Erin Foster: Finding Your Voice & Identity

This week, Rachel Zoe speaks with writer, performer and entrepreneur, Erin Foster, about trying on different identities throughout her twenties and not knowing who she truly was at that age. But now, Erin's never been more confident in herself and her artistic and entrepreneurial abilities.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
in Keels. The show is all about celebrating extraordinary superwomen
who will be sharing their incredible journeys to the top,
all while staying glamorous. Today with me, we have writer, performer,
and entrepreneur Aaron Foster on the pod. You may remember
her sister Sarah, who was on a few weeks back,

(00:29):
and in this episode, Aarin talks about trying on different
identities throughout her twenties and not knowing who she truly
was at that age until really much more recently, but
now clearly Aarin feels more comfortable in herself than ever
before and is so proud of all that she's accomplishing.
And I've been lucky enough to watch a big part
of her journey. And I'm pretty sure I'm the number

(00:53):
one fan of Aaron Foster and always have been and
will continue to be and I cannot wait to see
what she does next because she's living her dreams. I
am so excited for you all to listen to this episode. Honestly,
it was such a good conversation. One of my favorite
things about Aaron is she's a stray shooter. She absolutely

(01:15):
is just incredibly self aware and you know, and I
think she's very candid about her feelings about herself, her journey.
She's very humble, And again, I think it's important to
note that, you know, some of the guests I've had
on the podcast have admittedly grown up in privilege, and
I just want to really point out that that doesn't
mean it makes the ride easier. It really doesn't, not

(01:37):
for everybody. And I think that we're all human and
we all have very real human challenges and insecurities, and
I think, you know, Aarin speaks very openly about that,
and I think it'll be very helpful for a lot
of you to learn that despite sort of the splashy
sort of images that you may have of people that

(02:00):
are very real people with very real life you know,
challenges and victories and triumphs. But Aaron is incredible. She's
very impressive and very real.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
So I love this one.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
I always like to start a little bit because obviously
I've known you for a bajillion years.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
It feels like, but of what kind of kid was
Aaron Foster like?

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Were you like quirky and weird and outgoing, or like
super shy and awkward and didn't want to go to
school or like, who were you?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Are you the same? Are you different?

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (02:33):
I think I'm different, hopefully hopefully. I was very like
I really needed a lot of attention. I was really
like the funny kid in class and like always acting out.
I did very badly in school. I really hated school.
I just felt like you did. I would think of
you as like.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
A good student.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
I was good, and I was well behaved, and I
was all the things, but I didn't like being a
student at all. I would have started working at like
twelve if I could have.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Right, Yeah, you were just very like entrepreneurial.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I think I was just not great at following the
rules and I didn't want it. Didn't feel like I
learned the same way that other kids were learning, and
so I would get really frustrated, and so I would
like act out and I was always like rebelling against things.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I was always just pushing back on so many things.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
And I wasn't ever just like calm the hell down
and just like you know, enjoy being a kid.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I was just always like fighting something.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
And so I was then like a really frustrated teenager
and you know, growing up in a big, complicated family.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
It kind of added to a lot.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Of my passe because I didn't know, like what's my position?
Like I really wanted to stand out, and that was
really a big part of me, like when I first
met you, like dying my hair red, dying my hair black,
and having all these identities that I was trying on
because I was just so scared of being like forgettable
or not interesting, and so I was always trying to
make like a big statement and it just wasn't very

(03:57):
authentic to me.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Okay, that's so interesting. I've done so interesting.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay because now I like because now I think about
it in hindsight, and then it was just sort of
like what is Aaron doing? Like to me, I was
like it was sort of you were clearly like having identity,
like who do I want to be? I'm trying to
figure myself out and I think we all do that,
but I think it was this funny thing where I
was just I remember when you went back to like blonde.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
And it was it was this huge thing where I
was like.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Huh, okay, I was like, Sue, it's kind of like
it was almost like not like she found herself.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
But like, I think this is like she's done.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Like a circle, Like I finally gave up this. Yeah,
I think I was just so didn't want to be
a blonde girl in LA that felt so basic to me,
and it felt like there are so many girls like that,
I'll never stand out, like I won't be special, so
I have to do something outside the box.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
And so I was always trying to create an identity
for myself.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
I think that your twenties is a lot about that
for a lot of people. Sure, mine was just maybe
more like external and obvious for people to see.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
But I think people, especially.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Women, are really trying on a lot of different identities
in the twenties. And then sometimes you take an identity
on because of a relationship. And I did plenty of
that as well. And so I you know, as an
adult now sitting here at forty years old, I'm like,
you know, it's still kind of uncomfortable for me to
forgive myself for being so like immature about that for

(05:29):
so long and so not knowing who I was for
so long.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
I wish I had just like taken a deep breath and.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Accepted myself for who I was and settled into it
sooner because it's just sort of like lost time in
some ways.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, I understand that, I do. I understand that.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I know, but you know then, but don't you in
a way feel like I feel more and more and
I feel like it's really helped me a little bit.
I feel like every single chapter it was almost like this.
It's like laying brick right, and it's like I feel
like you laid so many bricks to actually get to
the place you're in now, which in my opinion is

(06:08):
like this epic place professionally personally, but yes, like it
was a road. I mean, I've seen the road it was.
It was a road, but I feel like that road.
But think about it the other way. What if you
did figure that out right like a lot of people do,
and then all this stuff that I've been younger, you
might be upside down and backwards now.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah, life is long in a lot of ways, and
it can be short, but it can also be long,
and so I do think that, you know, however windy
the path is that gets you where you need to go.
You just have to be moving in a forward direction,
even if it's very slowly. You have to move in
some type of forward direction. And I do think that
it's really easy to blame a lot of different external factors.

