November 11, 2025 • 53 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL stories on Nightcap! The guys react to the Giants firing Brian Daboll, question whether Aaron Rodgers is washed after his struggles with the Steelers, and much more!
0:00 - Chargers vs Steelers11:57 - Eagles vs Packers27:13 - Brian Daboll Fired44:40 - Lions vs Commanders
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Charge and beat the Steelers twenty five to ten. Keenan
Allen passes Antonio Gate for the most receptions in Chargers history. Gates,
friend of mine, Pro Football Hall of Famer, had nine
to fifty five and now Keenan Allen has nine to
fifty six. But oh, you're watching this game last night,
last night, night one nighty.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Pure dominance, pure dominance from the Chargers. The Steelers on good.
They're not good enough. Obviously offensively, you can't turn the
ball over. Look, it was a deep the first two quarters.
I was like, okay, this is a good game. It's
it's three to two. You know, defense, both defense playing
extremely well.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Both offices really couldn't get nothing going.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
But at some point the Chargers, you know how they are,
They're gonna keep chipping and chipping and chipping. At some
point that offense is gonna catch fire. They're gonna start
moving the ball. When they're getting the red zone, they
gonna score and put up some points. And the defense
played so well. They had Aaron Rodgers shook that had
him uncomfortable. He rushed and throws some very very bad habits,
even though he is a very good throw at the ball.
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Some very bad habits, causing balls to seal on him,
which were really easy, easy completions, drop passes that ended
up being interceptions. They really couldn't get anything going all
night long. On third down. They goddamn the damn Steelers was.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
What hold on?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I just had it right in front. They were two
for eleven to e eleven.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
But you ain't.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You ain't finna do nothing with that. You're not gonna
do nothing with that at all. So listen, the Chargers
played really well. Even though they the Steelers lost the game.
They are still first in the division.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I think there was not for a much longer though.
The Bengals coming. I'm glad you know that. I'm glad
See I'm glad you and you you know football.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
That's one thing. That's one thing I can say about you.
I don't care what they say, but you know football.
You know the Bengals coming in to take that division over.
So but it listen, No, there's no chance of that.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Ojo. You mentioned that they're not good defensively. If they
can't get to your quarterback, they're very average on the
back end. Let's call it what it is, Chad. I
know y'all like the Steelers, and A and and most
of the people my age, and a lot of they
have a lot of fans they travel with really well.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But the Steelers aren't good.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
If they can't if those two guys outside can't get
to your quarterback, if they can't attack your quarterback, give it.
Give the quarterback any amount of time, They're either going
to be a completion or it's going to be holding.
That's what it is.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And their offensive line, the Steelers offensive line isn't good.
Aaron Rodgers is not as mobile as he once was,
so he can't keep continuously getting himself out of arm's way.
He had some bad throws. They sailed on him. He
had DK early in the game. Sell that one. The
other one he hit the guy right between the numbers. Yeah,
often had one slip through his hand to.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Get the pick.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't know why the punt return is trying to
you say and get away, and then you tried to
the ball. You never feel the wall below you waist
if you gotta go down here to catch it. I
tell you know, you don't feel no mo like that.
You've been fielding punts far too long to know. You
don't put you don't take a ball below you waist,
and here you are trying to do something that your
coach not to do, trying to be a hero, and
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guess what, you give them another cheap, easy three points.
But the Steelers just watching the Steelers, and you watch,
like I said, you watch them, and yet they're five
and four, their winning, but they're not good. They don't
have it. They don't have a team that can compete
port Championship. Now, Mike Thomas is gonna go into and
you know, to tell them and give all these great
clubs and these great sound bites, but he know, deep
down they don't have a team that can compete for
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a chance.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
The funny thing about it is they have the players
on paper.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
When when when they got some of the off season
acquisitions that they did get, I was like, okay, the
still is gonna be nice. There still is gonna be
real nice. Obviously getting Jayalen Ramsey, you know, Darius Slay,
big place Slayers there, TJ.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Watt.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
TJ Watt signed, so they got cam Hey, We're done.
I'm like, okay, you know what on all three levels
deep offensively, they gonna be all right. If there is
a weakness, is there is a weak link. It'd probably
be the second level, but they would make up for
that on the back end and up front.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
But listen, let's be real. Those are the names. Those
guys they played good in the Wild Oat Show. Let's
be we're gonna keep it real tonight in night Camp.
But their name still at good that with names. They
got big names. But those guys haven't played well in
a while. That's why they're on other teams.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Man, that's that's that's difficult. I know, I know what
you mean. Ramsey wanted want it out in Miami. He
wanted out of Miami. I thought the Steelers would have
been a great situation for him. I think he's still
wanted the better corners even though he's moved to safety.
You got the experience with Ramsey, then you have big
pay Slay. Yeah, listen, Slay looked good last year's when
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we were in Philly. He played extremely well, played extremely
well in the playoffs as well. So I mean when
you when you say.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, when you had that pass rush, but what happened
when them guys can't get home and you got a
hold just a tad longer. Like I said, if you
look at the names, on paper the names you. Oh,
he in pro Boh he went to the Pro Bowl. Oh,
he went to the Pro Bowl. He's an All Pro.
He did this.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
But all the guys, they haven't played well in a while.
They haven't.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's not to say they weren't good at a at
a particular time, because every guy that you mentioned was,
they were good. They're just not what they once were now.
And that's what the Steelers need. People are not It
used to be a time on Joe, people were in
all names. Now people will make it, will make an
example out of you and usual catapult themselves because of
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your name.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And and people ain't looking well. No.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
All I know is like Paul Pierce told me, he said,
look I beat stepping the three point competition. I say, man,
that man was this rookie year with he Steph Curry?
Is he the greatest shoot the ball tap? I don't
know how he was, Okay, Ain't nobody gonna care? Man,
This guy was in his thirteenth year, this guy was
in his eleven year. All I know was that who
you said he was. They're not good, They're not. They're
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just not. And and and at some point in time,
we just got that. We gotta call it. We gotta
call it like we see it. They got good, they
got big names. But if what and hot Smith can't
get home, if that front, if that front can't get
home because they got heat bringing, they got a couple
of other guys. If those guys don't don't get home,
oh that ball getting completed on the back end. It's
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really that simple. It's really that simple. But they're not close, Ocho,
They're not. They're not. I mean, look at this. They
had eleven first downs. There are two eleven On third down,
they had two hundred and twenty one yards of hold on.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
That's Aaron Rodgers at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, he had he had.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
They had the ball, Ocho, they had the ball for
twenty He.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Had a bad day.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
He had a bad dead office. He had a bad
dead office. It happens, happened to It happens to the
best of us. It happened to some of the better teams,
as we'll talk about later on in the show, team
that we expect to play well. I expected this to
be probably one of the better games today out of
the I to one of the better games. It's just
it's just the funny thing about the NFL. The funny
thing about the NFL, it's just you get games like
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this where you're expecting to be not not a blowout,
but you expected it to be exciting. You expected to
be yes, yes, you're going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
And it just wasn't that. It just didn't give that.
So it's it's weird. It's weird how it's really really.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Weird how that works week the week where you can
never you can never really guarantee what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I don't know what the Steelers were thinking. I don't
know that they were supposed to being played for Waddle
And there are a couple of other receivers they should
have been in play for. But they should have because
really they don't have but one guy and and and
and if he can't complete the ball to to d K,
it ain't getting completed the other the other the other
guys are just guys. There, they're guys. They're there, They're
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there three twos, lord twos, threes.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
But sometimes you got to win with that, sometimes those twos.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And you ain't win no championship with that.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
What you mean, they have to make plays, They got
to catch the ball. This is the NFL. Every team
can't have can't have one on one twos. You just can't.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
You have to do.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
You have to make do with what you got.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So it's up to those players, the Calvin Austin's, you know,
anyone outside of DK, the tight ends they have, they
have to make those plays.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, you need Steve Austin, the six million dollar man
in Pittsburgh, if you're gonna make some plays with what
they got. Because Aaron is not what he once was.
He can't move around like he was the like he
once did. He's not as accurate as he once was
because he's you're forcing him to move. I mean, Aaron
Rodgers thrown interception. Man, there were there were times Aaron
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Rodgers threw four interceptions in a season. He's got four
in the last two games. We never this ain't Aaron
Rodgers that were used to seeing, Yeah, he could have.
The thing is Ojoe And I've said this having been
having a player that played really good when I was
young and as I started to get older. The thing
that I tell people, you can have a big game,
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you just can't have them with the regularity you did
when you were in your prime. And we've seen Aaron
Rodgers have games that remind you that is the old
Aaron Rodgers. But they just don't come with the frequency
like they once did.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
And that's what they need. They needed Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
They need MVP Aaron Rodgers that could carry an average
or mediocre defense. He can't do that now, as guys
get no what do they need, O Joe? What did
Tom Brady need? Tom Brady the guys that could elevate
him he needed. He needed a Godwin, He needed Mike Evans,
he needed a Kdart and he needed Gronk to come back.
He needed and Antonio Brown, those guys that he once
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won win and New England had gotten old and they
could no longer do. He could no longer elevate them.
So now I need you to help pull me because
I can't pull you guys no more. I can't carry
you no more. That's okay. But if the Steelers weren't
but was gonna stand pad with what they had, There's
no way they thought that was good enough to win.
(10:14):
No way, no way.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Listen, we we halfway we halfway through the season. They've
They've had they had some good games. They have some
games where they played well, then they have some some
some shitty games like to night. I mean, you're gonna
have gay. You want to be as consistent as possible.
You want to be as consistent as possible, and being
hitting your stride. You want to hit the stride offensively
and defensely at the right time. You don't want to
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peak too early, you want to peak too soon. You
want to hit it at the right time. I still
think they do have a chance. The fact that they
are still first in the division. They they they got
to play better. They got to play better.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
We've seen we've seen teams have games like this and
then hit it right when it counts and when it
matters most.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
But we've seen them skate by a couple of victories
that they could have eaten. I mean, I don't think
there were any games that they they they they lost
that they should have won. But we've seen some games
that they want They should have lost that jet game
if that guyumber that ball.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
But it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
We'll see there are nine games. If they played nine games,
they're five and four, there's eight games left. I don't
I don't believe they can hold the Ravens off with
the raven with the way the Ravens are currently playing.
With Lamar playing at the level of which he's playing,
I don't think they can hold him off.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
For you, you know, i'mnna let you have that one.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I'm gonna let you have that one because I was
gonna mention who they actually played and the team they
actually played did a phenomenal job today and it's a
reason why they're probably gonna win the AFC East and
rejuvenize their season.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
If you can who you can hear.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
The afcast. That's New England's Division. That's New England.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Division times eight games left.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Oh Joe Eagles ten, Packers seven. A scoreless first half,
the first time in nearly two years that the NFL
has had a scoreless first half, but the Eagles make
enough plays. A big play over the top of thirty
six yards Jayalen hurts to Devonte Smith, former teammates at
the University of Alabama, and that was really the difference
in the ball game as they win ten to seven.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Oh Joa, I'm gonna let you take it go ahead.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Unless you're a defensive guy. Unless you're a defensive guy,
that's the only way.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Your microphone where you're not we could give muffled.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Oh shoot, hey, I'm glad. Yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I'm glad. I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You said something.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Can you give me now?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, yeah, I say, unless you're a defensive guy, that's
the only way you enjoyed this game.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's the only way you enjoyed this game. You expect
you expect a lot of you expect a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Of points, especially from the Green Bay Packers the way
we talked about them before the season started, with all
the weapons that they had have, Jordan Love actually continuing
to get better, you know, uh, year to year, and
it was bad.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It was bad. Sat Quan almost got loose a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So I expected him to finally make make make his
uh his visit to the party and having a big
game and do some and yeah, and do some of
the things that Jonathan Taylor has been doing as of late.
