Sara Foster: The Hustle & Grind Is Worth It

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Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
in Heels. The show is all about celebrating the most
extraordinary superwomen who will be sharing their incredible journeys to
the top, all while staying glamorous. Okay, so today with me,
we have someone that doesn't climb in heels and typically

(00:49):
in sweats, but still she is perfect for climbing in
heels and I'm so happy to have ron. We have
the incredible Los Angeles and raised Sarah Foster.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
She is a former.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Model, actress, business owner, entrepreneur, and incredible really incredible super
mom just to name a few different hats that she wears.
And in this episode we talk about Sarah growing up
with extreme privilege, the importance of rejection, growth, and going
after the things you really want. I am so excited

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for you all to listen to this episode. It is
most definitely a favorite, totally unbiased. But Sarah is funny,
She's candid, and she really just says it. She really
means what she says, and she just lays it all
out without any regret. So let me start first by saying, obviously,

(01:49):
I'm so happy to have you on. I've had so
many of my favorite people on Clemian. Heels is really
just it's kind of funny because you barely wear heels.
You do sometimes when you really care, but it's really
not about heels. It's obviously I use that as a
very tongue in cheek way to really talk about my
favorite women in my life, but really the ones who

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have gotten to the top in so many different ways,
not easily. I don't care how you were born, doesn't matter.
It's not easy. And I think we've all had different
challenges in our journeys to where we are. And I
think I really wanted to have you on because you know,

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you're still the prettiest person I know. But I think
taking all that away, taking all this sort of outside away,
I think it's important that people know, and I think
they're starting to really see now how much you have
to you and how much voice and opinion, how smart
you are, how driven you are, what an amazing mom

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you are, and now like a crazy entrepreneur and venture capitalist,
and the thing that I have to tell you, in
the twenty something years i've known you no life that
I think you'd start a clothing line, But here you are,
and it's doing so well and I love it so much.
So I want to talk about all these things. But
I also want to start a little bit because I
think it's very important to just go back a second.

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You're very open and candid about how you grew up,
where you grew up, things you weren't challenged with, and
things you are.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
But I do want to sort of touch you.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Obviously grew up in La right, grew up with you know,
obviously famous dad.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm going to say it's with a lot of privilege.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
I'll just say it. We can say I grew up
with a lot of privilege.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
But I do want to talk about that because that's
also such a thing right now, that you're not allowed
to actually be born of privilege and be successful without
people trying to kick you down. And I don't believe
in that so, but you're very open about I am
born to privilege, and with that, I was very lucky
in many ways.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
But let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I just think this idea.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
First of all, I wouldn't say that I love your
podcast about getting to the top in places. I am
definitely so not at the top of any place very much.
I'm very much like in the middle maybe, but like you're.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Still climbing, but you're still freaking climbing.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yes, I'm definitely definitely climbate, clawing maybe.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
So I think there's two things to it.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
I think it's really crazy to me that people that
want to fight or deny this privileged thing.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I think so many people feel.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Like, Okay, if I admit that I grew up in privilege,
then it completely takes away from what I've built, right, and.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
I just don't agree with that.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
I think I think it would be crazy to not
admit and to not celebrate how I grew up. I
grew up with privilege. I grew up I didn't have
to worry about money. I didn't have to worry about
where my next meal was coming from. I didn't have
to worry about how am I going to get to school?
And yeah, Okay, is that the reason why I have

(04:56):
a Netflix show? No, Because at the end of the day,
you doesn't matter who your parent is.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
You have to write a good show to be right.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
But what it did do you can't take away the
kind of that safety net does to your mental health.
I grew up with, for the most part, like pretty
great mental health, which then gives you opportunity. So, yes,
is my dad being a music producer, Is that the
reason why I have a successful clothing brand that he

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didn't put a dollar into.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
No.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
No, by the way, I fucking love you, but yes, no, yes.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
But I was able to build the blocks that I
built to one day then started a clothing brand because
of healthy relationships in my life, which were because I
had a healthy childhood. So it's like you just can't
like take away what growing up with stability does to
your future.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
It completely gives you a leg up.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
And I think that's where people get confused, is like
people get so defensive. They're like, I, yeah, okay, fine, whatever,
Like my mom was a famous.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
This, but like that is not why I am where
I am.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
And right, we just have to like kill back the
onion a little bit because a lot of the time.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
It really is the reason people think it is, do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, No, that's actually such a good point because I
think people don't even consider that fact. I think people
actually just go to the well because she knows this
and I'm sure her dad got her this, you know connection,
and I'm sure blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yet so defensive, they're like, well, my mom didn't make
a phone call for me to get that job. It's like, okay,
but we're not even talking about that. Yes, like Kate
Hudson might have gotten into certain rooms at the beginning
because her mom is Goldie hom but she did not
get nominated for an Oscar because her mom is Goldiem.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
It's one thousand percent correctly.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
On is not showing up and morphing into Kate Hudson
to deliver the lines and create an Oscar winning performance.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
So it's true. No, No, I feel like I'm screaming.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Am I screaming? Yes?

Speaker 1 (07:03):
But it's okay, it's your passion, not screaming loud like it.
It's not offending me in anyway. But I do want
to point out and similar, you know, it's funny. I've
had so many incredible women on the podcast, and some
of them have grown up in full struggle, in full
survival mode, in full like I didn't know where my
next meal was coming from, and you know, quite opposite.

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But I have to say they have no resentment, no betterness.
And I think, interestingly enough, how some people hide that
they're from privilege. It's only now that some of these
women are comfortable saying I grew up in survival mode.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
I grew up in survival mode from a single mom.
I barely graduated high school, that kind of thing. And
I think what's interesting and what I want to touch
on is that you very recently talked about like, Okay,
I didn't graduate college, I didn't whatever.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Because I like to touch on education, because I have
to say, for as many people I actually think and
you were sent, of the women that I've had on
here did not go to college. A few didn't graduate
high school. I personally have no. I couldn't care less.
So for me, I want to know where you stand
on that. And because I really look, it doesn't define.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
You, no, No, I think growing up when you are
not growing up privilege, I think you develop a grit
that is hugely beneficial to life. Yes, So I think
we see a lot of kids that grow up with
privilege and they've never had to develop the skills and

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the emotional intelligence when everything is handed to you to
survive in life. Like, we know a lot of people
that grew up in great privilege and have never been
able to figure it out in life because they never.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Had to as a kid.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Of course, So I grew up in privilege, but I
also grew up where it was like a lot of
tough love in my house. It was told to me
at a very young age by my daddy looked at
us when we were very young, and he was like,
I want to be really clear.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
I have money. You do not have money.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yes, okay, in my will, I will leave you money,
but you are not. You are not coming into money.
So I'm just he laid it out very young. I
think it's really kind of like blame and unbecoming when
people never want to acknowledge how they were helped and how.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
All those things. I'm like, come on, like, let's get real.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Sure I am, but I do have to say like
it was laid out really early on that I was
not going to have a life of.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
It was going to be handed to you.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
No, he's I asked him for parenting advice when our
kids were babies, and that's what he said to me.
He said, you need to tell them that you are successful.
They're not successful. You're rich, they're not. And I looked
at him. It stuck with me, It really stuck.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
I think if I knew I was like coming into money,
like I can't imagine what that does to a young
person developing, I probably would have been like amazing, Like
why would.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I ever have to get my shit together? How great
I can like ride horses all day.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
That sounds amazing, which you do want to do right now.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
By the way, Yeah, which I do want to do now.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
It's all that's a big what I think about this,
all this work. I'm like, I'm very clear, all this
work is to just get me to the farm where
I can have horses in my backyard and not have
to worry about a mortgage. Yeah. So my thoughts on
college are this. I think for my kids, you know,
they grew up in a house with a dad who