(06:49):
You can blame bad boyfriends, or bad bosses, or of
opportunity family for sure, bad friends, Like you can blame
a lot of things, pressures and stuff. But really and
truly you have to take responsibility for yourself because the victim,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
You can't be a victim.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Like you could have toxic family, you could have toxic friends,
you could have bad opportunities, shitty bosses, you could have
bad boyfriends. Absolutely, but like at the end of the day,
you are responsible for yourself, and so you have to
either take yourself out of those situations or cut off
the family relationships that are toxic for you or change
your expectations of them. But you can't let it like

(07:30):
sink you to the bottom and then blame everybody because
even if you're right, it.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Doesn't get you anywhere.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
So it took me a long time for me to
stop blaming other people and other things because I wanted
to have like an excuse. You know, well, it's not
my fault, I'm this way, it's this person's fault, to
that person's fault, to this bad relationship. But like you know,
I was the one picking those people and I was
the one, you know, getting.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Myself in those situations.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
So even if it's not like it's not about blaming yourself,
I think it's just sort of some point.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
You have to take yourself out of that rotation.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, well, it's polarizing, and it ultimately like trips you
up Right, I always say the biggest obstacle in my
life has always been me, and I think a lot
of times to your point, you're just tripping over yourself. Right,
we're in our heads and listen, in all fairness, all
of those things do influence your behavior and how it
impacts you and the decisions you make in your life, right,

(08:24):
whether it's a tough family, whether it's friends, boyfriends, whatever
it is. But I do think that all of those things,
while brutal at times, they do help shape you because
ultimately it's your reaction to these things, which is what
you're saying, it's how you actually choose to deal with things.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
And it was interesting because Tina Turner just said something
like that because she obviously came out of like one
of the most tumultuous situations and came out very much
on top and happy. And what she said is like
for every bad situation you can sort of take, you
can let it take you down, right, But it's really
how you choose to become positive in that moment and
make a positive out of it and how you react

(09:05):
positively to that situation. And that really hit me because
I think, to your point, otherwise, we're just a victim
our entire.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Lives of a situation, even if you are a victim, right,
like she was a victim of literally violence, right, So
even if you are a victim, look at yourself as
a victim and playing the victim card, like where does
it get you?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
It doesn't get you anywhere. It can get you.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Sympathy from people, absolutely, but like that doesn't really take
you anywhere.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
So you can do it, you can have.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
My mom used kind of always say like I would
allow myself like a little pity party or like one
day and then I get back out of bed and
then I start over again.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, because what else are you going to do? We
don't have a choice, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Well you do, And I think that choice once you
sort of to your point for you later in life.
I mean, listen, I think for me later in life,
I got to that point where I'm like, ah, like
these toxic people, no, no, no, no, I'm just going to
keep going right. And so for you, you know, I
feel like you've made so many kind of like transitions.

(10:04):
To me, you've always been the same person, right Like,
to me, you've always been the same person. You've always
been this straight shooter, very courageous. I don't feel like
you've ever followed like society norm that's not your thing
at all. I felt like when everyone was like running
around trying to like spend every diamond dollar on like
an irma's bag, you were like, Nope, I'm cool with anthropology,

(10:25):
like you.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Know, or like whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
You're like, I got this at Anthropology on sale was
seventeen ninety nine, and you looked cooler than everyone in
the room.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
So like, I just think, to.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Me, you've actually always stayed your most authentic self and
thank you. What I really think is like, it's not
shocking to me that you become such a successful like writer,
and you have so much to say about so many things.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Let's be real, so many things to.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Say, so many things to say, but so okay, so
let's just take you from student for a second. So
you go through school, you obviously went through high school
and everything. Did you go to college or no, no,
okay to college? Did you have any And I talk
about this on the podcast because I am a firm
believer that education in no way defines us at all.

(11:14):
In fact, I'm going to say eighty percent of the
women that I've had on the podcast have not gone
to college. Some didn't graduate high school. So I don't
care either way. I just I say it because I
think it doesn't have any bearing on your future unless
you unless you choose to have that as.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
A thing in your future.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
And I think some women I've spoken to it was
like this chip for them throughout their adult life. And
some were like, never even thought about it, never even
looked back. So like you knew you weren't a student,
so you knew you weren't going to.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Go to college. So then what happened?

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Because your dad is not the person that's going to
be like, Okay, well come live with me. You're going
to support you for the next twenty years. So no,
definitely not.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
I really just I got a doob right out of
school at got a doob at Warner Brothers Records, Natalie Random.
I didn't know fully what I wanted to do, so
I was like, maybe I want to in the music business,
Maybe I want to be an actress, maybe I want
to be I just couldn't. I couldn't figure it out.
So I figured out after like two years, I didn't
want to be in the music business. It wasn't for me.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
And then I wanted to be an actress for a.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
While, and honestly, like I spent a lot of time
trying to be an actress and it really wasn't something
that felt like it was like myself, and so that
wasn't like the most productive time throughout my twenties trying
to chase that thing. And it wasn't until I really
figured out my side, my writing side, that I really decided, oh,
this is something that's right for me. So that was

(12:33):
probably around like twenty six twenty seven. I started like
blogging when that was the thing, and started cultivating what
voice I had, and that's when I started being really
honest and open about things. I was thinking, feelings, seeing
and that's when I kind of noticed people being uncomfortable
at how honest I wanted to be about things and

