September 20, 2025 • 27 mins
In the first part of today’s program, we discuss the deep roots of the MAGA movement. We uncover memes and cultural elements that fester in the deep corners of the web. We also discuss the data that suggests that most politically-motivated violence in this country stems from the right rather than the left.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to
welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our
mission is to foster allyship, empathy and understanding. I'm your host,
ramses Ja.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
He is ramses Jaw, I am q Ward. You are
tuned in the Civic Cipher, and.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We need you to stick around because today we are
going to be talking about a couple of interesting things
that have been developing. First, we're going to talk about
the hate and the Maga movement. We're also going to
spend some time talking about who actually commits more political
violence in the USA. And later in the show, we're
going to be talking to a friend of the show,
Jessica Klottfelter, who is in the middle of the ocean
(00:35):
right now on a flotilla on her way toward Gaza
with the Veterans Delegation of the Global Samood Flotilla and
the Veterans about Face organization. You can find her on
all social media at Bay Franklin. But yeah, stick around
for that and so much more. But we're going to
start off, as always with some ebony excellence. And I
(00:56):
know Q you know a lot about these folks, So
why don't You Share It.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
To Today's Ebney Excellence brought to you by bi N
The daughters of activists Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Junior,
walked the runway during New York Fashion Week along with
other civil rights icons over the weekend. Actively Black and
ath Leisure brand founded by Lanny Smith, highlighted key figures
of the civil rights movement during its New York Fashion
Week show. Doctor Bernice King and doctor Ilyasha Shabaz model
(01:24):
sweatshirts honoring their fathers, doctor Martin Luther King Junior and
Malcolm X, respectively, as they shrutted down the catwalk side
by side. Smith also recognized their mothers, Coretta Scott King
and Betty Shabbaz during the show. Ruby Bridges, seventy one,
who became the first African American child to integrate an
all white school at age six, also walked the Activity
(01:46):
Black show. Ahead of her runway walk, Smith featured footage
of reactions to Bridges' activism in the sixties. A young
model then took the catwalk, accompanied by two men who
represented the federal agents sent to protect Bridges and escort.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Her to and from school.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Photographer Cecil Williams who was photographed drinking from a whites
only fountain in nineteen fifty six, a very very historic photo,
walk the show as well, wearing a sweatshirt with a
colorized version of that iconic civil rights moment on it.
During the Active Black event, Ben Haith, who designed the
Juneteenth Flag in nineteen ninety seven, also shrutted down the runway,
garnering roars, cheers and applause one time for Actively Black.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Now the hate in MAGA. All right, you know what
I'll do. I'll start this off how I should start
it off. So there is a creator. His name is
Khalil Green at Khalil dot green. If you want to
check him out, please give him a follow. This is
his content we're going to share with you again at
(02:52):
Khalil dot green. And I will explain why this was
significant to me in just a second. And I'm gonna
get Q's response, and I think it'll be really special.
So here in his own words is Khalil dot Green.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So I haven't really heard anyone say this, but the
callous memes and jokes about Charlie Kirk's murder are a
direct byproduct of the didn't do nothing era. And if
you don't know what, didn't do nothing means then you
need to watch this video, and if you do, you
should stay because a lot of this will resonate with you.
So let trewinds of the early twenty tens. Imagine you
come home, you turn the news and you hear about
Trayvon Martin, who was a seventeen year old that was
(03:30):
shot and killed by vigilante while holding a bag of skills.
Or you see the footage of twelve year old Tamy
or Rice who was shot and killed by police while
holding a toy gun. Or Eric Garner being choked to
death while saying that he couldn't breathe, or Sandra Bland
who was wrongfully arrested and later found dead in jail.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
For many of you who were adults at.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
The time, the tragedy in horror as terrible as it
was pretty much ended there with the killings themselves and
reconciling the injustice that happened. But the rest of us
Z millennials, who were mostly children at the time, the
killings were just where the trauma began, because that's when
the Internet exploded with the most shocking and vile memes
and jokes about these people who had just died, and
(04:13):
the didn't do nothing meme was practically the face of
this era. It was an ignorant and purposely fake African
American English way of saying he didn't do anything as
a way for online trolls and racists to mock grieving
black families who claim that their loved ones were unarmed
and undeserving of death. But make no mistake, it was
not just this one meme. There was actually a whole
(04:33):
ecosystem of cruel and edgy content that was meant to
desensitize people and normalize making fun of black people dying.
