Club Shay Shay - Anthony Hamilton Part 2

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Anthony Hamilton — Grammy Award-winning singer, multiplatinum songwriter, and one of the most soulful voices in modern R&B — joins Shannon Sharpe for a raw, emotional, and Southern conversation about music, manhood, heartbreak, and legacy. From the “born in a pot of collard greens” grit in his voice to the stories behind his biggest records, Anthony breaks down a life built on struggle, faith, and timeless storytelling.

He opens the episode performing “Charlene,” unpacking the real breakup behind it — waiting by the door, balancing ambition and love, and how men often hide behind their careers. Anthony talks about how long a partner should stand beside someone chasing a dream, the struggle of supporting a family with limited means, and why attention, not money, is the real love language.

After performing “Coming From Where I’m From,” he reflects on how growing up without his father pushed him to hustle harder, and how being adopted at 14 changed his life. He shares that his father didn’t return until right before his wedding — a reunion only made possible by his future wife. Shannon brings up viral memes about his music “sounding like walking home from work,” Flau’jae discovering “Charlene,” and Anthony realizing he’d officially become “old school.”

With “Her Heart,” Anthony discusses making mistakes, breaking promises, and how men grow emotionally. He opens up about crying as a man, why vulnerability is strength, and the meaning behind “I Cry.” Then the mood lifts as he performs “Cornbread, Fish & Collard Greens,” reflecting on why men rarely approach women anymore, social media replacing real connection, and the lost art of old-school flirting.

Anthony shares his favorite Southern dishes and his craziest food experiences before revisiting his early break as a background singer for D’Angelo. He performs “How Does It Feel,” shares lessons D’Angelo taught him, and remembers missing his final phone call. He opens up about D’Angelo’s pancreatic cancer, Angie Stone’s passing, their snowstorm sessions, and the heartbreak of their son losing both parents in one year.

Shannon and Anthony dive into Drake — linking in Toronto, studio sessions at The Embassy, and late-night rides in Rolls-Royces. Anthony compares Drake’s home to Prince’s legendary jam sessions, then takes us inside the homes of Nelson Mandela, Will Smith, and Jamie Foxx, plus his private talk with Barack Obama after performing for him.

He breaks down writing Donell Jones’ “U Know What’s Up,” creating “Thug Mansion” with Tupac, winning a Grammy with Al Green, and collaborating with The Roots, Jill Scott, Chris Brown, Jeezy, Rick Ross, Nas, and more. He discusses unreleased songs with John Legend and Ty Dolla $ign, appearing in DaBaby’s video, signing with Jermaine Dupri, and how music has changed in the streaming era.

Anthony reflects on grinding in New York City with just $67, how Nick Cannon bought him his first car, and the struggles artists like Kevin McCall face. He recalls working on American Gangster with Denzel Washington, Empire with Terrence Howard, witnessing a killing at seven, and his barber days — where the “struggle beard” became his signature. He shares the moment Michael Jordan gifted him Jordans and his experience working with Oprah on They Call Me Dad. He closes by reflecting on raising six sons, marrying young, and how dating feels different after marriage.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. Also
someone you were very close to, Angie Stone. Yeah, man,
and she tragically lost her life in an automobile accident.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
And then you had to sing. You sung at the funeral.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Singing both of them. Yeah, that's pretty hard, and you know,
and they wanted me to go and view her body
and that before going to view it, I was just like,
I don't want to see her all messed up and
mangled up. I just don't want to see that. It's
hard enough that you know she's gone and the way
she left right, And so she's like, no, just come please,

(00:37):
And I went and she looked amazing. I'd never seen
anybody laid the rest looking so peaceful, and she had
a smirk on her face, like I told y'all, I'm
serious man, in all Angie Stone fashion.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
It was just good to be able to be there
for her family.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Man. What's one of your favorite Anngie story?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
So me and Angie were working on the duet that
we had and uh, we were in New York City,
down in the village and it was we had let
out the studio at four am and it was a blizzard. Yeah,
so we had to all get in the same cab.
First we had to get a cab that wanted to
pick up black Tails up and so we end up,

