis. So Honda ends up saying yes,
and Ross Broun, technically on the documents buys a Formula
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one team for one pound. Yeah. Great, They kind of
just they have to do some type of business transaction
and they do that. They pund a one pound buy
out of this of this team. And as if things
were not already weird enough. Uh, we talked on our
intro episode about how F one comes out with new
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regulations every couple of years to increase competitiveness and and
help with safety and all that. New regular lations were
starting with the beginning of the two thousand nine season.
So this team now has a new kind of ownership. Uh,
they have new regulations, they have less money to start
out with, and they did or under normal circumstances. Most
even the quote unquote poorer teams on the grid have
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you know, mit five million for the most part. Uh,
if you're a driver on this team, you're like this sucks. Yeah,
You're like, what the And by the way, I'm pretty
certain growing up we had a Honda lawnmower. Just think
about that. I don't think we had a Mercedes Lawmore.
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I don't know if Mercedes would make a lawnmore, it
would be incredibly expensive, but it probably very sleek and
very trendy. Yeah, you know it is. It is interesting
to think of Honda in this premier racing league when
really they probably made the nuts and bolts of their business.
Is like the Honda Civic, maybe the Accord, maybe my lawnmower.
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I don't know. Yeah, I'll explain the why this happened
a second. But to get to the season, the first
race comes around. The two drivers we have are these guys.
There's Jensen Button, who's sort of this I don't want
to say, almost playboy but kind of party boy British
guy Button and Uh and his teammate Rubens Barrichello, who
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is most known for being the longtime teammate of Michael Schumacher,
legendary if one driver at Ferrari, and they are one
of the longest and most successful partnerships in F one history.
So so you've got Rubens, You've got Jensen. They are
kind of they were already signed to the team when
they were with Honda's. They're just kind of yoloing this
whole thing, like like they're in it for like the
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ride to they have no idea what's gonna happen when
no one knows who's gonna happen. There's not high hopes
for bron g P when they start, you know, the
qualifying session and um buns on that first to finish.
They end up going one two in the first race
of the season. What that's amazing, sensational, sensation fantastic, And
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then Jensen Button ends up winning six of the first
seven races. Oh you have thank you, thank you, So
Jensen Button in bron GYP wins the Ribber's Championship, braun
g P walks await the Constructor's title. Fantastic. They are
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on top of the world, and so of course thing
you're probably wondering what the hell happened, Like how did
they pull that off? Were they cheating? No, but they
were doing the classic F one thing of barely not cheating,
um and cheating. That should be the name of someone's memoir.
It's definitely like the subtitle of F one. It's like
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Formula one colin barely not cheating. So essentially, the very
smart people at the Honda Brawn GP whatever you want
to call it factory are reading through these new regulations
and basically within the engine there's something called a diffuser,
and that we can go into forever about what it does.
It would just take forever. But essentially what they do
is they're supposed to make the diffuser smaller, and what
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they end up doing is almost splitting it into and
creating what's called now a double diffuser. So they find
this loophole, this very specific loophole, and exploit it to
do something funky to this diffuser. So when they innovate
their car, obviously there's great effort put into keeping that
a secret from the other teams. Yes, it's such an
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interesting dance between we want you to innovate, but don't
be so good that we'll then have to write exactly
interesting history. Where are they now? A good question. We'll
get into more of the team history after this break.
So we find get to the part of the story
where Mercedes comes back into the picture. Here, like two
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thousand's it's around the same time Mercedes is looking at
potentially entering Formula one. For any any kind of organization
that wants to enter something like Formula one, you have
a couple of options. So one, you could spend untold
amounts of money and resources building a team from scratch, right,
developing a car from scratch, building a factory and all
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of that infrastructure from scratch, which is just Yeah, I
think even the most egotistical of billionaires are not that
egotistical to where they're too much work too like even
just like you know, get the central hub where training
is too much work exactly like buy a ship team
and try to exactly So Mercedes goes the route that
a lot of you know, up upstarted teams. Do they
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buy an existing team? Which team do they buy? Bron
GP coming out of this very exciting season. Yeah, Well,
first of all, I have to say this is a
great day for us obviously to start a new season
with Mersey to Spence Grand Prix team with an own
Formula one team? Is something really special for us? This
must have been enormous when Mercedes got back in to motorsport.
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Is this their debut into Formula one since the crash? Yes,
this was huge news. Here's why it's even bigger. Okay,
Formula one fans around the world, Michael are very excited.
There you are. You can see the Mercedes Ben's logo
behind you. You're returning to Formula one. Tell us what
your emotions are like Mercedes Lands. Seven time world champion.
Michael Schumacher actually joined the team. Fantastic excitement after I
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got the call from from Ross in November providing a
silver arrow and I'm going to be able to sit
inside and and throw it around. I mean, that's really
great stuff. So Michael Schumacher had famously retired from F one,
made a big deal out of the retirement, and basically
in the ensuing years, Michael Schumacher is basically still at races,
like in the paddock and everyone's like, Michael, you've got
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to do something like he just misses it. He feels
it really wasn't his time or that he was kind
of not forced out, but people were like, you should
be ready to leave you've won seven of these things.
The singular focus that it takes to be at that level,
which I don't know about, like none of us know about.
But then when you just leave, you don't know how
to do anything else exactly. Don't even know how to
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sit and have breakfast with your wife. Man, all you
know how to do is just think about the race,
think about the engine, think about the team. Whatever it is.
