November 8, 2025 • 28 mins
In the second half of the show, we discuss a DL Hughley interview with TMZ and ask ‘Do ex-MAGA deserve forgiveness? We also discuss a forthcoming nationwide economic boycott blackout scheduled to start Nov. 25th. We give the reasons behind the move, the potential impact, and how to be most effective with boycotting in general.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It is time to feel good some ebony excellence, if
you will, and we're going to share this story from Syracuse,
New York and the website Syracuse dot com. Sharon Owens,
whose career in public service launched more than forty years
ago with a college internship at a neighborhood community center,
has now made Syracuse history. Voters elected Owens the first
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black mayor of Syracuse on Tuesday. She will be the
fifty fifth mayor in the city's one hundred and seventy
seven year history. Owens is also the second woman to
win the job. Quote to the elders of this community,
you who for decades look to the future of a
time when there would be a mayor that looks like you,
that comes from your experience, that understands the struggle, that
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gets the hopes and the aspiration of generations of Syracusans.
I'm going to work hard to make you proud, unquote,
Owens told more than three hundred supporter is at her
campaign's election night party. Owens, a Democrat, led with more
than seventy three percent of the vote. With about one
third of precincts reporting, her lead became insurmountable early on,
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she beat Republican Thomas Bablion, sorry Babylon, Okay, I got
that right, and Independence Alfonso Davis and Tim Rudd according
to unofficial results Tuesday night from on Aganda County Board
of Elections. One of the things that we have celebrated
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and will continue to celebrate is black women and this
story definitely checks that box. It's interesting that we're still
counting firsts knowing that black women have been in this
country since before this was a country. But you know,
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it's not nothing, and actually this is definitely something. So
shout out to Sharon Owens for making us all proud. Okay, Dio,
Hugh Lee speaks, do x maga deserve forgiveness? So Q's
going to weigh in, of course, but I'll jump in
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front of this. This is a conversation that Q and
I have had before, not just with ourselves, but with
lots of people, and I think that there's regardless of
how you feel about it, I've heard people articulate cogent
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explanations and theories and whatever about this issue going back
since twenty sixteen, and Dio hugely is somebody that we
look to for a lot of content because he gets
a lot of content sent to him early.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
He shares it online for those that don't know, he's very.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Established in this sort of activist, activist, do good or
progressive community. So I'll share a bit from TMZ and
then we'll get to the video the comedian. This is
from TMZ. The comedian joined TMZ Tuesday on TMZ Live,
saying the only reason some folks turn anti Trump is
because he caused something bad to happen to them or
someone else, not because bad things have been happening to
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others all along during his two times in office, which
in his book, makes these former Trumpers selfish. All right,
So let's hear what he has to say.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I understand that your hardline and you say, look, if
you supported them, I'm done with you.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
But if they genuinely have a change of heart, right, and.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Why wouldn't you want to have someone have more people
on your side of the aisle.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I think the one thing that's consistent with people that
have changed their mind is it was an inherent selfish
as they responded to was something happened to them or
somebody that looked like them or somebody they love, then
find it had it been happening to anybody else, they
wouldn't have cared. So if your motivation is that you
know you have seen it damage people that you love,
that's selfishness.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And you voted in a very selfish way.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
So you're saying there's no room for in politics, there's
no room for forgiveness.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
What I've learned from Republicans is you.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Draw your circles tight and keep it that way. The
entire administration now is based on not proficiency, not professor,
but loyalty.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Loyalty.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
But to your point, that's that's Trump, right, and let's
say he can't run again. So now you're just talking
about whether someone is going to espouse the Republican platform
or the Democrat platform.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
I don't think it's as simple as I was misled.
I think you wanted to believe the thing I thought.
I think that you didn't care who had hurt as
long as it wasn't you, And if it were brown
and black people, all the more better for it.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
You know what was interesting two weeks.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Ago when I was on three weeks what I was on,
they were when you and I and Charles were talking
about how Bill Maher was saying all the tariffs in
her anybody, and I drive.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Around my street. Three days later.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
The Jobs Report came out and it talked about the
people it hurt when he goes to DC and he
takes over the city under the pretext that it is
that is lawless. Who does he use? He's attacking cities
with black mayors. You help do that. He's rounding that
brown people.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You help do that.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Why would I trust you again? If you can't see
the obvious danger to yourself or to the people look
around you, then you're ignorant. And why would I need
to be right? I'll have to change your mind. Like
Chuck d said something that I'll never forget. He said,
if I can't change the people around me, I got
to change the people around me.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
But let's say, let's go back twenty thirty years, right,
I mean there were time there was a time where
people changed their mind.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Right, there was a time.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
When people were could say I thought this, but now
I see things differently, and they would go back and forth.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
These people had three bites of the apple. Three times they.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Saw him when an election, they saw what happen in
they saw him try to overthrow the government, and they
still did it.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
The third time come on now, third time is the charm.
We're not talking about people.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
All those people and many a great deal of those
people made this this mistake three times. Who the hell
makes a mistake three times when three times is on purpose?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Okay, so deal.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Hughgley obviously feeling very strongly about what forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Should look like.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And again, these are conversations that Q and I have had. Q,
you want to go first?
