February 10, 2023 • 40 mins
This week, Rachel Zoe speaks with the besties from The Home Edit, Clea Shearer and Joanna Teplin! Together, they chat about the beginnings of their insane organization skills, moving to Nashville for their husbands, and meeting on a blind friendship date that turned into their amazing business!
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Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing in Heels. The
show is all about celebrating the most extraordinary superwomen who
will be sharing their incredible journeys to the top, all
while staying glamorous. Today with me, we have my favorite
duo of FasTIS, the incredible Clia Share and Joanna Teplin
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from the Home at It. Together we speak about the
beginnings of their insane organizational skills, like actually insane, moving
to Nashville and why both for their husbands and meeting
on a blind friendship date that turned into their most
amazing business. The girls also talk about when they have
their moments where they need to mentally shut off, relax,
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and of course recuperate, but of course they're still together
during absolute silence. First of all, I'm so happy to
see you both and speak to you both, and you
know you're such dear friends. I obviously know how you
guys came together. I don't want to make you tell
your whole life story, but what I do want to
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talk about, how in God's name did you get here.
It's funny because I remember meeting you for the first
time and hearing about you from a few friends, and
I obviously fell in love with you guys because you
were so funny and so silly and so passionate, right,
And for me, the magnet that I have to certain
people are when they have a passion for what they do,
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no matter what it is. If you like are smiling
and excited and put your whole self into it, to me,
that's the draw, right, And so I think with both
of you, it's very clear this is your passion. All
I have to do is spend ten minutes with you
in any closet or anywhere, and the OCD really kicks
in high. And so I want to kind of understand
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a little bit. Who were you as a kid? Like
were you always like cleaning up? So both of you
like that or not? Really, this is actually my favorite question.
Joanna's smiling because she knows how Like truly this just
is it hits to my soul because the most amazing
thing is that I was but Joanna went through a
real slaw period. That is just it like my favorite
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thing for people to ask. I love it. But I
think she pays people to ask. I literally am like,
if you could just ask this question, because I'll just
you know what, here's what we'll do. I'll tell my
story and Joanna could explain. But it's all beautiful. Can
I tell you why, because it shows that there's hope
for people that tournt like Cleia so Clia tummy. So
you were born like this. So I was born this way,
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and I now use my powers for good and not evil.
But when I was a kid, I would spend an
inordinate amount of time in my room making everything just so.
I would move furniture around, like what I would do
on like spring break. I remember the first day of
spring break. I was like, well, this room is my home,
like this is my apartment, and I am going to
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make sure that every like my bed is made every morning,
that everything is perfect. And I was going to set
up my little you know, my reading station whatever it was.
You know, back of the day, we didn't have iPad,
like this was like my the what I did in
my room was my entertainment that you just wanted to
take the electronics for our kids so they do the same.
I kind of do ye and Stella if she were here,
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she'd be like, oh, but like I do that just
on roadblocks, Like I like, make like a nice room.
But I just I'm like, okay, that's not the point.
But there was a portion of my younger life before
my mother remarried and then my stepdad went to adopt me.
But my mother was a single mom until I was
in and I would say the fourth grade, fourth or
fifth grade. It's pretty pivotal, it is. It was pivotal.
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And my mom was the hardest worker ever. She inherited
my grandfather's business, and even when she and she just
retired a few years ago, my dad has been like
begging her to not but it's just it's who she is.
And everyone in my family joined and I talk about
this a lot. Every single person in my family is
an entrepreneur. No one ended up working for a company.
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Everyone worked for themselves, and so that's what I witness
growing up. And that's, you know, I think where my
footsteps kind of fell in. So your kids, So, do
your kids love it? Do they reject it? Do you
think it's just you're born with it or not? Because
I have one that is and one that isn't. It's
really interesting and I find myself being hopeful and frustrated
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at the same time because I don't think that there's
like a perfect you know, no one has come out
blazing here, so which is frustrating. My daughter has a
lot of things where she will be like this bothers me,
you know, like if something isn't in place, or this
is so satisfying, or like doesn't it kill you if
And I'm like, yes, I see all those things. Why
is their laundry on the floor? Like why? Like where?
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What about your skincare? Like why is it on? Can
you put it away? So it's like I again, I
appreciate that about her. My son is he's not bothered
by anything. Sutton will wear the same three shirts for
the rest of his life because he wears them. They're clean, shouldered,
put back, so he just is things are less chaotic
because he's just simple and Stella has to try everything
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on and then like leaves it everywhere. I think part
of the issue is my kids have never had one
million toys or one million things like that. I've always
had a pretty pair down. But with clothing, what are
you gonna do? They have to get dressed, God house,
so God help us exactly. I'd I'd be in jail
because I'd be broke. You would be living on the street,
but your daughter would be the best stress in like
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head to toe Gucci. But I'd be broke on the
Street one hundred percent, and I'm about to be because
Stella has now she's grown into like an actual taste
for clothing, which is so sorry. Clothing is expensive. It's
so frustrating, like we're target is a done day, like
that is not happening anymore. So, yes, things actually cost money,
and it's you know, very stressful. Thank god, Sutton doubt
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care like a yeah, it has to bout money there.
Stella was always she always cared about her out. It's
the very first time Joanna came over with her kids, Marlowe,
who you know, Joanna has an older boy, younger, broader,
and so marlow came over like front Bullie Stumpkins. She
was just like in like Biles clothes, like I feel
like she was like in but she was dressed like
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me and like leggings and a sweat I was like,
probably like a cute normal girl, like like she was
Gwen pants right where she was like sweatpants and tennis
shoes like whatever. And she too, like let's spak care.
She was too. Stella took Marlow by the hand, led
her into her closet, into her room. I was like,
Carlow Yes, she was like, let me help you, and
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she put Marlow in like a ball down of course,
and Marlow came out like Cinderella when she wass around
and Marko Marlow was a change person. She was like, mom,
like you what if you were holding out of that
were the same grass? This old name be dress us
that I had to buy an every color until the
size ran out. We bought it a year after year,
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six years in a row. She only wore the one
dress because it was like basically the one that Solo
showed her. But see, that's the thing. I do think
ninety percent of who we are, if not more, is
how we're born, right Because I was like Stella and
most of my friends were like Marlow, and by the way,
still are. But they still enjoy getting dressed up. But
they also, in their most happy as self are like
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they still look great, they still look cute, but they're casual.
And I think it really does. I think we look
at our kids when they're born and go, who are
you going to be? And I had so many wise
people tell me like they're this, They're what you're looking at,
And when I think about it, my kids are literal
exactly as they were born. Okay, so Joanna, you grew
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up and you were neat freak and then became a
slob and then became a neat freak. Yeah. No. I
started off really really organized, and I always loved moving
furniture around, like when my mom would come home. I
don't like move beds my self. I was really into
how things look. I also probably don't even know this one,
so just stand back on this one. But I used
to collect, like my grandmother would take me shopping in California.
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I grew up in North Frolina, and I remember coming
to California every Christmas break and we would go shopping
and we would go to like Benetton and Gap, like
all of those things. And I would collect the bags
that the clothes would come in, and I would hang
them on my walls and so I would decorate all
the walls with all the shopping bags. Yeah, and this
was like, by the way, your bag, by the way,
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you should do that again. Clia's a gas. I need
to see. I need to see what it looked like
it was us. It was like an art inst That's
what I mean. It sounds very much like something at
the met Like I'm really I'm super into this right now.
It was like pop art before I knew what that was.
But anyway, I had this in me, so I was
like very particular about how things would go, and I
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would always try to rearrange furniture. And then I took
a sharp left turn in high school and was a
complete slob, cheerleading clothes bra in the back of my
trunk of my car, like everything on the floor, absolute
total disaster. College close to the ceiling, the biggest mess.