They can't handle it. Yeah. So, so we're at the
new era Michael Schumacher. You know, his teammate is a
young guy named Nico Rossberg, whose dad Kick Rossberg one
with in Formula one decades prior. SOO got this fun,
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little very blond lineup going on at the new Mercedes,
and yeah, sure enough, the first couple of years a
little rocky, they do, you know, like like Michael Schumacher
has his worst I think three seasons ever and f
one right he ends up, you know, uh P eight,
P nine, I think P. Thirteen and Michael Jordan playing
for the Wizards similarly, yeah a little bit. Yeah, and
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have Nico Rosberg driving for them, Michael Schumacher driving for them. Okay,
big names in motorsport, but actually they weren't particularly successful.
So that was Jenny Gal She's a prominent of one
reporter for the BBC and other media outlets, and she
was featured as a commentator in Drive to Survive. So
year on year they were still looking for that winning
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formula and they were starting to accrue some of the
top personnel. They already had a lot on their books,
but then they started to poach others. So for example,
James Allison, one of the most successful technical directors in
Formula one, was poached from Ferrari and came across to Mercedes.
They just started to put in place the best team
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possible with Nicki Louder, their former F one driver and champion,
but passed away a couple of years ago. Toto Wolf
came on board. Who you know that between the two
of them ran Mercedes. So we're coming into which is
when all the rules changed and the engines became hybrid engine. Yes,
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they're all driving prius Is at this point, I would
love to see Lewis Hamilton's drive around in a Prius.
It's a little different. No, they're not. Basically, without getting
to two technical A big part of the regulations in
this turbo hybrid era come from the fact that Formula
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one had started receiving a ton of criticism for not
being particularly environmentally sustainable. So huge part of this and
creating engines that run on both fuel as well electricity
is signaling to everyone that F one takes this seriously interestingly.
Over the course of the last decade. You know, these
cars are some of the most efficient when it comes
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to energy and power and fuel usage, and a lot
of that technology then is now what we see in
cars on the road as well. So just to give
you a little bit of comparison here, first, here's what
a twin thirteen Formula one engine sounded like. Okay, so
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let's listen. Then when this turbo hybrid era started, here's
what a twenty fourteen engine sounds like. Wow, that's very different.
And I would assume, if anything, the cars as equally,
if not faster, exactly. Yeah, So it's the whole idea is, yeah,
you're not losing performance, you're just making it more efficient
and environmentally friendly. It is odd that every time they
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change regulation it ultimately changes everything. I mean, even changing
the point after a touchdown back to the thirty yard line.
Whenever that took like thirty years of football for them
to go. Maybe it's just it's so much change is
so difficult to make, and it seems like Formula one
does it often. Maybe what would happen if football did
change the rules every year? Right? And I think that
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would be interesting. Yeah, I would personally just love to
see the other chaos. Take the helmets off. You want
to solve concussions. No more helmets because they're not going
to use their helmets as weapons anyways, normal pads just like,
go back to the old school leather helmets and uh yeah,
no forward passing. You know, why not make it a
two hundred yard field. See what happens? Multiple footballs exactly
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completely deflated, no no no air in them to speak up,
just like this weird pigskin thing, which just kind of yeah,
there you go. Something else to note. A big announcement
is made and Mercedes is bringing in a new driver
and it is a young man named Lewis Hamilton's. Everyone
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thought he was crazy to go across the Mercedes at
the time because they weren't a championship contender of a team.
People thought he was nuts for leaving McLaren, a historic
team that had been around for decades to go to
this weird new shop at Mercedes that had been sprung
out of this weird brawn GP sitch. So see us.
Everyone was sort of confused, surprised, already saying you, yeah,
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he just left up his career. I won't go too
much into Lewis's background because he is the star, or
one of the two stars of our next episode all
about the Mercedes drivers. So Mercedes started winning championships in
Ladies and Gentlemen, two Formula One World champion and from
that point on it won every championship. Every year, Mercedes
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are the champions again. Of course, with that result, the
teams won the Constructors Championship for third consecutive year. Who
would have ever thought a few years ago that we
would be able to hold the celebration with a fifth
consecutive double championship title, getting their lewishadron seven times, seven times,
eight consecutive Constructors World Championships until well, let's see what
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happens this year. Yeah. So that's that's Mercedes overall to
present day. So they were excellent, had an enormous crash,
stayed out of the sport for thirty years, came back
in through an odd acquirement of basically Honda's team at
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a third of the price, made some changes, brought in
Lewis Hamilton's and has dominated exactly. Yeah, it's a very
successful manufacturer. It provides some of the engines for the
other teams as well. Um and it attracts some of
the biggest players in Formula One when it comes to drivers, sponsorship, marketing,
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all of the deals that go around because of its success.
It so current present day. So we have these new
legs two, and very early on it became pretty apparent
that Mercedes car was not looking as hot going into
They have an issue that is called porpoising, and the
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issue is basically that aerodynamically, if they're going very fast,
especially in a straight line, the cars bounce up and
down very quickly because it's just not aerodynamically sound bouncing
up and down. I know this, let's listening, still bouncing
a lot. You hear the skipping of the floor. I
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mean that that doesn't doesn't control. Did they think about
putting bags of kitty litter in the trunk or something,
because that's what you do in Michigan when it's icy up. Yeah,
I'm sure that cross the vines yes, that was very scientific.
So yeah, so so Mercedes is at a weird point
where they're not doing horrifically badly. They're just not the
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dominant force. You know, there was a season where they,
you know, one of their two drivers one nineteen of
the races in a season kind of things. You go
from that too, You're it's like a little bouncy house
down a track, you know, it feels like a little
bit more of a fall. But this is also what's
interesting about sport. I mean, Mercedes was out for a
two years. They didn't have to worry about this ship.
Once you enter, you now have to win, you know.
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And so they won for a while, but you can't
keep winning all the times. They pay the other teams
too to be competitive. So yeah, yeah, well, Johan I
were trying to think of a tagline for Mercedes. The
one that he came up with, which I think is
the best working one for now, is um, they're like
the team you you love to hate, right because they're
they're winning all the time. Is this the New York Yankees?
