Club 520 - Vaughan Alexander on son Shai Gilgeous-Alexander in Thunder-Pacers NBA Finals - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
All right, man, we're backed another episode of Club five
to twenty Podcasts. I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells.
We got a special guests in the building. Man, We're
gonna introduce him. Laugh to my far left. We got
my dog Bishop be hearing out the prail les how
you would nasty somebody. Let's get to it man, now,
O G. This is his staple right here. The black
forces with the white laces. That's his thing. You know
what I'm saying. That's how he would, That's why he
pop out. Now up, you know what I'm saying. In Canada,

(00:46):
when you see the black air Force one, what does
that represent?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
That's that's what's the whole school, man, That's what air
Force was coming way back before. These kids are wearing it.
Now you see that. We just say, yeah, okay, you're
coming from the whole school. But then then again, you
know the new kids are wearing with so all flips
that were fast up. But when I said, yeah, one
hundred with the white laces, it up a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
With that, you funk with that. Keep my god right
on because I know I know you'all get fresh? Are
you fresh? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I don't get fresh and chill? Bro, you said I
ain't fresh. I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's about how you move and how your rocket brow
your rockets comfortable.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
If you feel comfortable in that ship, you think he
rocking them right, that's how you want. You's the one too.
That's bad bad. I ain't bad.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
That's like I might ask you for some money at
the light and if you say no, I might rob you.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
You know what I'm saying. You know how I go
type situation? Yeah? Yeah, how you move on? You see everything?
How you move.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Guy just knows that you're trying to try to make
you feel like I'm not that guy. It's like I'm
making you feel like, yeah, you could get one over
on me. I don't want to feel that way. You know,
keep for sure what you're doing. Maybe you look him
in his eyes or you might know what I'm saying.
Don't fuck with that.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Guy, you look somebody black forces, please make you have
some glasses on, and you're getting for sure still to.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
My right, my dog young not your young tig.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
You what I'm chilling? Bro chilling, chilling. Now let's get
the episode wrong. We already started. Good vibes, good viob
for sure Man, Man listen, special guests. Man pull it
up to the city, Man, NBA finals going on, Man
the og from up north.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
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why you here? Man, Dog the O g BO Alexander
Big Dog.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Appreciate you sliding on the Today manure having me.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Man, I appreciate you guys.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Y'all know I've been watching you guys stuff and don't
know it's only a few podcasts that you.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
Watch you guys.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
You know you do.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
You're talking the right stuff. So no, we appreciate Bro.
You know on this podcast. Why not.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Let's do it all right, Man, it's a blessing.

Speaker 6 (02:52):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Have you pull up on this man which was in
the city on the better turns.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
You know what I'm saying, I rock with the Sundalog.
It's aways man, but unfortunate. You know what I'm saying.
I gotta I gotta represent for the squad right now.
But you got the heat on right now.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
I got you. You gotta do what you gotta do.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, we always got something rocking, something,
you know, yeah, something something.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
You know. We always see your something. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
He getting the fits off, going crazy with the fashion,
got the shoes out, obviously we see he get it
from the O G.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Man. You came in so and you got the joints on. Now,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Shape butters, the shapy butters your.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Ones from the beginning bottom to the top.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
You know what it is.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, that's his creative. You designed it. You know that's
a little creative swag. You No, no, I got to
represent it with him. They say it's a family thing.
My nephew, where is it? Brothers as a call? Everybody
got their own colorway bombs. Mine's just coming up sooner.
You gotta drop that last you know, it can't reveal
too much color a little bit behind it, you.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
Know how I feel to your son Like with the
shoot though, Man, how that feel for the bro.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
It's a big big deal man.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
It's like you finally a testament and all the hard work, right,
so you know you get a shoe deal. You know
you have your own color waves and all that stuff.
The kids are and your stuff. We're in your jerseys,
all that stuff. You just say, boy, all the her
works playing up.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, okay, I'm like a beggar, like everybody knows me,
always asking for something.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
So we we ain't never dat last. I like them shoes. All.
We got a pair of them shoes. Here we go.
We were hurt to send us knowing I hoping you send us.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
A couple of the September. So everybody in their mama
right now is you know, trying to get some You
don't know. I'm like I do for you. Okay, let
me know the sizes and stuff. We will make sure
you got all that. Had a converse you guys and
make them. We need these guys first. Man, we appreciate.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
We were definitely gonna do right by I got Okay,
see what in the serious.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
I mean we're already up to one right now.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
So too was conflicted because I want some shoes.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
Be quiet.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
The situation the funny part, like you said, the whole
family rocking and you're getting your own pe. It was
dope to see him talking about his younger brother obviously
got the blue joints, and he was like he had
some fake Jordan's back in the day. That was that
color that he rocked. And now that he got his
own officials, that's fire man.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, now he got his own that he can say, Okay,
he ain't fake. My family made them. And my son's
also the younger one. He's also with Congress on the
Prey abductive team too, So he's doing this thing. And
I said, it's a family business member rocking together, you know,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Sure, man, we know he was a hooper growing up.
What was it like growing up in Toronto?

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Man?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Playing basketball? Like you said, it's a little bit rough
up there.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
People may not be too familiar with how it is
and different countries and things of that nature.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
But what was it like going up for you hooping?
It was? It was fun. Man.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
We used to hoop to the end, bro, like morning tonight,
go around to different different courts and King of the
Court type of stuff. You know, you lose your come
off and I'm not gonna lie. A lot of courts
we went to, we stayed on and once I had
my five, stayed on so he was like that we
it was gritty, man, it was gretty with it. We
used and we used to win. And it was like
I said, it's the toughest part. Yeah, it's skilled too,
but it's that you go into some court sometimes you

(06:10):
don't want to win. You get your ass kicked after
you know you can play, But do you go over
there to let them win the last game or something like.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
When what we got our five, you get our five,
let's do this.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
So we were always just competitive and that's why I
think my son Nikil and my youngest sid to get
it to the day, that competitive nature that we anywhere
in the world, any situation, we already drop us.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
We're gonna win that back in the day, do you
want to win or do you want to go home?
And you know when you come off, that's it.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
You're not coming off and wait for seven more guys
to get back on, seven more runs and then come back.
And you know you have to wait for the guys
that know there's no lost. You know you got a
plan when you get into that gym. Once you get on,
we're staying on for the whole day.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
You want to lose? Is that I'm going home. You
know what I'm saying straight up.

