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April 21, 2024 67 mins

Enjoy this recap of some of the best moments from March and prepare for more captivating conversations with Shannon Sharpe because you never know who’s going to stop by The Club…

00:00 - Offset on Joe Budden disrespecting Cardi B's new song & flipping $245K into $700M by investing in avatars on phone 

17:22 - Kobe Bryant vs NYC gangster, balling at Rucker Park, guarding Allen Iverson & only watching Jordan tape at Steve Stoute's house

28:11 - Lil Rel’s beef with Katt Williams & says Katt’s jealous of Kevin Hart

45:03 - Eddie Murphy & Dave Chappelle aren’t top 4 comedians - Godfrey explains & hilariously impersonates Dave Chappelle

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You had once had an issue with Joe Budden because
he said something because you direct as a matter of
fact that we sit here, you directed Cardi B's music
video for the upcoming I think the song will upcoming
the album and she got, uh you had. I don't
think he feeling it, but you had to run in
with Joe before correct.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, we're good.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, we're good with Joe Man, Joe just be.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
I don't like how I rock with Joe because I
didn't talk to him on some on some man and Man.
But I just feel like he'll kick it with you
and then kind of dog yat to the world, right,
you know what I mean. Now, it'd be hard for
him to do that because it's like the credits don't
be matching, Like the comparisons the credits that he has

(00:48):
don't be matching.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Oh okay, okay, right.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
The credits that he got don't read the real matching
to right. The people he begetting on ass. But he
do got a word and sometimes he says some things
that that it do makes. But I didn't like how
he was trying to shit on the females, you know
what I mean. Like it's an evolution, bro, You shouldn't
say that that it's dead, And then I don't want
him to come for me either, like cause I didn't
talk to him. I ain't just down to I just

(01:12):
feel I disagree with your pin with the female music.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
How they doing their thing? Why shit on it? You
know what I mean? Right? But we're good. We're good though, Yeah,
no problem. I ain't got no problem, nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Let me ask you this, how do you the criticism
that comes along with it? How have you been able
to develop thick skin? Because you know there been some criticism.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
I don't come from that though, right, You know what
I'm saying. I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I didn't, thank God, like I blew up in twenty thirteen,
where we were still we had to get on the floor,
we had to see a citys we had to propose
us up. I come from doing that shows for five
thousand to ten thousand chitling circuit, like I didn't come
from Damn. I blew up my song, blew up on Instagram.
I'm like, let me check my comments, you know what
I mean? And I just feel like your coret fan base,

(01:56):
as long as you got that and you're successful, you moving.
But you know you do see stuff, and you go
through stuff. But I try to keep myself up out
of that because they'll end up. It'll drive you crazy
trying to like prove to these people, because once they
see that they can get to you, they just keep going.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah to do It's like one soon they touch touch
that nerve and you show.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
They touch that nerve, they touch it throughout your whole thing,
Like I'll be seeing now, Like when people drop music
right they like the next day it's like trolls on
there saying how many streams they got in twenty four hours.
When I come from your record growing because when your
record grower, it establishes you more, right, because you can

(02:35):
have a number one record for one week and then
it drop off the charts completely. And then that person
who at eighty nine and they go to sixty nine
and they go to seventy.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
That mean they didn't been on.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
The billboards for twelve weeks and they got up the
top twenty, top ten, and you had a number one
and they fell right off the chart. I come from
development music, like where my first my first songs, I
ain't go top ten on the billboard, and I still
was making my money and people love me and it's
it's I feel like it's taken away from the artists creativity.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
They ain't really because they're so focused on life.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Damn, what my number gonna be?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I don't be.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
I ain't even taking that, but I feel like first
week numbers it's a way to downplay us, to make
us a less value in the game, to like the big.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Labels social media, social media.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
What role do you think social media because you like
you said that people sometimes people say things on social
media that they would never say to your face. And
sometimes people do things just to get other people in
social media to click up with them, like, yeah, you
see what he said about such and such. He said
this is about off set, well he said this about
this about that?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Are you on? Are you on social media like that?
Or you just let it rock?

Speaker 4 (03:51):
I mean, I'm always watching, but I try not to
buite debate, feeling like, try not to buy debate because
as an artist sometimes we.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
See that don't bite de bate. I'm not as a
matter of fact, that you mentioned that I'm gonna get
me some time of clothes.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
You told me that.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Some time you can't bite the bait, because once you
bite debaate and they might be saying the crazy shit
you bite de bait and if you when you realize it,
like damn if I'm so small, soon you bite debaate
that everywhere. Yeah, soon you speak on something. It just
flooded everywhere and and it got big. But I ain't
gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I'm a person too though. Sometimes the super disrespectful ship.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
I just got to say something because it be because
sometimes you be like too the respectful Like it's been
times one time, like they were doing some weird stuff
my kids. You mad at me that much that you
gotta bring my kids and do like a fake little
weird mean. I don't play that. I don't.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
That's when I speak on it. When it's like my
family little like my kids. You got some weird nasty
ship with my kids, like and it be fan bases
that do that ship, and it's like, bro, come on, bro,
like you, I gotta say something to that.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
But most of the time I'm gonna ask.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
I got good people around me to shine, so I'm
I'm I'm gonna hit. I'm gonna hit my folks like hey, bro,
and they'll be like, don't say nothing. They'll tak me
about it. I ain't just jumping the gun though, right,
because sometimes you'll just blow it up.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Some people ain't even seen that and then they see
you know, it's on every blood.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
I asked Savage about this about dating privately versus publicly, and.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
What's your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (05:19):
If you could do it over again, what are your
what are your thoughts on dating publicly versus dating privately?

Speaker 3 (05:27):
If I could do it again, definitely privately, just so.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Not let me say not so public, I mean not
so I mean not so public because I just show
a mind off, you know what I mean. But at
the same time, folks being your business and people judge
you like just too much, like just too much into
yo yo yo your world, and and it deteriorates a
lot of things.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
But that ship man, they put a lot of pressure
on folks and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
And everybody ain't not everybody not really supposed to see
your improfessions or your professions, you know what I mean,
that's supposed to be It's like a household dang.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
So I was definitely more private.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I read it also that you you put the lean down. Yeah,
why do you feel that was important.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
It was it bothering your help because I mean I
didn't have no health issues. It was bothering my relationships,
you know what I mean. Yeah, my family, Like I
hated that my mom.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Would say, uh, just sometimes I don't feel like I'm
talking to my sons.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
It because that that that that hurt, you know what
I mean. You can't keep saying it.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
But so many times, and it wasn't her trying to like,
but it was genuinely I could see it in her
eyes what she said or when I used to be
right there, just how like just see it and I
just catch my mama. I keep her like just looking
at me, and she'll try.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
To look off.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
I knew I was disappointed my mama and disappointed my family.
And it's the greatest thing I did. Though, Bro, I
ain't gonna lie. I gotta clear mindset. I'm not because
it have you like a little aggravated.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
A little bit.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
Why do you think so many rappers are taking it?

Speaker 3 (07:11):
I mean, people got their own trauma.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Sometimes I never think it's a cool thing, like when
people be like, oh that was a cool thing to do.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I think you try.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Something and you enjoy it, it make you feel good
and you keep doing it.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
That's just me being a thousand.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
As we wrap up here, offset, how does off Set
continue to a ball.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
And move the bar.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
By being more creative, taking more risks, the risk of
the war. I got that tatter on it. No risk,
no reward. Also studying the greats, man, you gotta study
your history. You gotta study sometimes, you gotta.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
You gotta.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
I help a lot of people, Like I don't watch nobody,
but I watch greats because I want to see what
they were doing to separate themselves and to keep growing.
Because it's hard, especially in this time. People don't be
wanting to accept shit, so you gott to force them
to accept it.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
That's why I just like.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
When you said with the Beyonce the situation, you're gonna
accept this and we're gonna go number one, and we're
gonna keep pushing this brand. And sometimes the risks come
with a great reward. You can't be scared. I feel
like as an artist, you're supposed to do that. People
look up to you because they can't do that in
their lives.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
They don't have the heart. You inspire other people.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
So if you do the same thing, you're only gonna
inspire the same amount of people.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
I always want to grow my fan base. I always
want to and you've done it.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
You was on that bigg ass TV show, right, and
you came to do your own thing, and your shit
then grew bigger, bigger.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
You've been to.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Football stars, you went through different levels and it still
it's always room for being a bigger and a better brand.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
And sometimes you go through heartbreaks.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
So sometimes you go through tough times, and the tough
time would make you and you for like, damn, what's
gonna happen next?