(01:20):
you know, slipping the sliding in the snow and and
that was one of the funniest things because you know, Angie,
she almost busts up.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
But and uh, we laugh about it. And just being
on tour.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
We did a silk and sandpaper tour, so we always
would bring that that that Blizzard snowstore in New York City,
and you know, Country Country wasn't used to that.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Angie and DiAngelo have, so I mean, thanks. It's got
to be tough for him to lose his mom tragically,
now tragic passing up his father and now he's motherless
and fatherless.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
I can't imagine imagine it. I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I wouldn't want to want my kids tore ever have
to go through that or anyone.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, I just I just prayed for him.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I make God comfort him in a way, send him
the best person that can help mend that.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Did you go to the Drake and did Drake D'Angelo
show in Toronto?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Absolutely? Yeah I did. Yeah, Actually I went with Drake
or DiAngelo? Okay, Yeah, I was down there working with
Drake and uh he was like d'angelo's in town.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
It was like, let's go.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
So we all, you know, got in this big, big car,
Bendy or Rose whatever, one of the big car. Yeah,
tall him to be and we went and we and
we saw The show Man. Yeah, it was it was
pretty cool. It was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
You one of these unique artists, uh that you can
really cross over, Like you mentioned, you can do rap,
you collabor you know, Jada Kiss and Drake and some
of these others. Is that something that you always strived?
Did you always wanted to like, you know what I mean,
collabing with other R and B. Yeah, you're that's easy
because we've seen that so much. But to see the

(03:00):
also of appeal what you have.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
You know, I always knew that I love music and
I understood it if I heard it. If it's a
rap song, I know how to be Anthony Hamilton on it. Okay,
the country songs I've done with Josh Turner and genrech
from Big and Rich, I'm a country boy. I know
it rock Carlos Santana, I know, I know what it
means and I know what it shit feel like and
I love it, so, you know, it's just it's an

(03:25):
extension of who I am. I never feel like I'm
out of my character, right, So it's just it's fun.
Would you do a country I have absolutely, I have
so many country songs and I'm actually working on one
really Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, because I think it's so impressive because not a
whole lot of people are willing to take that risk
that you be one genre and I know you for
this and that I'm willing to step out of my
comfort zone and do that. I tilt my hat off
to Beyonce because she's at the top of it. She's
at the top of the here, she's here, she's a pantheon. Yeah,
she said, you know what, I'm gonna do something else,

(04:01):
I'm gonna do this.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
You have to be brave and in today's society because
it's it's people that want to control your destiny and
your happiness and you know, dictate who you should be
for them.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
When he's like, no, I know who I.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Want to be and I know all the many means
I want to be, So you just have to go
for When.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
You was at I think Drake calls his house the Embassy,
you go there and you're recording. Do you get do
you ever get an awe? When you meet people? You've
met a lot of famous people. You you had a car,
you was at the White House and you met President Obama,
and you met mister Mandela and you met all these
Do you ever get do you ever get an odd?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Do you ever like?

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Man, I'm just a country boy from North Carolina and
here I am, I'm I'm I'm I'm ill.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, yeah, I remember the first time going to Prince
House was like, whoa.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
This is.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
In Gennazas huh in Minneapolis? I went.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
I went to the Gennazi's house.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
That's yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
I went to the what's the name of the studio?
Pays the park, pays the park. I went to Paisley Park.
But his house is in La So after the award shows,
he has these big jam sessions. So he had Stevie
Wonder Keys Questlove on drums like everybody wow there after
these shows and he wants me to sing, but I'm
trying to party. I'm trying to get a little drink

(05:21):
and go down here in the heart. He would always
fire me, tell nobody to fire me, to make me
come and sing. I remember one time I was singing
the Lord's Prayer. He was like Anthony, he must have
he must have got in some trouble or so. He
was a funny cat man. We were sitting and watch
some of YouTube meet him and Shelby Johnson, Shelby Jay
who was just one of the last singers to sing

(05:42):
with the Prince but another country, just a southern girl.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Is it Is it true that he wouldn't let people
eat meat, drink smoke at one of his edgit sessions.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
So DeAngelo was supposed to go.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
We were supposed to go meet Prince year the go
with DeAngelo and and we were all excited. But when
he said all that, you know, the drinking and the
smoking and all that, de was like, man, forget that,
you know. But but it wasn't not no disrespect. It
was just like I don't want to be uncomfortable and

(06:19):
I don't want to make y'all uncouncomfortable. But Prince he
turned it around though eventually, you know, we were able.
He had food, he had drinks, and just I think
he started to change, right, you know, I think when
you start to grow and realize like, hey, my path
is my path and yours is yours, so we can
all be here at the same time and have a
good time.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
What was it like meeting U, mister Mandela.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
We know his story twenty plus years on Robins Island,
what he fought for, the having the work and the
walk corries being beaten, and still.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
He forgave his oppressors.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I was supposed to have met him, and he had
taken sick, so as I was flying out, basically they
were taking him to the house that he was born in,
So unfortunately I didn't get to meet him, but I
met his family, the rest of all his kids and family.
I sat in his house on his couch and I
was like, this is this is amazing, you know, the

(07:17):
spirit of the spirit of who he was. Yes, it
was premeating throughout that house.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
It was very strong.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Do you ever get nervous around famous people?