(12:57):
telling me to stop, you know, like this, this is weird.
Don't overshare that stuff like that's too personal. And this
is before the internet was what it is today, so
you didn't really have these like outlets for people. You
didn't see every person's you know, inner waking, dying thought.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
No, they only showed the glossy highlights on anything. There
was no personal de mystifying anything exactly.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
So the idea that I was being open about things
on a blog was like very bizarre to some people.
And so that was sort of a turning point where
I thought, Okay, I can either get embarrassed and like
shut down and go along with what people are telling
me to do, or I can do the thing that
feels genuine to me and.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Write about this rejection or write about this insecurity or
this you know whatever the thing would be. Yes, And that's.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
When I started getting traction, Like that's when I started seeing, oh,
a lot of people are sharing this article and like
a lot of people are referencing this thing, and people
are relating to it, and I'm getting you know, emails
from women, And that's when I kind of noticed, like, oh,
I think that is something I always thought was a
flaw of mine might actually be like a powerful thing

(14:10):
that I have. And so that's when I started trusting
my instincts a lot more and it just changed everything.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Well, it's funny because when you say that, like you
weren't a good student and you hated school, and yet
here you are as a writer, which is kind of
ironic because writing, in my opinion, is actually very difficult.
And writing is and I know that because I actually
lived with a writer when I was in college. Yeah,
my friends, Well, do you know Brian Burns. He's a Yes,

(14:43):
So Brian and I lived together in college because he
was dating my roommate and we're still super super close friends.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Isn't he married to Christy He's married to Kelly, Christie's sister,
and Edwards.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Ed is married to Christy and Brian is married to Kelly,
her sister.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, and I kind of saw the life of a
writer right, and it's it's not easy, but it's it is,
but it's incredibly cerebral. It's incredibly like because I actually
love writing, but I could never be a writer because
you have to write right and there's.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
No like ugh, b locked like love.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
And I think it's a really tremendous gift and talent
to be able to write, and especially for film or television,
because it's like you're not just writing for like you
to say things. You're writing for people other people that
you like. No, don't know, but it's it's a wild concept.
And I think I want to go back to one
thing because you thought you said as a child you

(15:42):
needed a lot of attention. It's funny because I don't
think of you as like this big attention person, but
you tried to be an actor that did not feel
organic to you, and like so then you flipped into
being a writer. And the reason I go to that
is because one is so in front and one is
so impact right, I personally like love you as both,

(16:04):
to be honest, totally unbiased, but just because you know,
Barely Famous was maybe the funniest show ever on television
that should still be on. But I think my question
is are you more comfortable being behind than in front?
Like where do you feel is like natural to you,
organic to you.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
I definitely feel more comfortable behind, yeah, but when we
did Barely Famous, I felt comfortable in front also because
I was in so much control that I was able
to control.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
What we were doing, and you know, I was writing it.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
You know with Sarah, so we were able to like
decide the stories we were telling and it was really fun.
But you know, it's like when Sarah and I do
photo shoots for favorite daughter, I have so much anxiety.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Oh my god, joy. Yeah, I can't tell anymore at
all time.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, I don't like it, and so I really do
prefer being in the background.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
And it's not like I am I'm.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Really comfortable like public speaking, going up at an event
or something. It's just I don't like that pressure sure
to feel like young and hot and skinny all the time.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
I don't like that pressure.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
And it is right, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
It really is.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
So I'd much rather walk into a room as a
writer and feel no pressure, and so I'll be like,
oh my god, he looks so cute and be surprised
by it.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I think that makes a ton of sense. And by
the way I get it, I mean, I'm I'm way
more comfortable behind. Okay, So let's go back to like
dating for a second, because I mean, you married probably
my favorite guy out there besides my own and even
maybe sometimes I love Simon more than.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
I love but but I think for all the like funny.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
And I say funny because I know that's just lightning
something that for you is very long and arduous, the
dating process and the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
But like so all of a sudden, you're this happily.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Married converted to Judy as living like I mean, as
you said, like he's your person, right and he really
is just gold jackpie. And so I feel like, in
my opinion, totally like unbiased.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Totally worth the wait. And but like at.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Any point did you have have you ever had that
moment where you woke up and said, oh my god,
like its just like hat like ah, some I'm just
like this married person like sitting at home and like
did you ever like have an identity crisis sort of
post marriage or were you just so ready that you
were like this is I'm happiest, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (18:34):
How many?

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Does that work?

Speaker 4 (18:35):
No? I think, well, it's so funny, Like I still
can't believe I'm married sometimes, like Simon and I still
love each other and we're like we're too young to
be married and we're really old. It's run because I'm
sure everyone feels that way, you know, Simon and I
both freaked out right after we got married on our honeymoon. Yeah,
we fully like I had like a panic attack, and

(18:56):
I don't know what it was, because it was like
I think you're really sleep deprived, and there's so much stress,
as much pressure, and then all of a sudden, like
the pressure like valve gets released and you're like, oh, Okay,
this is supposed to be the most romantic trip.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Of our entire lives.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Like we should be insatiable for each other and we
should be like obsessed and just like eating spruit off
each other's naked bodies and like it just there's this
pressure for it to be like the most perfect trip
of all time. And you know, we got there and
we were tired, and there was like family drawma after
our wedding, and it was like we were exhausted and

(19:33):
like something got lost and the weather was bad, and
I was just like, wait, is this like not what
it's supposed to be?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Like are we not happy? Like do we not love
each other?