Speaker 7 (06:50):
Fact, you're taking the boys around to the parks with you. Oh,
for sure, the watching work after for sure. We come
from a place called Sparroways and Spots are. Our court
was on top of a garage. We call it top
garage where our court was, and that's where they used
to be.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I'll be balling back in the day and they used
to see me, and then eventually I used to bring
them there and go do my thing and leave them
on top garage when I'm downstreare with the mandam and
they just be hoop and harden. That's what they're crying
and fighting against each other on top of that's where
we started everything. And I brought them back to the
same places where we started on the top of garage.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Oh then there it was bull with its. Actually the
court is on top of us.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
You go up these stairs to get there. But you
come from spars, you know Whatso okay.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
That's dope. Was there any difference between I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
If you got a chance of spirits as you got
older or younger, like playing in your hometown, then they're
coming to us.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
I hooping.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
It was a different style of basketball, which is basketball.
It's kind of universal for y'all.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
There's a little bit of difference when it comes to
like the USA side too. I think where my first experience,
mind was a while back, right, But when I used
to go out there in these states and play against
you guys back in the day, I just realized that
one thing I noticed the area could have been fat
tall in between you guys all had handles like everybody
you see a big fact I.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Would handle Yeah, something like that. I just noticed that.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
But then at the end of the day, it's just ball,
the hoops, the same size, the backboards, the same side,
the same size court, and let's just go get it.
So we never had no fear, no disrespected you guys.
You know, basketball was your thing and hockey was supposed
to be ours. We just went at you guys. And
that's when I actually, when I played against you guys
for the first time, I knew like, yeah, okay, we
can do this, you know what I mean. But my
life got shaped a certain ways. Started having kids realizing that,
you know what, maybe these hoop jeans are just literally

(08:26):
hoop gens because there's not maybe one of every three.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Men Canadian guys just make it to the NBA.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
It wasn't right now, so we're like, yo, bro, I
don't have time, but I gotta go get paid kids
right now. So that's why I didn't really get deeper
deeper it past high school. But I also realized that
the mistakes I made this shit that you know what,
I'm gonna makeut you when I make this you, and
I'm gonna make him like I got all. I think
I got it all in my head and the skills,
and I know I knew how to do. I wasn't
six six like my son, but I knew that if
I make cut you, and I teach them all those
things and morals and more importantly how to be a

(08:52):
man and the right type of man and how to
survive all this bullshit that's going on in the world.
Basketball is like a secondary thing. I can get them somewhere,
like a free education, right the NBA age bonus and
all that stuff. Nobody knows about the NBA. But I
teach you all this ship and you got a ferraduation.
Get off the block and get somewhere and gonna meet
your wife and have some kids and never come back
to Toronto.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
I did my job so and me it was just
a bonus thing.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
That's dope. And obviously Jeff is our aur amount of
hospital coach. Now.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
So you deal with parents, especially parents who grew up
and hoop dreams or they may have been somewhere, and
then they try to say that their kids. It's funny
to hear the things that you say that you value.
It's not like you push yourself for that for the
different reasons that most people do.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
This was for regardless what happens, you're gonna have a
better chance of life.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
We get so many parents now they just pushing their
kids from sixth grade to be NBA players. It's just
interesting to hear y'all dynamic with that because you coach
these kids every.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Day and he's on the m v P.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
And imagine him saying he just wanted to be a
good man, Like that's crazy. We got parents, That's really
what it is.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Like.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
If you're coaching, you see that a lot.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, you know, you got parents that live in vicariously
to their Sure, No, I do it a little bit
to come on myself and you don't give a fu. Yeah,
come on, you gotta be calm with it and be like, yo,
this is their time to shine. Yeah, be in the
back burner a little bit. I know, I know how
to do this.

Speaker 7 (10:08):
Yeah, you gotta balance.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
I say where I come from.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
The cameras wasn't something that you kind of stay away from, yes,
because you're not. We weren't always doing the best thing.
Didn't want to be on cameras. So I just still
know how to act. Like you know, it's like, Okay,
the cameras are here, let's just do the right thing
on camera and we're off the camera.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
I know that's a little of fun.

Speaker 7 (10:25):
When did you realize that he had a chance though
to do something with basketball?

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Wow, that's a good question, probably, Like I get that
one often too. But it's a good question because people
think that they have some people saying that I knew
from me it was like ten twelve or they or
they knew because of the politically politically correct politics. You know,
when you're correcting your number one ESPN this dad from
your fifteen fourteen they're saying this guy in twenty twenty
nine drafts, maybe number one pick you guys like that

(10:52):
shade them, weren't really like that or ESPN maybe like
what top twenty six. The kid was twenty three, so
I guess what's a twive five? Start twenty five? So
he k was like twenty three five stars. She was
just outside a five star. So it wasn't like we
knew anything and almost guaranteed. But I did believe sorry
about that, guys, I didn't believe it was hard work
that they put in. In a way, I've seen these
guys grind all the way up and all not like
being better than their peers too. They're always taking about

(11:14):
two three years better than their peers, so I always think.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
They had an opportunity to do something great.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
The NBA, like I said, is like it's four undred
and fifteen, so there's no one like I'm gonna say yea.
I at fifteen sixty, I knew they're got an MBA,
But at fifteen I said, Yo, this guy really has
a chance. Because Shay was on the Canadian national team
at seventeen, right, nobody's done that before.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
And Steve Nashal the guy.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
That put him on there and looked at him and
said sorry, guys, I said, Yo, this guy is the guy.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Steve Nashal the guy that I saw for first and
looked at me and saydyo, this guy's a lot of people.
I think it was seventeen. When he said that, I
was in my mind. I was like, you know, wow,
this is crazy. I wonder if that's true. But at
the same time, like I said, looking at what he's
doing and stuff, I don't want to see conceited or cocky.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
But I just kind of I kind of believed it.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, I mean, so I want to if you to
answer your question long SERI sure probably around them time
seventeen for Shure seventeen.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Rehearse to have you know, a two time MVP. So yeah,
he all right, yeah if he feels so, yeah, let
me let me look at this.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
But like I said, I always, like I said, there
always about two three years ahead of the head of
the competition. So it wasn't crazy someone say, you know,
he might be NBA ready like NBA prospect, because they
were always they stayed two years better all the way up.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Then they're gonna be.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
In fact, m for like, my little brother went to Kentucky,
So I wanted to ask you, like, I know, coach
Caroll know very well, like what made shape pick Kentucky?
Like kill goes down south, he goes to Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
You got you guys live.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, when it comes to Kentucky with Shay, that's like,
I don't know if you know that story, but Shape
originally committed to four you know that, right, And we
was like, I think he went down to Tennessee, Chattanooga,
Tennessee and his junior year maybe yeah, junior year and
that was his first time being in the States.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
Didn't have that many offers.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
A lot of people didn't know a lot about him,
so maybe he didn't know, like you know that how
good he was. And that's why I tell people you
got a number one believe in yourself first. He's the
first thing. You got to be careful and comfortable in
your own skin. This is who I am, and don't know.
Nobody sell you out, and so you don't sell yourself shirt.
You know, if you know who you are, it's hard
to sell yourself short. So when you went down there first,
he was like, Wow, I got the first offer from Florida.