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Or should I let me go ahead? So this is
an interesting thing that happened to me. And as Ramses knows,
I was going to say, famously knows because he hears
these conversations all the time. Since Trump started running for
office the first time, I've gotten a bunch of surprise
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dms from people that I know and care about in
support of him. And it's always been very confusing and
very gaslighting and very hurtful for very very obvious reasons.
If you're listening to us, or if you know me,
then you know why. And it's not just because of me,
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but the empathy that I have for people who don't
look like me, whose lives I knew would be more
difficult because of this administration, because of this president, and
those dms very recently have in some cases had a
different tone to them, And in one case that stands
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out to me, the person revealed that they didn't really
have a change of heart. They just didn't like becoming
the victim of the things they voted for. Like dil
Hughley said, it had an adverse and negative effect on
their life directly. So then they're all of a sudden
not in support of Trump anymore. But then because they're
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embarrassed the decision that they made, they then explained to
you the reasons why they made it, positions that they
still hold, and those positions are still very much aligned
with the MAGA movement. Right as this person was explaining
that they were misled and flatly that I'm now upset
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because I became a target, this Hispanic person that became
a target somebody in their families because Hispanic people had
always been a target. So it had to hit that
close to home that this person had a change of heart.
Went on to explain to me that they still felt
the same way about the LGBTQ community, that they still
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felt the same way about quote unquote open borders, that
they still felt the same way about everything, like Dio
pointed out, the only thing that changed Ramses is that
it had an adverse negative effect on their life personally.
As long as it was just everybody else, they were fine.
And as he noted, that very very hard person to
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welcome back into the fold.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well said, uh, and you know DL obviously, Well said,
I am going to adopt my famous position that I
always do, which is I don't think it's the opposite position,
but it's a position that automatically has maybe a little
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bit of grace built into it.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So I'll say this, I'm confident.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I don't know anyone personally, but I'm confident that there
have been like bonafide white supremacist people who have been
reformed and they've spent a lot of time in a
certain mindset, you know, years, decades, and when they they
realize their truth, they realize it.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I've made certain.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Mistakes more than three times in my life, and it's
taken me a long time to realize stuff that people
would think comes naturally, and to me, it just didn't
occur to me.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I'll be very honest.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Once upon a time I thought that if your friend
and his girlfriend broke up and she liked me as
long as I tell my friend, Hey, she likes me.
Is there anything you want me to do or not
do with this situation that if you said not go
for it, that meant you could go for it. I
had to do that a bunch of times to realize,
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oh no, you can't. Don't even acknowledge that she likes you,
because your friend will get hurt and I'm thinking of you.
So I've made that mistake many times. I could name others,
but that just was at the tip of my tongue
for people that are on this human journey. You know,
I'm one of those people on this human journey. I
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learned things every day. Sometimes there are long lessons that
hurt a lot. Sometimes I learn them quickly. Sometimes they
come naturally to me and I don't need to learn them.
But I'm appreciative of all the grace that has been
extended to me throughout my life. I do recognize you
can't turn your cheek a bunch of times because you're
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gonna run out of cheeks really quickly.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But I think that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I'm gonna try to hold on to a little bit
of space for x MAGA people. I'm going to wrestle
with you a little bit from time. That's I'm q too,
because I know that a lot of people have hurt
you and that was not fair to you, and I
will love you through additional hurt because I'm sure that's
coming to But as people find out that they were wrong,
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I think they need a soft place to land so
that they don't fortify the opposition A but B so
that we can remind them that their humanity is valid
and it's okay to be wrong sometimes. So my thoughts,
I really don't want to move on. I feel like
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we got a lot more there, but time works the
way time works. But if we're going to move on,
I kind of love what we're moving on too. So
nationwide economic boycott blackout starts November twenty fifth. This is
something that warms my heart. We joke on this show
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about our forms of resistance that we prefer I like
to get out to a protest. I like to I
like to see an active protest. I like it when
it's a little disruptive, you know, it gets a little
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bit more attention. I don't like seeing people heard, of course,
but I just I think that if you're going to
do something, do it and remind people that they should
be afraid of the population. Right, remind the elected officials
that they should be afraid of the population. And so
a display of strength, to me is not the worst
thing in the world. Now, I want to make that
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live a little bit more for you, because you know,
I'm from Los Angeles, That's where I was born. So
you know, in nineteen ninety two, anybody that's familiar with
what was going on in Los Angeles in nineteen ninety two,
you can you can appreciate sort of the culture that
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I come from. Again, I want to make sure that
I stated plainly, I'm never going to be a person
that wants to see violence or anything like that. You know,
even property damages something that you know, I don't know.
But how about this. I think the thing that I
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prefer to all other forms of resistance is boycotting strategic
spending because it only benefits you if it's done correctly right.