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The Formula One? Yeah, you know in yeah and this
turbo hybrid era. That is what Mercedes is. Their team
is so disciplined, so dominant. Obviously they probably get a
little cocky because they're used to just winning everything. They
have the best driver or one of the you know,
best drives of all time, that's Lewis Hamiltons Lewis Hamilton's. Yeah.
So so they're kind of been a weird spot where
they have. They're a little uncomfortable. They have not been
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around here in quite some time, and it's been pretty
apparent in interviews that they're two drivers are just yeah,
a little a little bit annoyed that know they're they're
they're struggling so much. Well, there is Peyton for you today.
Do you feel you maximized everything you could in the
cow given all the conditions today? I mean, personally, I
feel like I'm maximized everything. I don't know if we
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did as a team. Who's in charge of Mercedes? I mean,
who's making these calls they do? Please tell me that
the person has a name that sounds like a villain
and Disney. You are in luck. Oh my god. The
person is a man named Toto Wolf. Of course, his
names are outrageous, otherwise known as Daddy Toto. I promised
Daddy issues to too is Yeah, truly an icon of
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the sport. I'm gonna google, I'm gonna show you. I
brought pictures. Ready, this is Daddy Toto. Wolf's gonna describe
Toto for everyone. This is a handsome man. This is
a handsome man. Full head of hair. By the way,
everyone in Formula one has a full head of hair
thanks to a lot of a lot of cosmetic procedures.
Classic German picture of him standing in front of a
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snow capped mountain. And you know, I'm noticing with a
Formula one everyone looks and exudes wealth. There's a lot
of layers, there's nice watches. He's a billionaire, so I
hope he's wealth yes, you know, And I hate to
draw this comparison, but he looks like me. I'm just kidding, No,
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I mean, this is a This is a handsome looking dude.
He exudes confidence and wealth. He's six ft five. He's
very imposing in the world of Formula one. Being six
ft five, you might as well be a giant. Yeah,
and he works out. You can tell he works out. Yeah,
So yeah, that that's that's who they have. I work out,
so I can tell that he works out. You know
what I mean? Yes, so that that is Total Wolf
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to the Austrian team principle of the Mercedes of one team.
He is very large, very imposing. Total is kind of
known for yet being this kind of hyper efficient businessman. Um.
He's also very big on if if your ego is
getting in the way of the team, he will call
you out on it and has no problem being like,
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you're sucked up. You need to get over it, Like
go go in a corner and figure it out and
come back when you're ready to be a team player.
Like he's not messing around. Total, we'll put you in
check exactly. Yeah, I mean, funk, it's already hard enough
trying to drive these things that you got this guy
in your head. Yeah, he's a pretty intense guy. But
he also yeah, likes to keep things close to the vest,
and he's very calculated as to when he kind of
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lets those go rip, right, it's a it's a choice exactly. Yeah.
Like you never feel like he's being impulsive. So that's
that's Uh, that's Total Wolf. Alright, Total Nice to meet you, buddy.
He he looms large in uh and he's also I
think an easy person to love to hate too, because
he is imposing, not a guy where you you would
kind of casually like, ah, that's someone I'm going to
small talk with you. He's also there's nothing about him
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that says underdog. You know, he is the punching up.
It's Mercedes, it's wealth, it's the look, and uh, I
think I think I've got a grasp on that. Excellent.
We gotta do a quick break and then we'll be back.
So I guess overall, if I had to sum up,
you know, the hitch for Mercedes, you're sort of like, well,
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how do you pitch a team to anyone to to
root for? You know, why why am I buying this
fifty dollar hat for for a team that that is
dominated for close to a decade, right? Um, I think
there's a lot of good arguments. One, you know, they
aren't invincible, so we're seeing a little bit of their
their vulnerable side. So if you you're someone who maybe
wants a little bit of an underdog flavor without having
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to commit to like a true underdog at the back
of the grid, you know, Mercedes has that they do
have this wacky history with Brown g p uh Yokai.
What would what would you add to why Mercedes well,
I think if you want to make a safe bet,
Mercedes is like, you know, it's a safe bet. They
have the history, they have the drivers, They're definitely financed, Yeah,
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well financed. They they have the best engineers. You know,
some some people like to win. Like if you if
you like your team to win, are we going to
use you popping in like on the audio? I like
that first of all, thank you know, it gives another
It gives another layer. I always like in the producer's policy.
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I'd also say too that if if any team is
going to struggle but like figure their ship out, I'd
bet on Mercedes, you know. Whereas there other teams where
it's like, oh, their their car is not good this year,
like oh we're fucked for the entire year, like best
of luck to you, Whereas like Mercedes, I'm like, you know,
you had some people a couple of races in two already,
you know, ruling them out, and I'm like, you know,
there's a lot of races this there's almost two dozen
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races this season. I think they'll figure it out. There's
a good chance that Mercedes going to figure out whatever
the issue is and at least not be embarrassing for
the rest of the season. You know what I'm finding
interesting about this is so much of sport, it's kind
of determined who you're supposed to cheer for based on
where you're from. Yeah, what's interesting about Formula one. It's
such a mix of nationalities. You're essentially picking either the brand,
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like I love this brand so much, I want to
cheer for Mercedes or Williams and not Williams. But essentially
you're picking the personality of the either the principal or
the to dry Iver's. It lends itself to some heartache
because you know the drivers are gonna leave eventually, You're
gonna go everywhere. So it's it's interesting that, like, I
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get to pick a team, but that's also what everybody
gets to do, because it's not like, oh, shoot, I'm
from Detroit, I have to be a Lions fan, you know,
I get to actually decide what team I want to
I think I just described the whole podcast just now
hitting me in the head of what this is. Congratulations Welcome.