And then I turned a quarter I guess, god, I
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don't even know when sometime after college, and I was like,
I need everything in back order. I just can't live
like this. Then I just became obsessed, and especially after
I had when I was pregnant and after I had Miles,
my son, just perfecting every closet and every inch matters,
and like how it makes me feel sane and calm
and in control and all these things that I didn't
have and you know, having a newborn or whatever. Yeah,
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And I've never looked it's almost like we do the
same thing, honestly, but in a different you know, a
different angle, like a different facet of the industry. Right,
Like there are so many similarities, right, and so for me,
it's like that getting dressed thing. It's a little bit
like so you guys, your peace of mind is like
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everything in order right, And I definitely have a lot
of that. I do have this part of me that
if I have five events in a week, you cannot
imagine what my bathroom and bathtub look like. There's like
gowns and tool and jewel, like it's just everywhere. So
a lot of it for me is like a time
thing and like just being like you know, but I
will say that like for me, even if it takes
me five minutes to get ready or whatever, I can't
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really like function until I feel like I was telling
someone the other day, like I had COVID once if
I took me two and a half years to get
I got it. They said to what did you do
like when you had COVID did you get dressed? And
I was like I was in different rotating black robes.
My skin hurt so bad that like writing hurt. But
I had a full cat I lash and a lip
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because I couldn't. Yeah, it was like I couldn't. I
just couldn't. I twirled my hair. Nobody was seeing me
like I nobody not even Roger, I locked I locked
everyone out clean. I always say this about organizing, and
I have a feeling and this is sort of maybe
how you feel. I mean, you can tell me if
I'm wrong, but when we're organizing, something just has to
clicken a place, and once it's in a right spot,
just like this is right. This is how the space
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has always been intended to be. And I don't know
if you're like that. I'm not like clows or out
of anything. I know nothing about any of those, but
I can imagine for you that's how it feels, and
especially when you're styling somebody else, because you look at
it like the way you guys share around in a space,
and it like clicks clicks clicks, yes, hundred. But you
know what, Rachel, I understand so much. I mean I
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laugh about the like the perfect wing on the eye
just because I actually don't know how to do that.
But I think about during chemo, where every single person
in my life is like, oh, you have a pass,
like you're like live in your pajamas lifts and I
kept trying to explain, and then I stopped trying to
explain that I was literally doing it for myself like
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putting on makeup, and I was all right, like, you're
already it like when you have COVID or whatever, and
I have COVID during cancer, which is like, that's good.
And I want to touch on that because we've talked
about this and I've mentioned it a few times in
different things. You know, I come from the family of cancer,
and I also have multiple friends that have gone through it,
obviously you being one of them, bravest warrior bitch I
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ever knew. I will say that the hardest thing I
have seen for women is not feeling like a woman
and not looking like a woman, and not when you
do take everything off and we do get stripped down.
It's that part of it that makes you feel a
certain way. And I think to your point, it was
truthfully in this podcast is not about me, so I
don't want to turn it on me. But actually, when
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I quit styling right after nine to eleven, I quit
styling because I felt like it was very superficial and
I said, I don't want to do this anymore. It
means nothing compared to like what these social workers, the doctors,
the frontline workers and everything. And I was like quitting
and I turned down all these jobs for like three
to six months. It's crazy. And my father tried to
get me back in. And then there's this doctor friend
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of mine. She's actually a brain surgeon, and she was
down at the hospitals, you know, during nine to eleven,
for that whole months months and I said, she said,
oh my god, tell me something about fashion, tell me something.
And I said, I quit. And she said, what do
you mean you quit? And I said, I quit. I
don't want to do it anymore. It doesn't mean anything.
It's stupid. I'm just like it's superficial. And she's like,
you've lost your mind. And I said, no, really, like
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what you do matters, what I do doesn't. And she
was like, okay, sit down, and she literally sent me
down and explained to me why it matters, and that
how much like my book or the things that I
do and the way that I helped women kind of
want to get out of bed sometimes and do those things.
And she talked me through this, and she's like, you're
the reason I like want to leave work and like
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go do this and like make myself feel like a girl.
And so it was at that point I shifted literally
like the purpose of what I was doing and started
to sort of try to go in all these different
directions that were really focused on helping women live their
best lives, their most confident selves. That makes so much sense.
And I think you inspire me one hundred percent. And
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then I'm like it almost makes me giggle because I'm like,
who am I to be inspired by Rachel Zough, Like,
I'm not going to have a chance at that, you know,
like Joanna and I like, well leave ever time and
be like, there's no one more glamorous than Rachel in
this world. But you're people zero people. Maybe maybe Molly too,
Like I feel like you, guys both. I can't think
do the sweat's real cute? She can like do work
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out clothes all day and still be super cute, and
you just wouldn't, Like you just wouldn't because you couldn't
look cute. You know, you would look cute, but I
will genuinely like I can literally see you in pajamas, yes,
continue And it's not who you are, right, It's just
not who you are. I feel like I ran out
into the world naked. I think that's right. I think
you'd rather be naked. I actually think you rather you'd
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rather be naked, I feel like, but it is true.
You teach people and you inspire people to be there.
I think most beautiful inner glamorous self, you know, like
you don't necessarily need it doesn't have every where you wear, right,
it doesn't. But I do feel that way about you,
and it's so genuine and it's so wild because it's
not just like your public persona that is who you
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are as a person. Yeah, fully agree. Don't you go, well,
don't you own your own insanity? You guys? Don't you
just say like, I am who I am. And it's
like you get to an age and a point in
your life where you just go, okay, whatever, I know
which it is, I am, I am who I am.
And it's easier to accept friends for who they are too.
I mean, I honestly think that's what makes the friendship
clean and I have so powerful. It's like we both
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know who the other person is, so right, just you
meet them where they are. That's exactly right. So you, guys,
I have a question, so you obviously okay, So give
me like the two minute of how you came together,
just for our listeners who don't know. Because I think
and then I want to talk about this afterwards. I
do want to talk about the copycat effect. Yes, oh,
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I could talk about I do want to talk about
that because obviously, like we've all been through that. But
I do want to talk about it because I'm seeing
them coming in numbers and I'm very sensitive to it.
With you guys, I'm very like so so, so I
want to talk about how you came together because it
was very unlikely, it is very unlikely. I will give
the very bird's eye view of it. So I moved
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to Nashville in twenty fifteen, so that'll it's coming up
on eight years. Joanna moved a year and a half prior,
and you moved there. Why just randomly? Your husband, your
husband's both of us, both both of us, of us,
both of us moved from California to Nashville sight unseen. Wow.
We literally I flew in for thirty six hours to
buy a house and then flew right back to La
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like we had never stepped foot. You guys are my here.
I had never come here until I moved here. Say
that's cast thing, ever, because Roger at one point said
we have to move to Florida for a year I said,
I'll meet you in LA. We lived at for a year,
we left New York. He went to Florida for a
year and I went to LA and then he came
a year later. I love you. Johanna and I both
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think it's insane that we said, Yes, it is insane,
but but listened, people do it all day every day.
I mean, but it was meant to be, Yah know it.
It was obviously meant to be. We always say that
we moved for our husband's jobs, and now everyone's staying
for our jobs. So, but Joanna and I met through
a mutual friend who based put us in a blind
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friendship date together to go to lunch. Johanna was slightly
reluctant to go to lunch with me because she did
not want a business partner, and Leah kind of pitched
it as, you guys both want to start and organizing.
We both told via this, which is so random, right,
like who wants to start an organ well now everyone does,
but who wants to start an organizing company? And so
she was like, oh, I have these two friends who
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both want the same thing. Joanna was hesitant, but we
sat down and we got up after four hours of
lunch as business partners, and that very same day, that evening,
actually we came up with our name, our logo, or
we got our domain, our social handles. We started filling
out paperwork we felt. We opened up bank accounts together
that week. It was crazy. No one should be crazy,
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but it worked. And how many years is this now?
It'll be eight years on oven and as yes, that's
literally crazy, and it's crazy for so many reasons because look,
you guys, girls are tough, right, Like, let's be real,
girls are tough. We've all had tough girls, We've had
amazing girls, right, But I think with it it's funny
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because some people say, how's your husband your business partner?
And I think that's insane. But when I think about it,
I think about you know, I'm like, who would I
be partners with? Honestly, people, I think probably Mary Elizabeth
could be my business part right right, like right, the
only person I might not want to like assassinate after
first like week. The fact that you guys are still
this inseparable because I see you actually like offline not working,
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and you guys are like an old married couple, honest,
we really are, we literally are. Again, it goes back
to what we said with you, Like, I think all
three of us we don't really are public persona and
private persona is actually the same. It's just the same thing.
