May 26, 2023 • 55 mins
This week, Rachel Zoe speaks with celebrity stylist and co-founder of The Period Company, Karla Welch about how she started her styling career, met the love of her life, and how hard work and saying yes lead to a majority of her successes.
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Zoe and you're listening to Climbing in Heels. This show
is all about celebrating the most extraordinary superwomen who will
be sharing their incredible journeys to the top, all while
staying glamorous today with me, I am so excited to
have one of my favorite stylists, celebrity stylists and co
founder of the Period Company, and so many different parts
(01:50):
of her business that she's launched since becoming a stylist,
Carla Welsh. Carla opens up about how she started her
styling career by working in a restaurant working retail since
she was eleven years old with her dad, and how
she met the love of her life and.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Husband there as well.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Carla is sharing with us how hard work, very hard work,
and saying yes lead to a majority of her successes,
and how sacrifice is sometimes really hard and painful to
look back on. I'm so excited for you all to
listen to this episode it's really good. It's progressive, it's honest,
(02:29):
it's candid, it's open. It's really important and something we
all need to be speaking more about. So let's get
right into it with Carla, and I hope you love
this episode as.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Much as I do.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I think anyone who knows what a stylist is and
you know, and I know that so many people actually don't,
but I think anyone who does absolutely knows who you
are and is.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
A giant fan.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And I also think people obviously outside the end industry really.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Know you as well.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And I think you've become this very prominent voice for
so many different things, for so many people. But I
also the reason I started climbing in heels was because
I think that from where people sit and how they
view people in the public eye is huh.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
She got lucky? How did she get right? Or like,
oh my god, who's this girl? Carla? Well, she like
she disappeared out of nowhere, God, how did she like? Whatever?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
So I started this because I think for all the
epic women that I know that are at the top
of their fields, everyone's journey is so completely different, so
incredibly challenging. None of them have happened overnight, and so right, yeah,
not twenty years overnight, Yeah, exactly if twenty years is
(03:52):
over night, Yes, it happened overnight. And so I think
I first want to just touch a little bit where'd
you like come from your family, Like just a little
bit about like who were you? Were you like an
awkward shy kid or were you like a cool kid?
Were you like an awkward shy Right?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
So I come from a really small town in Canada,
powerful British climban.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Like tiny if you took Highway one oh one to
its very end, That's where I'm from. And as youngest
of four kids, and we were pretty insular, like we
just played.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
With each other, probably because my mom was like, I'm
too tired, you don't need to go on a fucking
play day.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But also I was like that kid who we went
out on our bikes and we came home when it
was dinner time. You know, I feel so lucky to be,
you know, a seventies eighties kid that got to kind
of experience the world, you know, in ways our children
yes safely right, No, I think the world's still safeish,
it's just so different now, right. We really had so
much freedom growing up.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
So I think I was I was not that outgoing,
and I'm still not that outgoing, Like I'm like a
bit of an imploster when I'm like, right, I'm an
introverted extrovert. I know, yeah, yeah, sure right where you're
like you're very good. Yes, We're cover to it. It's
the thing. It's the thing, it's our thing.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And you know, I have to like really prepare to
go into a room because I'm like, oh, I'm not
that interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I don't have anything to say.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
But then I'd like to be easy with people, but
I'll also like get right to it. I'll just be like,
oh my god, are you happy with your life?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Like I like, I just can't do anything by now
actual I think I want to know same.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So I think I was like a daydreamer too as
a kid, Like I loved playing with my barbies and
I loved just imagining, and I was always pretty comfortable
with my own company, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, And I still think that's to this day. I
still am. I have so many of me Like it's funny.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
People are like, yeah, but if you were doing a party,
you'd have two hundred people, and I'm like, yes, for sure,
but like, who do I want to round me on
any given time, like one or two, or like if
I'm going out and things, I have to mentally prepare
myself for it.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Honestly, for sure not weird because it's still like work.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
We're in such an on business, right And I will say,
you have a sister, and I have a sister, and like,
my sister is my best friend, and who I want
to spend They're like, oh, are you going on summer vacation?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You go to Europe. I'm like, no, I'm going to
Canada and I'm making my whole family be there and
that's what we're going to do. Is like, so it's
so interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And now I say the same that because I've had
my sister, I don't think I ever leaned on friends
the same way that a lot of my friends do.
I mean, I'm definitely thankful for that, and I'm sure
you are too, he too. A comfort and a safety
and a you don't have to work.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah yeah right yeah built in So okay, So what happened?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So you go through?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Like when do you leave Canada?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So I grew up in a in the fashion business,
not the fashion the retail business. My father had a store.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I worked with him from like a very young age.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I would go there after elementary school, probably because he
was the babysitter, and he would put me to work
like dusting the shells and folding the shirts and like
then like maybe when I was eleven, I started doing
his window displays because I.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Like love debt, so I do all the little tableas.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Okay, yeah, and then I became started going. He'd take
me on the buying trips with him, and I would
get to buy the clothes. And then I started working
for him, and so that was my constant through because
we had to have jobs in our household, but I
would be my I was my dad's like a plus
employee until like all through college and that and then graduated,
and I kind of floundered, to be honest, like I
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but I wasn't really stressed out, which maybe I should
have been. But why Like I went to college and
I was like, oh, I kind of suck at this,
Like I just I wasn't ready for learning. And the
funny thing is is like I'd love to learn, and
I'm so curious about the world, and I I'm always like,
you know, I think sometimes the higher education is wasted
on young people because if.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You're not ready to be there and learn it. I mean,
kids nowadays are so focused and are so amazing, but
I wasn't that.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So I was like, okay, I'm going to go travel.
Then I watched I mean, I'm so influenced by cinema
of course, as you are too, but I watched Tequila
Sunrise and Shelffiffer was the matre d of her restaurant
and she's making angel hair pasta, and I was.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Like, that's what I want to do. I want to
go around the restaurant.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I want to be Michelle Pfeiffer and have mel Gibson
come in and I'm going to make angel hair a
rossa whatever. And then so I was like, that's what
I'm going to do. So I was like systematic, and
I went to chef school and I went to food
and bevers school so that I could know both ends
of things. Like I think that's part of like really
(08:30):
what makes a stylist too, because you know, we can
go on a photo shoot and we're like, we can
produce it, we know how the best shot, we can
direct hair makeup, and then we can tell the photographer
what to do.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Like, that's our brains, right, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Okay, okay, well it's also freaking me out because you
know that was my first job.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I was a hostess time over. Oh no way, I
was nineteen. Well, okay, this is fucking wild. You can
an Italian. I worked like like up in Vancouver and
blah blah blah, and then I worked in this really
famous Vancouver restaurant. We won James Beard Awards. It was great.
I was really poised to become a partner in the
(09:06):
restaurant and a restaurant tour.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, and one day this fucking guy walked in and
he sat down on table seventeen and that was it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That was Matthew Welch, my husband of twenty one years,
who came in, sat in my restaurant. He wrote me
a love letter and he and you remember working in restaurants.
Oh yeah, you're nice to people. That's our fucking job.
You want your tips? Oh yeah, you're nice? Oh yeah,
And I was, but I was always nice. But it's
(09:36):
also you know, it's the.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Performance, Like there's a song and dance, yes, and boys
flirt with you because they think you're being nice because
I'm basic but yes, and we had like a real
run and the like. It was all my best girlfriends
come from there.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That's where I built my biggest community.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
You know. They were all young, good looking girls. We
got to wear whatever we wanted and we were all
we all just really nice.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And a lot of boys came in and flirted. This
boy sat down and I was like, well, I guess
we're making a change. And that was it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I came down to Los Angeles to meet him, actually
in Palm Springs. I said, oh, I'm visiting my aunt
and he came and we literally were like, okay, let's
get married, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And that was it. It was crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I'm dead, that's crazy. I met Roger. He was a
waiter and I was a hostess. Shut up and he
literally said to.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Me, whoever you see come in with a cell phone,
seat them in my section because they'll be the biggest tippers.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
They had money. They had money, literally and curious get
your teamwork from day Why that's so crazy?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Wait, I never see I could like stop here, we
can end here. I'm so happy now.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But did you love working at a restaurant like I?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It was?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I have I have learned so much. That's why I
always say to young people, nothing you do is waste it.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Right. Yes, it's for me working in the store, for
me working in a coffee shop to working in a restaurant.
That's where my skills have come from.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
A billion percent.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
And they believe.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Now they graduate and want to be the vice president
of the company, and they want to be the first
president of the company, and they want to be paid
like it a thousand with the vacation days like that.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Go with it, and like the balance.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I know a few CEOs right now that when I
recommend people, they go do they ever work in a restaurant?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And I said, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
They're like, I won't even meet somebody that hasn't worked
in a restaurant and been a waiter or a waitress.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's a thing.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So what you're saying is very valid because it's a discipline,
it's a way to talk to people, it's a way
to meet all kinds of people that.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You have to like, I don't want to use the words.
And it's fun as fuck, Like it's so much fun.
You got caps in your pocket, like I know.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Watson, And that's also why I'm like an outrageous tipper.
Someone once said to me, you'll never go broke given
a good tip, and I was like, well, there you go.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh my god, it's so true. Okay, so fast, Nana already,
So come to La. And so I got married.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Crazy, I got married. You're a baby. We had a
bit of a how old were you?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
So I met Matthew and I was twenty just actually
my birthday's nine to eleven. It was my twenty seventh birthday.
And then we got married I think when I was
twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So yeah, I was a baby. Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And you know, as someone who had worked their whole life,
it was really defined by work, and I still am
being down here and not having a job with a crisis.
It was like my first crisis in life where I
was like I don't know what to do, who I
am and what I want to do. But secretly, in
my mind I knew what I wanted to do. I
wanted to be a stylist.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I wanted to be a stylist, you know, in my
last year or so in Vancouver, especially when I met
Matthew because of the photography. He's a photographer.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, and I think that's right when we really started
knowing what or at least for me, like the fashion editor,
what's the fashion editor doing? And Philip's weren't quite hitting
it yet. You were about to bust on the scene, right,
But then then you.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Were there, and that was the kind of no, you're
my like total model, And I think nobody in our
position can say that you weren't you and you Andrew Lieberman,
of course, but like you were more like that. You
were in a in our eyes, you know, I don't
want to say in the face because that doesn't sound right,
but like, yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Then I started I foundered a bit and had a
lot of crises, especially when you're first married to someone.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Right of course you didn't even fucking know, of course,
and I was like what did I do?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
But I don't think I ever thought what did I do?