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is Tommy had an undeniable talent at three years old.
At three years old, it was like, this is an
undeniable talent. At ten years old, it was like, oh,
you're going to be the next Boris Becker of Germany.
So he didn't college wasn't even on the table because
he had like a god given undeniable talent as a

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tennis player.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
So that Tommy has everybody if you don't know, but
Tommy Hass her very handsome other half and father of
her two incredible children.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, yeah, Tommy, that is point ohoo one percent of
the planet. So he tells our kids like, you don't
need to go to college, and I'm like me, that
is horrible advice. They don't have god given talent the
way you do. Okay, most people don't. And my feeling
is because I did not go to college. It's not
that I think going to college is you know that

(11:13):
class you take in intro to biology is going to
change your life. But what I think it does do
I think that it creates kind of your future business partners.
It's where you meet your future team, your future like bunker,
like all of the people I work with now reference like, oh,

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we met in business school, we met in we met.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
In college and they're now business partners.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
So it's not like I think you need that you
know economics class, well, maybe you do, but I think
that it really does set you.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
On this path of your tribe.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
And that's something that I didn't have because I didn't
go to college. I was like a hustler, Like I
was always like hustling, and I didn't have a tribe
of like minded people. I never went into business with
friends because I just I didn't create that tribe early on.
So I fell into what I'm doing like a little
later in life, and it was harder, Like it really was.

(12:09):
I wish that I was doing what I'm doing now
a little bit earlier, but that was my trajectory.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
And that's okay.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
But that's why I want my kids to go to
college unless they're all of a sudden going to wake
up as a professional athlete.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
In short of being a professional athlete, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
I'm not going to be okay with like, Okay, you're eighteen,
you have this idea, start.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
A business, raise money?

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Now?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Really, yeah, you have an idea for a business. Great,
Well that's not good enough.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
Go to college and work on your idea on the weekends,
like you don't get to just not go to college
because you have an idea. So I actually do believe
in college because that's how I feel.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Now.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Well I liked it.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Well, I'll tell you why because and I want to
know if you felt like this. But some of the
women I've spoken to, in fact, I think all of
them because they didn't go to college. It was the
thing that really it was that box they didn't check,
and they in conversations with people because up until you're
probably like in your thirties, people go, where did you
go to school?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Oh? What college did you go to?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Right?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
I don't know if it's such a thing here, but
when I grew up, it wasn't like are you going?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
It was where are you going?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Right?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I do think it's this very loud conversation that happens
now in society because I think a lot of kids
aren't going, and I think parents are starting to not
really care that they're not going. But I think I
think for me, the one thing I would say to
your point, and why I think you're making such a
good point, I went to college.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
And what I take from it is I grew up.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I grew up, I learned to be on my own
and live and live on my own and not go
to my parents for everything, and understand how to deal
with things when I wasn't with my parents. And that
was honestly my biggest takeaway from those pres.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
And I also think there's something really there's a real
lesson in life at like during the process of applying
to college. Yeah, I mean like rejection, rejection, Rejection is crucial.
Rejection is crucial to life skills, that rejection is crucial

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to like how we're gonna live our life as an adult.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
And I think this like society right now, I'm worried
for this generation.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
I'm worried for my daughter, your son's generation, these twelve
year olds. They don't want to be uncomfortable for one second. Yes,
Valentina called me from school recently and was like, Mom,
I am so upset the librarian.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
She looked at me.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
She gave me a look, and the look made me
very uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
And I go, Okay, Valentina, well what were you doing?
What was what? Like explained it to me.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
She's like, well, the librarian, you know, came up to
me and told me, you know, asked me.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
If I should if I should be in here.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
I'm like, I'm sorry what the librarian asked you if
you were supposed to be in the library because it
was during normal class hours and you weren't supposed to
be in the fucking library and she looked at you
and it made you on comfortable, and now you want
to like go write a song about it.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
This is our generation. I'm like, oh my god, tough
in the fuck up kids, It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
You're not You're right, No, I'm like, not, okay, So
I want our kids to have a little bit of
a thicker skin because society is just making.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Them so weak.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
I agree, And you know, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Before we got on, I was saying to Emmy, I
was like, you know, funny, my goals for Sarah when
I met her as this gorgeous girl that opened Kate
Hudson's front door in like her ugs and her cut
off jean shorts and a white tank with a you
know what in your hand.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
I'm not shirt.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Well, I was like seventeen, so I was not wearing
like ugs and booty shorts as an adult.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I was no, no, she was literally a teenager, literally a
teenager not legal to do anything yet, And I literally
she opened the door and I was like, who the
fuck is this supermodel? And then my goals and aspirations
for miss Sarah Foster after that was pleased be a
supermodel and she was like no, and I was like,
but really that would be like an easy way for

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you to like see the world, meet great people and
make tons of money, and you had zero interest in that.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
You fought me tooth and now.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
I did, but also like, let I have to say
that's not fully true.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Like I did.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I didn't get a model.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Little I did know. I did try, and like nobody
else you'd.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Me the way you.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Did, I guess because I didn't.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Get that many dogs.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
So I love you so much, but I did run
a model, even like you're not really model material.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
No, it was really that you just you you honestly
didn't want it. It was I think because more people
were like telling you to do it rather than you
really wanting to do it.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
I think if we're being honest, like who doesn't want
to be a supermodel? I think I wrestled between like, okay,
of course who wouldn't want it if they're trying it?
But then I think I never I don't know, I
think I was afraid that. Like listen, it's the classic thing,
right if I really admitted I wanted it, if it
really admitted then I tried, or that I want to try,

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and then if it didn't work out, then that says
something about me. And now, of course, as an adult,
I can look back and understand that, but in it,
my whole twenties were based around longing for a guide
that dumped me and like didn't want me and.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
How do I live?

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah? And am I a model? Am I an actress?

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Like?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
What am I? And Jesus? I just so hope more.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
For my daughters?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Right?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Well, okay, so I want to talk about that. So
you go into sort of modeling acting Backstreet Boy video
which I just watched and died because I just for
me every time I see those, it's like, this is
your life. So I want to talk about that, because
do you feel like growing up in LA it's just
like the thing, right, Like, so I go to college,

(18:01):
I look like this, I'm so and So's daughter. Am
I just supposed to go into entertainment or at any
point where you like, did you go to sleep at
night going what the fuck am I doing with my life?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Like what do you know?