But that didn't happen. It was a close game. It
was a game where the team with the fewest mistakes
was going to win. The team with the fewest mistakes
were going to win, and in the end, there was
an opportunity for Green Bay to be able to tie it,
(13:31):
and it just it just didn't happen they missed. I'm
not sure if you enjoyed this game. Maybe maybe you
might have liked it, uh, based based.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
On what you saw.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
But I'm not gonna call it the snooze fest because
I was hyped before the game started. Oh my goodness,
the Packers playing, Oh, the Eagles playing, it's gonna I
thought maybe it would have been a ball, it's gonna
be a barn burner.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
But hey, it was.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
It was upsetting.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Uh yeah, it left a lot to be desire. I mean,
we're thinking about two teams, two quarterbacks that's been to
the Pro Bowl. One quarterback that's one that's won a
Super Bowl. He's been a Super Bowl MVP. I don't
think either quarterback played particularly well in this game. I
thought Jalen Hursts made the throws that he needed to make,
especially that big one to the Vonta Smith could have
put a nice a ribbon on that a bowl, a
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nice bowl on the box had he hit to drop
that one in the bucket to aj Aj, I don't
care what y'all say, Eagles fan, ain't no way aj
coming back next year. But we'll talk about that a
little another day in time.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I just I just don't get Jordan Love, the mistakes
that he makes. They got to throw him seven you run,
you run the over concept. I'm gonna dangle this cheese
out here in front of you hoping somebody go to
the short route.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Boy, don't you throw it? They did. The Eagles play
it exactly how you draw it up.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
They jumped, They dump musk Grave on the on the
short route, and you got the end cut coming in
behind him for the first down, and he takes the
seven yards when you need nine. I'm confused, bro, And
and I was like, damn, I wonder what Laflour is thinking.
And then he went and looked at it on the eyepad.
He said, you got to be eating me, you got
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to be hitting me. And then he's getting I mean,
he steps up in the pocket instead of all these
guys breaking free all I mean, he got the shot
across breaking free, he got the end cut breaking free,
he got the over breaking free, and it takes off running.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Like he lamar Jackson, bro, throw the ball, oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, the contract that he got, he earned that. But
he's not meaning expectations of what they happened. And I
told you, I said, even with this Michael trade. Are
we sure they're better than the Rams?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I'll ask you that. I said, oh yo, are we sure? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And that was a hard one back then to answer
that question. Honestly it was.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
It was a hard one, especially, you know, with the
way the season started, the expectations that they did have,
and the expectations that we had watching Jordan Love and
what he's been able to do as of late.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I mean you you would think, hell, they're gonna be
right down and running.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
George Love is just a little bit too inconsistent for
my fancy and the throws that he's missing. Ohoe, if
that's a rookie quarterback or second year quarterback, I'll kind
of give him a little lead. Yeah, I kind of
give him a little grace. But when you've a Pro
Bowl quarterback, when you have the level expectations, when you've
earned the money that you're making, you can't make those mistakes.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You get in facked and you're gonna do what you do.
You try to pack the ball to Josh Jacob. Josh Jacob, Okay,
they coming on the bliz. You hit the guy, leak out,
either breakout or break in. You can't keep straight up
the field. Bro, you gotta give him an anger to
throw you the football. This is why I can't coach Ojo.
(16:48):
Some things they shouldn't have to tell you. You know,
damn well, Josh Jacobs, you're not gonna run no route.
If you sleeping out and you're gonna keep straight up
the field, you're gonna break out or you're gonna break
in because you gotta ge even I ain't gonna throw
you the football, so I don't. I don't blame Jordan
Love for that, for missing that throw, because they're like, bro,
if you break out, you give me. I mean, think
about it. You got bron on your hip, you catch this,
(17:10):
ain't no telling how far are you gonna go. The
Eagles the one thing they're gonna do, they're gonna make plays.
They're gonna find a way to get the ball. I
thought green May did a great job of Jalen Hurst.
Get the ball, gets going, get picked up a big
and the guy comes in punches it out. I was like, Okay,
Green Bay, you might be onto something, but you know
you've got to protect the ball for four quarters when
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you play the Eagles, because they're very opportunistic. They'll find
a way to get the ball out. Oh Joe, I
just need you to help me with one thing, and
then I'm gonna let you go take it. It's fourth
and one. Why are you trying to go in a
hurry when you've already got first? Of all, they missed
your first the first ball start on the quarterbacks sneak
in the first quarter. They missed that one. The damn
show missed the one of the twis push. I'm trying
(17:52):
to figure out, how can I see things in real time?
The official that the damn game can't. We'll get to
that in a minute.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
And then that's a they're not supposed to call it.
They're not.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
He got fourth and one. This is the money down.
Take the time out.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Give me your best fourth and one, Give me your
best fourth Okay, what do we like on fourth and one?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
What do you a, Jordan? What do you like on
fourth and one? We got three options right here? I
like this. Which one do you like? Receiver? Hm?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
When they go when they go double tight, when they
go jumbo formation. They got four line, they got one
center guard, tackle, extra offensive lineman. That extra offensive lineman
is a tight end. You got to back your ass up.
You're the Z receiver.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
The guy to the open side. Now he's the ex receiver.
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Boy, look here, Sometimes, oh Joe, what I get upset about?
Sometimes I'll be watching these guys play. If dynamite was brained,
they couldn't blow the nose. Looking here, This is why chat.
I mean, it's common sense. Oh Joe, you've got an
extra lineman.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
He's on the ball. He's not a tight end. You
got the back off. Yeah, the open side is not
the ex receiver. M hm.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
It's just it's just common it's just so. It it
may maybe maybe it's me because some things you just like,
Oh Joe, it's just calmon knowledge. I could just like
really think on the fly and just like, Okay, I'm
supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
On the ball.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I made the mistake one time and it cost us
a big play, and I promise I'd never be in
that situation again. I know who's supposed to be on
the ball, But if he lines up on the ball,
oh Joe, ain't no harm, no power. I'll back up
off the ball. Instead of having a play where now
all of a sudden we have an illegal formation because
me I'm supposed to be on the ball, you're supposed
to be on the nah nah na na, you get
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on the ball, I'll get off a lot of times. Yeah,
I like to be on the ball. A lot of times.
Guys don't like to be on the ball because you're
closer to the defender. I like building the ball because
it's gonna give me an opportunity to get my hands
on you, because I'm gonna throw you ass.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
You know you know what that tells me too, unk.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
After after one, two, three, three, four, four days to prepare,
after three days of two days of real of real
practice fridays of fast Friday, I mean one day of
fast Friday.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That that actual play that they did call.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
On that fourth and one is one that they didn't
go over many times, one that they didn't rehearse very
many times. One that they didn't go through and walk
through on Saturday on Saturday mornings. You know when we
talk about situational football in cases comes up on four down,
and these are the players we choose from.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
This is the alignment that we need.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
That's that's why that why are you, oh Joe, this
is the most important. This is this is for the game.
Oh yeah, why would you watch it?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Would I would rather take a time out because the
likelihood of you getting the ball back if and if
you do get the ball back, oh your you're not
gonna get it back with a whole bunch of time.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
So now, and you look at the position that you're in,
Look where you are, bro, I'm like, you got to
be kidding me. You rush that on fourth and one Normally,
O Joe.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
If I'm gonna invest something, and this is my last,
I ain't your fit, put it round right there, Ojo.
I'm gonna think about this. Okay, let me think about this. Okay,
this is my absolute last.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Here you got and it got to be, got to be,
got to.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Be the best option. I mean, the Eagles the one
thing they don't they don't they're not gonna do. And
you can think about, Sirianni whatever you want. They're not
gonna beat themselves. They're not gonna beat themselves. They're gonna
line up properly. Then line is gonna be where they're
supposed to be. If a guy's on the ball, he's
gonna be on the ball. If the guy's off the ball,
(21:51):
he's gonna be off the ball. Defensively, they're gonna be
where they're supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I watched the situation where they had they ran twenty
two many, they ran what we call cover five.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Ojoe went to too man. Man I watched my Mitchell
m man. I thought it was a Congo movie. Roo
dns ain't movee ha ha ha ha ha ha ain't
moved nowhere. Oh damn sir, oh j don't laugh back
(22:20):
man oh Joe ha ha ha. And he ain't moved quick.
Mitchell stabbed it with one and he just standing up roll.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
You got to be all that dancing is fine if
you're at the disco, but when you're on the football field,
you got to be moving forward because the quarterback is
come as he's going back and you're still at the
line of scrimmage. And remember we had the conversation Josh
Jacobs said, we need a dog. We got some good
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reading it and and all the receivers got mad and
they need a dog go to they need to go.
They got they got this, they got good, they got
quality receivers. I think Watson is the best, but he
can't stay healthy. He got so much speed, he got hamstring,
he had his knee. He can't stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Well, listen, listen what we're looking for when we talk
about a dog. They have such good quality wide receivers
that are really good at doing different things. All this,
all these little fine tuning up. It ain't nothing but
a little fine.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
But they need to come see you so they can
get they can find tune it.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Hey, and let me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Everybody, every if you think about it, everybody came to
that wide receiver workshop and July. You see what they're
doing this year, right, hey, j JSN. JSN had my
eyes wide open being able to see him in person there.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I saw him at Ohio State. I seen him at
the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
You know, I saw him.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I saw him saw him.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
A little a little bit last year. But I was
not expecting this. I didn't expect what I'm seeing now,
you know. And just listen, Dobbs Wicks, Jayden Reed, come
on back down here, man, bringing boys with you. Man,
let's politic together. Continue to work on our craft, continue
to work on our game and get better for situations
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like today, For Knights.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like today, we're plays where plays.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Don't come often, and the ones that you do make
you got to make a difference. These are the reasons
why you get paid the million. These type of games
are the reasons why you get paid the big bucks.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Look for me, I think the way the Eagles are
gonna have to win, They're gonna have to win the
game more on Jalen Hurt's arms than say one legs
as opposed to.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Where it was last year. Teams are not gonna let
him run wild.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Last year, it seemed like every game we've coming out
here and we're like, man, how y'all keep letting this
man hit his head on the goal post from sixty ye,
how y'all let him hit his goal ahead on the
goal post twice from fifty plus.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Now there's like, we're gonna shut this water off.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You're gonna have to get water elsewhere, and elsewhere is
gonna be in the form of Jalen Hurts, his legs
and his arms. But they do a great job. Jalen
is rare that Hurts turns the ball over. They got
it out the night. You know, they got him going
down and then boom, dude get it with the peanut punch.
Did a great job of getting it out. But if
I'm the Packers, the pack it's a team game. But
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you know, the frustration is starting to get built, O
Joe bro We held that team to ten points. We
held that team to ten points. We held Sa Kwan
Barkley to sixty yards. We held the quarterback to under
two hundred yards passing. That's gotta be enough. Well it
wasn't enough. So you're gonna have to find ways that Like,
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you're gonna have to create more turnovers. You're gonna have
to put him. You're gonna have to put the opposing
quarterback under the rest. Now, great, that's a good offensive line.