I thought, let me figure this out.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And well, all of a sudden you open your eyes
and you're like, it's that turning thirty crisis of like what, Okay,
I'm a grown up, Like what happens now?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
What happened? And what do I want to do?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
And what nourishes me? And I came from a family
of people who work and like are hard workers. So
I was just missing that, and so I started. Matthew
had a stylist who was always late, never prepared, and
he kind of I saw how it affected his job
and how he wasn't successful because of it, or you know,
he was still successful, but he wasn't like.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Killing it because of it. And I said, I can
do it.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And he's like, you can't, You've never done it. And
I started assisting a.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Bit, but I wasn't a good assistant. I was a
great employee either. I wasn't either, But because I think
I was just ready, you know, I just knew that
I had it in my mind. So I asked, like
a record label, I think it was like Atlantic Records,
if I could do this job that he had, and
they were like, it was no money, it was like
the easiest risk they could do.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I think I got one thousand dollars all in with
like four people, and then I.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Just was off to the rate and I ended up
negative basically on my time.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
So yeah, I mean I went I remember building out
the business when I started with Celerity AB, I went
like two hundred thousand dollars in debt.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh and back in the day when you had no
money nothing to begin with.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
No, Yeah, and you it was crazy for shipping and
FedEx and tailoring because the cliot wasn't paying, right, so.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, the client yeah and the label yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
So that's how it basically started. And I just and
then I was doing like lots of musicians and but
dude just kind of plugging away immediately. Yeah. I love it.
I love bah blah blah. I just loved it. I
love clothes. I loved it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And I think that's the sort of thing that not
everybody knows until they're physically doing it, is that it's
not the I like clothes and I like fashion, so
I'm going to be a stylist.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It's the right.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Do you remember like stacking bags up your arms and
walking through like the Beverly Center, the cuts from the
plastic bags in your arms because you didn't want to
take two trips.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's I can feel the burn and my arms still. Yeah,
not like burn from the ropes in the back oh
right here in the trunk. Yeah, my god, I would
have join me.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Crazy was like the people taking the elevator at the
Beverly Center didn't need to take the elevator.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
They couldn't take the escalators, and then you had to
like take the escalators yourself because there were those elevators
were so slow and there were full of people who
didn't need to use them.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Totally, totally, so much grunt work, like weltering, sweltering, sweltering, weltering,
holding garment backs, tripping over and yes, one thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Because people have asked me, like, what was it like
to be a stylist in New York City, I'm like, oh, wedding, sweating,
climbing downstairs and walk up. When I started working in
LA I said, this is a vacation because you for
sure things in your car your car, and then I'm loaded.
It's very civilized. It's not civilized in New York.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Even now, I.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Don't want to go do a job in New York,
Like can you come in and do a fitting?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And I'm like, it's what I can.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
But okay, what was the like moment where you were
like okay, And maybe it wasn't like one, but was
there that moment where you got an opportunity and you
were like, this is the biggest opportunity of my entire
styling career and if I fuck this up, I'm done?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Or were you like I'm too nervous, you know, like,
what was your moment and when was that?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I think one of my biggest things was like literally
getting kind of discovered and breaking into the celebrity market.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
You know, I got which is hard.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
An agent, Yeah, kind of plucked me and it was
like a real fairy tale story. And then I just
was like, I'll never say no no, and so I
said yes to every job that came my way because
I thought I can learn something. And this is basically
to the point where I would do a music video
until five in the morning and get on a plane
(17:30):
and go do an editorial in New York. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Kind of psychotic, But who am I to say? That's
not why I appear to everything today.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yes to everything, Yes to everything, And I honestly.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You know, I have an amazing team.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I've always had amazing people who really work with me,
like assistants and that. But then you know, people come
in and out and they're like, I just want the
balance and that's amazing. But if you want to do
what we do, it's a choice because the industry is
not going to change for you in this year or
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this decade.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It's just it's a choice.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And I respect people who want that life balance.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Good for you.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
But if you look at anybody who got to a
certain level, they got because they said, yes, it's true
and you can have that mindset. But when your name,
if you ever get your name on the door, you're
gonna call me and be like, oh my god, you're right.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, it's so incredibly true.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And it's funny because a lot of the women that
I've had on Clemean Heals said the same thing.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That they basically just always said yes because yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
There was something they could take away and even if
it sucked, it's how hot them.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And so many of them sucked. So many of them.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Sucked, especially the music videos, especially the nights, especially the
disgusting locations that felt like you were going to get killed,
and like, yeah, for sure, years of that and like,
but I have to say, I think it really does
put the fire in you to get where you where
you get to, honestly, And I think it's that grit
(18:59):
that makes you appreciate so much the like for sure,
the getting there, and I think it's like, I mean,
you know, and I know there are people that are
very confused as to who.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
The talent is.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And I think that's a more recent thing I do.
And I think you know that we can thank social
media for that and all of these things, but I
think at the end of the day, the old fashioned
way of working your fucking ass off, saying yes, being grateful,
getting your ass kicked a little bit, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think that's really the people that get to the top. Honestly, Rachel,
it's the waitresses. It is, well, what did you just
say there?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Say yes, work your ass up, get kicked around a bit. Yes,
it's a performance. It's the same skills that I had
working in that restaurant as here, but like a little
more fun.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
And retail is the same. Retail is the same, and
retail is the stame. And you're right about it.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I was with Petra the other night the show and
we're just talking about, oh, the next generation, because I
was popping up as that, you know what I mean,
I remember that, and there's always going to be.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
That, right, of course, I know that there'll be different
where my tielines run out.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
But I was like, yeah, but there's some of us
who are so consistent and chill and just our operators,
you know, not to take the glamor out of it.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
No, No, it's true. Also, I'm a fucking business woman.
I run a multimillion dollar company. Like that's that's Carlo
Welch Styling. That's the deal.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And it's like I pay my employees and I give
healthcare and retirement and it's like that to me is
like wow, that's part of it. You know.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
It's like it's so important.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And that's something I say to young people, like know
how to pay the bills because.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, because it's a business. But I you thought beyond it.
And that's the other thing I really want to talk
about that. Also, who who was your first client visible that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You were like that? People were like, who the.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Hell was Carla Welsh Oh, Olivia Wilde.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I just saw her at Baby to Baby. I love her.
She's fucking mean seven.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
We've been together seventeen years, no way, yeah, seventeen years.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So she's like my gen garn sixteen years. Yeah yeah totally.
I mean I'm not obviously doing it anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Oh yeah, we were together for one hundred years and
now we're now we're like mom friends.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Well, life just but you know you asked me like
that question of like where I thought, oh my god,
I have to make it or I'm dead.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yes, I mean I feel nervous every job I do.
I mean, not as much anymore, but I have that
letterfly Still there's butterflies. And I remember having like the
first kind of real movie star opportunity came I away
with an actress and she was trying out. It wasn't
that long ago, and she was trying out a couple
of stylists and everything went wrong for mine, like to
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like Ted Cruz winning the election, to the fire, to
a shooting. It was just like a storm of like
negative and it didn't go my way.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
And I remember being devastated, and it's just like, yeah,
it doesn't always go your way, but like there's something
else great around the corner, and I'm like, I'm glad
it didn't work out, but.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Like, and I feel like a lot of things did
happen well for you over the last like yeah, you know,
really well, amazing, really well.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, with new clients, really well, clients that are crushing
out with Like isn't that funny in our business? Though?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Because you still are like I mean, you're still want it,
which is I think great, like I still have that
fire in me.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Well, by the way, when you don't is when you
need to pause. And that's correct. When I did pause
from it, because yeah, I cool, you.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Were in a fucking shit storm, you know what I mean,
like us weekly when it was like the most insane,
like you.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
You like so much, so much, yeah, so much, and
also but also like created an industry, so thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Well, I mean thank you and mentioned you all the
time sincerely, we wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And listen, I wouldn't have known what to do. But
here's the thing I've taken.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Like, I think it's been about a seven year pause
from styling, and only this year did I realize, Okay,
I'm starting to remember why I lived and died for
it again. But I can do one or two people
like maybe you know, but like because it just started,
the industry changed a lot, and I think the politics
and the systems and the it got a little narley
(23:31):
for a minute. And listen, unlike you, because you have
incredible people on your team. I could not find incredible team.
I really struggle that.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So maybe if I do start styling, and then I'm
just going to have you hire my team. Okay, sure,
I'm great at that. Apparently I'm not super Still.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I'm really good at my team team, but styling for
whatever reason not so yeah, I'll come to you on that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Okay. So then what happens?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So you're obviously this like superstar stylist and like world domination.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I think you're twenty years younger than you.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Are, all these great awards, all this great recognition, and
then you start doing. First of all, you're very loud
on social media, and you're very principled, and you're very
politically active and very not shy about your belief which
I love, which I love, and I've I've tried to
become louder over the last probably three years you have
(24:28):
and I think it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I love you too, I've caught me Listen.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think at some point, if you don't say something,
then you're complacent.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right now, one hundred percent, I believe that, right.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I remember that night we met and my speech because
I got like the voice of and it was really
before and I don't care to say that I started it,
because I certainly did not, But I remember in my
speech I said, no one in this room will lose
anything by speaking up. Yeah, but no one at the
time had yes. I remember Roger was like great speech.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, oh thank you. But I think it's we just
don't have it. It's fucking wild out there.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It's why the world is freaking mess. It's our country
is insane, Like we should all be honest.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
The fact that we're not all walking on strike for
gun safety is insane to me. Of course, I understand
that's the complicity and like the complexities of things, but
like that's just who I am.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
But I was like that as a kid. That's who.
Like I remember my brothers were.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Like, we have a cabin on a lake and it's
it's not fancy, it's like rough in Canada. But they
were like shooting baby frogs with their beaby guns in
the water. So I jumped in the water and I
treaded water for like three hours so that they.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Couldn't shoot anything. I mean, I'm surprised I didn't shoot me,
to be completely honest. And it's a baby people. This
is not anything serious. But like I have, like I've
just never been afraid of it.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And I remember an agent who you know, we both know,
said to me, you better stop, you know, kind of
close your mouth shut a bit, and I said, just
you wait, like, yeah, no fucking way.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, I was selling clothes at the time when all
this sort of hot mess of this country started to
come out, and a lot of customers were in places
that don't share my same beliefs, and so a lot
of people at different positions were like, just stay quiet.
And then after a while I was like, nope, nope, nope, nope,
(26:24):
because then then I agree, right then I agree, And
so I think for me, it was just sort of
like there's a responsibility and also like a burning in
my soul to just scream, right, So I think all of.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
That, Okay, So then what happened?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So then you're like, okay, I want to start multiple
different parts of my brand in my business, right, because
then you're like, okay, I need more. I need to
not only style like you know, twenty amazing clients and
work my ass off and have the student people, but
like now I want more.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
So what happens?