Speaker 3 (18:12):
What I mean?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, like what because I obviously knew you then, right,
And to me it was just like you're the most
lovable person.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
You're everybody's favorite.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Like you are who you are though, like you established
very clearly who you are as a friend, who you
are in people's lives.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
You're really not full of shit. You're not a bullshit person.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
You're not.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
I think you're a very specific person.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
And I think, like I don't know, you're very open
about how you feel about things. And I think for me,
I just wonder, did you just say, like, Okay, maybe
I like acting, maybe I want to do this, maybe
I'm really going to go for this, but.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
How you know? Because I feel like a lot of
people grow up.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Here and they just it's like assumed they may do
that or very much assume they're not touching that, right.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
I mean, I wish I had an answer that I
was are proud of. I have so much respect for
people who are like very clear about who they are
and what they want to be at a young age.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I think that's such a gift to.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Like know what you want and then have a real
path forward and a real plan and go after the
things they want, and I think I didn't know what
I wanted for sure. I think it's really I don't
want to say a curse, but I think it's really
dangerous when you're being told from a very young age
that you're beautiful, you know, and I know that sounds like.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Oh no, no, no, no, I get it, I understand what
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Really toxic.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Looking back, thinking about how many adults were comfortable commenting
on the way I looked since I was like eleven,
you know, I was tall, I was like looked older
than I was.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
So many adults commented on my appearance.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
And I think about it now because when I see
Valentina and her friends and she has all these gorgeou
as friends, and I stopped myself every time my instincts
be like, oh, I'm sorry, you're so beautiful, I stop myself.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Too, because it's not healthy.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's not you're right, it's just not healthy.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
It gave me a really convoluted perception of things. And honestly,
I think it was like, oh, okay, everyone's been telling
me like I'm beautiful for so long, and how people
would tell me, by the way, at like fourteen, why
aren't you modeling?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Right? Are you? Are you crazy? Like why aren't you?
Why aren't you modeling? And it's like looking back and
like because.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
I was fucking fourteen, right and I was, and I
was in I was in eighth grade or ninth grade,
Like why are adults saying this to me? Like what
the hell you should that shouldn't even be on your
radar at that age. And so I think as I
got older, like in high school and I'm sixteen and
I'm seventeen.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
And people are like keeping like, oh my god, like
mayn't you? And then I had an older boyfriend and
my shoulder boyfriend.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Looking back, I'm like my poor parents who like tried
to like pay him to not date me.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Okay, got to respect it.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Well, my dad, my dad offered him money like ill
you to stay away from my daughter and he didn't
take it.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
You gotta respect it.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
I was very studious up until like tenth grade. I
got straight a's. I wore a pen around my neck.
I was like, I want to go to Stanford. I
had Stanford pens and notebook pads and my mom took
me to visit Stanford when I was like thirteen, and
i just I went down the wrong path, and not
the wrong path of like I never did drugs, No,

(21:42):
I never No, I've never tried a drug. I was
never like promiscuous, I was never like I never got
like wasted. But I went down the wrong path where
I really I wanted to be an adult. So I
started dating this older guy, and I like created this
adult life with this guy. I mean, granted, he wasn't
like forty, you guys, he was like twenty or eight
or nineteen, but I was fifteen, you know, and that

(22:05):
was a lot older. So I started going like, oh,
I just want to be with this person. I just
want to be with this person, and I want to
like be a wife, and I just want to live
this adult life.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
And so I think as the years went by, like
now I'm in eleventh grade and then it's getting close
to college, I'm.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Like, I can't go to college, Like this guy will
dump me.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
He'll dump me, or he'll cheat on me. Like I
can't go anywhere. I have to stay here to be
with him. And that was the thing that really really
kind of derailed. And I don't want to, like I
hate it when people blame.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
No out outside. Yeah, I was not playing victim, but no.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
I was looking for love and I was looking to
feel like safe for somebody. And I found it with
this person, even though it was like the most toxic
relationship ever and he cheated it on me all the
time and he partied it.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Oh same same have the same guy, same same made,
same guy.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, so it came time to I knew we had
a rule in our house, like you go to college
and you get an allowance and college is paid for
and all those things. If you don't go to college,
you're on your own, was sort of the thing. So
I'm getting closer and closer to that, like you know,
you're supposed to apply, you're supposed to whatever. And I'm like,
it was really a tough situation. I didn't I really

(23:22):
didn't know what to do. So I decided, Okay, my
only way to stay with this guy and you know,
not be able to figure it out, be able to
figure it out, is is to go, Okay, I'm going
to model and so yeah, so I was like, all right,
I'm gonna do it. And I started doing like pretty
okay from the beginning, Like I remember, I got like

(23:43):
a Tommy Hill figure campaign and I got like I
got a campaign. Yeah, like I got like I definitely
got stuff. But like I would show up, like I
remember Pamela Hanson said. She said to me once, she
was like, you know, if you want to do this,
like you have to take this seriously. You cannot show

(24:05):
up late now to set. Now there are fifty other
people here.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
You're a model.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
And this was, by the way, like this was like
twenty years ago or more twenty two years ago, where
the modeling industry was very different, and Pamela was like lovely,
oh yeah, like oh it was very different.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Oh no, like you got yelled at, you got real reprimanded,
oh or can'tcel that?

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Oh I remember getting fired off of like a jake.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
I got fired not because of my attitude, but because
they didn't like my look. Like halfway through the shoot
they were like, her teeth are weird or like her
smile is weird or something, and like I heard them
say it, and I got fired, like, mid.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, it's wild, it's wild, and you can't by the way, thankfully,
you can't do that anymore, thankfully, And it's a different world.
But I think in that sense, like okay, So you
go on, you're modeling, You're not loving it. You're like,
I'm not winning at this. You do some acting in
my opinion, of course, you know I'm Abele.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well no, okay, So.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
So I went from I also want to say too
about that is we have jumped the shark a little bit,
because I mean a lot. Because yes, thank god, times
have changed and people have to be respectful. Yes, people
have to talk to you a certain way, and thank
god all of that, and women feel safe in the workplace.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
It used to be like you would go complain to
HR and you'd get fired.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Now we're protected. These are all the good things about
the change. But I do think now we are like
it's not okay to fire people anymore, Like I'm sorry,
what like if you're not doing the job, you need
to be fired. So today it should have been that,
like it was handled in a respectful way, like Sarah,
we're so sorry. We'd like to pay you for the

(25:46):
rest of your time. You're wonderful. We're just we're gonna
it's not worth whatever it is, like like guess what,
it's okay like you we're allowed to brands should be
allowed to go in another direction or do what's better
for you. But now this generation is like cannot It
was like, you're not allowed to be fired for doing

(26:07):
a bad job.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Isn't it crazy?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
You can literally just like fuck up so hard at
work and be offended. Then if you're fired and you're like,
all of a sudden, you want to be like, oh
my god, this company is the worst. They fired me
for not doing my job.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah what?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
But here's the thing, Sarah, I think you've turned the
frown upside down, and I think you're very candid about
having your ass kicked in certain ways and certain things.
I think you're very candid about the privilege you've had.
But at the same time, like you said, I don't
think you've found your real groove until an older age, right,
But I want to also say that you're incredibly handsome

(26:45):
mother and didn't leave your kids for many years, you know.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
I mean my trajectory is like, so from the modeling,
so from there, then I started hosting a show on
MTV and I was like, oh, this is going to
be like major, I'm going to be the next like Carminal.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
I don't even know, I was like or whatever. I
was like this is going to be amazing, like, oh.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
My god, Judy Crawford even But by the way, if
this had been now the Backstreet Boys video, all those
things with social media, like you know, now you go
and you like shake your ass in a video and
you have a career like, hell, look, you know how
many times I shook my ass?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I shook my ass so much and nothing happened.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
It could not be more true, honestly, if social media
had existed at certain points in your career, in all
our careers, I what have happened people I dated?