We just don't have the patience I think to be
anyone else. Yeah, you know, only energy. We just are
if we are and Joanna and I, it is the
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craziest thing in my life that we are still just
the same exact way. I don't remember if we told
you or not. But the house that I'm building, Joanna's
building a house around the corner for me, so we're
actually everyone thinks we lived together, but now we're basically
it's the most Joanna. It's the most cly Enjoyanna thing
we could do. We're building homes basically next to each other,
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which is psychotic. Yeah, but whenever, So like I spend
all our life together to I just need we just
need to be together, Like basically, I think that's literally
the greatest and cutest thing ever. Do you I have
a question. Do you guys have sisters? I have Joanna?
Does I don't? I you're super close with your sister
or no? You know what she I am in the
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sense that she is the sweetest the most, You're very different,
are nicer than me? Very different? Oh stop, what is
nicer than you? Stop it? Yeah. But by the way,
I say that about my sister, My sister is like candy.
She's like handy sugar next to me, and everyone's like,
I'm like, please, trust I look like an asshole next
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to her. Joanna's sisters very But I think that's also
But you don't clear, I don't have a sister. So
I'd say Joanna say yeah, because it's funny because I
always say that we talk like sisters and siblings, and
then some people will be like, oh, you must not
have a sister because Joanna and I don't fight. We
just we don't fight. People think we're fighting. That's just
the way. But that's my point. But that so that
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is an actual sister thing. Like Jen Meyer and Sarah
Foster are like that totally. They are like sisters. Because
my sister is my safe person, right who I can
like scream a head off at her for like sixty
seconds and like be like what are we eating? You know,
and then like or sit in the same room for
two hours and not say a word and like, no,
I'm pissy about it. You know what I mean. So
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it's like, so I do find you have that relationship
like we do. Like you'll tell each other if you're
what you're wearing is fucking hideous, Like I guess what
I'm saying is there aren't walls between you and I
think that's the difference between a friend and a sister.
You know, you don't have to protect what you're saying,
you don't have to filter. How about that? It is
shocking to Joanna that, Like when I was in treatment,
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specifically because you know me, I'm an energizer bunny. I'm
a big, experience, sane person. I love being around people.
It gives me energy, it gives me life. And when
I was in treatment, I told Joanna there were a
few times I was like I'm really type, Like I
don't know if I can hang out with this person.
Like I went for dinner and I got tired. At
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first of all, Joanna is like, welcome, thank you, I'm tired.
She was like this is great for me, But she
also was so shocked. She's like, I can't how can
you have a friend that depletes you? Like, how can
you have a relationship with someone where you can't just
not speak like how And because with Joanna it's she'll
be like, I don't want to wear you out. Like
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when I was tired and I was like, you don't
wear me out. I was like, you can sit there
and I literally don't have to talk. Sure, and she's
so shook that, like anyone in my life isn't that,
But it's true. It's like Joanna is a special person
in my life. But I think I also, I think
I have too many people in general. But because Joanna
is like I only have three friends and I can
do that with all of them. For me, I need
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to be around people that I tell clear this is
like the utmost compliment. But it's like you don't count.
It's like, sure, I only want to be around people
that don't count. But I can be a thousand percent myself.
I can sit there quiet or or not. We could
fall up, we can laugh or just ignore each other
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so home at it. We have like the show, we
have the product, we have the like I wish there
was six hundred of you, Like I wish one of
you could just live in my guest room so I
could live this organized life. It's funny because anytime I
meet someone and they're like, oh, yeah, you know, we
have this business where we like go into people's homes
and we like, I go like the how about it?
And listen, there can't be one stylist or can't be
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one to hit like, there can't be one of anything, right,
and there is the old thing that you know my
team's day, well, imitations the best form of flattery. I'm like,
why does that not help me here? It doesn't help right,
So so I think I like to talk about this
because in every journey to the top, there are challenges, right,
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and things that concern you when you go to sleep
at night or wake up in the morning. You know,
things that get under your skin. Well I will say this,
and Joanna might have a different answer, but I think
that things used to get under our skin way more
than they than it does now. I think that, and
I think that's normal right, like you get to a point.
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We had to center ourselves in saying, Okay, we have
multiple books out, we have multiple seasons of a show,
we have a very public Instagram account. We have launched
a thousand ships, and we've given them the tools. We've
given everyone the tools. We've given everyone what we do
and the way we do it, so we can't really
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be upset the people have taken those tools and use
them to create businesses. And truly, if we can inspire,
you know, there's just what you I think also realizes
that there's so much room for everyone in this world.
It's just you know, if we can inspire especially you know,
female entrepreneurs to come out do an organizing business like fabulous.
You know, a lot of people come up to us
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and they say, like, I started doing this because you,
and I actually think that when I think that makes
a huge compliment to me as a huge compliment, and
I'm like, wow, that's amazing, so proud of you. That's incredible.
So I feel like all of that is really good,
and I think everyone's different. When Joanna and I started
an organizing company, the Home and It, we looked at
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all the other professional organizers who were doing things very differently,
and then we looked at, you know, someone like Marie Condo,
who was also doing it very differently and who now
apparently out. I know. I was like Marie, like Marie
so but again, and I think that she's just going
through a Joanna. I think that. I think I think
she'll be back at hermon just totally right. I'm like,
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she'll be back. But I think that from our perspective,
we were like, Okay, we sit here and we want
to try and do something that is different, and that
that is how we ended up with. Again, like no
one was making cursive labels back then, like that was silly.
Everyone was using the label maker or something practical. We
were like, we want to just have a signature. We
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want to have a calling cards that it represents us.
And again, that's totally fine right now. I can't say
if I was starting an organizing business, I wouldn't look
at the two of us and be like, Okay, let
me find a partner that I really like, let me
like try and do something cool on Instagram. Let me
you know, I get it. We created about emulate what
you see, you know, and I think we've all been
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so lucky to be inspired by people to create, for us,
to create something a new version of it, and then
to hopefully pass the torch on to the next generation
that does it even join Are you're old? Like they're
ever gotten up there? We're talking about climbing and heel,
do you know what climbing? And I'm like, climbing in
tennis shoes. Seriously, barely don't I have barely? I wait
with one of you barefoot at baby to baby at
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the gala. I feel like it would would never be me.
I mistake my shoes off at one point because I
haven't heard I'd rather be bleeding. I do want to
understand a little bit about the go forward for home edit.
So home edit is larger than life. I think everybody
knows it. For me, the biggest challenge of trying to
grow my styling business when I was styling full time
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was that they all wanted me to be there. You
don't have this problem. You have incredible people that work
with you. But like, my biggest challenge obviously was you know,
kind of snakes in the grass that worked with me.
So that's a very common thing with like hairstylist. I
hear it from makeup artists. I hear it from law firms,
I hear it from agents managers. So how have you
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guys been so blessed to have incredible people that can
sort of execute on the home edit vision and dream. Initially,
hiring was the scariest thing we could ever think, of course,
and because number one, it's crazy to think about replicating
your skills and yourself and your work ethic, like you
know how you work. So initially I would say we
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goard the biggest score of our life because we got
Summer and that she was our first employee, so she
set the path of hiring other people. It never got
easier to let that control go. But what we learned
really quickly was number One, people are really talented and
good at what they do, and we can teach them
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everything other than the passion. As long as someone kind
of has that drive and that passion that work ethic,
we can teach them the organizing. So again, it's like
figuring out the type of people you want to hire.
And I won't say that every situation has worked out perfectly,
And there are definitely people who used to work for
us who now have organizing companies, just like there are
people who work for you that ended up becoming stylists.
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And I think that in some ways it kind of
is like launching other organizing companies in general, Like you
just have to take a deep breath and steal yourself
in your own confidence that you are really good at
what you do and that everyone who works for you
is really good at what they do, and you have
to trust to a certain extent, or like you'll never grow.
It's like we would we would never grow if we
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didn't trust, sort of never grown, we could never be
where we are now. I trust people. So, Joanna, what,
I'm curious what. I'm sure you have other things to
add to that. What is your take? No, I would
agree completely. I think it was really hard in the beginning.