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Yeah, And I also thought of it as like you know,
longevity and how can I provide for my family or
like multiple revenue streams, But also I also just thought
it would be fun.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, you know we in the era that you and
I kind of came up with, like you first and
me a little bit behind you.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know, we got treated as wardrobe. Yeah, oh yeah,
here's your direction. And the admin always men would be
making the decisions. You know, you'd be on a beauty campaign, they'd.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Be like, well, blad telling you how a woman would feel,
or a perfume camping, and I would just think, I
just think you guys are bozos.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And some of them were amazing, and you could have
amazing creatives, But I thought, why are we siloed into
such a limited space?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Why like why wouldn't I design T shirts? Why wouldn't
I have these other ideas? Like I can not that
I am saying I'm some creative director.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I'm not, but I think that there was opportunities to
do so many more things and we kind of had
the platform to do it right like you did it.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yep, you're you need to bring back your line like
deal suits were so good?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Oh my god, Sarah Foster. Every day, where's the suits?
The good news is I'm still wearing them all the
time because I love them.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I placed I placed it close all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I love I love so much, so I just think
about that someday, busy to day. It just has to
be in a better, better partnership, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah for sure. Yeah yeah yeah you could do like
a little more high end, we'd.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But you're so But yeah, I think that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I was like, I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Flex like a little more.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And I think maybe that's because I was like underachiever
as well as a kid.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I'm like, are you okay? And what what part is
the underachiever? What are you know? As a kid? I was.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
My parents are think I'm a marvel. They're like, wow,
you were like so so much for our little stoner
I was.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I mean, who wanted to be a student. My kids
are my heroes right now, these right a kids, like
where did you come from?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Mommy's mind falls after me.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Unfortunately, my husband was like that straight a student really well.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
And he's creative to that, which is interesting.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah yeah, but he was like a straight a art
center student like of.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Course whatever, of course whatever. But you know, I just
thought it.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Would be like fun and and I think, like, you know,
besides you, I kind of was the first like the
one who followed of like having brand partnerships and having.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Collapse and ex Carla yeah, Levi's.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
For Levi's, it was like the Haynes and then Levis
Express and the Eddie Bauer and like I don't even
know what the hell I did. But like also like
stylists are pretty unique and that we understand what's missing
from the market right of course, and we touch every
when brands, which is everything right, Like we know we're
merchandisers in a way we can go into a store
(29:51):
and be like, you know, what's really missing is this?
So I love getting to do that side of things
consulting now and we're working with brands and but ultimately
I'm like you like for me, my rock stars are
like the peer Paula and Nikola Geskier's the friends of boys,
I mean, and to get to have like their clothes
(30:11):
come to my office or to work on a dress
with them. Watching the Rachel Zoho when you were like
with that dress you put on Cameron Diaz for the
Channel Blue, Everybody's mind that hears like a loose sight
heel and a freaking short dress to the globes, Like
come on, that's like one of the most iconic globe looks.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Ever and but how you talked about you got to
work with Carl, and it's like a drop dead moment
for me.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
That's a drop freaking dead, like put it on your
team Star. I worked with Carl, you know, literally and
like dropped out. I said, I can quite, I'm done.
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keep beginning.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
And for me, all I want to.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Do is bring their vision to life. So you know,
so sometimes it's fun to bring our visions to life.
But for me, I have so such deep respect for
the designers and one and to make them happy.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, so it's a thrill. So for me, it's always
still a thrill.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
But by the way, and that should always be your
reminder that that's why you're doing it, like meaning, that's
what wakes you up.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And I think that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It's like that fire, that obsession with that moment and
like they walk out the door and they walk onto
the carpet and you're like.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Like yeah on your phone.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
The best is when other stylists are like ding dinging,
I love it, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I was just doing that with Sam, who I love
and she's in Canda, sweetest girl. You know, I started there.
She was the only stylist that was nice to me.
Her and Elizabeth Stewart were nice to me, and everyone
else was really mean.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I cried and Andrea, So there's only room to be
There's just just not and it's all changing so much too,
Like you look at the carpet sometimes and you think,
what are we doing this for?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Like where's the meaning?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I still love it, but like you know, with streamers
and the saturation level of event, then yeah, we could
reclaim a little magic.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I think.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I don't know how other but I think that's why
you're diversifying for that reason. Yeah, so they can keep
doing what you love and keep touching other things. So
you keep it bit new and you keep it interesting,
you keep your creative sort of flow going because that's
very important, especially for creative people, because if not.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, for sure, you start to get really pissed off
about things. You know what I mean. Listen when you're
getting a little pissed off about it, too pissed off
about it, I mean, then you know it's time, right.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
No, it's true, it's true. But I will say I
think that you're very inspiring for so many reasons. And
I think that your your loud voice is appreciated I
think by a lot of people. And I you know,
and I think and I also think, you know, it's
funny like your personal style, like for anyone who doesn't
know what Carla looks like she's this very like if
you know reality bites and one on a Ryder.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That's her total vibe. And she's so cute.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
She's a little pixie with this Canadian accent about oh
my god, which I love.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
But okay, so you're also I think what we need
to really mention here is that you're also a mother
of a teenager.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I am. I don't do it people, right, trap, No,
you have the sweetest boys. I mean, my kid's amazing,
not sweet. I look at you and I think, oh,
look at those sweet angels.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, but they're also nine and twelve. They're nine and twelve.
They're going to be sweet forever. I hope, I can tell.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I hope so, I mean, I hope so. But listen,
I think this working mom thing to me is the
hardest job out there.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I just do because I think there's a pull and
I think theause it is they need you. Of course,
you know, being a child is the one thing. My
husband was like, you know, we need a little more gift,
and I was like, when did you give to your
or single mom? You didn't exact childhood.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Is like when you get to be an asshole with
abandon and you're parents still have to love.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
You like you don't have a choice, and your heart
won't let you have a choice. Right. I can never
in my kids be an addict, tom Me.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I could still not never just want to gobble them up,
of course, because I do.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It's crazy. Wait, it's crazy. How old? How old is
he now? He is seventeen? Oh my god, God, that's wild,
that's wild.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
So, and I also want to point out something that
I think is actually very important because while you're building
your career at its most pinnacle, challenging times of building,
also married to a creative And that is also something
I want to mention because when I was starting out,
it was sort of the whole like New York thing,
(35:47):
like twenty five, I went freelance. Right again, not a
great assistant. So I went freelance at twenty five and
Roger was an investment banker. So we basically didn't see
each other for like five years because he was working
twenty four seven. I was making my editor job seventeen
thou five hundred dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Just you know, remember when editorials paid one seventy five
Oh yeah, I do. Actually we had to BEG.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
We did to BEG for two hundred and I ended
up negative because you had to pay for all the
messengers and stuff. So I think I want to touch
on that because I had my children later in life,
I had already been doing my career. I think like
fifteen years Roger and I were together eighteen years before
we had kids.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
So but I always say, in hindsight, like how would
I have ever done that while built? Because I was
working literally twenty hours a day, flying all the world,
like doing the music videos, and.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
You you would enough by the way, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I might have been not building my career as well,
or like maybe even an absent mom, Like I don't know,
So how did you do this?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Did you take him everywhere with you? How did you?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I did it?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
To be and listen, I'll give you some pretty heartbreaking news,
like I know that I missed on a lot for
my career, which is it's hard to say and it's
a hard pill to swallow, and I don't think it's
like I mean, it is what it is. Like, I'm
not saying it for any sort of sympathy, but like
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there are pivotal years that I need it to be
there and I wasn't, and you know, like a little
more of a bad story about my kid, and he's
trends and he's like.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
You know, there's a lot that goes with it.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
You know. Also I didn't come up when there was
like mummy blogs or in social media. Was not happening
when I was like the resource I was like in
my thirties, but like somehow, I mean, it just happened.
I didn't even think I'd get pregnant. It wasn't a thing,
and we just kind of like I was probably a
little like a lax about it. But I will say
(37:44):
I'm so fucking grateful to my husband because he we
switched roles, right, we switched traditional roles, and Matthew really
raised Clem and gave up so much of his own
creativity and in his goals to allow me to like
super sore. But if I had to look at it,
and I say to moms that, because we all are
(38:06):
moms now, I say to them, with you younger kids,
like you got to carve out that like you're in
that time right now, You've done it perfectly right.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
You had like the pinnacle of the pinnacle. Then you
had your babies and then you've got to have them
in like the most important time of their life. And
I didn't get to do that. So I'm gonna like,
you know, but let's.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Write a book about Yeah, I don't actually have regrets
because I've built a fucking amazing career and I'm so
proud of it.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yes, I have payings of hurt over it, of course,
as we do. So I don't understand. Yeah, yeah, it's
where it's like, oh man, listen, damn it. We don't
write this right. We don't write it.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
We don't script totally right, we don't like and I
think if you do, no life follows script right.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
It just doesn't. It doesn't work like that. And I
think that, Listen.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I know a lot of moms right now, creative moms
in our field who are there busting their fucking asses
and their husbands are home.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
It works, and it works, and it works, and I
need their mom. I hate to say it, like you
need a mom, I mean not an a Hey, listen,
that sounds so privileged.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Actually, you know, I know it means like if you
you know what I mean, Like there's like Clement, I
have like such an incredible bond but Clement Matthew are
bestie's like, you know, I don't have they I get it.
I get it.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
So it's just a different and it's probably not the
narrative we were taught to write where it's like that
it would be ass out doing it.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Of course, that's all okay.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
So you have a seventeen year old, they have a
nine year old, like what, So like I could say,
oh my god, I just shows a young mom.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Of course, right exactly. There's trade offs, right, and I
think there's all the trade offs, so I could do
it differently. Oh, I would try to balance a little
more though, but it's our business doesn't allow it doesn't.
And I do say that.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
And it's interesting because I think, and I really stopped
was when I had my second child and I realized
that I was sending team out to do the job
and that did not work.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
For me, and it didn't work in our clients. It
doesn't work. So you really didn't have a choice in
that moment.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And I think you should really know that that you
didn't have a choice, and you should go to sleep
at night knowing that you didn't have a choice because
you were providing food and you were you were told
you what now?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Will set up clem later?