Speaker 3 (07:25):
I think it's harder for me to sing at award
shows really.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
For some reason, I feel like it's so much judgment.
They're judging me, you know, and I don't get a
chance to You don't get a chance to warm it up, right,
So with my shows, I could coast warm it up
and get to where my sweet spot.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
You gotta be able to use me off the bustle.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, and I think that's one of the challenges that
took the longest, right.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, you got an opportunity to perform in front of
Prison Obama and and and.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Michelle Obama.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Oh absolutely, a few A few times I've been to
the White House. He invited me to his birthday party
as well. After that. That was that was pretty surreal too.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, Yeah, they take your phone, so you ain't in
there taking and all that, so he was able to
walk around and just be and have a good time.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Absolutely, came and talked.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
To me, and I took my son, one of my sons,
and he came and spoke to us for at least
a good ten minutes. Wow, just down to earth man. Yeah,
and I met Michelle a few different times.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Getting to your writing, is it only natural? Can you
be a great artist without being a great writer?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I think a hip record can change anybody's life, whether
you wrote it or anybody else. I think if the
music makes way for the artists to be either great
or just mediocre, are good?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
You wrote write on Dannielle Jones you know What's up?

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, co wrote that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
So I'm always fascinated is that when you write a song,
do you have anybody particular in mind? When you're cool,
when you like, if you just write a song, do
you have somebody particular in mind that you want to
give this piece to.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
A lot of times you do a lot of times,
just like this sounds like r Kelly, This sounds like Beyonce,
This sounds like her or Jazmine Sullivan. You hear that
person's voice because the music represents a different, a certain sound. Okay,
And for the Dannielle Jones, we actually went in to
write for him. Okay, So these guys are the same

(09:29):
writers that wrote for Jahim and so they had a
really nice sound. But I didn't know that song was
gonna be a success.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
So when you go So, let's just say, for the
sake of argument, I'm an R and B singer and
I call people there and I was like, look, I
want you guys to help me write something for my album. Yeah,
so we invite where you invite five, six, seven people
in and you guys sit around and they get do
you just go or do they give you a kind
of a direction to go in?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
I think you start throwing out ideas, okay, and sometimes
that's challenging because you know their ideas can can kind of,
you know, make you lose your train of thought, okay.
And sometimes you get in the studio with people who're greedy.
They're because they know if you wrote back in the day,
if you wrote more, more words, you get more percentage. Okay,

(10:22):
And so those are the writers you wanna stay away from.
But I think you know, you to throw ideas out
w whatever's the strongest tends to stick out, right. I
remember being in writing Why for Jada Kids. I think
it was for Real, and a whole bunch of people
were in the studio, a lot of producers and writers,
and it was me that went in and started saying.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Oh that I been give man, it's band it.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
I been living and everybody had been trying to get
that hook right, and it wasn't until I did that
that it. It's like, that's the strongest thing we've heard, right,
and it's different. So it just takes that one line
that like I'm a dog on my mutt. When you
hear a line like that, it's like, Okay, we got
to pay more attention to this writer, right, because they

(11:07):
got they got it.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
So it just it just depends on the session, the sound,
the music, and the group of people you with.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
So you said that the old days and the more
lines you wrote, the more you got paid. Is it
still like that currently?

Speaker 4 (11:23):
I think now people are more.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
You know, it's it's more of a hey, that's split
it down the middle because the paperwork is a headache.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
I wrote zero point five.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Percent, just just that's just split it three ways and
three of us. And I think a lot of times
it's more of a border system.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Now you are, wrote in song of Tupac's Thugs Mansion. Yeah,
when you hear that, so, I mean, how did you
how do you get? I mean I wouldn't. I ain't
gonna lie and I ain't pitting you in pop.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
You know, man, I'm a thug thug out here in
these speaking now. Man.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Tupac was one of my favorites.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, he had a different delivery man and when I
got the call to be a part of that, I
jumped on it right away and just started writing, ain't
no place I'd rather be on.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
The place is right for me.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I stop chromed out, Paradise in the sky, I was like,
what would he want me to say? And how with
the heaven that he's speaking about, what would it look like?
And so I just had to go from pox, you know,
perspective upon a view or his idea.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
The idea, and that's what you can.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
So you have a like when you say, when you're writing,
I kind of have an idea of who this person
is in Caunterida direction that they like to go so
and he says a lot of times it might you
have to be careful come it or suppress your natural
the ability to write, because you get so caught up
and trying to write something specifically for them.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
A lot of times you do that and you miss
the mark. Sometimes you think, all amnn, go in and
write a song like what he's already used to something
in that vein. But no, they called you in, call
you for a reason, for a reason, for you to
give him something a little different, to get them out
of there, you know, out of their box.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Do you do you like for them to say, look,
you right, don't worry, We're gonna take what we take.
But you just write. Don't worry about that. You're writing
this for me about whatever you just I want you
to be. I brought you in here because you're Anthony Hamilton.
Then you have an ear, you have an eye. I
just want you to do that.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I like when you know you get that freedom. But
after you do it a certain amount of times and
you have some success under your belt, you're kind of
gonna go in and do it how you do it now.
I'm gonna do to Anthony Hamilton every time. So and
if they don't need that much, then I'll down it back.
But from the gate, I'm gonna give them what I think.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
And the Tupac song, did you feel pressure?