I mean, it's why I didn't want a business partner,
you know, it was the same reason I'm like, why
would I ever want someone to be in this world
with me when I only can count on myself? Sure,
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and so, but you know then I sort of had
the epiphany that's like, wow, if you meet the right person, yeah,
this need one billion times better than what I could
have ever dreamed of. Sure, and so to clear his point,
we hired Sumner, who was like it was like birthing
the first best child you could ever dream of. So
it's like, and so she sort of paved the way
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that like, yeah, other people can absolutely do this and
do this well, and in order for us to continue
to grow, we have to trust. Yeah, and so like
we were only going to get in our own way
if we didn't do that. No, one hundred percent. And
here's the thing takeaway for that, I want to say
to anyone like building a business of anything of this
nature where you have to hire two in order to grow,
you have to It's never about how you leave. It's
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never about leaving. It's about how you leave. Yeah, it's
a thing like all of us want everyone to live
their best life and be their most successful, amazing selves. Yeah,
but it's how you do it that matters. And that
is really for me, the biggest lesson that I try
to teach kind of twenty somethings now starting out in
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their lives is like, just be straight, Just be straight,
be professional, be kind, and you will never trip over yourself.
That's it. Well, it's actually so true. It's so true.
That's the thing is because we would never you would
would never want to stand in the way from someone
a person, of course not. You don't expect people to
work for you for the rest of their lives, right.
It's interesting because you know, it's very for me to
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watch you guys grow to where you are now. I
think I always am like and you have very big
personal lives and very big family lives, and so I
think it's important to do that. What's next for Hometic
Are there obvious dreams ahead? Yeah? Well, we got acquired
by Hello Sunshine Reecee Witherspoon's company in Sebruary, and Hello
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Sunshine is an unbelievable partner for us. I mean, they're
allowing us to continue to grow the Home Edit in
all the ways that, you know, amplify all the things
that we were already doing. What they're support it's a dream.
It is a dream. And one of the dreams that
we're going to be living out this year is a
lot of stuff that we had to shelve last year.
I physibly couldn't do it, but that meant we visibly
couldn't do it. So we're going to be just you know,
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coming up on this year, we're going to be on
the road a lot. I can say that we have
a few projects that are going to be become public
projects this year. We're still recording our podcast and so
again we have a lot of like media sings and
when I say media, we have you know, our books,
TV podcast, all of that. And we're really excited to
be in person and live again, which we kind of
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haven't been since twenty nineteen. So we're really excited that
we get to do these things and be with people again.
And so I think that to me, and you know
how I am. I love being with people, so to me,
that's like the most and so it all lies out.
I'm just excited, honestly at this point, the thought of
traveling for work, nothing sounds better, right, nothing sounds better.
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But I was like recounting all of my favorite last
moments of twenty twenty one. So this was in twenty too,
but I was like thinking about all of like the
last trips we went on, like we were in DC
during the holidays. I was like, Joanna, and I've had
so many good trips. You guys are literally the ketest,
which is why I love your podcast called Best Friend Energy,
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because it's like that's really what it is, and like
bring it. I really have that with my sister. But
like you know, it's so great that you guys have
each other. It's so amazing that you built the home
at it. I know you're like really big and fancy now,
but I really need you to come live with me
for a week. So dying here, I'm dying. I can't
find anything. I don't or anything is rid of. Fifty
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percent of it you know will be there, Rachel. I
know I just said that, but I'm not going to
do that. I'm not I know you we already know.
We didn't even listen to get rid of stuff, like
we already know that, you know. The crazy thing is
we've organized of different homes, different closets. I feel like
I know your inventory. Yeah, so well good, so you
can take place it wherever you want. I really like,
I feel like I know it, Like I even know
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like which things are priorities, which things we could have
on higher shel Like I feel like I really know it.
You do, so we could probably yeah, you could probably
do it quickly. But I really just want to say
that I love everything you guys do. I'm so excited
to see like what I feel like you have like
another thousand things that are about to happen, and I'm
so excited. I think it's a really great career path
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for a lot of women that I hear from in
person or on my social media. Like, I think that's
this sort of really big lesson that I think is
really important to learn from you guys and what you
do and live in the like come edit state of mind,
you know, and I know, And I feel like Joanna
and I could take a page out of your book
and live in slightly more glamorous state of mind, but
you live in an involve being dressed every day. But yeah,
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I'm like, you know what Rachel like checks that boot Like,
I'm like, I think of her glamorous. Okay, we don't.
Joanna and I are never going to be. I'm just
excited when I put jeans on. I barely see you
in jeans, but I'm like, hier jeans, polish on them.
I'll do a polish flair. Thinking about you in sneakers
and a boyfriend. It's like a disaster. Okay, I love
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you both so much. Okay, it's that time in the
show when I answer to listener questions. So let's see
what we have today. I have no clue what to
wear to my friend's winter wedding. It's not black tie,
but it's cocktail attire. It's funny. People get really confused
(36:22):
when it's not black tie, myself included, because I kind
of only know how to do black tie. My favorite
thing for a winter wedding, because it's so seasonal, is
to wear velvet. I love a great velvet cocktail dress.
I love a really beautiful, sexy black like tuxedo or
black suit that you can wear with like a little
lace camasol underneath. Those would definitely be two of my
(36:44):
favorite things to wear. But I think, you know, I
think it's a great opportunity to wear that really special
dress that didn't feel like a gown but that you love.
And I think all the things that you don't get
to wear for half the year is what you should
wear in winter. But even my wedding was in February
in New York City and I put all of my
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bridesmaids in black velvet, So definitely my favorite. Okay, my
son is twelve going on eighteen, and we don't allow
social media yet. Do you allow your boys to be
on social media? And what age will you let them start. Okay,
this is a really really important question and one that
I contemplate all the time as well and talk to
(37:26):
my friends about. About two years ago, I felt like, Okay,
when he's eleven, I'll let him be on it and
just keep it private. And then this year, having Sky
in sixth grade, you know, sort of having friends in
his grade that already got had bad experiences because of
social media and feelings hurt and getting depressed and all that,
(37:49):
and I saw, oh my god, in the shortest time
with the sweetest kids, I have seen the impact of
what this can do. And I actually, so Sky's turned twelve,
he may not have social media yet, and I think
that I'm going to make a sort of real time
decision on when he can have it, because it's not
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him that I'm worried about. I'm worried about everyone else.
And I'm worried what he'll have access to see, and
I'm worried about people having access to him, quite frankly,
and I think that we've now seen, and it came
out recently on CNN that social media under the age
of thirteen, and even at thirteen is just simply too young.
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It's just so detrimental and they're really showing such an
insane increase in anxiety, depression, suicide, all of that. And
it's like, I think about how hard it was to
be a teenager when I was a teenager with like
no cell phones or anything like that, if I had
social media, right like, as a teenager, I cannot wrap
my head around the emotional roller coaster and pain with
(38:53):
the mean girling and the boyfriends and the not being included.
And my advice, and again just my opinion, keep it
away as long as you can, and when you allow it,
have it be private and be linked to it so
you can watch it, monitor it, and control it until
they're eighteen and they can make their own decisions. Honestly,
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that's my plan and I'm sticking to it. Okay, don't
forget to submit your questions for next week's episode. All
you have to do is DMUs your questions to at
Climbing in Heels pod on Instagram and I might just
answer your question. These two are such a breath of
(39:38):
fresh air. I mean, they're just to the hardest, working,
beyond hilarious women. Every time I talk to Clean Joanna,
I can't stop laughing because the way that they really
are like an old married couple that have been together
for like seventy years. That's kind of like how their
vibe is. And also they're so professional, they work so hard.
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I think the are just such a good example of
how to follow your dream and also inspire others and
that positive, positive female energy and it's just so refreshing.
And that was a fun one. I really love that.
Thank you so much for listening to Climbing and Heels.
