Shawn Marion joins Jeff Teague and the Club 520 guys on the third stop of the Hennessy Arena Tour in Dallas. Shawn Marion tells stories about winning an NBA championship with Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Kidd, and the Dallas Mavericks, playing alongside LeBron James and Kyrie Irving for the Cleveland Cavaliers, being one of the best defenders in NBA history, and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
For Jeft DJ Wells.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Clap it up for DJ Wells, Bishop b Hening and
NBA champion Dallas Mavericks legend the Matrix Sean Marry and
clap it up for him.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Let's go, Hey and boy, you and tru like that.
You need to come on this.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Podcast going crazy. He started sweating after the turn up.
You know what it is Club five twenty week in
Dallas with it this weekend?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
How y'all wore man.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Were from me Tonapolis, Indiana's three one seven day around
our way we grabbed you know what I'm saying. Happy
to be out here with y'all, cele braton doing it
in with hen see Arena Walmo again. But like I said,
it's Club five twenty podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I'm the host.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
My name is DJ Wells. We got a legend to
my left. Special guests. You're gonna introduce my man's last
ones to my far left.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
My dog Bishop be hearing out the Burley's green leaf.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
How you are nasty? Nasty? What's up? Dallas wasn't near
every bad Let's go, yeah, a little matrix. I know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I know your full game crazy, but have you ever
seen the black forces with the white laces.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
That's how he was in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
That's how he wouldn't you know.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
No, I ain't never seen those, but it's they cleaned all.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Like out the gate now is clean.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Yeah, hey, you know the black air forms went nasty.
But you know everybody that's penitentiary chances right here, Hey,
criminal Bob, he.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Might not rob you, but he might scam you with
the white las You know what I'm saying, My man,
my bad.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
But to my right, my dog, young young team, how
you would man?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And I'm cooling bro in Dallas has been a good time.
The Bobs was right. Hennessy got me right, y'all know
how I get when I get that Hennessy, I get
to sweat a little bit about bag of food in here.
I don't do too much trying to renew this contract.
But to my left, we got a legend, legend, legend legend.
Y'all don't even notice. He's from the Midwest though, Yeah,
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from the Midwest. But he made big noise down here
in the city Dallas.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Put a banner up. We got the matrix shine Mary
in the building. Appreciate you pulling up, big dog.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
Yeah, I'm excited because I know y'all got some shit
for me.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh yeah, we definitely got a lot to talk about it.
But first, you know what I'm saying, we always talked
with the fullwear game. People who don't know this is
sleep but you're a legend, especially with the footwear game
and the Jordan pees.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
How did that come about?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So look, you know it's an interesting story.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
So everybody me calling me about them damn shoes too
though that Joe was like I need a pair of those,
and everybody, I'm like, yo, I didn't even have a
pair when everybody was asking me for a pair. Because
during my uh, I think it's my third year and
I almost basically became a free agent shoe so like
I was a shoe hall. So everybody was sending me kicks,
and uh, I was gonna go with Jordan. A lot
of people don't know this. I was gonna sign with
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Jordan initially, but Jordan's like, tricks, I give you no money.
I was like, what, you would just give me the brand,
you know what I'm saying, the shoes and stuff and
everything in the Jordan umbrella. But I was like, shit,
if I'm in the Nike I'm getting it anyway, right,
He's like, yeah, it's I was like, and they gonna
pay me.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So I was like, I'm going there. I'm going Team Nike.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Now I get that shape.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah. But he made me.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
He was making me.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
He was sending me Jeordians throughout the year when I
was deciding on what team I want brand I want
to go with. So he ended up sending me a
shipment of the PE five's and they got lumped in
with everything else. And what happened was during that process,
I was getting so many shoes and I was wearing
I was wearing twelves a lot at the time. So
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they came the customers came in, but I never received
them because I was wearing a new pair of shoes
every game. So with so many that came in, they
got lumped in. And then I was moving around and
doing so much and went to Nike and they they
had made me a custom pair of Pees, but PJ.
Tucker got them because he went into the vault. So
a lot of teams don't people don't notice. A lot
of teams have a locker room full of just shoes
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and all the guys played through.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Now, typically if you if.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
You're with whoever brand you are, they sing you some
shoes home with you doing the summertime, you know, but
they always keep a stock for you, you know what
I'm saying, if you with the long ten year old guy.
So they got lumped in. He went through there rummaging
and found two pair. Of course he did so, so
it was even better than that. Though it's fucked up
because he got him out, so I never got him.
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So so now now hold on, I never received them.
But I do have a locker here at my house
that I haven't really been through all the sneakers, so
I could have some at the house, but dude, I
ain't trying to go in that mess right now.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So but I don't have none.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
But then now you hit a few pair at the
facility this summer booker was there working out, went to
the campus, you know, finishing up his funnel stuff for
his shoe, and he found a pair in the locker room,
you know, in the Nike locker, and you know, we
were the same side of shoes. So he grabbed him
and then he worked out with him and posted to
send me a video been working out of him in
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LA And then I was like, yo, how you got here?
And I still ain't got here yet. So then he
was like okay whatever. So then he was like yo,
of course he wanted me to be in his Nike
commercials that came out and then end up wearing them
the night of the Jersey retirement he won. He don't
even want them twice and then he gave him to
me because I don't have a pair as I know
of right now. So that's the only pair I have
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that he gave to me because he got him from
Nike this summer.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's crazy.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
I want to ask you, how in the hell did
you end up at Vincent's university?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Bro We from Indiana, Trail Blazer's baby all day.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
So, so when I was coming out of high school,
right you know, me and my boys talking about yesterday
and like I didn't pass the ACT score back then.
You remember it was ACT n SAT. So I was
one point short. I had a GPA, I had like
a beat. I was always been a smart so I
just for one point, I missed one big part on
that test. I was one point short, and I didn't
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want to wait another another another half a year to
take the test again. So I decided. I was like,
fuck it, I'm I'm want to I need to get
out of here. I need to go play ball. So
then I visited Vinceon's now visits in Northwest Mississippi junior colleges,
and I was like, Let'm gonna go. Once I went
to VU, the campus, it was it was a no brainer,
and the coach was like, yo, whatever you need and
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whatever you want you got here.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So locked in and that was. That was two of
my best years I've ever had.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Playing though, when we did everything and they lived a
red carpet out for me, it was dope for sure.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
We used to go down there and party and I
used to see your name on the bedroom. I'm like,
ain't no fucking way.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Listen, listen part I'm married from thirty eighth.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Gotta be from the ghetto, man. You know this has
got so much history though, you know, Yeah, legends went
through there. Bob mcadeal, Eric Williams and Tyrone Nasby, some guys,
lot of guys that played the pro. They had great
careers there. You know, I think I was the best one,
but you know, by far, it is what it is.
You know, I don't I'm a spacfectual. Guy.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I don't lie me too.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, come on, it was all conference two years in
a row. Baby, Oh yeah yeah male. Soon after the
year as well too, though a lot of studying the
Vince Hands up. He didn't know about the Vince hands
parties legendary.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh they were.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
I ain't gonna even lie to. They did some shipped
there that a lot of the Division one schools don't do.
It was it was some dope walky talkie type ship.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
You know, they got looking at.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Walking.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
They got they got the walking talking here, so they
gotta look out guys.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Man, it was it was late.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Tell them about when you went to didy House. Oh shine,
no entertained. That's what other podcast.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
We ain't at the cruise.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I was gonna say something.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
On this chill sorry, Oh my god, they got a
different walking talking to that party.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Don't do that. This is about Mary.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I don't want to after this.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Back back.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
But obviously you transfer to UNLV. How was that process like?
Because I know everybody in the world wanted you coming
out as a ju call American. Obviously the way you played.
You went to the school that really fit the way
you played basketball.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
So look, so my dream school was North Carolina. Dude,
I was gonna be a tar Hill. I was like,
that's all I fucked with in MJ Man, you know
more than I say, so I was. Actually, they had
one scholarship available and Bob mcadoo's only guy that came
from North Carolina. They recruited from Jimmy College. So Dean Smith,
that's one guy. Ever, so I was gonna be the
second guy. Dean Smith told me, henna have a scholarship available.
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It's a crazy story too. He had because he had
one scholarship become available and it's yours if you wanted.
My coach came to me was like, Yo, it's yours
if you want it. I was like, for real, Oh shit,
I don't say no more, say less. So get through
the year. Some shit happened or whatever, and I guess
he ended up getting sick or whatever he had to retire.
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So that kind of put that on hold because I
wanted to go play for Dean Smith. You know what
I'm saying. That's the legend of myth, the all the
history everything there, So I want to go play with him.
And then it just didn't happened. So I was like Okay,
now I'm not going North Carolina, so now I need
to go somewhere warm. Beating this dem code. That's so
in the end, that was a motherfucker being their crib. Yeah,
it was different beasts down there. So I put all
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my energy towards the West Coast. So I was like,
you know, USC was hounding me UNLV. So I went
and visited both of those places, and I was like,
I felt more comfortable, more at home with the rebels.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Man.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
And uh, you know my guy, coach Glenn Sippery and
my guy man, it's my guy to this day.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Man.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
You know, he was like, yo, come down here' gonna
take care of you. So hey, I went out there and.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
What do you mean that? Huh? Oh I got back Okay,
just making sure stop playing that game.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It wasn't legal then, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Oh was it Vegas? It was legal.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Everything goes out there. You know the stories you hear
about the rebels back in the day.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
With that ship was true.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
All that ship with Stacey. Doc had his own business.
Them guys used to walk in the mall. He used
to give them bags and anything they going. Man, it
was real that man Vegas is one stop shop.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Kid.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Everything goes out there, man, and uh I loved it
out there. It was one. It was just one, one
step in phase onto the next one.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
You should never went to way you should have with
the U n LV, I'm a chip.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
You got a legendary Vegas story. We gonna relax for
the company, y'all. On to the ninety nine NBA draft.
With the night ninety nine draft, I was this man
going to the league. How was that process? I mean
it was dream from true.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I think you know, when you when you set out
to do certain things and being exposed to being around
guys in the league and stuff like like young games man,
you create the appetite and a lot of people don't
have a lot of drive. You know, it takes it
takes a lot of sacrifice and a lot of a
lot of discipline to be successful at this game.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I don't think people really to.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Understand that, like a lot of people, takes a lot
of things for granted, you know, I've been truly blessed
to play this game a long time and give it.
I think what the identity I was a big part
of what the identity of the league is right now,
if you know anything about basketball.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
That's that's just is what it is.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
First, got to go small to make a team, transition
to playing gods out of normal positions. So well, but
my mindset, it's totally. Man, I'm a a dog, you know. Uh,
you know one of the things I prided myself though.
When I step on that floor, you just gonna get
it every every auncing energy and every effort you can
possibly get from me. And if you don't anything about
the game, you know I did that. I'm retired. I
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can do what the hell they put the plan in
front of her. I'm grown, I'm retired.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Ship.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
They're resourceful, man, I enjoy life, creative, I enjoyment.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
You rejoin retirement right now.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Clout with these dudes every day.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Man, it's fun man, and I get to go on
Hennessy tours and enjoy new people and experious new things.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Is all good.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
No, I'm serious, Like when I when I when I
ask that question, I mean like you're saying that. But
like a lot of people don't enjoy it. Like the
transition for most guys, it's harder than you think.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
No, it was.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
The first week was hard, and then after week two
we did a podcast, I was straight, oh, okay, okay,
got something to feel that void already.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
No, But like you, I'm the vice president of Retired
Player Association, So I'm gonna shout out to all my
OG's that paid the way for us, because I think
they don't get enough attention and enough flowers because we
don't talk about them. I know, everybody is more call
up and the more current and what's going on right
now with the current guys and shit, but the guys
that lay that foundation for us, they don't get their flowers,
and they deserve it hands down. Like every time I
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see the OG I'm all like, thank you, thank you,
thank you, And like, man, you don't realize the sacrifice
they did for us to make it how easy and
ours was kind of easy. They really got it easy now, Like,
can you imagine.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Playing right now?