Never put your families or yourself, put anyone's health in
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danger and jeopardy. You know, make sure you have food,
make sure you know have gas, you can get to work,
you're economically solvent. But remember always that this is a
consumer based economy that we live in and we have
to be consumers in order to feed the machine in
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a manner of speaking, but we don't have to be
consumers for any other reason outside of that. And once
we realize that we save a lot of money, people
quit smoking, people drop drug drug habit it's people give
up addictions here and there, and we're a society that's
widely addicted. But once that happens, everyone realizes there's so
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much more money.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So this boycott, I think, is a way to flex
our muscles as a people. It doesn't need to be
all people, just enough to affect those razor thin margins
that all the huge corporations live and die by for
long enough to get them to put pressure on the
powers that be for us, right, because this one actually
does flow upstream. And I will let you know what
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the concerted effort looks like, and then you will get
your thoughts here This from the bi in. A nationwide
boycott is set for November twenty fifth through December second. Again,
I want to read that so you can mark your calendars.
A nationwide boycott is set for November twenty fifth through
December second.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm going to go a lot longer.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I'm going to be boycotting for years, But anyway, I'll
continue with organizers using Americans to shut down the economy
by avoiding work and spending. The protest, organized by Blackout
the System seeks to highlight economic inequality, government dysfunction, and
corporate influence and politics during the busy Thanksgiving shopping period,
including Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Quote day one, no work,
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no shopping, we vanish from their system unquote. A promotional
video on Instagram declares it goes on to say, we
are the economy Without us, nothing moves. Organizers say the
blackout is a peaceful, strategic withdrawal of labor and consumer
spending to demonstrate quote that real power belongs to the people.
Those unable to take the full week off are encouraged
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to participate through working strikes such as working to rule,
slowing down productivity, or abstaining from discretionary purchases. And I
think that the abstaining from discretionary purposes, that's the one
that I really love, especially when it comes to companies
that have dropped their diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives to
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bow to this administration and want to still perform in
his economy where he gets the credit for it. I
absolutely will not participate in that to the extent that
is possible for me and my family.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
All right, let me get back to the article.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
The protest comes amid the ongoing federal government shut down,
which has already disrupted key programs like the Snap assistance program.
Black Out the System launch in twenty twenty to promote
unity across race, class, and culture, and has previously aligned
with the People's Union USA, another grassroots activist network that
has urged boycotts and major corporations including Amazon, Walmart, and Disney. Quote,
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we are shutting down the US economy strategically and peacefully
by removing our labor, our spending, our financial support. This
is about reclaiming power and restoring justice unquote. So I'm
really excited about that. And you and I haven't had
a chance to have this conversation. How are you feeling about.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
A Q.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
You know, this is what I've noticed. One that there
is power in our dollar. Learning that we have trillions
of dollars in spending power is a very very powerful
piece of data and information to be aware of. However,
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me and Ramites ain't never going back to target, never
what some people have though, I mean some people never stopped.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Now.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
For some people, you and I had a conversation early
on when we start talking about boycotting. For some people,
boycotting is almost impossible. They're already very close to the
poverty line. They do not have access to different channels
and different ways of getting things, and they don't desert
time to live a less convenient life.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
They just can't.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
There are some that just don't want to, though, and
I wish they just wouldn't but would be quiet. But
what they do is they feel guilty that they're still participating. Yeah,
you're right to then justify it, and they have to
discourage you from boycotting, and that drives me crazy. They
will tell you that it's not effective, they will tell
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you that it's useless. They will give you all these
reasons why what you're doing doesn't make sense, it won't
affect any change, because they want people to backslide with
them when they go to target. They want you to
go with them when they support all these places that
we don't want to support anymore. They want you to
continue to do the same thing so that they don't
have to feel guilty about it. So do your research
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and understand that that company lost billions of dollars because
we just stopped going. And all of us didn't even stop.
Some people never stopped, but enough of us were intentional
enough with our time, with our dollar, with our attention
that it had real impact. And we stayed consistent, it
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had even grander impact. Because if we only if we
only abstained for that week, and then after that week
we triple down, then you're right, it won't have any impact.