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will be sharing their incredible journeys to the top, all
while staying glamorous. Today with me, we have my favorite
duo of FasTIS, the incredible Clia Share and Joanna Teplin
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from the Home at It. Together we speak about the
beginnings of their insane organizational skills, like actually insane, moving
to Nashville and why both for their husbands and meeting
on a blind friendship date that turned into their most
amazing business. The girls also talk about when they have
their moments where they need to mentally shut off, relax,
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and of course recuperate, but of course they're still together
during absolute silence. First of all, I'm so happy to
see you both and speak to you both, and you
know you're such dear friends. I obviously know how you
guys came together. I don't want to make you tell
your whole life story, but what I do want to
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talk about, how in God's name did you get here.
It's funny because I remember meeting you for the first
time and hearing about you from a few friends, and
I obviously fell in love with you guys because you
were so funny and so silly and so passionate, right,
And for me, the magnet that I have to certain
people are when they have a passion for what they do,
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no matter what it is. If you like are smiling
and excited and put your whole self into it, to me,
that's the draw, right, And so I think with both
of you, it's very clear this is your passion. All
I have to do is spend ten minutes with you
in any closet or anywhere, and the OCD really kicks
in high. And so I want to kind of understand
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a little bit. Who were you as a kid? Like
were you always like cleaning up? So both of you
like that or not? Really, this is actually my favorite question.
Joanna's smiling because she knows how Like truly this just
is it hits to my soul because the most amazing
thing is that I was but Joanna went through a
real slaw period. That is just it like my favorite
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thing for people to ask. I love it. But I
think she pays people to ask. I literally am like,
if you could just ask this question, because I'll just
you know what, here's what we'll do. I'll tell my
story and Joanna could explain. But it's all beautiful. Can
I tell you why, because it shows that there's hope
for people that tournt like Cleia so Clia tummy. So
you were born like this. So I was born this way,
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and I now use my powers for good and not evil.
But when I was a kid, I would spend an
inordinate amount of time in my room making everything just so.
I would move furniture around, like what I would do
on like spring break. I remember the first day of
spring break. I was like, well, this room is my home,
like this is my apartment, and I am going to
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make sure that every like my bed is made every morning,
that everything is perfect. And I was going to set
up my little you know, my reading station whatever it was.
You know, back of the day, we didn't have iPad,
like this was like my the what I did in
my room was my entertainment that you just wanted to
take the electronics for our kids so they do the same.
I kind of do ye and Stella if she were here,
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she'd be like, oh, but like I do that just
on roadblocks, Like I like, make like a nice room.
But I just I'm like, okay, that's not the point.
But there was a portion of my younger life before
my mother remarried and then my stepdad went to adopt me.
But my mother was a single mom until I was
in and I would say the fourth grade, fourth or
fifth grade. It's pretty pivotal, it is. It was pivotal.
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And my mom was the hardest worker ever. She inherited
my grandfather's business, and even when she and she just
retired a few years ago, my dad has been like
begging her to not but it's just it's who she is.
And everyone in my family joined and I talk about
this a lot. Every single person in my family is
an entrepreneur. No one ended up working for a company.
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Everyone worked for themselves, and so that's what I witness
growing up. And that's, you know, I think where my
footsteps kind of fell in. So your kids, So, do
your kids love it? Do they reject it? Do you
think it's just you're born with it or not? Because
I have one that is and one that isn't. It's
really interesting and I find myself being hopeful and frustrated
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at the same time because I don't think that there's
like a perfect you know, no one has come out
blazing here, so which is frustrating. My daughter has a
lot of things where she will be like this bothers me,
you know, like if something isn't in place, or this
is so satisfying, or like doesn't it kill you if
And I'm like, yes, I see all those things. Why
is their laundry on the floor? Like why? Like where?
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What about your skincare? Like why is it on? Can
you put it away? So it's like I again, I
appreciate that about her. My son is he's not bothered
by anything. Sutton will wear the same three shirts for
the rest of his life because he wears them. They're clean, shouldered,
put back, so he just is things are less chaotic
because he's just simple and Stella has to try everything
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on and then like leaves it everywhere. I think part
of the issue is my kids have never had one
million toys or one million things like that. I've always
had a pretty pair down. But with clothing, what are
you gonna do? They have to get dressed, God house,
so God help us exactly. I'd I'd be in jail
because I'd be broke. You would be living on the street,
but your daughter would be the best stress in like
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head to toe Gucci. But I'd be broke on the
Street one hundred percent, and I'm about to be because
Stella has now she's grown into like an actual taste
for clothing, which is so sorry. Clothing is expensive. It's
so frustrating, like we're target is a done day, like
that is not happening anymore. So, yes, things actually cost money,
and it's you know, very stressful. Thank god, Sutton doubt
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care like a yeah, it has to bout money there.
Stella was always she always cared about her out. It's
the very first time Joanna came over with her kids, Marlowe,
who you know, Joanna has an older boy, younger, broader,
and so marlow came over like front Bullie Stumpkins. She
was just like in like Biles clothes, like I feel
like she was like in but she was dressed like
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me and like leggings and a sweat I was like,
probably like a cute normal girl, like like she was
Gwen pants right where she was like sweatpants and tennis
shoes like whatever. And she too, like let's spak care.
She was too. Stella took Marlow by the hand, led
her into her closet, into her room. I was like,
Carlow Yes, she was like, let me help you, and
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she put Marlow in like a ball down of course,
and Marlow came out like Cinderella when she wass around
and Marko Marlow was a change person. She was like, mom,
like you what if you were holding out of that
were the same grass? This old name be dress us
that I had to buy an every color until the
size ran out. We bought it a year after year,
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six years in a row. She only wore the one
dress because it was like basically the one that Solo
showed her. But see, that's the thing. I do think
ninety percent of who we are, if not more, is
how we're born, right Because I was like Stella and
most of my friends were like Marlow, and by the way,
still are. But they still enjoy getting dressed up. But
they also, in their most happy as self are like
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they still look great, they still look cute, but they're casual.
And I think it really does. I think we look
at our kids when they're born and go, who are
you going to be? And I had so many wise
people tell me like they're this, They're what you're looking at,
And when I think about it, my kids are literal
exactly as they were born. Okay, so Joanna, you grew
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up and you were neat freak and then became a
slob and then became a neat freak. Yeah. No. I
started off really really organized, and I always loved moving
furniture around, like when my mom would come home. I
don't like move beds my self. I was really into
how things look. I also probably don't even know this one,
so just stand back on this one. But I used
to collect, like my grandmother would take me shopping in California.
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I grew up in North Frolina, and I remember coming
to California every Christmas break and we would go shopping
and we would go to like Benetton and Gap, like
all of those things. And I would collect the bags
that the clothes would come in, and I would hang
them on my walls and so I would decorate all
the walls with all the shopping bags. Yeah, and this
was like, by the way, your bag, by the way,
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you should do that again. Clia's a gas. I need
to see. I need to see what it looked like
it was us. It was like an art inst That's
what I mean. It sounds very much like something at
the met Like I'm really I'm super into this right now.
It was like pop art before I knew what that was.
But anyway, I had this in me, so I was
like very particular about how things would go, and I
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would always try to rearrange furniture. And then I took
a sharp left turn in high school and was a
complete slob, cheerleading clothes bra in the back of my
trunk of my car, like everything on the floor, absolute
total disaster. College close to the ceiling, the biggest mess.
And then I turned a quarter I guess, god, I
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don't even know when sometime after college, and I was like,
I need everything in back order. I just can't live
like this. Then I just became obsessed, and especially after
I had when I was pregnant and after I had Miles,
my son, just perfecting every closet and every inch matters,
and like how it makes me feel sane and calm
and in control and all these things that I didn't
have and you know, having a newborn or whatever. Yeah,
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And I've never looked it's almost like we do the
same thing, honestly, but in a different you know, a
different angle, like a different facet of the industry. Right,
Like there are so many similarities, right, and so for me,
it's like that getting dressed thing. It's a little bit
like so you guys, your peace of mind is like
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everything in order right, And I definitely have a lot
of that. I do have this part of me that
if I have five events in a week, you cannot
imagine what my bathroom and bathtub look like. There's like
gowns and tool and jewel, like it's just everywhere. So
a lot of it for me is like a time
thing and like just being like you know, but I
will say that like for me, even if it takes
me five minutes to get ready or whatever, I can't
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really like function until I feel like I was telling
someone the other day, like I had COVID once if
I took me two and a half years to get
I got it. They said to what did you do
like when you had COVID did you get dressed? And
I was like I was in different rotating black robes.