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Investing? What's what's some of the tips? I mean, what
are some of the things that you know? You're like, man,
glad I got in on that. Damn I missed that opportunity.
So what as far as money, because like you said,
you come into some money, you get money, You got
money coming in, and you're like.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
It's not how much you make, it's how much you keep.
Is thattly?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
You can make ten million, but if you give a
nine nine million, nine hundred thousand away as opposed to eight,
I got a million and I kept nine hundred thousand.
So how does offset go about delegating where the money goes?

Speaker 3 (09:38):
I invested in a phase clan, I got real estate, and.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
It's just it's just I can't say what it is,
you know, I can't say I have a big investment
that's on your phone to deal with avatars. And I
had actually listened to my mama to this. So the
dude was here in LA in Chinatown and he's working
out of his his apartment, and she brought me to
his apartment and then he needed like, uh, two hundred

(10:06):
and forty five thousand dollars. And now now I can
show you an article where it's like up to like
seven hundred million. But I don't never talk about you.
The first person I ever talked to about it, it's
an avatar. So it's like, but I'm not allowed to
really speak on Well you good?

Speaker 6 (10:20):
You straight there?

Speaker 3 (10:21):
You sure you want to make music? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:22):
I want to make music.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
How do you good? You got later? Though?

Speaker 4 (10:28):
See what I learned is everybody investments hit around like
mid forties, right, Like lecognized with Ring and all that,
and like even Juicy Jay.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
So I'm cool.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
I know I got some up the river, but as
of right now, I save a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Though I got a lot of kids. Bro yeah, you
gotta say it's special. I got kid, I got kids,
still got them your hand kids, I got kids. I've
been there. You already know. I know you know. And
I got two daughters too. You got two weddings coming,
I got two dollars. Shit, I don't want to say.
I ain't ready for them days I wanted to talk.

(11:04):
I don't even want to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
So obviously the avatar, but we can't mention about. Let
me ask you this, what have you learned about the
the since you entered? What have you learned most about
the music industry? Because I always hear his cut throw
they do your band, they put you on these deals
where they take it all the money or you get
it advanced and blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
So what have offset learned most about the business?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Knowledge is key and you can't blame You can't blame
the system for the system gonna keep going. So what
you gotta do is, like I did, you gotta adjust
to the system, get to learning what ask questions like
I'm asking questions. I don't want you to before you
give me the money. I'm gonna ask you what you
what I gotta give you?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah? See, because at first when I first came in
the game, Well, you got.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Two million for me man, running publisher, you got five
millions running not really reading the terns, not really understanding.
And then your lawyer ain't gonna tell you. Your lawyer
gonna tell you what you gotta do. But I feel
like if you deal with your lawyer, like I talk
to my lawyer to day to day, well and I'm
asking question and he know, like I'm gonna ask this question,
and I need you to break it down into a
way that I can understand, so I understand what I'm

(12:06):
signing up to because I've been a dumb artist. Be
folks just sign and shit, just get because they get
you with the money. You gotta thank you twenty years old.
These folks like, look, you gotta hop song. Let me
give you a two million dollars. But then I'm gonna
own you. And then you got five albums, but then
soon the album come out. Most peop don't know when
your album come out. You at an artists a level
like me, Man, your first month, they done made two

(12:28):
three million, But it ain't your cut. It ain't it
ain't your money, and it's not counting to your recruitment,
but on what they own that then recoup the two
three million and they still got you in three million
dollars that and quarterly counting it down and they still
got to spend the money to get so but at
the same time they making an investment. So you got
to understand the business terms and understand that business. These

(12:50):
folks need to make the money so and they giving
you a lot of money, But you also got to
learn like, okay, cool, what are my deliverables for this money?
What's the limit on this? On the deliverables? And then me,
I love my label, car work, my label Capital Records,
I work with. I'm gonna go to the office. I'm
gonna sit down in politic if I got a complaint,
I'm not gonna try to be like an asshole about it.

(13:11):
I'm gonna try to get away to figure.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Out the game. How can I politics better?

Speaker 4 (13:15):
How can I rub shoulder so this person can know
because a lot of time we blame the label, but
we ain't really gave them no type of information. We
just turn our album and like make this go. And
it don't work like that. It's a whole process to everything.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
So did you learn do you have to learn the
hard way.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
These lessons, yes, had the hardway for shure Man, like
being trapped in deals or be being signed signed into
one deal, like not owning not on all my rights now,
but like not owning your rights to your music.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
All that is like you controlled. So help help me
out with this.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Okay, there's ownership, there's masters, and there's publishing.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
All those are the same things. Well, you said there's
ownership a lexic.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
So is publishing and masters? Is that the same thing
or two different things? That's okay? So you own the
publisher my masters.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
You don't uh order percentage of our masters, old hunter,
So are you gonna try to get them? Yeah, I'm
trying to get them, but you gotta just you gotta,
like I just said, you gotta finish your deliverables. So say,
for answer, you get signed, they sign you three million
dollars five albums, but your album turn might say you

(14:28):
can't drop an album for nine to twelve months, So
we do the math. That's some years, that's years, four years,
four or five years, even six years, because the average
artists ain't just finished drop no album exactly on the
nine months. So it's still gonna be a stretch you're creating,
and then why that time while that's going on, they
still gotta spend the money into you. So it's doubling down.

(14:48):
So it's like most artists, you don't see no check
from the label, but the one that you signed, that's it.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
That's it. Now publishing gonna go the publish. That's where
publishing come in.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
They gonna go see where all your music and licensed,
get all the licenses.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
You can recoup through streams.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
And all that, but it be pennies to a dollar,
so it might so instare like for me, my publisher,
I have an admin deal where we are in an
agreement that you will go get my stuff. I'll give
you a piece of it, but I'm not gonna put
it out on your hand and you can go grab everything.
Then I get the CRuMs because then I'm gonna be
left in the deal forever. So the purpose is that
is to recoup and renew every time every two every

(15:25):
two three years.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
You renewing without having to drop a project.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Because you know, with catalog, I got a long catalog
with migos and my solo stuff. It recoups like I'm
finna go re up now I'm finna reup soon after
this album.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
So the streaming, because I've heard some people say streaming.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Ain't no money. Then I didn't talk to twenty one Savage.
Savage says, yeah, Hey, they cut meal check every month,
so they gotta be some money in it. What's your
take on what's your take on on streaming?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
I get cut a check too. Streaming is.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
It's not for everybody, Like I ain't like STAPs. You
gotta he did it right, like you get hot first,
you get a risk, you go. He went platinum before
he was signing anything, so he got his master's everything.
But that don't be that's like he like a ten percent.
He's like a ten percenter with his situation. Okay, Well,
what I'm saying for it's most artists, streaming ain't nothing.
But like to me, I'm gonna say it's a hype

(16:23):
thing because you get you get sound, the stage money.
But like you might have all these beings and streams,
they ain't finish registered to to that. You ain't finna
be getting no check like that all the time because
it's that check is.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Going to the label for signing you. Right, So if
you let's just say they own the rights, they own
the masters, they own the post.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
So also in order for you to get that the
billion stream, for it to hit your pocket, you need
to own the publisher, the catalog and all that other stuff.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah, but it see, it's two, it's it's it's two
things for that. See to talk to political all right,
Fens is like some folks that just be hard headed.
You got to give you gotta get with them folks
a little bit because they's still a machine, like the
label is still a machine. Sure, I'll never tell nobody
to be just straight independent, even though people say it

(17:11):
all the time. But it's like you gotta have you
already got to have some money put to the side
before you just say I'm gonna be an independent artist straightforward.
I'd rather be with a machine because the partnership and
I sell music and my music sales.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I don't know how many people know this, but Kobe
lived with you for six weeks.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
How old was he when he lived with you? How
old was he? He was going into his second year,
so he's about eighteen. Yeah, huh.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
And you said, is it true that you sign Kobe
to a recording contract?