Speaker 4 (27:42):
I mean now, like you date, you date like a
reality star, and you get like a freaking.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
TV shower, you get invited to the mat.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
But imagine how like real celebrities feel, like, imagine like
the Julia Roberts of the world.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
She's like, do you know how hard I had to
work to get a vote cover?

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Like, do you have any idea the things I had
to accomplish to get a Vogue cover?

Speaker 1 (28:05):
So let's fast forward. Okay, So what happens? So you
start acting.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
And then what happens?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (28:12):
So okay, so I'm in the music video, I'm like, oh,
I'm gonna be Alicia Silverstone. This is amazing, and then
like that doesn't happen. And then and then I'm like
on MTV and I'm like I'm gonna be Carmeinal Elector
and that doesn't happen. And then I get this audition
for this movie and I'm like, oh, okay, should I go?
Should I audition for this movie? It's like a huge movie.
It's like Owhen Wilson is in it. Shoot yeah, and

(28:35):
Morgan Freeman's in it. And I'm like, I'm never gonna
get this. I go and I audition and they're like, oh,
she's pretty good, like we should bring her back.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
So I go on audition like a second time and
they're like.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Oh wow, like okay, you're You're like really the part,
Like I think we're gonna have you now read for
like the producers and shit, so long story short, I
get the role apparently, like Scarlett Johansson did the role.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
First of all, big mistake. You should have given her
the role.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
The movie would have been a lot better if you
gave it to Scarlett Johansson.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
For whatever. Got this is crazy.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
I got the role and I'm like, holy shit, I'm
going to be Cameron Diaz like, this is hell, this
is crazy. I'm going to be Cameron Diaz. This is insane.
The movie was the biggest flop ever.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Premiere was fun.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, that premiere was fun. I looked great, you styled me.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
I think the movie made like negative three million dollars
or something. It was like literally horrible, okay, and I
was really bad. And so I'm like, Okay, I guess
I'm not gonna be Cameron Diaz.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
So what am I gonna do?

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Then?

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I just did like a series of movies.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
I did probably like ten movies after that, and you know, nothing,
you know, crazy, but like it kept me working, and
it kept me and.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
And it kept mod.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
It kept my bills Paige, you know, like at the
end of the day, like I had bills to pay
there and like a few times down there, you know,
down the line, my dad would help me.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I was gonna say, what is David Foster saying at
this point? Yeah, so David Foster is like it's great
at Tough Love. He is really listen when you're in
it with him, You're like, he's so mean.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
This is crazy. You have so much money, Like what
is the deal? Like, like I wanna be like all
these other kids who have rich parents, who whatever.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
And he was just sort of going like, girl, you
better figure it out because twenty is going to turn
into twenty five before you know it, and twenty five
is going to turn into thirty before you know it.
And let me tell you something. The microphone what it
used to say? If you think it only goes around
one time, and you better grab it, girl, because if

(30:49):
you don't figure this shit out, like I don't know
what you're gonna do kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, but he's in. But Sarah, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
You guys grew up in this and I'd scream at
the top of every fucking mountaintop. You and your sisters
are the most grounded people that have grown up here
in what you've grown up in. He did it right,
and your mom obviously is my life hero. So like,
they did it right. It worked, It worked, it worked.
You're grateful, unspoiled, not braddy extremely Like I don't know,

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Speaker 4 (33:17):
Really trying to get better at taking a compliment because
you know me, it's really hard for me to hear
positive things about myself. I think I have and I've
always said, like I have very low self esteem. Like
I've always had low self esteem, and it's something I'm
hyper aware of, hyper focused on, and really trying to

(33:37):
work through.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
So I would like to say to that, like thank you.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Like I think he did do something right, and I
am proud of looking back. I've made so many mistakes,
but I am proud looking back going wow, Like through
it all, we all really navigated life with integrity. We
all navigated life with integrity, with clear boundaries, you know,
like very clear boundaries with people.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
And it's not easy.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
I actually it's it's not easy.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Again to your point, like it's not like a complaint,
it's just sort of like but I do want people
to really recognize it. Just because you have successful parents
in whatever field and grow up with privilege, that doesn't
that doesn't mean life is easy for you. It means,
to your point, you're not in survival mode in the
same way.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
And it's what you do with it.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
And I think that parents have an obligation to set
boundaries so that there is adversity that their kids see there.
It's an exposure thing, but that's that's a whole nother thing.
But I think it's worked. You know, I know everyone
in your family and I.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
And we give our kids too much.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
We all do all the time, all do.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I'm like, why are we making their lives so easy?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Because it's easier, it's really hard not to.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
We should not be doing things for our kids that
they can be doing for ourselves. We need to give
them unconditional love. We need to let them have like
know that it's a safe space to about anything. But
they need to struggle. Struggle is good And I don't mean,
I know, you know, they.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Need to feel like what it's like to to just
I don't know. That's that's just some that's a big
hot topic.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, I was like that's part two and Part three
and part four, but it's it's true. Okay, So you
go through all these movies and you go, Okay, I'm
not Cameron Diaz, but I'm working.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Then I'm like, okay, I'm not going to be a
movie star. It's just not going to happen. So then
I get a TV show.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
I get nine O two and oh, which that came
at a time where I was really like thinking I
was going to be a movie star. So I was
kind of like, oh, wow, okay, like I guess that
I'm just now like going to take like a CW
show and I'm not even going to be like a lead,
like I am.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
A huge loser kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
And that actually turned out to be something that was
so great for me because it a it was steady work,
it was more money than I'd ever gotten paid.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
It was a steady paycheck.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
And TV show a cool TV show.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
But I wasn't like a lead, so it didn't really
necessarily like change my life. Like the leads on the
show were like that did change their life. But what
it did for me was it was really like, this
is a fucking job, Sarah. This is a job, and
if you do not like start really finding some damn
gratitude that you're even on this set.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
You're done?