For example, this was a trend called trayvonning, where white
teenagers would dress up in a hoodie and lie face
down with skittles and a can of soda to mock
the way in which Trayvon Martin's dead body was found,
and more recently we had the George Floyd challenge, which
(04:56):
is pretty self explanatory. This sort of online cruelty was
found for the alt right pipeline with no regard for
the families of the victims of police violence and little
regard for the facts, and this to humanizing content was
born in the dark corners of websites like Reddit and
four chan, but what started out as edgy jokes in
those places spilled over into YouTube comments, Facebook threads, and
(05:18):
eventually mainstream concervative discourse. And while Charlie Kirk might not
have been at the beginning of this phenomenon, nor was
he necessarily the furthest right, he absolutely benefited from its
culture and actively participated in its expansion. He spread content
that told lies and was meant to smear figures like
Breonna Taylor and George Floyd soon after, if not immediately after,
(05:38):
they were killed. And just to add on to that,
a lot of people are focusing on only the direct
quotes from Charlie Kirk himself, but that leaves out the
organization that he founded and just how badly it contributed
to this issue. Now back then until now, many activists
have said the solution is to teach people about why
it's wrong to dehumanize others and implement stronger and smart
(06:00):
content moderation against hate speech. Instead, right wing voices and
Silicon Valley executives called that woke and just tore down
all the rules. Of course, this made things worse and
fueled even worse radicalization. For example, I recently wrote about
the George Droid meme and how crazy and depraved this
culture of mocking death had become in the wake of
(06:20):
recent changes on platforms that allow unfiltered hate speech. But
all of that fell on deaf ears of course, until now.
But I want to make something very clear. It is
definitive that this morbid internet culture originates on the right,
more specifically the meme lords of four Chan and read it,
the politicians and public figures that normalized and emboldened them,
(06:43):
and the social media companies that make money by fending
the flames of all of this, and that has radicalized
and desensitized both sides of the political spectrum. And we
try to warn you before it backfired. But that's all
I can fit in this video. If you're my full
sa on the topic, go to my substack at history
can't Hide dot com or on Instagram. Just come on
the word newsletter below to be dm a link. So again,
(07:10):
that's at Khalil dot green.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
If you want to, you know, see the images because
obviously we can't show you the images if you're listening
on radio. But those didn't do nothing. Memes and the
George Droid memes and all that sort of stuff, and
all the racist language and obviously the profane you know content. Uh,
(07:35):
it hits different when you actually see what he's talking about. Right.
The George Floyd Challenge, for instance, is a challenge where
you know, white kids would kneel on the neck of
another kid and you know, hashtag George Floyd challenge. You know,
so when I saw this, and I knew that there
was parts of the Internet that I was unfamiliar with, right,
(07:58):
you know, we we have to peak around in you know,
far right circles I and more me than Q just
to kind of bear in mind what it is they're
talking about, what it is they're complaining about, just so
we give our listeners what they need to challenge narratives
that might be developing on the right and the far right.
But you know, because we only peek around over there,
(08:19):
we have to preserve our own mental well being. We
miss some things we're not over there constantly. Right, So
this didn't do nothing, which is another like racial slur
basically didn't do nothing. Is again the term that people
(08:40):
would use to describe a black person who was killed
because of the police or because of you know something,
and there was no justice for those people, and these
families were greeting. One of the things that I'd done
historically on both of our shows is I tried to
leave a lot of grace and will still continue to
(09:01):
do that, to leave a lot of grace for people
who realize that they're wrong, who realized that they were
participating in hateful behaviors, just because I know that people
are on various journeys, and you know, I have to
be the person if no one else will be this
(09:23):
person that will allow folks to come over and give
them a hug and say welcome back home.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It sounds silly, but that's just how my heart beats. Okay,
But I had no idea that the hate ran that
deep for so long. And Q, I know you're going
to let our listeners know that you did try to
tell me over and over again. But for so long,
I thought people were simply just uninformed, or I thought
they were you know, who knows. You know, I think
(09:51):
that I provided a lot of excuses because the idea
that people just wanted to be hateful and wanted to
be cruel and wanted to be mean was just so
unconscionable for me, And to be fair, I recognize that
meme culture is for young people, and young people make
mistakes and they're still figuring out who they are. But
this is so vile and so hurtful that it feels like,
(10:11):
you know, the hate in the maga movement runs a
lot deeper than I originally thought, Q, please.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Didn't do nothing. What you have to take into consideration
is that that's making fun of the loved ones of
those fallen, not the fallen. It's insulting to the fallen,
But it's making fun of the idea, right you and I,
(10:39):
he didn't do nothing. It's poking fun at those of
us who are hurt and offended and grieving and mourning.
They're insulting. They're not honoring the dead, but they're like
pointing and laughing at us like Nana, n Nana, like oh, yeah,
(11:00):
you didn't do nothing. So it's such as it's a
deeper level of cruel, hateful rhetoric. And these same people
will call us disgusting for not solemnly and in reverence
(11:27):
and in solidarity to God and country, paying homage and
showing respect and mourning sadly in the wake of the
demise of someone like Charlie Kirk. Honor their heroes, no
(11:48):
matter how vile they are, no matter how they spoke
about you and those you care about. But when it
comes to not your heroes, but your children, your fathers,
your mothers, your neighbors, your friends, your children, your daughters,
they make memes about it and collectively laugh about it.