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Is the ship that they got right now? Dude, I'm
playing twenty five years easy. Best.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I enjoyed talking to the retired players or older players
because we play how much to them, you know, let
them know that we appreciate and that's why we happy.
Is hell to have you on the podcast, Like when
we see you in the comments, we all like, damn,
you see John Mary Matrix on there, so we all excited, bro,
because we really want to show y'all love, so we
try to get more retired players.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
The older players appreciate that doing with the current players,
but it was a lot more fun.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I respect that, man. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Man.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
It's man.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Especially, like you said, like y'all Phoenix team you especially
like changed the way basketball was playing that time period
because I was the first really team to kind of
go small ball, which I really wasn't small, but obviously
you playing a big position, you could rebound, you could
do everything.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But it made everybody else adjusted that and especially.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
When y'all had it, when y'all had cute Rich, when
y'all had young Joe John come on, man.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
So a lot of people forget that, you know, when
they talk about seven seconds or less and they talk
about the team, they don't even that that first year
it was fucking it was crazy. And but like when
everybody's referencing, I asked him, what year are you talking
about though, because you have to defund it because that
year that we only played together one year that started
in five, So there's so much to go into that,
and there's so many conversations, and I know the media
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gray at creating these narratives and everybody soak it up
and eat it up, like man, But it was there's
so much other shit going behind the scenes and so
many feelings you have in locker room that came on
me to really truly express and understand it, you know,
especially when you got that mindset of what you're trying
to accomplish.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It and you see it there, you know, I think, uh,
you know, uh.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Mental toughness is one of the things that I think
a lot of a lot of guys in this league
right now don't have right now. Like no, listen, we
got some telling of guys in the NBA right now,
and I love the diversity, and I love the magnitude
of some of these guys are the things that they've
been able to do on the floor. But man, this
right here, like that mental toughness to fight through certain
certain things from that court at that time. Man, you
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can see when mental fatigue is a big part of
the game, that people just automatically give in. And that's
the one thing I loved about all the older guys, man,
you know, use whether they were scoring or not, you
just gonna get their hundred percent effort. Though they knew
when they stepped in that court when people played me,
they knew then when they hit to lace their motherfucking
shoes up.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Now they gonna get ran to the fucking gym.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
And it was just that I was gonnabarrass your ass
out here, whether it be just stopping you or I'm
gonna give you thirty points the other end. So that's
the thing that that's the mentality I have because I
you know, I just feel like, like, why are you
not competing?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Though? And I see it.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
That's why that'st of the reason I can't coach. I
know when motherfuckers ain't playing hard, Like I'm coming straight
at your heart though, and it sucks, it eats at me.
I'm like, yo, Dale, you can play harder than that.
We got so many versatile and dynamic players in this
league and in the game, and it's instead of getting there,
it's getting younger and younger. Of course, but like, man,
what happened to just like yo, I'm locking your ass
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up there. We can we can be boys and drink afterwards,
but we get on this court, you ain't.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You're my enemy. Right now. It ain't gonna be no
laughing and joke. I'm gonna bust your motherfucking ass.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Do you feel like social media and like players being
so involved with their brands off the court plays a
big deal into that.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So personally, listen, sometimes I feel like some of the guys.
I'm not saying all the guys.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
There are some, definitely some great players in the NBA
that love and pride themselves in this game and dedicate themselves,
but it's a lot of guys who think about social
media first in the game and everything else come letter.
That's real, like their approaches for social media versus the game,
wrapping to your love and your passion for the game
first and then everything else comes later. That's when you
see it, and you see the certain guys I ain't listen,
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I'm not telling you something that's not obvious.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Is right in your face. It's up there everybody else
to choose they want to see that. Now that's real?
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Is that Phoenix Sun's team though, that y'all that you
played one year with the most talented team you think
you ever played on, because.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Y'all had a motherfucking we was We was tough, but man,
you remember I played them twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. Uh
it was Kyrie Bron j R. Smith, Amon Shepherd, Kevin Love,
I mean, Mike Miller.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Uh, Brendan Haywood. We had we had a will live matrix.
I'm taking that Phoenix team over that squad. So I'm
telling you the depth though. I'm on both teams, so
I understand that show.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Ain't I'm gonna take that Cass team and Bron, Bro,
what were you talking about?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
So you know what though?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
If I'm on that team though, and.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
It depends on if I'm starting or not, if I'm
if I'm in my role transitioning out, okay, yeah, but
if I'm playing, so.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
You locked up, Bron, that's how you kind of.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
I'm on a team though, so no, no, no, So
I'm on that So if I'm if I'm starting, I
started to season off that you're starting to to guard,
which is crazy, but I love it, I respect it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I can do it all.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
No, but if I'm starting on that team, uh, that
that Cleveland team. But if I'm not starting, doing on
my way out? Oh, Phoenix were rocking, We're kicking, were
coming hard.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm hard.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I want to get off there. I want to ask
you one question, bro. Growing up, when I was little,
I used to shoot from down here. How the hell
did your ship stay there? You became grown first of all,
ain't that long? You should get out of pocket, get
on this head. You know what I'm saying. I used
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to be like on the game and never time your shot. Hey,
it's cool, broy, you made it.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Hey, so let me ask you a question. Though they
need two people in the league to shoot the same
I don't know. No, no, you don't.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
So so it's funny because I used to like when
I played though you know what, you know, what's really
really really fucked. When I played, this is really messed up.
They used to pay more attention to my shot than
when I was doing the floor You and him talking
about no, no, no, nobody's no job morants to anybody.
Even so, even look at look at the Splash brothers.
The best shooter is the NBA history right now, don't
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they don't shoot nowhere?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Like?
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Do they?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Not even close.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
So so with that being said, though, when I was like,
when I was playing, this is why a lot of times,
a lot of guys they feel like it could because
everybody was labeling me underrated my whole career. I was
underrated town all this other stuff, and it got to
the point where it was come of eating up and
I'm like, why am I underrated? I'm doing shit out
here at six seven? That most seven for this is
not doing in the league. You ain't getting twenty and
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ten and two blocks and two stills. He's not doing it,
you know. So so so so when I sit here
and you asked me that question, I was like, are
you trying to defer that to something, get someone else
the credit or verse not give me my flowers or no,
no no, we got to figure out no, so doing
that that's what they did, you kid. I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
The form is what it is.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I just know what you're saying. Is it like when
you were younger, you just always.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Shot because no, dude, I just have a lower arts
and everybody else she was two in.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I mean she was one in, just like everybody else.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
That's all good. But we knew you was a killer.
I know you a killer.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I obviously played against you, been a fan for years,
but I was used to just think like damn, because
you know you you mimic people younger, dude, You mimic people.
And I used to just wonder, like, then, what was that, Like,
would you mimic somebody that was when you were younger?
How did it come about?
Speaker 6 (20:15):
No, man, I broke my wrists and fingers everything, but like, no,
it's just natural, dude.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Then I just kept busting everybody ass with it.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Now you're a part of some crazy NBA moments on
those two people prove. First, we're gonna start with that
three All Star game, man, one of the most orgonic
All Star games.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Of all time.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Obviously the West got that win, but how was it
to just be in that environment because that was a
historic moment for the NBA, especially with Jordan's last All
Star games.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Just to be in that moment and to actually get
to play in that moment.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
So I used to work when I was in Vincent's
I used to work Jordan camp, so so I was
in area. We got to it with some footage that
went viral last couple of years during during the COVID
of that pick up run like he had. He had
some amazing pick up runs during his camp. A lot
of people don't know that you know what I'm saying.
And when I tell you, uh, like you you will
she was there. You wish she was there. Everybody who
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went there, who went to his camp came from like
either University of Arizona at the time, North Carolina. Uh,
the Dukes, the big the big time guys who you
know what I'm saying. They were looking forward to trying
to be you know, said Jordan or Team Nike and stuff.
So it was it was truly special. But man, you
know m J Man, Come on, man, we call him
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Black Jesus Baby. You give the best of Jordan at
the runs. No, No, A couple of times I was
on his team, but you know we are like it's
a couple of Hollis and there everybody. But you know,
Jordan takes that shit serious. It Look when he played
pick up dude, he came, We worked out.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Man.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
It wasn't like we come in the ball were come
to work. We're not coming here just to create some content,
you know, to make everybody look good.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Man.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
The ship man, you go on these gyms right now,
you go back and closed gyms and see the runs
that we had to you'd be like, what the hell,
what were doing this? Ain't even nowhere near with the
man to the competition that these guys are playing in
there we do. It was fucking war out there, like
regular season or not. Dude, when we're working out, were
working out.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, I can tell by y'all all Star games speaking
like that start game, y'all playing so so man. We
was watching the highlights the other day before we prepared
for this and like to see how hard y'all was
playing compared to this year.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
I was all over him in their last shot, and like, listen,
there's such things great defense, but such thing is better offense.
I win them situations though, man, Like he literally barely
got that off of my fingers. I was really trying
to his ass up. And you know we still want
Kobe got fouled by jam Hill Neill next point.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Kobe would trying to lose.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Nah.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I respect them, No, we do.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
This is for real, like Papa's like, Yo, Matrix, go
get them man, man, Yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
You like they don't have. They had no sympathy, bro.
He going out let go out on top?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Man, No, no, because he wouldn't let y'all go out
on top.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
He probably wouldn't want to know what they even The
best part of that weekend though, you know the best
part of that weekend Morole Carey singing the national.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Anthem that that Jordan dress. Talk about it, mercy. I
wish she's singing hero to me.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I'll tell you right now, shock boy, it's a little
shaky and everything.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
You're crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
But next moment, man, all four Olympics. Man, that team
that I had a lot of talent.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Obviously we know that out come with that, but how
was that entire experience? You know, I represent the country
and get to play with people in the lead that
you play and represent the country with.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
So you know that was that was That was a
crazy year. There's a lot of ship that went on
a whole lot before we even left the country.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Here.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Man, it was a ship show.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Oh man, it's it's a lot of stuff and a
lot of stuff, a lot of stories that I came
out about certain things, and that ship was cap like,
that's the one thing I don't believe. I ain't gonna
finish here. A lot of you about no boys, they
don't need to. But so we uh, what happened that
first night we get there, We get to Florida, because
we all started in Jacksonville, Florida that year, and we
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was hanging out and I was with Bubba Chuck.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Of course, Oh you know, Bulba.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Chuck go.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Giving that, giving that twelve pack of heindekens, he's good
to go.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
So if y'all know, w Bubba Chuck is ai so
uh so we all partying and getting it in and
then like it was the first call, first practice, and
it was a couple of guys like, I'm not even
from the people on boy, but a couple of guys.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I was like, ship, this is the first day. We
already fucking fucked up already.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
So uh it's me of course, Steph almost on that team,
and Bubba Chuck that was our two backcourt, and then
Richard Jefferson's on that team, Lebron Carmelo, the young guys,
d Wade, all those guys.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
But man, when we left here, we we honestly felt
good about the trip. It started off pretty good. But
then man, Andre Miller and uh and Paul got into it.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Man, damn.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So you think that's going one downhill?