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Sure, And so I think and I do think that
some of the hardest working people I know come from
badass moms who work their ass off and very hard
when the kids are little, and then they really grow
up and go, God, fucking I get it, like I
get why she did this, and I'm so great, Well
it will it will not at seventeen, at twenty three, again,
(40:48):
you've built something incredible. You should be really fucking proud
of yourself. You do a lot in the fucking world,
not just for fashion, and you know, and.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I think you should. I think you should.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah I don't.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I don't regret it, which is like kind of an
interesting thing to have too.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
But it's like, yeah, it's just the pangs, right, But
I did you know what, I like to remind Cleama
from like one to three, that kid was on like
when the flights were free.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
He was on all the New York jobs. So I'm like,
I didn't ditch you. You just don't remember.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
By the way, they don't remember anything till after three. Okay,
So wait, last thing, So can you tell me about
the period company? Because I really do want to understand it,
and it is quite significant in our world.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
So please please, it's a major thing.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
So I actually started it because Clem, even though he's
a boy, got his period early, okay, and it was
like ten years old, and this little cute meathead didn't
know like a at the time, I didn't know Clem
was at transit.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Okay, and so there was all this, but he did.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
So there was all this, just this trauma around getting
their period, okay, But there was also logistically, like you're
you're asking a ten year old to change pads at
a school. Sure, And at the exact same time, I
was like kind of grossed out with the amount of
period waste I was creating, like pads and tampons for
everyone watching never decomposed, so the first one your grandmother's
(42:14):
ever used is still on the planet.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
So it was kind of just like the.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Light bulb went off the head because there was period underwear,
because I thought that was going to be the best
bet for Clem, but it was super cost prohibited, and
I didn't find it to be a really great product,
Like it was good for a backup if your tampon leaked, okay, great,
you catch it in your underwear because Tampont's leak all
the time. So I just kind of had a moment
and I had done understood manufacturing because of my t
(42:42):
shirt line, and I thought, I'm going to make the
most absorbent and affordable period underwear in the world, and
I'm going to make it so that every kid and
every mom and every dad or anybody with a period
could choose this way to period, because it.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Was just it just is better. You know, I'm not
I'm biased, but like I find it, it's a much
more enjoyable way to have your period.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And so I have an amazing co founder. It's this woman,
Sasha Markov, who's an incredible CMO, and she brought impossible
burgers to life, like she worked at Mother London for
many many years, and she I told her the idea
and that I was going to do, and she said, well,
the most important thing of having a great product is
having a great brand. So let's do it together. And
right that was like pure serendipity because we had met
(43:24):
each other many years later before or rather, and so
we've come together and our main goal was like, wow,
periods have kind of mean looked upon, is really shitty.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Our whole lives. We've been told they're shitty.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Right, We've been told globally that they're a stigma and
that they're awful, and they can be.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, but like what if we.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Were told something completely different, and what if boys were
told something completely different? What a different maybe world we'd have? Right,
So we started the company. We called it period blah
blah blah blahlah. We launched immediately. On day one, someone
sends me this letter about like period poverty, which of
course I knew. Period poverty is when people don't have
access to care, like one in four Americans, which is
(44:07):
that's so insane to me, it's mental. But we quickly
we thought we were a sustainability company, which we were,
but then we realized, oh my god, we're not. We're
a mission driven company and our mission is to eradicate
sustainably eradicate period poverty. So we work with organizations, so
we have a direct consumer business. We just launched nationwide
(44:29):
in Walmart, which is amazing, Like on the capitalist side
of it, unbelievable, going great, But the most important side
of it is that we work with orgs all over
the world, whether they're governments or ntos or just private
foundations of people who want to make impact. All these
programs were about to launch this incredible program in Kauhi
(44:51):
where every single person in Kauhai, regardless if they're you
or me with a bank account or someone at the
poverty line, working poor, everybody five pairs of underwear and
a pack of pads to see what happens in a
space when you imagine that nobody goes without and everybody
has a democratized form of care.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
So we're going to see what happens. We're going back
into Kenya. Yeah, it's so like, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
It gives me the same feeling is when I get
an amazing couture dress, Yeah, which is like I smell
the dichotomy and I'm like wow that. But it's just
my life's purpose is actually to do this work, and
everything's led to this moment. You know, I had an
amazing platform because I had amazing clients and friends who
(45:39):
elevated our brand in ways brands couldn't buy. Right, they
can't buy the impact we've had already just with social and.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
We do an amazing thing where we like team up
with friends or celebrities and we do match days where
they'll say, hey, friends, the period Company's going to match
everything that says Rachel today, and then we do a
big donation. So we just kind of work relentlessly to
show the world.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
That it can be done, because our huge goal is,
like listen, we want someone to come in and we
want governments to come in and say, okay, we see
what you did here.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
We saw the.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
If they'll admit that we actually have it, you know what,
it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
I mean, a we could go a girl got killed
by her brother for having her period in India.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I know, sorry I should give you that trigger warning.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
I mean, but it's like, because you don't even know
what a period, Lily thought diverse.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
It's the craziest thing.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
It's like baby snippers. They thought, you know, so so
much education as needed, and it's like, but if you
just start, you can change things. And maybe we're in
a different world now where we can't rely on government
to help it changes. And maybe it's just great citizens,
but I think you can combine everybody like citizens, governments
and businesses and billionaires. Come on, come on buying, you know,
(46:55):
buy us undred million pairs of period of time.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
It's true, it's true, and I think, but it's funny,
because funny, sort of ironic, because it's sort of you
think about this concept, You're like, how do I change
the world with this?
Speaker 2 (47:06):
How do I impact the entire freaking world with this?
Speaker 5 (47:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (47:09):
And it seems overwhelming, but I think that.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
You're already scratching the service in a really, really big way,
and in a very short time.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I mean, this is when did you launches two and
a half years? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (47:22):
God, that's incredible, Yeah, amazing, amazing, And even getting people
to have the conversation is helpful.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Listen, we have signs in Walmart that's a period on
them bless less Lass, Thank you Walmart, thank you Allmart.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Oh my god, adore you. I adore you. I love
your passion. You're so talented. I love all the.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Girls that you work with and the boys and the
boys you work with boys too, a lot of them,
justin Bieber Casual and Hayley that one casual.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yes, but I love all that you're doing. I love
I really do. I love your voice. I love your
loud voice. I know it's loud, but I love because
I've bone it down. But no, don't actually really don't know.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
I can't because you know what, so many people who've
really had their had their rights squandered over years, who
don't look like us. Right, we're white women, So we
have to run out of privilege in our lifetime. We
have to spend the privilege we have until the day
we die, because we're not allowed to get tired.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
They're like, Oh, I'm tired. I don't want to do anything.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
Tell that to the civil rights fighters, the freedom fighters,
It's true who've.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Come before us like we don't get to And that's
just the way it is, period. And I love you
more for it. So thank you, my love. I love
having you. I I could talk to you.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
I could do a part two and a part three,
but you know I am going to let you whenever life.
But thanks for having me, right, Jel, I had such
a pleasure where you have such a great I love
you keep doing your world domination and loving it.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
It's that time in the show and I answer to
listener questions, so let's see what we have today. Hi.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I love this podcast, and I have a question for
Rachel that I'd love to hear her answer. I'm a
mommy to two beautiful children, there's seven and three. My
first love was fashion design, but I was at a
point with my brand where it made more sense to
take a break and be with my kids. Now that
my youngest is three, I'm dreaming of getting my brand
(49:28):
going again at thirty four years old. Do you think
that ship has sailed? Am I crazy to try and
start back right now? If not, do you have any
advice for someone trying to come back from taking a
break after having kids?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Thanks Rachel.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Okay, So, first of all, no, it's never too late
to come back or start over or continue what you started.
I do think you have to first take a look
at the business that you're in and what you're going
back to, because chances are it has changed a lot.
I don't know a business that hasn't evolved and changed
substantially over the last five to seven years, So I
(50:06):
would definitely really think about that before you go headfirst
into it. But absolutely thirty four is the perfect age,
and I would argue to say that you are probably
more focused, mature, and probably have the right perspectives on things,
including business at thirty four than you were at twenty six.
(50:30):
And you know, I really find, especially with women, that
the older we get, I really think the better we
are mentally, physically, emotionally, all the things. So no, and
I think that I would say, depending on what you do,
I would say, really study it and really see what
the market is looking for and also what the market
is missing, and really consider that and start small, Start small,
(50:53):
and don't get yourself into a big overwhelming situation with
inventory and things like that.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
So look, Okay, next question.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
I am going to be a mother of the groom
in February twenty twenty four. That's very exciting. Any suggestions
where to look for a dress gown? I want modern,
up to date style. Also, any ideas what will be
in for next February, Well, I would say listen. I
believe there's so many variables to consider with a wedding.
(51:24):
I got married in February in New York City and
it was black tie, and it was at night, and
it was at the Rainbow Room. So my bridesmaids all
wore black velvet and my mother wore gold, and I
believe Roger's mother also wore like white and gold. I
think when you're in February, depending on is it black tie,
where is it is it in a way wedding? Is
(51:45):
it a city wedding. Are you in cold weather, are
you in warm weather? All those things sort of weigh
into it. But I would say color wise, I love
navy in February. I love gold all year round. I
do think you can wear black as the mother of
the groom, but navy is a better option, or a
metallic I think is really chic.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I love a sleeve.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
I love an off the shoulder because I think the
prettiest part of women is their sort of neck and shoulders,
especially at a wedding. I do love Monique Lulier for
everything wedding. I love your wing. It depends really on
what your budget is because there's really so many options
out there in every price range. You can also get
something custom made. You can pull a dress image that
(52:24):
you love and have it made at your local sort
of seamstress shop and pick your fabrics and things like that,
but obviously that's a lot more work. Show me your
MUMU does amazing sort of bridle in every size, shape, color.
They do a huge wedding business and very reasonable, so
I think that's also a great one. But that would
be my suggestion, So good luck. Okay, everybody, don't forget
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to submit your questions.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
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I want to thank Carlo so much for coming on
climbing and heels. I love bonding with her even more
over the pain that we both experience growing our careers.
You know, I've said it a thousand times. Styling is
not what it appears to be. It is grueling, it
is painful, it is not glamorous ninety percent of the time.
(53:57):
It's not what you see on Instagram. But it's amazing
and I think you know you can clearly see the
passion in Carla's eyes and in her soul. You can
hear it in her voice that she still loves it
so much. She's very grateful to her work, to her clients.