Episode two only took two full episodes to get part of.
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Unless Unless, I'll just say, unless you're Italian, okay, and
I don't know that is there. There's a clear Italian
team Ferrari. So I'll say this, I understand the the
compulsion of maybe finding a Mercedes team to support and love. Ah,
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I want something a little not as h for sure.
I want something a little more underdog. I don't need
my team principle to have a seven camera professional photo
shoot in front of a snow mountain. I want there
would be a little more grit. If that's so. And
I don't know anything about Louis Hamilton's or the other drivers.
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You have to have grit to be successful. But uh,
my initial take on Mercedes is a hate herbal team.
I don't need that elegant brand logo in my life. Personally.
You need you need to to have a little more
dirt on his face. He's too uh. I just it
feels a little too constructed. I think I might be right,
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I might be wrong. I don't know. And for for
any listener disagreeing with me, keep in mind, this is
the very first team principle I've ever met, so I
don't I can't really compare him to anyone else. You
didn't even know that was the word. So yeah, so
that's the that that's kind of a story and history
of Mercedes. Uh, that's that's where we're coming from, and
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we're using that information to set the scene for the
next episode. We're going to drive to drive. We're going
to dive into the two current drivers on this team.
You've got Lewis Hamilton's seven time world champion, considered a goat,
if not v goat of Formula one, greatest of all time.
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And then you have his new teammate as of this season,
George Russell, who is out here trying to prove himself
after a few funky, weird years on a not so
great team in the sport. So that will be the
next episode. I think we should be driving into each episode.
We're not diving. Really missed opportunity on my part. Wow,
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I you know, we should all just pack it up
and go home. I've completely missed the boat on that one.
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All right, Uh Michael. Yes, when I say, when I
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say the word Mercedes, what comes to mind? Well, probably
the first thing comes to mind is when I was
a kid in an arbor, Michigan, we used to go
to the University of Michigan basketball games and we would
go out to the parking lot and try to steal
hood ornaments off the cars. Right. Terrible, like absolutely, you know,
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terrible thing to do. But what the ones you always
wanted were the Mercedes. Right. So I don't know what
that says about me, my family and my upbringing, but
maybe it says something about the brand, just for listeners
to know. I have a Mercedes hat on today. I
spent way too much money on it because all F
one merch costs in our mental leg I mean, can
somebody a F one throw Lily a couple of hats?
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Why is she buying her own hat? Absolutely? And I
think what we're getting out of this is that if
someone from Mercedes, just like the corporation in general, is listening,
we would like hood ornaments, vintage food ornaments in our possession.
It's a conic logo that's been around for years and
people recognize and and believe it means driving, elegance performance.
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Probably all the words of their marketing team has spent
billions of dollars beating into my head for fifty years.
I'm sure they're really happy to hear that. But then's
all it's all not been been for, not that a
singular person can can recall on a podcast. So today
on the podcast, this is part one of our two
episodes look into the Mercedes Formula One team. They have
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been one of the most dominant teams in a recent
memory and maybe ever, and there's plenty to say about
what's going on with them. Now let's hit it. From
I Heart Radio and Sports Illustrated Studios, this is Choosing
sides one. Wow, So Mercedes has been in F one
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in the modern era since however, they have obviously been
doing car things for like a lot longer than that.
So we're gonna go all the way back to the
nineteen thirties, Ben Mercedes was racing cars out there like
everyone else. There was actually something in the thirties in
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Europe called the European Championships, which is one of the
kind of precursors to F one, and the team actually
won three titles during that time. Obviously, the European Championships
took a back seat to a little thing called World
War two, and uh, and then when F one finally
got up and running in the fifties, Uh, Mercedes actually
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won two World Drivers titles in a row in nineteen
fifty four and nineteen fifty five. So everything's looking peach swell.
They're doing great until uh, the year's nineteen fifty five
and there is an endurance race that's really iconic called
the twenty four Hours of Laman Mercedes is in US race,
and something to keep in mind is that UM safety
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and spectator protocols are not what they are like today.
So you have people in this race, these spectators who
are literally almost up against the literal race track, cheering
for their teams. They're separated by some like makeshift wooden
fences or like some hay bales. But it's really very
pretty like I know where this is going. Yeah, there's
basically a multi car pile up and crash has asked
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US trikes at a hundred and twenty five Mercedes collides
and blows up one of the drivers involved with a
Mercedes driver. This crash sends massive pieces of debris from
these cars into the spectator areas. In a few ghostly seconds,
death wipes out whole families, leave, is killed before his lips, eyes,
and some seventies spectators with him among the bodies. Frantic
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survivors seek their friends, skulls cracking blood. The Mecedes was
made partly of magnesium man i, which blazes micaphurnace. Yeah,
it's violent. Eight three spectators and dying. Another hundred eight
people are injured, and this is still one of the
most catastrophic disasters in motorsports history. Goes on. Keep in
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mind it was very normal for like two drivers a
year to die in f one like in the sixties
for instance, Like like these this is just part for
the course. But yeah, the size and scope of this,
and obviously combined with like some of the photographs that
have survived, it's a pretty gnarly looking kind of blur
of black and white photos. Is the nineteen fifty five.
It's the first thing that shows up when you put
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in nineteen all right, so images there's everyone running to
their cars for the start, little did they know. And
here's a picture that looks like it could be a
World War scene. Yeah, it's fire people screaming. Yeah, and
there's a whole bunch of bodies laying on the ground. Wow. Yeah,
So it does lead to some some big questions and
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answers around yeah, spectator safety, just general sports safety. For
Mercedes obviously, on top of the fact that their driver
died in this very tragic, very violent and very public way.