Speaker 4 (13:55):
I think I was so excited that it outshine the pressure.
You know what I mean? This is twopark.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I gotta get this. You better not feel this way.
Don't mess this up.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Man, Man, I wouldn't you know? And did like research
you like? Man? That's Anthony Hamilton? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, Man.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Do you get surprised? Do people get surprised when they
know that certain songs that you like?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Man, I ain't know you wrote that. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, a lot of certain songs. Yeah, espe see the
down Nell Jones. People didn't know that I had a
hand in that.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Uh, you got to win your Grammy with Al Green,
and you know Al Green, if.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
You grew up in the South, come on, man, Now
that was what that was one of the that's one
of the most exciting times in my career really absolutely
to work with Al Green.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Actually, so I was in the studio with our So
they invited. They said, if he said say a certain
word of co word that makes he's ready to go.
I mean, he ain't feeling you. So I didn't ask
for no pictures. I didn't do none of that. So
we're in the studio.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
He come in, Hey, how you doing that?

Speaker 3 (14:58):
And so it's time to sing, and uh, you know,
I was on the mic here and I'm on a
mic over here, and I'm like, I'm about to lose it.
Not only am I excited for myself, but my mom
and my aunts. Now they think I'm somebody right earlier
in my career is like, cut out all that racket,
cut out all that noise. The morning I said, you know,

(15:20):
I'm singing with a grin. I'm doing the song with
our Green. Oh baby, I knew he was gonna make it.
I was already, you know, I had already been singing,
but this was big for my whole family.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Right because because in the South, I mean, al is it.
Everybody my mom and aunts, every my grandmother knew who
Al Green was.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, hey yeah put that Al Green on absolutely.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Spending in my day, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
So, I mean I still get chilled.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I want I want my picture now, o ol Our Green,
rebind Ile, wherever you are out there, I want my
picture now.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I'm looking at some of the collabs that you've been with,
the Roots, Babyface, Nabs, Rick Ross, Uh Ambrosier, Marsha Ambrosier, Boots,
Eve Forty, Jennifer Hudson, Jill Scott, j Z, Chris Brown,
Meek Mill, Eve Jadakis. Wow, but that's a very eclectic
group there. There are some similarities, but there are some
vast difference.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah, is that is that when you got into this business?
Is that kind of direction that you wanted to, like,
not just be in one box, You wanted to be
in a lot of different boxes.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I just wanted to work with all the people who
I thought were great. I wanted to work with, you know,
people who were moving the needle. Yeah, you know, And
so being able to do that, man, it's been a
it's been an honor and a blessing. Right, So yeah,
because you don't know. Once you get into business, you

(16:47):
think you have an idea of what's going on, but
you really don't know how it's going to how things
are gonna go.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
So do you ever getting impressed because you're like, like
when you sit down.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
And pressed me right here on shame, I appreciate that this.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Is gonna do really well.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, man, they like when we have conversation, Yeah, tell
them the backdrop of the story of the song.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
You actually sing the song.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
But like when you hear somebody say, like, man, you
know cause sometimes you just take for granted until you
hear them and they're singing and they're not on the novel,
but they're actually singing and you can hear it. Like
when you hear Fantasia people be playing fan.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
She's nothing, she ain't nothing to play with her, don't don't,
don't come behind if you don't know what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Jazzmine song, I'm talking about you talk about people that
got I'm talking about can really they can sing?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
You don't not no sing? They can sing. Man.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
I've been watching Jazmine do that since she was eleven
twelve years old in Philly. I will go down to
Philly to hang out and me and music Soul Child,
all of us would be at the place called the
five Spot. Okay that the Roots had a jam session,
so she had to come in with her parents because
she was under age, right killing it exactly how she's
doing it now. I'll say, whoever she is, I never
forgot her. I was like, I've been looking for her.