(13:18):
I remember this. He called me to said he, oh,
I need some money to go on this business. I say, yeah,
I'm probably sending them money. Last time I said that.
The motherfuckers do not commit to know these mothers, they say,
because you know, you just got to the state. Remember
he's nice and he's had like an unsigned hype, like
nobodyn't really know about it.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
But he was skinny still.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
But I have you know you, you always believe more in
your in you and me personally, my kids and myself
what I built than other people. You know what you build.
So I guess the coach of Florida. I saw him
and said, Yo, this is like a fucking steal, and
they offered him, which they do, right, But it was early.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
He'd probably been in America for like literally four weeks.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
So now you have the whole seasons before the season
just starts the whole season to player this motherfucker's side.
He has two more years of high schoolft then motherfucker,
what the fuck? He calls me, tell you, why would
you do that?

Speaker 6 (14:00):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (14:01):
So then after he says, your daddy, you know, And
I believe in these guys, and they're telling me this
ship and bullshit, and I believe in them. I say, yeah,
you believe all right, well we will see it. Let's
just do yo. You're hearing your chest now you're on
your balls. Now do your thing.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
I'm you do this.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I'm not gonna be the guy because all her life
I was that guy said, yo, pull from the scene.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Fuck that.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Fuck that.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
I'm not gonna lie seventeen and you're doing your own thing.
I don't want to feel like eighteen and started to
be men like they really start to tune you on
after that and let him make his own mistakes at
this point. So it's like, and that was what I knew.
It was a mistake because nobody knows who the fuck
you are. You're better than that. You just you don't
even believe in yourself as well as much right now. Shit,
you know what I'm saying. So then when he went
and they did Dad for about remember's played the season

(14:40):
for about four months.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
By about January, motherfucking.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Coffee, he says, Yo, Daddy, you're right over.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
He committed won to fucking Kentucky because he's got as
soon as he committed, about fifty schools called somebody's killing
it throughout the hole. Now they know who the fuck
you are. Yeah, but you didn't know who you know
who you are everything I was telling you.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Yeah, Daddy, Kentucky you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
So, and that could could literally have changed the projector
of his career.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
You don't going to know.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Everybody goes in w goes the league whether you're good,
and now you go to the league, you know what
I'm saying. So, but I believe that with the hard
work in his work, Afthic, you would have made it
no matter what.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
But that route could have been a two to three
year route.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
You know, you get coaches that want to hold you
to win a championship and all kind of ship, which
is kind of like what my nephew kind of went through.
It went wrong a different route. You my nephew went
the way where I want to a football school. How
much I believe in myself if you get I'm trying
to say, you know what I mean. It wasn't like, oh,
I don't believe that I can get to Kentucky or
Maryland or do because you had those offers. My nephew,
he just said it, Yo, I'm going to do it.

(15:36):
A different route is a little tug of war between them,
you know what I mean. One's going to do it,
they say, want to do that, but we're going to
meet at the top type of thing. We're not going
to the same school that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
I'm surprised I didn't want to go to the same schools.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Let's w let's go at it.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Just take in the finals, the finals out about it's
a problem right now.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, not the fast forward due partment.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
But what's that feeling like to see you know what
I'm saying, your nephew and your baby were going at
it and what I highestlevels on the line.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Just humbling, blessings, praises to the father, the most.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
High whatever you guys want to do that were going
to talk to where we believe in the praises, bro,
Because like I said, there's a Morgan, there's a higher
being in us, son, and I'm here for a reason.
I believe, and I'm just living all my dream right
now and everything that started just aligning. I'm just blessed.
So still got to pinch myself sometimes obviously, but I
feel good, man, I just feel good. But how are
you in the crowd?

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Man?

Speaker 7 (16:24):
Are you like you torn Bro? In the crowd? And
how you acted?

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Are you because the energy you know is like so
you know he the m v P s. Are you
like like get buckets?

Speaker 8 (16:36):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Are you.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, So I build both of them in a sense
when I say built both of them to be like,
you know, go at each other.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
So it's always been cheering, and they played on the
same team a lot too, so it's always been easier
to chair for both of them. And then when they
going against each other recently, I mean honestly, I catch
myself and something like go no, stop, shape to kill.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Cut them off, chance to really fucking celebrate.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
It's sucked up. But at the same time, it's a
good problem problem. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
There's time when they killed us something and like when
they blew out uh okay, seeing that game in the Minnesota,
so they boom up by forty, I can see she
on the bench. I'm looking over his face on the
baseline and I hope he doesn't see me.

Speaker 9 (17:18):
Like, yes, was crazy, it was doesn't see you shade
of something, you know what I mean.

Speaker 10 (17:29):
I know they kills placing one time to get share
chicken killing bunks, and I was like, damn, that's my boy.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
It's a war.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
That's what I've been telling him to go from the
driveway at each other, just to tell it. Because he
was number one in Canada, shap was number two nights
to tell Shape you don't catch the kill, sucking up
the kill?

Speaker 5 (17:49):
You let Shape catch you? What the did you do?
How to catch you?

Speaker 7 (17:51):
So that was the Yeah, so you turned them in
the water gets each other.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
And it's the same way right now. You know, it's
just competition. I mean, any competition.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I guess I can imagine the family group chat was
probably litten in the conference finals for sure.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
For sure, me and my sister still like beefing right now.
You know, it's all when I say beef, you know
what I mean, it's all love.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
When she first we first realized we playing against each other,
it was just like, yeah, she text me, so yeah,
let's go. Yeah, we'll see. You know, I'm I'm riding.
I've lost too much of these bets. Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 7 (18:27):
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I say it comes from them a lot. They're just
very very creative, very comfortable own skin. Of course, obviously
see me growing up, how I move and how I
want to put myself together. But then you look at
my parents, and my parents are very fashioned. Look with
my dad and you know, you probably think, you know,
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in that you know image. But at the same time,

(18:53):
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all three of them. It's not to put them something together,
do Yeah, you gotta know that. Yeah, I got to
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I'm sure.

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slopping with matte in your eye and you know, I
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Speaker 3 (22:11):
You said it the right way likely people people can understand,
And I try to tell people like yo, there's no
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black NBA dads that have sons in the NBA and
one of us is going to get a ring. How
do we lose? You and I I still win, But
you know, I don't even fuck it.