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Man, it was kind of going downhill already and it
was just a it was an interesting mix of guys.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I think it was.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
It was a great talent wise team, but international player
is totally different and a lot of people don't understand it.
And you know, I think the months that you gotta
have when you're playing for your country, it's not the
same as you playing for your team. It's a big difference.
You actually need to elevate. And we were so all
over the board though, man, and uh, you know, I
felt I felt bad for Larry Brown, Pop and all
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them because everybody was young and a mixture of guys
and every guy's some guy's going this way, some guy's
going that way.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
It just I was just like, how were we gonna
make this work?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You know?
Speaker 6 (25:43):
And it's like and it wasn't like every people didn't
really just like each other. It was just more just
like it's just an imbalance, that makes sense. And it
sucked that we fell short. I mean, we finished with
the bronze. No you know what I'm saying. You know
that last game I had to do it be he
man out there, shot out there, had the hell of
the game for us to pull some shit out.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
But yeah, just on the podium, yeah, I was like,
we gotta get out of here with something for sure.
But I mean, listen, everything game as easy as you
think it is, It's not easy for guys to go
play on the national team and you don't play every year.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
That's why they changed the dynamic after that. After that year,
they start getting the guys together for two years at
least two three years together. They have the same cohesiveness.
Because you're playing against teams now where all these guys
have been playing together for ten years. They've been they've
been groomed, they've been groomed to beat us. Let's they
mindset and that they play a game and play a status.
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We don't play. Our NBA game is more of injury
visual sport. When we play overseas. It's fundamentally in simple basketball.
They're not doing all the extra stuff. They just keeping
its simple. They and they, but they know each other.
We know each other from as a competitive standpoint, but
playing with each other it's a it's a it's a
time you got to actually make to each other, and
a trust and knowing.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
What he likes but he doesn't like. And it's so
many levels to it.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Absolutely, and like you say, with that, the way that
they played basketball, and you've played with some of the
best international players ever, you know what I'm saying, playing
with Steve Nash and obviously playing with the one that
did numbers down in this city dirt, their approached to
the game and how they played like and man, I've
been the flashiest, but it was always productive and it
was always buckets.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Was it a lot easier playing with a style of
player like that?
Speaker 6 (27:21):
See, the team was different, my role was different. So
so one of the things I've been able to adjust
to I was just the team I have. I mean,
if you follow me, you know that. So like when
I got here, they need me to do everything that
everybody else gonna do. So so we had a great
shooting team, you know what I'm saying. So, but they
ain't nobody slashing and nobody just locking motherfuckers on the
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defense and be doing the small other things. And and
that's that's how we com froment each other. When they
needed me to score our score, when they need me
to lock somebody up and lock them up, and it's
just oh I didn't need me to facilitate. I was
able to do that as well too. So it just
depends on what we need and who we who we
was playing. And I think that's That's the one thing
about the game at you don't see a lot, you
don't see a lot of everything.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It's assistent.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
The same thing now when you when you see the
real good teams, they're adjusted to different variations.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
On the court. And doing that game, you know those
that was the reason why we was able to win
that championship.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
We knew, we knew, we knew how to hold people accountable,
and we knew how to adjust and we played to
the level of our our apartments. That's how good we were.
Like with't nobody beating us that you don't give a
fuck who we played? Uh, And it's just that sister
Chalon don't get enough credit either. Why was amazing? T
Hy and Brendan the the tannel between t Y and
Brendan Haywood. We had two seven footers that was meeting
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you at the rim, Damn bro And like you know,
Tyson was a lot more verbal and aggressive than Brendan,
but Brendan was out there. He was just he was
sitting there waiting for you to get to the rim.
And like that's the thing. But you got guys locked
up on the perimeter. We locked in me j Shaun
Stevenson j kidd all of us, even Dirt, even Dirt
got his big ass down, was defending you know what
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I'm saying. So like when you when you buy into
that that team concept, that's when you and you and
you challenging Mary, why you elevating each other, That's what
that's what it's about.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
And like you said, I mean the Miami he came
in Big three Super Towers a team.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
But you can tell the difference between the teams of
y'all with the mindset, the mental focus.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Obviously y'all be in vetered. Y'all was locked in.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Wasn't nothing to go, y'all, and you could tell when
they got rid up, y'all was gonna take it like
Jason Terry getting tacked, like come on, Like y'all was
a different level locked in.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Man, listen, man, you go back and I h you don't.
You don't get a lot of time to reflect on
your career while you're playing, because you're living in it.
You're when you get time to really reflect on what
you did in your career and the things that you
did in this game and just look back and like,
holy shit, like it was a hell of run. And
that run right there, Oh my god. D Wade told
us to me after we won a championship. He's like,
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and this, enjoy this moment, but you not don't really
know what you did until about a month later.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
He wasn't lying.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
When all the dust and everything kind of that's calmed
down that summer, you know, I was doing all kind
of parties out here there. But uh, but when that
dust selled down, I got a chense to really reflect
on that run we did, dude, Man, that was a
hell of a fucking run.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
We beat some great teams, great team ship. The most deep.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
The deepest team in the league that year, behind behind
us and Miami was Portland.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Woman had a lick.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
People would be like, listen, do't let me grow on
the Lakers with defending champions.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, but they wasn't as deep as Portland.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Portland had ten guys dude that they that it literally
could be starting on all the teams, you know what
I'm saying. And Brendan roy was Kurt Kirk kind of
hurt at the time, but you still come back. But
he still had one good game that was like, you know,
kave you the flashes of what he could possibly do.
But we just we just kept rising to the challenge. Man,
and it's like, you know, once we got that, we
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was locked in like that. Man, wasn't nobody stopping that ship?
Speaker 4 (30:40):
What was that party?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Like like winning in Miami then going to Live and
spending the big bag?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
So what was that like?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So dude, it was lit.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
You know, I think you know, Live was really kind
of kind of coming back a love at that time
was when we were first really back opening it up
and they was doing Sundays there. I mean, ship, dude,
we got nabbage. We turned it out keeping about that
big ass over extra magnum or whatever, that a thousand
dollars bottle whatever, Like I had two people pouring a
bottle poorn it. Man, Listen, you could just drip that
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whole thing on me and it's all just drinking. And
it was just it was just I felt like it
was just doubtas it took overminded me that night and
we was there, everybody was locked in and it was
like a pause.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Everybody said, you can drimp that big thing on me.
I'm like, I fuck what you made.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
But that was.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I was waiting. So look, we've been scarce metal world
beat up a song.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Hey, I didn't want to fuck up your story, but
I was.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Like, cut the fucking.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Pause, you know what.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I needed a drink, but's gotta be fired. Though, to
win the ship is celebrating somebody else's city as far.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, I snug the NBA championship out right. It was
literally this many people at our party.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
No for any boy, when the kids, I said, there,
I gotta throw my own championship party.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Damn throw a party.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
No.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I couldn't fall back to the brook Lopez walked in
with his jersey on. I said, damn, it's just being
Brooke with no vibes in there for Brooks, with no
vibes for nobody. It was like everybody from the front office.
I was like, nah, I've seen the Dallas Mavericks win
and I seen Sean Mary and getting the drink port
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on them.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Did you know though, at the beginning of the year
that you had a chance though, I mean, I know
you always want to play the win, but.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
So look, every team has aspirations to win championship every
year training camp come.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Every team has that goal that's coming in training camp.
That's the focus.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
But guess what, it's only about handful of those teams
actually gonna speak that into the existence. You know what
I'm saying, Reality in perceptions two different things.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Reality.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Most of these teams know they ain't gonna they ain't
gonna do shit. Now now the parody in the league
now today is totally different. But back then, though, listen,
this is how strong our team was. My cousin's not here.
We're sitting in my living room when I was living
in Preston Hollow at the time, and he was like,
he looked at our roster. He literally looked at our roster.
He was like, it's like, cuz, y're gonna win championship
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this year. Y'all gonna do what y'all need to do.
Y'all win championship. I was like, you know what, shit,
cause you you kind of I believe you're you right,
I'm looking at this motherfucker like, yeah, I'm looking at
our roster because we ain't had training camp yet. So
we got some new guys that, you know, some older
guys who came in. But like, I'm like, you know
what you did, all right, we go out and do
what we need to do. We're gonna win this motherfucker.
So fast forward, training camp starts, we are in Orlando
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playing them for preseason. So D Steve host hosted half
the team at the house and have a barbek with
the crib. He got atm in the.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Liver room and Ship. Yeah, so we there. He got
a guy tattoo.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Guy came over and we grilling and everybody's just chopping
him talking ship and Jeed was like, Yo.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Let me get this.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I'm gonna go and get this motherfucking championship tattoo on
my arm. I'm like what. He's like, yeah, we winning
this bitch this year.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
I was like, oh shit, okay, okay no. So he
literally got chapmanship, chatted on his arm, breaked it in there.
This preseason. We ain't I remember that. I didn't know
I know what that happened. I didn't know that was
pre season. We ain't played one game this season yet.
So I was like, oh shit, we locked in.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Let's do this ship yet. I got you. Let's do this.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
So we come up the gates rolling, you know, we
Korong go down within I think fifteen games. Tough one,
tough one, but like man, we we studied rolling and
everybody just locked in with each other. Man like of course,
you know the season is so long. I think we
finished what third or fourth that year, something like that
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in the Western Conference. And uh, but it didn't matter
who we messed up with. We knew we we had
eighteen game winn the streets that season and you know
we we we.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Was doing it.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
So the West has always been strong like that though
for the most part, for the longest of my career,
we everybody was who made postseason was winning fifty plus games.
So but anyway, we get through the year and we
and we play Portland that first round and man, I
tell you, we was locked in and we looked at
each other's eyes and it was a there was a
filling in the locker room, the whole, the whole, the
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whole dynamic and whole culture in our environment.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
When you walked into that locker room, you knew that
we was on a mission.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
You you got you would have felt that energy and
got that energy. And with galls of all the naysayers
and the media and ship, they kept talking. They picked
port they picked something. They picked Portland win that series.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Ye are the favorites to pick the Lakers to win,
ok okay see to win.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
They picked Miami win everything. I was like, I tell you,
the motherfuckers on no shit about basketball because we beat
the dog shit on everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah I did, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
No facts.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
I got a question for you, and we got a
fan question. They wouldn't know if it's just true or not.
You know what I'm saying. Obviously we know what happened.
You know they got about a phoenix.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Is it true there was a possibility that you could
have went to Boston?
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Yes, oh, okay, yes, So doing that process. Right before
KG went, I was getting calls. So so you know,
this being the NBA, there's a lot of people calling
about accident about people that don't mean they up the trade.
It's part of the business, part of the game. So
like people can call in crob or anything like. And
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they asked him it was calling Boston was calling like crazy,
and uh I was like, uh the ball is They
was like, Boston's calling about to Sean and we ain't
entertaining it.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Don't worry about You're not going anywhere.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
I was like, Okay, that's enough, said, I'm not even
thinking about it, you know, And of course that stuff
end up making the trip on down to you here
and there.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
But like listen, it's part of the business. Get it,
eat it, and then uh, they.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Treated for KG afterwards they figured out the KG they
I guess he agreed to it and that's when he
went and left, but I didn't. I wouldn't like I
would have entertained it, and I had to agree to it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Before the show, we was talking about obviously I don't
I love basketball, but I like to talk about the
other stuff. So we were talking about the cities you
played in, and I was like, Bro, you're a lucky man. Bro,
you playing some fire cities you gouts Phoenix, Miami, Toronto, Dallas,
just to name a few.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Like what was your we in Dallas? On? Neverman? But
what what was your favorite city? Like?