Speaker 6 (17:42):
Yeah, I signed Kobe to a recording contract, so to
do what math went just like this, let me set up.
When Will Smith made Men in Black and Solo these records,
the music business had changed where it was like, you
know it was again nas Wu Tang and and and

(18:04):
and Biggie and sort of mob deep. It was that
kind of you know, much darker sound, yes, right, compared
to what he was doing. He was bright as bright
can get. You're talking about Will Will I'm talking about
Will about well right.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
So I'm like, if this guy and he wrapped over
a sample and it became supers popping successful, I'm like,
if we can do that, just maybe, but hold on,
Shaq just did it. Shock sold millions of records man, correct,
people like he really did it. Is not a fake thing.
Shaq had a successful recording music career. And I'm like,

(18:39):
if Shaq can do it, Will Smith did it, big shot?
Just did it? This kid Kobe, People will love this guy.
I mean he went to the problem with Brandy. There
was a lot of energy around him, and he actually
had a rap group when I signed him, he was
in a group. I mean, you know, Kobe God blessed anyway,
he went so assume yea, yeah, he was in the group.

(19:06):
Though he was in the group, and he put in
the work. He came to my house. He lived at
my house for six weeks. I lived in New Jersey.
A very dear friend of mine, Charles Oakley, he came out.
Used to come out to Jersey and hang out with him,
worked out with him in a few times. And Kobe
was the you know, we in the morning get up.
I got him to go to this local gym. He

(19:27):
would shoot a thousand shots. Then he would He had
these tapes. It was Michael Jordan going left, Michael Jordan
going right. So it was just the tapes were split
of Jordan moving left, Jordan moving right, Jordan guarding people
going left, Jordan guarding people going right. And he'd watch
it for hours and then we would go to the

(19:48):
studio and record. That was his routine every single day.
I learned a lot of discipline. The discipline, uh from
a young man I thought I was, you know, I
thought I was pretty disciplined and doing my thing, and
I've seen another level of it with him, very very
special talent. I could. I could talk about him for
hours because during that period of time when I got

(20:12):
to know him, he wasn't really into having a lot
of friends. A lot of people never got a chance
to get deep in getting a chance to get close
to him because he was he was closed off like that.
And for years, Man, I we would we would, we'd
speak all the time. I mean we became very very
close friends. So obviously it was unfortunate. I took him

(20:35):
to Rucker Park. He played in Ruccer Park, Man, and uh,
he wanted to play because all these guys go out
to all these NBA guys go to Rutger Park. It's like,
you know, you got to play in the Ruccord.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's like a ride of passage.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Yeah. And we go out there and I gave him
to my man. I didn't have a team, IRV God.
He grew up in my neighborhood. I let him play
for Earth's Murder Inc. Team at the time. And he
goes out there and all the guys are there and
he starts putting on the show, a show. He loved it.
It starts to drizzle. I'm like, we got to close

(21:10):
this game down. I mean, I'm not letting him play,
but he's not gonna let the game. He's not gonna
want to be the one to call it. So he
starts telling the basketball team how to play on wet surfaces.
I'm like, we're not doing any of this because I
already know this man gets hurt if it's on me,
it's on my watch, So we shut it down. But uh, yeah,

(21:31):
he put out I forgot, But he's got thirty points
in you know, twelve minutes or some crazy number and
shit like that.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
So could you tell because you said he's so disciplined,
he's watching Jordan go left, watching Jordan go right, Jordan's
garden left, Jordan's garden right, and he's back in the
studio recording. Did you did you know then, with the
level of discipline that an eineteen year old kid had,
that he was gonna be what he became. Oakley told me.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
Charles told me, Charles, Charles told me immediately similarities between
him and Jordan as a with work ethic. He knew
it immediately. Like he came in talking that I didn't
know what the fuck he was talking about. I'm like, whatever,
he said that. But the other thing he did was
he asked me, and I had this guy who worked

(22:17):
for me at the time. He's actually now his name
is Anton Marshawn. He's actually recruits for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
He worked for me in the music business at the time.
Kobe was gonna guard out on Iverson that yet he
was very much respectful of Iverson's speed and all that,
and he said, go get He wanted to get young
guards from New York that could you know, do they

(22:37):
things over and crossover and a lot. We got him.
Went to this indoor Jim. He lined ten of them up.
They came in from the three point line. He stood
at the file line and they would come in like
an assembly line, and he would guard them, try to
strip them, take them to the hole, and then run
back to the line before the next guy came.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
He ran.

Speaker 6 (22:56):
He never got on offense. He ran that a like
an assembly line. Wow, he was just garden. He was
garden guys six foot fast as shit. They get past them,
steal from them, block it, you know, rub the shit
against the backboard, come back guard. The next time he
was doing this over I couldn't believe that he was
doing this, no offense, no nothing. And it was like

(23:19):
this level of discipline and then a tough guy, tough
like it's a strong discipline tough, principal, driven. Man. We
are one night to this bar, and back then, street
guys would buy all of the crystal. Yeah right, but

(23:39):
let me tell you something. They're buying a crystal because
what they want is assuming, not because they are drinking
all of it. If somebody comes in they want to
and you ordered crystal, you gotta check in, good, you
gotta check in. So I ordered a crystal. He's not
even drinking. Kobe's not drinking at all. Back then, he
was not drinking alcohol at that time. Guy says, I

(24:03):
have to check in this guy down at the bar
or whatever. I'm like, I don't feel like doing it.
He's like, man, fuck this good thing. So I got
the chrystal. No, I didn't get the Christal. I didn't
want to do it. I'm like, I'm not fuck this.
I'm not doing this. We go out to a dinah
like two three in the morning and the same guy

(24:24):
street guy won't say his name, is sitting there and
Cole is making jokes about his outfit and he's being
a little loud. I'm like, yeah, you gotta chill with
that bro. Yeah, he's not chilling with that bro. He's loud.

(24:44):
The guy, send somebody over, yo, blah blah blah, want
to talk to you. I go outside. I'm like, yo,
the young kid, he got the gun out. He's like, yo,
he got the gun out. Yeah, I'm like, yo, he's
a young man. Trying to tell him.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
That's how.

Speaker 6 (25:02):
He didn't even know who he was. All right, So
you don't even know what Kobe Bryant is. I'm like,
he's my young man thing.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
He's cool.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
Whatever. Whatever. Kobe comes outside, seize the gun. I'm like,
go go back in. He was, I'm not going nowhere.
He did this on twenty third and ninth Avenue. He
did that what little boy at eighteen. The whole thing
it died, but he said he ain't going nowhere. I'm like, yo,
he's this thing. He don't know who you are. I

(25:30):
was already, it was already. The guy felt embarrassed. It
wasn't like, it wasn't crazy. The guy felt embarrassed. He
really wanted an apology for the embarrassment was because it
was loud, right, and I was giving him that. It's cool, man,
it's fine. He didn't mean no distract. He didn't even
know who you are. Man, He's not even.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
From here right.

Speaker 6 (25:48):
When he hit the thing out when he said, I
ain't going nowhere?

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Two?

Speaker 6 (25:53):
What kind of person is this? I'm giving you the
out right. This is not your problem. I'll deal with
this problem right. He don't want this is our problem?