(12:09):
The leader's depundents, the talk show hosts all of them.
So for us, it's the blatant hypocrisy over and over again.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Now we're going to talk about who is truly responsible
for politically motivated attacks in this country. And the reason
we're going to talk about this is because we've heard
from the president and everyone, the vice president, you name it,
(12:45):
everybody who's in power right now where they'll put a
camera in front of their face in a microphone for
everyone say it's the left that is radicalizing people. You
can't call people Nazis and not expect, you know, folks
to try to attack them, you know, on and on
and on pointing fingers at the left, suggesting that that
(13:07):
is the source of all the problems in terms of like,
you know, political attacks, and completely ignoring it's like that
they started a thing, you know what I mean, Like,
who really set this whole country off? You know, Donald Trump.
Since Donald Trump started becoming critical of Barack Obama in
(13:31):
the White House and the birther movement where he suggested
to the country that Obama was an invalid president because
he wasn't born in the United States, demanding to see
his birth certificate, et cetera. This country has started on
a path since that time of being increasingly divided. It's singular,
(13:56):
and you know, people could point to Barack Obama all
they want, but it was domin Trump that took the
the faction that didn't want to see him in office
and invested in it and played the greatest hits, white
Folk's greatest hits to that group and has been successful
(14:18):
in growing that movement, or maybe not growing it. Maybe
that movement already had the numbers and we just didn't know.
But you know, giving validity, I suppose to that movement
and giving them a mouthpiece in this country. Now, this
is the same Donald Trump. You know what we're talking
(14:40):
about politically motivated attacks. This is the same Donald Trump
that has been very had had very violent, incendiary speech.
You know, I could shoot in somebody in my followers,
I wouldn't lose a follower. You know, he's the one
that organized the January sixth in So hang Mike Pence,
(15:02):
all that sort of stuff. That's Donald Trump, you know,
and his speeches and his ramblings are full of this
type of rhetoric. So for this group of people to
blame the right, or sorry, blame the left, it feels
like what they do, you know what I mean, It's
(15:23):
almost like if I say something enough times, it'll become true,
even if it's not true, even if it's not scientific,
even if it's not database, even if it's not journalistic,
if it has no integrity whatsoever. If I just say
it enough times, it becomes true. And we're going to
talk later in the show about Donald Trump, in his
own words, saying, smart people don't like me because smart
(15:45):
people will not blindly accept something just because he says it.
But there are enough people in this country that will
accept things just because he says it. So he just
says it over and over again, and then that's how
it gets chronicled. That's the narrative that gets chronicled. Right,
So what they're doing now is saying over and over
again trans people, leftist rhetoric, et cetera. And this is
(16:09):
the primordial ooze for these politically motivated attacks. So what
I'm gonna do is I'm going to share some data
for folks that feel like they need to push back.
Maybe you use this clip, maybe you use these talking points.
Either way, if you end up in those circles talking
(16:29):
to these people who are like, yeah, the left is
so radical, miss me with that. The right is super
radical and Donald Trump is leading the charge. So this
comes from kto dot org. From folks that are not familiar,
I'll introduce you to kto dot org. For more than
(16:51):
forty years. This is from their website. By the way,
for more than forty years, CATO has led the charge
for liberty in our nation and around the world. The
CATO incant is an assiduously non partisan and independent public
policy research organization or think tank that creates a presence
for and promotes libertarian ideas and policy debates. So that's
(17:13):
CATO dot org. You're welcome to look this up on
your own. These are not the words of Ramses and Q.
This is from an organization that tracks this stuff. Okay,
here we go. A total of three thousand, five hundred
and ninety nine people have been murdered in politically motivated
terrorist attacks in the United States from January one, nineteen
(17:34):
seventy five, through September tenth, twenty twenty five. Murders committed
in terrorist attacks account for about zero point three five
percent of all murders since nineteen seventy five. Only eighty
one happened since twenty twenty, accounting for a point zero
seven percent of all murders during that time, or seven
(17:54):
out of ten thousand. Terrorism is the broadest reasonable definition
of politically motivated murder because it is the threatened or
actual use of illegal force and violence by a non
state actor to attain political, economic, religious, or social goals
through coercion, fear, or intimidation. That excludes individual hate crimes,
(18:16):
which are frequently difficult to distinguish from terrorism but are
often more personal and spontaneous. Eighty three percent of those
murdered since nineteen seventy five were killed by the nine
to eleven terrorists. And there's a chart figure one. Okay,
so that's eighty three percent of the almost thirty six
hundred right there. Okay, nine to eleven The Oklahoma City
(18:39):
bombing accounts for about another five percent. Those murdered since
twenty twenty account for just two percent. Terrorists inspired by
Islamic ideology are responsible for eighty seven percent of those
murdered in attacks on US soil since nineteen seventy five.