Speaker 6 (37:37):
So so honestly, man, all of them was different phases
of my career, like I was. My mind said, was
totally different every team I went to so uh but
you know what, man, it was it sucked being and
the team was losing.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
But I tell them all the time, So Toronto, you
should have been a rapping my boy. Come on, man,
I was trying to get in Toronto with all my heart, but.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
You didn't want to pay them taxes though I would Texas, man,
Texas is crazy there.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
I was hoping I was on the minimum.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Man. Some see do as a motherfucker boy lord a mercy.
Remember this is right now, the real Matrix. Yeah, how
did you get that nickname though? The Knny Smith? This
is my Kimmy Smith. Yeah, first game ever, preseason? We uh,
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we're playing, so you didn't get a chance of playing
the forum.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
No, I didn't play regular season, but my first year
was a last preseason tournament they had before they closed
it stable season. Staples Center open beginning of the season,
so we in there and they had a tournament preseason tournament.
It was me, it was Phoenix Lakers, of course I
think Sacramento a couple of another team in there.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
So every year he did it.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
So first game ever, preseason, dude, I get a still
block and won all in like.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
A sequence, and Kenny smift' is like, oh my god,
you see that, he's the Matrix.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
And that was it.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
Everywhere I was going, everybody was calling me the Matrix.
And you know, Kenny Smith's always been the guy who
get everybody nicknames, and that's it. I became a household name.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
That's far getting nickname. Those first NBA games I gotta drink.
Oh yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Ain't drink this one, bro, that's on you.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
That's watering that though lightly over there, got over the house.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Big Sean, and I will not be taking no drinks
from yours.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
That's oh no, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Obviously you still watch ball. Uh what young players you say,
you can see like remind you of yourself.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
So you know, uh, you know doing the drift every
year they try to play young game. I'm company guys
to guys that played before them. You know, men, listen,
I don't I don't see nobody out there there.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
See.
Speaker 6 (40:31):
I used to say Kawhi a little bit because he
I feel like he never got tired of the court.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And he plays both enses of floor, you know.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
But uh, you know, I just think, uh I was
a lot more athletic than and jumping and rebounding than
Kawhi is. But you know for this engine effort, you know,
versatile small forward that you know, it's like a little
bit of this, a little bit of that, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
But you know, I just feel like I was, uh
one of a time, man. This is what it is.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Yeah, Like to me, like defensively, you were like Draymond.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
But offensively you were like your own type of person
because you can run picking rolls with the ball, or
you can set them slip out dunk, you can hit
the corner, three, you can shoot, you could attack off
the dribble, So you weren't nobody really played like you
on offense. Now, No, offensively, you were like Draymond because
you can go one through five. I remember when even
when you was in Cleveland, you were switching all the
boss greens.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
So so you know, it's funny we talk about that,
we talk about the versatility defenders and stuff, and I
was like, you know, Draymond, and I think I love
his to nastally, love his energy, love his heart, but
I still think I'm always the way better defender than
he was. And the reason I say that is because
when I had to guard point guard point, when when
I actually guarded you, I guarded you for the whole game.
I didn't it wasn't no, no, no, a few minutes
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here and there or trying to spread somebody.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I guarded.
Speaker 6 (41:47):
I locked in with you guys for the whole game,
and like most guys ain't doing that. So it's easy
for and it's way simpler for guys to do with
every possession and switch. Everybody switched now. But I mean
I can guard somebody for a quarter. It's easy to
do that, and let me guard that guy for the
whole game, though most guys is not doing it. I'm
the only person ever in NBA history to do that.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Only person.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Nobody guard No. One through five, not the whole game.
That's a question. Yeah, obviously, you know what I'm saying.
You guarded some of the best in the league. Who
is some of the people gave you, like the most
trouble so so.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
Early in my career, one of one of my favorite
players was Jamal Masburn. He was a big body, small
forward that can handle the ball and just he was.
He wasn't very athletic, but he was shifty and very
creative of getting his shot off.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Man, he had a you know what I'm saying game
to him that was so smooth man, you know.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Giving me a shout to Jamal man he was one
of my my guys helped me elevated, you know what
I'm saying. But at that time, you know, shoot, all
the small for us was pretty pretty talented.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Time.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I was like guard mellow Melo.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
That's a real still.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
So Carmelo Carlo was tough. I was already three years
in the league. I think I was.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
I think I was three four years in the league
already when he came in. But man, he was, he
was tough because you know, he was he was.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
He was man.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
He was trying to he was trying to score every
time he got the ball. Man like he ain't he
ain't believe in passing the rock. So you know, once
you got him, like, man, yo, we didn't go at
it for sure.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Well, I think we should be talking about Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Right ship, you know you're talking about Yeah, go ahead,
I think you should be a Hall of Famer, Like
with all the accolades you got, all the things you
did playing basketball, like from college on, I think you
got a Hall of Fame career of me personally.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
And shout out to the Phinney sounds retired and number.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
You know what I'm saying, that's that's what's up. That's
what's that's the start.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
You know, man, you know, I've been having this conversation
people asking me that a lot, and I thank you
because you know, at the end of the day, but
you're not the ones, you know, the ones who's picking.
So like, a lot of things are not in your control,
but one of the things that y'are. And we all
cogree that though when you when you when you earn something,
you feel like you should get that reward, right versus
(44:11):
it's like nobody going somebody come in here, y'all doing
the job, and I'm gonna pay you when I feel
like it. That's the mentality was sometimes when things go
on and you know, one of the things, I've been
truly blessed, man, I take noneing for granted. I'm able
to do things that a lot of people will never
get the chance to do. You know, I'm seeing the
world and I don't take noneing for granted.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
And like.
Speaker 6 (44:33):
I'm okay, I know what I did to this game.
You know what I'm saying. I know, I know exactly
what I'm punting. I left on this game, and who
I am. You know, I'm comfortable, man, And that's it.
A lot of a lot of that I can't control
with nobody else too. I only can control myself.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
So that your peers know that she was one of
them guys, man, So I wouldn't be surprised down the road.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
It happened for you, but your peers definitely know you, and.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Most importantly we know too, no doubt for show for show.
And on that note, we will get about of here.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Matrix. Appreciate you. Slide on this big.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Guy, love love Max the noise one time hen see arena.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yeah yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Before we get up out of here, were gonna have
a couple questions from the crowd.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Ain't working, Mike check Questions from the crowd.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Questions, questions, Hey, Sean, Mary, who is the hardest person
you had the guard in the NBA?
Speaker 6 (45:34):
The hardest person I ever had a guard in the
NBA was probably Shock No, no, no, seriously no, but
anybody who uh, anybody who was who's gonna be that?
Who was the mean guy who actually was a tough
guard man. It's just about me preparing and trying to
make it hard for him, hey Sean. Uh, when it
(45:54):
comes to free agency, is there when you're talking to
your agent, is there like a minimum.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
You will take or it's pretty mu up to you
what you want to do.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
So so so look, I was never officially a free agent.
So when I came, when I came to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
I was.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
I was signed. It was a sign, sign and seal deal,
so I was under contract currently. It was a sign
and trade, so I couldn't. I didn't actually go out
and test the market. That's one thing I never did.
So everywhere I went, I typically was under contract. The
last year that I went and played in Cleveland do
it was between Cleveland and Indiana, And that's a year
Paul George broke his league and they needed they had
(46:30):
a they had a player exemption. They was gonna give
me whatever that was. I think it was five or
six million dollars or whatever. But at that at that
point in my career, I wanted to play for a
championship and I was like, withn't going up body unless
I saw myself being in position to win another championship
before I retire. And that's why the reason I went
to Cleveland. But free agency, man, Listen, it's a different
different it's a different thing.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
You know.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
I didn't get a chance to really experience it like
a lot of guys did. But listen, I knew I
was coming here. Jay Kidd, Jeff Dirk, Cuban, all of
them called me like, yo, you you're that final piece,
we need to win a championship, and it was like, Yo,
we're gonna make this happen. I was like, hey, because
at the time Cuban and my my man, my my
agent Dan Fakan were really good friends. So it's all
(47:13):
a great, a great scenario and they I got a
phone call like the soon as I became rephraging, like no,
you can trade it. Sign trade because Brian Klangeol was
a GM at the Raptists at the time, so that
was my guy from Phoenix. So it was just it's
just all worked out and signed trade five year deal
from the Dallas frevs Shoes A hoo band oh man
(47:38):
of So it was probably my pe shocks M hmm,
yeah they are. They're pretty dope. Uh yeah, yeah, they
my pe shot.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
I had some.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
I have variations of shocks and uh I had some.
Definitely some players that was pretty dog.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
The piggy back off of what es said.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
You know you're a dog.
Speaker 9 (48:06):
You could drop a dog off of any fight you're
gonna battle. Two part question, who is somebody you you
didn't play with, but you could take it. You know
you would take the war with anybody. You know, you
take them to war, any war, and somebody you didn't
play with. Who's two people that you would take the
war with? So who the people I took? Okay, the
first one is the people I will want to go
a world with right now? Oh shit, I mean I
(48:28):
would running back with the team we wanted in twenty eleven.
I mean, oh, I mean, listen, you know it's funny.
I came in with J Kid and Penny hardway back
for two thousand Phoenix, So listen, those two are special guys, man,
you know, and listen, I it wasn't it was it
was meant to me and J Kidd to reunite. Dude, like, seriously,
(48:51):
though we are playing with JA Kidd. He elevated me early.
Speaker 6 (48:56):
And told me to do things on the floor without
like and just gave me the gave me the green
light when I when I came in my rookie season,
he was like, you got it go. And we we
only played two years together in Phoenix earlier. Then we
came back here and won that championship and it was
dope only on the person I probably would love to
play with that I didn't get to play with too. Man,
(49:17):
I actually had a chance to do it, but they
didn't have no money. It was Lakers Kobe, So of
course m J was already going out the league when
I came in. You know, he was on his way out.
Uh but uh with Kobe though, So it was it
was a situation there that it was. It could have
it could have blossomed into something, but it justn' it
just didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
That's good, big dog. Hey, who gave you that? Welcome
to the NBA moment? Oh Mookie Blaylock, Atlanta legend.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Mookie Blaylock.
Speaker 6 (49:49):
If y'all don't know who he was, he was a
hell of a point guard man, and I ain't gonna
I ain't gonna lie to this ship was so crazy.
So I got the ball, I'm drimming down the court right,
and everybody was talking about how quicks his hands were,
Pauls so you know, so like I'm literally driven, I'm
(50:12):
thinking I'm about to lay it up, right, he didn't
already stole that bit from me, And.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I was like, yo, did he just do that? But like, yeah,
his hands was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Clap it up, y'all.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
For the Club five twenty podcast The Matrix, Sean Marion
Dallas Mavericks leavinging champion. Also beat out to Jeff T,
DJ Wells, Bishop be Hen, You don't gotta leave.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Plenty of drinks, plenty of food.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Mix it mingle, clap it up one more time here
to see a.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Ring in the trick with deep appreciate Sean for coming
out for real.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Thank you. Love that
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
For Jeft DJ Wells.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Clap it up for DJ Wells, Bishop b Hening and
NBA champion Dallas Mavericks legend the Matrix Sean Marry and
clap it up for him.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Let's go, Hey and boy, you and tru like that.