Right if you if we do a national gas boycotton
on Monday, we're not getting no gas, but on Tuesday,
everybody go get gas.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Then yet it wasn't effective. But if we have some some.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Organized, sustained, collective, unified decisions like this, where we all
participate and we all stick to it, it does give
real change.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Right they were they were.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
They were videos of ice running up on farmers and
their workers a couple months ago. You stop seeing those
videos because these corporations that rely on those farm workers
reached out today people in Washington like ay Man, ay fam.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
That routing number is mine, that check account number is mine,
and you messing with it. Fall back and then they're
Lord and savior God on TV and proclaimed how.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Important our farm workers were. He didn't have no change
of heart.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
They didn't get more important to him the people who
he got at his you know, luxurious ball while he's
not feeding his citizens, and they spend twenty million of
our tax dollars on a party. Those people at that
party was losing some coin. So our collective voice matters,
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Rams and you were the one that brought that to
my attention. That helped educate me on the on the
power of black spending or the lack thereof.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But we got to all buy in.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
If you don't feel like sitting this one out, then
just don't sit it out. But be quiet, have your
guilty conscience by yourself. You same people that told us
not to vote are the same people telling us not
the boycott, and you see the results that that gave us.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Just sit down and be quiet. Sit down.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I want to add something here because I realized that
us saying boycott.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Especially for this handful of days, was it November.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I'm going to say the dates again, November twenty fifth
through December second. I don't want people to think that
that's all that we're saying I think that this is
something that can be a bit of a learning experience
for people who have never participated in actively shaping their
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material reality before, beyond their home and their community, but
indeed their country, shaping their country, and being an active
participant beyond simply voting or holding up a sign at
a protest. So let me share a couple of things
with you. One thing you may not know again is
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big businesses. In order to have all of those stores
and all of that inventory and have all of those
workers on their payroll, they have to get a lot
of money from investing and banks. Right, This isn't just
like like we'll just pick a store like a Target
or a Walmart or something like that. Imagine how much
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money is wrapped up in every single Walmart. They have
to pay for the parking lot, that electricity, everything, insurance, everything, right,
how much that cast?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Imagine how much that costs.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
That's not coming from one person's pocket. Even if a
person had that much money, because there are billionaires. Even
if there was a person with that much money, they
would not risk their entire fortune just to bankroll and
operation like that. They have investors, which means they have
debt that they have to service right on top of
their payroll, on top of procuring additional inventory and so forth.
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And so this comes from a person that has a
master's degree in business. Most of the business of all
of them, really, all of the ones that are national,
have so much debt that they live and die on
the razor thin profit margins that they make from their inventory,
and quarter to quarter they if they're able to pay
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dividends or buyback shares.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
This is their strategy, right.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So it only takes a handful of a handful of
people to affect this entire economy. Again, this is a
consumer based economy. Right, next time you go to a
big store. If you go, I won't go. Next time
you go, look at everything in that store and tell yourself,
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do I really need anything in this store for the
next three years? Because I don't want him to get
credit for that Donald Trump, I don't want him to
get credit.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Do I need towels? Do I really need towels? Right?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
And when you start asking yourself that, then you start realizing, Oh,
they got me. I'm one of the consumers. I'm the
cog in the machine. No, I refuse. You're going to
save so much money at the end of this, you're
going to have mad dough. I'm looking forward to that.
Consider alternatives. I know a lot of people are addicted
to Amazon. If you need to get something from Amazon,
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do what I do.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Go to eBay.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Why not, you know, go to tea move don't give
your money to Amazon, right And I think if you
just kind of keep these strategies central to your activism,
then not only will we be able to affect the government,
but will also end up with more money. And before
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we move on, I do want to say that I
want to shout out the Saver app. Okay, this is
for folks that want to become better allies and people
that want to make money. So we're going to kind
of have a little bit of an intersection here. We're
not getting paid to do this. This is something I'm
just a big fan of. So I'm going to share
this as out of Houston, Texas. This is from CBS
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this article. Today's Saber officially launched on iOS and Android,
introducing the first savings app that makes savings goals social
while keeping balances private. Unlike traditional finance apps that make
saving feel isolating, saver Let's users invite trusted friends and
family into their private circle to celebrate milestones, provide encouragement,
and stay motivated, all without revealing goal amounts. Okay, this
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is a quote. Money is personal, but it doesn't have
to be lonely, said Jamila Jeffoon. I hope I'm saying
that right, co founder of saverr. She goes on to say,
we built Saber because saving alone is tough. When you
invite people you trust, your best friend, your sister, your cousin, subtly,
hitting your goals feels possible. Your circle never sees dollar amounts,
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whether it's ten dollars or ten thousand dollars, so you
get the motivation without judgment on a quote. I want
to share too that this is black owned. So again
saver dot com. Savr R just makes her I say it.
I don't say again. At the end, I want to
share a little bit more. Saver is powered by what
the founders call the circle effect, based on the proven
psychological principle that people are more likely to achieve goals
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when they have social motivation from trusted supporters. With gen
Z increasingly comfortable setting financial boundaries and being transparent about
money with their friends, Savior provides the perfect platform for
this generation to harness peer support while maintaining privacy. Younger
generations are saving less than ever or not because they
don't want to, but because traditional savings tools feel isolating
and overwhelming. Saver it removes the shame and loneliness from
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saving by making it a shared experience.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
We watched too many friends that goals in January and
abandon them by March unquote, said Shola Ola, a co
founder of Saver. This person goes on to say the
missing piece wasn't willpower, it was pure motivation. Saver creates
a space where your people can cheer you on, whether
you're saving fifty dollars for concert tickets or five thousand
dollars for a down payment. And when your circle sees
your progress, they're inspired to start saving too unquote.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
So I want to go back again.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
That's savr r dot com or dot app if you
want to download the app. And I also want to
remind you the blackout, the economic blackout starts November twenty
fifth and months through December second. But if you can
keep it up, I certainly will. And that's going to
do it for us. Here on Civic Cipher signing off
Ramsey's joh and h Ward be sure to check us
out on all social media platforms at Civic ciper and
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until met with young
Right now.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It is time to feel good some ebony excellence, if
you will, and we're going to share this story from Syracuse,
New York and the website Syracuse dot com. Sharon Owens,
whose career in public service launched more than forty years
ago with a college internship at a neighborhood community center,
has now made Syracuse history. Voters elected Owens the first
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black mayor of Syracuse on Tuesday. She will be the
fifty fifth mayor in the city's one hundred and seventy
seven year history. Owens is also the second woman to
win the job. Quote to the elders of this community,
you who for decades look to the future of a
time when there would be a mayor that looks like you,
that comes from your experience, that understands the struggle, that
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gets the hopes and the aspiration of generations of Syracusans.