The big right tackle he got nicked, came out. But
you see when the rubber needed to meet the roll
on that fourth down, he brought his ass back in
the game because Lane Johnson, because that's how much it
means to it. But this this Green this Green Bay
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Packers team. Man, they got to do some soul searching
because the Lions, Hey, hold on, they got they played
the Lions on Thanksgiving, don't they. I think that's the
Thanksgiving Day game?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I believe. So, yes, three games that the.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Packers, Packers, they got at Giants, they got at the Vikings,
at home at Lions on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Hey, and just so you know, they got the Bearers twice.
The barriers ain't no easy winning.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Oh no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And you go to Denver.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Where they're gonna they gonna be, they gonna be.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You see that pass rush? Who you think got a
better pass rush? U should eat us? Are the Eagles?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I mean with you?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You know, you know the Broncos pass rushes exactly?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Hey about forget the pass rush, defense, defense as a
whole and on all they got.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
The rated the game and the Vikings aginion.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
The Eagles remaining schedule Lions at home at Cowboys, Bears
at home at Chargers, Raiders at home at Commanders at Bills.
Oh Joe, we talked about this last night. We didn't
see it coming so soon, but the Giants head coach
Brian Dayball has been relieved of his duties after blowing
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another double digit lead Sunday in Chicago. Giants co owner
John Mara and Steve Tisch said today, the past few
seasons have been nothing short of disappointing, and we have
not met our expectation for this franchise. We understand the
frustration of our fans, and we will work to deliver
significant improved product. Assistant coach Offensive coordinator Mike Kafka will
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serve as the Giants enem head coach. Day Ball twenty
forty and one. As Giants head coach, his three thirty
six winning percentage puts him behind Ben Ben MCADOUDEO he had,
but you cheesecake factory, that big menu he had and
Ray Perkins Uh fired two of UH fired two of
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the three head coach coordinators and flip flop play calling
with others replaced five or nine position coach started seven
different quarterbacks, had a renting record with none of them.
He's fired as the Giants because he didn't win. This
really is really that simple, No owners, John Marren, Steve
Tish you fail. How's the general manager still there because
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he hired him? How's he still there? Daniel Jones is gone?
Say Kwan Barkley is gone. He drafted Evan Neil so yes,
So you think you're gonna get an improved product when
when the general manager, the guy that's making all the decisions,
he's still there. I'm not saying Brian dave Balls should
or should not have been fired. That's we can we'll
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discuss that a minute. But I'm trying to figure out
how saw shown has been able to keep his damn job.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Hey, And honestly, regards of what coach comes in there,
they're probably gonna get fired. They've gone through multiple coaches. Yeah,
they've gone through They've been going through multiple coaches, and
for for Brian da've All to get fired, it's kind
of somewhat understandable. He's he's had leading games and multiple
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games this season. He had leading games early in the
game and they lost on the back. They lost on
the back game. It's about bad game that they should
have continued to be able to have some type of
success after having the leads they've had, and they squand
did every everyone.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You mean, you didn't win not one of those.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I think they had leads going into the fourth quarter, right, yes,
I mean they had a twenty six eight, twenty six
nine lead over the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
They had a twenty ten lead over the Bears.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
They had to lead with the Cowboys with like fourteen
second The game comes on a big, big field goal
and they end up winning in an overtime.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, oh here it is. Week two.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
They led thirteen three, lost forty to thirty seven. At
the Saints, they led fourteen to three, lost twenty six
fourteen the Broncos. They led twenty six to eight, lost
thirty three thirty two with the Bears, and they led.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Twenty to ten, lost twenty four to twenty.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, and one thing about it, we always say coaches coaches, coaches, coaches,
coaches coach. You could have one hundred coaches, one hundred
different coaches coming there, and all one hundred are gonna
get fired.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, all one hundred are gonna get fired.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And listen, some accountability has to be put on put
on the players as well, you know, but obviously the
coaching staff too.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
And the one person who is se overseas all that
is Brian. So at this point it was time.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
No, Brian, don't coach the team. He ain't got no say.
He probably didn't have any say over the final fifty three.
He probably had no say in free agency, He probably
had no say in the Dragon. He happy to have
a job.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Hold on.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
So it sounds like somebody they running shover there like
like like that, like that team they got.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yes, yes, yes, that's why I laughed when Jerry told
about he thought about how and Sean Payton, Man, you
actually think Sean Payton's gonna come in there and the
only thing he's gonna be a the coach. He ain't
gonna have no sale on the final fifty three. He's
not gonna have any saye over the draft. He's not
gonna have any sale free agency. He's just gonna stand
there coach, and then when things go wrong, they gonna
blame him, just like all.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
The coaches he fired.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
How many coaches that he had since he fired Jimmy
Uh who took up at the gym with it?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
He had who's that? Dave Campo?
Speaker 1 (31:39):
He had Dave Campo, He had a Chan Galen who
was my old position coach. He had Wade Filmer, Jason Garrett, uh,
Mike McCarthy. Now he's probably had more than that right
until damn. You know, hey, John, May you know what
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I mean? You know, when you have a lot to
say about what the fans, what the fans was saying,
because you was reading all their mail when they was
calling in and talking about camp and all that. You
read the mail. Let's read some of the mail with
what they said about you. See if they're happy with
you and what you've been able to do with this franchise. Yeah,
because y'all, y'all look y'all they have been close since
y'all got rid of it, says Eli retired your your
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bungle dad. Eli had all those consecutive starts. Then you
start Geno and then you start Eli gehning after you
to break the man streak.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And they did that the you know, you know, you
know what they don't Bart Barry.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Swift Swisser came after Jimmy, So it's Baron Swifzer. Then
I think it was Parcels Campbell. Oh they had ten
coach Okay, so Jimmy Johnson, Barry Swizzer, Chan Gaily, Dave Campbo,
Bill par Sells, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, Brian shot.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Jimmy Johnson had a five fifty five fifty winning percentage,
Barrets Twists had sixty twenty five. Chan Gaily was eighteen
and fourteen, Dave Campo was fifteen and thirty three fifteen
to thirty three, Bill Parcells was thirty four and thirty.
Waye Fellis was thirty four and twenty two. Jason Garrett
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was eighty five and sixty seven, Mike McCarthy was forty
nine and thirty five, and Brian Schottenheimer right now is
three five and one.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
No, but no.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
But what we're saying is is that ownership plays a
large part in the success of a team.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I'm glad you just said that. Look at all the
teams that consistently win the Chiefs, Look at the chief
Look at the Ravens, Look at the Patriots. Yep, the Ravens. Well,
obviously I'm gonna throw the package in there, because they're
winning organization, not actually not actually no getting Lombardi trophies,
but always being, always being in contention.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Always being in contenttion.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And another thing, if one thing that can overcome bad
ownership is a great quarterback.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
When you got to pick him, and sometimes they'll mess
that up.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Hey, yeah, that too, but having it, having a great
having an elite quarterback, and overcome some of the bad
decision making that happens all the way up.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I think the problem that coach dabar ran into Ojo
is that he realized early on the only guy that
can save my job is the quarterback that we drift
h in the first round. But in the process of
doing that, he put him in harm's weight, because Ojo,
if I'm drowning, I don't give a damn by driving
you to save myself, I'm I'm trying to keep my
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head above water. So if that means you got to
go down, I got to stand on your shoulders so big.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
And that's what he did.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
He put this kid in harm's way because he's trying
to save his job. At the end of the today, Yeah,
I drafted him.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Hell I want to coach him mm hm.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
And so in the process of putting him in the
arms way, he subjected him to some hips Jackson Dart
and I said this, And now I was early on
man the chat. They always want to let somebody live. Now,
you got your guy in the blue tent damn near
every game because you.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Want to let him live. You like that fire. I
want my quarterback to have the energy.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Okay, now look at your quarterback, y'all still like that
Giants player, because you had a lot to say.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I said, you can't run like that. You can't.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You can't have your quarterback being susceptible to those kind
of hits.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
That's why they're protecting his ass in the pocket. Once
he leave the pocket, t if on him. He's a
running back. Now look at him. But y'all had a
lot to say if we ain't had that kind of
energy in a long time, and you might not have
it again.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Hey listen honestly too. And as a as a fan
of the game, well, watching Jackson Dart once he came
in that Yes, absolutely be smart you do now that comes,
that comes on him and that gonna come. He's gonna
get that with experience and understanding. You got to pick
and choose your battles. And when you picks me better,
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you got to pick them wide.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Well. I hope they not conscend into it because big
damn is gonna knock tomorrows out of it.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Oh yeah, you got you gotta make business decisions.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
You got them make business decisions when you got that
ball in hands and you cross that threshold and you
become a runner.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Man, Aden, Boys is not playing with you out there. Man,
this is not college.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
The grown men.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
They're trying to break you because that's the opportunity because
they can't hit your ass in the pocket like they
want to. But what they can do is t off
on your ass when you're out of the pocket. But
they give you something called a protection where you can
slide and they can't touch it. Now you try to
be a hero. And I get all that. You you
get up and get the five, get the first down,
and you do all this and you get the crowd
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and all that. Okay, Okay, billy bad ass, I've seen it.
I know what they're gonna do. Yeah, Quarterbacks are not
used to taking hits like that. They're not built to
take hits like that. So why would you subject yourself
to taking that kind of punishment? Oh, Joe, You're not
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gonna take that kind of punishment.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And it's a funny thing about it. And some of
the play call it ain't helping. No, some of the
play calling. I'm trying to save my damn self. So
if you drive in the process, so big.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
On, Joe.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, as long as you save my ass.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Why do you think he calling those flames? O Joe?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And and I get it, I get it, But Jackson
dark needs to be smarter and they need to put
an emphasis on it.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Also, Hey Son, get down, you get the first down.
I get it. It's it's Kyle. Crowd gets energized with
the crowd to get you fed up, get.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
You, They get you trying to do trying to do it,
trying to do what they want.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, you're you're exactly right. Let me ask you a question,
don't Joe, who you think will be a good fit?
Who do you think will be a good fit for
the Giants?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
M hm okay, I see how much money they take
from your New York you're back? Oh one point five me?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
You bring home seven money forty seven thousand.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Let me can I can I coach from Vegas? I
do have all about meeting from Zoom.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I'm trying to think of a collegiate coach that would
resonate very well with grown men that are in the
inner hell.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Uh brother, Lane Kiffin, Lane, you like John Gruden?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Oh, Lane Kiffing and John Gruden. That's that's the only
two I can think of off the top of my head.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Mike McCarthy, I heard Mike McCarthy ain't thrown around? What about?
What about?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
For for that city though, that city, that city needed
a coach like a Lane kiff and and John Crew.
And that's a little bit fiery, you know, a little
bit has has a little personality to him.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
For Washington.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
He was the head coach in uh in Arizona, Cliff Kingsbury.
What about Cliff Kingsbury. Now, he normally works really well
with mobile, athletic quarterbacks. We saw again with Kyle we
saw what he did with what he's done for Jalen
Jane Daniels. But would he worked with the Jackson dark
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guy that's mobile, not quite as athletic as Daniels and
and and Kyler.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
But that might that a.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Well, I mean, the thing is it might be a
part of I mean, u the question is his thing
is they threw it out because you know, the commissioner
wanted to hear it like, no, you're not finna do that.
You're not finna be the arbitrate the man soon you
and you hear your own no hell now. So the
question is with the NFL, how's that gonna play out?