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I'm doing it.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
We have a black NBA dad that's in the finals.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
You know, we're all that far man, like, we don't lose.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
We're showing the world that black dads take care of
their their which is.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
The opposite sometimes in there that we get you all that.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
You know, there's a lot of mom NBA like you know,
the moms you see and the dads just on a
round And I'm trying to change that near hence is
while we have this podcast coming up. Basketball Dads started
me and a few basketball great dads and that are
doing the same thing like me, And we're just making
people know that your dads are important and they're actually there.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
But you guys know what they're not about that we
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Speaker 2 (23:04):
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we got some names coming on.

Speaker 7 (23:09):
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Speaker 3 (23:12):
That's all you hear some more about the fathers listening
to my father's their fathers basketball dad.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
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Speaker 4 (23:17):
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Speaker 5 (23:21):
That's the name of the pod. Credit Creators are great.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
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you're gonna have some names on there.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
I'm sure. I'm sure you guys got kids. You got
your basketball dad. Ye, Creating greatness, said one saving saving
my great That boy can't doing over there shooting were
shooting blanks.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
While you're gonna put this a little breast.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Telling the real story.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
I heard. I heard the.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Silence in the room looking around. I said, what of that?
What I said?

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Just now, it's all good. It's greatness to say I
like this thing. Up's still doing it.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Man, don worry, man. You just give me your girl
and I'll read her Gramantee you if you have my jeans,
you can't respect. You can't say about to be pas respect.
That works too. He's joking. Don't listen to he got
my jeans. Man, about Jesus.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
This is about I'm gonna trade him every day like
jeans suused to be trading him.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
That's what the league. He's still going on the league.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
I'm just playing.

Speaker 8 (24:43):
You know, this is what you need about Mark this day?
Oh yeah, finished the joke.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I want need to direspect a little jokes.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
I love understand.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
It's not just that's what that's what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
It's just, oh ship, I'm so sorry to.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
See what that was.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Okay, hilarious, man with me and me heavy. Now obviously
he gets to Kentucky. What's that adjustment period like for you?
As far as you said, you're already giving him gud
Now he's in a new stage in life. Kentucky is
everywhere mainstad John Calipari front line. Do a little bit

(25:43):
of versity once he got to college, what's that like
as you got him through the next phase in life?

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Basically, at the end of the day, man, adversity is
something that you deal with on your own. Man, So
how you how you look at things and backs against
the wall you actually react, you get, you get more aggressive,
your backs against the wall turns a little shell. You
get not versity is how you deal with that. I
don't think we look at life is that much. Adversity
is Versit is like a problem that you can't solve.
You know what I'm saying, right now, we got the answer.

(26:07):
It's like, yeah, man, not to everything, but you sit
down and think about it, there's an answer. So I
don't really think of it like right now, okay, how
do we beat the winn this game tonight? And you're
thinking about it. It's something that so maybe it's a
problem that you have. But when you have the answer
to it, Shade up Drop gets his numbers Partenstadt and
plays big chat does this thing?

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Shades does shit?

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Right?

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Just do your just do what you do, and everybody
does does They're all not even better than what they do.
We don't have to expect more from them. Just do
what you normally do. We all right, So I'm adversity.
We don't have no adversity. We don't worry about adversity
when it comes to anything. I'm just saying, oh God
answers your question. Don't deal with averse vers He's kind
of like dealing with like a problem that you mean.
I think if you put things on your head like
this is adversity. I even put it in that category of adversity.

(26:48):
They're almost winning. Just look at it, like, so we
got to deal I got the answer.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yeah, yeah, So now listen, Uh this man over here,
be here.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
It was very early on the okay see you try,
and very early on the shape price for sure.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Man he is he is hard to cheer for this team. Man.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
God, that's why I love that joke you just told.
Because we wanted to sign but only two to one thing,
I got you facts. So I all started becoming a fan. Like, yeah,
when he was at Kentucky, but when I started seeing
them and new l A, yeah, I started seeing him
change and ship and I always told him he had
basketball here for real. Of course he played it, but

(27:26):
you know what I mean. Once he got to Okay, see,
I was like, I felt like that was like the
James Farne League, the Okay see, like I felt like
he was gonna change a changing.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
Moment in his life.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Obviously when we first happened the summer, I think we're
at Summer League, and it was like, damn. Because obviously
had a good rookie year, you know what I mean.
In l A, your agents in LA, you're settled, you know,
you're living there. It's La, it's hot and bam, okay
see you know obviously the first sing damn, but then
telling you about twenty nine secs DA. I was like, shit,
we're both in the okay biggess together? You know, this

(27:56):
is this is it, this is this is this is
the ts in turning. Your life is going to start
to move because yeah, you're doing well in LA and
yeah docs playing you and you're starting at one point
in the caure with guess, so they weren't really letting
you go. Patrick Beverley bringing up the ball yet, louis
bringing up the ball yet, Avery Bradley beating none of
those guys a point coming out of Kentucky.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
He was a real pointer will on his hands.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
So I don't see how you come from that to
come and bring up the ball, but run to the corner,
shoot three, to be at three. Ind no, motherfucker, Now
it's not for you to really be where you are.
He's not to okay, see now still playing behind Chris Paul.
Remember Chris Paull was still there, so a staggered one
like a combo one a little bit and that if
you remember. I don't know if you guys remember people
still wondering is your real one isn't here too? I
don't know if you remember that. They were kind of
saying is this guy too. Is he a combo? And

(28:40):
people are already sure because he was, like I said,
kind of playing combo ish in LA second year. He
was a combo behind Chris Ball. But he learned obviously
a lot off of Chris Paull, a lot of shit.
So now Chris wall is gone the second year and
that's when he really sees a real shape. But I
knew that no direspect from day one because that's what
he was all his life with the balls and making decisions.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Not your Sinson's scoring. Sh'S the that's really gonna read
and react.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
He's not gonna That's why they say you can't speed
him up and stuff like that, But it's because you
read the games told him for really, he's really not
making up his mind to do anything. I'm gonna see
what the defense does. Yeah, man, I'm reading. I know
you know there's a point that you read and react
and put your crab trip. But you know what I mean,
Like the best do that, you know what I'm saying.
And a lot of guys that get sped up because
they're making them their mind saying I'm gonna hear step
him from now, Like you can't decide to listen. You

(29:25):
don't bite on your fucking and then you say, okay,
I'm doing that. If you ever hear she's talking about
her him saved a couple of times. And that's why
I know he really is on what I'm on. Where
it's like you said, I think that makes me the
best is I don't.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Know what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
You know what that means that you're just really reacting
that can do anything. But I'm gonna wait to see
what you do.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
And you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Simple.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
I think that's why it makes it so easy for
him to score in the NBA, because he's like the
smoothie all about all the time. He's literally the smoothest,
smoothest score in the Holy.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
You don't even look out his sweat when he out
there hooping, man effortless.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
He's actually too cool for school.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
I know that.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
I know all about that.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Do you think like everybody was like preaching shooting threes
when he first got in the league.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
I know, I'm sure people still talk about I'm shooting threes.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Do you think Chris Paul coming to that team and
like him shooting that mid range like that helped Shay, like.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Said Chris Paul, same thing. I'm talking like the crab drip.
But even though you know you probably touching the free
trow merchant thing. If you remember Chris Wall getting the
linkage you your hand to you. But he more no
disrespect that more than she. She's not really free trow
merchant drawing foul. He's he's using angles and change your
pace the up fake you get in there, you're done.