You need to come on this.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Podcast going crazy. He started sweating after the turn up.
You know what it is Club five twenty week in
Dallas with it this weekend?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
How y'all wore man.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
Were from me Tonapolis, Indiana's three one seven day around
our way we grabbed you know what I'm saying. Happy
to be out here with y'all, cele braton doing it
in with hen see Arena Walmo again. But like I said,
it's Club five twenty podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I'm the host.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
My name is DJ Wells. We got a legend to
my left. Special guests. You're gonna introduce my man's last
ones to my far left.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
My dog Bishop be hearing out the Burley's green leaf.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
How you are nasty? Nasty? What's up? Dallas wasn't near
every bad Let's go, yeah, a little matrix. I know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
I know your full game crazy, but have you ever
seen the black forces with the white laces.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
That's how he was in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
That's how he wouldn't you know.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
No, I ain't never seen those, but it's they cleaned all.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Like out the gate now is clean.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Yeah, hey, you know the black air forms went nasty.
But you know everybody that's penitentiary chances right here, Hey,
criminal Bob, he.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Might not rob you, but he might scam you with
the white las You know what I'm saying, My man,
my bad.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
But to my right, my dog, young young team, how
you would man?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And I'm cooling bro in Dallas has been a good time.
The Bobs was right. Hennessy got me right, y'all know
how I get when I get that Hennessy, I get
to sweat a little bit about bag of food in here.
I don't do too much trying to renew this contract.
But to my left, we got a legend, legend, legend legend.
Y'all don't even notice. He's from the Midwest though, Yeah,
(02:00):
from the Midwest. But he made big noise down here
in the city Dallas.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Put a banner up. We got the matrix shine Mary
in the building. Appreciate you pulling up, big dog.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
Yeah, I'm excited because I know y'all got some shit
for me.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh yeah, we definitely got a lot to talk about it.
But first, you know what I'm saying, we always talked
with the fullwear game. People who don't know this is
sleep but you're a legend, especially with the footwear game
and the Jordan pees.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
How did that come about?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So look, you know it's an interesting story.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
So everybody me calling me about them damn shoes too
though that Joe was like I need a pair of those,
and everybody, I'm like, yo, I didn't even have a
pair when everybody was asking me for a pair. Because
during my uh, I think it's my third year and
I almost basically became a free agent shoe so like
I was a shoe hall. So everybody was sending me kicks,
and uh, I was gonna go with Jordan. A lot
of people don't know this. I was gonna sign with
(02:50):
Jordan initially, but Jordan's like, tricks, I give you no money.
I was like, what, you would just give me the brand,
you know what I'm saying, the shoes and stuff and
everything in the Jordan umbrella. But I was like, shit,
if I'm in the Nike I'm getting it anyway, right,
He's like, yeah, it's I was like, and they gonna
pay me.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So I was like, I'm going there. I'm going Team Nike.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Now I get that shape.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah. But he made me.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
He was making me.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
He was sending me Jeordians throughout the year when I
was deciding on what team I want brand I want
to go with. So he ended up sending me a
shipment of the PE five's and they got lumped in
with everything else. And what happened was during that process,
I was getting so many shoes and I was wearing
I was wearing twelves a lot at the time. So
(03:39):
they came the customers came in, but I never received
them because I was wearing a new pair of shoes
every game. So with so many that came in, they
got lumped in. And then I was moving around and
doing so much and went to Nike and they they
had made me a custom pair of Pees, but PJ.
Tucker got them because he went into the vault. So
a lot of teams don't people don't notice. A lot
of teams have a locker room full of just shoes
(04:01):
and all the guys played through.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Now, typically if you if.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
You're with whoever brand you are, they sing you some
shoes home with you doing the summertime, you know, but
they always keep a stock for you, you know what
I'm saying, if you with the long ten year old guy.
So they got lumped in. He went through there rummaging
and found two pair. Of course he did so, so
it was even better than that. Though it's fucked up
because he got him out, so I never got him.
(04:25):
So so now now hold on, I never received them.
But I do have a locker here at my house
that I haven't really been through all the sneakers, so
I could have some at the house, but dude, I
ain't trying to go in that mess right now.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So but I don't have none.
Speaker 6 (04:39):
But then now you hit a few pair at the
facility this summer booker was there working out, went to
the campus, you know, finishing up his funnel stuff for
his shoe, and he found a pair in the locker room,
you know, in the Nike locker, and you know, we
were the same side of shoes. So he grabbed him
and then he worked out with him and posted to
send me a video been working out of him in
(05:00):
LA And then I was like, yo, how you got here?
And I still ain't got here yet. So then he
was like okay whatever. So then he was like yo,
of course he wanted me to be in his Nike
commercials that came out and then end up wearing them
the night of the Jersey retirement he won. He don't
even want them twice and then he gave him to
me because I don't have a pair as I know
of right now. So that's the only pair I have
(05:21):
that he gave to me because he got him from
Nike this summer.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's crazy.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
I want to ask you, how in the hell did
you end up at Vincent's university?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Bro We from Indiana, Trail Blazer's baby all day.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
So, so when I was coming out of high school,
right you know, me and my boys talking about yesterday
and like I didn't pass the ACT score back then.
You remember it was ACT n SAT. So I was
one point short. I had a GPA, I had like
a beat. I was always been a smart so I
just for one point, I missed one big part on
that test. I was one point short, and I didn't
(05:54):
want to wait another another another half a year to
take the test again. So I decided. I was like,
fuck it, I'm I'm want to I need to get
out of here. I need to go play ball. So
then I visited Vinceon's now visits in Northwest Mississippi junior colleges,
and I was like, Let'm gonna go. Once I went
to VU, the campus, it was it was a no brainer,
and the coach was like, yo, whatever you need and
(06:16):
whatever you want you got here.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So locked in and that was. That was two of
my best years I've ever had.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Playing though, when we did everything and they lived a
red carpet out for me, it was dope for sure.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
We used to go down there and party and I
used to see your name on the bedroom. I'm like,
ain't no fucking way.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Listen, listen part I'm married from thirty eighth.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Gotta be from the ghetto, man. You know this has
got so much history though, you know, Yeah, legends went
through there. Bob mcadeal, Eric Williams and Tyrone Nasby, some guys,
lot of guys that played the pro. They had great
careers there. You know, I think I was the best one,
but you know, by far, it is what it is.
You know, I don't I'm a spacfectual. Guy.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I don't lie me too.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, come on, it was all conference two years in
a row. Baby, Oh yeah yeah male. Soon after the
year as well too, though a lot of studying the
Vince Hands up. He didn't know about the Vince hands
parties legendary.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh they were.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
I ain't gonna even lie to. They did some shipped
there that a lot of the Division one schools don't do.
It was it was some dope walky talkie type ship.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
You know, they got looking at.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Walking.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
They got they got the walking talking here, so they
gotta look out guys.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Man, it was it was late.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Tell them about when you went to didy House. Oh shine,
no entertained. That's what other podcast.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
We ain't at the cruise.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I was gonna say something.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
On this chill sorry, Oh my god, they got a
different walking talking to that party.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Don't do that. This is about Mary.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I don't want to after this.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Back back.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
But obviously you transfer to UNLV. How was that process like?
Because I know everybody in the world wanted you coming
out as a ju call American. Obviously the way you played.
You went to the school that really fit the way
you played basketball.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
So look, so my dream school was North Carolina. Dude,
I was gonna be a tar Hill. I was like,
that's all I fucked with in MJ Man, you know
more than I say, so I was. Actually, they had
one scholarship available and Bob mcadoo's only guy that came
from North Carolina. They recruited from Jimmy College. So Dean Smith,
that's one guy. Ever, so I was gonna be the
second guy. Dean Smith told me, henna have a scholarship available.
(08:35):
It's a crazy story too. He had because he had
one scholarship become available and it's yours if you wanted.
My coach came to me was like, Yo, it's yours
if you want it. I was like, for real, Oh shit,
I don't say no more, say less. So get through
the year. Some shit happened or whatever, and I guess
he ended up getting sick or whatever he had to retire.
(08:56):
So that kind of put that on hold because I
wanted to go play for Dean Smith. You know what
I'm saying. That's the legend of myth, the all the
history everything there, So I want to go play with him.
And then it just didn't happened. So I was like Okay,
now I'm not going North Carolina, so now I need
to go somewhere warm. Beating this dem code. That's so
in the end, that was a motherfucker being their crib. Yeah,
it was different beasts down there. So I put all
(09:19):
my energy towards the West Coast. So I was like,
you know, USC was hounding me UNLV. So I went
and visited both of those places, and I was like,
I felt more comfortable, more at home with the rebels.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Man.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
And uh, you know my guy, coach Glenn Sippery and
my guy man, it's my guy to this day.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Man.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
You know, he was like, yo, come down here' gonna
take care of you. So hey, I went out there and.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
What do you mean that? Huh? Oh I got back Okay,
just making sure stop playing that game.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It wasn't legal then, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Oh was it Vegas? It was legal.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Everything goes out there. You know the stories you hear
about the rebels back in the day.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
With that ship was true.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
All that ship with Stacey. Doc had his own business.
Them guys used to walk in the mall. He used
to give them bags and anything they going. Man, it
was real that man Vegas is one stop shop.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Kid.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Everything goes out there, man, and uh I loved it
out there. It was one. It was just one, one
step in phase onto the next one.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
You should never went to way you should have with
the U n LV, I'm a chip.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
You got a legendary Vegas story. We gonna relax for
the company, y'all. On to the ninety nine NBA draft.
With the night ninety nine draft, I was this man
going to the league. How was that process? I mean
it was dream from true.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I think you know, when you when you set out
to do certain things and being exposed to being around
guys in the league and stuff like like young games man,
you create the appetite and a lot of people don't
have a lot of drive. You know, it takes it
takes a lot of sacrifice and a lot of a
lot of discipline to be successful at this game.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I don't think people really to.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Understand that, like a lot of people, takes a lot
of things for granted, you know, I've been truly blessed
to play this game a long time and give it.
I think what the identity I was a big part
of what the identity of the league is right now,
if you know anything about basketball.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
That's that's just is what it is.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
First, got to go small to make a team, transition
to playing gods out of normal positions. So well, but
my mindset, it's totally. Man, I'm a a dog, you know. Uh,
you know one of the things I prided myself though.
When I step on that floor, you just gonna get
it every every auncing energy and every effort you can
possibly get from me. And if you don't anything about
the game, you know I did that. I'm retired. I
(11:33):
can do what the hell they put the plan in
front of her. I'm grown, I'm retired.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Ship.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
They're resourceful, man, I enjoy life, creative, I enjoyment.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
You rejoin retirement right now.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Clout with these dudes every day.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Man, it's fun man, and I get to go on
Hennessy tours and enjoy new people and experious new things.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Is all good.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
No, I'm serious, Like when I when I when I
ask that question, I mean like you're saying that. But
like a lot of people don't enjoy it. Like the
transition for most guys, it's harder than you think.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
No, it was.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
The first week was hard, and then after week two
we did a podcast, I was straight, oh, okay, okay,
got something to feel that void already.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
No, But like you, I'm the vice president of Retired
Player Association, So I'm gonna shout out to all my
OG's that paid the way for us, because I think
they don't get enough attention and enough flowers because we
don't talk about them. I know, everybody is more call
up and the more current and what's going on right
now with the current guys and shit, but the guys
that lay that foundation for us, they don't get their flowers,
and they deserve it hands down. Like every time I
(12:34):
see the OG I'm all like, thank you, thank you,
thank you, And like, man, you don't realize the sacrifice
they did for us to make it how easy and
ours was kind of easy. They really got it easy now, Like,
can you imagine.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Playing right now?