It's understandably, you know, marketing and pr nightmare right to
say we are the height of luxury and class and
this and that, and now we're responsible for this terrible,
awful thing that happened. So Mercedes decides to nope, on
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out of there. They're saying, we are piecing out of
motorsports entirely, not not just kind of Formula one with
like everything, we are outie for the time being. And uh.
They end up leaving for over thirty years and do
not enter any form of motor sports racing until Okay,
it's that dramatic change for them exactly. Yeah, skip to
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they decide they are going to also start getting back
into Formula One, so they do not enter a team,
though they do not try and build a team. Instead,
they start supplying engines to certain teams that want them.
Because Mercedes engines are highly coveted. They're they're really, you know,
world renowned, and I think they also just like the
idea of getting back into that aspect of R and D.
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I will also mention an F one they often call
engines quote unquote power units. To hear that word, we
call it a power unit, by the way, not an engine,
because the power unit is so much more than an engine.
So that's Formula one journalist Tony Cowen Brown. That's one
of the reasons why so few O e M s
go into Formula one. What O E M s so
original equipment manufacturers and against the engine is so complex
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today and I won't even pretend that I can understand
all the parts involved there. But there are two types
of teams in Formula one. Every Formula one team out
of the ten teams is a constructor team, but not
all teams works team. And what I mean by that
is a constructor team, or what they call a customer team,
is a team that essentially builds their car, but they
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will purchase their engine and some other parts from another
team because at a minimum, as the f I states,
which is the governing body, at a minimum, these teams
must build their own car it's what we call the chassis.
It's interesting to look at the grid right now, where
you have Mercedes, who is time constructor champion, who is
a works team that builds their car and their engine
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and sells their units. One of their customer teams is Williams,
who is all the way at the back of the grid.
So it's a nice explanation of there is more to
it than just car or driver because essentially Williams and
Mercedes are driving with the same power unit with the
same engine. Okay, interesting, yeah, Okay. To get to Mercedes,
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we have to talk about two other teams that are
no longer on the grid. But this is also one
of the great Cinderella stories of Formula one. So this
is the story, the tale, if you will, of bron GP.
So bron GP, Yes, strap in get ready. The year
now is two thousand and eight. We are balls deep
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in a global recession. Everything's going to ship. Michael's coaching
tennis at the University of Michigan. Just bought his house
for two dollars, which he will sell in ten years
for less money than he bought it for. Lily is
much younger um and is listening to Paramore song Misery
Business two years after it has come out. I'll repeat
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because she is an emo child teen I'm a teen
like myself that I'm a teen at this point. But
the long and short of it is the recession. No
one's happy, no one's money if one is still racing.
I mean, yeah, you would just think at a time
like that, when the housing markets are crashing, that Formula
one seems even more gratuitous. Yes, exactly, exactly. So. Our
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first main character in the story is Honda. But at
this point they've had a team for for a couple
of seasons in the mid to late auts and things
are not going well. They are you know, like, you know, eighth,
ninth place, what's called P eight, P nine in the
championship out of you know, ten eleven whatever teams. They're
really not not doing so hot. And um, Honda says,
l O l j K. We are pulling out of
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two thousand nine. We're sorry to say that seven people
are about to lose their jobs amid the holiday season,
and um, OOPSI daisy, you know, it's just a real
real clusterfuck. Um. And so at the last second, we're
like the pretty much almost literal eleventh hour, this guy
named Ross Braun, he is the team principal of the
Haunted Team. He and the CEO, they say, hey, would
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you be willing to let us buy you out keep
the team? You know, keep, let everyone keep their jobs
and you know, we'll kind of handle financing for next
season for the most part, but we just want to
make sure we save the team. Don't let this all
kind of go to waste over this little thing again
called a global economic crisis. So Honda ends up saying yes,
and Ross Broun, technically on the documents buys a Formula
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one team for one pound. Yeah. Great, They kind of
just they have to do some type of business transaction
and they do that. They pund a one pound buy
out of this of this team. And as if things
were not already weird enough. Uh, we talked on our
intro episode about how F one comes out with new
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regulations every couple of years to increase competitiveness and and
help with safety and all that. New regular lations were
starting with the beginning of the two thousand nine season.
So this team now has a new kind of ownership. Uh,
they have new regulations, they have less money to start
out with, and they did or under normal circumstances. Most
even the quote unquote poorer teams on the grid have
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you know, mit five million for the most part. Uh,
if you're a driver on this team, you're like this sucks. Yeah,
You're like, what the And by the way, I'm pretty
certain growing up we had a Honda lawnmower. Just think
about that. I don't think we had a Mercedes Lawmore.
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I don't know if Mercedes would make a lawnmore, it
would be incredibly expensive, but it probably very sleek and
very trendy. Yeah, you know it is. It is interesting
to think of Honda in this premier racing league when
really they probably made the nuts and bolts of their business.
Is like the Honda Civic, maybe the Accord, maybe my lawnmower.
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I don't know. Yeah, I'll explain the why this happened
a second. But to get to the season, the first
race comes around. The two drivers we have are these guys.
There's Jensen Button, who's sort of this I don't want
to say, almost playboy but kind of party boy British
guy Button and Uh and his teammate Rubens Barrichello, who
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is most known for being the longtime teammate of Michael Schumacher,
legendary if one driver at Ferrari, and they are one
of the longest and most successful partnerships in F one history.
So so you've got Rubens, You've got Jensen. They are
kind of they were already signed to the team when
they were with Honda's. They're just kind of yoloing this
whole thing, like like they're in it for like the
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ride to they have no idea what's gonna happen when
no one knows who's gonna happen. There's not high hopes
for bron g P when they start, you know, the
qualifying session and um buns on that first to finish.