(30:39):
We all know that what you doing in the air.
But you go and I'm gonna go up and you're
coming down on top of me.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Am I drawing them?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Well, yes, because the fucking rules of the game have fouls,
and the normally.

Speaker 5 (30:47):
Drawing my follows shanging rules.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
All the fouls up the game and we'll play fucking
football basketball when we can't do that to it. We
just fucking just don't call them files. I mean, I'm
closed line you if you close line back on dark
you can't just fall right, so you're not free. Your
merchants actually just changing pace. That change the pay stop
you know, to blow with you catch you in your angle.

(31:10):
It's angles, it's change the pace changing director brains.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
No, I understand it, but I know fans don't like it,
because when you got that much creativity, I can make
you faund me. At any point you have many point,
I can make you famd me. When people got that
much creativity.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
You got to be not to cut you. But you
gotta be on defense.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Yeah, I remember, I'm doing the same.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
And just why I tell people all the time, if
I'm that guy that's making you follow mic sorry sorry,
drawing you into those in those into those those spots
where you gotta follow me on defense, I'm not allowing
you to do that.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
You know what. You what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
So it's on you now to stop filing mother, James
Harden Merchant, just play defense the right way and don't
follow me. Bro that, James, because that's good defense. You
know what I'm saying, James Hard didn't you a part
of that?

Speaker 7 (31:57):
To your gun?

Speaker 4 (31:57):
I did throw line a lot.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I did all that stopping behind the screen and letting
people run into me.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Shut your butt out.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, ripped through and I did that. That's how I
guarantee that I was gonna have eight points. Again, I
knew that that's guaranteed.

Speaker 7 (32:13):
The money when I was a guarantee ain't then I want.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
And then at the end of the game, you know,
if it's a close game, they found running get the
ball and just hold it.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Get me trying to get right. It's part of four
points at the end of the game. The bonus.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Now I already know. I think it's genius what you do.
I wish more people would do that. But yeah, they
try to take it out the game. For my guy,
you ain't to do it. But they took that out
the game a little bit. But KD and me saw
do it to rip through three and.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Like I said, you just can't get caught your hand
in the cookie. You all right, let's just say it
is a little bit of a free throw drying once
you realized. I told I told my kids that adapt
the way they're calling the game. So if you let it,
do you don't do that no more? You gotta you know,
want that man comes, do you keep your hands start,
you keep your hands big, right, you don't. Once you
do that, it's going to be about when it's not
a fault, you know what I'm saying. But if you
discipline yourself to keep you not go down and reach

(33:02):
and all these things, there's no foul call. They ain't
calling fouls that aren't there. That's what I'm trying to say.
That's actually Colin fo actually happens to stop fucking following.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
This beach Merchant.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Take that doors, Burt for sure.

Speaker 7 (33:19):
Outside of you know, nephew and your son. Who's some
of other players that.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
You like in the NBA?

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Kid Cunningham, m uh some young guys coming up? Uh a,
K I got this man. Two man's my guy?

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Fun with him every shout what's that? Young killers? Dort?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Fuck with Dort because the way he just plays every
every last player last. You don't got that. You don't
got that mortar and that energy. Like a lot of
kids could use that and just have a career. Yeah
they're not, you know what I mean. Funck with Katie.
I like how he's his whole career, you know what
I mean? Yeah, things obviously, you know different parts of

(34:04):
everybody's game that you know you're picking, you like, but
you know, I like those like those are the most
guys I think right now playing I don't I don't
have a d bag because the guys like I can
pick out of my head right now because I'm also
focused on the kell shit. Absolutely, I can think about
my favorite player. So it's ship so DJ DJ thing.
Lou Dort's a hack man. No, lou dor is one

(34:25):
of the best players in the NBA. But right now, man,
I'm right now. If I wasn't going to get shot,
I show love. But I got to hate right now.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Man, you know what I'm saying, shout out to the
thunder But lou Dort and carew so because I have
it and I'm tired of seeing that.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
I cannot wait to the Seriously, I get it. I
get it.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Those guys are fucking pestilents in people's life that'd be
locking up let everything. I love that ship because I
always thought, like it's so funny when the killer were
going up.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
It was more big on defense.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Anybody that knows when we're younger, I was always your feet,
it's no hands, so like it's crazy. They're always offensively good.
But defense is the thing because you everybody wants to
play offense. Everybody. The one thing that people don't do
is play defense. They don't rebound. So I was always
being on those things. Do what people don't want to do.
To get what people don't have, you have to do
what people want to do. So you'renna play defense better

(35:12):
than everybody, gonna move your feet, and I guess we're
gonna gonna rebound.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
Yeah, you're gonna rebound the ball. Just see the ball
go up. You're not gonna look at the ball, look
at your mango like that when the.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Ball goes up.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
You don't look at the find your man box the
fuck up those two things. Like I think right now,
kid can get to the league. Yes, after fourteen points
a game. It's not that crazy, heart, even though it is.
If you made up his mind to do it, like
hold Rodman and those money. You know what I'm saying,
it's a it's an actual career out there. That's like
a spot Man made, you know what I mean. Just
like defense, play defense sick as fuck. You can get

(35:41):
there because everybody can hit a fucking jumpsh off from
the corner of three and so you can always be
a three and D if you just play sick D.

Speaker 4 (35:48):

Speaker 7 (35:49):
Yes, the fact you get paid.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
What fucking Duncan and ant Man stuff. When I get it,
it's fucking sick. But that whole flash is just for
the flash. It's like it's like a life, you know.
I mean, it's like the glitter and the goal. Sometimes
I call that ship the grimy ship, the lunchbox shit
that that ship pays to.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Man, we just watched Mitchell Robinson have a research in
his career off rebounder, then score the ball, rebound, pass
it out.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
He's about to get paid a free throw and they
hacking him. It doesn't matter. We send him in the
game because you get extra possessions, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, I mean look at him just to probably like,
you know, you're not gonna look at him, this guy
that you're gonna find like a diamond in the rough.
But someone that that's his he made that his niche.
And if you do that, I just think it's so obvious.
But I see, I guess sometimes I see things that
people don't see. I mean, I just look at it. Like, Bro,
if I was gonna make you right now, I'm a
tournament that wickeds rebound, I can bring it. I can

(36:43):
teach you everything else after that. You know what I'm saying,
because you will get better at everything else. But if
I make you like fourteen rebounds the game, I'm gonna
you obviously gonna be your free throw. She's gonna get
a fifth fifteen for jump shot. I'm gonna get you
left right finish at the rim. I'm gonna get you
the drop steps, turn spin, you know what I'm saying.
I'm gonna get you that eventually. But if you can
give me fourteen, that's all you can do right now,
I'll work with that. And then what's his ceiling?