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Like that is where I really was, like, Okay, I got.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
To come at this from a different way. I need
to be grateful.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
I need to show up on this set every day,
so grateful that I've been given this opportunity that I'm
like allowed to even freakin be here. And once I started,
I shifted my mindset, which I wish that as a
young person, I was more in touch with the power
of the mind and the power of you know, we're
all energy, and our thoughts are our thoughts are our

(36:55):
vision board, our thoughts are our inner monologue is our guide.
And I think that if I hadn't been more in
touch with that as a young person, I would have
I would have created the life that I wanted sooner.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, of course, of course, But I wasn't How old
were you for nine o two and roughly like twenties.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Twenty five, twenty five.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
So I met Tommy and he was three years older
than me, and his life was totally figured out. I mean,
he was number two in the world, he had a
silver Olympic medal, he was making millions of dollars, living
out his dreams in life, right being you know, a
professional tennis player, and everything he wanted he created, and

(37:38):
from a very young age he knew what he wanted
very young.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
So all of a sudden, too, he's so disciplined, disciplined.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
And he was the first guy that was like really
nice to me, Like my boyfriends before were not nice
to me, and they're not bad people, like I clearly
had wounds that led me to those guys. My wounds
and my self esteem issues in the way I felt
about myself was why I wanted to be with these guys,

(38:05):
of course. So Tommy was like the first person that
made me feel safe and made me feel seen.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I had never felt seen.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
I'd always felt like such a loser with all these
other guys I dated, and Tommy was the first person
where he like.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Looked at me and saw the best in me. And
that was like such a shift.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
It was like, oh, this makes me feel good actually
that this person thinks I'm great and thinks that I'm
you know, a good person and a lovable person, and
so I just like went all in with that. I
was like, this feels nice. So I was on the
show and then doing like, you know, little movies that
nobody would ever see, while like cultivating this new relationship

(38:42):
and then traveling.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
With him, and all of a sudden, I'm like this
tennis wife and I'm like on the tour and I'm
at Wimbledon and the French Open, and I'm seeing the
world and I'm traveling the world, and I'm like being
exposed to I'd never I didn't grow up, like going
to Europe.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
That wasn't any I ever, Like we didn't do that
as a way.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Yeah, we went to Hawaii, So I was I was
being exposed to all these different cultures and going to
different countries and like I saw like Rome for the
first time and all these things at like twenty yeah,
twenty five or twenty yeah, maybe almost twenty.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Six, and we just got really serious. And of course I.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Wasn't like going on auditions or anymore really doing any
of that stuff. So I was in a weird period
because I was like, Okay, now I'm just like this
girlfriend and people kind of know me and I'm kind
of like an actress and they kind of people think
I'm an actress, but like what am I? Like?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Who am I?

Speaker 4 (39:40):
So at an identity crisis, yeah, but also like an
identity crisis.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
From an identity crisis.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
I don't think I ever really knew who I was,
like really, you know, and I think my self worth
was always tied up with like who I was dating, right,
Like it gave me like currency like oh, you're dating
this person, like let me see you to your table?
Let me whatever, like oh your dad is this person?
Let me see you to your table. My currency was

(40:07):
like who am I dating? Who is my dad?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
And how to and how I look?

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Right?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
But I knew like, which.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Is a very LA way to grow up? By the way,
as you know, that's like a very I think that's
the thing. That's why some people are like I don't
want to raise my kids in LA because that is it.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
That's a thing here, right Yeah, yeah, well it's normal.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I don't know there. Yeah, it is normal. It is
normal whatever normal is.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
But you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, I think if you're living in Missouri, that's not
a way that you grow up.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yeah, but I think now, but now you are in Missouri,
you go on TikTok and you go, oh, I can
put foundation a mescara on and make millions of dollars, Like,
we're now encouraging our daughters to be fucking makeup influencers.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
No what, God knows, I'm sorry what And.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
It's no disrespect to the people that have actually turned
it into uh, you know, a source of incourse this
but let's not raise our daughters to strive to be
make up influencers on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Have it be a HELDI have that be the secondary right?

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yes, great, do that, but that we now we've just
watered down what it takes to make it in life
and whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
That doesn't mean you're.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Famous four hundred person whatever success looks like.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Looks like to you. But now I think there's just
this pressure.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
It's like, if you don't have a TikTok or you
don't have a voice on social media, who are you?

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I mean, if you're not raising money for a business
by eighteen, who are you?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, so your tennis wife, you're a sort of actress,
sort of model.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
You're all like, who the fuck am I?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Because I'm defined by who I'm with and the family
I come from.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
So then at what point are you.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Like, yeah, I mean in today's world, I'm an actress
Because in today's world, if you're like kind of on
a show, then you have millions of followers xun millions
of followers. You're a successful person. You're because you're also
like an influencer.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
But like, can you imagine how many followers you would
have had, Sarah, Oh.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
My god, twenty years ago being on a hit show.
I was kind of an actress, Yeah, twenty years ago,
because twenty years ago it took so much more.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
To be an actress. You shouldn't just sort of be
on a show, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Of course, yes, I'm doing all that, and then I'm
kind of just giving up a little bit. I'm kind
of just like, Okay, I'm just going to live in Florida,
like Tommy lived in Florida.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
And I'm just going to like support him.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
And I mean, look, if I had some like incredible
career back home waiting for me, I probably wouldn't have
done that.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
But it was a good narrative. It was a good narrative, like.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
I'm just gonna be with him, you know, even though
it was like not that much, not like that much
was waiting for me at home. Anyways, I'm going to
land the plank. I've been talking for hours. I feel like,
so we ended up getting pregnant. When I was twenty nine,
I got pregnant with Valentina, and it was like, okay,
I'm going to be a mom. And I think I
still want to act, but it's okay if I don't, like,
I'm going to be a mom. I had Valentina, I
had no name, I had no help. I breastped her

(43:01):
for two years. I was like the mom that I
never thought I could be. I was like, I'm too
selfish to be a mom, and then I turned out
to be.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Like the best mom ever.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Well just I don't even know, like.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
The best mom cover because you all like a shy
you didn't, I mean, yeah, I just it was just
like it's a wrap. It's a wrap on life. I'm
never going out again, I'm not seeing my friends. I'm
just gonna be with this person every second and I
won't like let anyone else touch her, and I'm gonna
she slept in bed with me for three years, and
then around thirty two, thirty two or thirty three, Aaron

(43:35):
called me and was like, I have an idea for
a show, and I think we should write it and
I think we should pitch it.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
I was like what, I'm.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
Like here with my two year old or three year old,
like I can't be writing a show right now, like
I'm potty training her. And she's like, no, I'm telling you.
It's a really this is a really good idea. It's
kind of like a Curby your Enthusiasm but for like
blonde like want to be celebrities. Okay, that sounds weird.
I was like, that sounds weird. So she's like, no,
you trust me. And then we started having calls with

(44:03):
our team, with our management team, and it started going like, wait.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Maybe this could work.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
And then a bunch of people were like do you
know how many ideas? How many like Curb your Enthusiasm
style shows? People go in and pitch like no one,
no one's gonna buy this show, Like we're gonna try.
So we went, we wrote it out, we wrote the pitch.
It took us like a couple of weeks, and then
we went we started pitching the show, and the show
was barely famous, and it was.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
And I will forever yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
It was really ahead of its time, and for as
bad as the ratings were, it felt like everybody saw
this fucking show, so it really what it did is.
It completely changed the trajectory of mine in Aaron's life
because all of a sudden, we have top executives, top producers,
top writers, top like all the things reaching out to

(44:52):
us being like, you guys wrote this show, this show
is genius. I'm getting now called in to go like
audition for comedies. I had never been and looked at
as a comedic actress, like I couldn't get a comedy
audition to save my life. And all of a sudden,
like we're being like taken seriously. It's crazy, Like we're like,
how is this? We're doing New York Times articles and
we're like, on the James Corden Show.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
They're the best fucking show. It was fucking genius, you.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Know, Like it was pretty fucking genius. I have to
say it's on.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
The wrong network, and it was on the wrong networks.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Yeah, but we had the most unbelievable writers, we had
the most unbelievable guest stars like yourself, and it was
it was really kind of it was our interpretation and
our commentary on this crazy world that we're all like
living in now where her and I play these like
super delusional people, which I think we're living amongst a
lot of really delusional people, and it was our commentary