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Wow? Man, I never told that story. Man, So what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (26:10):
So you knowing that the kid is so disparate, know
that he's standing as they say, now business.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
What what did he teach you?

Speaker 6 (26:20):
You can run through walls. Man, you believe it. You
could do anything. There's nothing you can't do that if
you believe in it. That's what he taught me.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
He never did he speak about the basketball aspect.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I understand he was there to do music, but he
did he talk to you about what he wanted to.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
Become in the hell? Yeah, man, he had no could
say he manifested all of it, but he really did
the work. He knew that if you did all the work,
that ultimately it was gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
He didn't even think about it.

Speaker 6 (26:54):
He all His whole thing was that everybody who was
a talent always tapped out and doing the work. I
asked them one time we were at a we were
at a restaurant and we're sitting there talking. I just
and I always wanted to ask this question, dude, what
do you think about athletes that come from out I
ask you this, man, athletes that come from two parent

(27:16):
households versus athletes that come from single parent households. So
you got these guys who come from single parent households.
They're in a football field and their anger and the
shit that they I'm doing this for my mother, I
ain't got no father, whatever the circumstances are. They bring
in all that energy on the basketball court, on the
football field and they play with that level of rage. Yeah,

(27:38):
and he goes, I said, how do you feel about them?
Versus he goes, you know, those guys are intimidating and
they play with that rage and it works until they
run into the real thing. Michael Jordan me, Magic Johnson.
They run into that and we got the same level

(27:58):
of work, ethic and rage. But we have we come
from a solid foundation, and that solid foundation that's the
that's the thing that those guys can't be. He said
that to me, I was like.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
All right, wow, like stop this ship, because every some
of us just worked our asshole. Like I was even
just hearing cats hear all the things he'd been through
and why he didn't do this or go here and
do this.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, because you and Cat had some back and forth,
y'all cool?

Speaker 7 (28:28):
Now, No, not really, but it's it's okay, it's okay,
it's okay. We don't have to be because his success
is his success and my success is my success.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
What started it?

Speaker 7 (28:41):
Well, this is think about it? That Wonder Smith interview. Yeah,
the one, the part nobody talks about. It is for
no reason, Cat brings up me, Gerard and Hannibal Birds
for no reason at all.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Okay, I don't even remember what the fucking question was.
He just let it a you can't. Yeah, they gonna
make your style of real, but you're ugly? So what
the fuck I got to do with this?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
So you were you were in there one, that's.

Speaker 7 (29:09):
Yeah, that's the beginning of the interview. That's what made
Wanda kind of start.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Fucking with him.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
Now, don't get me wrong, Like the whole wander back
and forth of him is the funniest ship I ever.
Oh yeah, and you know, and Wanda wasn't always nice
to all of us, be quite honest, So it was
kind of It's very interesting that all this transpirt.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
It was interesting since she those two.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's it's the craziest happenstance of all the time. But
that's what it was. Cat, I don't know what even
what that meant.

Speaker 7 (29:39):
He said, they're gonna make you your star of rail,
but you're ugly, he said, little real Jerra called Michael
Hannibal Kank walk the mall in the landa I forgot
the mall Linux, Linux, and no woman would talk to them.
And to this day, man, I swear to God, I
ain't try to start those ship. I just don't understand. Look,
I don't think I'm the finest nigg in the world,

(30:01):
but a short nigga with a perm.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Man, you know we're gonna see this in respond I
don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yah, you know what I'm saying, Like like.

Speaker 7 (30:14):
If we were both two regular niggas in the mouth,
right and he has the perm and right the mustag
r and I walk in like this with my regular ship.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Who the fuck you think women are gonna talk to.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I don't know, real, I don't know. I ain't sad.

Speaker 7 (30:31):
So that's the that's the only irritating thing about that
for me, Like other than that it's like Cat brother.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
If I'm an ugly.

Speaker 7 (30:38):
Nigga, thank God, cause that's why nothing happened to me.
Ain't nobody approached me. Ain't nobody asked me to do ship.
I guess I'm an ugly talented nigga. I'm okay with it.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
God Rell, why you come up here. I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (30:50):
You think you asked about it, And I'm just saying, like,
and I look at all comics, you know, y'all all
of us like man, everybody's like, come on, man, you're
gonna go.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
But Cat did say that ship. It was just weird.

Speaker 7 (31:00):
I just I just even when I'm talking about Jonathan Made,
It's like, how who do Cat Williams? Did he look
like like You're not an attractive person?

Speaker 3 (31:08):
You look weird?

Speaker 6 (31:10):
Real he does?

Speaker 3 (31:13):
How about you? Have you talked to Cat?

Speaker 7 (31:14):
We were dressed like this nigga's Halloween like him, not
the character when dress, his money where it was addressed.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
His cat win When the last time you saw Cat?

Speaker 7 (31:23):
This a crazy story, right, So it was at the
Enemies a couple of years ago. So this is when
we into it, like we just happened.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah, y okay, y'all go y'all.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
We did this videos.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
It's happening.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I just presented an award.

Speaker 7 (31:39):
At the end of this, I go backstage right and
Chappelle don't know men as dude beefing. Chappelle sees me,
oh Larel, oh wims cat you know Lorel Laurell.

Speaker 8 (31:49):
You know Cat.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Now we're just staring at each other. David, Like, what
the fuck? Won't you two niggas right?

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Because we y'all, y'all just looking at each other. Ain't
nobody say that.

Speaker 7 (32:02):
I'm fall up a fist up like you have to
see the author mean, yeah up stead of him.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
We ain't saying ship to each other. And he's holding
this emmy. He has his emmy in his hand. That
was less of myself. Nothing happened. He just walked away, y'all.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (32:20):
It wasn't nigga.

Speaker 7 (32:21):
I was because I was still human at that time.
It was like, yo, were about to like, what the
fuck about to happen back here because it's I'm morel Yeah,
I'm Chicago nigga too, So it's like, I mean, we're
about to do this.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Oh my goodness, You're.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
About to turn that mmies into the source of woof.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
You once said that you believe Cat was jealous of you.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
You still feel that way.

Speaker 7 (32:48):
No, I was just talking ship. I don't think he's
jealous of me. I do think he's jealous of Kevin
Hart and and it's so weird because he don't have
to be like brother, you are so fucking successful, Like
you're one of the most successful stand up comedians we've
ever seen. You didn't have the hype machine. Honestly, he's
the benefit of Bootleg DVDs.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
You remember when they yeah, every I in Chicago. I
remember being in Chicago at the time.

Speaker 7 (33:14):
Everybody had that Cat win, specially in the right and
because you know, Bootleg helped comedy at that time, because
those people go buy tickets to see you.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Right, Absolutely, the boot.

Speaker 7 (33:23):
Leg man really was your damn he was your promoter. Yes,
they watch you at the crib and you would sell
out all your shows. And Cat benefited from that man.
And I think I think he's not even just stand
up man. Like anytime you see him on.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Screen, Oh yeah, you just want to m me for Atlanta, right, you.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Want that ship for Atlanta?

Speaker 7 (33:42):
He fucking every time you see them, my wife and kids,
Like he was fucking great on there.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
He was like you see him, Like even the School
Dance movie.

Speaker 7 (33:49):
We know that's not a good movie, but only thing
you watches that clip, you know what I mean, it's
fucking brilliant and so like and I look, let me
say that I was just I'm talking shit.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
We roast each other, we comic that.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
What it is.

Speaker 7 (34:00):
I don't give a fuck whatever you say about me
at this I don't give a rats ass.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
But at the same time I do. I really do
wish that we could.