I'm going to work hard to make you proud, unquote,
Owens told more than three hundred supporter is at her
campaign's election night party. Owens, a Democrat, led with more
than seventy three percent of the vote. With about one
third of precincts reporting, her lead became insurmountable early on,
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she beat Republican Thomas Bablion, sorry Babylon, Okay, I got
that right, and Independence Alfonso Davis and Tim Rudd according
to unofficial results Tuesday night from on Aganda County Board
of Elections. One of the things that we have celebrated
(01:32):
and will continue to celebrate is black women and this
story definitely checks that box. It's interesting that we're still
counting firsts knowing that black women have been in this
country since before this was a country. But you know,
(01:53):
it's not nothing, and actually this is definitely something. So
shout out to Sharon Owens for making us all proud. Okay, Dio,
Hugh Lee speaks, do x maga deserve forgiveness? So Q's
going to weigh in, of course, but I'll jump in
(02:13):
front of this. This is a conversation that Q and
I have had before, not just with ourselves, but with
lots of people, and I think that there's regardless of
how you feel about it, I've heard people articulate cogent
(02:38):
explanations and theories and whatever about this issue going back
since twenty sixteen, and Dio hugely is somebody that we
look to for a lot of content because he gets
a lot of content sent to him early.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
He shares it online for those that don't know, he's very.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Established in this sort of activist, activist, do good or
progressive community. So I'll share a bit from TMZ and
then we'll get to the video the comedian. This is
from TMZ. The comedian joined TMZ Tuesday on TMZ Live,
saying the only reason some folks turn anti Trump is
because he caused something bad to happen to them or
someone else, not because bad things have been happening to
(03:23):
others all along during his two times in office, which
in his book, makes these former Trumpers selfish. All right,
So let's hear what he has to say.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I understand that your hardline and you say, look, if
you supported them, I'm done with you.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
But if they genuinely have a change of heart, right, and.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Why wouldn't you want to have someone have more people
on your side of the aisle.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I think the one thing that's consistent with people that
have changed their mind is it was an inherent selfish
as they responded to was something happened to them or
somebody that looked like them or somebody they love, then
find it had it been happening to anybody else, they
wouldn't have cared. So if your motivation is that you
know you have seen it damage people that you love,
that's selfishness.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And you voted in a very selfish way.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
So you're saying there's no room for in politics, there's
no room for forgiveness.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
What I've learned from Republicans is you.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Draw your circles tight and keep it that way. The
entire administration now is based on not proficiency, not professor,
but loyalty.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Loyalty.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
But to your point, that's that's Trump, right, and let's
say he can't run again. So now you're just talking
about whether someone is going to espouse the Republican platform
or the Democrat platform.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
I don't think it's as simple as I was misled.
I think you wanted to believe the thing I thought.
I think that you didn't care who had hurt as
long as it wasn't you, And if it were brown
and black people, all the more better for it.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
You know what was interesting two weeks.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Ago when I was on three weeks what I was on,
they were when you and I and Charles were talking
about how Bill Maher was saying all the tariffs in
her anybody, and I drive.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Around my street. Three days later.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
The Jobs Report came out and it talked about the
people it hurt when he goes to DC and he
takes over the city under the pretext that it is
that is lawless. Who does he use? He's attacking cities
with black mayors. You help do that. He's rounding that
brown people.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You help do that.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Why would I trust you again? If you can't see
the obvious danger to yourself or to the people look
around you, then you're ignorant. And why would I need
to be right? I'll have to change your mind. Like
Chuck d said something that I'll never forget. He said,
if I can't change the people around me, I got
to change the people around me.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
But let's say, let's go back twenty thirty years, right,
I mean there were time there was a time where
people changed their mind.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Right, there was a time.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
When people were could say I thought this, but now
I see things differently, and they would go back and forth.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
These people had three bites of the apple. Three times they.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Saw him when an election, they saw what happen in
they saw him try to overthrow the government, and they
still did it.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
The third time come on now, third time is the charm.
We're not talking about people.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
All those people and many a great deal of those
people made this this mistake three times. Who the hell
makes a mistake three times when three times is on purpose?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Okay, so deal.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Hughgley obviously feeling very strongly about what forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Should look like.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And again, these are conversations that Q and I have had. Q,
you want to go first?
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Or should I let me go ahead? So this is
an interesting thing that happened to me. And as Ramses knows,
I was going to say, famously knows because he hears
these conversations all the time. Since Trump started running for
office the first time, I've gotten a bunch of surprise
(06:55):
dms from people that I know and care about in
support of him. And it's always been very confusing and
very gaslighting and very hurtful for very very obvious reasons.