(45:50):
on it, and it just it changed our life. I
would say, the only reason we have anything that we
have today is because of Barely Famous.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
And I'll tell you why. It just it sent us
down this whole new train. It just put us down.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
It sent us down a totally different road. So from that,
we then sold a show to HBO. Then we get
a production deal, then we get Whitney Wolf calls us
and says, all the girls on my team are obsessed
with Barely Famous. Would you please come and speak? Would
you come speak to all my employees and to ladies.
And then from there we become the creative directors of Bumble,

(46:25):
and we get equity in the company, and we're advisor.
We're advisors to this tech company, and then from there
we start getting all these other deals. And it totally
changed our life. And my instinct for so long was
to always come from a place of no. And I
always talk about this, and looking back, I'm like, I
wish as a young person I said yes to every course.
I wish I said even things that I thought were

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beneath me, even things that I thought like I couldn't
do or things that I thought were lame.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
I wish I said yes to everything.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Your twenties are the years to say yes to everything
because you never know where it will lead you. It
never you never know who you'll meet along the way.
And I started saying like yes, I started fully getting
out of my comfort zone. By the way, when we
took the Bumble job, people were like, that's lame. You
guys are like now finally becoming these like you know,

(47:13):
actress and writers that people are starting to respect, and
you're going to go like work in a tech company
that is so lame. People told us not to do it.
People told Whitney not to hire us because like, why
are you hiring at you know people, this makes this
makes no sense, Like this makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
But but Whitney thinks outside of the box. And now
you know, six.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Years later, every actress, every singer, every model, they're all
just looking for a company to be advisors to or
with vestors.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
And I'm not trying to say like we're some you know,
fucking trailblazers, but like when we did this in twenty seventeen,
people told us it was a really stupid move.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
And this lesson is you don't listen to other people.
You follow your own right. You're right about yes, though, Sarah.
You're right about yes, because the best lesson my father
ever taught me was to never turn down an opportunity
that has not been offered. Take every meeting, go to
every interview. Don't say no to something before you walk

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in the room, because I used to do that in
my twenties, because you're like, what, this doesn't make sense
for me. No, no, no, I'm not right for that.
That's not my thing.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I would never do that.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
And the biggest fucking game changing, life changing opportunities come
from the thing you don't even know about yet.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Totally, or you think like I'm better than that, or
what's that even gonna you know, Oh this will be lame,
or my friend will think this is stupid. It's like
nobody else is waking up going how can I make
Sarah's life better? You are the only person waking up
wanting to make your life better.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
That's it. And also listen.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Unfortunately, a lot of the times the advice you're given
from friends, they are bringing in their potential negative experiences
or their imposter syndrome or their resentment or their shit,
which is human nature. If someone's gonna ask me, oh,
what do you think about this, it's normal for me

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to bring my experience or my feelings toward my own
personal shit into my response to you. That's normal, and
that's not fair. So you have to take advice with
a grain of salt. If we had to listen to
all the people that told us not to take the
bumble job, not to partner with the company for Favorite Daughter,

(49:31):
everybody said to us, raise money, just raise money, do
it on your own so you can own more.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
We were like, no, we'd rather own less.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Negative.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Negative, We'd rather own less and partner with a company
that has the infrastructure to grow the business like we're
we would rather own less of the company and do that.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
And everybody told us you're a fucking stupid.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Now you should not hid person.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Right, We listened to basically nobody, and look.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
At fucking Favorite Daughter.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
I'm so obsessed with it and watching you and Aaron
and Jordan do Favorite Daughter is life because and also
like it's the irony and for me personally, I think
my favorite thing about what all of you do, honestly
is that you take such humor and humility in yourselves,

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and I think that's the most important thing because I've
always made fun of myself. I'm so hyper aware of
who I am and really laugh at myself most of
the time.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
But I think for you guys, I think you have.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
A really nice mix of really knowing exactly your place
in each part of what you're doing. And I think
that it's very important to do that because I think
that's what keeps you human. And I think that people's
attraction to you and to Aarin and Jordan you're all
your own people. But I think it's really like you

(50:53):
own the fact that you shouldn't be doing this, but
I am doing this. But now I'm influencing and I
know I'm not an influencer. Daughters making fun of me,
and like, I think that that is to me, one
of the most attractive parts about the brand and the
business and even launching over subscribed. And I think that
like launching over subscribed, you said to me, which is

(51:14):
a really good point when when you're getting into being
a venture capitalist, you're like, I got sick of writing
my own checks only or I was running out of
my own money to write right and you wanted to
do this in a bigger way.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Listen, I think we're living in a time now where
it's like very zeitgeisty and very cool to like be
an investor and be an advisor and all that is
great or whatever, but I think you have to be
really careful. It's no joke, like it's a risky world,
or early stage investing is a risky world. I if

(51:46):
I could have chosen, I would have just been an
angel investor. I wish, I wish that I had tons
of money where I could just write.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
A personal check.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Sure of course, yeah, where I could write my own
personal checks, and that is obviously what I'd prefer to do.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
But I wasn't, you know, capable of doing that.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
So what happened was we were we were meeting with
founders who were really impressive building businesses that we really
wanted to be a part of. We would get allocations
into you know, their seed round, pre seed whatever it was,
and we'd be like, shit, we could write a one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars check in this company right
now and have like real ownership, but like, I can't

(52:26):
afford to lose one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, you know,
so that that was the impetus for oversubscribe. But you know,
A Favorite Daughter. The reason why I think it's working
is because, yes, it wouldn't be authentic to me for
me to go and you know, build some clothing company
of gowns and you know, thousand dollars dresses, and then

(52:49):
I would be like, what is she doing? I wear
my sweats all day. I don't spend money on clothes
like I. I neither never spent No, we don't spend
money on clothes like I could never buy some super
expensive coat. It's just not who I am, Like even
if I had, even if I had the money, I
wouldn't you know, like I would never go buy expensive jewelry,
Like it's just not who I am.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I don't care about those things.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
But the reason My Favorite Daughter works is because it's
for that girl. It's for the girl that wants to
be at the cool party and wants to be around
the cool people and wants to feel like she's fitting
in but doesn't have.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
The bank account to go buy those clothes.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
So we wanted to create clothes for that girl, Like
you can go buy a pair of you don't need
to go buy those Selene trousers, like buy the Favorite
Daughter trousers. They're two hundred dollars and they look just
as nice, I mean, maybe a little less nice, but or.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
You can buy a sweatshirt, or you can buy a
sweatshirt right, or a T shirt?

Speaker 3 (53:42):
No, no, I agree.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
So that's why it's it's working because we launched a
business truly, like from.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
A very authentic place.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
And I think everyone throws around that word authentic, authentic,
and it's like, it's not authentic anymore. This word authentic
is no longer an authentic word.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I can't that's so true. It's like brand Dana. It's
like Dana, what's the Danna? What's it?