And I want to be very responsible when I say that, okay,
(19:00):
because the Islamic terrorists that are responsible for those attacks
are not representatives of Islam, the faith that more than
a billion people on this planet practice. Islam is a
faith of peace. It's like if people were to say
Christianity is a faith of peace, but you took the
(19:23):
KKK's version of Christianity to paint all Christians. That's not
what we're doing with this data. Okay, But this is like,
I call it an extreme right version of Islamic attacks. Okay,
I'll continue. Since nineteen seventy five, Okay, right wingers are
the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for three hundred
(19:46):
and ninety one murders and eleven percent of the total.
The definition here of right wing terrorists include those motivated
by white supremacy, anti abortion beliefs, involuntary cellabus or in cells,
and other right wing ideologies. Okay. Now, now again, eleven
(20:06):
percent of the total right wing. Left wing terrorists murdered
sixty five people, or about two percent of the total. Okay,
so we're going from eleven percent right wing two percent
left wing. Okay. Left wing terrorists include those motivated by
black nationalism, anti police sentiment, communism, socialism, animal rights, environmentalism,
(20:31):
anti white ideologies, and other left wing ideologies. Those murders
that are politically motivated by unknown or other ideologies are
a vanishingly small percentage, which is unsurprising because terrorists typically
want attention for their causes. So, Q, I talked a lot,
(20:53):
and I want to give you as long a legs
as you need. You got, you know, a better part
of six minutes, seven minutes whatever. Talk to me.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
A better part of six minutes to talk about something
that you said. And I'll keep saying what I'm saying.
I know it's a lie, but I'll keep saying it
until it's not. And then I'll say I told you so.
(21:29):
That very very small percentage that you just talked about,
when it ends up being someone who's left thinking, I
bet money that in almost every case it's retaliatory. You've
just been stomping on me for so long that I
(21:52):
had to hit back. And that takes me back to
by the time I was in college. I was at
a party, strolling with the brahs, you know, and I
ended up in a conversation with a really, really pretty
young lady like I stepped out of the line to
(22:12):
speak to her, and as I was talking to her,
a massive fight broke out. And how this is chronicle
took for me to not be in that line and
see who started the fire. Let's just say me and
(22:36):
mine are the left and the other guys are the right. Now,
one of my guys had a younger brother who was
still in high school at this party with us. As
you can imagine, all of us are on the football team.
His younger brother is not, and he's in high school
(22:57):
and we are grown men.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And it looks like that if you're at the.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Party and someone on the right, for the sake of
the story, punched him in the face, and it was unexpected.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
He could not defend himself. He was blindsided.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
But then a fight broke out, and for some reason,
as I turned to kind of look around and see
what was going on, I got hit in the back
of the head and ended up on the bottom of
this fight and ramses. I got stomped out, and I
(23:43):
did my best to cover my face in my head,
but if you're using your arms and elbows to cover
your face and head, as you can imagine, everything else
is exposed. And I'm being attacked right by the right,
over and over and over and over and over. Eventually, however,
(24:10):
I realize I'm getting beat down, but I have not
been beat into submission. And I cannot lay here on
the ground, balled up forever because no one's coming to help.
Apparently no one thinks it's wrong that all of these
(24:30):
guys are stomping me out right now. So I collected myself.
There's an interesting thing that happens when you're getting jumped,
or I guess in fights in general. But people fight
to a rhythm. They throw kicks and punches in combination,
(24:51):
and there's a timing to it. And after what was
probably two minutes but felt like five days of me
being stomped out, I caught the rhythm of excuse me
of one of the guys, and I grabbed his timberlain
(25:14):
boot and then his leg and snatched his leg from
a bunder him. He fell very hard on the ground,
and that gave me enough space to stand up and ramses,
what do you think happened? Once I stood up got
(25:36):
out of there, I was handcuffed by a police officer
against the wall.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
That sucks, but.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I became the left wing, responded, I became the left
thinking quote unquote terrorists, because right get called terrorists when
it's us. When it's them, they're having a hard day
and it's a mental health break and they just need
prayers and forgiveness and grace and empathy. Right, So all
(26:12):
that was me being oppressed, stepped on, having resources taken
away from me, you know, sought out because I looked
different or thought different, or loved different or prayed different.
But when I finally said this is enough and retaliated,
I was the only person being handcuffed. And that's how
(26:38):
this often works. I don't know every case that that
data shows when the attacks come from the left, but
we know it's overwhelmingly right. And I just be willing
to bet that some of those left thinking quote unquote terrorists.