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Is the ship that they got right now? Dude, I'm
playing twenty five years easy. Best.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I enjoyed talking to the retired players or older players
because we play how much to them, you know, let
them know that we appreciate and that's why we happy.
Is hell to have you on the podcast, Like when
we see you in the comments, we all like, damn,
you see John Mary Matrix on there, so we all excited, bro,
because we really want to show y'all love, so we
try to get more retired players.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
The older players appreciate that doing with the current players,
but it was a lot more fun.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I respect that, man. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Man.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
It's man.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Especially, like you said, like y'all Phoenix team you especially
like changed the way basketball was playing that time period
because I was the first really team to kind of
go small ball, which I really wasn't small, but obviously
you playing a big position, you could rebound, you could
do everything.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But it made everybody else adjusted that and especially.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
When y'all had it, when y'all had cute Rich, when
y'all had young Joe John come on, man.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
So a lot of people forget that, you know, when
they talk about seven seconds or less and they talk
about the team, they don't even that that first year
it was fucking it was crazy. And but like when
everybody's referencing, I asked him, what year are you talking
about though, because you have to defund it because that
year that we only played together one year that started
in five, So there's so much to go into that,
and there's so many conversations, and I know the media
(14:04):
gray at creating these narratives and everybody soak it up
and eat it up, like man, But it was there's
so much other shit going behind the scenes and so
many feelings you have in locker room that came on
me to really truly express and understand it, you know,
especially when you got that mindset of what you're trying
to accomplish.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It and you see it there, you know, I think, uh,
you know, uh.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
Mental toughness is one of the things that I think
a lot of a lot of guys in this league
right now don't have right now. Like no, listen, we
got some telling of guys in the NBA right now,
and I love the diversity, and I love the magnitude
of some of these guys are the things that they've
been able to do on the floor. But man, this
right here, like that mental toughness to fight through certain
certain things from that court at that time. Man, you
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can see when mental fatigue is a big part of
the game, that people just automatically give in. And that's
the one thing I loved about all the older guys, man,
you know, use whether they were scoring or not, you
just gonna get their hundred percent effort. Though they knew
when they stepped in that court when people played me,
they knew then when they hit to lace their motherfucking
shoes up.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Now they gonna get ran to the fucking gym.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
And it was just that I was gonnabarrass your ass
out here, whether it be just stopping you or I'm
gonna give you thirty points the other end. So that's
the thing that that's the mentality I have because I
you know, I just feel like, like, why are you
not competing?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Though? And I see it.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
That's why that'st of the reason I can't coach. I
know when motherfuckers ain't playing hard, Like I'm coming straight
at your heart though, and it sucks, it eats at me.
I'm like, yo, Dale, you can play harder than that.
We got so many versatile and dynamic players in this
league and in the game, and it's instead of getting there,
it's getting younger and younger. Of course, but like, man,
what happened to just like yo, I'm locking your ass
(15:38):
up there. We can we can be boys and drink afterwards,
but we get on this court, you ain't.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You're my enemy. Right now. It ain't gonna be no
laughing and joke. I'm gonna bust your motherfucking ass.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Do you feel like social media and like players being
so involved with their brands off the court plays a
big deal into that.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So personally, listen, sometimes I feel like some of the guys.
I'm not saying all the guys.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
There are some, definitely some great players in the NBA
that love and pride themselves in this game and dedicate themselves,
but it's a lot of guys who think about social
media first in the game and everything else come letter.
That's real, like their approaches for social media versus the game,
wrapping to your love and your passion for the game
first and then everything else comes later. That's when you
see it, and you see the certain guys I ain't listen,
(16:22):
I'm not telling you something that's not obvious.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Is right in your face. It's up there everybody else
to choose they want to see that. Now that's real?
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Is that Phoenix Sun's team though, that y'all that you
played one year with the most talented team you think
you ever played on, because.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Y'all had a motherfucking we was We was tough, but man,
you remember I played them twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. Uh
it was Kyrie Bron j R. Smith, Amon Shepherd, Kevin Love,
I mean, Mike Miller.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Uh, Brendan Haywood. We had we had a will live matrix.
I'm taking that Phoenix team over that squad. So I'm
telling you the depth though. I'm on both teams, so
I understand that show.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Ain't I'm gonna take that Cass team and Bron, Bro,
what were you talking about?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
So you know what though?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
If I'm on that team though, and.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
It depends on if I'm starting or not, if I'm
if I'm in my role transitioning out, okay, yeah, but
if I'm playing, so.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
You locked up, Bron, that's how you kind of.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
I'm on a team though, so no, no, no, So
I'm on that So if I'm if I'm starting, I
started to season off that you're starting to to guard,
which is crazy, but I love it, I respect it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I can do it all.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
No, but if I'm starting on that team, uh, that
that Cleveland team. But if I'm not starting, doing on
my way out? Oh, Phoenix were rocking, We're kicking, were
coming hard.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I'm hard.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I want to get off there. I want to ask
you one question, bro. Growing up, when I was little,
I used to shoot from down here. How the hell
did your ship stay there? You became grown first of all,
ain't that long? You should get out of pocket, get
on this head. You know what I'm saying. I used
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to be like on the game and never time your shot. Hey,
it's cool, broy, you made it.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Hey, so let me ask you a question. Though they
need two people in the league to shoot the same
I don't know. No, no, you don't.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
So so it's funny because I used to like when
I played though you know what, you know, what's really
really really fucked. When I played, this is really messed up.
They used to pay more attention to my shot than
when I was doing the floor You and him talking
about no, no, no, nobody's no job morants to anybody.
Even so, even look at look at the Splash brothers.
The best shooter is the NBA history right now, don't
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they don't shoot nowhere?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Like?
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Do they?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Not even close.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
So so with that being said, though, when I was like,
when I was playing, this is why a lot of times,
a lot of guys they feel like it could because
everybody was labeling me underrated my whole career. I was
underrated town all this other stuff, and it got to
the point where it was come of eating up and
I'm like, why am I underrated? I'm doing shit out
here at six seven? That most seven for this is
not doing in the league. You ain't getting twenty and
(19:23):
ten and two blocks and two stills. He's not doing it,
you know. So so so so when I sit here
and you asked me that question, I was like, are
you trying to defer that to something, get someone else
the credit or verse not give me my flowers or no,
no no, we got to figure out no, so doing
that that's what they did, you kid. I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
The form is what it is.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I just know what you're saying. Is it like when
you were younger, you just always.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Shot because no, dude, I just have a lower arts
and everybody else she was two in.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I mean she was one in, just like everybody else.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
That's all good. But we knew you was a killer.
I know you a killer.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I obviously played against you, been a fan for years,
but I was used to just think like damn, because
you know you you mimic people younger, dude, You mimic people.
And I used to just wonder, like, then, what was that, Like,
would you mimic somebody that was when you were younger?
How did it come about?
Speaker 6 (20:15):
No, man, I broke my wrists and fingers everything, but like, no,
it's just natural, dude.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Then I just kept busting everybody ass with it.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Now you're a part of some crazy NBA moments on
those two people prove. First, we're gonna start with that
three All Star game, man, one of the most orgonic
All Star games.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Of all time.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Obviously the West got that win, but how was it
to just be in that environment because that was a
historic moment for the NBA, especially with Jordan's last All
Star games.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Just to be in that moment and to actually get
to play in that moment.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
So I used to work when I was in Vincent's
I used to work Jordan camp, so so I was
in area. We got to it with some footage that
went viral last couple of years during during the COVID
of that pick up run like he had. He had
some amazing pick up runs during his camp. A lot
of people don't know that you know what I'm saying.
And when I tell you, uh, like you you will
she was there. You wish she was there. Everybody who
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went there, who went to his camp came from like
either University of Arizona at the time, North Carolina. Uh,
the Dukes, the big the big time guys who you
know what I'm saying. They were looking forward to trying
to be you know, said Jordan or Team Nike and stuff.
So it was it was truly special. But man, you
know m J Man, Come on, man, we call him
(21:26):
Black Jesus Baby. You give the best of Jordan at
the runs. No, No, A couple of times I was
on his team, but you know we are like it's
a couple of Hollis and there everybody. But you know,
Jordan takes that shit serious. It Look when he played
pick up dude, he came, We worked out.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Man.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
It wasn't like we come in the ball were come
to work. We're not coming here just to create some content,
you know, to make everybody look good.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Man.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
The ship man, you go on these gyms right now,
you go back and closed gyms and see the runs
that we had to you'd be like, what the hell,
what were doing this? Ain't even nowhere near with the
man to the competition that these guys are playing in
there we do. It was fucking war out there, like
regular season or not. Dude, when we're working out, were
working out.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, I can tell by y'all all Star games speaking
like that start game, y'all playing so so man. We
was watching the highlights the other day before we prepared
for this and like to see how hard y'all was
playing compared to this year.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
I was all over him in their last shot, and like, listen,
there's such things great defense, but such thing is better offense.
I win them situations though, man, Like he literally barely
got that off of my fingers. I was really trying
to his ass up. And you know we still want
Kobe got fouled by jam Hill Neill next point.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Kobe would trying to lose.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Nah.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I respect them, No, we do.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
This is for real, like Papa's like, Yo, Matrix, go
get them man, man, Yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
You like they don't have. They had no sympathy, bro.
He going out let go out on top?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Man, No, no, because he wouldn't let y'all go out
on top.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
He probably wouldn't want to know what they even The
best part of that weekend though, you know the best
part of that weekend Morole Carey singing the national.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Anthem that that Jordan dress. Talk about it, mercy. I
wish she's singing hero to me.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I'll tell you right now, shock boy, it's a little
shaky and everything.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
You're crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
But next moment, man, all four Olympics. Man, that team
that I had a lot of talent.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Obviously we know that out come with that, but how
was that entire experience? You know, I represent the country
and get to play with people in the lead that
you play and represent the country with.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
So you know that was that was That was a
crazy year. There's a lot of ship that went on
a whole lot before we even left the country.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Here.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Man, it was a ship show.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Oh man, it's it's a lot of stuff and a
lot of stuff, a lot of stories that I came
out about certain things, and that ship was cap like,
that's the one thing I don't believe. I ain't gonna
finish here. A lot of you about no boys, they
don't need to. But so we uh, what happened that
first night we get there, We get to Florida, because
we all started in Jacksonville, Florida that year, and we
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was hanging out and I was with Bubba Chuck.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Of course, Oh you know, Bulba.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Chuck go.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Giving that, giving that twelve pack of heindekens, he's good
to go.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
So if y'all know, w Bubba Chuck is ai so
uh so we all partying and getting it in and
then like it was the first call, first practice, and
it was a couple of guys like, I'm not even
from the people on boy, but a couple of guys.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I was like, ship, this is the first day. We
already fucking fucked up already.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
So uh it's me of course, Steph almost on that team,
and Bubba Chuck that was our two backcourt, and then
Richard Jefferson's on that team, Lebron Carmelo, the young guys,
d Wade, all those guys.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
But man, when we left here, we we honestly felt
good about the trip. It started off pretty good. But
then man, Andre Miller and uh and Paul got into it.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Man, damn.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So you think that's going one downhill?