Because this thing is going to court. So do they
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get a settlement and a part of the settlement he
can come back and coach or is it a situation
where you we're gonna give you money and you you done.
You can cover the league, but you're not gonna coach
in the league.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I like the I like the John Gruden rote John
Gruden and obviously Lane Kevin who coaching in college?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I think, did you just not hear what I said?
He has a pending lawsuit against the NFL.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Uh. Let me let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
There's certain there's certain rules that have been regardless of
stuff like that going on. They can make it happen.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
If the NFL says we're gonna offer you a settlement,
but you cannot coach in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Oh okay, well hell you know who else had depending
that hasn't had a lawsuit against the NFL and it's
still coaching.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Brian Florid.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah over there, Yeah, yeah, he's coaching.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Is he a head coach? Okay?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Now the question is he's had good defenses? You think
he's gonna get a job with that lawsuit? Who's gonna hire?
Because you do realize if he sue the league, who
is he suing?
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Suing? What are those owners all?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
The one of the owners?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, so it's gonna be a very interesting situation to
see how this plays out. It's kind of like, oh, Joe,
I got a lawsuit to get you, but I want
my job back. Nah, you go ahead and take this money,
go ahead on you ain't getting no job back.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Hey, But honestly knowing, knowing, knowing how the NFL works,
understanding the ecosystem that they do have, that that that
brotherhood they have.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Amongst each other.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
I could still see, you know, things working itself out
in ways we won't be able to explain.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Well, if the lawsuit goes away, it'll be explained. But
it's just hard for me to see a scenario. Oh,
tere this man dot he wants sixty He wont one
hundred million. They said, you ruined my reputation by leaking
this stuff, right, and you cost me sixty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Sixty seventy million dollars that was left on my contract?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Oh all that was aw that's off the tape.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
He signed a ten year, one hundred million dollar deal.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
A hundred million dollar deal. Yeah, I remember that, but
I thought he was still getting paid.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
For You don't get it. They bought they bought anything.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Is Mark Davis didn't want to He said he didn't
want to, said the NFL.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Forced him to force him to do it.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Yeah. Uh, who else?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I hear people talk about Clint Kubiak, the offensive the
offensive coordinator could get Yeah, he was the offensive coordinator
and Minnesota last year with who was his quarterback in Minnesota? Sam,
he's the offensive coordinating in Seattle. Who's his quarterback?
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Oh, Sam Donald, It's funny. It's funny how that work too.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Ain't going to get some strong consideration?
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Yeah, coach, Hey, Clint, let me get let me let
me get a job.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Do you really you have to understand also, Clint has
to look at the landscape of the New York Giants.
Understand what you're working with, Understand what you had. When
he was out there in Minnesota, it made things easy,
you know, understand and understand the weapons you have around you.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Now that you are over there and god Damnattle, Seattle.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, now do you do you want to come and
and and start all over in New York? You do
have Jackson Dart who was very exciting. Scatterbole would be
back next year. Malik neighbors but he she should be.
He should be fine by the start of the season.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
On Malik, Yeah, he should be. He definitely should be.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
But here's the thing to yo, oh Joe, that's still
a gold standard franchise. And my first head coaching job
is gonna be with the New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Who turns that down.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
No, you just about it.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You just saw. What's the guy that was at Philly
last year? Yeah, he was at He was at Dallas
OC for a long time. Kellen Moore came, Oh Joe,
he took New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
He took the New Orleans job.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I give it a choice, take New Orleans or you're
taking the Giants. The Lions meeting the Commanders forty four
to twenty two. Dan Campbell resumed took over pay play
calling duties from first year off has the coordinator John
Morton this past week and it ignited it dominant when
Campbell said he met with Morton for an honest conversation
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to discuss some changes. Last Monday, a day after stunning
Home lost to the Minnesota Vikings, things looked a lot
different on the Fieldow Show. Detroit racked up a season
high two hundred and twenty six yards, rushing five hundred
and forty six yards total. Jamison Williams benefited from the change.
He had six catches for a buck nineteen and a touchdown.
It's the second time that he's a clipped one hundred
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yards this year. The first time came in Week two
against the Barrigs, in which he had one hundred and
eight not so pretty in this ball game. Frustration set
in on Derondame, who punched Arman Ross Saint Brown Pain
was ejected. I can see a potential one to two
game suspension coming.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, easy, easy.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
This is not the first time because there was a
situation that he got into it with a teammate. Remember
he got into it with a pieced up on the
side of the D tackle.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I remember that. I remember that. I remember that.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yes, yes, but the NFL is not gonna take into
this I could. I'm saying one to two games, two games.
On the high end, he's getting a minimum of at
least one game.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I say, I say one game. I say one game.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
If it is too it is because he's a repeat
offender in general and just just having issues like this.
You know on the field that they gonna be all right, obviously,
frustrate Frustration said, and I'm not sure what aman Ros
said to him, but it was enough to piss him off.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
It was it was enough to piss off.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Ken Loss said arm and Rob punched them first. What
receiver you know, O, Joe, go punch a D tackle me.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
Me.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
I' whoped, I don't whooped? On on a few people.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I had a fight with Sam Adams in the locker
room back in Cincinnati when he's with us.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Hey, hey, listen to me.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
How many Let me make you question. How many d
tackles on the football field did you put on the field.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Oh no, I ain't do it on the field. I
did all my fighting in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, so pay was rejected.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Jared Goff twenty five three three, twenty three touchdowns, no intercession.
Jamir Gills fifteen carries one forty two two tubs. Montgomery
fifteen fifteen carries seventy one yards, thirty three rush attempts
two twenty six thirty three pass attempts three to twenty.
Arm and Ross Saint Broad Nos j Mo six catches
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a buck nineteen one touchdown. Arm and Ross Saint Bron
had five for fifty eight have a touchdown. Sam la
Porter had five for fifty three. Raymond had four for
forty nine. Marioda was sixteen or twenty two to two
thirteen two touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
Uh, they didn't run the ball particularly well at all
that that.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Uh, listen in order for the command to even have
a chance.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Honestly, I'm just gonna be honest with you, the person
that gives him their best chance to win. Mario is
a good he's a good quarterback. He's a deasy quarterback.
He's a tier He's a Tier two borderline, Tier three quarterback.
In order for the Commanders to have a chance playing
against a team like the Lions that can score well
and put up crazy amount of points, you got to
be able to match that in some way shape form
of fast. You have to be able to match their
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output offensively. And if Jane Damis is not playing, it's
slimming and none unless your defense. Your defense got to
play all out world. They got to play out World.
The goddamn Lions had five hundred and forty six goddamn
yards of offense to day Man, five hundred and forty
six yards of offense. These these are video game numbers
in real life, and this is happening almost every week.
Even sometimes in their losses, they put up crazy numbers.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
There was five.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Get them in troubles when they turn it over, I said, Joe,
turn it over. Remember that's how they lost the gift.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Washington right right right and zero zero turnovers day, zero
turnovers ship third down. They were five or ten and
on four down. Obviously I give I don't give a
god damn what analytics say. Forget what analytics say. Dan
Kampbell is going foot on four down. They were three
on four down to day Y's today. That's that's that's
gonna break you back every time at the defense because
now you you think you're going into a game, you
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want to play well, especially offense like that, you're stopping
on three downs. Boom, You're somewhat happy because you're thinking
of your mind. God damn, we can get off the field.
Now we got a punt. They got a punt, and
here they go fourth and two, fourth and one, shoot
fourth and foe.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Sometimes they going forward.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
Yeah, depending on where they are on there, definitely going
for it.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Down in distance a position on the field, it's more
determining than down in distance. It used to be down
in distance. If it's fourth and short, oh Joe, we're
gonna go for it.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
It could be fourth and four if they plus fifty fifty,
if plus fifty is good when I think they're a
little bit more cautious fourth than anything further than that.
But once they crossed that thirty yard, once they cast
that thirty yards, and yeah, Oh yeah, Hey, it's fo
down territory for them.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Yeah, anything past the thirty it's a rap. They're going forward.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
I agree, I agree, But they look good. I don't
know how long. I don't know we've seen this before.
He took over to play calling from an ex teammate
of mind, Anthony Limb calling, but they were I.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Think they had lost like all the they had lost
a bunch of games that he.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Took the play call it over. So I don't know
if he's going to continue to do that or at
some point in time turn it back over. But I
don't see him turning it back over when they had
this kind of production and this in the rev rams
and the Lions look like the Lions that we thought
they were going to look like with this, with this
arsen the running, the two headed master they got. Gibbs
got speed to Burner absolutely, Montgomery run well between the tackle,
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he can catch the ball. They do a great healthy mix.
Both guys got fifteen carriers. Nobody feels like they're being
left out.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
You know what's funny about that when it comes to
the play calling. Remember I told you when Ben Johnson,
When Ben Johnson left and we talked about what.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
The Lions still looked the same. I said, they still
have the same players. They still have the same players.
And obviously the merry go round of who's going to
call the players and who's not, I think that really
doesn't matter, just about whoever's calling the players, finding a
rhythm and putting those players in position to work. Now,
you got to understand when the Lions do play the
game they played where they didn't look the right, the right,
the way they should all offensively or based on they
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didn't look the way we're used to seeing them. Well, hell,
the other team on the other side of the ball
get paid too. Uh, the team on the other side
of the ball gets paid too.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
And you look at you look at games where the
Eagles have lost.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
We're used to seeing them, seeing them play well, or
say Quan hasn't been going off today.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Well, hell the goddamn the film is out there. Now
we know what to do, we know how to stop them.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
So it's not like they planning against themselves. They're all
playing against other people that get paid millions of dollars
as well, that watch film, that study, that know their tendencies.
So I think it's sometimes I mean, we get caught
up in who's calling the plays where they look this
way because Dan Campbell was called. I really don't think
it really matters much because the personnel they have offensively
is so goddamn good.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
It's so good they gonna just execute whatever you got
damn call. But we used to see.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
But that's the thing though, I think putting putting that
personnel in position, because that was the same personnel they
had before they got what's the guy at New Orleans
now calling the plays? The guy before Kellen Moore didn't
do that with that off. Those the same players. They
didn't go to the Super Bowl. As a matter of fact,
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they fall to down the stretch when Shane Steichen had them.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
They with your super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Shane Steiken has a competent quarterback. Now look at what
they're doing. So yeah, obviously play call players matters. It's
still gyms and Joel's. But somebody got to put those
gyms and Joel's because hey, everybody, everybody got the same
chess piece on the board, but everybody don't know how to.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
Be And yeah, you're right by that.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
And the funny thing this is the good thing about
when you when it comes to your tier wind players
at certain positions when you have those chess pieces, and
some chess pieces are a little better than others where
you lack when it comes to call and plays.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
The chess piece are so good they can overcome that
that bad play calling. They can overcome that bad play calling.
And depending on who the player is.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Hell, it's a lot of receivers that can save a
quarterback that throws bad balls. You know, Yeah, I mean Jack,
I'm trying to say it in that's in that sense.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah, but it's still you're right, it's still it's still
the gyms and the joees. But it definitely helped when
people can put people in position to do what they do.