We're just tired of getting stuff pumped out
Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to
welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our
mission is to foster allyship, empathy and understanding. I'm your host,
ramses Ja.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
He is ramses Jaw, I am q Ward. You are
tuned in the Civic Cipher, and.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
We need you to stick around because today we are
going to be talking about a couple of interesting things
that have been developing. First, we're going to talk about
the hate and the Maga movement. We're also going to
spend some time talking about who actually commits more political
violence in the USA. And later in the show, we're
going to be talking to a friend of the show,
Jessica Klottfelter, who is in the middle of the ocean
(00:35):
right now on a flotilla on her way toward Gaza
with the Veterans Delegation of the Global Samood Flotilla and
the Veterans about Face organization. You can find her on
all social media at Bay Franklin. But yeah, stick around
for that and so much more. But we're going to
start off, as always with some ebony excellence. And I
(00:56):
know Q you know a lot about these folks, So
why don't You Share It.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
To Today's Ebney Excellence brought to you by bi N
The daughters of activists Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Junior,
walked the runway during New York Fashion Week along with
other civil rights icons over the weekend. Actively Black and
ath Leisure brand founded by Lanny Smith, highlighted key figures
of the civil rights movement during its New York Fashion
Week show. Doctor Bernice King and doctor Ilyasha Shabaz model
(01:24):
sweatshirts honoring their fathers, doctor Martin Luther King Junior and
Malcolm X, respectively, as they shrutted down the catwalk side
by side. Smith also recognized their mothers, Coretta Scott King
and Betty Shabbaz during the show. Ruby Bridges, seventy one,
who became the first African American child to integrate an
all white school at age six, also walked the Activity
(01:46):
Black show. Ahead of her runway walk, Smith featured footage
of reactions to Bridges' activism in the sixties. A young
model then took the catwalk, accompanied by two men who
represented the federal agents sent to protect Bridges and escort.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Her to and from school.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Photographer Cecil Williams who was photographed drinking from a whites
only fountain in nineteen fifty six, a very very historic photo,
walk the show as well, wearing a sweatshirt with a
colorized version of that iconic civil rights moment on it.
During the Active Black event, Ben Haith, who designed the
Juneteenth Flag in nineteen ninety seven, also shrutted down the runway,
garnering roars, cheers and applause one time for Actively Black.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Now the hate in MAGA. All right, you know what
I'll do. I'll start this off how I should start
it off. So there is a creator. His name is
Khalil Green at Khalil dot green. If you want to
check him out, please give him a follow. This is
his content we're going to share with you again at
(02:52):
Khalil dot green. And I will explain why this was
significant to me in just a second. And I'm gonna
get Q's response, and I think it'll be really special.
So here in his own words is Khalil dot Green.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So I haven't really heard anyone say this, but the
callous memes and jokes about Charlie Kirk's murder are a
direct byproduct of the didn't do nothing era. And if
you don't know what, didn't do nothing means then you
need to watch this video, and if you do, you
should stay because a lot of this will resonate with you.
So let trewinds of the early twenty tens. Imagine you
come home, you turn the news and you hear about
Trayvon Martin, who was a seventeen year old that was
(03:30):
shot and killed by vigilante while holding a bag of skills.
Or you see the footage of twelve year old Tamy
or Rice who was shot and killed by police while
holding a toy gun. Or Eric Garner being choked to
death while saying that he couldn't breathe, or Sandra Bland
who was wrongfully arrested and later found dead in jail.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
For many of you who were adults at.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
The time, the tragedy in horror as terrible as it
was pretty much ended there with the killings themselves and
reconciling the injustice that happened. But the rest of us
Z millennials, who were mostly children at the time, the
killings were just where the trauma began, because that's when
the Internet exploded with the most shocking and vile memes
and jokes about these people who had just died, and
(04:13):
the didn't do nothing meme was practically the face of
this era. It was an ignorant and purposely fake African
American English way of saying he didn't do anything as
a way for online trolls and racists to mock grieving
black families who claim that their loved ones were unarmed
and undeserving of death. But make no mistake, it was
not just this one meme. There was actually a whole
(04:33):
ecosystem of cruel and edgy content that was meant to
desensitize people and normalize making fun of black people dying.