Speaker 4 (19:43):
I had a full panic attack, and then I slept
for like eighteen hours, right and we woke up and
we were like Okay, I think we're okay. And you
had like a leftdown I basically yeah, I think and
I had really tried not to make my self focus
on a wedding instead of a marriage, because I.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Think that happens to a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
You're obsessed with your wedding, of course, and then the
day's over and you're like, now do I look do
I look forward to it?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (20:10):
But the truth is, and I think that it really
feels like you and Roger are really good at this,
is that, like, the most exciting thing about marriage are
not the big moments, you know, it's all the small
moments watching TV alone together in bed and like laughing
about something you know on the phone together and wanting
to be.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Together, and going to bed at night and knowing.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
Exactly what kind of like position you both like to
like fall asleep in, and being this is the pillow
you like, and caring about each other, and like someone
stopping and getting the other one the coffee that they
know they like, or like it's the thing that just
makes you feel like, oh, I have a partner.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yep, It's that's the best stuff. It's just being well
suited for each other.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
And like, I think that for me, it's the domestic
bliss that I'm in that is so like simple and clean.
That is the most exciting week. I never thought that
I was going to have that. So like, you're in
a marriage with someone. You guys don't fight, You like
each other, You're sweet to each other, You're kind, you

(21:09):
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Speaker 3 (21:11):
He's appreciative of you. Like that's the dream. Yeah, that's
all anybody wants.

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(22:51):
It's it's so onnial, but you're you're right though, You're
you're very right about that, because it's funny Rogers, you know,
a couple times a year he gets these like beautiful
gifts and all these things, and really like the fact
that he gets up and goes to Starbucks at six
and is back by six twenty five and then takes
the kids to school at seven point fifteen. I'm like,

(23:13):
what you don't understand is this is everything, like the
fact that I'm literally too like one eye open and
you just handed me this.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Like Vecti store books. It's six fifteen.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I'm like, you don't understand that that's more meaningful than
anything right now, and so and I mean it, I
really do mean it, because I don't know. For me
to watch you in this and sort of having this
life and also being able to do what you love,
you just seem very at peace. And I think that,
Like I think for me just as your friend, it's

(23:44):
very obvious to me that like, okay, so it didn't
happen at twenty five, but I mean I do only
it happened like, yes, I chose my career very early,
but like I don't know that I found peace until
I was your age or more.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I mean, you know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
And piece is like it's a that's a hard thing
to find. Honestly, you can find success, but that doesn't
mean you find peace, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
No.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I think we also like we're always looking at what
else somebody else is doing and thinking, oh shit, maybe
I should be doing a little bit more of that,
or maybe I should be a little more of this,
and it really gets in your head. I really don't
believe that the same recipe works for the for everybody. No,
it's a different Yeah, there's a different formula for everyone's happiness.
But I do think there's like some main factors in

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peace of mind and happiness that sort of runs throughout humanity.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
And I don't think that it's money and fame and success.
I think those things strip you of it.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I would agree with that, and especially I think.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
It's something that you do.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
You know, you want people to think you're good at
something and like respect that you do a good job
at it, and look up to you or be able
to mentor someone. And obviously being able to sustain a
life for yourself and support your family on something that
you and enjoy doing is extremely fl It makes you
feel independent as a person, and you've been doing that
since you're so young. And for me, more like when

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I started in my thirties, I was able to actually
support myself properly and so that feels fulfilling. But I
don't need to be a billionaire to feel like I
made it. Like, No, I don't need that.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's very exhausting.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, when do you get to stop?

Speaker 4 (25:22):
You don't When do you get to stop and just
be like, Okay, I did some great things, and now
I'm going to enjoy my life, Like I don't have
an obsession with success. I want to be successful, but
I don't have an obsession that it needs to get
to like an insane place.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
That's so okay. So that's super interesting.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I want to talk about that because I think there's
this huge, like umbrella of success and what it means
to people. And I have, as I'm sure you do,
countless people in our lives who already worth billions, and
they keep starting new things, going on these big public endeavors,
Like there's a huge prominent figure right now that's launching

(26:02):
a hair care line and like God's speed. I think
that's great, but it's clearly going to take down probably
like fifty of the best smaller businesses that are inarguably succeeding.
And I literally have this reaction to it, even though
it shouldnt affect me one way or another. I was like,
can't you leave some stuff to like the little people?

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Like?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Can't you like?

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Don't you realize I like it when things kiss you off,
Nothing ever pisses you off.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
So I really like something making me mad because everything
makes me mad, and nothing makes me mad.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Things make me mad.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Things make me mad.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I get mad about like injustice and things I do.
I get not to sound like a martyr. I just
get really pissed off about things that are seemingly very
easy to sort of do the right thing, and people
just don't.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
A lot of the time.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
That sort of pisses me off. And sometimes I feel
like to get louder about things like that. But I
like what you're saying because I think that where I
think anyone would perceive you as being very successful and
at the top in many ways, right, And I'm sure
that you don't sit there thinking that about yourself. I
don't think most people do. But at the same time,

(27:11):
you're basically saying, Okay, if I am doing what I
love and I do some great work, right, I'm super happy.
Like I'm going to keep doing things that excite me. Right,
You're going to keep doing taking great opportunities collaborations, But
you don't like go to sleep at night like I
need to have this, I need to this house, I
need to make a billion dollars, I need to like when.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Is it enough?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Right?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Because I think, in my opinion, that's extremely toxic and
I and I see a lot of that here, So
how'd you get to that place where you're like, Okay,
I'm happy doing what I love. Granted there's a writer
strike right now, which you know you later, but which
is why I'm able to do this right on p.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
But I think I think that's an important thing to
talk about because I think the top is such a mystery,
right because it means something different to everybody, which is
why the work kind of scares me a little.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Growing up in la and seeing so many people at
the top who aren't happy, you know, had a big
effect on me. I think watching that thing and that
like when you get that infectious bug of success or fame, notoriety,
I think that it really becomes this like endless loop