Because you look at Kellen Moore he in New Orleans,
how they working out for it. He ain't got he
still he running the same offense that he ran in
New Orleans. He called it the same plays, but he
ain't got Jalen Hurts, and he don't got Sa Kwan,
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and he don't got Davante and he don't got a
j So therefore it's not gonna look to say and
that offensive line isn't the same. So with that being said,
you're not gonna get the same results. It's a combination,
but at the end of the day, you the more
good players you have, the better your chances are winning
Charge and beat the Steelers twenty five to ten. Keenan
Allen passes Antonio Gate for the most receptions in Chargers history. Gates,
friend of mine, Pro Football Hall of Famer, had nine
to fifty five and now Keenan Allen has nine to
fifty six. But oh, you're watching this game last night,
last night, night one nighty.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Pure dominance, pure dominance from the Chargers. The Steelers on good.
They're not good enough. Obviously offensively, you can't turn the
ball over. Look, it was a deep the first two quarters.
I was like, okay, this is a good game. It's
it's three to two. You know, defense, both defense playing
extremely well.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Both offices really couldn't get nothing going.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
But at some point the Chargers, you know how they are,
They're gonna keep chipping and chipping and chipping. At some
point that offense is gonna catch fire. They're gonna start
moving the ball. When they're getting the red zone, they
gonna score and put up some points. And the defense
played so well. They had Aaron Rodgers shook that had
him uncomfortable. He rushed and throws some very very bad habits,
even though he is a very good throw at the ball.
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Some very bad habits, causing balls to seal on him,
which were really easy, easy completions, drop passes that ended
up being interceptions. They really couldn't get anything going all
night long. On third down. They goddamn the damn Steelers was.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
What hold on?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I just had it right in front. They were two
for eleven to e eleven.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
But you ain't.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You ain't finna do nothing with that. You're not gonna
do nothing with that at all. So listen, the Chargers
played really well. Even though they the Steelers lost the game.
They are still first in the division.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I think there was not for a much longer though.
The Bengals coming. I'm glad you know that. I'm glad
See I'm glad you and you you know football.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
That's one thing. That's one thing I can say about you.
I don't care what they say, but you know football.
You know the Bengals coming in to take that division over.
So but it listen, No, there's no chance of that.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Ojo. You mentioned that they're not good defensively. If they
can't get to your quarterback, they're very average on the
back end. Let's call it what it is, Chad. I
know y'all like the Steelers, and A and and most
of the people my age, and a lot of they
have a lot of fans they travel with really well.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
But the Steelers aren't good.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
If they can't if those two guys outside can't get
to your quarterback, if they can't attack your quarterback, give it.
Give the quarterback any amount of time, They're either going
to be a completion or it's going to be holding.
That's what it is.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
And their offensive line, the Steelers offensive line isn't good.
Aaron Rodgers is not as mobile as he once was,
so he can't keep continuously getting himself out of arm's way.
He had some bad throws. They sailed on him. He
had DK early in the game. Sell that one. The
other one he hit the guy right between the numbers. Yeah,
often had one slip through his hand to.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Get the pick.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't know why the punt return is trying to
you say and get away, and then you tried to
the ball. You never feel the wall below you waist
if you gotta go down here to catch it. I
tell you know, you don't feel no mo like that.
You've been fielding punts far too long to know. You
don't put you don't take a ball below you waist,
and here you are trying to do something that your
coach not to do, trying to be a hero, and
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guess what, you give them another cheap, easy three points.
But the Steelers just watching the Steelers, and you watch,
like I said, you watch them, and yet they're five
and four, their winning, but they're not good. They don't
have it. They don't have a team that can compete
port Championship. Now, Mike Thomas is gonna go into and
you know, to tell them and give all these great
clubs and these great sound bites, but he know, deep
down they don't have a team that can compete for
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a chance.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
The funny thing about it is they have the players
on paper.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
When when when they got some of the off season
acquisitions that they did get, I was like, okay, the
still is gonna be nice. There still is gonna be
real nice. Obviously getting Jayalen Ramsey, you know, Darius Slay,
big place Slayers there, TJ.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Watt.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
TJ Watt signed, so they got cam Hey, We're done.
I'm like, okay, you know what on all three levels
deep offensively, they gonna be all right. If there is
a weakness, is there is a weak link. It'd probably
be the second level, but they would make up for
that on the back end and up front.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
But listen, let's be real. Those are the names. Those
guys they played good in the Wild Oat Show. Let's
be we're gonna keep it real tonight in night Camp.
But their name still at good that with names. They
got big names. But those guys haven't played well in
a while. That's why they're on other teams.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Man, that's that's that's difficult. I know, I know what
you mean. Ramsey wanted want it out in Miami. He
wanted out of Miami. I thought the Steelers would have
been a great situation for him. I think he's still
wanted the better corners even though he's moved to safety.
You got the experience with Ramsey, then you have big
pay Slay. Yeah, listen, Slay looked good last year's when
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we were in Philly. He played extremely well, played extremely
well in the playoffs as well. So I mean when
you when you say.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, when you had that pass rush, but what happened
when them guys can't get home and you got a
hold just a tad longer. Like I said, if you
look at the names, on paper the names you. Oh,
he in pro Boh he went to the Pro Bowl. Oh,
he went to the Pro Bowl. He's an All Pro.
He did this.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
But all the guys, they haven't played well in a while.
They haven't.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's not to say they weren't good at a at
a particular time, because every guy that you mentioned was,
they were good. They're just not what they once were now.
And that's what the Steelers need. People are not It
used to be a time on Joe, people were in
all names. Now people will make it, will make an
example out of you and usual catapult themselves because of
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your name.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And and people ain't looking well. No.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
All I know is like Paul Pierce told me, he said,
look I beat stepping the three point competition. I say, man,
that man was this rookie year with he Steph Curry?
Is he the greatest shoot the ball tap? I don't
know how he was, Okay, Ain't nobody gonna care? Man,
This guy was in his thirteenth year, this guy was
in his eleven year. All I know was that who
you said he was. They're not good, They're not. They're
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just not. And and and at some point in time,
we just got that. We gotta call it. We gotta
call it like we see it. They got good, they
got big names. But if what and hot Smith can't
get home, if that front, if that front can't get
home because they got heat bringing, they got a couple
of other guys. If those guys don't don't get home,
oh that ball getting completed on the back end. It's
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really that simple. It's really that simple. But they're not close, Ocho,
They're not. They're not. I mean, look at this. They
had eleven first downs. There are two eleven On third down,
they had two hundred and twenty one yards of hold on.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
That's Aaron Rodgers at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, he had he had.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
They had the ball, Ocho, they had the ball for
twenty He.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Had a bad day.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
He had a bad dead office. He had a bad
dead office. It happens, happened to It happens to the
best of us. It happened to some of the better teams,
as we'll talk about later on in the show, team
that we expect to play well. I expected this to
be probably one of the better games today out of
the I to one of the better games. It's just
it's just the funny thing about the NFL. The funny
thing about the NFL, it's just you get games like
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this where you're expecting to be not not a blowout,
but you expected it to be exciting. You expected to
be yes, yes, you're going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
And it just wasn't that. It just didn't give that.
So it's it's weird. It's weird how it's really really.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Weird how that works week the week where you can
never you can never really guarantee what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I don't know what the Steelers were thinking. I don't
know that they were supposed to being played for Waddle
And there are a couple of other receivers they should
have been in play for. But they should have because
really they don't have but one guy and and and
and if he can't complete the ball to to d K,
it ain't getting completed the other the other the other
guys are just guys. There, they're guys. They're there, They're
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there three twos, lord twos, threes.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
But sometimes you got to win with that, sometimes those twos.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
And you ain't win no championship with that.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
What you mean, they have to make plays, They got
to catch the ball. This is the NFL. Every team
can't have can't have one on one twos. You just can't.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
You have to do.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
You have to make do with what you got.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So it's up to those players, the Calvin Austin's, you know,
anyone outside of DK, the tight ends they have, they
have to make those plays.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, you need Steve Austin, the six million dollar man
in Pittsburgh, if you're gonna make some plays with what
they got. Because Aaron is not what he once was.
He can't move around like he was the like he
once did. He's not as accurate as he once was
because he's you're forcing him to move. I mean, Aaron
Rodgers thrown interception. Man, there were there were times Aaron
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Rodgers threw four interceptions in a season. He's got four
in the last two games. We never this ain't Aaron
Rodgers that were used to seeing, Yeah, he could have.
The thing is Ojoe And I've said this having been
having a player that played really good when I was
young and as I started to get older. The thing
that I tell people, you can have a big game,
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you just can't have them with the regularity you did
when you were in your prime. And we've seen Aaron
Rodgers have games that remind you that is the old
Aaron Rodgers. But they just don't come with the frequency
like they once did.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
And that's what they need. They needed Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
They need MVP Aaron Rodgers that could carry an average
or mediocre defense. He can't do that now, as guys
get no what do they need, O Joe? What did
Tom Brady need? Tom Brady the guys that could elevate
him he needed. He needed a Godwin, He needed Mike Evans,
he needed a Kdart and he needed Gronk to come back.
He needed and Antonio Brown, those guys that he once
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won win and New England had gotten old and they
could no longer do. He could no longer elevate them.
So now I need you to help pull me because
I can't pull you guys no more. I can't carry
you no more. That's okay. But if the Steelers weren't
but was gonna stand pad with what they had, There's
no way they thought that was good enough to win.
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No way, no way.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Listen, we we halfway we halfway through the season. They've
They've had they had some good games. They have some
games where they played well, then they have some some
some shitty games like to night. I mean, you're gonna
have gay. You want to be as consistent as possible.
You want to be as consistent as possible, and being
hitting your stride. You want to hit the stride offensively
and defensely at the right time. You don't want to
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peak too early, you want to peak too soon. You
want to hit it at the right time. I still
think they do have a chance. The fact that they
are still first in the division. They they they got
to play better. They got to play better.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
We've seen we've seen teams have games like this and
then hit it right when it counts and when it
matters most.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
But we've seen them skate by a couple of victories
that they could have eaten. I mean, I don't think
there were any games that they they they they lost
that they should have won. But we've seen some games
that they want They should have lost that jet game
if that guyumber that ball.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
But it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
We'll see there are nine games. If they played nine games,
they're five and four, there's eight games left. I don't
I don't believe they can hold the Ravens off with
the raven with the way the Ravens are currently playing.
With Lamar playing at the level of which he's playing,
I don't think they can hold him off.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
For you, you know, i'mnna let you have that one.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I'm gonna let you have that one because I was
gonna mention who they actually played and the team they
actually played did a phenomenal job today and it's a
reason why they're probably gonna win the AFC East and
rejuvenize their season.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
If you can who you can hear.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
The afcast. That's New England's Division. That's New England.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Division times eight games left.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Oh Joe Eagles ten, Packers seven. A scoreless first half,
the first time in nearly two years that the NFL
has had a scoreless first half, but the Eagles make
enough plays. A big play over the top of thirty
six yards Jayalen hurts to Devonte Smith, former teammates at
the University of Alabama, and that was really the difference
in the ball game as they win ten to seven.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Oh Joa, I'm gonna let you take it go ahead.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Unless you're a defensive guy. Unless you're a defensive guy,
that's the only way.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Your microphone where you're not we could give muffled.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Oh shoot, hey, I'm glad. Yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I'm glad. I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You said something.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Can you give me now?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, yeah, I say, unless you're a defensive guy, that's
the only way you enjoyed this game.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's the only way you enjoyed this game. You expect
you expect a lot of you expect a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Of points, especially from the Green Bay Packers the way
we talked about them before the season started, with all
the weapons that they had have, Jordan Love actually continuing
to get better, you know, uh, year to year, and
it was bad.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
It was bad. Sat Quan almost got loose a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So I expected him to finally make make make his
uh his visit to the party and having a big
game and do some and yeah, and do some of
the things that Jonathan Taylor has been doing as of late.