For example, this was a trend called trayvonning, where white
teenagers would dress up in a hoodie and lie face
down with skittles and a can of soda to mock
the way in which Trayvon Martin's dead body was found,
and more recently we had the George Floyd challenge, which
(04:56):
is pretty self explanatory. This sort of online cruelty was
found for the alt right pipeline with no regard for
the families of the victims of police violence and little
regard for the facts, and this to humanizing content was
born in the dark corners of websites like Reddit and
four chan, but what started out as edgy jokes in
those places spilled over into YouTube comments, Facebook threads, and
(05:18):
eventually mainstream concervative discourse. And while Charlie Kirk might not
have been at the beginning of this phenomenon, nor was
he necessarily the furthest right, he absolutely benefited from its
culture and actively participated in its expansion. He spread content
that told lies and was meant to smear figures like
Breonna Taylor and George Floyd soon after, if not immediately after,
(05:38):
they were killed. And just to add on to that,
a lot of people are focusing on only the direct
quotes from Charlie Kirk himself, but that leaves out the
organization that he founded and just how badly it contributed
to this issue. Now back then until now, many activists
have said the solution is to teach people about why
it's wrong to dehumanize others and implement stronger and smart
(06:00):
content moderation against hate speech. Instead, right wing voices and
Silicon Valley executives called that woke and just tore down
all the rules. Of course, this made things worse and
fueled even worse radicalization. For example, I recently wrote about
the George Droid meme and how crazy and depraved this
culture of mocking death had become in the wake of
(06:20):
recent changes on platforms that allow unfiltered hate speech. But
all of that fell on deaf ears of course, until now.
But I want to make something very clear. It is
definitive that this morbid internet culture originates on the right,
more specifically the meme lords of four Chan and read it,
the politicians and public figures that normalized and emboldened them,
(06:43):
and the social media companies that make money by fending
the flames of all of this, and that has radicalized
and desensitized both sides of the political spectrum. And we
try to warn you before it backfired. But that's all
I can fit in this video. If you're my full
sa on the topic, go to my substack at history
can't Hide dot com or on Instagram. Just come on
the word newsletter below to be dm a link. So again,
(07:10):
that's at Khalil dot green.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
If you want to, you know, see the images because
obviously we can't show you the images if you're listening
on radio. But those didn't do nothing. Memes and the
George Droid memes and all that sort of stuff, and
all the racist language and obviously the profane you know content. Uh,
(07:35):
it hits different when you actually see what he's talking about. Right.
The George Floyd Challenge, for instance, is a challenge where
you know, white kids would kneel on the neck of
another kid and you know, hashtag George Floyd challenge. You know,
so when I saw this, and I knew that there
was parts of the Internet that I was unfamiliar with, right,
(07:58):
you know, we we have to peak around in you know,
far right circles I and more me than Q just
to kind of bear in mind what it is they're
talking about, what it is they're complaining about, just so
we give our listeners what they need to challenge narratives
that might be developing on the right and the far right.
But you know, because we only peek around over there,
(08:19):
we have to preserve our own mental well being. We
miss some things we're not over there constantly. Right, So
this didn't do nothing, which is another like racial slur
basically didn't do nothing. Is again the term that people
(08:40):
would use to describe a black person who was killed
because of the police or because of you know something,
and there was no justice for those people, and these
families were greeting. One of the things that I'd done
historically on both of our shows is I tried to
leave a lot of grace and will still continue to
(09:01):
do that, to leave a lot of grace for people
who realize that they're wrong, who realized that they were
participating in hateful behaviors, just because I know that people
are on various journeys, and you know, I have to
be the person if no one else will be this
(09:23):
person that will allow folks to come over and give
them a hug and say welcome back home.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It sounds silly, but that's just how my heart beats. Okay,
But I had no idea that the hate ran that
deep for so long. And Q, I know you're going
to let our listeners know that you did try to
tell me over and over again. But for so long,
I thought people were simply just uninformed, or I thought
they were you know, who knows. You know, I think
(09:51):
that I provided a lot of excuses because the idea
that people just wanted to be hateful and wanted to
be cruel and wanted to be mean was just so
unconscionable for me, And to be fair, I recognize that
meme culture is for young people, and young people make
mistakes and they're still figuring out who they are. But
this is so vile and so hurtful that it feels like,
(10:11):
you know, the hate in the maga movement runs a
lot deeper than I originally thought, Q, please.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Didn't do nothing. What you have to take into consideration
is that that's making fun of the loved ones of
those fallen, not the fallen. It's insulting to the fallen,
But it's making fun of the idea, right you and I,
(10:39):
he didn't do nothing. It's poking fun at those of
us who are hurt and offended and grieving and mourning.
They're insulting. They're not honoring the dead, but they're like
pointing and laughing at us like Nana, n Nana, like oh, yeah,
(11:00):
you didn't do nothing. So it's such as it's a
deeper level of cruel, hateful rhetoric. And these same people
will call us disgusting for not solemnly and in reverence
(11:27):
and in solidarity to God and country, paying homage and
showing respect and mourning sadly in the wake of the
demise of someone like Charlie Kirk. Honor their heroes, no
(11:48):
matter how vile they are, no matter how they spoke
about you and those you care about. But when it
comes to not your heroes, but your children, your fathers,
your mothers, your neighbors, your friends, your children, your daughters,
they make memes about it and collectively laugh about it.