She's expanded on her brand in so many different ways,
and I mean just honestly reminiscing about emptying our cars
(54:20):
in a mall and carrying the things out of the
Beverly Center and literally like having our arms cut up
from holding so many bags because you don't want to
make another trip. That really just got me because it's
just so clear in my mind still after all these years,
Carla has really helped lead the way in really speaking
very loudly, very candidly about things that matter to her,
(54:41):
whether it's politics, whether it's equal rights, and using our
social platforms for good and speaking up because I do
believe if you don't speak up, it really means that
you agree with what's going on in the world. If
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be sharing their incredible journeys to the top, all while
staying glamorous today with me, I am so excited to
have one of my favorite stylists, celebrity stylists and co
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(01:50):
of her business that she's launched since becoming a stylist,
Carla Welsh. Carla opens up about how she started her
styling career by working in a restaurant working retail since
she was eleven years old with her dad, and how
she met the love of her life and.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Husband there as well.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Carla is sharing with us how hard work, very hard work,
and saying yes lead to a majority of her successes,
and how sacrifice is sometimes really hard and painful to
look back on. I'm so excited for you all to
listen to this episode it's really good. It's progressive, it's honest,
(02:29):
it's candid, it's open. It's really important and something we
all need to be speaking more about. So let's get
right into it with Carla, and I hope you love
this episode as.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Much as I do.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I think anyone who knows what a stylist is and
you know, and I know that so many people actually don't,
but I think anyone who does absolutely knows who you
are and is.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
A giant fan.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And I also think people obviously outside the end industry really.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Know you as well.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And I think you've become this very prominent voice for
so many different things, for so many people. But I
also the reason I started climbing in heels was because
I think that from where people sit and how they
view people in the public eye is huh.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
She got lucky? How did she get right? Or like,
oh my god, who's this girl? Carla? Well, she like
she disappeared out of nowhere, God, how did she like? Whatever?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
So I started this because I think for all the
epic women that I know that are at the top
of their fields, everyone's journey is so completely different, so
incredibly challenging. None of them have happened overnight, and so right, yeah,
not twenty years overnight, Yeah, exactly if twenty years is
(03:52):
over night, Yes, it happened overnight. And so I think
I first want to just touch a little bit where'd
you like come from your family, Like just a little
bit about like who were you? Were you like an
awkward shy kid or were you like a cool kid?
Were you like an awkward shy Right?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
So I come from a really small town in Canada,
powerful British climban.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Like tiny if you took Highway one oh one to
its very end, That's where I'm from. And as youngest
of four kids, and we were pretty insular, like we
just played.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
With each other, probably because my mom was like, I'm
too tired, you don't need to go on a fucking
play day.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But also I was like that kid who we went
out on our bikes and we came home when it
was dinner time. You know, I feel so lucky to be,
you know, a seventies eighties kid that got to kind
of experience the world, you know, in ways our children
yes safely right, No, I think the world's still safeish,
it's just so different now, right. We really had so
much freedom growing up.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
So I think I was I was not that outgoing,
and I'm still not that outgoing, Like I'm like a
bit of an imploster when I'm like, right, I'm an
introverted extrovert. I know, yeah, yeah, sure right where you're
like you're very good. Yes, We're cover to it. It's
the thing. It's the thing, it's our thing.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And you know, I have to like really prepare to
go into a room because I'm like, oh, I'm not
that interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I don't have anything to say.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
But then I'd like to be easy with people, but
I'll also like get right to it. I'll just be like,
oh my god, are you happy with your life?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Like I like, I just can't do anything by now
actual I think I want to know same.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So I think I was like a daydreamer too as
a kid, Like I loved playing with my barbies and
I loved just imagining, and I was always pretty comfortable
with my own company, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, And I still think that's to this day. I
still am. I have so many of me Like it's funny.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
People are like, yeah, but if you were doing a party,
you'd have two hundred people, and I'm like, yes, for sure,
but like, who do I want to round me on
any given time, like one or two, or like if
I'm going out and things, I have to mentally prepare
myself for it.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Honestly, for sure not weird because it's still like work.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
We're in such an on business, right And I will say,
you have a sister, and I have a sister, and like,
my sister is my best friend, and who I want
to spend They're like, oh, are you going on summer vacation?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You go to Europe. I'm like, no, I'm going to
Canada and I'm making my whole family be there and
that's what we're going to do. Is like, so it's
so interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
And now I say the same that because I've had
my sister, I don't think I ever leaned on friends
the same way that a lot of my friends do.
I mean, I'm definitely thankful for that, and I'm sure
you are too, he too. A comfort and a safety
and a you don't have to work.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah yeah right yeah built in So okay, So what happened?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So you go through?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Like when do you leave Canada?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
So I grew up in a in the fashion business,
not the fashion the retail business. My father had a store.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I worked with him from like a very young age.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I would go there after elementary school, probably because he
was the babysitter, and he would put me to work
like dusting the shells and folding the shirts and like
then like maybe when I was eleven, I started doing
his window displays because I.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Like love debt, so I do all the little tableas.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Okay, yeah, and then I became started going. He'd take
me on the buying trips with him, and I would
get to buy the clothes. And then I started working
for him, and so that was my constant through because
we had to have jobs in our household, but I
would be my I was my dad's like a plus
employee until like all through college and that and then graduated,
and I kind of floundered, to be honest, like I
(07:25):
but I wasn't really stressed out, which maybe I should
have been. But why Like I went to college and
I was like, oh, I kind of suck at this,
Like I just I wasn't ready for learning. And the
funny thing is is like I'd love to learn, and
I'm so curious about the world, and I I'm always like,
you know, I think sometimes the higher education is wasted
on young people because if.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You're not ready to be there and learn it. I mean,
kids nowadays are so focused and are so amazing, but
I wasn't that.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So I was like, okay, I'm going to go travel.
Then I watched I mean, I'm so influenced by cinema
of course, as you are too, but I watched Tequila
Sunrise and Shelffiffer was the matre d of her restaurant
and she's making angel hair pasta, and I was.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Like, that's what I want to do. I want to
go around the restaurant.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I want to be Michelle Pfeiffer and have mel Gibson
come in and I'm going to make angel hair a
rossa whatever. And then so I was like, that's what
I'm going to do. So I was like systematic, and
I went to chef school and I went to food
and bevers school so that I could know both ends
of things. Like I think that's part of like really
(08:30):
what makes a stylist too, because you know, we can
go on a photo shoot and we're like, we can
produce it, we know how the best shot, we can
direct hair makeup, and then we can tell the photographer
what to do.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Like, that's our brains, right, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Okay, okay, well it's also freaking me out because you
know that was my first job.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I was a hostess time over. Oh no way, I
was nineteen. Well, okay, this is fucking wild. You can
an Italian. I worked like like up in Vancouver and
blah blah blah, and then I worked in this really
famous Vancouver restaurant. We won James Beard Awards. It was great.
I was really poised to become a partner in the
(09:06):
restaurant and a restaurant tour.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, and one day this fucking guy walked in and
he sat down on table seventeen and that was it.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That was Matthew Welch, my husband of twenty one years,
who came in, sat in my restaurant. He wrote me
a love letter and he and you remember working in restaurants.
Oh yeah, you're nice to people. That's our fucking job.
You want your tips? Oh yeah, you're nice? Oh yeah,
And I was, but I was always nice. But it's
(09:36):
also you know, it's the.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Performance, Like there's a song and dance, yes, and boys
flirt with you because they think you're being nice because
I'm basic but yes, and we had like a real
run and the like. It was all my best girlfriends
come from there.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That's where I built my biggest community.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
You know. They were all young, good looking girls. We
got to wear whatever we wanted and we were all
we all just really nice.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And a lot of boys came in and flirted. This
boy sat down and I was like, well, I guess
we're making a change. And that was it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I came down to Los Angeles to meet him, actually
in Palm Springs. I said, oh, I'm visiting my aunt
and he came and we literally were like, okay, let's
get married, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
And that was it. It was crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I'm dead, that's crazy. I met Roger. He was a
waiter and I was a hostess. Shut up and he
literally said to.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Me, whoever you see come in with a cell phone,
seat them in my section because they'll be the biggest tippers.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
They had money. They had money, literally and curious get
your teamwork from day Why that's so crazy?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Wait, I never see I could like stop here, we
can end here. I'm so happy now.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But did you love working at a restaurant like I?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
It was?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I have I have learned so much. That's why I
always say to young people, nothing you do is waste it.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Right. Yes, it's for me working in the store, for
me working in a coffee shop to working in a restaurant.
That's where my skills have come from.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
A billion percent.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
And they believe.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Now they graduate and want to be the vice president
of the company, and they want to be the first
president of the company, and they want to be paid
like it a thousand with the vacation days like that.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Go with it, and like the balance.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I know a few CEOs right now that when I
recommend people, they go do they ever work in a restaurant?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
And I said, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
They're like, I won't even meet somebody that hasn't worked
in a restaurant and been a waiter or a waitress.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
It's a thing.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So what you're saying is very valid because it's a discipline,
it's a way to talk to people, it's a way
to meet all kinds of people that.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
You have to like, I don't want to use the words.
And it's fun as fuck, Like it's so much fun.
You got caps in your pocket, like I know.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Watson, And that's also why I'm like an outrageous tipper.
Someone once said to me, you'll never go broke given
a good tip, and I was like, well, there you go.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh my god, it's so true. Okay, so fast, Nana already,
So come to La. And so I got married.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Crazy, I got married. You're a baby. We had a
bit of a how old were you?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
So I met Matthew and I was twenty just actually
my birthday's nine to eleven. It was my twenty seventh birthday.
And then we got married I think when I was
twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
So yeah, I was a baby. Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And you know, as someone who had worked their whole life,
it was really defined by work, and I still am
being down here and not having a job with a crisis.
It was like my first crisis in life where I
was like I don't know what to do, who I
am and what I want to do. But secretly, in
my mind I knew what I wanted to do. I
wanted to be a stylist.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I wanted to be a stylist, you know, in my
last year or so in Vancouver, especially when I met
Matthew because of the photography. He's a photographer.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, and I think that's right when we really started
knowing what or at least for me, like the fashion editor,
what's the fashion editor doing? And Philip's weren't quite hitting
it yet. You were about to bust on the scene, right,
But then then you.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Were there, and that was the kind of no, you're
my like total model, And I think nobody in our
position can say that you weren't you and you Andrew Lieberman,
of course, but like you were more like that. You
were in a in our eyes, you know, I don't
want to say in the face because that doesn't sound right,
but like, yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Then I started I foundered a bit and had a
lot of crises, especially when you're first married to someone.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Right of course you didn't even fucking know, of course,
and I was like what did I do?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
But I don't think I ever thought what did I do?