They end up going one two in the first race
of the season. What that's amazing, sensational, sensation fantastic, And
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then Jensen Button ends up winning six of the first
seven races. Oh you have thank you, thank you, So
Jensen Button in bron GYP wins the Ribber's Championship, braun
g P walks await the Constructor's title. Fantastic. They are
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on top of the world, and so of course thing
you're probably wondering what the hell happened, Like how did
they pull that off? Were they cheating? No, but they
were doing the classic F one thing of barely not cheating,
um and cheating. That should be the name of someone's memoir.
It's definitely like the subtitle of F one. It's like
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Formula one colin barely not cheating. So essentially, the very
smart people at the Honda Brawn GP whatever you want
to call it factory are reading through these new regulations
and basically within the engine there's something called a diffuser,
and that we can go into forever about what it does.
It would just take forever. But essentially what they do
is they're supposed to make the diffuser smaller, and what
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they end up doing is almost splitting it into and
creating what's called now a double diffuser. So they find
this loophole, this very specific loophole, and exploit it to
do something funky to this diffuser. So when they innovate
their car, obviously there's great effort put into keeping that
a secret from the other teams. Yes, it's such an
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interesting dance between we want you to innovate, but don't
be so good that we'll then have to write exactly
interesting history. Where are they now? A good question. We'll
get into more of the team history after this break.
So we find get to the part of the story
where Mercedes comes back into the picture. Here, like two
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thousand's it's around the same time Mercedes is looking at
potentially entering Formula one. For any any kind of organization
that wants to enter something like Formula one, you have
a couple of options. So one, you could spend untold
amounts of money and resources building a team from scratch, right,
developing a car from scratch, building a factory and all
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of that infrastructure from scratch, which is just Yeah, I
think even the most egotistical of billionaires are not that
egotistical to where they're too much work too like even
just like you know, get the central hub where training
is too much work exactly like buy a ship team
and try to exactly So Mercedes goes the route that
a lot of you know, up upstarted teams. Do they
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buy an existing team? Which team do they buy? Bron
GP coming out of this very exciting season. Yeah, Well,
first of all, I have to say this is a
great day for us obviously to start a new season
with Mersey to Spence Grand Prix team with an own
Formula one team? Is something really special for us? This
must have been enormous when Mercedes got back in to motorsport.
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Is this their debut into Formula one since the crash? Yes,
this was huge news. Here's why it's even bigger. Okay,
Formula one fans around the world, Michael are very excited.
There you are. You can see the Mercedes Ben's logo
behind you. You're returning to Formula one. Tell us what
your emotions are like Mercedes Lands. Seven time world champion.
Michael Schumacher actually joined the team. Fantastic excitement after I
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got the call from from Ross in November providing a
silver arrow and I'm going to be able to sit
inside and and throw it around. I mean, that's really
great stuff. So Michael Schumacher had famously retired from F one,
made a big deal out of the retirement, and basically
in the ensuing years, Michael Schumacher is basically still at races,
like in the paddock and everyone's like, Michael, you've got
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to do something like he just misses it. He feels
it really wasn't his time or that he was kind
of not forced out, but people were like, you should
be ready to leave you've won seven of these things.
The singular focus that it takes to be at that level,
which I don't know about, like none of us know about.
But then when you just leave, you don't know how
to do anything else exactly. Don't even know how to
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sit and have breakfast with your wife. Man, all you
know how to do is just think about the race,
think about the engine, think about the team. Whatever it is.
They can't handle it. Yeah. So, so we're at the
new era Michael Schumacher. You know, his teammate is a
young guy named Nico Rossberg, whose dad Kick Rossberg one
with in Formula one decades prior. SOO got this fun,
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little very blond lineup going on at the new Mercedes,
and yeah, sure enough, the first couple of years a
little rocky, they do, you know, like like Michael Schumacher
has his worst I think three seasons ever and f
one right he ends up, you know, uh P eight,
P nine, I think P. Thirteen and Michael Jordan playing
for the Wizards similarly, yeah a little bit. Yeah, and
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have Nico Rosberg driving for them, Michael Schumacher driving for them. Okay,
big names in motorsport, but actually they weren't particularly successful.
So that was Jenny Gal She's a prominent of one
reporter for the BBC and other media outlets, and she
was featured as a commentator in Drive to Survive. So
year on year they were still looking for that winning
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formula and they were starting to accrue some of the
top personnel. They already had a lot on their books,
but then they started to poach others. So for example,
James Allison, one of the most successful technical directors in
Formula one, was poached from Ferrari and came across to Mercedes.
They just started to put in place the best team
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possible with Nicki Louder, their former F one driver and champion,
but passed away a couple of years ago. Toto Wolf
came on board. Who you know that between the two
of them ran Mercedes. So we're coming into which is
when all the rules changed and the engines became hybrid engine. Yes,
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they're all driving prius Is at this point, I would
love to see Lewis Hamilton's drive around in a Prius.
It's a little different. No, they're not. Basically, without getting
to two technical A big part of the regulations in
this turbo hybrid era come from the fact that Formula
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one had started receiving a ton of criticism for not
being particularly environmentally sustainable. So huge part of this and
creating engines that run on both fuel as well electricity
is signaling to everyone that F one takes this seriously interestingly.
Over the course of the last decade. You know, these
cars are some of the most efficient when it comes
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to energy and power and fuel usage, and a lot
of that technology then is now what we see in
cars on the road as well. So just to give
you a little bit of comparison here, first, here's what
a twin thirteen Formula one engine sounded like. Okay, so
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let's listen. Then when this turbo hybrid era started, here's
what a twenty fourteen engine sounds like. Wow, that's very different.