My skin hurt so bad that like writing hurt. But
I had a full cat I lash and a lip
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because I couldn't. Yeah, it was like I couldn't. I
just couldn't. I twirled my hair. Nobody was seeing me
like I nobody not even Roger, I locked I locked
everyone out clean. I always say this about organizing, and
I have a feeling and this is sort of maybe
how you feel. I mean, you can tell me if
I'm wrong, but when we're organizing, something just has to
clicken a place, and once it's in a right spot,
just like this is right. This is how the space
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has always been intended to be. And I don't know
if you're like that. I'm not like clows or out
of anything. I know nothing about any of those, but
I can imagine for you that's how it feels, and
especially when you're styling somebody else, because you look at
it like the way you guys share around in a space,
and it like clicks clicks clicks, yes, hundred. But you
know what, Rachel, I understand so much. I mean I
(12:22):
laugh about the like the perfect wing on the eye
just because I actually don't know how to do that.
But I think about during chemo, where every single person
in my life is like, oh, you have a pass,
like you're like live in your pajamas lifts and I
kept trying to explain, and then I stopped trying to
explain that I was literally doing it for myself like
(12:43):
putting on makeup, and I was all right, like, you're
already it like when you have COVID or whatever, and
I have COVID during cancer, which is like, that's good.
And I want to touch on that because we've talked
about this and I've mentioned it a few times in
different things. You know, I come from the family of cancer,
and I also have multiple friends that have gone through it,
obviously you being one of them, bravest warrior bitch I
(13:03):
ever knew. I will say that the hardest thing I
have seen for women is not feeling like a woman
and not looking like a woman, and not when you
do take everything off and we do get stripped down.
It's that part of it that makes you feel a
certain way. And I think to your point, it was
truthfully in this podcast is not about me, so I
don't want to turn it on me. But actually, when
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I quit styling right after nine to eleven, I quit
styling because I felt like it was very superficial and
I said, I don't want to do this anymore. It
means nothing compared to like what these social workers, the doctors,
the frontline workers and everything. And I was like quitting
and I turned down all these jobs for like three
to six months. It's crazy. And my father tried to
get me back in. And then there's this doctor friend
(13:46):
of mine. She's actually a brain surgeon, and she was
down at the hospitals, you know, during nine to eleven,
for that whole months months and I said, she said,
oh my god, tell me something about fashion, tell me something.
And I said, I quit. And she said, what do
you mean you quit? And I said, I quit. I
don't want to do it anymore. It doesn't mean anything.
It's stupid. I'm just like it's superficial. And she's like,
you've lost your mind. And I said, no, really, like
(14:08):
what you do matters, what I do doesn't. And she
was like, okay, sit down, and she literally sent me
down and explained to me why it matters, and that
how much like my book or the things that I
do and the way that I helped women kind of
want to get out of bed sometimes and do those things.
And she talked me through this, and she's like, you're
the reason I like want to leave work and like
(14:30):
go do this and like make myself feel like a girl.
And so it was at that point I shifted literally
like the purpose of what I was doing and started
to sort of try to go in all these different
directions that were really focused on helping women live their
best lives, their most confident selves. That makes so much sense.
And I think you inspire me one hundred percent. And
(14:51):
then I'm like it almost makes me giggle because I'm like,
who am I to be inspired by Rachel Zough, Like,
I'm not going to have a chance at that, you know,
like Joanna and I like, well leave ever time and
be like, there's no one more glamorous than Rachel in
this world. But you're people zero people. Maybe maybe Molly too,
Like I feel like you, guys both. I can't think
do the sweat's real cute? She can like do work
(15:12):
out clothes all day and still be super cute, and
you just wouldn't, Like you just wouldn't because you couldn't
look cute. You know, you would look cute, but I
will genuinely like I can literally see you in pajamas, yes,
continue And it's not who you are, right, It's just
not who you are. I feel like I ran out
into the world naked. I think that's right. I think
you'd rather be naked. I actually think you rather you'd
(15:34):
rather be naked, I feel like, but it is true.
You teach people and you inspire people to be there.
I think most beautiful inner glamorous self, you know, like
you don't necessarily need it doesn't have every where you wear, right,
it doesn't. But I do feel that way about you,
and it's so genuine and it's so wild because it's
not just like your public persona that is who you
(15:56):
are as a person. Yeah, fully agree. Don't you go, well,
don't you own your own insanity? You guys? Don't you
just say like, I am who I am. And it's
like you get to an age and a point in
your life where you just go, okay, whatever, I know
which it is, I am, I am who I am.
And it's easier to accept friends for who they are too.
I mean, I honestly think that's what makes the friendship
clean and I have so powerful. It's like we both
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know who the other person is, so right, just you
meet them where they are. That's exactly right. So you, guys,
I have a question, so you obviously okay, So give
me like the two minute of how you came together,
just for our listeners who don't know. Because I think
and then I want to talk about this afterwards. I
do want to talk about the copycat effect. Yes, oh,
(16:38):
I could talk about I do want to talk about
that because obviously, like we've all been through that. But
I do want to talk about it because I'm seeing
them coming in numbers and I'm very sensitive to it.
With you guys, I'm very like so so, so I
want to talk about how you came together because it
was very unlikely, it is very unlikely. I will give
the very bird's eye view of it. So I moved
(16:58):
to Nashville in twenty fifteen, so that'll it's coming up
on eight years. Joanna moved a year and a half prior,
and you moved there. Why just randomly? Your husband, your
husband's both of us, both both of us, of us,
both of us moved from California to Nashville sight unseen. Wow.
We literally I flew in for thirty six hours to
buy a house and then flew right back to La
(17:19):
like we had never stepped foot. You guys are my here.
I had never come here until I moved here. Say
that's cast thing, ever, because Roger at one point said
we have to move to Florida for a year I said,
I'll meet you in LA. We lived at for a year,
we left New York. He went to Florida for a
year and I went to LA and then he came
a year later. I love you. Johanna and I both
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think it's insane that we said, Yes, it is insane,
but but listened, people do it all day every day.
I mean, but it was meant to be, Yah know it.
It was obviously meant to be. We always say that
we moved for our husband's jobs, and now everyone's staying
for our jobs. So, but Joanna and I met through
a mutual friend who based put us in a blind
(18:01):
friendship date together to go to lunch. Johanna was slightly
reluctant to go to lunch with me because she did
not want a business partner, and Leah kind of pitched
it as, you guys both want to start and organizing.
We both told via this, which is so random, right,
like who wants to start an organ well now everyone does,
but who wants to start an organizing company? And so
she was like, oh, I have these two friends who
(18:22):
both want the same thing. Joanna was hesitant, but we
sat down and we got up after four hours of
lunch as business partners, and that very same day, that evening,
actually we came up with our name, our logo, or
we got our domain, our social handles. We started filling
out paperwork we felt. We opened up bank accounts together
that week. It was crazy. No one should be crazy,
(18:42):
but it worked. And how many years is this now?
It'll be eight years on oven and as yes, that's
literally crazy, and it's crazy for so many reasons because look,
you guys, girls are tough, right, Like, let's be real,
girls are tough. We've all had tough girls, We've had
amazing girls, right, But I think with it it's funny
(19:03):
because some people say, how's your husband your business partner?
And I think that's insane. But when I think about it,
I think about you know, I'm like, who would I
be partners with? Honestly, people, I think probably Mary Elizabeth
could be my business part right right, like right, the
only person I might not want to like assassinate after
first like week. The fact that you guys are still
this inseparable because I see you actually like offline not working,
(19:27):
and you guys are like an old married couple, honest,
we really are, we literally are. Again, it goes back
to what we said with you, Like, I think all
three of us we don't really are public persona and
private persona is actually the same. It's just the same thing.