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that you can't get out of. And I don't know
a lot of people who have all the things that
they want, who feel like they have all the things
that they want, right Like, we just don't know a.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Lot of those people.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
And so I think that the marriages that we admire
are not the person who's married to like the billionaire.
We're envious of the person who's married to someone that
makes them happy and that they laugh with and who
they're well suited for Like, those are the relationships we admire,
Like the parent piled relationships we admire are the ones

(28:58):
who have like a parent who gets them and who
they want to be around, not the parent that like
flies them private.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
So I think if you just look at that formula,
you just can clearly see those are not the elements
that were supposed to be drawing into our lives. And like,
I really believe that I really have like an abundance
mentality and it's not intentional. I just feel like kind
of like lucky to be here all the time because

(29:27):
I always felt like I was like the underdog when
I was growing up, and so the fact that I
have a seed at any table, I'm kind of like, oh,
that's pretty cool, like that I'm like included in this.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Or invited in this. So to me, making any money
feels like a huge win.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
And I feel like I always will make money and
we'll make enough money because I think I could be
happy kind of at any stage that I needed to
be at and for me, like, you know, Simon started
his own company three years ago in COVID, and it
took time for it to like take off, and I
you know.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
I knew that there was like friends of mine who
might be like, what does he do? What is he doing?
I don't really understand what it is. And all I
cared about was like is he happy?

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Sure? Like I see this thing in him that is
that it has a goal in mind, and he is
like driven and he is like excited by it, and that,
to me is exactly what you want in your partner.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
And so you know, that's all you that's all you want.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
And so now be his company is doing so well,
and it makes me so happy that it's doing so well.
But it's more like the feeling of seeing him come
home every day knowing he worked his ass off. How
I did write by the people who work for him,
like you know that his his the success follows that.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
It just feels good to see that. So I think that.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Hopefully your your values can get in line with like, Okay,
somebody said this thing.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
I think it was Rabbi Leader said this too. He
came into the writer's room and talked to us. He
said that a person is.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
A person who is unhappy is when their perceived values
and their lived values are really far apart. Yeah, so
you say, all I care about is family and my friends.
But what you actually do is you like go after
whatever celebrities, pay money, whatever it is. Yes, so it's
like live in line with the thing that you say

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you care about. That's when you're going to be the happiest, be.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Your authentic self, and that's what to be honest. That's
what I always say about you and Sarah the most
is that you guys, are exactly who you are. You
are so honest about who you are. And you're so different.
I mean you are so you are so different. You're
so different, and I think I think there's just something

(31:49):
very unique about your in and I think people are
drawn to you because there is this authenticity about you.
To be honest, I don't think you've ever been one
to like pretend to like somebody.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
I think you've ever.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I think it's pretty clear when you don't and.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
I do.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
And I think and you're the middle, right, I'm the middle.
You're a middle right, So I mean, look, that's hard
to write.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
I mean yeah, I think in the middle almost kind
of forces you into that position because you don't have
a role, right, you don't have a clearly defined like
who you are in the scenario so you have to
get comfortable being that like in between things.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
And so I mean, you know, like you and I
being friends.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
When I first met you, Sarah and you had known
each other for a while, and I was like her,
you know, like lose her little sister coming in and
not everyone was very welcoming to me, because listen, everyone
in that crew, you guys were always you were like
at the peak peak of like you like created stylists
who became famous, Like nobody had known even like what

(32:50):
a stylist was before, so you were like killing the game.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Everyone in that friend.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Circle was like so relevant and so cool, and Sarah
was always so lessly cool.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
And then she started bringing me around these friends and
I was like so intimidated that I just like shut down.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
I just didn't know like who I was yet, and
so not everyone wanted to be stuck sitting next to
me at.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
A dinner table.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
And you were always so kind and welcoming and never judgmental.
You always acted like my big sister.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Like that's always warm you.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
But listen, not everyone was like that, but because you
were very authentic to who you were, and even though
you and I had like opposite things that we were
focused on in terms of like I'm showing up an
anthropology and you're like wearing the coolest bad you know,
and you always have like your hair gun, like your sunglasses,
and I'm like, you know, dressed like some like goth
punk kids, but such a memory visual right now, It's okay, yes,

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the elevator, and I wouldn't think the elevator I was
really clustrophobic. But but you never like judge me for
not being how you are, and I never judge you
for not being how I am because you were really
confident and comfort well in like your choices. You're like,
I'm going to wear a Maxi dress to this big
sunglasses and my bangold and this is who I am,

(34:07):
this is how I feel good. Is like wearing platform
high heels, and I would be like, I don't know
how to feel comfortable that way, So I'm going to
wear my converse and I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Wear whatever a bandana in my hair.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
And I think that having people around you who just
let you be yourself, like you don't have to have
the same style and the same interest to get along
with someone to respect each other.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
No, In fact, I actually find I actually really find
that it's better the other way. I think that's why
siblings work, you know what I mean. I think that's
why siblings work because you compliment each other. You can't
be exactly the same. And I always say that, especially
with girls. It's like my sister and I are total opposites,
but we were in separable, right. I think if we

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were more alike, I think that would be a problem.
And so I actually think that's what works the best
because it's like you do you, I'll do me right,
and then we just meet in our happy pla together.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
But I but I think, as it.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Proutains to like you're working life, like how do you feel,
like do you feel right now that you're exactly where
you dreamed.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
You could be? Could ever be?

Speaker 1 (35:14):
And like want to be because I'm I'm sort of
reading all this stuff on like Deadline and I'm like
seeing Aaron Foster like splashing across all the trades and
I'm like, oh my god, this is the sickest thing ever.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Are you just like pinch me I'm dreaming?