And I would assume, if anything, the cars as equally,
if not faster, exactly. Yeah, So it's the whole idea is, yeah,
you're not losing performance, you're just making it more efficient
and environmentally friendly. It is odd that every time they
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change regulation it ultimately changes everything. I mean, even changing
the point after a touchdown back to the thirty yard line.
Whenever that took like thirty years of football for them
to go. Maybe it's just it's so much change is
so difficult to make, and it seems like Formula one
does it often. Maybe what would happen if football did
change the rules every year? Right? And I think that
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would be interesting. Yeah, I would personally just love to
see the other chaos. Take the helmets off. You want
to solve concussions. No more helmets because they're not going
to use their helmets as weapons anyways, normal pads just like,
go back to the old school leather helmets and uh yeah,
no forward passing. You know, why not make it a
two hundred yard field. See what happens? Multiple footballs exactly
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completely deflated, no no no air in them to speak up,
just like this weird pigskin thing, which just kind of yeah,
there you go. Something else to note. A big announcement
is made and Mercedes is bringing in a new driver
and it is a young man named Lewis Hamilton's. Everyone
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thought he was crazy to go across the Mercedes at
the time because they weren't a championship contender of a team.
People thought he was nuts for leaving McLaren, a historic
team that had been around for decades to go to
this weird new shop at Mercedes that had been sprung
out of this weird brawn GP sitch. So see us.
Everyone was sort of confused, surprised, already saying you, yeah,
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he just left up his career. I won't go too
much into Lewis's background because he is the star, or
one of the two stars of our next episode all
about the Mercedes drivers. So Mercedes started winning championships in
Ladies and Gentlemen, two Formula One World champion and from
that point on it won every championship. Every year, Mercedes
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are the champions again. Of course, with that result, the
teams won the Constructors Championship for third consecutive year. Who
would have ever thought a few years ago that we
would be able to hold the celebration with a fifth
consecutive double championship title, getting their lewishadron seven times, seven times,
eight consecutive Constructors World Championships until well, let's see what
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happens this year. Yeah. So that's that's Mercedes overall to
present day. So they were excellent, had an enormous crash,
stayed out of the sport for thirty years, came back
in through an odd acquirement of basically Honda's team at
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a third of the price, made some changes, brought in
Lewis Hamilton's and has dominated exactly. Yeah, it's a very
successful manufacturer. It provides some of the engines for the
other teams as well. Um and it attracts some of
the biggest players in Formula One when it comes to drivers, sponsorship, marketing,
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all of the deals that go around because of its success.
It so current present day. So we have these new
legs two, and very early on it became pretty apparent
that Mercedes car was not looking as hot going into
They have an issue that is called porpoising, and the
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issue is basically that aerodynamically, if they're going very fast,
especially in a straight line, the cars bounce up and
down very quickly because it's just not aerodynamically sound bouncing
up and down. I know this, let's listening, still bouncing
a lot. You hear the skipping of the floor. I
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mean that that doesn't doesn't control. Did they think about
putting bags of kitty litter in the trunk or something,
because that's what you do in Michigan when it's icy up. Yeah,
I'm sure that cross the vines yes, that was very scientific.
So yeah, so so Mercedes is at a weird point
where they're not doing horrifically badly. They're just not the
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dominant force. You know, there was a season where they,
you know, one of their two drivers one nineteen of
the races in a season kind of things. You go
from that too, You're it's like a little bouncy house
down a track, you know, it feels like a little
bit more of a fall. But this is also what's
interesting about sport. I mean, Mercedes was out for a
two years. They didn't have to worry about this ship.
Once you enter, you now have to win, you know.
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And so they won for a while, but you can't
keep winning all the times. They pay the other teams
too to be competitive. So yeah, yeah, well, Johan I
were trying to think of a tagline for Mercedes. The
one that he came up with, which I think is
the best working one for now, is um, they're like
the team you you love to hate, right because they're
they're winning all the time. Is this the New York Yankees?
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The Formula One? Yeah, you know in yeah and this
turbo hybrid era. That is what Mercedes is. Their team
is so disciplined, so dominant. Obviously they probably get a
little cocky because they're used to just winning everything. They
have the best driver or one of the you know,
best drives of all time, that's Lewis Hamiltons Lewis Hamilton's. Yeah.
So so they're kind of been a weird spot where
they have. They're a little uncomfortable. They have not been
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around here in quite some time, and it's been pretty
apparent in interviews that they're two drivers are just yeah,
a little a little bit annoyed that know they're they're
they're struggling so much. Well, there is Peyton for you today.
Do you feel you maximized everything you could in the
cow given all the conditions today? I mean, personally, I
feel like I'm maximized everything. I don't know if we
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did as a team. Who's in charge of Mercedes? I mean,
who's making these calls they do? Please tell me that
the person has a name that sounds like a villain
and Disney. You are in luck. Oh my god. The
person is a man named Toto Wolf. Of course, his
names are outrageous, otherwise known as Daddy Toto. I promised
Daddy issues to too is Yeah, truly an icon of
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the sport. I'm gonna google, I'm gonna show you. I
brought pictures. Ready, this is Daddy Toto. Wolf's gonna describe
Toto for everyone. This is a handsome man. This is
a handsome man. Full head of hair. By the way,
everyone in Formula one has a full head of hair
thanks to a lot of a lot of cosmetic procedures.
Classic German picture of him standing in front of a
(25:57):
snow capped mountain. And you know, I'm noticing with a
Formula one everyone looks and exudes wealth. There's a lot
of layers, there's nice watches. He's a billionaire, so I
hope he's wealth yes, you know, And I hate to
draw this comparison, but he looks like me. I'm just kidding, No,
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I mean, this is a This is a handsome looking dude.