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Man, it was kind of going downhill already and it
was just a it was an interesting mix of guys.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I think it was.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
It was a great talent wise team, but international player
is totally different and a lot of people don't understand it.
And you know, I think the months that you gotta
have when you're playing for your country, it's not the
same as you playing for your team. It's a big difference.
You actually need to elevate. And we were so all
over the board though, man, and uh, you know, I
felt I felt bad for Larry Brown, Pop and all
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them because everybody was young and a mixture of guys
and every guy's some guy's going this way, some guy's
going that way.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
It just I was just like, how were we gonna
make this work?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You know?
Speaker 6 (25:43):
And it's like and it wasn't like every people didn't
really just like each other. It was just more just
like it's just an imbalance, that makes sense. And it
sucked that we fell short. I mean, we finished with
the bronze. No you know what I'm saying. You know
that last game I had to do it be he
man out there, shot out there, had the hell of
the game for us to pull some shit out.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
But yeah, just on the podium, yeah, I was like,
we gotta get out of here with something for sure.
But I mean, listen, everything game as easy as you
think it is, It's not easy for guys to go
play on the national team and you don't play every year.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
That's why they changed the dynamic after that. After that year,
they start getting the guys together for two years at
least two three years together. They have the same cohesiveness.
Because you're playing against teams now where all these guys
have been playing together for ten years. They've been they've
been groomed, they've been groomed to beat us. Let's they
mindset and that they play a game and play a status.
(26:34):
We don't play. Our NBA game is more of injury
visual sport. When we play overseas. It's fundamentally in simple basketball.
They're not doing all the extra stuff. They just keeping
its simple. They and they, but they know each other.
We know each other from as a competitive standpoint, but
playing with each other it's a it's a it's a
time you got to actually make to each other, and
a trust and knowing.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
What he likes but he doesn't like. And it's so
many levels to it.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Absolutely, and like you say, with that, the way that
they played basketball, and you've played with some of the
best international players ever, you know what I'm saying, playing
with Steve Nash and obviously playing with the one that
did numbers down in this city dirt, their approached to
the game and how they played like and man, I've
been the flashiest, but it was always productive and it
was always buckets.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Was it a lot easier playing with a style of
player like that?
Speaker 6 (27:21):
See, the team was different, my role was different. So
so one of the things I've been able to adjust
to I was just the team I have. I mean,
if you follow me, you know that. So like when
I got here, they need me to do everything that
everybody else gonna do. So so we had a great
shooting team, you know what I'm saying. So, but they
ain't nobody slashing and nobody just locking motherfuckers on the
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defense and be doing the small other things. And and
that's that's how we com froment each other. When they
needed me to score our score, when they need me
to lock somebody up and lock them up, and it's
just oh I didn't need me to facilitate. I was
able to do that as well too. So it just
depends on what we need and who we who we
was playing. And I think that's That's the one thing
about the game at you don't see a lot, you
don't see a lot of everything.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It's assistent.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
The same thing now when you when you see the
real good teams, they're adjusted to different variations.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
On the court. And doing that game, you know those
that was the reason why we was able to win
that championship.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
We knew, we knew, we knew how to hold people accountable,
and we knew how to adjust and we played to
the level of our our apartments. That's how good we were.
Like with't nobody beating us that you don't give a
fuck who we played? Uh, And it's just that sister
Chalon don't get enough credit either. Why was amazing? T
Hy and Brendan the the tannel between t Y and
Brendan Haywood. We had two seven footers that was meeting
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you at the rim, Damn bro And like you know,
Tyson was a lot more verbal and aggressive than Brendan,
but Brendan was out there. He was just he was
sitting there waiting for you to get to the rim.
And like that's the thing. But you got guys locked
up on the perimeter. We locked in me j Shaun
Stevenson j kidd all of us, even Dirt, even Dirt
got his big ass down, was defending you know what
(28:54):
I'm saying. So like when you when you buy into
that that team concept, that's when you and you and
you challenging Mary, why you elevating each other, That's what
that's what it's about.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
And like you said, I mean the Miami he came
in Big three Super Towers a team.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
But you can tell the difference between the teams of
y'all with the mindset, the mental focus.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Obviously y'all be in vetered. Y'all was locked in.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Wasn't nothing to go, y'all, and you could tell when
they got rid up, y'all was gonna take it like
Jason Terry getting tacked, like come on, Like y'all was
a different level locked in.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Man, listen, man, you go back and I h you don't.
You don't get a lot of time to reflect on
your career while you're playing, because you're living in it.
You're when you get time to really reflect on what
you did in your career and the things that you
did in this game and just look back and like,
holy shit, like it was a hell of run. And
that run right there, Oh my god. D Wade told
us to me after we won a championship. He's like,
(29:43):
and this, enjoy this moment, but you not don't really
know what you did until about a month later.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
He wasn't lying.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
When all the dust and everything kind of that's calmed
down that summer, you know, I was doing all kind
of parties out here there. But uh, but when that
dust selled down, I got a chense to really reflect
on that run we did, dude, Man, that was a
hell of a fucking run.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
We beat some great teams, great team ship. The most deep.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
The deepest team in the league that year, behind behind
us and Miami was Portland.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Woman had a lick.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
People would be like, listen, do't let me grow on
the Lakers with defending champions.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, but they wasn't as deep as Portland.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Portland had ten guys dude that they that it literally
could be starting on all the teams, you know what
I'm saying. And Brendan roy was Kurt Kirk kind of
hurt at the time, but you still come back. But
he still had one good game that was like, you know,
kave you the flashes of what he could possibly do.
But we just we just kept rising to the challenge. Man,
and it's like, you know, once we got that, we
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was locked in like that. Man, wasn't nobody stopping that ship?
Speaker 4 (30:40):
What was that party?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Like like winning in Miami then going to Live and
spending the big bag?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
So what was that like?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So dude, it was lit.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
You know, I think you know, Live was really kind
of kind of coming back a love at that time
was when we were first really back opening it up
and they was doing Sundays there. I mean, ship, dude,
we got nabbage. We turned it out keeping about that
big ass over extra magnum or whatever, that a thousand
dollars bottle whatever, Like I had two people pouring a
bottle poorn it. Man, Listen, you could just drip that
(31:14):
whole thing on me and it's all just drinking. And
it was just it was just I felt like it
was just doubtas it took overminded me that night and
we was there, everybody was locked in and it was
like a pause.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Everybody said, you can drimp that big thing on me.
I'm like, I fuck what you made.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
But that was.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I was waiting. So look, we've been scarce metal world
beat up a song.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Hey, I didn't want to fuck up your story, but
I was.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Like, cut the fucking.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Pause, you know what.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I needed a drink, but's gotta be fired. Though, to
win the ship is celebrating somebody else's city as far.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yeah, I snug the NBA championship out right. It was
literally this many people at our party.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
No for any boy, when the kids, I said, there,
I gotta throw my own championship party.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Damn throw a party.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
No.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I couldn't fall back to the brook Lopez walked in
with his jersey on. I said, damn, it's just being
Brooke with no vibes in there for Brooks, with no
vibes for nobody. It was like everybody from the front office.
I was like, nah, I've seen the Dallas Mavericks win
and I seen Sean Mary and getting the drink port
(32:40):
on them.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Did you know though, at the beginning of the year
that you had a chance though, I mean, I know
you always want to play the win, but.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
So look, every team has aspirations to win championship every
year training camp come.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Every team has that goal that's coming in training camp.
That's the focus.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
But guess what, it's only about handful of those teams
actually gonna speak that into the existence. You know what
I'm saying, Reality in perceptions two different things.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Reality.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Most of these teams know they ain't gonna they ain't
gonna do shit. Now now the parody in the league
now today is totally different. But back then, though, listen,
this is how strong our team was. My cousin's not here.
We're sitting in my living room when I was living
in Preston Hollow at the time, and he was like,
he looked at our roster. He literally looked at our roster.
He was like, it's like, cuz, y're gonna win championship
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this year. Y'all gonna do what y'all need to do.
Y'all win championship. I was like, you know what, shit,
cause you you kind of I believe you're you right,
I'm looking at this motherfucker like, yeah, I'm looking at
our roster because we ain't had training camp yet. So
we got some new guys that, you know, some older
guys who came in. But like, I'm like, you know
what you did, all right, we go out and do
what we need to do. We're gonna win this motherfucker.
So fast forward, training camp starts, we are in Orlando
(33:55):
playing them for preseason. So D Steve host hosted half
the team at the house and have a barbek with
the crib. He got atm in the.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Liver room and Ship. Yeah, so we there. He got
a guy tattoo.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Guy came over and we grilling and everybody's just chopping
him talking ship and Jeed was like, Yo.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Let me get this.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I'm gonna go and get this motherfucking championship tattoo on
my arm. I'm like what. He's like, yeah, we winning
this bitch this year.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
I was like, oh shit, okay, okay no. So he
literally got chapmanship, chatted on his arm, breaked it in there.
This preseason. We ain't I remember that. I didn't know
I know what that happened. I didn't know that was
pre season. We ain't played one game this season yet.
So I was like, oh shit, we locked in.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Let's do this ship yet. I got you. Let's do this.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
So we come up the gates rolling, you know, we
Korong go down within I think fifteen games. Tough one,
tough one, but like man, we we studied rolling and
everybody just locked in with each other. Man like of course,
you know the season is so long. I think we
finished what third or fourth that year, something like that
(35:04):
in the Western Conference. And uh, but it didn't matter
who we messed up with. We knew we we had
eighteen game winn the streets that season and you know
we we we.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Was doing it.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
So the West has always been strong like that though
for the most part, for the longest of my career,
we everybody was who made postseason was winning fifty plus games.
So but anyway, we get through the year and we
and we play Portland that first round and man, I
tell you, we was locked in and we looked at
each other's eyes and it was a there was a
filling in the locker room, the whole, the whole, the
(35:33):
whole dynamic and whole culture in our environment.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
When you walked into that locker room, you knew that
we was on a mission.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
For sure.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
You you got you would have felt that energy and
got that energy. And with galls of all the naysayers
and the media and ship, they kept talking. They picked
port they picked something. They picked Portland win that series.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Ye are the favorites to pick the Lakers to win,
ok okay see to win.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
They picked Miami win everything. I was like, I tell you,
the motherfuckers on no shit about basketball because we beat
the dog shit on everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah I did, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
No facts.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
I got a question for you, and we got a
fan question. They wouldn't know if it's just true or not.
You know what I'm saying. Obviously we know what happened.
You know they got about a phoenix.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Is it true there was a possibility that you could
have went to Boston?
Speaker 6 (36:13):
Yes, oh, okay, yes, So doing that process. Right before
KG went, I was getting calls. So so you know,
this being the NBA, there's a lot of people calling
about accident about people that don't mean they up the trade.
It's part of the business, part of the game. So
like people can call in crob or anything like. And
(36:35):
they asked him it was calling Boston was calling like crazy,
and uh I was like, uh the ball is They
was like, Boston's calling about to Sean and we ain't
entertaining it.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Don't worry about You're not going anywhere.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
I was like, Okay, that's enough, said, I'm not even
thinking about it, you know, And of course that stuff
end up making the trip on down to you here
and there.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
But like listen, it's part of the business. Get it,
eat it, and then uh, they.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Treated for KG afterwards they figured out the KG they
I guess he agreed to it and that's when he
went and left, but I didn't. I wouldn't like I
would have entertained it, and I had to agree to it.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Before the show, we was talking about obviously I don't
I love basketball, but I like to talk about the
other stuff. So we were talking about the cities you
played in, and I was like, Bro, you're a lucky man. Bro,
you playing some fire cities you gouts Phoenix, Miami, Toronto, Dallas,
just to name a few.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Like what was your we in Dallas? On? Neverman? But
what what was your favorite city? Like?