(18:02):
So when she first finally came out, I was like.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
That's her.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I knew it.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, she's something.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
So so let me let me ask you this, Like
when you like Jasmine Sullivan, Jill Scott, Fantasia, you you
tour a little bit right now with with Fantasia when
you go in, so so what's your mindset when you
go in and you get ready to do a song
with say a Jill Scott or you're getting ready to
do a song with a Jasmine Sullivant, What's what?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
What is Anthony Hamilton's mindset?

Speaker 3 (18:28):
I want them to like it. I want them to
love it so much. Uh, you know, I just want
to I don't know. I want to find a perfect song.
I want them to be ab express themselves and like
the idea or the direction that I'm going right, I
want to love the idea of that right that they
have for me because I want to be able to
do my best. So I want to be able to
give them what they expect of me, but it's super exceeded.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
So you you want to be a situation like, uh
uh who is this?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
H Stephanie Mills and and and and Teddy Pete, come on,
Rick James, and what's our girl?

Speaker 4 (19:04):
What's a Tina Marie Peter Marie?

Speaker 2 (19:07):
The fine desire?

Speaker 1 (19:07):
You want that kind of passion when when when when
Stephanie Mills is singing and she's looking up at at
Teddy p that's.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
One of my favorite.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
That's that's that's kind of the collapse. That's kind of
the connection that you want to have.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Yeah, you want that synergy, man. You want the energy
to yes to make sense.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
You want people to feel the energy that you're creating
from because that's ultimately what's gonna sell the record right
until you get it out live. You got to have
that energy in there. You want to you want to
be able to have that kinship.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Give me your dream collab man, Wow.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Definitely I was Me and d had talked about getting
this to D'Angelo was definitely one. But Lauren Hill, I think, Okay,
then get in with Lauren Hill. Oh man, she might
be late though, I mean I wait on. I mean
I'm gonna wait on him.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Just go ahead, Lauren Hill, go ahead, take a yeah,
but know you go see on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Fright.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Absolutely, I'm gonna be right in that way and on
the same outfit because I picked it out for her.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
You have released unreleased songs with John Legend, Todd Dolland
and Jaques. Yes, yeah, you're ready for him to come
out of it brus.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I think that John Legend, definitely, it's a big record.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
You a Legend on one.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, man, it's a song actually he wrote it, and
it was a song that he sent me a few
songs and that one stood out to me, and I
can't wait for the world to hear that one song
with Jack.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Queeze's it's pretty dope.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah yeah, Anti Tie is just so that he's a
he's a maniac with the pen.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Do people have a call it? You say, no, I'm good,
but you're more more pleasant than that. But you know what,
I'm busy. I gotta you know what, let me check
my refrigerator life, I get back.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
With you, you know what I have And one that I
really regret not really making time for. It wasn't the
fact that I didn't like what they were doing, but
I was just touring so hard.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Pit Bull really got I'm I.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Ain't on to it right now. Pit Bull, give me
one more chance, give me, give me, give me one
more chance. So yeah, I just love what he's done, man.
And at that moment, it was early in his career
and I was moving around a lot. But that's one
of the ones I just keep kicking myself about.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
You did I think a video did a song with
the Baby Charlotte?

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah? Yeah, homeboys? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
So what's what's it like?

Speaker 1 (21:32):
I mean, because you know there's something about a homeboy,
there's something about someone from North Carolina. Absolutely, he's from
North Carolina. You're from you're from you know, right here
in North Carolina. So what what was that? What was
that endeavor?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Like?

Speaker 4 (21:43):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Man?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
You know, working with the baby like he was on fire.
I mean he came out and I heard about his name,
but when he came out, he hit he was on fire.
So I was like, Okay, I know he's gonna have
a lot of energy. Yes, he's got that baby energy.
But was gonna speak to a similar lingo when I
was in the studio when it was after the Grammys.

(22:06):
We went into the studio saying on a song with him,
and we went into the studio after that and we
wrote blank, and I started saying a word that only
North Carolina people will say, she's gonna make me blank.
You're gonna have me pulling out a pistol, and certain