I thought, let me figure this out.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And well, all of a sudden you open your eyes
and you're like, it's that turning thirty crisis of like what, Okay,
I'm a grown up, Like what happens now?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
What happened? And what do I want to do?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
And what nourishes me? And I came from a family
of people who work and like are hard workers. So
I was just missing that, and so I started. Matthew
had a stylist who was always late, never prepared, and
he kind of I saw how it affected his job
and how he wasn't successful because of it, or you know,
he was still successful, but he wasn't like.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Killing it because of it. And I said, I can
do it.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And he's like, you can't, You've never done it. And
I started assisting a.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Bit, but I wasn't a good assistant. I was a
great employee either. I wasn't either, But because I think
I was just ready, you know, I just knew that
I had it in my mind. So I asked, like
a record label, I think it was like Atlantic Records,
if I could do this job that he had, and
they were like, it was no money, it was like
the easiest risk they could do.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I think I got one thousand dollars all in with
like four people, and then I.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Just was off to the rate and I ended up
negative basically on my time.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
So yeah, I mean I went I remember building out
the business when I started with Celerity AB, I went
like two hundred thousand dollars in debt.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh and back in the day when you had no
money nothing to begin with.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
No, Yeah, and you it was crazy for shipping and
FedEx and tailoring because the cliot wasn't paying, right, so.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, the client yeah and the label yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
So that's how it basically started. And I just and
then I was doing like lots of musicians and but
dude just kind of plugging away immediately. Yeah. I love it.
I love bah blah blah. I just loved it. I
love clothes. I loved it.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And I think that's the sort of thing that not
everybody knows until they're physically doing it, is that it's
not the I like clothes and I like fashion, so
I'm going to be a stylist.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It's the right.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Do you remember like stacking bags up your arms and
walking through like the Beverly Center, the cuts from the
plastic bags in your arms because you didn't want to
take two trips.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's I can feel the burn and my arms still. Yeah,
not like burn from the ropes in the back oh
right here in the trunk. Yeah, my god, I would
have join me.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Crazy was like the people taking the elevator at the
Beverly Center didn't need to take the elevator.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
They couldn't take the escalators, and then you had to
like take the escalators yourself because there were those elevators
were so slow and there were full of people who
didn't need to use them.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Totally, totally, so much grunt work, like weltering, sweltering, sweltering, weltering,
holding garment backs, tripping over and yes, one thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Because people have asked me, like, what was it like
to be a stylist in New York City, I'm like, oh, wedding, sweating,
climbing downstairs and walk up. When I started working in
LA I said, this is a vacation because you for
sure things in your car your car, and then I'm loaded.
It's very civilized. It's not civilized in New York.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Even now, I.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Don't want to go do a job in New York,
Like can you come in and do a fitting?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And I'm like, it's what I can.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
But okay, what was the like moment where you were
like okay, And maybe it wasn't like one, but was
there that moment where you got an opportunity and you
were like, this is the biggest opportunity of my entire
styling career and if I fuck this up, I'm done?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Or were you like I'm too nervous, you know, like,
what was your moment and when was that?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
I think one of my biggest things was like literally
getting kind of discovered and breaking into the celebrity market.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
You know, I got which is hard.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
An agent, Yeah, kind of plucked me and it was
like a real fairy tale story. And then I just
was like, I'll never say no no, and so I
said yes to every job that came my way because
I thought I can learn something. And this is basically
to the point where I would do a music video
until five in the morning and get on a plane
(17:30):
and go do an editorial in New York. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Kind of psychotic, But who am I to say? That's
not why I appear to everything today.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yes to everything, Yes to everything, And I honestly.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You know, I have an amazing team.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I've always had amazing people who really work with me,
like assistants and that. But then you know, people come
in and out and they're like, I just want the
balance and that's amazing. But if you want to do
what we do, it's a choice because the industry is
not going to change for you in this year or
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this decade.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It's just it's a choice.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And I respect people who want that life balance.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Good for you.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
But if you look at anybody who got to a
certain level, they got because they said, yes, it's true
and you can have that mindset. But when your name,
if you ever get your name on the door, you're
gonna call me and be like, oh my god, you're right.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, it's so incredibly true.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And it's funny because a lot of the women that
I've had on Clemean Heals said the same thing.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That they basically just always said yes because yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
There was something they could take away and even if
it sucked, it's how hot them.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And so many of them sucked. So many of them.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Sucked, especially the music videos, especially the nights, especially the
disgusting locations that felt like you were going to get killed,
and like, yeah, for sure, years of that and like,
but I have to say, I think it really does
put the fire in you to get where you where
you get to, honestly, And I think it's that grit
(18:59):
that makes you appreciate so much the like for sure,
the getting there, and I think it's like, I mean,
you know, and I know there are people that are
very confused as to who.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
The talent is.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And I think that's a more recent thing I do.
And I think you know that we can thank social
media for that and all of these things, but I
think at the end of the day, the old fashioned
way of working your fucking ass off, saying yes, being grateful,
getting your ass kicked a little bit, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think that's really the people that get to the top. Honestly, Rachel,
it's the waitresses. It is, well, what did you just
say there?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Say yes, work your ass up, get kicked around a bit. Yes,
it's a performance. It's the same skills that I had
working in that restaurant as here, but like a little
more fun.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
And retail is the same. Retail is the same, and
retail is the stame. And you're right about it.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I was with Petra the other night the show and
we're just talking about, oh, the next generation, because I
was popping up as that, you know what I mean,
I remember that, and there's always going to be.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
That, right, of course, I know that there'll be different
where my tielines run out.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
But I was like, yeah, but there's some of us
who are so consistent and chill and just our operators,
you know, not to take the glamor out of it.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
No, No, it's true. Also, I'm a fucking business woman.
I run a multimillion dollar company. Like that's that's Carlo
Welch Styling. That's the deal.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And it's like I pay my employees and I give
healthcare and retirement and it's like that to me is
like wow, that's part of it. You know.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
It's like it's so important.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And that's something I say to young people, like know
how to pay the bills because.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, because it's a business. But I you thought beyond it.
And that's the other thing I really want to talk
about that. Also, who who was your first client visible that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You were like that? People were like, who the.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Hell was Carla Welsh Oh, Olivia Wilde.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I just saw her at Baby to Baby. I love her.
She's fucking mean seven.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
We've been together seventeen years, no way, yeah, seventeen years.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So she's like my gen garn sixteen years. Yeah yeah totally.
I mean I'm not obviously doing it anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Oh yeah, we were together for one hundred years and
now we're now we're like mom friends.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Well, life just but you know you asked me like
that question of like where I thought, oh my god,
I have to make it or I'm dead.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yes, I mean I feel nervous every job I do.
I mean, not as much anymore, but I have that
letterfly Still there's butterflies. And I remember having like the
first kind of real movie star opportunity came I away
with an actress and she was trying out. It wasn't
that long ago, and she was trying out a couple
of stylists and everything went wrong for mine, like to
(21:56):
like Ted Cruz winning the election, to the fire, to
a shooting. It was just like a storm of like
negative and it didn't go my way.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
And I remember being devastated, and it's just like, yeah,
it doesn't always go your way, but like there's something
else great around the corner, and I'm like, I'm glad
it didn't work out, but.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Like, and I feel like a lot of things did
happen well for you over the last like yeah, you know,
really well, amazing, really well.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, with new clients, really well, clients that are crushing
out with Like isn't that funny in our business? Though?
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Because you still are like I mean, you're still want it,
which is I think great, like I still have that
fire in me.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Well, by the way, when you don't is when you
need to pause. And that's correct. When I did pause
from it, because yeah, I cool, you.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Were in a fucking shit storm, you know what I mean,
like us weekly when it was like the most insane,
like you.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
You like so much, so much, yeah, so much, and
also but also like created an industry, so thank you.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Well, I mean thank you and mentioned you all the
time sincerely, we wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
And listen, I wouldn't have known what to do. But
here's the thing I've taken.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Like, I think it's been about a seven year pause
from styling, and only this year did I realize, Okay,
I'm starting to remember why I lived and died for
it again. But I can do one or two people
like maybe you know, but like because it just started,
the industry changed a lot, and I think the politics
and the systems and the it got a little narley
(23:31):
for a minute. And listen, unlike you, because you have
incredible people on your team. I could not find incredible team.
I really struggle that.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So maybe if I do start styling, and then I'm
just going to have you hire my team. Okay, sure,
I'm great at that. Apparently I'm not super Still.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I'm really good at my team team, but styling for
whatever reason not so yeah, I'll come to you on that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Okay. So then what happens?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
So you're obviously this like superstar stylist and like world domination.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I think you're twenty years younger than you.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Are, all these great awards, all this great recognition, and
then you start doing. First of all, you're very loud
on social media, and you're very principled, and you're very
politically active and very not shy about your belief which
I love, which I love, and I've I've tried to
become louder over the last probably three years you have
(24:28):
and I think it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I love you too, I've caught me Listen.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think at some point, if you don't say something,
then you're complacent.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right now, one hundred percent, I believe that, right.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I remember that night we met and my speech because
I got like the voice of and it was really
before and I don't care to say that I started it,
because I certainly did not, But I remember in my
speech I said, no one in this room will lose
anything by speaking up. Yeah, but no one at the
time had yes. I remember Roger was like great speech.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, oh thank you. But I think it's we just
don't have it. It's fucking wild out there.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
It's why the world is freaking mess. It's our country
is insane, Like we should all be honest.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
The fact that we're not all walking on strike for
gun safety is insane to me. Of course, I understand
that's the complicity and like the complexities of things, but
like that's just who I am.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
But I was like that as a kid. That's who.
Like I remember my brothers were.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Like, we have a cabin on a lake and it's
it's not fancy, it's like rough in Canada. But they
were like shooting baby frogs with their beaby guns in
the water. So I jumped in the water and I
treaded water for like three hours so that they.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Couldn't shoot anything. I mean, I'm surprised I didn't shoot me,
to be completely honest. And it's a baby people. This
is not anything serious. But like I have, like I've
just never been afraid of it.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And I remember an agent who you know, we both know,
said to me, you better stop, you know, kind of
close your mouth shut a bit, and I said, just
you wait, like, yeah, no fucking way.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, I was selling clothes at the time when all
this sort of hot mess of this country started to
come out, and a lot of customers were in places
that don't share my same beliefs, and so a lot
of people at different positions were like, just stay quiet.
And then after a while I was like, nope, nope, nope, nope,
(26:24):
because then then I agree, right then I agree, And
so I think for me, it was just sort of
like there's a responsibility and also like a burning in
my soul to just scream, right, So I think all of.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
That, Okay, So then what happened?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So then you're like, okay, I want to start multiple
different parts of my brand in my business, right, because
then you're like, okay, I need more. I need to
not only style like you know, twenty amazing clients and
work my ass off and have the student people, but
like now I want more.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
So what happens?