We just don't have the patience I think to be
anyone else. Yeah, you know, only energy. We just are
if we are and Joanna and I, it is the
(19:50):
craziest thing in my life that we are still just
the same exact way. I don't remember if we told
you or not. But the house that I'm building, Joanna's
building a house around the corner for me, so we're
actually everyone thinks we lived together, but now we're basically
it's the most Joanna. It's the most cly Enjoyanna thing
we could do. We're building homes basically next to each other,
(20:14):
which is psychotic. Yeah, but whenever, So like I spend
all our life together to I just need we just
need to be together, Like basically, I think that's literally
the greatest and cutest thing ever. Do you I have
a question. Do you guys have sisters? I have Joanna?
Does I don't? I you're super close with your sister
or no? You know what she I am in the
(20:35):
sense that she is the sweetest the most, You're very different,
are nicer than me? Very different? Oh stop, what is
nicer than you? Stop it? Yeah. But by the way,
I say that about my sister, My sister is like candy.
She's like handy sugar next to me, and everyone's like,
I'm like, please, trust I look like an asshole next
(20:56):
to her. Joanna's sisters very But I think that's also
But you don't clear, I don't have a sister. So
I'd say Joanna say yeah, because it's funny because I
always say that we talk like sisters and siblings, and
then some people will be like, oh, you must not
have a sister because Joanna and I don't fight. We
just we don't fight. People think we're fighting. That's just
the way. But that's my point. But that so that
(21:19):
is an actual sister thing. Like Jen Meyer and Sarah
Foster are like that totally. They are like sisters. Because
my sister is my safe person, right who I can
like scream a head off at her for like sixty
seconds and like be like what are we eating? You know,
and then like or sit in the same room for
two hours and not say a word and like, no,
I'm pissy about it. You know what I mean. So
(21:39):
it's like, so I do find you have that relationship
like we do. Like you'll tell each other if you're
what you're wearing is fucking hideous, Like I guess what
I'm saying is there aren't walls between you and I
think that's the difference between a friend and a sister.
You know, you don't have to protect what you're saying,
you don't have to filter. How about that? It is
shocking to Joanna that, Like when I was in treatment,
(22:03):
specifically because you know me, I'm an energizer bunny. I'm
a big, experience, sane person. I love being around people.
It gives me energy, it gives me life. And when
I was in treatment, I told Joanna there were a
few times I was like I'm really type, Like I
don't know if I can hang out with this person.
Like I went for dinner and I got tired. At
(22:24):
first of all, Joanna is like, welcome, thank you, I'm tired.
She was like this is great for me, But she
also was so shocked. She's like, I can't how can
you have a friend that depletes you? Like, how can
you have a relationship with someone where you can't just
not speak like how And because with Joanna it's she'll
be like, I don't want to wear you out. Like
(22:45):
when I was tired and I was like, you don't
wear me out. I was like, you can sit there
and I literally don't have to talk. Sure, and she's
so shook that, like anyone in my life isn't that,
But it's true. It's like Joanna is a special person
in my life. But I think I also, I think
I have too many people in general. But because Joanna
is like I only have three friends and I can
do that with all of them. For me, I need
(23:05):
to be around people that I tell clear this is
like the utmost compliment. But it's like you don't count.
It's like, sure, I only want to be around people
that don't count. But I can be a thousand percent myself.
I can sit there quiet or or not. We could
fall up, we can laugh or just ignore each other
like whatever. That is that when someone's just exceptionally good
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so home at it. We have like the show, we
have the product, we have the like I wish there
was six hundred of you, Like I wish one of
you could just live in my guest room so I
could live this organized life. It's funny because anytime I
meet someone and they're like, oh, yeah, you know, we
have this business where we like go into people's homes
and we like, I go like the how about it?
And listen, there can't be one stylist or can't be
(25:18):
one to hit like, there can't be one of anything, right,
and there is the old thing that you know my
team's day, well, imitations the best form of flattery. I'm like,
why does that not help me here? It doesn't help right,
So so I think I like to talk about this
because in every journey to the top, there are challenges, right,
(25:39):
and things that concern you when you go to sleep
at night or wake up in the morning. You know,
things that get under your skin. Well I will say this,
and Joanna might have a different answer, but I think
that things used to get under our skin way more
than they than it does now. I think that, and
I think that's normal right, like you get to a point.
(26:02):
We had to center ourselves in saying, Okay, we have
multiple books out, we have multiple seasons of a show,
we have a very public Instagram account. We have launched
a thousand ships, and we've given them the tools. We've
given everyone the tools. We've given everyone what we do
and the way we do it, so we can't really
(26:23):
be upset the people have taken those tools and use
them to create businesses. And truly, if we can inspire,
you know, there's just what you I think also realizes
that there's so much room for everyone in this world.
It's just you know, if we can inspire especially you know,
female entrepreneurs to come out do an organizing business like fabulous.
You know, a lot of people come up to us
(26:43):
and they say, like, I started doing this because you,
and I actually think that when I think that makes
a huge compliment to me as a huge compliment, and
I'm like, wow, that's amazing, so proud of you. That's incredible.
So I feel like all of that is really good,
and I think everyone's different. When Joanna and I started
an organizing company, the Home and It, we looked at
(27:03):
all the other professional organizers who were doing things very differently,
and then we looked at, you know, someone like Marie Condo,
who was also doing it very differently and who now
apparently out. I know. I was like Marie, like Marie
so but again, and I think that she's just going
through a Joanna. I think that. I think I think
she'll be back at hermon just totally right. I'm like,
(27:26):
she'll be back. But I think that from our perspective,
we were like, Okay, we sit here and we want
to try and do something that is different, and that
that is how we ended up with. Again, like no
one was making cursive labels back then, like that was silly.
Everyone was using the label maker or something practical. We
were like, we want to just have a signature. We
(27:46):
want to have a calling cards that it represents us.
And again, that's totally fine right now. I can't say
if I was starting an organizing business, I wouldn't look
at the two of us and be like, Okay, let
me find a partner that I really like, let me
like try and do something cool on Instagram. Let me
you know, I get it. We created about emulate what
you see, you know, and I think we've all been
(28:08):
so lucky to be inspired by people to create, for us,
to create something a new version of it, and then
to hopefully pass the torch on to the next generation
that does it even join Are you're old? Like they're
ever gotten up there? We're talking about climbing and heel,
do you know what climbing? And I'm like, climbing in
tennis shoes. Seriously, barely don't I have barely? I wait
with one of you barefoot at baby to baby at
(28:31):
the gala. I feel like it would would never be me.
I mistake my shoes off at one point because I
haven't heard I'd rather be bleeding. I do want to
understand a little bit about the go forward for home edit.
So home edit is larger than life. I think everybody
knows it. For me, the biggest challenge of trying to
grow my styling business when I was styling full time
(28:52):
was that they all wanted me to be there. You
don't have this problem. You have incredible people that work
with you. But like, my biggest challenge obviously was you know,
kind of snakes in the grass that worked with me.
So that's a very common thing with like hairstylist. I
hear it from makeup artists. I hear it from law firms,
I hear it from agents managers. So how have you
(29:12):
guys been so blessed to have incredible people that can
sort of execute on the home edit vision and dream. Initially,
hiring was the scariest thing we could ever think, of course,
and because number one, it's crazy to think about replicating
your skills and yourself and your work ethic, like you
know how you work. So initially I would say we
(29:34):
goard the biggest score of our life because we got
Summer and that she was our first employee, so she
set the path of hiring other people. It never got
easier to let that control go. But what we learned
really quickly was number One, people are really talented and
good at what they do, and we can teach them
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everything other than the passion. As long as someone kind
of has that drive and that passion that work ethic,
we can teach them the organizing. So again, it's like
figuring out the type of people you want to hire.
And I won't say that every situation has worked out perfectly,
And there are definitely people who used to work for
us who now have organizing companies, just like there are
people who work for you that ended up becoming stylists.
(30:15):
And I think that in some ways it kind of
is like launching other organizing companies in general, Like you
just have to take a deep breath and steal yourself
in your own confidence that you are really good at
what you do and that everyone who works for you
is really good at what they do, and you have
to trust to a certain extent, or like you'll never grow.
It's like we would we would never grow if we
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didn't trust, sort of never grown, we could never be
where we are now. I trust people. So, Joanna, what,
I'm curious what. I'm sure you have other things to
add to that. What is your take? No, I would
agree completely. I think it was really hard in the beginning.