(22:26):
words like well, you're gonna make me blank? He knew
what that is, right, You're gonna make me go acting
donkey or if you shell shal as hell. So these
lingo we start talking about just being in Charlotte and
just a certain conversation that we have and certain lingos
that we have.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
So we just just.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
You know, bonded on that being North Carolina, and I
think that opened the door for him to just trust me.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
You mentioned that you and Jodysy are related. When did
you When did you realize that you guys were after
you guys had made it or you knew you knew
each other like growing up did when you had family
function they came and you were there, You're like, oh,
we related.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I think, you know a few times my family tried
to tell me, you know, they you know, just kidding
them through the truesdalees. I was like, okay, cool, but
I didn't you know, I ain't paid no attention.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
But then as as time going I started looking at him.
I said, well, they kind of looked like my people. Yeah,
and it wasn't a two case. He said, well, you know,
becauzins Truesdale and I was like, well maybe maybe maybe
it's some truth to it. Yeah, And so my you know,
I started asking around and was like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, you got you ended up opening from there.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
The first tour I ever been on was the tour
with Joe to see the Freaking You tour, right, and uh,
you're talking about I thought I wanted to be in
the music business. I thought I wanted to be around
the girls.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
But the.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Know, women that will come to those shows and the
after parties and the ha.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
You're like, yeah, I picked the right profession.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, but I was. I was a little nervous.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
I was like, boy, this is a little more than
what I Oh, it was a lot.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
It was a lot.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
I mean, they were able to just get there back then,
I think people had access to be in your space. Yes,
a lot more yes than they do now. And I
was like, I'm not ready. I wasn't I had to so.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
What so what was it? I mean, I mean like
I got I mean, we got family. You know, we
toured and I got opened up. I mean, you said,
that's your first tour. You don't want to mess up,
even though you know we might be related, but I
still want I'll still want to do right.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
By absolutely, absolutely, and even still now we shared some
of the same stages because Casey was like, Anthony, my cousin,
but I'm gonna have to, so we all joke about it.
One of the guys in the tones as our cousin
as well as a guy in the middle j. So
it's always a friendly competition of family competition, you know,

(25:05):
because he's a bad boy and I learned a lot
from him. But yeah, you you know, you want to
make them proud and you want to represent them, and
uh it's fun too.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
But you know what the thing is that you're trying
to make a name for yourself. You want to represent them,
but you know, you don't always want to be the
opening act. You want to be the closing you want to.
You don't pull the curtain the curtains.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Absolutely, I can shut the curtain now. I can shut
the curtains now.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
You know it's I made it.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
I made a name for myself when it comes to
hitting the stage, I perform really hard. I give a lot, yeah,
and it's kind of hard to come behind me. If
you don't have the same passion, you can't measure up.
It's gonna be a problem.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
If I get who would you like to go on
tour with? Wow, I'm gonna get it's a tour, it's
three of y'all.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Ah, it's three shoot. I think that one of those
tools I've done really Maxwell.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
And Joe, Maxwell, Anthony ain't gona lie. I mean I
think I done saw Maxwell like eight times a concert. Yeah,
in incredible every time.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
He is unbelievable. Absolutely, I'm trying to figure out how
you still moved like that.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
I'm I'm about to say them needs. He didn't get
them needs from t move needs.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
You know, incredible man, and Joe's absolutely flawless and vocals
is always on point.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
You know.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Another great tour Fantasia, I we do really well.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Wow, Fantasia you next, yeah, man, man, another tour. It's
so many out there. Man, I like to do her,
me and her and uh oh yeah, it's a young

(26:53):
guy coming up. His name is uh e J the
Chosen Voice. He's a young I mean he sounds like
Johnny Johnny guitar Watson, but.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Johnny Taylor.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Okay, okay, this young guy man, look him up, man,
he's incredible.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Oh you know who? I would like to see you
do a song with Michelle and deggio Cello.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Love her and I was trying to work with her too,
and she was ready and I don't know what happened.
I think my manager got me busy, and you know,
but still I love you too, Michelle.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
I had to learn how to say that.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, yeah, see you fancy you got all that fancy education.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
But I've seen her probably she's eight ten times and
from Colorado to La to Atlanta, the variety of playhouse.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I saw a little small intimate things.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, like when I when I like something, I'm going, yeah,
I'm going and and I love I love that soul.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
You know, I don't got old now.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
I can't be in all that noise bouncing around that I.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Just want to sit down, yeah, and enjoy yourself.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Have a good old time.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah, go to chat you know Atlanta, go to chat
thing part Oh.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Man, that's a man.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
You know another spot that is good too. It's in
La what's the one that's outside Yeah yeah, yea yeah,
Hollywood Bowl?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah nice? Yeah. Man. I saw Max Well there so
John Legend there.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Oh yeah, I've seen a little bit of John there.
I think I was there for a minute. It was
some kind of function going on, but I saw a
chance of rapper there.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Really.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Oh he's incredible too, man.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I'm gonna check that out.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
You mentioned you were like in transition from like ninety
three to O three, and then you signed with Social Death.
You signed with Jermaine Dupre who had a party, who
was up on.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
The air stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I'm not mistaken. Yes, yeah, so what was that? So
how did how did where did you? How did Jamaine
stumble upon you?

Speaker 4 (28:51):
His father?