Speaker 7 (34:08):
I'm not trying to sound like some old let's get
a loan shit, but like, god damn, it's no reason
why we can't do another Harlem Nights with all this
great fucking talent, or not even the Harlem Night but
just a movie yeah that features everybody, you know what
I mean, man, like Nick tried to do with School Daans.
But like, let's find something with it, like a really
good script, some really dope shit and like fucking get

(34:29):
all these powerhouses on fucking screen together. Like I'm sick
of this shit, right, it doesn't make fucking sense. You know,
it's not it's you know you, and it's be honest
with you. It's a bunch of old beasts. So I'll
say this right now. Cat, Look, I'm just talking shit.
I ain't mad at you. I can give a ratsass.
I respect the fuck out of you. You want the

(34:49):
greatest to ever do it. Even if you talk about
me after this, I don't really give a fuck. But
I respect you, and I respect all y'all. So, like,
I just think we all figure out a way to
like merge this ship up, man. Like we all talked shit, man,
but I don't think we should bring in all behind
the scenes comedy mess right on the four and just
call call these people, call Ricky and tell Ricky hey, man, Ricky,

(35:12):
I didn't like the way you was talking shit on
the Friday, said about how that was supposed to be
your road, and just talk it out, Carl said to say, said, man,
I felt like that joke. That really a joke. That's
not even a big fucking deal. And they both do
it totally differently, and it's a joke. Noney, you need anymore.
Let's talk this shit out, even with Steve Harvey.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Talk this shit out, man.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
You know, Bernie, we don't have to show Bernie love
by shitting on somebody else. Bernie's one of the greatest
to ever fucking do it, one of the hugest influences
ever in this game. He's one of the cats to
me that are always gonna represent a grown ass man
in his fucking business.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
And I don't know Bernie would let this shit fly
like this because he wasn't that type of dude.

Speaker 7 (35:57):
He won't gonna be, you know, even when Bernie talked
about like even if they've been playing the clip about
comic stealing jokes, but even that's.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
That's really vice. To this day. It's the reason why
I don't go up in l a lot.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
And so like.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
And I get it.

Speaker 7 (36:14):
Because most of the time, people want to do what
they think is the hot thing to do. If you're
the hot thing, guess who they're gonna they're gonna mind
make and to make it because everybody want to make it.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
That's the one thing people talk about all this other ship.

Speaker 7 (36:29):
I'm like, no, like, people steal styles and dialect and
all type of ship because they like, well, this person
made it. So you know, that's that's I just I
love and let me give you some props too, because
and any other comic that does is after this we realize,
I realize how mainstream you are.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I don't know if you know that ship, and you've
only had.

Speaker 7 (36:52):
Us on here, and so I think you know, for
the most part, you know, I told my story hopefully
inspired somebody. That's what we should be doing, telling our
stories and promoting each other, not even just in stand
up and fucking movies or TV. We have we have
movies like the Color Purple. Dion Cola comic is in
color purple. Come on, man, that's crazy. Comic View Depth

(37:19):
Jam is in the Reimagined movie and Color Purple.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
And so we have all these things happening.

Speaker 7 (37:29):
You know, we got the Aver Duvernets and the movies
like Origin and fucking American fiction. I love every I watch,
and I love everybody, and now I don't know, like
corn Ball Ship, I just love I Channa.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
I love this ship.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
You know I've been your once again, your show has
kicked off. Outside that interview, so many comics, it's so
many conversations happening. And you know, one of the things
that people don't realize once again, I will tell you earlier.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
That everybody's journey is different.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
You know I did hear say, like, you know, you're
talking about Kevin Heart.

Speaker 7 (38:01):
Like with Kevin Heart, how many people you know come
to LA with a movie and a sitcom and it's
and that.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Well, unfortunately I was watching them. I'm like, dang cat. Never,
he don't know, he don't know about the festival circit. Oh,
he don't he don't know. Jesus Christ. You know how
Kevin gets deals like that?

Speaker 7 (38:22):
You go to the Just for Last festival in Montreal,
which is one of the biggest comedy festivals in the world.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
You know what happens at the Montreal Comedy Festival.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
You go up on stage, have a great fight at
ten minutes, and the next day you're meeting with studio
execs that are actually there. They were giving people deals
at these festivals. That festival helped change my life. They
still do that, still do it. It's still the biggest.
Like a lot of us go now and get awards
from it now. I got an award as a breakout

(38:50):
comedy star a couple of years ago, and I remember
my speech. It was teared up giving my speech. You
know why because I sat in the back of that
room ten years ago as a new face comic. It
was like one day, I'm gonna be up there to
get the award. And I got my award and I stood.
I literally it was packed in there, and I looked.
I said, I told the comics, I love the speech,

(39:11):
and there I said, I forget the speech. I sat
in that last seat back there, that last seat back there,
and watched these that award show and spoke that up
that I was gonna be up there getting.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
This one day.

Speaker 7 (39:23):
You know, I'll say this once again, you don't know
everybody's journey like that.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
You don't.

Speaker 7 (39:29):
And I think people gotta be okay with not understand
different parts of the game. Like brother, the festivals, a
lot of people got. It was the time the early
two thousands, Man, they was giving out deals at the HBO.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Asked for festival and it just for last festival.

Speaker 7 (39:42):
They was getting me cast like five hundred thousand dollars
and a half it like like like just money. I
think Cat might have been one of the people that
got one of those deals at one point. Whatever opportunities
you get, that's on you. What you do with it, right,
you can't judge nobody else. How they took how they
took the ball and ran with it. Yeah, so that's
why I had to say that Cat gave me some

(40:02):
advice to this day that I've kept with me, which
is very interesting.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
And it was weird when he gave it to me.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
We was at the emprov d raised he still do
Monday nights at the EMPERV And I got on stage
out of great set and some one of the cats,
in one of his homies, said like, hell, Cat wanted to,
you know, say what's up to you? And I go
say what's up to him? And he didn't really say hi, nothing.
He just gave me this advice, That's all it was.
I was like, oh man, what's up. I'm a big fan,
you know, blah blah buds. Don't let these niggas burn

(40:30):
you out. I was like, what, don't let these niggas
burn you out?

Speaker 3 (40:38):
What did he mean by that?

Speaker 7 (40:40):
I don't know, but I took that advice and and
it only it shows up in certain times, right. I
think it shows up when my team wants me to
do way more stuff and I'm tired, you know what
I mean, Or somebody's pushing me too much, and I'm like, nah,
I gotta I don't want to be burnt out. I
gotta I gotta have it together. I think like you,

(41:00):
I look at somebody like, well, you have to learn
to say no. You gotta not even just no or
not right now. You got to learn to pace yourself.
It doesn't have to you know that strike the iron
wires hot. I think is could be a little scary
at times because that means you're just gonna do whatever.
But like if you take yourself and just pace yourself.
Because I look at somebody, Bernie Max a great example
who we saw. Really Bernie was working all the time, yes,

(41:23):
and you know sometimes you know, I think he white
have a little fatigued because he'll he'll he'll come to La.
You know, he didn't live in La, right, So Bernie
would come here and film and then literally go back
to Chicago.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Which is crazy, right, You'll film here all week and
then you fly back to Chicago just to be at
your Like, that's a lot. And so I just wanted
to make sure Cat said that.

Speaker 7 (41:43):
But then Chris Rock kind of said the same thing
when we talked before, and I've heard it from a
bunch of veteran comics about pacing yourself and not burning
you out, burn yourself out.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
But as excuse me as a young comic coming up
in the game, there's a fine line between getting out
and doing nothing said, so people see you, so you
get that big break and not like like Cassaid, not
burning yourself out.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
So where is that line?

Speaker 7 (42:09):
Well, in the beginning, it doesn't feel like a burnout
because you grind it.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
You just need the stage.