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Are you like this is my place, this is my calling,
this is my because then I want to talk about
favorite daughter.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
For a second.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
So so like it feels like it's my calling for sure,
and it definitely feels like it's my dream, but it's hard.
I also, it's really hard, and so sometimes it doesn't
come naturally to me, and then other times it does,
and I go, oh, I'm really made to do this.
And you know, there are times I'm not as being
not it doesn't come as naturally to me, and I go, fuck,
am I making a mistake?

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Or am I a fraud?

Speaker 4 (35:54):
I'm not really sure to be doing this, but I
think it's also I'm leave room for it to not
work out too Like I am in this place where
I have this amazing opportunity with this TV show that
I'm making at Netflix, and Kristen Bell playing me.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
It's like she's such an a list star and it
feels so cool. But then it's like, obviously I don't
want this to happen, but what if it fails?

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Not everything is a hit, and what if it does
really well but people make fun of it or don't
think it's funny or who knows, like anything could happen,
And so you're opening it.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Up like this is I'm not farm.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
People are gonna judge.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
You for sure.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Attach my happiness to its success because I I can
only control so much of it, So I'm trying to
enjoy this part of it where I'm actually in the
position where I get to make the show and enjoy
this process and love this process and do the best
thing that the best that I can. But then also, like,
this is going to be a really important experience regardless

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of the outcome. Sure, and I accept that such a virgo,
such a vergo, I'm just protecting myself.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
No, no, by the way, one hundred percent, I speak
the same language.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I always set myself up for total failure and disaster
just so I'm prepared.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Okay. And then so how does this all?

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Because you know, you obviously still do a lot of
like Aaron Foster staff right where it's like I'm I'm
the talent so to speak. I hate that word, but
like still it's sort of like you still do that,
which I think you're equally as great at and it's
fun because you get to sort of like partner with
different brands and things like that. But let's talk about
Favorite Daughter for a second, because Favorite Daughter obviously was

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born out of your deep.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Love for fashion.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
No, it was, it was born out of the fact
that you guys wanted to make comfy, cozy, cute, functional
clothes and obviously, favorite Daughter could not be a more
brilliant tag line ever, brand name ever, because you know,
as a daughter of two, I get I'm a favorite,
But it's taken off sort of like a rocket. I'm

(38:00):
sure on the inside it sort of feels like that
and sort of doesn't because it's so much freaking work.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
But it's nice because all of you are involved.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
You, Sarah, Jordan, Jordan for those of you that don't know,
Jordan is the I don't want to say secret sister,
because I don't think she's a secret at all. And
she's brilliantly talented. She's a stylistic, creative director all the things,
and the baby and the baby of the family.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
But like, how is it to work with your sisters?

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Obviously you've been working with Sarah for a while, but like,
how is it to do this and what's your kind
of role in it?

Speaker 2 (38:32):
And are you kind of stepping back a little as
you do your writing.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
I mean, listen, working at family is hard. Sarah, I
fight a lot, We disagree all the time. We have
different ideas of how to put an outfit.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Together or in a fitting.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
We're always fighting, but didn't you do that anyway before
you started the brand.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah, we always fought before, of course, but it's still
cool to be able to do this with your sister,
you know. It's it's cool that when we travel and
prepare daughter, we go a place on an airplane together
at six am and not by yourself.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
You know, it's nice.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
And it's so good having Jordan involved because she's so
talented and I'm just as close to Jordan, and she
lives in New York, so we don't you know, the
fact that Sarah and I've always worked together, it's so
fun that we can do that now with Jordan and Sarah.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
And I never like set out to make a clothing brand.
I mean, as you know, that was like the farthest
thing that we would be sinking.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Farthest, literally farthest like.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
That so far.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
But that's that's how life is.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Yeah, And I think, you know, it ended up being
that we were so favorite. Daughter ended up becoming the
kind of thing that was perfect for us because it
really is a brand for a girl who is not
comfortable spending twelve hundred dollars on a pair of pants.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
From the Row.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
She's not doing that, but she still wants to wear
like really good, well tailored, put together clothes, but she
doesn't want to spend that much money on it. And
so you know, there's a girl who doesn't want to
shop fast fashion at Zara, and she doesn't she can't
shop with the Row, So where she going.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
There's a handful of brands in that middle area. And
that's really what we focused on, is like what would
we buy? What do we want our in our closet?

Speaker 4 (40:09):
What are those staples that we can have that aren't
like trend heavy, It will last a while, be good quality,
and still.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Be like a cool thing to wear it to a
girl's dinner. And so our girl is really supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Us right, And I think it is.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
I mean, I think people are just living for favorite daughter.
I mean I'm obsessed with it.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I love it. I love wearing it.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
So I love that you love it. I do.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I love it. It's so good.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's so good because I really do know that you
guys are actually all so like touching every piece.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I mean I know that I see that, and I
would know if you weren't.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Oh yeah, but it is ironic and I think it's
just funny how like life works, because it kind of
just pulled you in. And I think started with like
cute sweats, and I think the fact that you guys
do that still.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
One of the producers on this show is like, oh
my god, I just got a favorite daughter had him
so obsessed.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I don't even know if I realized it was Aaron.
I just love favorite daughter, which is the dream.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
But yeah, that's exactly what you want. I don't want
to us because there's a lot of.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Pressure for us to be posting things to get them
to sell, and you know, not everybody wants to watch
a promotional thing on her Instagram every day, and so
finding that balance, like we wanted to be able to
have life of its own, and there's I mean, that
was a Nashville one time, like a year ago, and
Simon was like, I think the girls were your daughter
jeans and so I looked and I was like, oh,