Speaker 3 (28:52):
His father heard me singing at a Grammy brunch really yeah,
and this is when you know, I didn't have a
deal or anything, and I was just like I had
been working with Mark Batton, who allowed me to come
produced Charlotte Charlene and Can't let Go. He produced Coming
from where I'm From, but he would let me come
down and just sing it right for free because he

(29:13):
was just a fan of my boy.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
And that's how these the songs came about.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
So the Grammy Brunch they invited me to sing, and
before I went on stage, I'm sitting in the back
and Komora Lee Simmons was staring at me and I
was like, Okay, this just feels weird. And I didn't
even know who Michael Marten was. Isaac Hayes introduced me
on stage. I sang Coming from where I'm From like

(29:38):
it was the last song I ever had a chance
to sing, because at this moment I was ready to
give up again. The moment I got off stage, Michael
Malton came and say, hey, I have somebody I know.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
I think you should talk to.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
My son.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
I said, okay, my son is Jermaine Duprix. I said,
oh wow.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
He said, we just had a conversation about this type
of singing and this type of music. Do you mind
having you know, if I hook you all up or whatever.
Absolutely not, But mind you. I had met Jermaine Duprix
back in the day where he was running around and
taking chriss cross around right, and I want to his
attention because I wanted him to know like I want

(30:20):
to sing. But he was busy. He wasn't rude, but
he was just busy. I was saying I have never
signed with him. I told him this, saying I never
signed with him. I was just in my feeling. God said,
if you want to make God laugh, make plays and
you know, one.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Of the best collaboration. We're still great friends right now.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yeah, samply.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
M, you okay with letting the young artist jump on
something of yours?

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Absolutely absolutely, I think it's you know.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
You ever tell him? No, you ever told anybody?

Speaker 6 (30:49):
Though?

Speaker 4 (30:50):
No, I don't think I had to. I think they
come to me with the right stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
If you come to me talking about killing shooting, I'll
kill you twice.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
I may not want my music on that know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (31:00):
But uh or anything that's being disrespectful to any any
walk of life. But for the most part, I think
they do me.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Well.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, who are some of the young R and B
artists that you that you that you like that you
know what I can I can?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I can rock with this.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
I love her. I like Gibbeyon, I like Friday. What's
his name is? Lucky Day?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (31:26):
I think he's a bad boy. He's a great writer. Wow.
Who else I like? That's a few really good ones.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
October London came out right, he came out with the
Marvin Gaye.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, that's Snoops Guy in it.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Yeah, Snoops Guy. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Who else?

Speaker 4 (31:48):
I really like him right now?

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Leon? I like Leon Thomas. I like what he's doing.
There's a few out there. It's really really good.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
B BJ Chicago kid, that's my boy. Man, he's dope.
He's a dope.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
It's a dope. Brother.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
When you're driving around, do you listen? What do you
listen to? When when Anthony is in his car and
he's driving around? Yeah, what are you listening to?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Man? You know what?

Speaker 3 (32:10):
I make these playlists with different artists on it. I
might listen to Gunner okay. Uh, I may then I
go to Tupac and then I you know, I may
go to al Green.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Right, So it just depends on what mood I'm inn.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
I do like to have an open playlist because you know,
I want to be able to have these different emotions
and it be all right right, you know. And now
ain't no better place than in your car. You be singing,
I'll be singing the hell. Hell, I might even say
Charlayne if it come on at the right time. Yeah,
I get it to you at the real life.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Have you have you ever been have you ever been
on like a taxi or uber and your song come on?

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Absolutely it didn't look at the mirror.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
That's you. That's your part right there.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, I just start singing, and you know, they don't know.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
Sometime I tell them. Sometime I don't, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
But if you if you start singing, it's like, man,
you sound good.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you sound good.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I say, yes, that's that's absolutely actually my song, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Streaming. What are your thoughts on streaming? Because I get
different you know, different people say different things. Some people say,
you know, you make good money. Some people say, oh,
you try to kill it.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
They I mean they trying to kill us. I mean
it's just it's just robbing. You're just robbing you man.
You have to you have to spend so many times
to get anything.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Worth taking home.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Man.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yeah, you know, they really did us in with that one.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
And I'm shocked and disappointed that we didn't stand.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Up and speak out.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, like the actress and actresses did I think it
got too far gone?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's probably not gonna because I don't know
if we're ever gonna be able, you're gonna ever be
able to sell the hard copies like you once did.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I don't think excuse me, the.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Tower Records are gone now all you have a little
specially Bobby Pop shop.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
They still sell vinyls. Yeah, yeah, but what used to be.
It used to be a thing, and you know, we go.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
And listen to it in the headphones, you put it
come on, man, Yeah, I missed that Virgin Records and
the Tower and you know, yes, those are the good days.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Now it's just m.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
And you get you get the eight track, you get
to record and everybody had to be quiet because you
can hear it in the background, the eight track.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
That those were the times, man.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
The great time. That's what made me want to be
a part of the music business. Now it's just you know, you,
you you make your living and you and you and
you make uh make your fan base happy and enjoy yourself.
But in terms of the music, how how it feels,
it's pretty sterile, pretty disconnected.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
If you ask me, you were struggling artists go to
New York and that's less than seventy bucks in your pocket. Yeah,
what made you so convinced that you were gonna make it?