Speaker 7 (42:14):
You just well, you get the stage and the stage
time mat that's what you'll do, you know what I'm saying.
Like you know, like, for instance, I told you about
Dray had the Sundays Bruh. When I first started. He
wants to get that was the hottest club in Chicago,
and I wanted to go up every week, and so
he's like, Yo, you want some stage time, you got
to help seat. So I helped see the people. Every

(42:35):
Sunday boat shows, I was seating people. And I'm gonna
be catching a lot of shit from comedians like damn,
how you gonna do that. That's not degrading, that's not
da da dada. I'm like, nah, cause I get a
chance to go up on the hottest stage every single
week in front of the biggest crowd every single week, right,
So I don't care how embarrassing it looks. Matter of fact,
it gives me a cheat code. I know everybody does
in here. I know what this audience gonna be. I

(42:56):
know what the energy is. I seated everybody in here,
and so you know, it's one of those things where
like you know, I cared about the stage time, brother,
it's just getting those reps up, and that was so important.
But then it's like learning all different aspects of the game,
which is why, like you know, I think it's very important,
and I definitely I have to say this.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
It's like everybody's journey is different.

Speaker 7 (43:19):
Nobody has the same journey, right, and which is why
I don't like telling nobody else's story.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (43:25):
Everybody's journey is different, which is why I think it's
so beautiful about this time now in black comedy. You know,
people don't realize that comedy is still kind of a
new It's kind of the newest, a newer entertainment thing,
almost like hip hop is. And so we just really
seeing our consistent millionaires of black comedians. This this is new,

(43:48):
like the deals that Kevin is getting, the stuff that
Cat has done, stuff that's said is done, the Frickie's
done with the rating. This is just this is consistently
still almost first generation of all this type of success.
And it's a bunch of people at the same time.
And so like, you know, I I'm excited about like,
we just have all these different things happen. We have

(44:10):
fucking hit radio hosts, and we have cats who've been
on several sitcoms.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
We have cats who still torn arenas everywhere.

Speaker 7 (44:17):
Selling Now we have this cat who's like, you know,
you look at Kevin is selling underwear.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Now we got everything.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
You know, It's like, you know, comics are selling shoes,
Mike EPs is buying his neighborhood, you know, Michael Blackson
is going back to Like it's so much happening. It's like, yo,
Like I hope sometimes that people could take time. I
know it's competitive what we do, but take time to
be like, yo, what YO were doing this shit?

Speaker 3 (44:44):
You know?

Speaker 2 (44:45):
We have a Jamie Fox who want an oscar. Yeah,
a black stand.

Speaker 7 (44:49):
Up comic, and we think about most of everybody came
from def jam and comic views. True, you understand what
I'm saying, Like our people stars and not everybody's crossed over.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I'm not who I'm who I am because of them.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I asked a special comedian to come in here and
give me their Mount Rushmore. Oh gosh, and they named
seven people. You do understand that Mount Rushmore has four heads.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, but it's just okay, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
And a lot of times what I've been getting, yes,
is that current comedian says, I can't name somebody from
my generation because I'm with them.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
You right.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
So if I said, okay, give me your your give
me god threes four best comedian.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
It's usually your four best, or should be the people
that you watch the most, like you watch video on
them the most. And I got Prior Carlin, Red Fox,
and Paul Mooney. I watched them all the time. And
Paul Mooney, Oh my god. I think Paul Mooney doesn't
get the respect that he deserves, you know, because he

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wrote for Richard Pryor, he wrote, he wrote for a
Living Color Me the clown that was Paul Mooney, he
wrote for even The Chappelle Show.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I love Paul Mooney. I watch a lot of Paul Mooney,
and I.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
Wish Paul Mooney were alive to come on this show, be.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Like Shannon, this is a very good show. Very You're brilliant.
You're brilliant.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
You're brilliant, But niggas don't like you.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Shannon Shop, you a big motherfucker. You will kill a
niggas ass. You didn't put prior up there? I did
you put a proud Murphy? That's who you left?

Speaker 5 (46:25):
No Murphy, I think Murph Eddie Murphy, of course, he's
a hero of mine, one of the greatest comedic actors.
Nobody's fucking with Eddie Murphy on the comedy and movies.
And you can match emany but there's a lot of
funny people, but Eddie Murphy is the best. I just
I don't think I've seen Eddie Murphy enough as far
as specials and stuff.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
But Eddie is up there. What what you said? Top four?
That's bullshit? And he top five? Eddie put up the
mat Rushmore? Who your four head you're gonna put on?

Speaker 5 (46:56):
Those are presidents that should have had no business up there?

Speaker 1 (46:59):
What we got commit I just gave you Red Fox.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Red Fox ain't bad, Thank you very much. I really
like your show. It's very good. I watched it all
the time. How you doing, sir?

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Anyway, this is Red Fox and I'm very happy to
be on Club shay Shape.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
You a lot of niggas got a podcast.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
You got you like you like George carlinout George. What
is it about carlon.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
His word play? It's his word play, it's his's it's
his intelligence on how he puts words together, and said, listen,
everybody has a taste. And Carlin was never lazy with
a joke. He always because he grew up his parents
were advertising people. His mom and dad were good with words,
and he was always is his joke writing. It's just
the word play.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
He loved using different words.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
And so I was like, that's made me focus on words,
because comedy is an art form of words, syntax.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
It's about how you say it.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Some people some I see some jokes and like, even
for myself, I'm hard on myself. If I see a
joke and it's too lazy, I go, it could.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Be better than that.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
And I watched Carl and I go, damn, even if
the joke wasn't that funny to you, but the work
he put in.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
It, you go, god, damn, that was brilliant. You know
what I mean.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
It's like it's his wordplay and the things that he
says about society going out white supremacy. A white guy
saying it to white people is very important. Yes, an
Irish guy from Harlem. It's important that this white guy
is saying, you know, y'all ain't shit.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
You feel me?

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Has someone that Have you ever heard a joke? Yeah,
and you're like, I could have done that joke better.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
Yes, And then there's some jokes where I go, Damn,
he got that that's the best or she got that
that was the best take I've seen. I've seen somewhere
I could Damn I could have done that better. Damn
I wish I had that joke that was perfect. Yeah,
of course, a lot of many times you do.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
So can you do Chappello? Yeah? See, I'm gonna tell
you something, man, this is great. This is great.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I love being on club Shay Shay bitch man. I
love it.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
He's like at Chappelle.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
I've known since ninety six ninety seven, and Chappelle is
one of the grades. But everybody does Chappelle, So you
have to sort of talk like this, and now his
voice is little.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
You know, I'm listening. I'm not transphobic.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
I'm not I have friends, I have friends that I
have a lot of trans friends. And remember when he
got he got, I guess they blocked his show in Minnesota, right,
and in that theater they were like, the trans community came,
they blocked his show, and then he went to another
theater about twenty minutes later and sold that out.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
He's like, I'm trans.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
I feel I'm trans because I transferred from one theater
to another and that was a great transaction.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Bitch.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
When I hear people talk about him, yes, it's like
there's like he was a prodigy.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
He started at a very very young team, like but
a lot of.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
Comedians don't start until they're in the later twenties, mid twenties.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
I started after college twenty two.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
So here's the guy that's fourteen and they're saying he's
gone to these club where adults perform.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Yeah, and so you knew him. Did you know he
was going to become this No, I didn't. I heard
about him. Well, actually, when I first got to New
York City, one of my first shows was with him
on the show. It was with him on the show,
and he was I heard his name, Dave Chappelle, Dave
Chappelle because he did he had done star Search, Yes,

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young and even Ed McMahon said that guy is going
to be a star watch and you don't remember star
search ed McMahon before American Idol, it was star Search
four Star four three stars. Simbag came from there, Martin Laurie,
A lot of people that are stars came from there.
And I heard about him. I heard about him. Then
I was ended up on a show with him. I

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think I had to go after him.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
He murdered. I had to go after him.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
But I heard about him, and I knew, Okay, this
guy is something to watch because everybody Chappelle, Chappelle, Chappelle and.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
And I guess the guy.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
I want to give credit to Tony Woods, who was
in Who Chappelle. He took Chappel under his wing in DC.
Tony Woods is an underrated comedian who's fantastic. Yeah, so Chappelle.
I knew Chappelle was gonna beat I didn't know how
big until that Chappelle show.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I didn't know he was gonna be like right whoo,
He's Matt like massive.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I mean, because you see him in a Nutting Professor,
He's Reggie killed that, and then you see him in
Blue Street yeah, and you like man, dude.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
Is amazing and it's comedy. He's an amazing comedian because
he loves I think he loves comedy more than anything.
I believe so because he puts the time in, he
puts the hours in. And I'm gonna tell you this.
I think you had a guest on here that I
disagreed with.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Okay, no, and this is no.