If you're listening to us, or if you know me,
then you know why. And it's not just because of me,
(07:15):
but the empathy that I have for people who don't
look like me, whose lives I knew would be more
difficult because of this administration, because of this president, and
those dms very recently have in some cases had a
different tone to them, And in one case that stands
(07:36):
out to me, the person revealed that they didn't really
have a change of heart. They just didn't like becoming
the victim of the things they voted for. Like dil
Hughley said, it had an adverse and negative effect on
their life directly. So then they're all of a sudden
not in support of Trump anymore. But then because they're
(07:59):
embarrassed the decision that they made, they then explained to
you the reasons why they made it, positions that they
still hold, and those positions are still very much aligned
with the MAGA movement. Right as this person was explaining
that they were misled and flatly that I'm now upset
(08:20):
because I became a target, this Hispanic person that became
a target somebody in their families because Hispanic people had
always been a target. So it had to hit that
close to home that this person had a change of heart.
Went on to explain to me that they still felt
the same way about the LGBTQ community, that they still
(08:40):
felt the same way about quote unquote open borders, that
they still felt the same way about everything, like Dio
pointed out, the only thing that changed Ramses is that
it had an adverse negative effect on their life personally.
As long as it was just everybody else, they were fine.
And as he noted, that very very hard person to
(09:01):
welcome back into the fold.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well said, uh, and you know DL obviously, Well said,
I am going to adopt my famous position that I
always do, which is I don't think it's the opposite position,
but it's a position that automatically has maybe a little
(09:34):
bit of grace built into it.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
So I'll say this, I'm confident.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I don't know anyone personally, but I'm confident that there
have been like bonafide white supremacist people who have been
reformed and they've spent a lot of time in a
certain mindset, you know, years, decades, and when they they
realize their truth, they realize it.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I've made certain.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Mistakes more than three times in my life, and it's
taken me a long time to realize stuff that people
would think comes naturally, and to me, it just didn't
occur to me.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I'll be very honest.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Once upon a time I thought that if your friend
and his girlfriend broke up and she liked me as
long as I tell my friend, Hey, she likes me.
Is there anything you want me to do or not
do with this situation that if you said not go
for it, that meant you could go for it. I
had to do that a bunch of times to realize,
(10:38):
oh no, you can't. Don't even acknowledge that she likes you,
because your friend will get hurt and I'm thinking of you.
So I've made that mistake many times. I could name others,
but that just was at the tip of my tongue
for people that are on this human journey. You know,
I'm one of those people on this human journey. I
(10:59):
learned things every day. Sometimes there are long lessons that
hurt a lot. Sometimes I learn them quickly. Sometimes they
come naturally to me and I don't need to learn them.
But I'm appreciative of all the grace that has been
extended to me throughout my life. I do recognize you
can't turn your cheek a bunch of times because you're
(11:19):
gonna run out of cheeks really quickly.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But I think that.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I'm gonna try to hold on to a little bit
of space for x MAGA people. I'm going to wrestle
with you a little bit from time. That's I'm q too,
because I know that a lot of people have hurt
you and that was not fair to you, and I
will love you through additional hurt because I'm sure that's
coming to But as people find out that they were wrong,
(11:51):
I think they need a soft place to land so
that they don't fortify the opposition A but B so
that we can remind them that their humanity is valid
and it's okay to be wrong sometimes. So my thoughts,
I really don't want to move on. I feel like
(12:12):
we got a lot more there, but time works the
way time works. But if we're going to move on,
I kind of love what we're moving on too. So
nationwide economic boycott blackout starts November twenty fifth. This is
something that warms my heart. We joke on this show
(12:37):
about our forms of resistance that we prefer I like
to get out to a protest. I like to I
like to see an active protest. I like it when
it's a little disruptive, you know, it gets a little
(12:58):
bit more attention. I don't like seeing people heard, of course,
but I just I think that if you're going to
do something, do it and remind people that they should
be afraid of the population. Right, remind the elected officials
that they should be afraid of the population. And so
a display of strength, to me is not the worst
thing in the world. Now, I want to make that
(13:19):
live a little bit more for you, because you know,
I'm from Los Angeles, That's where I was born. So
you know, in nineteen ninety two, anybody that's familiar with
what was going on in Los Angeles in nineteen ninety two,
you can you can appreciate sort of the culture that
(13:39):
I come from. Again, I want to make sure that
I stated plainly, I'm never going to be a person
that wants to see violence or anything like that. You know,
even property damages something that you know, I don't know.
But how about this. I think the thing that I
(14:03):
prefer to all other forms of resistance is boycotting strategic
spending because it only benefits you if it's done correctly right.