Speaker 6 (37:04):
Bro?

Speaker 5 (37:04):
That's an allser.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I gotta asked you this question, obviously, ou Ju Pops.
You've seen him growing up as they progressed their game.
At one point, did I stop playing one on.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
One for sure?

Speaker 5 (37:16):
Long time?

Speaker 4 (37:17):
At one point, a long time ago. At one point
he caught you just gotta leave it, long time ago.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
But I'm not gonna lie. I took him on with there,
and he had a summer camp and I took him
on the day. I'm not gonna lie. But it was
like a little friendly thing. There's some footage of that,
but he ain't. Nobody gonna see that. Man don't see that.
But I think the guy tied up right now as
the title the basements. Nobody seeing that.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
But yeah, because I'm gonna tell you what happens, so
I at least tell you what happened.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
It wasn't good, Like he made a move and I
kind of fell so that.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
You got, you got. You know, that's gotta leave it right, Lebron,
delete the kid leave the camp before.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Like I said, I'm big on defense. One time I
ripped him, you know other type he made up at
almost blocked a shot. But see after that hit, I
got with nine shots in a row, and then after
that it was just like.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
That was recent.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
That was recent, but that doesn't count to because now
I'm done. If you go back like about when they
were like thirteen fourteen, that was the first time you
actually went the first time you bust my ass. I
said that said I'm done. But fourteen that was again
it was endurance because I can still play. But two
minutes wheezing, bro, you know what I'm saying, a lot
of stuff in my chest.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Did you ever play one or what? Yeah? I beat him,
like I was like, fourteen, is that the last time
I played? I quit. I never played him again. He
put me on punishment because I won't play. He was like,
all right, you don't want to play me, you can't
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(38:48):
not gonna play you no more. He's gonna post me up.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
That's bang them still. It's it's real, man. I remember
those days and I to fling them around. Those days
changed real quick. I was like, no, like I said
that when he cross up, and I felt I can
see him saying from when I wanted you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
He was giving me back all those days and I
used to bat them up.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
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Speaker 4 (39:16):
That's not coming up now for Shure.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Now, we always talk about them, you know, so our
gold days we grew up playing basketball side and now
you got all these kids with professional trainers and stuff
like that, obviously coming from you, somebody who has put
kids in the NBA. How do you feel nowadays? You
see so many kids who go to like basically like
mechanical workouts. Everybody has a trainer, Like, what's missing? The
kids need to go outside and play basketball? They just
born fives or what do you think the kids will

(39:40):
probably working on to make their games better.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
There's some of the output we're seeing right now.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
There's a couple of things, like back to kind of
what I said, with the just finding the niche that
nobody ain't doing. You know what I mean, Like, if
you're trying to get really get into the make a team,
even I'm talking about the Amba, they start off just
trying to make a team or rebound. The bestound the
team of course might put on the team. You the
best defend on that team. Coach might need you. Like
a lot of times, there's been time when you need
the coach needs to win a game. And if the

(40:04):
coaches on this political ship and playing the sun, now
the games clases. He needs to win team Johnny go
because Johnny you can lock down their best score. And
then he hasn't play Johnny all gamecause Johnny can't score it.
But now he needs someone to stop this guy. He's
flinging in John's flinging in Johnny.

Speaker 5 (40:16):

Speaker 3 (40:17):
So just be those things that people aren't number one,
that's the first thing. And then a lot of a
lot of the grassroots stuff, the fundament and stuff I
think people are trying to Like I said, they're going
to the gym shooting bag of threes, trying.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
To dunk, and that's not what you work on when
you to gym.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
I think you work on like, you know, form, shooting
your handles, footwork, you know, endurance, like.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
A lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
It sounds a little corny cliche, but that's how we
grew up, That's how our stuff was. So I think
it just works. That's why Shae they killed their like throwbacks.
If people say that, and I think they are, they
play it's not truly good. Yeah, you can dunk over,
you can know, but you probably won't see like an
at Man Highland with shit.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
You're probably see Shae dunk over four man, which he
probably has it after. This isn't two you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
But it's a different style of game, right, So you'll
see one dunk every six months? Who every six months is?
But you're going to see a fucking every game up
and under, you know what I mean? Below the shit,
I think that's just aweschool Listen.

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Speaker 3 (43:12):
Yeah, And that's the difference in in the fundamental training
of the game. Now, which is why you see a
lot of the Europeans and the first team all NBA
last two years just do the maths. Not a lot
of Americans don't expected to the Americans, but I think
the game is getting a little bit fundamentally away from it.
It's more bigger, faster and stronger. Words fuck that go
back to skill, yeah, and fundamental training. That's what the

(43:33):
guys in Europe and France and all those are in
Canada because we're humbled with this. We're happy to fucking
just be in the room with the NBA guys. A
lot of a lot of the American side now, it's
like we're here and we're all a little bit entitled
to be here, and it's our game and you know.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
What I mean.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
So we're already in the room, and no, you gotta
fucking do more right now because the game is catching up.
That's just facts. You can be mad at me, you
just do the facts. It's just do the math and
see if I'm wrong. Most emp, we talked about all
the kids on the top chich and you got ye told,
and you got who's the next to friends when beyond killer?

Speaker 5 (44:05):
And you got shaded careful.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Guys, I don't know. Yeah, way, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
If you guys want to see you in twenty twenty,
Canada is gonna be ready in twenty two.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
You think you be you have think you'll beat the US,
or I say we're ready to go. I don't know.
I gotta way to it.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
They got yeah, I got jamal.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
They got new that it's gonna be different from twenty
I got got it.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah right now. But you just know we're coming, you
know what I mean? So we didn't metal, we didn't
meddle this one. Now, okay, I'll see it from for
sure we're meddling.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Yeah, okay, yeah, your guard playing crazy good guard. It's
come down to our big Zachie exactly develops. I think
you'll develop then, you guys, it's Christmas.

Speaker 7 (44:52):
Zach ain't gonna be able to come out the game, pops.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
You play, was gonna have to go. We gotta do
so a little bit of until we do this, perspect
he talk.