Speaker 5 (51:36):
You know I you know, I would love to start
beef because I want this to go to sixty million.
I want to call somebody out. I just want to
fucking start some shit. But I won't do that. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (51:46):
Damn.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
But when Country Wayne was on here, Yeah, first of all,
I don't know Country Wayne at all, but I watched
his video. I give him his credit for him making
all that money. I was listening to him like, oh,
what how did you do this? You know I love
his hustle. Smart dude. I mean, he making millions off
of this shit.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
I wish I could.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
But he said one statement that I disagreed with. Country
I disagreed with you. What was the statement I think
he said? And if I'm wrong, you correct me. Said
something about if anybody's in a comedy club. Still that
means you're not doing any something like that to that.
I don't know if he was answering Faison. I think
it was him and Faison going.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
At it, because Faison's my dude, right, everybody be going
in Faison. I love Fazon Goals.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Everybody Elseason is the funnies of a bitch. But he's saying,
if you're still in the comedy clubs, you're not a
real comedian.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
I think he said that. Am I wrong? Something did
that to say?

Speaker 5 (52:40):
And I go I think he was talking about him, Okay, please,
because I was like, you are wrong about that shit.
I'm in the comedy clubs.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
D l's in.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
The comedy clubs are still being built. They're not fading away.
If you do theaters, that's like a blessing. But theaters
are multipurpose rooms. Comedy clubs usually are just for comic
comedians of all statues do comedy clubs. There's the rare
moments you have. You know, Chappelle still comes to comedy
clubs and works on his ship. Seinfeld, who's a billionaire,

(53:10):
still comes to the comedy But I think.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I'm just saying I might be. I might be.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I think what he was saying, Yeah, that's his only
choice is to do those The people that you mentioned
can do arenas, they can do theaters. He's saying that
he probably the only thing he can do. Okay, I'm like, shit,
so what does that make me?

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Because it's not easy.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
First of all, it's not easy to fill a comedy club,
even if it's a three hundred seater, four hundreds eater,
it's not easy. Like, there's people who have been fortunate,
especially with the Algarithm. You get to all of them.
You got eight million followers. Yeah, just numerically, you're gonna
fill the ship up. But are you going to put
the work in. Are you going to have the performance
that that that keeps him up to match it?

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Which comedy?

Speaker 5 (53:56):
I'm gonna tell you this, and even Kat said it,
you gotta you can't.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Cheat comedy, man.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
I'm telling you I when I first got to New York,
you know how many shows I was doing per week?

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Forty shows a week?

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Forty You heard what I said, forty dog, give me
some cognac, know, we get that cognac. Come on, man,
get that cognac. Shit, Hold on god, that ship Hell yeah,
there's only God for it. There's only seven days.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (54:24):
So you you doing how yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:29):
How are you doing forty shows in a week? Let
me show you.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
So when I got to New York City, I remember
it was a Tracy Morgan and some other cats, and
they were like, y'all. I said, hey, because in Chicago
we would do you get.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Me out six or seven shows a week?

Speaker 6 (54:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Said what of? They? And I got. I got to
New York, I did a show with I was in Harlem.
I did one show. They was like, yo, were about
to go. I said, we're all going now, Oh, the
show's in Brooklyn. Are you coming? You got more shows? Hell?

Speaker 5 (55:02):
Yeah, boom. I hit about five stages that same night.
And I said, this is how y'all do it? They say, hey,
oh yeah, we do multiple. The average comedian in New
York and I don't know if this is perfect math
does about between four to seven shows a night stage time.
We got a lot of stages, We got a lot.

(55:23):
Shout out to the comedy seller. That's my spot, comedy
seller in New York City. But I was doing five
shows a night, about five shows a night on the weekdays.
Then on the weekends I do a eight or nine,
eight or nine shows.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Yeah, it would be me.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
Patrise, O'Neil, Bill Burr, you know, Keith Robinson.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
It was all of us.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
Wanda Sykes, Wanda Sykes Hall when I knew Wanda Sykes Hall.
Yeah one is the best, but we were. That's how
you did it. You just ran all over the city
and there was sometimes there'll be a club down the
block so you can go on stage there, you go
over there, hit that.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
So I would start at about seven am and seven
pm and then ended around three am. So I was
doing comedy and this is consistent. There's no breaks. This
is consistent.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Shit.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
Comedy takes that much work. It's really a sport. It's
a sport. You gotta go out there and you gotta
put the reps in period, and you can't cheat it.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
I don't give fuck who you are. You can't cheat.
It is that how you get good at the craft.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
You god damn right, and then you and you know
what's funny is when you're on stage, they see the difference.
They see the difference, they see the wordplay, they see
the transition. You get those nuances. As you stay on
stage a lot, you have to I don't know. Somebody
told me it was a young common said no, one day,
they're gonna be able to skip steps in comedy. I said,

(56:41):
just because you get on a TV show faster than
a veteran, don't mean you're good at it.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Because I'm not trying to be an asshole.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
But a lot of these companies are skipping a lot
of comedians that are ready.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
There's a lot of because people ask me, when are
you getting your next go on Netflix?

Speaker 5 (56:57):
But I said, they don't really approach me. They don't
really a lot, not just me, but they don't approach
a lot of us. They they've been given specials to
people that don't even have an hour. You can tell
somebody ain't ready by the way they edit it. You go, oh,
that motherfucker started bombing at fifteen minutes. That motherfucker started
bombing at twenty. They're not because comedy takes. Yeah, you
have to be ready, you have to put your time in,

(57:17):
and the people that are ready are like, hey, I'm
ready for a special.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
They're not. That's why a.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Lot of people are putting their shit up on I'm
sorry you tootube example, Ali Sadik. If you ain't watched
Domino Effects. You're out of your damn mind. Domino Effect one,
two and three. He just put three. He's all on
It's all on YouTube, right, It's all on YouTube. This
guy has been ignored. He had a chance to get
he's been ignored, but he's putting it counting on yourself.

(57:43):
You got Andrew Schultz, There's Shane Gillis. There's a whole
bunch of guys putting shit up on YouTube. That's what
I'm gonna have to do. Oh and by the way, Shannon,
I'm starting to go fund me. Yeah, that's right. I'm
starting to go fund me to raise money to do
my own special. Yes, man, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
What why why bull driving, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
I'm raising my Listen, go fund me, go to go
fund me, Godfree special.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I'm raising money for real.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
I'm taking donations, no different than a church and a preacher.
I'm taking donations because Jesus wants it. But yeah, I'm
raising my own money. I've been offered some money because listen,
to do a special. It's a big it's budgets. Can
you can go from one hundred thousand to two hundred
thousand depends Netflix pays for all that.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Amazon pays for all that.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
But if they're not coming to me and coming to
some of the other people, I gotta I gotta raise
money on my own and then it'll be mine and
I can own it.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
You know what I'm saying. I don't know, But so
that's what's going on.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
There's a lot of comedians, men and women that are
being ignored. I got you got great comedians like Yaminic Sanders,
you got Marina Franklin, you got a lot of great people,
my man Dante Niro, you got Reuben Paul, you got
a lot of great comedians, Tony Rock. You got a
lot of great comedians that are really putting in the
work and are ready to do one, two three list

(59:03):
goal is I mean, listen, They've given specials to the
same people every time I see the same people, which.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Some of them do deserve it. I go, yeah, I
get why, But man.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
There's a lot of people just waiting on their first one,
and then they're giving it to people who have been
doing comedy two years.

Speaker 6 (59:18):
Bullshit?