Never put your families or yourself, put anyone's health in
(14:25):
danger and jeopardy. You know, make sure you have food,
make sure you know have gas, you can get to work,
you're economically solvent. But remember always that this is a
consumer based economy that we live in and we have
to be consumers in order to feed the machine in
(14:46):
a manner of speaking, but we don't have to be
consumers for any other reason outside of that. And once
we realize that we save a lot of money, people
quit smoking, people drop drug drug habit it's people give
up addictions here and there, and we're a society that's
widely addicted. But once that happens, everyone realizes there's so
(15:08):
much more money.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So this boycott, I think, is a way to flex
our muscles as a people. It doesn't need to be
all people, just enough to affect those razor thin margins
that all the huge corporations live and die by for
long enough to get them to put pressure on the
powers that be for us, right, because this one actually
does flow upstream. And I will let you know what
(15:34):
the concerted effort looks like, and then you will get
your thoughts here This from the bi in. A nationwide
boycott is set for November twenty fifth through December second. Again,
I want to read that so you can mark your calendars.
A nationwide boycott is set for November twenty fifth through
December second.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm going to go a lot longer.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I'm going to be boycotting for years, But anyway, I'll
continue with organizers using Americans to shut down the economy
by avoiding work and spending. The protest, organized by Blackout
the System seeks to highlight economic inequality, government dysfunction, and
corporate influence and politics during the busy Thanksgiving shopping period,
including Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Quote day one, no work,
(16:17):
no shopping, we vanish from their system unquote. A promotional
video on Instagram declares it goes on to say, we
are the economy Without us, nothing moves. Organizers say the
blackout is a peaceful, strategic withdrawal of labor and consumer
spending to demonstrate quote that real power belongs to the people.
Those unable to take the full week off are encouraged
(16:39):
to participate through working strikes such as working to rule,
slowing down productivity, or abstaining from discretionary purchases. And I
think that the abstaining from discretionary purposes, that's the one
that I really love, especially when it comes to companies
that have dropped their diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives to
(17:00):
bow to this administration and want to still perform in
his economy where he gets the credit for it. I
absolutely will not participate in that to the extent that
is possible for me and my family.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
All right, let me get back to the article.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
The protest comes amid the ongoing federal government shut down,
which has already disrupted key programs like the Snap assistance program.
Black Out the System launch in twenty twenty to promote
unity across race, class, and culture, and has previously aligned
with the People's Union USA, another grassroots activist network that
has urged boycotts and major corporations including Amazon, Walmart, and Disney. Quote,
(17:34):
we are shutting down the US economy strategically and peacefully
by removing our labor, our spending, our financial support. This
is about reclaiming power and restoring justice unquote. So I'm
really excited about that. And you and I haven't had
a chance to have this conversation. How are you feeling about.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
A Q.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
You know, this is what I've noticed. One that there
is power in our dollar. Learning that we have trillions
of dollars in spending power is a very very powerful
piece of data and information to be aware of. However,
(18:15):
me and Ramites ain't never going back to target, never
what some people have though, I mean some people never stopped.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Now.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
For some people, you and I had a conversation early
on when we start talking about boycotting. For some people,
boycotting is almost impossible. They're already very close to the
poverty line. They do not have access to different channels
and different ways of getting things, and they don't desert
time to live a less convenient life.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
They just can't.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
There are some that just don't want to, though, and
I wish they just wouldn't but would be quiet. But
what they do is they feel guilty that they're still participating. Yeah,
you're right to then justify it, and they have to
discourage you from boycotting, and that drives me crazy. They
will tell you that it's not effective, they will tell
(19:07):
you that it's useless. They will give you all these
reasons why what you're doing doesn't make sense, it won't
affect any change, because they want people to backslide with
them when they go to target. They want you to
go with them when they support all these places that
we don't want to support anymore. They want you to
continue to do the same thing so that they don't
have to feel guilty about it. So do your research
(19:29):
and understand that that company lost billions of dollars because
we just stopped going. And all of us didn't even stop.
Some people never stopped, but enough of us were intentional
enough with our time, with our dollar, with our attention
that it had real impact. And we stayed consistent, it
(19:50):
had even grander impact. Because if we only if we
only abstained for that week, and then after that week
we triple down, then you're right, it won't have any impact.