But that didn't happen. It was a close game. It
was a game where the team with the fewest mistakes
was going to win. The team with the fewest mistakes
were going to win, and in the end, there was
an opportunity for Green Bay to be able to tie it,
(13:31):
and it just it just didn't happen they missed. I'm
not sure if you enjoyed this game. Maybe maybe you
might have liked it, uh, based based.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
On what you saw.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
But I'm not gonna call it the snooze fest because
I was hyped before the game started. Oh my goodness,
the Packers playing, Oh, the Eagles playing, it's gonna I
thought maybe it would have been a ball, it's gonna
be a barn burner.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
But hey, it was.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
It was upsetting.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Uh yeah, it left a lot to be desire. I mean,
we're thinking about two teams, two quarterbacks that's been to
the Pro Bowl. One quarterback that's one that's won a
Super Bowl. He's been a Super Bowl MVP. I don't
think either quarterback played particularly well in this game. I
thought Jalen Hursts made the throws that he needed to make,
especially that big one to the Vonta Smith could have
put a nice a ribbon on that a bowl, a
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nice bowl on the box had he hit to drop
that one in the bucket to aj Aj, I don't
care what y'all say, Eagles fan, ain't no way aj
coming back next year. But we'll talk about that a
little another day in time.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I just I just don't get Jordan Love, the mistakes
that he makes. They got to throw him seven you run,
you run the over concept. I'm gonna dangle this cheese
out here in front of you hoping somebody go to
the short route.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Boy, don't you throw it? They did. The Eagles play
it exactly how you draw it up.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
They jumped, They dump musk Grave on the on the
short route, and you got the end cut coming in
behind him for the first down, and he takes the
seven yards when you need nine. I'm confused, bro, And
and I was like, damn, I wonder what Laflour is thinking.
And then he went and looked at it on the eyepad.
He said, you got to be eating me, you got
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to be hitting me. And then he's getting I mean,
he steps up in the pocket instead of all these
guys breaking free all I mean, he got the shot
across breaking free, he got the end cut breaking free,
he got the over breaking free, and it takes off running.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Like he lamar Jackson, bro, throw the ball, oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, the contract that he got, he earned that. But
he's not meaning expectations of what they happened. And I
told you, I said, even with this Michael trade. Are
we sure they're better than the Rams?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I'll ask you that. I said, oh yo, are we sure? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And that was a hard one back then to answer
that question. Honestly it was.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
It was a hard one, especially, you know, with the
way the season started, the expectations that they did have,
and the expectations that we had watching Jordan Love and
what he's been able to do as of late.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I mean you you would think, hell, they're gonna be
right down and running.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
George Love is just a little bit too inconsistent for
my fancy and the throws that he's missing. Ohoe, if
that's a rookie quarterback or second year quarterback, I'll kind
of give him a little lead. Yeah, I kind of
give him a little grace. But when you've a Pro
Bowl quarterback, when you have the level expectations, when you've
earned the money that you're making, you can't make those mistakes.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You get in facked and you're gonna do what you do.
You try to pack the ball to Josh Jacob. Josh Jacob, Okay,
they coming on the bliz. You hit the guy, leak out,
either breakout or break in. You can't keep straight up
the field. Bro, you gotta give him an anger to
throw you the football. This is why I can't coach Ojo.
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Some things they shouldn't have to tell you. You know,
damn well, Josh Jacobs, you're not gonna run no route.
If you sleeping out and you're gonna keep straight up
the field, you're gonna break out or you're gonna break
in because you gotta ge even I ain't gonna throw
you the football, so I don't. I don't blame Jordan
Love for that, for missing that throw, because they're like, bro,
if you break out, you give me. I mean, think
about it. You got bron on your hip, you catch this,
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ain't no telling how far are you gonna go. The
Eagles the one thing they're gonna do, they're gonna make plays.
They're gonna find a way to get the ball. I
thought green May did a great job of Jalen Hurst.
Get the ball, gets going, get picked up a big
and the guy comes in punches it out. I was like, Okay,
Green Bay, you might be onto something, but you know
you've got to protect the ball for four quarters when
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you play the Eagles, because they're very opportunistic. They'll find
a way to get the ball out. Oh Joe, I
just need you to help me with one thing, and
then I'm gonna let you go take it. It's fourth
and one. Why are you trying to go in a
hurry when you've already got first? Of all, they missed
your first the first ball start on the quarterbacks sneak
in the first quarter. They missed that one. The damn
show missed the one of the twis push. I'm trying
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to figure out, how can I see things in real time?
The official that the damn game can't. We'll get to
that in a minute.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
And then that's a they're not supposed to call it.
They're not.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
He got fourth and one. This is the money down.
Take the time out.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Give me your best fourth and one, Give me your
best fourth Okay, what do we like on fourth and one?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
What do you a, Jordan? What do you like on
fourth and one? We got three options right here? I
like this. Which one do you like? Receiver? Hm?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
When they go when they go double tight, when they
go jumbo formation. They got four line, they got one
center guard, tackle, extra offensive lineman. That extra offensive lineman
is a tight end. You got to back your ass up.
You're the Z receiver.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
The guy to the open side. Now he's the ex receiver.
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Boy, look here, Sometimes, oh Joe, what I get upset about?
Sometimes I'll be watching these guys play. If dynamite was brained,
they couldn't blow the nose. Looking here, This is why chat.
I mean, it's common sense. Oh Joe, you've got an
extra lineman.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
He's on the ball. He's not a tight end. You
got the back off. Yeah, the open side is not
the ex receiver. M hm.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
It's just it's just common it's just so. It it
may maybe maybe it's me because some things you just like,
Oh Joe, it's just calmon knowledge. I could just like
really think on the fly and just like, Okay, I'm
supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
On the ball.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I made the mistake one time and it cost us
a big play, and I promise I'd never be in
that situation again. I know who's supposed to be on
the ball, But if he lines up on the ball,
oh Joe, ain't no harm, no power. I'll back up
off the ball. Instead of having a play where now
all of a sudden we have an illegal formation because
me I'm supposed to be on the ball, you're supposed
to be on the nah nah na na, you get
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on the ball, I'll get off a lot of times. Yeah,
I like to be on the ball. A lot of times.
Guys don't like to be on the ball because you're
closer to the defender. I like building the ball because
it's gonna give me an opportunity to get my hands
on you, because I'm gonna throw you ass.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
You know you know what that tells me too, unk.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
After after one, two, three, three, four, four days to prepare,
after three days of two days of real of real
practice fridays of fast Friday, I mean one day of
fast Friday.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That that actual play that they did call.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
On that fourth and one is one that they didn't
go over many times, one that they didn't rehearse very
many times. One that they didn't go through and walk
through on Saturday on Saturday mornings. You know when we
talk about situational football in cases comes up on four down,
and these are the players we choose from.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
This is the alignment that we need.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
That's that's why that why are you, oh Joe, this
is the most important. This is this is for the game.
Oh yeah, why would you watch it?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Would I would rather take a time out because the
likelihood of you getting the ball back if and if
you do get the ball back, oh your you're not
gonna get it back with a whole bunch of time.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
So now, and you look at the position that you're in,
Look where you are, bro, I'm like, you got to
be kidding me. You rush that on fourth and one Normally,
O Joe.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
If I'm gonna invest something, and this is my last,
I ain't your fit, put it round right there, Ojo.
I'm gonna think about this. Okay, let me think about this. Okay,
this is my absolute last.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Here you got and it got to be, got to be,
got to.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Be the best option. I mean, the Eagles the one
thing they don't they don't they're not gonna do. And
you can think about, Sirianni whatever you want. They're not
gonna beat themselves. They're not gonna beat themselves. They're gonna
line up properly. Then line is gonna be where they're
supposed to be. If a guy's on the ball, he's
gonna be on the ball. If the guy's off the ball,
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he's gonna be off the ball. Defensively, they're gonna be
where they're supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I watched the situation where they had they ran twenty
two many, they ran what we call cover five.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Ojoe went to too man. Man I watched my Mitchell
m man. I thought it was a Congo movie. Roo
dns ain't movee ha ha ha ha ha ha ain't
moved nowhere. Oh damn sir, oh j don't laugh back
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man oh Joe ha ha ha. And he ain't moved quick.
Mitchell stabbed it with one and he just standing up roll.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
You got to be all that dancing is fine if
you're at the disco, but when you're on the football field,
you got to be moving forward because the quarterback is
come as he's going back and you're still at the
line of scrimmage. And remember we had the conversation Josh
Jacobs said, we need a dog. We got some good
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reading it and and all the receivers got mad and
they need a dog go to they need to go.
They got they got this, they got good, they got
quality receivers. I think Watson is the best, but he
can't stay healthy. He got so much speed, he got hamstring,
he had his knee. He can't stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Well, listen, listen what we're looking for when we talk
about a dog. They have such good quality wide receivers
that are really good at doing different things. All this,
all these little fine tuning up. It ain't nothing but
a little fine.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
But they need to come see you so they can
get they can find tune it.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Hey, and let me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Everybody, every if you think about it, everybody came to
that wide receiver workshop and July. You see what they're
doing this year, right, hey, j JSN. JSN had my
eyes wide open being able to see him in person there.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I saw him at Ohio State. I seen him at
the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
You know, I saw him.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I saw him saw him.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
A little a little bit last year. But I was
not expecting this. I didn't expect what I'm seeing now,
you know. And just listen, Dobbs Wicks, Jayden Reed, come
on back down here, man, bringing boys with you. Man,
let's politic together. Continue to work on our craft, continue
to work on our game and get better for situations
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like today, For Knights.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Like today, we're plays where plays.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Don't come often, and the ones that you do make
you got to make a difference. These are the reasons
why you get paid the million. These type of games
are the reasons why you get paid the big bucks.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Look for me, I think the way the Eagles are
gonna have to win, They're gonna have to win the
game more on Jalen Hurt's arms than say one legs
as opposed to.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Where it was last year. Teams are not gonna let
him run wild.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Last year, it seemed like every game we've coming out
here and we're like, man, how y'all keep letting this
man hit his head on the goal post from sixty ye,
how y'all let him hit his goal ahead on the
goal post twice from fifty plus.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Now there's like, we're gonna shut this water off.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You're gonna have to get water elsewhere, and elsewhere is
gonna be in the form of Jalen Hurts, his legs
and his arms. But they do a great job. Jalen
is rare that Hurts turns the ball over. They got
it out the night. You know, they got him going
down and then boom, dude get it with the peanut punch.
Did a great job of getting it out. But if
I'm the Packers, the pack it's a team game. But
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you know, the frustration is starting to get built, O
Joe bro We held that team to ten points. We
held that team to ten points. We held Sa Kwan
Barkley to sixty yards. We held the quarterback to under
two hundred yards passing. That's gotta be enough. Well it
wasn't enough. So you're gonna have to find ways that Like,
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you're gonna have to create more turnovers. You're gonna have
to put him. You're gonna have to put the opposing
quarterback under the rest. Now, great, that's a good offensive line.