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I think they are.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
So I go up and I was like, Hi, where'd
you get those jeans? And she looked at me. She's
like revolve and like arrive me and walked away and
I was like okay, And I didn't tell her that
it was my brand. I was honestly so flattered that
she had no idea who I was.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
She just bout a yes, that's the truth.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
No, you absolutely want people in the wild to buy it.
Seeing it in the wild is the greatest thing ever,
by the way, Yeah, like it really is someone who
doesn't know you, who you didn't like, influence to buy.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Just like no, I love as in buying them. Yeah, okay,
So now let's let's talk about oversubscribed.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
So you guys have started to I guess it started
with Bumble, probably right when you got involved with Bumble
and started to just kind of put your I guess
selves into other brands, right and start to advise mentor
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
And then so tell me sort of a little bit about.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
That process, because like what attracted you to like sort
of investing in advising and things like that.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Yeah, I mean it was a really long slow path there,
because in twenty seventeen, we were hired to be on
a panel with Witny Wolf. We'd never met her before,
and we went to New York and we just spoke
on a panel with her. I mean, I don't remember
what we talked about, like women in business, something. I
was like so drunk on rose.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
I actually remember that.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I remember when you do Yeah, I do, I remember
when you did that panel.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
It was really fun.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
I drank a lot before Whitney and she's the best,
and so we just had this really great vibe with her,
and she was sort of launching these new arms of
the business bumble BFF and bumble biz, and she just
had this outside the box idea, was like, would you
guys want to work for me? Like come to Austin, Texas,
let's figure something out. And we thought, I mean, that's crazy,

(43:20):
but what a great opportunity. You know, the company at
that point had like five hundred no, let me see,
it was like worth five hundred million dollars.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Okay, I'm trying to think about what my numbers are.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
It was like definitely a very known thing, but was
still sort of like in that like upward trajectory. And
we couldn't believe this opportunity that we had to work
with Whitney and also have equity and a tech company
like that had never happened to us before. So we
said yes, even though we didn't have any idea what
it entailed, and we really really focused on it for

(43:54):
a couple of years, and that was really a primary
focus for us. And it is a little bit when
my writing started taking a back seat to more business opportunities,
and that was going to take me on a path
that you know, was going to also cause some difficulty
in my identity because I'm figuring, wait a second, I'm
not writing like you know, where I'm supposed to be going.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
But but the opportunity was so great, and so we
had such a good time.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
We learned so much from Winny and from that process,
and then we got brought into this company, the mirror
the workout Mere, and had empuity in that company. And
so when both of them had these like noisy exits
and acquisitions, it put us in this position where we
were able to look at a lot of great deals
and a lot of companies coming to us wanting us
to invest in their brands. And you know, we're we're

(44:39):
not comfortable writing like hundreds and hundreds of thousands of
dollars chests on our own. So the next logical step
was to raise a venture firm and take investors and
then invest through that. And so that's really where it started.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
From, isn't it so much? Fun.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
I love it. Yeah, it is. I love scary. It's
like scary with other people's money, but it.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Is, it is. But it's also fun to have more
people at the table, and you know, it's kind of
definitely my favorite part of what we do now is
the fun because it's just it's nice to have your
hands in a lot of things, you know, and just
and talk to other people and learn from other companies
and like, I don't know, I love the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Okay, So what is next in I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
In overplanning anything, as I'm sure you don't either, but
like I feel like right now, in this peaceful place
that you are, granted, there's a writer strikes you have
a little more peace than usual. Yeah, but like what's
putting you to sleep and waking you up right now?
Like do you think about like, okay, next this or
I just want to be present in this and just
go really deep in what I'm doing and be super happy.

(45:42):
It's like, what's the dream right now? If there is any?

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Yeah, I mean, I'm just really trying to be at
peace with where I'm at. And you know, obviously, you know,
I really want to be a mom and so that's
really like my next step. So you know, I've been
trying for a few years and it's just been kind
of really challenging us. And so that's that's kind of
like my where my energy goes is like how do

(46:06):
I make that happen and what that looks like?

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Well, yeah, and actually I think I think sharing that
too is incredibly helpful, probably for you and also for
a lot of women who are I would say at
this point, the majority of women in my life are
going through the same not the same because no one
says the same, but it's a journey and not an
easy one.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
So yeah, and I think it's weird as a woman
to you know, not be It's not like the popular
thing that women would naturally say is like that's their focus,
Like I want to be a mom, you know, because
we're so career focused, and the truth is.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Like that is what I want though, and that's okay.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I just think that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
No, by the way, it's not an either or I
mean that said Serena Williams came out and said something
very clear, but that's also after she won said well
she was she made a very valid point because I
think she's forty two now and pregnant with her second child.
And what she came out and said is I'm stopping
after this. I think it was Wimbledon last year, because

(47:08):
I'm going to have another child. And what's sad about
that is that if I was a man, I wouldn't
have to do this right now because my wife would
be home having the child and I could keep playing, right.
But she's like, but that's a choice that I want
to make, right, And I think, I'm like, look, okay,
let's look at Serena. I think she's one what seventy

(47:28):
five thousand Wimbledon's and tournaments. But at the same time,
I do know one thing is for sure is that
every everyone's journey to become a mom is different, and
to be honest, very few are easy. And I think,
in my opinion, I mean, that's a really cool choice.
That's a really cool thing to focus on. And as