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Yeah, And I also thought of it as like you know,
longevity and how can I provide for my family or
like multiple revenue streams, But also I also just thought
it would be fun.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, you know we in the era that you and
I kind of came up with, like you first and
me a little bit behind you.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You know, we got treated as wardrobe. Yeah, oh yeah,
here's your direction. And the admin always men would be
making the decisions. You know, you'd be on a beauty campaign, they'd.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Be like, well, blad telling you how a woman would feel,
or a perfume camping, and I would just think, I
just think you guys are bozos.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And some of them were amazing, and you could have
amazing creatives, But I thought, why are we siloed into
such a limited space?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Why like why wouldn't I design T shirts? Why wouldn't
I have these other ideas? Like I can not that
I am saying I'm some creative director.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I'm not, but I think that there was opportunities to
do so many more things and we kind of had
the platform to do it right like you did it.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yep, you're you need to bring back your line like
deal suits were so good?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Oh my god, Sarah Foster. Every day, where's the suits?
The good news is I'm still wearing them all the
time because I love them.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I placed I placed it close all the time.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I love I love so much, so I just think
about that someday, busy to day. It just has to
be in a better, better partnership, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah for sure. Yeah yeah yeah you could do like
a little more high end, we'd.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But you're so But yeah, I think that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I was like, I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Flex like a little more.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
And I think maybe that's because I was like underachiever
as well as a kid.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I'm like, are you okay? And what what part is
the underachiever? What are you know? As a kid? I was.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
My parents are think I'm a marvel. They're like, wow,
you were like so so much for our little stoner
I was.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I mean, who wanted to be a student. My kids
are my heroes right now, these right a kids, like
where did you come from?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Mommy's mind falls after me.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Unfortunately, my husband was like that straight a student really well.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
And he's creative to that, which is interesting.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah yeah, but he was like a straight a art
center student like of.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Course whatever, of course whatever. But you know, I just
thought it.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Would be like fun and and I think, like, you know,
besides you, I kind of was the first like the
one who followed of like having brand partnerships and having.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Collapse and ex Carla yeah, Levi's.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
For Levi's, it was like the Haynes and then Levis
Express and the Eddie Bauer and like I don't even
know what the hell I did. But like also like
stylists are pretty unique and that we understand what's missing
from the market right of course, and we touch every
when brands, which is everything right, Like we know we're
merchandisers in a way we can go into a store
(29:51):
and be like, you know, what's really missing is this?
So I love getting to do that side of things
consulting now and we're working with brands and but ultimately
I'm like you like for me, my rock stars are
like the peer Paula and Nikola Geskier's the friends of boys,
I mean, and to get to have like their clothes
(30:11):
come to my office or to work on a dress
with them. Watching the Rachel Zoho when you were like
with that dress you put on Cameron Diaz for the
Channel Blue, Everybody's mind that hears like a loose sight
heel and a freaking short dress to the globes, Like
come on, that's like one of the most iconic globe looks.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Ever and but how you talked about you got to
work with Carl, and it's like a drop dead moment
for me.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
That's a drop freaking dead, like put it on your
team Star. I worked with Carl, you know, literally and
like dropped out. I said, I can quite, I'm done.
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keep beginning.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
And for me, all I want to.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Do is bring their vision to life. So you know,
so sometimes it's fun to bring our visions to life.
But for me, I have so such deep respect for
the designers and one and to make them happy.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, so it's a thrill. So for me, it's always
still a thrill.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
But by the way, and that should always be your
reminder that that's why you're doing it, like meaning, that's
what wakes you up.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And I think that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It's like that fire, that obsession with that moment and
like they walk out the door and they walk onto
the carpet and you're like.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Like yeah on your phone.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
The best is when other stylists are like ding dinging,
I love it, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I was just doing that with Sam, who I love
and she's in Canda, sweetest girl. You know, I started there.
She was the only stylist that was nice to me.
Her and Elizabeth Stewart were nice to me, and everyone
else was really mean.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I cried and Andrea, So there's only room to be
There's just just not and it's all changing so much too,
Like you look at the carpet sometimes and you think,
what are we doing this for?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Like where's the meaning?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I still love it, but like you know, with streamers
and the saturation level of event, then yeah, we could
reclaim a little magic.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I think.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I don't know how other but I think that's why
you're diversifying for that reason. Yeah, so they can keep
doing what you love and keep touching other things. So
you keep it bit new and you keep it interesting,
you keep your creative sort of flow going because that's
very important, especially for creative people, because if not.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, for sure, you start to get really pissed off
about things. You know what I mean. Listen when you're
getting a little pissed off about it, too pissed off
about it, I mean, then you know it's time, right.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
No, it's true, it's true. But I will say I
think that you're very inspiring for so many reasons. And
I think that your your loud voice is appreciated I
think by a lot of people. And I you know,
and I think and I also think, you know, it's
funny like your personal style, like for anyone who doesn't
know what Carla looks like she's this very like if
you know reality bites and one on a Ryder.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That's her total vibe. And she's so cute.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
She's a little pixie with this Canadian accent about oh
my god, which I love.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
But okay, so you're also I think what we need
to really mention here is that you're also a mother
of a teenager.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I am. I don't do it people, right, trap, No,
you have the sweetest boys. I mean, my kid's amazing,
not sweet. I look at you and I think, oh,
look at those sweet angels.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, but they're also nine and twelve. They're nine and twelve.
They're going to be sweet forever. I hope, I can tell.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I hope so, I mean, I hope so. But listen,
I think this working mom thing to me is the
hardest job out there.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I just do because I think there's a pull and
I think theause it is they need you. Of course,
you know, being a child is the one thing. My
husband was like, you know, we need a little more gift,
and I was like, when did you give to your
or single mom? You didn't exact childhood.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Is like when you get to be an asshole with
abandon and you're parents still have to love.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
You like you don't have a choice, and your heart
won't let you have a choice. Right. I can never
in my kids be an addict, tom Me.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I could still not never just want to gobble them up,
of course, because I do.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It's crazy. Wait, it's crazy. How old? How old is
he now? He is seventeen? Oh my god, God, that's wild,
that's wild.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
So, and I also want to point out something that
I think is actually very important because while you're building
your career at its most pinnacle, challenging times of building,
also married to a creative And that is also something
I want to mention because when I was starting out,
it was sort of the whole like New York thing,
(35:47):
like twenty five, I went freelance. Right again, not a
great assistant. So I went freelance at twenty five and
Roger was an investment banker. So we basically didn't see
each other for like five years because he was working
twenty four seven. I was making my editor job seventeen
thou five hundred dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Just you know, remember when editorials paid one seventy five
Oh yeah, I do. Actually we had to BEG.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
We did to BEG for two hundred and I ended
up negative because you had to pay for all the
messengers and stuff. So I think I want to touch
on that because I had my children later in life,
I had already been doing my career. I think like
fifteen years Roger and I were together eighteen years before
we had kids.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
So but I always say, in hindsight, like how would
I have ever done that while built? Because I was
working literally twenty hours a day, flying all the world,
like doing the music videos, and.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
You you would enough by the way, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I might have been not building my career as well,
or like maybe even an absent mom, Like I don't know,
So how did you do this?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Did you take him everywhere with you? How did you?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I did it?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
To be and listen, I'll give you some pretty heartbreaking news,
like I know that I missed on a lot for
my career, which is it's hard to say and it's
a hard pill to swallow, and I don't think it's
like I mean, it is what it is. Like, I'm
not saying it for any sort of sympathy, but like
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there are pivotal years that I need it to be
there and I wasn't, and you know, like a little
more of a bad story about my kid, and he's
trends and he's like.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
You know, there's a lot that goes with it.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
You know. Also I didn't come up when there was
like mummy blogs or in social media. Was not happening
when I was like the resource I was like in
my thirties, but like somehow, I mean, it just happened.
I didn't even think I'd get pregnant. It wasn't a thing,
and we just kind of like I was probably a
little like a lax about it. But I will say
(37:44):
I'm so fucking grateful to my husband because he we
switched roles, right, we switched traditional roles, and Matthew really
raised Clem and gave up so much of his own
creativity and in his goals to allow me to like
super sore. But if I had to look at it,
and I say to moms that, because we all are
(38:06):
moms now, I say to them, with you younger kids,
like you got to carve out that like you're in
that time right now, You've done it perfectly right.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
You had like the pinnacle of the pinnacle. Then you
had your babies and then you've got to have them
in like the most important time of their life. And
I didn't get to do that. So I'm gonna like,
you know, but let's.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Write a book about Yeah, I don't actually have regrets
because I've built a fucking amazing career and I'm so
proud of it.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yes, I have payings of hurt over it, of course,
as we do. So I don't understand. Yeah, yeah, it's
where it's like, oh man, listen, damn it. We don't
write this right. We don't write it.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
We don't script totally right, we don't like and I
think if you do, no life follows script right.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
It just doesn't. It doesn't work like that. And I
think that, Listen.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I know a lot of moms right now, creative moms
in our field who are there busting their fucking asses
and their husbands are home.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
It works, and it works, and it works, and I
need their mom. I hate to say it, like you
need a mom, I mean not an a Hey, listen,
that sounds so privileged.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Actually, you know, I know it means like if you
you know what I mean, Like there's like Clement, I
have like such an incredible bond but Clement Matthew are
bestie's like, you know, I don't have they I get it.
I get it.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
So it's just a different and it's probably not the
narrative we were taught to write where it's like that
it would be ass out doing it.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Of course, that's all okay.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
So you have a seventeen year old, they have a
nine year old, like what, So like I could say,
oh my god, I just shows a young mom.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Of course, right exactly. There's trade offs, right, and I
think there's all the trade offs, so I could do
it differently. Oh, I would try to balance a little
more though, but it's our business doesn't allow it doesn't.
And I do say that.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
And it's interesting because I think, and I really stopped
was when I had my second child and I realized
that I was sending team out to do the job
and that did not work.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
For me, and it didn't work in our clients. It
doesn't work. So you really didn't have a choice in
that moment.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And I think you should really know that that you
didn't have a choice, and you should go to sleep
at night knowing that you didn't have a choice because
you were providing food and you were you were told
you what now?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Will set up clem later?