Speaker 3 (59:18):
This bullshit? How has social media helped or hurt comedy?

Speaker 5 (59:23):
Listen, there's okay, I think it's fifty to fifty.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
It's hurt comedy as far as there.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
I believe this is my I believe there's a lot
of bums in comedy, a lot of mediocre bombs in
comedy because of social media, because they're seeing Okay, I
had a friend called me the other day.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I haven't seen him since college.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
He was like a more of a business guy, corporate
and when I started college, No, not call him, sorry,
facebook me that shit. Okay, right, No, he actually called
me because I had given my number a few years ago.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Then he goes, yo, I want I need to call you.
I need to talk to you. I was like, talking
to me about.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
What you know? And I know what he does. He's
a corporate guy. So when I was doing my comedy
being broken shit, he goes, how's that little comedy thing
you're doing? Oh yes, they would say that, how's that
a little comedy thing? I say, man, I'm just doing it. Man,
come to a show. They would never come because boom,
those are the kind of guys that go see the
more famous guys.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I won't come to your ship. I said. Cool. So
now years later he goes, yo, you.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Know I've been writing like comedy this, you know, I
was thinking about and I said, why.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
What do you for?

Speaker 6 (01:00:36):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Why why are you word? We're older?

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
Now, why are you thinking about comedy? I said, in
my head, he's been watching social media. He goes, well,
I've been watching a lot of video, so now you
think it's easy.

Speaker 10 (01:00:49):
Ah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
That's the only thing I think social media has done
is they make it look like it's fucking easy.

Speaker 9 (01:00:56):
YouTube tutorials. That's like this, Hi, welcome. How to be
a tight end? It's so easy. How to be the
tight end? Really, it's the same.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
You can know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
You gotta show up the practice, and you gotta put
the fucking reps in. I'm promising you because when I
first started doing comedy, I was funny.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
I was funny. It was me.

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
It was Corey Holcomb, who was another funny, crazy bastards.
Corey Holcomb. Yeah, Corey Hocum, who I brought into the game.
By the way, you guys can thank me for Corey
Holcomb because I brought him to the Amateur Knight. I
brought him the Amateur Knight, made him do comedy because
I've known the system. I was a teenager, and he's
always been a very very very funny man. Yeah, you
gotta put in the reps. And we were all funny

(01:01:41):
at the beginning. D Ray Davis was all funny. We
didn't have the jokes yet, you know, we didn't have
nothing to say, but we had funny quips here and there.
It takes years to get your voice in comedy. It's
ten years, ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I'm get a fuck.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
Here's here's an example. I was sitting with Seinfeld, Yes,
I said it. I was sitting with Seinfeld. He was
doing a documentary called Comedian. I'm in that documentary. This
is when he was making his comeback after seinfeldt. He
was coming back to comedy. So he would come to
the comedy seller and hang out with me and hang
out with all of us. And one day he asked
me how long you've been doing comedy? I said, and
I stuck my chest. I said, nah, about nine years now,

(01:02:18):
going on ten. He's like, okay, you're a nine year
old in comedy. Then that's your comedy age. Always remember that,
that's your age in comedy. I never forgot that. My
age in comedy is about twenty seven years now. Yeah,
I've been doing it almost thirty years, you know what
I mean? And I see I see why it takes
so long, because it's effortless for me now. But I

(01:02:42):
still see the difficulty in it because I can do
one hour or now I gotta do a whole different around.
When you see Chris Rock, Chris Rock is a technician.
He'll go in, come in in the comedy club, work
on his shit, work on it shit. Seinfeld does the
same shit. Ray Romonod still comes in. These guys are multimillionaires,
but because it's a craft, because the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Comedy is always better than you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
I always comedy is always better than you because you
always got to reduce something, You always got.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
A story to tell.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
You never if you get to con a lot. And
that's another thing about social media. It's making these motherfuckers cocky.
They come around thinking because he man, I got it
ten million followers. I go, well, you gotta follow me tonight. Wow, shit,
we'll see what that shit does to you. Okay, buddy,
you know, I know like glad that you have ten million.
I'm glad you got your little sock puppet thing. Good

(01:03:26):
for you, but we're about to do the real shit.
And good luck following me. But you know it takes
and listen, you know these these younger cats that come in,
they can't help when they were born. They were born
in the social media phase. But I try to tell them, dog,
doing a sketch is different than.

Speaker 10 (01:03:42):
Stand up these lord, I'm telling you be careful because
you're in a time continue when you're on stage and
people done paid their money, they done sent their kids
a babysitter, and.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
Motherfucker's are sitting there like this, all right, motherfucker, she
is one hundred dollars the goddamn ticket.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Man, it better be there be some hot hos and
this mom fummer real shit.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
And so you got an hour, And what if the
dude before you just did a hot thirty in front
of you, that the feature that smoked it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Now you gotta do your shit.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
I'm like, it's a real It's the hardest form of entertainment. Comedy,
which gets no respect, barely wins awards. Comedy is the hardest.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
You know why.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
You know why people heckle. You know why people heckle
shattering because everybody has a sense of humor. You make
somebody laugh. People over here, make somebody laugh. You was
funny at the barbecue, You was funny at the water cooler, right,
everybody's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
You were even funny on the field. You used to
talk shit on the field. I did. You did a commercial.
I remember the commercial.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
That you did.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
You'd be like, Yo, what you gonna do?

Speaker 6 (01:04:43):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
It was a commercial, so that's funny. But people go, okay,
Well I make people laugh. There's a man or a
woman on stage making people laugh. But I'm funny too,
So I'm not even gonna show you respect. You go
to the opera. Ain't nobody talking, are they? You go
to the opera. I go to the opera. I'm cultured.

Speaker 8 (01:05:01):
You go to the opera and someone's like, man, sitting
that shit, and he'd be like, yo, no, you're not
gonna say that because you don't have a sense of opera.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
You go to the ballet. I've been to the ballet. Shit.
I go to that shit, you know, and nobody says, man,
that girl flexible than the motherfucker. Right. You know why
that do balls out? Yo?

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
You know saying you because you have a respect, because
it's something you can't do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
But for some reason, comedy is that one art form
where everybody feels they're your equal.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
Even the comedians have been doing it two years deep
through your equal and I don't like it. I think
comedy should be like the army. Like that's what I
love about the armed forces. I'm a general, you're a
fucking cadet. You stand at attention when I walk in.
When I see George Wallace, I just saw. I just
did a show with our Sinio Hall, by the way,

(01:05:58):
one of the nicest men ever. Man, I've never met
our city. Our city was a fucking legend. But people
don't understand our senior. I went, He goes, and he goes, Godfrey, Man,
good seeing your brother. I've been watching you, you know
how his figure?

Speaker 9 (01:06:09):
He said, Godfrey, I've been watching you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Yeah, he's like Godfrey.

Speaker 5 (01:06:17):
He goes, I've been watching you since the pandemic. And
I said, I gotta salute you. You're a general, man,
you're a five star.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
We gotta like rank and file has to happen. It's
like in the rookie you know. I you know, I
walked on the team in Illinois. I did on a dare.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
I did it because I was doing trying to do
track and field and I wasn't really sure. And then
this dude named Marlon Primus. I'm saying his name Marlon Primus.
He came up with Henry Jones. So this dude was
so talented. He played our free seat, was our free safety.
Six foot four, could throw the ball a mile because
sometimes we'd be on the field just fucking around practicing,

(01:06:58):
and he could throw.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
I said, my god, man, you can throw. He could punt.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
I go, how come you're not a quarterback? He goes,
because in Illinois didn't want any black quarterbacks. They kept
all the white. They converted all the black dudes into
defensive guys.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
And he said, And he was from La so.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
He'd be like, yo, cuz he's like, you should you
should try out, because I dare you try. So I
tried out and I made the team. Didn't start. I
was the meat squad, but hell I was a mun
I made it. I made the team. I made the squad.
I was on there for like three years.
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