Speaker 7 (45:12):
No, but Toronto for sure is on the map. I
think my first respect to Toronto. I mean, no disrespecting nobody,
but I think Wiggans Andrew Wiggins. I was like, damn
he he really special.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
He was the first person. He was enough person that
made it to the pros. That was real. Like how
how ranked in Canada?

Speaker 6 (45:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (45:30):
Yeahsh you mean the ranking?

Speaker 7 (45:33):
Yeah, like round time, like a buzz for sure.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
For sure us he was another one.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I'm talking like protected from you about sixteen seventy to
be the number one pick and he actually ended up
being the number Yeah, so you can see that for sure.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
That's my I mean, big up the t do Yeah, niggas.

Speaker 7 (45:53):
I want to know about the music culture out there
in Canada, man, what what's your rocket to man clubs
or just bar cues any.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
It's it's kind of mixed up. It's multicultural.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
You know me personally, I deal with my like I
like my rap, you know from back in the day,
my reggae and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
So I'm mixed on both sides. But you can get
whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
But it's a lot of it like New York guy,
like how New York would be or you know, we're
a little bit more Caribbean oriented to we got the
Jamaicans and the antiques and the the daddy is and
the guy and he's we got the you know what
I mean, Because like I said, you guys might be
born over here, and your grandmother, your grandfather will probably
be born over here in America too. I'll never find
a black guy that told you his grandmother was born

(46:32):
in Canada. You saw a black guys Canada, his mother
was born in some of his grandparents are born.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
In some Caribbean. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Oh yeah, the second fourth generation Kanian black people.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
You know what I'm saying. But you guys got fourth, fifth,
sixth generation black people over here. You know what I'm saying.
It's the difference. That's why we have that little Caribbean
mixed people say I talk like this, I talk. I
just talked like we talked. It's a Canadian things.

Speaker 7 (46:55):
Yeah, none, so trying to I've never been over there.
I'm trying to get over there, and I just want
to make sure I'm seasoned.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
You can roll with me, all right. I like this link.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
I like this link up more than good Man stopped. Okay, cool, cool, Yeah,
I've been to Canada quite a few times. One of
my favorite cities.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
I know, I know, you know what's trying to.

Speaker 7 (47:22):
You know, Toronto is a great city city, man, That's
what's up. So we already up to one. Man, what
what do you think we need to do to finish
the series?

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Out man?

Speaker 3 (47:33):
It's just about like I said, man, everybody do their job.
It's not even rocket sized. Okay, don't do your job?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
And what is it?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Do what you normally do? Bro, I might actually do
anything more, I think out rated. Now what scares you
about the patients though? That you can play around with them?
You can't just say that you know you'll get up
by fifteen and they're gonna come back either. You always
if a step in their neck, you get the nice
literally that the hold of there, win out and try
to do something actually a rock ship.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
That's how we're on.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
So last game we did it, okay, but I didn't
like how last game that we won the first half.
We kind of didn't win the second. We're up like
nineteen or twenty afternoon seventeen. That means we didn't win
second half. So I'm trying to win every quarter.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
That's my what did you How did you feel outter
the game one?

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Because I mean that twenty point it was up twenty
and for yes to hit that shot watching on TV
like everyone, I.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Drinking about my stomach and you know I can see
them to.

Speaker 6 (48:31):
My wife, twenty we probably yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Talking ship.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I just know, like looking at that because we all
was watching it like we were all at the crib
and all right, twenty point win for the Okay, see,
we ain't gonna pie tonight.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
He hit the shot. We all call each other like, yo,
we gotta go downtown, he said.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I feel that undred percent. I agree with that, man,
Like I said, man, first friendly competition. But if it
wasn't like, if it wasn't like that, like even after
we lost, I walked to remembers Arena's right there. I'm saying,
in the hold, all right, our first pas and I
see this alibur So yeah, man, I'm.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Like, bro, yeah, we go manas, but guess what.

Speaker 6 (49:22):
The cameras.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
I can't even move my molt right. You know.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
We got this man, if you and I when we
went together, Yeah, you know what I'm saying because it's
real facts, man, But we got to put on this.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
This is a competition.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
But like I swear, I swear to God, if we
lose what we want, I'm gonna be happy. I'm gonna
be happy to be happy for no good.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
For another another tough question, how did you feel last
year because we all feel like you should have got
the VP last year or which our reaction like last year.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
When we got the results.

Speaker 5 (49:59):
Yeah, I was like, Number one, I kind of knew it.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
You can tell by the way is the connotation is
going on throughout the year, and you know, because you know,
you know to kind of know if you don't ball,
who they're gonna give it to. So I was like,
oh my god, they didn't give it to him, and
you got robbed because I kind of knew who we're
gonna give it to.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Number one.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Number two, when you do things every day, if you
wake up and brush your teeth every day and fold
your clothes. It if you really do it every day
and someone says to you, guess what we're giving out awards?
Wake up and brush your tee every day, and say,
oh fuck, okay, I hope I'll get it, but really
giving them out, well, then I guess what. You're gonna
get it next year, but we're gonna get it tomorrow
because you really do this. But I'm not trying to say.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
She does this. Yeah, it was. It was a little
bit of a let down. He didn't get it.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
We didn't think where they get it because I knew
the fucking connotation and the politics of this ship. But
then you think about it, Fuck, I can do this
next year. I could do it the year after that,
and I can do that because I really do this.
Some guys, like you know, some guys have a good
year and it's like, fuck, man, that's his greatest year.
I don't think this guy's ever going to do that again.
And it's true sometimes that peak here and they never
But I'm telling Sha, the fucker, I need.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Thirty four next year.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
You're shooting like what thirty seven, thirty six three, I
need to shoot forty two. So that means you gotta
get in the gym somewhere, like there's always somewhere you're
doing grades the MVP. I'm talking you right, do better
by the fucking you know what I'm saying. So he's
gonna go in the gym this summer, then come back
to shoot like thirty nine. He always gives me a
little bit, just give me what I want. Alwas give
you a little bit. He's gonna give me like a
thirty nine forty and then two years and he's gonna
be forty two.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Is fuck up?

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Jordan's numies and she's gonna give you like thirty six
a game one day. And people don't understand what I'm saying.
I'm in Trono. I'm telling people could do. People look
like I'm a mad man, like Relax or Somes the MVP.
This is obviously before his MVP. I've been doing this
every year, saying like twenty four four to five a
game with them. You know, I from Canada's supposed to
be great. We're happy to be in the NBA. I
don't give a.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Fuck about that. No better right right?

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Our whole model might be better every day. It doesn't
have to be a large increment. It'd be a small
little increment. Just get better everything. That's what I have
to do the shade now because it's always harder now
because he's the MVP.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
So how do you motivate him? How do you tell
him that he's got to get better?