He exudes confidence and wealth. He's six ft five. He's
very imposing in the world of Formula one. Being six
ft five, you might as well be a giant. Yeah,
and he works out. You can tell he works out. Yeah,
So yeah, that that's that's who they have. I work out,
so I can tell that he works out. You know
what I mean? Yes, so that that is Total Wolf
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to the Austrian team principle of the Mercedes of one team.
He is very large, very imposing. Total is kind of
known for yet being this kind of hyper efficient businessman. Um.
He's also very big on if if your ego is
getting in the way of the team, he will call
you out on it and has no problem being like,
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you're sucked up. You need to get over it, Like
go go in a corner and figure it out and
come back when you're ready to be a team player.
Like he's not messing around. Total, we'll put you in
check exactly. Yeah, I mean, funk, it's already hard enough
trying to drive these things that you got this guy
in your head. Yeah, he's a pretty intense guy. But
he also yeah, likes to keep things close to the vest,
and he's very calculated as to when he kind of
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lets those go rip, right, it's a it's a choice exactly. Yeah.
Like you never feel like he's being impulsive. So that's
that's Uh, that's Total Wolf. Alright, Total Nice to meet you, buddy.
He he looms large in uh and he's also I
think an easy person to love to hate too, because
he is imposing, not a guy where you you would
kind of casually like, ah, that's someone I'm going to
small talk with you. He's also there's nothing about him
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that says underdog. You know, he is the punching up.
It's Mercedes, it's wealth, it's the look, and uh, I
think I think I've got a grasp on that. Excellent.
We gotta do a quick break and then we'll be back.
So I guess overall, if I had to sum up,
you know, the hitch for Mercedes, you're sort of like, well,
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how do you pitch a team to anyone to to
root for? You know, why why am I buying this
fifty dollar hat for for a team that that is
dominated for close to a decade, right? Um, I think
there's a lot of good arguments. One, you know, they
aren't invincible, so we're seeing a little bit of their
their vulnerable side. So if you you're someone who maybe
wants a little bit of an underdog flavor without having
(28:21):
to commit to like a true underdog at the back
of the grid, you know, Mercedes has that they do
have this wacky history with Brown g p uh Yokai.
What would what would you add to why Mercedes well,
I think if you want to make a safe bet,
Mercedes is like, you know, it's a safe bet. They
have the history, they have the drivers, They're definitely financed, Yeah,
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well financed. They they have the best engineers. You know,
some some people like to win. Like if you if
you like your team to win, are we going to
use you popping in like on the audio? I like
that first of all, thank you know, it gives another
It gives another layer. I always like in the producer's policy.
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I'd also say too that if if any team is
going to struggle but like figure their ship out, I'd
bet on Mercedes, you know. Whereas there other teams where
it's like, oh, their their car is not good this year,
like oh we're fucked for the entire year, like best
of luck to you, Whereas like Mercedes, I'm like, you know,
you had some people a couple of races in two already,
you know, ruling them out, and I'm like, you know,
there's a lot of races this there's almost two dozen
(29:22):
races this season. I think they'll figure it out. There's
a good chance that Mercedes going to figure out whatever
the issue is and at least not be embarrassing for
the rest of the season. You know what I'm finding
interesting about this is so much of sport, it's kind
of determined who you're supposed to cheer for based on
where you're from. Yeah, what's interesting about Formula one. It's
such a mix of nationalities. You're essentially picking either the brand,
(29:48):
like I love this brand so much, I want to
cheer for Mercedes or Williams and not Williams. But essentially
you're picking the personality of the either the principal or
the to dry Iver's. It lends itself to some heartache
because you know the drivers are gonna leave eventually, You're
gonna go everywhere. So it's it's interesting that, like, I
(30:10):
get to pick a team, but that's also what everybody
gets to do, because it's not like, oh, shoot, I'm
from Detroit, I have to be a Lions fan, you know,
I get to actually decide what team I want to
I think I just described the whole podcast just now
hitting me in the head of what this is. Congratulations Welcome.
Episode two only took two full episodes to get part of.
(30:30):
Unless Unless, I'll just say, unless you're Italian, okay, and
I don't know that is there. There's a clear Italian
team Ferrari. So I'll say this, I understand the the
compulsion of maybe finding a Mercedes team to support and love. Ah,
(30:51):
I want something a little not as h for sure.
I want something a little more underdog. I don't need
my team principle to have a seven camera professional photo
shoot in front of a snow mountain. I want there
would be a little more grit. If that's so. And
I don't know anything about Louis Hamilton's or the other drivers.
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You have to have grit to be successful. But uh,
my initial take on Mercedes is a hate herbal team.
I don't need that elegant brand logo in my life. Personally.
You need you need to to have a little more
dirt on his face. He's too uh. I just it
feels a little too constructed. I think I might be right,
(31:33):
I might be wrong. I don't know. And for for
any listener disagreeing with me, keep in mind, this is
the very first team principle I've ever met, so I
don't I can't really compare him to anyone else. You
didn't even know that was the word. So yeah, so
that's the that that's kind of a story and history
of Mercedes. Uh, that's that's where we're coming from, and
(31:56):
we're using that information to set the scene for the
next episode. We're going to drive to drive. We're going
to dive into the two current drivers on this team.
You've got Lewis Hamilton's seven time world champion, considered a goat,
if not v goat of Formula one, greatest of all time.
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And then you have his new teammate as of this season,
George Russell, who is out here trying to prove himself
after a few funky, weird years on a not so
great team in the sport. So that will be the
next episode. I think we should be driving into each episode.
We're not diving. Really missed opportunity on my part. Wow,
(32:38):
I you know, we should all just pack it up
and go home. I've completely missed the boat on that one.
Damn it. It was a good mistake. This has been
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