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Sure, And so I think and I do think that
some of the hardest working people I know come from
badass moms who work their ass off and very hard
when the kids are little, and then they really grow
up and go, God, fucking I get it, like I
get why she did this, and I'm so great, Well
it will it will not at seventeen, at twenty three, again,
(40:48):
you've built something incredible. You should be really fucking proud
of yourself. You do a lot in the fucking world,
not just for fashion, and you know, and.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I think you should. I think you should.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah I don't.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I don't regret it, which is like kind of an
interesting thing to have too.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
But it's like, yeah, it's just the pangs, right, But
I did you know what, I like to remind Cleama
from like one to three, that kid was on like
when the flights were free.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
He was on all the New York jobs. So I'm like,
I didn't ditch you. You just don't remember.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
By the way, they don't remember anything till after three. Okay,
So wait, last thing, So can you tell me about
the period company? Because I really do want to understand it,
and it is quite significant in our world.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
So please please, it's a major thing.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
So I actually started it because Clem, even though he's
a boy, got his period early, okay, and it was
like ten years old, and this little cute meathead didn't
know like a at the time, I didn't know Clem
was at transit.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Okay, and so there was all this, but he did.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
So there was all this, just this trauma around getting
their period, okay, But there was also logistically, like you're
you're asking a ten year old to change pads at
a school. Sure, And at the exact same time, I
was like kind of grossed out with the amount of
period waste I was creating, like pads and tampons for
everyone watching never decomposed, so the first one your grandmother's
(42:14):
ever used is still on the planet.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
So it was kind of just like the.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Light bulb went off the head because there was period underwear,
because I thought that was going to be the best
bet for Clem, but it was super cost prohibited, and
I didn't find it to be a really great product,
Like it was good for a backup if your tampon leaked, okay, great,
you catch it in your underwear because Tampont's leak all
the time. So I just kind of had a moment
and I had done understood manufacturing because of my t
(42:42):
shirt line, and I thought, I'm going to make the
most absorbent and affordable period underwear in the world, and
I'm going to make it so that every kid and
every mom and every dad or anybody with a period
could choose this way to period, because it.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Was just it just is better. You know, I'm not
I'm biased, but like I find it, it's a much
more enjoyable way to have your period.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And so I have an amazing co founder. It's this woman,
Sasha Markov, who's an incredible CMO, and she brought impossible
burgers to life, like she worked at Mother London for
many many years, and she I told her the idea
and that I was going to do, and she said, well,
the most important thing of having a great product is
having a great brand. So let's do it together. And
right that was like pure serendipity because we had met
(43:24):
each other many years later before or rather, and so
we've come together and our main goal was like, wow,
periods have kind of mean looked upon, is really shitty.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Our whole lives. We've been told they're shitty.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Right, We've been told globally that they're a stigma and
that they're awful, and they can be.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, but like what if we.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Were told something completely different, and what if boys were
told something completely different? What a different maybe world we'd have? Right,
So we started the company. We called it period blah
blah blah blahlah. We launched immediately. On day one, someone
sends me this letter about like period poverty, which of
course I knew. Period poverty is when people don't have
access to care, like one in four Americans, which is
(44:07):
that's so insane to me, it's mental. But we quickly
we thought we were a sustainability company, which we were,
but then we realized, oh my god, we're not. We're
a mission driven company and our mission is to eradicate
sustainably eradicate period poverty. So we work with organizations, so
we have a direct consumer business. We just launched nationwide
(44:29):
in Walmart, which is amazing, Like on the capitalist side
of it, unbelievable, going great, But the most important side
of it is that we work with orgs all over
the world, whether they're governments or ntos or just private
foundations of people who want to make impact. All these
programs were about to launch this incredible program in Kauhi
(44:51):
where every single person in Kauhai, regardless if they're you
or me with a bank account or someone at the
poverty line, working poor, everybody five pairs of underwear and
a pack of pads to see what happens in a
space when you imagine that nobody goes without and everybody
has a democratized form of care.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
So we're going to see what happens. We're going back
into Kenya. Yeah, it's so like, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
It gives me the same feeling is when I get
an amazing couture dress, Yeah, which is like I smell
the dichotomy and I'm like wow that. But it's just
my life's purpose is actually to do this work, and
everything's led to this moment. You know, I had an
amazing platform because I had amazing clients and friends who
(45:39):
elevated our brand in ways brands couldn't buy. Right, they
can't buy the impact we've had already just with social and.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
We do an amazing thing where we like team up
with friends or celebrities and we do match days where
they'll say, hey, friends, the period Company's going to match
everything that says Rachel today, and then we do a
big donation. So we just kind of work relentlessly to
show the world.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
That it can be done, because our huge goal is,
like listen, we want someone to come in and we
want governments to come in and say, okay, we see
what you did here.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
We saw the.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
If they'll admit that we actually have it, you know what,
it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
I mean, a we could go a girl got killed
by her brother for having her period in India.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I know, sorry I should give you that trigger warning.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
I mean, but it's like, because you don't even know
what a period, Lily thought diverse.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
It's the craziest thing.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
It's like baby snippers. They thought, you know, so so
much education as needed, and it's like, but if you
just start, you can change things. And maybe we're in
a different world now where we can't rely on government
to help it changes. And maybe it's just great citizens,
but I think you can combine everybody like citizens, governments
and businesses and billionaires. Come on, come on buying, you know,
(46:55):
buy us undred million pairs of period of time.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
It's true, it's true, and I think, but it's funny,
because funny, sort of ironic, because it's sort of you
think about this concept, You're like, how do I change
the world with this?
Speaker 2 (47:06):
How do I impact the entire freaking world with this?
Speaker 5 (47:09):
Right?
Speaker 2 (47:09):
And it seems overwhelming, but I think that.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
You're already scratching the service in a really, really big way,
and in a very short time.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I mean, this is when did you launches two and
a half years? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (47:22):
God, that's incredible, Yeah, amazing, amazing, And even getting people
to have the conversation is helpful.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Listen, we have signs in Walmart that's a period on
them bless less Lass, Thank you Walmart, thank you Allmart.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Oh my god, adore you. I adore you. I love
your passion. You're so talented. I love all the.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Girls that you work with and the boys and the
boys you work with boys too, a lot of them,
justin Bieber Casual and Hayley that one casual.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yes, but I love all that you're doing. I love
I really do. I love your voice. I love your
loud voice. I know it's loud, but I love because
I've bone it down. But no, don't actually really don't know.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
I can't because you know what, so many people who've
really had their had their rights squandered over years, who
don't look like us. Right, we're white women, So we
have to run out of privilege in our lifetime. We
have to spend the privilege we have until the day
we die, because we're not allowed to get tired.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
They're like, Oh, I'm tired. I don't want to do anything.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
Tell that to the civil rights fighters, the freedom fighters,
It's true who've.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Come before us like we don't get to And that's
just the way it is, period. And I love you
more for it. So thank you, my love. I love
having you. I I could talk to you.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
I could do a part two and a part three,
but you know I am going to let you whenever life.
But thanks for having me, right, Jel, I had such
a pleasure where you have such a great I love
you keep doing your world domination and loving it.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
It's that time in the show and I answer to
listener questions, so let's see what we have today. Hi.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I love this podcast, and I have a question for
Rachel that I'd love to hear her answer. I'm a
mommy to two beautiful children, there's seven and three. My
first love was fashion design, but I was at a
point with my brand where it made more sense to
take a break and be with my kids. Now that
my youngest is three, I'm dreaming of getting my brand
(49:28):
going again at thirty four years old. Do you think
that ship has sailed? Am I crazy to try and
start back right now? If not, do you have any
advice for someone trying to come back from taking a
break after having kids?
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Thanks Rachel.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Okay, So, first of all, no, it's never too late
to come back or start over or continue what you started.
I do think you have to first take a look
at the business that you're in and what you're going
back to, because chances are it has changed a lot.
I don't know a business that hasn't evolved and changed
substantially over the last five to seven years, So I
(50:06):
would definitely really think about that before you go headfirst
into it. But absolutely thirty four is the perfect age,
and I would argue to say that you are probably
more focused, mature, and probably have the right perspectives on things,
including business at thirty four than you were at twenty six.
(50:30):
And you know, I really find, especially with women, that
the older we get, I really think the better we
are mentally, physically, emotionally, all the things. So no, and
I think that I would say, depending on what you do,
I would say, really study it and really see what
the market is looking for and also what the market
is missing, and really consider that and start small, Start small,
(50:53):
and don't get yourself into a big overwhelming situation with
inventory and things like that.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
So look, Okay, next question.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
I am going to be a mother of the groom
in February twenty twenty four. That's very exciting. Any suggestions
where to look for a dress gown? I want modern,
up to date style. Also, any ideas what will be
in for next February, Well, I would say listen. I
believe there's so many variables to consider with a wedding.
(51:24):
I got married in February in New York City and
it was black tie, and it was at night, and
it was at the Rainbow Room. So my bridesmaids all
wore black velvet and my mother wore gold, and I
believe Roger's mother also wore like white and gold. I
think when you're in February, depending on is it black tie,
where is it is it in a way wedding? Is
(51:45):
it a city wedding. Are you in cold weather, are
you in warm weather? All those things sort of weigh
into it. But I would say color wise, I love
navy in February. I love gold all year round. I
do think you can wear black as the mother of
the groom, but navy is a better option, or a
metallic I think is really chic.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I love a sleeve.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
I love an off the shoulder because I think the
prettiest part of women is their sort of neck and shoulders,
especially at a wedding. I do love Monique Lulier for
everything wedding. I love your wing. It depends really on
what your budget is because there's really so many options
out there in every price range. You can also get
something custom made. You can pull a dress image that
(52:24):
you love and have it made at your local sort
of seamstress shop and pick your fabrics and things like that,
but obviously that's a lot more work. Show me your
MUMU does amazing sort of bridle in every size, shape, color.
They do a huge wedding business and very reasonable, so
I think that's also a great one. But that would
be my suggestion, So good luck. Okay, everybody, don't forget
(52:46):
to submit your questions.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
For next week's episode.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
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(53:35):
I want to thank Carlo so much for coming on
climbing and heels. I love bonding with her even more
over the pain that we both experience growing our careers.
You know, I've said it a thousand times. Styling is
not what it appears to be. It is grueling, it
is painful, it is not glamorous ninety percent of the time.
(53:57):
It's not what you see on Instagram. But it's amazing
and I think you know you can clearly see the
passion in Carla's eyes and in her soul. You can
hear it in her voice that she still loves it
so much. She's very grateful to her work, to her clients.
She's expanded on her brand in so many different ways,
and I mean just honestly reminiscing about emptying our cars
(54:20):
in a mall and carrying the things out of the
Beverly Center and literally like having our arms cut up
from holding so many bags because you don't want to
make another trip. That really just got me because it's
just so clear in my mind still after all these years,
Carla has really helped lead the way in really speaking
very loudly, very candidly about things that matter to her,
(54:41):
whether it's politics, whether it's equal rights, and using our
social platforms for good and speaking up because I do
believe if you don't speak up, it really means that
you agree with what's going on in the world. If
you want more Climbing in Heels content, follow me on
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