Speaker 4 (51:54):
How do you like? Daddy your nuts? But he's been
I've been doing this in all my life, so he's
that he already knows I'm nuts. You know, here he
goes again. He's in the season. Tell me to do
better three because tell me that I should add fifty.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Yes, motherfucker, you had forty two in the first half,
you start fucking fifty.

Speaker 4 (52:09):

Speaker 3 (52:09):
A much games like he does stuff like that, you
know what I'm saying. I'm like, yeah, you should add sixty,
you know what I'm saying. But you always have to
give him that to make him feel like saying. Sometimes
they say, oh, that's what this guy. You can't please
this guy. I'm okay with that, right because when you
reach the moon and all that stuff, you're falling on
a little bit lower. You're still on top of everybody,
you know what I'm saying. But you have to push
guys like that because he's that talented. Is that bless
he's that intelligent, He's the right guy for the job

(52:32):
to push.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
You can actually do it. If you don't, they say,
god it going and gives you what you can handle.
The type of thing. I'm not giving that kid more.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Than you can handle.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
People might have told me that when I was younger
and I got that one. You think you're pushing them
too hard, you know what I mean? No, No, if
you hear these kids talk went away in the room
by themselves, are very very smart. Nine years old talking
about gall and this and that and cloth. They guts
are sharp, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
So you know they know things.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
So you got to push them like man and talk
to them and deal with them.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
No, that's real.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
We was worried about it this year, you know what
I'm saying. Obviously, one crazy hell of a year. Him
the joker there and the light in the season.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
There's like his best.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Statistical season ever. And me and be here was just like, hey, man,
ain't nothing more he can do? Man, last year y'all
snubbed me. He came back better this year, team set
the league and wins.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
What more can he do?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
So I'm happy he got his Just do I know
he's gonna keep accomplishing things, but he definitely deserve the
MVP the ship.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
I agree. And like I said, it's just something that
we do consistently. This whole thing is consistency.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
I think in life, like at your job, whatever you
guys do every day, basketball, whatever you do to be
good at something you don't really call yourself good, and
you can do it consistently. If you have a great
days when I'm saying something, but you have a bad
thing the next thing they have good do this, You're
not really good.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
You're inconsistent.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
Mother.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
You know what I'm saying, Your consistency is what we rate.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
It could be the best rapper Drake from Canada. Hell
shout out Jake Block Block Obviously, obviously he's the best rapper.
Why though he keeps putting them off. Bro, you guys
can debate that, but who does it as often? Who
does so consistently? So consistency is a serious fucking thing.
Once that goes back to Shade, Okay, getting snubbed this

(53:59):
they snuff sha this year?

Speaker 5 (54:01):
What would that meaning? Like would be disappointing?

Speaker 4 (54:03):
That means we're not gonna do thirty three at night,
but we're gonna do it something very similar yea next year?
Because justice what we do?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
You know what I'm saying, Like, who's not picking not
because it's my son, but if was my son said
his kid's popular average thirty one point five next year
six assists seven three.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
It's what he does by this At this point.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
You know what I'm saying, I almost looking at like, okay,
one of these MVP, you know, but they won't give
it to you every year.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Still, this year gives you next year. What does it
fucking Matter's gonna keep doing what I do and control
and control.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
Yeah, I was just gonna be shipped this year, though,
I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, he was going crazy, bro.
He was talking about like man, he could just get
thirty every night, like the Joker had the trouble double
fu and.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
It was really on the breaks broad because jokers doing.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
I tell people, it's crazy. He was crazymember down play
with jokers.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
We're not gonna see that again, right, Yeah, watch this
one now, guys, watch this one. When do we get
to the criteria when we've ever gotten to take the
criteria of wins out of the MVP Award. We've never
done that. We've never done that. I'm a baller, guys,
You guys can't do that to me. We've never took
the criteria of wins. And you cannot be nineteen or
twenty fucking wins behind the fucking shade.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
You find the MVP twenty wins still wins? Has it?
He had a great year? Yeah, Shaye had a great year.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Watch just know you want to say his is a
little bit greater than Shade because all these crazy things
Shades year is so great. Yeah, now you gotta go
to wins. Now, you gotta go to wins. And that's
what that's you gotta give.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
It to them.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
That's you say a lot of other stuff too, there's
other other elements, but wins is too much of a
big criters and they've never given it out without saying
fucking wins. The wins has never been the wins is
a major factor.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
I did.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
So you take that out now.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Yeah, you might say, okay, here fifty to fifty, No
you add wins. It's like seventy five twenty five, just
like what it was. Definitely what I'm saying. Yeah, I
don't think it's that close now obviously you know you
probably have fucking seventy eight years.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
That are we trying to win? If the aud this
game is to win us, okay, well I don't want
you know, my team going m v P. We can't win.
I want to win win for all.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
We're gonna win tonight.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
We all.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
I'm trying to kick my conference. Man.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Come on, man, he said we three a little back.
We ain't playing another play the right You don't want
the one is crazy?

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Oh man? Obviously you know what I'm saying. Toronto obias.
What was the energy like? You know what I'm saying,
you know said the Kendrick situation. Man, I was in Philly,
know what saying, be in a groundsey Rod.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
With that we ain't worried about up and all worried
about it. I like that, you know question we do
our thing? Man, Yeah about for sure?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
That's hilarius before we got out here. Man, please tell
the people about the No Flukes organization.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Man, Oh for sure, for sure, No Flukes is a movement.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
No Flukes me is never opting for less, unified knowledge,
equal success. That's a foundation I have back in Toronto
where we help at risk youths getting what they need
to survive in life, basketball skills, opportunities. We have a
we have a league that we take after hours ball
we call it now where we take kids from the
hood at eight o'clock at night, bring it back at

(57:29):
one o'clock at night. They played basketball in the league.
The leagues that almost like a how you do have
a men's day. So we keep scoring like the NBA
score leading assist this that that at the end of
every week we get the prizes for whatever accomplishention they
make and we check our attention rate to see who's
getting better, who's getting worse, and we just it's just
a fun, little safe place called it like a safe

(57:50):
place for these kids at nighttime.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
But that's just one thing we do.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
An event coming up July twenty six, twenty seven called
shoot Your Shot too. So last year we'll shoot your
Shot one. We did a three point competition, but ten
to eighteen year olds. The winner of those competitions you
got to go against NBA players and we gave him
a jewelry and no flux pendents and all that stuff
for the winners were running the back bigger this year
on July twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
That's what we're in.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
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at a time, and make these kids know they getting
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Club 520 - Vaughan Alexander on son Shai Gilgeous-Alexander in Thunder-Pacers NBA Finals

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