Right if you if we do a national gas boycotton
on Monday, we're not getting no gas, but on Tuesday,
everybody go get gas.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Then yet it wasn't effective. But if we have some some.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Organized, sustained, collective, unified decisions like this, where we all
participate and we all stick to it, it does give
real change.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Right they were they were.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
They were videos of ice running up on farmers and
their workers a couple months ago. You stop seeing those
videos because these corporations that rely on those farm workers
reached out today people in Washington like ay Man, ay fam.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
That routing number is mine, that check account number is mine,
and you messing with it. Fall back and then they're
Lord and savior God on TV and proclaimed how.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Important our farm workers were. He didn't have no change
of heart.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
They didn't get more important to him the people who
he got at his you know, luxurious ball while he's
not feeding his citizens, and they spend twenty million of
our tax dollars on a party. Those people at that
party was losing some coin. So our collective voice matters,
(21:27):
Rams and you were the one that brought that to
my attention. That helped educate me on the on the
power of black spending or the lack thereof.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But we got to all buy in.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
If you don't feel like sitting this one out, then
just don't sit it out. But be quiet, have your
guilty conscience by yourself. You same people that told us
not to vote are the same people telling us not
the boycott, and you see the results that that gave us.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Just sit down and be quiet. Sit down.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I want to add something here because I realized that
us saying boycott.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Especially for this handful of days, was it November.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I'm going to say the dates again, November twenty fifth
through December second. I don't want people to think that
that's all that we're saying I think that this is
something that can be a bit of a learning experience
for people who have never participated in actively shaping their
(22:25):
material reality before, beyond their home and their community, but
indeed their country, shaping their country, and being an active
participant beyond simply voting or holding up a sign at
a protest. So let me share a couple of things
with you. One thing you may not know again is
(22:46):
big businesses. In order to have all of those stores
and all of that inventory and have all of those
workers on their payroll, they have to get a lot
of money from investing and banks. Right, This isn't just
like like we'll just pick a store like a Target
or a Walmart or something like that. Imagine how much
(23:09):
money is wrapped up in every single Walmart. They have
to pay for the parking lot, that electricity, everything, insurance, everything, right,
how much that cast?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Imagine how much that costs.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
That's not coming from one person's pocket. Even if a
person had that much money, because there are billionaires. Even
if there was a person with that much money, they
would not risk their entire fortune just to bankroll and
operation like that. They have investors, which means they have
debt that they have to service right on top of
their payroll, on top of procuring additional inventory and so forth.
(23:40):
And so this comes from a person that has a
master's degree in business. Most of the business of all
of them, really, all of the ones that are national,
have so much debt that they live and die on
the razor thin profit margins that they make from their inventory,
and quarter to quarter they if they're able to pay
(24:00):
dividends or buyback shares.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
This is their strategy, right.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So it only takes a handful of a handful of
people to affect this entire economy. Again, this is a
consumer based economy. Right, next time you go to a
big store. If you go, I won't go. Next time
you go, look at everything in that store and tell yourself,
(24:24):
do I really need anything in this store for the
next three years? Because I don't want him to get
credit for that Donald Trump, I don't want him to
get credit.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Do I need towels? Do I really need towels? Right?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
And when you start asking yourself that, then you start realizing, Oh,
they got me. I'm one of the consumers. I'm the
cog in the machine. No, I refuse. You're going to
save so much money at the end of this, you're
going to have mad dough. I'm looking forward to that.
Consider alternatives. I know a lot of people are addicted
to Amazon. If you need to get something from Amazon,
(24:56):
do what I do.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Go to eBay.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Why not, you know, go to tea move don't give
your money to Amazon, right And I think if you
just kind of keep these strategies central to your activism,
then not only will we be able to affect the government,
but will also end up with more money. And before
(25:21):
we move on, I do want to say that I
want to shout out the Saver app. Okay, this is
for folks that want to become better allies and people
that want to make money. So we're going to kind
of have a little bit of an intersection here. We're
not getting paid to do this. This is something I'm
just a big fan of. So I'm going to share
this as out of Houston, Texas. This is from CBS
(25:44):
this article. Today's Saber officially launched on iOS and Android,
introducing the first savings app that makes savings goals social
while keeping balances private. Unlike traditional finance apps that make
saving feel isolating, saver Let's users invite trusted friends and
family into their private circle to celebrate milestones, provide encouragement,
and stay motivated, all without revealing goal amounts. Okay, this
(26:09):
is a quote. Money is personal, but it doesn't have
to be lonely, said Jamila Jeffoon. I hope I'm saying
that right, co founder of saverr. She goes on to say,
we built Saber because saving alone is tough. When you
invite people you trust, your best friend, your sister, your cousin, subtly,
hitting your goals feels possible. Your circle never sees dollar amounts,
(26:29):
whether it's ten dollars or ten thousand dollars, so you
get the motivation without judgment on a quote. I want
to share too that this is black owned. So again
saver dot com. Savr R just makes her I say it.
I don't say again. At the end, I want to
share a little bit more. Saver is powered by what
the founders call the circle effect, based on the proven
psychological principle that people are more likely to achieve goals
(26:50):
when they have social motivation from trusted supporters. With gen
Z increasingly comfortable setting financial boundaries and being transparent about
money with their friends, Savior provides the perfect platform for
this generation to harness peer support while maintaining privacy. Younger
generations are saving less than ever or not because they
don't want to, but because traditional savings tools feel isolating
and overwhelming. Saver it removes the shame and loneliness from
(27:11):
saving by making it a shared experience.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
We watched too many friends that goals in January and
abandon them by March unquote, said Shola Ola, a co
founder of Saver. This person goes on to say the
missing piece wasn't willpower, it was pure motivation. Saver creates
a space where your people can cheer you on, whether
you're saving fifty dollars for concert tickets or five thousand
dollars for a down payment. And when your circle sees
your progress, they're inspired to start saving too unquote.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
So I want to go back again.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
That's savr r dot com or dot app if you
want to download the app. And I also want to
remind you the blackout, the economic blackout starts November twenty
fifth and months through December second. But if you can
keep it up, I certainly will. And that's going to
do it for us. Here on Civic Cipher signing off
Ramsey's joh and h Ward be sure to check us
out on all social media platforms at Civic ciper and
(28:02):
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