Speaker 6 (37:37):
So so honestly, man, all of them was different phases
of my career, like I was. My mind said, was
totally different every team I went to so uh but
you know what, man, it was it sucked being and
the team was losing.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
But I tell them all the time, So Toronto, you
should have been a rapping my boy. Come on, man,
I was trying to get in Toronto with all my heart, but.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
You didn't want to pay them taxes though I would Texas, man,
Texas is crazy there.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
I was hoping I was on the minimum.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Man. Some see do as a motherfucker boy lord a mercy.
Remember this is right now, the real Matrix. Yeah, how
did you get that nickname though? The Knny Smith? This
is my Kimmy Smith. Yeah, first game ever, preseason? We uh,
(38:42):
we're playing, so you didn't get a chance of playing
the forum.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
No, I didn't play regular season, but my first year
was a last preseason tournament they had before they closed
it stable season. Staples Center open beginning of the season,
so we in there and they had a tournament preseason tournament.
It was me, it was Phoenix Lakers, of course I
think Sacramento a couple of another team in there.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
So every year he did it.
Speaker 6 (39:06):
So first game ever, preseason, dude, I get a still
block and won all in like.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
A sequence, and Kenny smift' is like, oh my god,
you see that, he's the Matrix.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
And that was it.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
Everywhere I was going, everybody was calling me the Matrix.
And you know, Kenny Smith's always been the guy who
get everybody nicknames, and that's it. I became a household name.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
That's far getting nickname. Those first NBA games I gotta drink.
Oh yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Ain't drink this one, bro, that's on you.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
That's watering that though lightly over there, got over the house.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Big Sean, and I will not be taking no drinks
from yours.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
That's oh no, that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Obviously you still watch ball. Uh what young players you say,
you can see like remind you of yourself.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
So you know, uh, you know doing the drift every
year they try to play young game. I'm company guys
to guys that played before them. You know, men, listen,
I don't I don't see nobody out there there.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
See.
Speaker 6 (40:31):
I used to say Kawhi a little bit because he
I feel like he never got tired of the court.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And he plays both enses of floor, you know.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
But uh, you know, I just think, uh I was
a lot more athletic than and jumping and rebounding than
Kawhi is. But you know for this engine effort, you know,
versatile small forward that you know, it's like a little
bit of this, a little bit of that, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
But you know, I just feel like I was, uh
one of a time, man. This is what it is.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Yeah, Like to me, like defensively, you were like Draymond.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
But offensively you were like your own type of person
because you can run picking rolls with the ball, or
you can set them slip out dunk, you can hit
the corner, three, you can shoot, you could attack off
the dribble, So you weren't nobody really played like you
on offense. Now, No, offensively, you were like Draymond because
you can go one through five. I remember when even
when you was in Cleveland, you were switching all the
boss greens.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
So so you know, it's funny we talk about that,
we talk about the versatility defenders and stuff, and I
was like, you know, Draymond, and I think I love
his to nastally, love his energy, love his heart, but
I still think I'm always the way better defender than
he was. And the reason I say that is because
when I had to guard point guard point, when when
I actually guarded you, I guarded you for the whole game.
I didn't it wasn't no, no, no, a few minutes
(41:45):
here and there or trying to spread somebody.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I guarded.
Speaker 6 (41:47):
I locked in with you guys for the whole game,
and like most guys ain't doing that. So it's easy
for and it's way simpler for guys to do with
every possession and switch. Everybody switched now. But I mean
I can guard somebody for a quarter. It's easy to
do that, and let me guard that guy for the
whole game, though most guys is not doing it. I'm
the only person ever in NBA history to do that.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Only person.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Nobody guard No. One through five, not the whole game.
That's a question. Yeah, obviously, you know what I'm saying.
You guarded some of the best in the league. Who
is some of the people gave you, like the most
trouble so so.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
Early in my career, one of one of my favorite
players was Jamal Masburn. He was a big body, small
forward that can handle the ball and just he was.
He wasn't very athletic, but he was shifty and very
creative of getting his shot off.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Man, he had a you know what I'm saying game
to him that was so smooth man, you know.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Giving me a shout to Jamal man he was one
of my my guys helped me elevated, you know what
I'm saying. But at that time, you know, shoot, all
the small for us was pretty pretty talented.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Time.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I was like guard mellow Melo.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
That's a real still.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
So Carmelo Carlo was tough. I was already three years
in the league. I think I was.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
I think I was three four years in the league
already when he came in. But man, he was, he
was tough because you know, he was he was.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
He was man.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
He was trying to he was trying to score every
time he got the ball. Man like he ain't he
ain't believe in passing the rock. So you know, once
you got him, like, man, yo, we didn't go at
it for sure.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Well, I think we should be talking about Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Right ship, you know you're talking about Yeah, go ahead,
I think you should be a Hall of Famer, Like
with all the accolades you got, all the things you
did playing basketball, like from college on, I think you
got a Hall of Fame career of me personally.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
And shout out to the Phinney sounds retired and number.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
You know what I'm saying, that's that's what's up. That's
what's that's the start.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
You know, man, you know, I've been having this conversation
people asking me that a lot, and I thank you
because you know, at the end of the day, but
you're not the ones, you know, the ones who's picking.
So like, a lot of things are not in your control,
but one of the things that y'are. And we all
cogree that though when you when you when you earn something,
you feel like you should get that reward, right versus
(44:11):
it's like nobody going somebody come in here, y'all doing
the job, and I'm gonna pay you when I feel
like it. That's the mentality was sometimes when things go
on and you know, one of the things, I've been
truly blessed, man, I take noneing for granted. I'm able
to do things that a lot of people will never
get the chance to do. You know, I'm seeing the
world and I don't take noneing for granted.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
And like.
Speaker 6 (44:33):
I'm okay, I know what I did to this game.
You know what I'm saying. I know, I know exactly
what I'm punting. I left on this game, and who
I am. You know, I'm comfortable, man, And that's it.
A lot of a lot of that I can't control
with nobody else too. I only can control myself.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
So that your peers know that she was one of
them guys, man, So I wouldn't be surprised down the road.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
It happened for you, but your peers definitely know you, and.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Most importantly we know too, no doubt for show for show.
And on that note, we will get about of here.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Matrix. Appreciate you. Slide on this big.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Guy, love love Max the noise one time hen see arena.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yeah yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Before we get up out of here, were gonna have
a couple questions from the crowd.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Ain't working, Mike check Questions from the crowd.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Questions, questions, Hey, Sean, Mary, who is the hardest person
you had the guard in the NBA?
Speaker 6 (45:34):
The hardest person I ever had a guard in the
NBA was probably Shock No, no, no, seriously no, but
anybody who uh, anybody who was who's gonna be that?
Who was the mean guy who actually was a tough
guard man. It's just about me preparing and trying to
make it hard for him, hey Sean. Uh, when it
(45:54):
comes to free agency, is there when you're talking to
your agent, is there like a minimum.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
You will take or it's pretty mu up to you
what you want to do.
Speaker 6 (46:01):
So so so look, I was never officially a free agent.
So when I came, when I came to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
I was.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
I was signed. It was a sign, sign and seal deal,
so I was under contract currently. It was a sign
and trade, so I couldn't. I didn't actually go out
and test the market. That's one thing I never did.
So everywhere I went, I typically was under contract. The
last year that I went and played in Cleveland do
it was between Cleveland and Indiana, And that's a year
Paul George broke his league and they needed they had
(46:30):
a they had a player exemption. They was gonna give
me whatever that was. I think it was five or
six million dollars or whatever. But at that at that
point in my career, I wanted to play for a
championship and I was like, withn't going up body unless
I saw myself being in position to win another championship
before I retire. And that's why the reason I went
to Cleveland. But free agency, man, Listen, it's a different
different it's a different thing.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
You know.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
I didn't get a chance to really experience it like
a lot of guys did. But listen, I knew I
was coming here. Jay Kidd, Jeff Dirk, Cuban, all of
them called me like, yo, you you're that final piece,
we need to win a championship, and it was like, Yo,
we're gonna make this happen. I was like, hey, because
at the time Cuban and my my man, my my
agent Dan Fakan were really good friends. So it's all
(47:13):
a great, a great scenario and they I got a
phone call like the soon as I became rephraging, like no,
you can trade it. Sign trade because Brian Klangeol was
a GM at the Raptists at the time, so that
was my guy from Phoenix. So it was just it's
just all worked out and signed trade five year deal
from the Dallas frevs Shoes A hoo band oh man
(47:38):
of So it was probably my pe shocks M hmm,
yeah they are. They're pretty dope. Uh yeah, yeah, they
my pe shot.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
I had some.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
I have variations of shocks and uh I had some.
Definitely some players that was pretty dog.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
The piggy back off of what es said.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
You know you're a dog.
Speaker 9 (48:06):
You could drop a dog off of any fight you're
gonna battle. Two part question, who is somebody you you
didn't play with, but you could take it. You know
you would take the war with anybody. You know, you
take them to war, any war, and somebody you didn't
play with. Who's two people that you would take the
war with? So who the people I took? Okay, the
first one is the people I will want to go
a world with right now? Oh shit, I mean I
(48:28):
would running back with the team we wanted in twenty eleven.
I mean, oh, I mean, listen, you know it's funny.
I came in with J Kid and Penny hardway back
for two thousand Phoenix, So listen, those two are special guys, man,
you know, and listen, I it wasn't it was it
was meant to me and J Kidd to reunite. Dude, like, seriously,
(48:51):
though we are playing with JA Kidd. He elevated me early.
Speaker 6 (48:56):
And told me to do things on the floor without
like and just gave me the gave me the green
light when I when I came in my rookie season,
he was like, you got it go. And we we
only played two years together in Phoenix earlier. Then we
came back here and won that championship and it was
dope only on the person I probably would love to
play with that I didn't get to play with too. Man,
(49:17):
I actually had a chance to do it, but they
didn't have no money. It was Lakers Kobe, So of
course m J was already going out the league when
I came in. You know, he was on his way out.
Uh but uh with Kobe though, So it was it
was a situation there that it was. It could have
it could have blossomed into something, but it justn' it
just didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
That's good, big dog. Hey, who gave you that? Welcome
to the NBA moment? Oh Mookie Blaylock, Atlanta legend.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Mookie Blaylock.
Speaker 6 (49:49):
If y'all don't know who he was, he was a
hell of a point guard man, and I ain't gonna
I ain't gonna lie to this ship was so crazy.
So I got the ball, I'm drimming down the court right,
and everybody was talking about how quicks his hands were,
Pauls so you know, so like I'm literally driven, I'm
(50:12):
thinking I'm about to lay it up, right, he didn't
already stole that bit from me, And.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I was like, yo, did he just do that? But like, yeah,
his hands was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
Clap it up, y'all.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
For the Club five twenty podcast The Matrix, Sean Marion
Dallas Mavericks leavinging champion. Also beat out to Jeff T,
DJ Wells, Bishop be Hen, You don't gotta leave.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Plenty of drinks, plenty of food.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Mix it mingle, clap it up one more time here
to see a.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Ring in the trick with deep appreciate Sean for coming
out for real.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Thank you. Love that
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