(12:09):
The leader's depundents, the talk show hosts all of them.
So for us, it's the blatant hypocrisy over and over again.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Now we're going to talk about who is truly responsible
for politically motivated attacks in this country. And the reason
we're going to talk about this is because we've heard
from the president and everyone, the vice president, you name it,
(12:45):
everybody who's in power right now where they'll put a
camera in front of their face in a microphone for
everyone say it's the left that is radicalizing people. You
can't call people Nazis and not expect, you know, folks
to try to attack them, you know, on and on
and on pointing fingers at the left, suggesting that that
(13:07):
is the source of all the problems in terms of like,
you know, political attacks, and completely ignoring it's like that
they started a thing, you know what I mean, Like,
who really set this whole country off? You know, Donald Trump.
Since Donald Trump started becoming critical of Barack Obama in
(13:31):
the White House and the birther movement where he suggested
to the country that Obama was an invalid president because
he wasn't born in the United States, demanding to see
his birth certificate, et cetera. This country has started on
a path since that time of being increasingly divided. It's singular,
(13:56):
and you know, people could point to Barack Obama all
they want, but it was domin Trump that took the
the faction that didn't want to see him in office
and invested in it and played the greatest hits, white
Folk's greatest hits to that group and has been successful
(14:18):
in growing that movement, or maybe not growing it. Maybe
that movement already had the numbers and we just didn't know.
But you know, giving validity, I suppose to that movement
and giving them a mouthpiece in this country. Now, this
is the same Donald Trump. You know what we're talking
(14:40):
about politically motivated attacks. This is the same Donald Trump
that has been very had had very violent, incendiary speech.
You know, I could shoot in somebody in my followers,
I wouldn't lose a follower. You know, he's the one
that organized the January sixth in So hang Mike Pence,
(15:02):
all that sort of stuff. That's Donald Trump, you know,
and his speeches and his ramblings are full of this
type of rhetoric. So for this group of people to
blame the right, or sorry, blame the left, it feels
like what they do, you know what I mean, It's
(15:23):
almost like if I say something enough times, it'll become true,
even if it's not true, even if it's not scientific,
even if it's not database, even if it's not journalistic,
if it has no integrity whatsoever. If I just say
it enough times, it becomes true. And we're going to
talk later in the show about Donald Trump, in his
own words, saying, smart people don't like me because smart
(15:45):
people will not blindly accept something just because he says it.
But there are enough people in this country that will
accept things just because he says it. So he just
says it over and over again, and then that's how
it gets chronicled. That's the narrative that gets chronicled. Right,
So what they're doing now is saying over and over
again trans people, leftist rhetoric, et cetera. And this is
(16:09):
the primordial ooze for these politically motivated attacks. So what
I'm gonna do is I'm going to share some data
for folks that feel like they need to push back.
Maybe you use this clip, maybe you use these talking points.
Either way, if you end up in those circles talking
(16:29):
to these people who are like, yeah, the left is
so radical, miss me with that. The right is super
radical and Donald Trump is leading the charge. So this
comes from kto dot org. From folks that are not familiar,
I'll introduce you to kto dot org. For more than
(16:51):
forty years. This is from their website. By the way,
for more than forty years, CATO has led the charge
for liberty in our nation and around the world. The
CATO incant is an assiduously non partisan and independent public
policy research organization or think tank that creates a presence
for and promotes libertarian ideas and policy debates. So that's
(17:13):
CATO dot org. You're welcome to look this up on
your own. These are not the words of Ramses and Q.
This is from an organization that tracks this stuff. Okay,
here we go. A total of three thousand, five hundred
and ninety nine people have been murdered in politically motivated
terrorist attacks in the United States from January one, nineteen
(17:34):
seventy five, through September tenth, twenty twenty five. Murders committed
in terrorist attacks account for about zero point three five
percent of all murders since nineteen seventy five. Only eighty
one happened since twenty twenty, accounting for a point zero
seven percent of all murders during that time, or seven
(17:54):
out of ten thousand. Terrorism is the broadest reasonable definition
of politically motivated murder because it is the threatened or
actual use of illegal force and violence by a non
state actor to attain political, economic, religious, or social goals
through coercion, fear, or intimidation. That excludes individual hate crimes,
(18:16):
which are frequently difficult to distinguish from terrorism but are
often more personal and spontaneous. Eighty three percent of those
murdered since nineteen seventy five were killed by the nine
to eleven terrorists. And there's a chart figure one. Okay,
so that's eighty three percent of the almost thirty six
hundred right there. Okay, nine to eleven The Oklahoma City
(18:39):
bombing accounts for about another five percent. Those murdered since
twenty twenty account for just two percent. Terrorists inspired by
Islamic ideology are responsible for eighty seven percent of those
murdered in attacks on US soil since nineteen seventy five.