(47:49):
someone who did it very late in the game, yeah,
I think, no matter how you get there, you get there, right.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Yeah, I think that's right.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
And I think like the gift of getting older sort
of accepting the timeline that you're on and accepting like
the truth of whatever your reality is, and so you know,
you can kick and scream and like not want to
get older and not want to have kids a certain
way or start a family a certain way, or have
your career a certain way, and like, but.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
You know, you also just accept the truth and like
you can't have you you kind of have to do
I think, I think, I really think you kind of
have to because you know, very dear friend of mine said,
she said something that really changed you know, when someone
just says something that's seemingly so simple and somehow it
changes you. A very happy friend of mine, mother of
four and very happily married, very nomadic life. And I said,

(48:39):
you have any regrets? And she said why? Why would
I have regrets? And I said, what do you mean?
She said, it's a waste of time And I said
what do you mean? She said, every second I would
waste on regretting something is a waste of the energy
that I'm spending now because I can't change it.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I can't, I can't. You can't go back, and you
literally can't go back. You literally can't go back.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
And I'm literally She's like, that's toxic to me, and
I was like, shit, She's totally right.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Why the hell do I think, Like, I.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Know, you know, so we do.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Regret is just torture, regrol is And I think, Aaron,
here's the thing where everyone sits looking at you or
anybody else, it always is a different picture than how
we all feel, right, we all know that that's just
who we are, that's just how life is. But at
the same time, I feel like your journey may have
been a little bit later and getting married or whatever,
but ultimately, like you.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Don't know what could have been.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Okay, great, you could have goten married and had kids
at twenty five, and god knows what would have happened.
Right now, you have all your shit together, all your
shit's in a row, you're madly in love, you're happily
married and all the things, and you're going to have
a beautiful family and everything's going to be I don't
want to say like everything's going to be perfect, but
like it's going to be yours.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yeah, right, And I really couldn't imagine it happening in
any other way.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
And that's why things like, yeah, I think when you're
younger and you are questioning like why things aren't happening
for you, you have to sort of have faith that
there's a man that's working in your favor even if
you don't think there are. Because the amal relationships that
I like prayed to the God that I didn't even
believe in, like please let this be the one, Like

(50:17):
please let me.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
End up with this person. I'll kill myself if I'm
not with them, and then like God.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Didn't give it to me, and I was like, God, fuck,
And I look back, I'm like, oh my God, if
I had gotten what I wanted, can.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
You imagine I would be fucked right?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
It's in that basic God.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
I wasn't given what I want.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
I'm telling you just don't even know your own potential.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
There's a plan, babe that you don't know about.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
There's a whole plan happening that you just don't even
know about, but you're living it, and I love you madly.
I'm so happy for your success, honestly, And to me,
you've never been the You've never been the underdog or
the black sheep that you consistently felt like. To me,
you've just been fucking badass eron and I just knew
what you were keeping love. None of this, quite frankly,

(51:01):
surprises me not to sound like you're a neurotic Jewish mom,
but like, none of this shocks me at all.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
But I'm just excited to continue to watch you do it.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Honestly, Thanks Rachel, thanks for always being such a good friend.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Oh my god, I love you madly. Bye Rad, Bye Babes,
Bye Katie. All right, everybody.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Each week, I'm going to finish the show with something
called ask Rachel. So let's get right into it and
kick off with a very funny question, very ironic question
because my team sort of makes fun of me all
the time. They call me a vampire. And this question
is how many hours a night do you sleep? And

(51:44):
the funny thing about that is it's a very loaded question.
You know, I have a work husband. His name is
Matt Walker, and when he first started working with us,
he actually texted me and he said, I have a question.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
He said, do you actually sleep? I'm just trying or
do you just nap?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Because I'm trying to figure out because you texted me
at two am with a work question, then you responded
at four thirty, and then you texted me a new
question at six, and then that same night you texted
me again at like one He's like, so, I'm just wondering,

(52:26):
are they like naps or do you sleep consecutive hours?
And it's funny because I never really thought about it,
to be honest, because I've lived this like insane life
as a stylist and really just someone who my whole
life really just was never a big sleeper, always the
first one to wake up on sleepovers, always the one

(52:48):
waiting for everybody to get up, always being up hours.
In college, I would still wake up at six seven
in the morning after a night out when everyone slept
till two three in the afternoon. My Inner mo team
likes to joke that I sleep literally like a vampire,
like or that I just don't because I wake up
with like a full face of makeup or I makeup

(53:10):
and like my hair probably has not moved all that much.
But I think it's because I don't know. I feel
like my brain doesn't really shut down. But I do
think I'm definitely one of those people that can live
on less sleep than most. I think to properly answer
the question, I would say between four and five hours

(53:36):
a night. I don't think eight hours is in my
history of sleeping. Ever, maybe when I get to Europe
and I'm super jet lagged, and you know, black out
the room and you don't know what time it is.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
But I hate to say that.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I think my eldest son, Sky may have inherited that
blessing and curse of not needing as much sleep. So
I would say that a big part of my life.
Probably I run on adrenaline and excitement for what I do.
But I would say I definitely am not an eight
to ten hour a night sleeper, have never been, probably
will never be.

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Aarin for coming on the podcast. I am so incredibly
proud of her. I actually really love watching her win

(54:57):
I really love people work hard that don't do things conventionally,
don't really follow societal norms.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Just because that's what they're supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
I mean, she's launching an incredible new show on Netflix,
she's crushing it with favorite daughter their clothing line, and
just launched a new venture capitalist firm called Oversubscribed. Also,
she found her Prince Charming, who happens to be one
of my favorite guys, Simon Tech. So I'm in tich Man.
I shouldn't say it's so funny we call people by

(55:29):
their Instagram names. Anyway, what else could Aaron do? I
think she's living her dreams and I loved this episode.
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Speaker 3 (55:50):
Come on,