The big right tackle he got nicked, came out. But
you see when the rubber needed to meet the roll
on that fourth down, he brought his ass back in
the game because Lane Johnson, because that's how much it
means to it. But this this Green this Green Bay
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Packers team. Man, they got to do some soul searching
because the Lions, Hey, hold on, they got they played
the Lions on Thanksgiving, don't they. I think that's the
Thanksgiving Day game?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I believe. So, yes, three games that the.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Packers, Packers, they got at Giants, they got at the Vikings,
at home at Lions on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Hey, and just so you know, they got the Bearers twice.
The barriers ain't no easy winning.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Oh no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And you go to Denver.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Where they're gonna they gonna be, they gonna be.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
You see that pass rush? Who you think got a
better pass rush? U should eat us? Are the Eagles?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I mean with you?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You know, you know the Broncos pass rushes exactly?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Hey about forget the pass rush, defense, defense as a
whole and on all they got.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
The rated the game and the Vikings aginion.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
The Eagles remaining schedule Lions at home at Cowboys, Bears
at home at Chargers, Raiders at home at Commanders at Bills.
Oh Joe, we talked about this last night. We didn't
see it coming so soon, but the Giants head coach
Brian Dayball has been relieved of his duties after blowing
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another double digit lead Sunday in Chicago. Giants co owner
John Mara and Steve Tisch said today, the past few
seasons have been nothing short of disappointing, and we have
not met our expectation for this franchise. We understand the
frustration of our fans, and we will work to deliver
significant improved product. Assistant coach Offensive coordinator Mike Kafka will
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serve as the Giants enem head coach. Day Ball twenty
forty and one. As Giants head coach, his three thirty
six winning percentage puts him behind Ben Ben MCADOUDEO he had,
but you cheesecake factory, that big menu he had and
Ray Perkins Uh fired two of UH fired two of
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the three head coach coordinators and flip flop play calling
with others replaced five or nine position coach started seven
different quarterbacks, had a renting record with none of them.
He's fired as the Giants because he didn't win. This
really is really that simple, No owners, John Marren, Steve
Tish you fail. How's the general manager still there because
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he hired him? How's he still there? Daniel Jones is gone?
Say Kwan Barkley is gone. He drafted Evan Neil so yes,
So you think you're gonna get an improved product when
when the general manager, the guy that's making all the decisions,
he's still there. I'm not saying Brian dave Balls should
or should not have been fired. That's we can we'll
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discuss that a minute. But I'm trying to figure out
how saw shown has been able to keep his damn job.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Hey, And honestly, regards of what coach comes in there,
they're probably gonna get fired. They've gone through multiple coaches. Yeah,
they've gone through They've been going through multiple coaches, and
for for Brian da've All to get fired, it's kind
of somewhat understandable. He's he's had leading games and multiple
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games this season. He had leading games early in the
game and they lost on the back. They lost on
the back game. It's about bad game that they should
have continued to be able to have some type of
success after having the leads they've had, and they squand
did every everyone.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You mean, you didn't win not one of those.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I think they had leads going into the fourth quarter, right, yes,
I mean they had a twenty six eight, twenty six
nine lead over the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
They had a twenty ten lead over the Bears.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
They had to lead with the Cowboys with like fourteen
second The game comes on a big, big field goal
and they end up winning in an overtime.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, oh here it is. Week two.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
They led thirteen three, lost forty to thirty seven. At
the Saints, they led fourteen to three, lost twenty six
fourteen the Broncos. They led twenty six to eight, lost
thirty three thirty two with the Bears, and they led.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Twenty to ten, lost twenty four to twenty.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, and one thing about it, we always say coaches coaches, coaches, coaches,
coaches coach. You could have one hundred coaches, one hundred
different coaches coming there, and all one hundred are gonna
get fired.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, all one hundred are gonna get fired.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
And listen, some accountability has to be put on put
on the players as well, you know, but obviously the
coaching staff too.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
And the one person who is se overseas all that
is Brian. So at this point it was time.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
No, Brian, don't coach the team. He ain't got no say.
He probably didn't have any say over the final fifty three.
He probably had no say in free agency, He probably
had no say in the Dragon. He happy to have
a job.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Hold on.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
So it sounds like somebody they running shover there like
like like that, like that team they got.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yes, yes, yes, that's why I laughed when Jerry told
about he thought about how and Sean Payton, Man, you
actually think Sean Payton's gonna come in there and the
only thing he's gonna be a the coach. He ain't
gonna have no sale on the final fifty three. He's
not gonna have any saye over the draft. He's not
gonna have any sale free agency. He's just gonna stand
there coach, and then when things go wrong, they gonna
blame him, just like all.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
The coaches he fired.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
How many coaches that he had since he fired Jimmy
Uh who took up at the gym with it?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
He had who's that? Dave Campo?
Speaker 1 (31:39):
He had Dave Campo, He had a Chan Galen who
was my old position coach. He had Wade Filmer, Jason Garrett, uh,
Mike McCarthy. Now he's probably had more than that right
until damn. You know, hey, John, May you know what
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I mean? You know, when you have a lot to
say about what the fans, what the fans was saying,
because you was reading all their mail when they was
calling in and talking about camp and all that. You
read the mail. Let's read some of the mail with
what they said about you. See if they're happy with
you and what you've been able to do with this franchise. Yeah,
because y'all, y'all look y'all they have been close since
y'all got rid of it, says Eli retired your your
(32:24):
bungle dad. Eli had all those consecutive starts. Then you
start Geno and then you start Eli gehning after you
to break the man streak.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
And they did that the you know, you know, you
know what they don't Bart Barry.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Swift Swisser came after Jimmy, So it's Baron Swifzer. Then
I think it was Parcels Campbell. Oh they had ten
coach Okay, so Jimmy Johnson, Barry Swizzer, Chan Gaily, Dave Campbo,
Bill par Sells, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, Brian shot.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Jimmy Johnson had a five fifty five fifty winning percentage,
Barrets Twists had sixty twenty five. Chan Gaily was eighteen
and fourteen, Dave Campo was fifteen and thirty three fifteen
to thirty three, Bill Parcells was thirty four and thirty.
Waye Fellis was thirty four and twenty two. Jason Garrett
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was eighty five and sixty seven, Mike McCarthy was forty
nine and thirty five, and Brian Schottenheimer right now is
three five and one.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
No, but no.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
But what we're saying is is that ownership plays a
large part in the success of a team.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I'm glad you just said that. Look at all the
teams that consistently win the Chiefs, Look at the chief
Look at the Ravens, Look at the Patriots. Yep, the Ravens. Well,
obviously I'm gonna throw the package in there, because they're
winning organization, not actually not actually no getting Lombardi trophies,
but always being, always being in contention.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Always being in contenttion.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And another thing, if one thing that can overcome bad
ownership is a great quarterback.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
When you got to pick him, and sometimes they'll mess
that up.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Hey, yeah, that too, but having it, having a great
having an elite quarterback, and overcome some of the bad
decision making that happens all the way up.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I think the problem that coach dabar ran into Ojo
is that he realized early on the only guy that
can save my job is the quarterback that we drift
h in the first round. But in the process of
doing that, he put him in harm's weight, because Ojo,
if I'm drowning, I don't give a damn by driving
you to save myself, I'm I'm trying to keep my
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head above water. So if that means you got to
go down, I got to stand on your shoulders so big.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
And that's what he did.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
He put this kid in harm's way because he's trying
to save his job. At the end of the today, Yeah,
I drafted him.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Hell I want to coach him mm hm.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
And so in the process of putting him in the
arms way, he subjected him to some hips Jackson Dart
and I said this, And now I was early on
man the chat. They always want to let somebody live. Now,
you got your guy in the blue tent damn near
every game because you.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Want to let him live. You like that fire. I
want my quarterback to have the energy.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Okay, now look at your quarterback, y'all still like that
Giants player, because you had a lot to say.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I said, you can't run like that. You can't.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You can't have your quarterback being susceptible to those kind
of hits.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
That's why they're protecting his ass in the pocket. Once
he leave the pocket, t if on him. He's a
running back. Now look at him. But y'all had a
lot to say if we ain't had that kind of
energy in a long time, and you might not have
it again.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Hey listen honestly too. And as a as a fan
of the game, well, watching Jackson Dart once he came
in that Yes, absolutely be smart you do now that comes,
that comes on him and that gonna come. He's gonna
get that with experience and understanding. You got to pick
and choose your battles. And when you picks me better,
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you got to pick them wide.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Well. I hope they not conscend into it because big
damn is gonna knock tomorrows out of it.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Oh yeah, you got you gotta make business decisions.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
You got them make business decisions when you got that
ball in hands and you cross that threshold and you
become a runner.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Man, Aden, Boys is not playing with you out there. Man,
this is not college.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
The grown men.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
They're trying to break you because that's the opportunity because
they can't hit your ass in the pocket like they
want to. But what they can do is t off
on your ass when you're out of the pocket. But
they give you something called a protection where you can
slide and they can't touch it. Now you try to
be a hero. And I get all that. You you
get up and get the five, get the first down,
and you do all this and you get the crowd
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and all that. Okay, Okay, billy bad ass, I've seen it.
I know what they're gonna do. Yeah, Quarterbacks are not
used to taking hits like that. They're not built to
take hits like that. So why would you subject yourself
to taking that kind of punishment? Oh, Joe, You're not
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gonna take that kind of punishment.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And it's a funny thing about it. And some of
the play call it ain't helping. No, some of the
play calling. I'm trying to save my damn self. So
if you drive in the process, so big.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
On, Joe.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, as long as you save my ass.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Why do you think he calling those flames? O Joe?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And and I get it, I get it, But Jackson
dark needs to be smarter and they need to put
an emphasis on it.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Also, Hey Son, get down, you get the first down.
I get it. It's it's Kyle. Crowd gets energized with
the crowd to get you fed up, get.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
You, They get you trying to do trying to do it,
trying to do what they want.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, you're you're exactly right. Let me ask you a question,
don't Joe, who you think will be a good fit?
Who do you think will be a good fit for
the Giants?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
M hm okay, I see how much money they take
from your New York you're back? Oh one point five me?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
You bring home seven money forty seven thousand.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Let me can I can I coach from Vegas? I
do have all about meeting from Zoom.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I'm trying to think of a collegiate coach that would
resonate very well with grown men that are in the
inner hell.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Uh brother, Lane Kiffin, Lane, you like John Gruden?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Oh, Lane Kiffing and John Gruden. That's that's the only
two I can think of off the top of my head.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Mike McCarthy, I heard Mike McCarthy ain't thrown around? What about?
What about?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
For for that city though, that city, that city needed
a coach like a Lane kiff and and John Crew.
And that's a little bit fiery, you know, a little
bit has has a little personality to him.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
For Washington.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
He was the head coach in uh in Arizona, Cliff Kingsbury.
What about Cliff Kingsbury. Now, he normally works really well
with mobile, athletic quarterbacks. We saw again with Kyle we
saw what he did with what he's done for Jalen
Jane Daniels. But would he worked with the Jackson dark
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guy that's mobile, not quite as athletic as Daniels and
and and Kyler.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
But that might that a.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Well, I mean, the thing is it might be a
part of I mean, u the question is his thing
is they threw it out because you know, the commissioner
wanted to hear it like, no, you're not finna do that.
You're not finna be the arbitrate the man soon you
and you hear your own no hell now. So the
question is with the NFL, how's that gonna play out?
Because this thing is going to court. So do they
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get a settlement and a part of the settlement he
can come back and coach or is it a situation
where you we're gonna give you money and you you done.
You can cover the league, but you're not gonna coach
in the league.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I like the I like the John Gruden rote John
Gruden and obviously Lane Kevin who coaching in college?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I think, did you just not hear what I said?