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Guess it's an overused word.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
I would agree.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I would agree it's an overused word.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Well, Sarah, I think you're at the top in a
lot of ways. I think you have a lot left
to do, only because I just know you and I
think you're going to do a lot more. There was
this thing that came out on social media that I
posted the other day that was sort of like your
horrible day is someone's dream success. I think at the
end of the day. I think from where most people sit,
you're very much at the top. I think I'm never

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going to feel like I'm at the top. I feel
like I have a thousand things I have to do left.
I don't think most people who we perceive to be
at the top of their field feel that they're at
the top of their field. Honestly, I think that there's
a lot that you're going to do. But I mean,
what when you go to sleep at night, what do
you think about? What's the things that keep you up
and what wakes you up.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Well, first of all, I think that we're all like
really brainwashed when it comes to what is success. I
think for this like social media world and the world
that we live in, it's like it's nothing is enough.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
It's never enough, Like when is it enough?

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Like I am successful, you are successful, Like it should
be enough, you know. And I think, you know, somebody
someone said to me wants this thing, and it like
really hit me. And I think about it all the
time when I'm like frustrated or when I'm feeling like
frustrated that I didn't get this deal that I wanted
or this this, and it always just like resets me
and it's like it's just so true.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
People that are.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Healthy have like one hundred thousand wishes and desires and.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Things they need to do and things that you know,
blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
But people that are not healthy have one wish.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Let go, one wish to be healthy. That's it.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
And it literally I take it for granted all the time,
like the fact that we just get to.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Like wake up and not have a care in the
world and go about our day and our kids just
get to go to school. This it's just not like
that for most people, Like most people, like there's so
much sickness on this planet.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
There are so many things. There are so many people.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
That can't get out of bed, whose kids can't get
out of bed.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
And it's just the thing that always resets me. Like
when I'm thinking.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
About like I need this and I want this, and
I wish for this and I did it, I think
about those people healthy.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
My kids are healthy, my family's healthy.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
We're okay, yeah, And it's like, okay, we hear that
all the time, and I just want for my kids.
He but like if you really sit and think about it,
it's like that should just reset you instantly.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I will say that it does for me because when
things get really rough, I have to tell everyone's like, wait,
why are you fine? I'm like, I'm fine because my
kids are looking at me smiling, They're fine.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Yes, Sure, nobody is more successful than healthy people with
a roof over their head, with healthy kids Like that
actually should be the real measure of success.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
The real measure of success.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Should be I got a roof over my head, I
can pay my bills, my kids go to school, there's
food on the table, I get to see friends, I
get to take a vacation once a year. Are like, shit,
that is success to ninety nine point nine nine nine percent.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Of people in the world. But we are all just
a little fucking brandwat we are?

Speaker 3 (57:08):
So are you done? So that's it. We're going to
stop here. Yeah, we're gonna stop with favorite daughter.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
We're going to stop with oversubscribed, We're going to stop
with no but no, I know what you mean, but actually,
but actually, like.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Because I'm going to keep building those I am now at.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
I am now in a position where you know, success
just breeds more success.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
So now this position where all these.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Other things are coming my way and I'm having to
go like it's really easy to get sucked up into
the like, yeah, let me take that opportunity, let me.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Take that job.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
But it's like, I think you're just cutting off your
noses by your face because then these other things that
you've built are going to fall aside.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
So it's like, actually, yes, I have had to go.
You got to focus.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Now, you got to take these things to where they
deserve to be, and you do have to. Now I'm
in a position finally where I do have to say no,
like the the thirties or yes, yes, yes, but now
now I am saying no, I'm going to be super
honest with you. So much is happening in my life
where I could never have dreamed of it. I could
have if you hadn't told me I'm thirty, of course

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I would have created all the things and have the
life that I have now.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I would have been like, no chance, like there's just no.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
When you were breastfeeding VV and we were awesome, like
that is.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Not in the cards for me. I don't deserve it.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
I don't know whatever, And I'm just saying that's how
I felt. Though at thirty I would have said I
don't deserve that, and now I'm here, and like, I
don't know if I'm happy, honestly, Like, I wake up
some days and I'm happy. Some days I wake up
and I'm like, I'm really happy. And some days I
wake up and I'm like, am I depressed? I'm just
being honest.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
No, But I think that's human, Sarah. I think that's human.
We all do that. That's human. And I think that's okay.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
And I I have one last question for you, which
is is kind of loaded, but I feel like you
can answer it. Okay, what do you want now that
you've lived this insane life you still living and you're
going to continue to live it.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
You have two amazing daughters? What do you do there?

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Because you're watching you're raising two amazing daughters in La.
I have the privilege of knowing and loving them. They're
pretty extraordinary. Valentino was born twenty five.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
They're fine. They're twelve and seven. They're not that extraordinary.
They're great kids. Done anything that great? Well, no, who
has it twelve and seven?

Speaker 1 (59:23):
But what I mean is, but what I mean is
do you look at them and go, how do I not.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Fuck you up? Or do you what do you dream
for them?

Speaker 4 (59:33):
Every day, right, every day, I'm like, am I doing
doing this right?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Of course, I'm like, should we be living here? By
the way, should we be living here? Like every day
I'm like, am I like setting them up for setting
them up for failure? Are they going to thrive in life? Like?
There is no manual, there's just not Like I think
the best thing you can do is like, I'm really
honest about my girlfriends. I really have no time for

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women in my life who want to make everything sound
so rosy and peachy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
I have no time for it. I'm too.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
I can only surround myself with people that are like
honest about how hard this shit is, because it's really hard,
and anybody that's trying to make it sound like it's
not is lying.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
So it's the hardest fucking job in the world, hands down,
Are you kidding?

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
So I'm really transparent about my kid's shortcomings because they
all have shortcomings, and let's stop trying to act like
our kids are so perfect and whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
It's also hard parenting in this day and age. It's
hard being a kid in this day and age.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
I would I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I think it's even I think it's really hard to parent.
But I think it's in turn. I think it's partly
because it's so hard to be a kid right now,
and we're dealing with shit that we never had to
deal with as kids.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Honestly, it's all of the buve. So what I hope
for my kids.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Listen, Valentina is like, you know, can't wait to turn
fifteen so she can get a job at Starbucks.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
And that I'm like, great.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Great, She's like for her, it's like a privilege that
she could. My niece works at this coffee shop here
and she goes every day like after school, like to
go see and like she's showing her how to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Like make the coffee.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
I'm like, honey, you won't make the coffee at fifteen,
Like you got it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
You start like you're cleaning that floor, yeah, before you're
before you're making the conec No. I know, that's fine,
that's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Like for her, she's like counting the minutes till she
can go apply to Starbucks. So I'm like, okay, like
that right right, Like so far, Like that's a good side.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
I think that's great. They want to make their own
money now they do. Skyler wants to work, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And that's the thing. I'm raising my daughters to know.
They have to It is not an option. So that's good.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
And look, i want them to be happy and I
want them to feel like they can tell me anything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
But I'm like a tough love parent. I'm a I'm
a real tough love parent, by the way, like my dad.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Yeah, because it fucking works, it it works well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
I love you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I personally have watched all of this happen, and you know, listen,
I'm not gonna like sugar coated. I mean I don't.
I don't think it's been easy for you. But I'm
fucking loving watching you thrive, and I am because I
kind of feel like you found your groove and I
love that you talk about that it's hard because there's