And I want to be very responsible when I say that, okay,
(19:00):
because the Islamic terrorists that are responsible for those attacks
are not representatives of Islam, the faith that more than
a billion people on this planet practice. Islam is a
faith of peace. It's like if people were to say
Christianity is a faith of peace, but you took the
(19:23):
KKK's version of Christianity to paint all Christians. That's not
what we're doing with this data. Okay, But this is like,
I call it an extreme right version of Islamic attacks. Okay,
I'll continue. Since nineteen seventy five, Okay, right wingers are
the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for three hundred
(19:46):
and ninety one murders and eleven percent of the total.
The definition here of right wing terrorists include those motivated
by white supremacy, anti abortion beliefs, involuntary cellabus or in cells,
and other right wing ideologies. Okay. Now, now again, eleven
(20:06):
percent of the total right wing. Left wing terrorists murdered
sixty five people, or about two percent of the total. Okay,
so we're going from eleven percent right wing two percent
left wing. Okay. Left wing terrorists include those motivated by
black nationalism, anti police sentiment, communism, socialism, animal rights, environmentalism,
(20:31):
anti white ideologies, and other left wing ideologies. Those murders
that are politically motivated by unknown or other ideologies are
a vanishingly small percentage, which is unsurprising because terrorists typically
want attention for their causes. So, Q, I talked a lot,
(20:53):
and I want to give you as long a legs
as you need. You got, you know, a better part
of six minutes, seven minutes whatever. Talk to me.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
A better part of six minutes to talk about something
that you said. And I'll keep saying what I'm saying.
I know it's a lie, but I'll keep saying it
until it's not. And then I'll say I told you so.
(21:29):
That very very small percentage that you just talked about,
when it ends up being someone who's left thinking, I
bet money that in almost every case it's retaliatory. You've
just been stomping on me for so long that I
(21:52):
had to hit back. And that takes me back to
by the time I was in college. I was at
a party, strolling with the brahs, you know, and I
ended up in a conversation with a really, really pretty
young lady like I stepped out of the line to
(22:12):
speak to her, and as I was talking to her,
a massive fight broke out. And how this is chronicle
took for me to not be in that line and
see who started the fire. Let's just say me and
(22:36):
mine are the left and the other guys are the right. Now,
one of my guys had a younger brother who was
still in high school at this party with us. As
you can imagine, all of us are on the football team.
His younger brother is not, and he's in high school
(22:57):
and we are grown men.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And it looks like that if you're at the.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Party and someone on the right, for the sake of
the story, punched him in the face, and it was unexpected.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
He could not defend himself. He was blindsided.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
But then a fight broke out, and for some reason,
as I turned to kind of look around and see
what was going on, I got hit in the back
of the head and ended up on the bottom of
this fight and ramses. I got stomped out, and I
(23:43):
did my best to cover my face in my head,
but if you're using your arms and elbows to cover
your face and head, as you can imagine, everything else
is exposed. And I'm being attacked right by the right,
over and over and over and over and over. Eventually, however,
(24:10):
I realize I'm getting beat down, but I have not
been beat into submission. And I cannot lay here on
the ground, balled up forever because no one's coming to help.
Apparently no one thinks it's wrong that all of these
(24:30):
guys are stomping me out right now. So I collected myself.
There's an interesting thing that happens when you're getting jumped,
or I guess in fights in general. But people fight
to a rhythm. They throw kicks and punches in combination,
(24:51):
and there's a timing to it. And after what was
probably two minutes but felt like five days of me
being stomped out, I caught the rhythm of excuse me
of one of the guys, and I grabbed his timberlain
(25:14):
boot and then his leg and snatched his leg from
a bunder him. He fell very hard on the ground,
and that gave me enough space to stand up and ramses,
what do you think happened? Once I stood up got
(25:36):
out of there, I was handcuffed by a police officer
against the wall.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
That sucks, but.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I became the left wing, responded, I became the left
thinking quote unquote terrorists, because right get called terrorists when
it's us. When it's them, they're having a hard day
and it's a mental health break and they just need
prayers and forgiveness and grace and empathy. Right, So all
(26:12):
that was me being oppressed, stepped on, having resources taken
away from me, you know, sought out because I looked
different or thought different, or loved different or prayed different.
But when I finally said this is enough and retaliated,
I was the only person being handcuffed. And that's how
(26:38):
this often works. I don't know every case that that
data shows when the attacks come from the left, but
we know it's overwhelmingly right. And I just be willing
to bet that some of those left thinking quote unquote terrorists.
We're just tired of getting stuff pumped out
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