He has a pending lawsuit against the NFL.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Uh. Let me let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
There's certain there's certain rules that have been regardless of
stuff like that going on. They can make it happen.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
If the NFL says we're gonna offer you a settlement,
but you cannot coach in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Oh okay, well hell you know who else had depending
that hasn't had a lawsuit against the NFL and it's
still coaching.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Brian Florid.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah over there, Yeah, yeah, he's coaching.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Is he a head coach? Okay?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Now the question is he's had good defenses? You think
he's gonna get a job with that lawsuit? Who's gonna hire?
Because you do realize if he sue the league, who
is he suing?
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Suing? What are those owners all?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
The one of the owners?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, so it's gonna be a very interesting situation to
see how this plays out. It's kind of like, oh, Joe,
I got a lawsuit to get you, but I want
my job back. Nah, you go ahead and take this money,
go ahead on you ain't getting no job back.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Hey, But honestly knowing, knowing, knowing how the NFL works,
understanding the ecosystem that they do have, that that that
brotherhood they have.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Amongst each other.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
I could still see, you know, things working itself out
in ways we won't be able to explain.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Well, if the lawsuit goes away, it'll be explained. But
it's just hard for me to see a scenario. Oh,
tere this man dot he wants sixty He wont one
hundred million. They said, you ruined my reputation by leaking
this stuff, right, and you cost me sixty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Sixty seventy million dollars that was left on my contract?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Oh all that was aw that's off the tape.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
He signed a ten year, one hundred million dollar deal.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
A hundred million dollar deal. Yeah, I remember that, but
I thought he was still getting paid.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
For You don't get it. They bought they bought anything.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Is Mark Davis didn't want to He said he didn't
want to, said the NFL.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Forced him to force him to do it.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Yeah. Uh, who else?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I hear people talk about Clint Kubiak, the offensive the
offensive coordinator could get Yeah, he was the offensive coordinator
and Minnesota last year with who was his quarterback in Minnesota? Sam,
he's the offensive coordinating in Seattle. Who's his quarterback?
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Oh, Sam Donald, It's funny. It's funny how that work too.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Ain't going to get some strong consideration?
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Yeah, coach, Hey, Clint, let me get let me let
me get a job.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Do you really you have to understand also, Clint has
to look at the landscape of the New York Giants.
Understand what you're working with, Understand what you had. When
he was out there in Minnesota, it made things easy,
you know, understand and understand the weapons you have around you.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Now that you are over there and god Damnattle, Seattle.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, now do you do you want to come and
and and start all over in New York? You do
have Jackson Dart who was very exciting. Scatterbole would be
back next year. Malik neighbors but he she should be.
He should be fine by the start of the season.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
On Malik, Yeah, he should be. He definitely should be.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
But here's the thing to yo, oh Joe, that's still
a gold standard franchise. And my first head coaching job
is gonna be with the New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Who turns that down.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
No, you just about it.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You just saw. What's the guy that was at Philly
last year? Yeah, he was at He was at Dallas
OC for a long time. Kellen Moore came, Oh Joe,
he took New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
He took the New Orleans job.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
I give it a choice, take New Orleans or you're
taking the Giants. The Lions meeting the Commanders forty four
to twenty two. Dan Campbell resumed took over pay play
calling duties from first year off has the coordinator John
Morton this past week and it ignited it dominant when
Campbell said he met with Morton for an honest conversation
(44:58):
to discuss some changes. Last Monday, a day after stunning
Home lost to the Minnesota Vikings, things looked a lot
different on the Fieldow Show. Detroit racked up a season
high two hundred and twenty six yards, rushing five hundred
and forty six yards total. Jamison Williams benefited from the change.
He had six catches for a buck nineteen and a touchdown.
It's the second time that he's a clipped one hundred
(45:20):
yards this year. The first time came in Week two
against the Barrigs, in which he had one hundred and
eight not so pretty in this ball game. Frustration set
in on Derondame, who punched Arman Ross Saint Brown Pain
was ejected. I can see a potential one to two
game suspension coming.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
Yeah, easy, easy.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
This is not the first time because there was a
situation that he got into it with a teammate. Remember
he got into it with a pieced up on the
side of the D tackle.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I remember that. I remember that. I remember that.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yes, yes, but the NFL is not gonna take into
this I could. I'm saying one to two games, two games.
On the high end, he's getting a minimum of at
least one game.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I say, I say one game. I say one game.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
If it is too it is because he's a repeat
offender in general and just just having issues like this.
You know on the field that they gonna be all right, obviously,
frustrate Frustration said, and I'm not sure what aman Ros
said to him, but it was enough to piss him off.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
It was it was enough to piss off.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Ken Loss said arm and Rob punched them first. What
receiver you know, O, Joe, go punch a D tackle me.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
Me.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
I' whoped, I don't whooped? On on a few people.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I had a fight with Sam Adams in the locker
room back in Cincinnati when he's with us.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Hey, hey, listen to me.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
How many Let me make you question. How many d
tackles on the football field did you put on the field.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Oh no, I ain't do it on the field. I
did all my fighting in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, so pay was rejected.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Jared Goff twenty five three three, twenty three touchdowns, no intercession.
Jamir Gills fifteen carries one forty two two tubs. Montgomery
fifteen fifteen carries seventy one yards, thirty three rush attempts
two twenty six thirty three pass attempts three to twenty.
Arm and Ross Saint Broad Nos j Mo six catches
(47:24):
a buck nineteen one touchdown. Arm and Ross Saint Bron
had five for fifty eight have a touchdown. Sam la
Porter had five for fifty three. Raymond had four for
forty nine. Marioda was sixteen or twenty two to two
thirteen two touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
Uh, they didn't run the ball particularly well at all
that that.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Uh, listen in order for the command to even have
a chance.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Honestly, I'm just gonna be honest with you, the person
that gives him their best chance to win. Mario is
a good he's a good quarterback. He's a deasy quarterback.
He's a tier He's a Tier two borderline, Tier three quarterback.
In order for the Commanders to have a chance playing
against a team like the Lions that can score well
and put up crazy amount of points, you got to
be able to match that in some way shape form
of fast. You have to be able to match their
(48:08):
output offensively. And if Jane Damis is not playing, it's
slimming and none unless your defense. Your defense got to
play all out world. They got to play out World.
The goddamn Lions had five hundred and forty six goddamn
yards of offense to day Man, five hundred and forty
six yards of offense. These these are video game numbers
in real life, and this is happening almost every week.
Even sometimes in their losses, they put up crazy numbers.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
There was five.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Get them in troubles when they turn it over, I said, Joe,
turn it over. Remember that's how they lost the gift.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Washington right right right and zero zero turnovers day, zero
turnovers ship third down. They were five or ten and
on four down. Obviously I give I don't give a
god damn what analytics say. Forget what analytics say. Dan
Kampbell is going foot on four down. They were three
on four down to day Y's today. That's that's that's
gonna break you back every time at the defense because
now you you think you're going into a game, you
(49:01):
want to play well, especially offense like that, you're stopping
on three downs. Boom, You're somewhat happy because you're thinking
of your mind. God damn, we can get off the field.
Now we got a punt. They got a punt, and
here they go fourth and two, fourth and one, shoot
fourth and foe.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Sometimes they going forward.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
Yeah, depending on where they are on there, definitely going
for it.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Down in distance a position on the field, it's more
determining than down in distance. It used to be down
in distance. If it's fourth and short, oh Joe, we're
gonna go for it.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
It could be fourth and four if they plus fifty fifty,
if plus fifty is good when I think they're a
little bit more cautious fourth than anything further than that.
But once they crossed that thirty yard, once they cast
that thirty yards, and yeah, Oh yeah, Hey, it's fo
down territory for them.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Yeah, anything past the thirty it's a rap. They're going forward.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
I agree, I agree, But they look good. I don't
know how long. I don't know we've seen this before.
He took over to play calling from an ex teammate
of mind, Anthony Limb calling, but they were I.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Think they had lost like all the they had lost
a bunch of games that he.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Took the play call it over. So I don't know
if he's going to continue to do that or at
some point in time turn it back over. But I
don't see him turning it back over when they had
this kind of production and this in the rev rams
and the Lions look like the Lions that we thought
they were going to look like with this, with this
arsen the running, the two headed master they got. Gibbs
got speed to Burner absolutely, Montgomery run well between the tackle,
(50:26):
he can catch the ball. They do a great healthy mix.
Both guys got fifteen carriers. Nobody feels like they're being
left out.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
You know what's funny about that when it comes to
the play calling. Remember I told you when Ben Johnson,
When Ben Johnson left and we talked about what.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
The Lions still looked the same. I said, they still
have the same players. They still have the same players.
And obviously the merry go round of who's going to
call the players and who's not, I think that really
doesn't matter, just about whoever's calling the players, finding a
rhythm and putting those players in position to work. Now,
you got to understand when the Lions do play the
game they played where they didn't look the right, the right,
the way they should all offensively or based on they
(51:01):
didn't look the way we're used to seeing them. Well, hell,
the other team on the other side of the ball
get paid too. Uh, the team on the other side
of the ball gets paid too.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
And you look at you look at games where the
Eagles have lost.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
We're used to seeing them, seeing them play well, or
say Quan hasn't been going off today.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Well, hell the goddamn the film is out there. Now
we know what to do, we know how to stop them.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
So it's not like they planning against themselves. They're all
playing against other people that get paid millions of dollars
as well, that watch film, that study, that know their tendencies.
So I think it's sometimes I mean, we get caught
up in who's calling the plays where they look this
way because Dan Campbell was called. I really don't think
it really matters much because the personnel they have offensively
is so goddamn good.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
It's so good they gonna just execute whatever you got
damn call. But we used to see.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
But that's the thing though, I think putting putting that
personnel in position, because that was the same personnel they
had before they got what's the guy at New Orleans
now calling the plays? The guy before Kellen Moore didn't
do that with that off. Those the same players. They
didn't go to the Super Bowl. As a matter of fact,
(52:08):
they fall to down the stretch when Shane Steichen had them.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
They with your super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Shane Steiken has a competent quarterback. Now look at what
they're doing. So yeah, obviously play call players matters. It's
still gyms and Joel's. But somebody got to put those
gyms and Joel's because hey, everybody, everybody got the same
chess piece on the board, but everybody don't know how to.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
Be And yeah, you're right by that.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
And the funny thing this is the good thing about
when you when it comes to your tier wind players
at certain positions when you have those chess pieces, and
some chess pieces are a little better than others where
you lack when it comes to call and plays.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
The chess piece are so good they can overcome that
that bad play calling. They can overcome that bad play calling.
And depending on who the player is.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Hell, it's a lot of receivers that can save a
quarterback that throws bad balls. You know, Yeah, I mean Jack,
I'm trying to say it in that's in that sense.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah, but it's still you're right, it's still it's still
the gyms and the joees. But it definitely helped when
people can put people in position to do what they do.
Because you look at Kellen Moore he in New Orleans,
how they working out for it. He ain't got he
still he running the same offense that he ran in
New Orleans. He called it the same plays, but he
ain't got Jalen Hurts, and he don't got Sa Kwan,
(53:27):
and he don't got Davante and he don't got a
j So therefore it's not gonna look to say and
that offensive line isn't the same. So with that being said,
you're not gonna get the same results. It's a combination,
but at the end of the day, you the more
good players you have, the better your chances are winning
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