I mean, it's why I didn't want a business partner,
you know, it was the same reason I'm like, why
would I ever want someone to be in this world
with me when I only can count on myself? Sure,
(30:59):
and so, but you know then I sort of had
the epiphany that's like, wow, if you meet the right person, yeah,
this need one billion times better than what I could
have ever dreamed of. Sure, and so to clear his point,
we hired Sumner, who was like it was like birthing
the first best child you could ever dream of. So
it's like, and so she sort of paved the way
(31:20):
that like, yeah, other people can absolutely do this and
do this well, and in order for us to continue
to grow, we have to trust. Yeah, and so like
we were only going to get in our own way
if we didn't do that. No, one hundred percent. And
here's the thing takeaway for that, I want to say
to anyone like building a business of anything of this
nature where you have to hire two in order to grow,
you have to It's never about how you leave. It's
(31:42):
never about leaving. It's about how you leave. Yeah, it's
a thing like all of us want everyone to live
their best life and be their most successful, amazing selves. Yeah,
but it's how you do it that matters. And that
is really for me, the biggest lesson that I try
to teach kind of twenty somethings now starting out in
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their lives is like, just be straight, Just be straight,
be professional, be kind, and you will never trip over yourself.
That's it. Well, it's actually so true. It's so true.
That's the thing is because we would never you would
would never want to stand in the way from someone
a person, of course not. You don't expect people to
work for you for the rest of their lives, right.
It's interesting because you know, it's very for me to
(32:25):
watch you guys grow to where you are now. I
think I always am like and you have very big
personal lives and very big family lives, and so I
think it's important to do that. What's next for Hometic
Are there obvious dreams ahead? Yeah? Well, we got acquired
by Hello Sunshine Reecee Witherspoon's company in Sebruary, and Hello
(32:47):
Sunshine is an unbelievable partner for us. I mean, they're
allowing us to continue to grow the Home Edit in
all the ways that, you know, amplify all the things
that we were already doing. What they're support it's a dream.
It is a dream. And one of the dreams that
we're going to be living out this year is a
lot of stuff that we had to shelve last year.
I physibly couldn't do it, but that meant we visibly
couldn't do it. So we're going to be just you know,
(33:08):
coming up on this year, we're going to be on
the road a lot. I can say that we have
a few projects that are going to be become public
projects this year. We're still recording our podcast and so
again we have a lot of like media sings and
when I say media, we have you know, our books,
TV podcast, all of that. And we're really excited to
be in person and live again, which we kind of
(33:33):
haven't been since twenty nineteen. So we're really excited that
we get to do these things and be with people again.
And so I think that to me, and you know
how I am. I love being with people, so to me,
that's like the most and so it all lies out.
I'm just excited, honestly at this point, the thought of
traveling for work, nothing sounds better, right, nothing sounds better.
(33:54):
But I was like recounting all of my favorite last
moments of twenty twenty one. So this was in twenty too,
but I was like thinking about all of like the
last trips we went on, like we were in DC
during the holidays. I was like, Joanna, and I've had
so many good trips. You guys are literally the ketest,
which is why I love your podcast called Best Friend Energy,
(34:15):
because it's like that's really what it is, and like
bring it. I really have that with my sister. But
like you know, it's so great that you guys have
each other. It's so amazing that you built the home
at it. I know you're like really big and fancy now,
but I really need you to come live with me
for a week. So dying here, I'm dying. I can't
find anything. I don't or anything is rid of. Fifty
(34:37):
percent of it you know will be there, Rachel. I
know I just said that, but I'm not going to
do that. I'm not I know you we already know.
We didn't even listen to get rid of stuff, like
we already know that, you know. The crazy thing is
we've organized of different homes, different closets. I feel like
I know your inventory. Yeah, so well good, so you
can take place it wherever you want. I really like,
I feel like I know it, Like I even know
(34:58):
like which things are priorities, which things we could have
on higher shel Like I feel like I really know it.
You do, so we could probably yeah, you could probably
do it quickly. But I really just want to say
that I love everything you guys do. I'm so excited
to see like what I feel like you have like
another thousand things that are about to happen, and I'm
so excited. I think it's a really great career path
(35:19):
for a lot of women that I hear from in
person or on my social media. Like, I think that's
this sort of really big lesson that I think is
really important to learn from you guys and what you
do and live in the like come edit state of mind,
you know, and I know, And I feel like Joanna
and I could take a page out of your book
and live in slightly more glamorous state of mind, but
you live in an involve being dressed every day. But yeah,
(35:41):
I'm like, you know what Rachel like checks that boot Like,
I'm like, I think of her glamorous. Okay, we don't.
Joanna and I are never going to be. I'm just
excited when I put jeans on. I barely see you
in jeans, but I'm like, hier jeans, polish on them.
I'll do a polish flair. Thinking about you in sneakers
and a boyfriend. It's like a disaster. Okay, I love
(36:02):
you both so much. Okay, it's that time in the
show when I answer to listener questions. So let's see
what we have today. I have no clue what to
wear to my friend's winter wedding. It's not black tie,
but it's cocktail attire. It's funny. People get really confused
(36:22):
when it's not black tie, myself included, because I kind
of only know how to do black tie. My favorite
thing for a winter wedding, because it's so seasonal, is
to wear velvet. I love a great velvet cocktail dress.
I love a really beautiful, sexy black like tuxedo or
black suit that you can wear with like a little
lace camasol underneath. Those would definitely be two of my
(36:44):
favorite things to wear. But I think, you know, I
think it's a great opportunity to wear that really special
dress that didn't feel like a gown but that you love.
And I think all the things that you don't get
to wear for half the year is what you should
wear in winter. But even my wedding was in February
in New York City and I put all of my
(37:04):
bridesmaids in black velvet, So definitely my favorite. Okay, my
son is twelve going on eighteen, and we don't allow
social media yet. Do you allow your boys to be
on social media? And what age will you let them start. Okay,
this is a really really important question and one that
I contemplate all the time as well and talk to
(37:26):
my friends about. About two years ago, I felt like, Okay,
when he's eleven, I'll let him be on it and
just keep it private. And then this year, having Sky
in sixth grade, you know, sort of having friends in
his grade that already got had bad experiences because of
social media and feelings hurt and getting depressed and all that,
(37:49):
and I saw, oh my god, in the shortest time
with the sweetest kids, I have seen the impact of
what this can do. And I actually, so Sky's turned twelve,
he may not have social media yet, and I think
that I'm going to make a sort of real time
decision on when he can have it, because it's not
(38:10):
him that I'm worried about. I'm worried about everyone else.
And I'm worried what he'll have access to see, and
I'm worried about people having access to him, quite frankly,
and I think that we've now seen, and it came
out recently on CNN that social media under the age
of thirteen, and even at thirteen is just simply too young.
(38:31):
It's just so detrimental and they're really showing such an
insane increase in anxiety, depression, suicide, all of that. And
it's like, I think about how hard it was to
be a teenager when I was a teenager with like
no cell phones or anything like that, if I had
social media, right like, as a teenager, I cannot wrap
my head around the emotional roller coaster and pain with
(38:53):
the mean girling and the boyfriends and the not being included.
And my advice, and again just my opinion, keep it
away as long as you can, and when you allow it,
have it be private and be linked to it so
you can watch it, monitor it, and control it until
they're eighteen and they can make their own decisions. Honestly,
(39:15):
that's my plan and I'm sticking to it. Okay, don't
forget to submit your questions for next week's episode. All
you have to do is DMUs your questions to at
Climbing in Heels pod on Instagram and I might just
answer your question. These two are such a breath of
(39:38):
fresh air. I mean, they're just to the hardest, working,
beyond hilarious women. Every time I talk to Clean Joanna,
I can't stop laughing because the way that they really
are like an old married couple that have been together
for like seventy years. That's kind of like how their
vibe is. And also they're so professional, they work so hard.
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I think the are just such a good example of
how to follow your dream and also inspire others and
that positive, positive female energy and it's just so refreshing.
And that was a fun one. I really love that.
Thank you so much for listening to Climbing and Heels.
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