(01:02:14):
no harder fucking job than what you're doing than what
we're all doing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
And it's hard. It's all fucking hard.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
And I don't like people that sugar coat and I
don't like people that say it's easy, because it's not
and none of it is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
And I just also think it's a disservice to women,
like the women.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
We're all women who are like women, empowerment women, women, women.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
You know, we come on these you know, we come on.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
These podcasts, and we all everyone tries to act like
they're you know, fucking Sheryl Samberg. It's like, no, like,
let's all just like get a little bit of a
reality check and like be honest so that maybe we
can help women know, but it is possible for them,
like it is, and I think we have to Just

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to me, it's not endearing listening to women like talk
about their life from this lens of perfection.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Perfection.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
I just think it's that doesn't endear me to anyone.
I talk all the time like what endears me to
somebody is like vulnerability and currency.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
And I think we just likened it a little bit
more of that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
I agree, And honestly, Sarah, that's why I started this podcast,
because it was really about everyone seeing like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Oh, Sarah Foster, she's so luckier.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Oh you know, one of the incredible women I've had
on the podcast. Oh my god, she's so lucky. This
is like, no, this isn't fucking luck. It's bloodspeed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Well, some of it is luck, I would say some
of it. Actually, I'm going to say ten percent.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I'm going to say ten percent and the rest is
constant rejection, what one would perceive as failure, what some
perceive as brutal challenges and rejections. And you know, like
I said earlier, there's been several women on here who
were helping their mom try and get food on the
table for their siblings. And so I think it's important

(01:03:54):
that we talk about that so that women and young
women and women just wanting to pivot in their lives
don't think that the sh it's easy, because it's not
for anybody. Easier for some sure, of course, but that's okay.
We accept that, we love them for it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Yeah, And you know what, it really is never too late.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
I'm terrified and so sad for girls in their twenties who,
at like twenty four don't know what they're doing and
they think like they go. Their their mental health just
totally plummets because, oh my god, I'm twenty five and
look at all my friends. My friends are doing this
and that, and I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
It's like, what now, Pivot at thirty five, pivot at
forty five, none of it matters.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
You can always pivot. And I strongly believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
At twenty five you can start.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
I mean you can start, Yes, yes, one thousand percent. Well,
I love you, I love you for being on. I
love your freaking climbing in flats to the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Top, as I say, climbing barefoot.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Climb back like climbing. I love you, Sarah Foster very much.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I love you madly. It's that I'm in the show
and I answer to listener questions. So let's see what
we have today. Okay, when were you the most starstruck?
It's a loaded question, but in short, I would say
I'm really only starstruck by designers because they really are

(01:05:16):
my real celebrities, like first time I met car Lagerfeld,
or the first time I met Donna, Tulliver Sacchi or
you know. I mean, definitely my fashion celebrities. But I
would say I worked with Brad Pit several times over
the course of a few weeks while he was off
shooting a movie in Prague, and I had always, of course, like,
who isn't a Brad Pit fan? But I was very

(01:05:37):
at that time. I was really working with like everyone,
and I looked at it as my job and okay,
yes you're a Brad Pit, but okay, and then I
think after spending a couple of weeks doing various shoots
with him and like really getting to sort of know
him off duty. I became starstruck actually after that because
I was like, wow, he actually not only is this

(01:05:58):
real life movie star And you understand why you get
that title, because there's certain people that really carry that
with their talent and their presence and whatever room they
walk into, they change the room.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
He's definitely that person. He changes the room.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
He has an effortless kindness and coolness about him, zero arrogance,
zero entitlement, and insanely funny. So I became starstruck after
I knew him, So that was kind of surreal. But
Brad Pitt, so I guess if I'm going to pick someone,
sure would be him. What is your favorite saying you

(01:06:33):
tell your children almost every day? Definitely be grateful, I
would say, definitely be grateful. I would say that I
really teach them and have taught them since they can
understand what it meant that their jobs for their life
are to be empathetic, be kind, be gracious, and try

(01:06:56):
your hardest at whatever you do, and the rest up
to your parents until we're no longer in charge. And
I remind them of that very often because you know,
when they start to say something that doesn't sit with me, well,
it's my job to correct that and bring them back
to center. And I think I take that job really seriously,

(01:07:18):
and I think that gratitude is probably the best thing
you could ever teach your children, and I never really
want to lose sight of that, and I never want
them to lose sight of that. Don't forget to submit
your questions for next week's episode. All you have to
do is dm us your questions to at Climbing in
Heels pod on Instagram, and I might just answer your question.

(01:07:39):
I want to thank my friend Sarah so much for
coming on today.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
I am literally dead.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Because I honestly couldn't stop laughing at tears coming out
of my eyes from laughing so hard. But I have
to tell you, I think every time I'm with Sarah
since the day I met her, I laugh, I laugh
because she really just says what she means. She means
what she says, She doesn't hold back, she takes full humor.

(01:08:07):
I think in herself she's clearly very self deprecating. But
the thing I really admire the most in people is
they're aware of their strengths. Their challenges and really their
place sort of and how they really view themselves in
the world or in a room. Honestly, and I think
I relate very much to many things Sarah said and
talked about, and I think we covered a lot. We

(01:08:30):
talked about toxic positivity, how a simple compliment can really
be damaging to some people depending on how you take it.
I think certain things that we say to people that
we think are a compliment and make them happier in
that moment because it feels so genuine, can actually be
damaging in some ways and really impact I think when

(01:08:51):
things are said to people at a younger age, especially
how it can impact how they really view themselves and
how they sort of move through the world.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
I loved hearing Sarah talk about her childhood, her thoughts
on nepotism, being a NEPO baby, because I mean, she is,
but I don't again view that as a negative. It's
funny because I have so many people in my life
that grew up, you know, in more challenging childhoods, and
they're like, God, I wish I was a NEPO baby. Like,
it doesn't mean you don't work your ass off. It

(01:09:23):
might be an easier journey to meet people get your
foot in the door, But getting your foot in the door,
while sometimes being the hardest part, you have to be
able to stay there. You have to be able to
do the work and have the talent and have the
work ethic to stay there. And Sarah's a hustler, and
so are her sisters. And I think she's only just

(01:09:44):
begun with favorite daughter and her fund oversubscribe. But you know, again,
she's happy where she is. She's happy to just keep
growing at what she's doing and have the opportunities, and
she's very grateful for them. And I think, you know,
I think like many successful people, and I think specifically
ones that grew up in a very sort of privileged upbringing,
whether it's with fame or fortune or whatever, I think

(01:10:08):
there's a bit of guilt that comes with that, with
that sort of I've always had everything I needed, and
I think that has its own sort of issues and
things to be battled with constantly in life. And this
was definitely one of my favorites. And I hope that
you all take away a lot from this episode without judgment,
because I think that Sarah was very candid and I

(01:10:30):
think that you don't have to agree with everything that
we talked about, but I think about all the things
we talked about and make your own judgment honestly about
yourself and how you approach your life. If you want
more Climbing in Heels content, please follow me at Rachel
Zo and at Climbing in Heels pod on Instagram for
more updates on upcoming guests, episodes, and all things Curetor.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
I will see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Come on st

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