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Because I not making it wasn't a knock option. No,
I had to because I had been living in and
breathing it and it was in my blood too deep,
Like that's who I am. It's like me dying. Did
you ever want to quit a few times but not
enough to really do it right?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
You know?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Who could you call it when you were having those
moments where things weren't going your way and there are
times that you felt like giving up? Who was someone
that you could call and they said, Anthony, it's just
right around the corner.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
My best friend Chop, who used to drive me from
Charlotte to New York and numerous times drive you.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
We met in barber school, So I'm a barber.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
I went to school to cut hair and do man
and women's hair. Yeah, he used to drive me. He
had a white BMW back then, and we get in
there and we drive all the way up to New
York singing playing yeah anybody Yeah? Edie came my friend
Mma Montgomery Edie came. Yeah, those two they saw the gift.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Hello, this might be internet because you know, you can't
believe everything on the internet. You can't believe everything you read.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Now, Aunt joe An, Aunt Joe Anne too.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Nick Cannon brought you to call your first Yeah, man.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, Nick Cannon did. Yeah, now you bet.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Nick.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
On the video set, he did a song called can
I Live, paying respect to his mom for not aborting him,
and so a song called can I Live. So they
wanted me to be you know, I did the song,
but they wanted me in the video. The night of
the video, I was supposed to have flown out on
the Red Eye and so you know it's gonna be

(36:48):
really quick. We're gonna get you in and get you out.
I was there for hours and you know, didn't complain,
ended up getting wed. It was a scene that I
wasn't really supposed to be in the water. I'm wet.
Never complained, and he kept saying, he's like, man, he's
just being so grateful and gracious. I want to do
something special for him. And so I have been eyeing

(37:10):
this old station wagon gold and it's like he loves
that car. And don't you know, Nick wrote that man
to check that night for that car. That was my
first car ever owning. Nick bought my car, my first
car before I could buy.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
It, a station wagon. Hu.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, nineteen seventy one, same year I was born. Damn,
it's a it's a had the wood.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
No, not this one. But I do like him. I
did want the word panel it. I wanted the truck,
the wagon there.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
But it's a station wagon seventy one gold and it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
I had to repaint it.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
You still got it.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Oh, absolutely, it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
You still got it.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Really, Oh it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
You're gonna never let it go.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
I ain't gonna let that one car.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Nah. You've had a lot of cars since then, but
you go keep that one.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah, I had too many, I haven't had.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
My first car that I bought was a Dodge d Rango,
and then after that I got an Infinity, a huge one.
Then I finally got the big Boy. Now, yeah, the
twenty twenty five. But uh, he had not a lot
of cars. You know, my ex wife had a few, right,
But nah.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of hard for you having anything.
Now you got six kids.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
I mean, you know, you got you got a little buss,
you got a sprinder man.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
See what happened when you come to club yeah with
six boys?

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Man. Look, yeah, that's why I sing I ain't you available?
Hell yeah, I'm available and tomorrow too.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Well, obviously you've been in the music game for two decades.
Make good money. What is the one thing that you
learned about money?

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (38:49):
The more you make, the more somebody needed. Well, you know,
money is one of those things like it's it's great
to have, but if you don't know how to maneuver
with it, then it's almost not it's almost like not
having it. You don't know how to invest it the
right way, then it's just it's sitting there and it's

(39:11):
not really doing a lot for not.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Working for you, like not working for you like it's
supposed to.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
And you know, I'm looking at these people like, man,
how is it that they have so much wealth?

Speaker 4 (39:24):
The right deals, the right investments is very important.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah, I mean, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
What do you think your best purchase? What's the best
purchase that you had?

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (39:35):
My home, my home, yeah, my first house under a million.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
You know, my financial vial at the time is a
black system like you don't need no else under a
million and wove the wood and all that it kept,
still still in it, still in it. I'm about to sell it.
The boy I got some equity.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
C celebreak. I'm about to see the hell out of it.
Excuse my friends. Yeah, I think that's the That was
very a very smart move. Yes, and uh, I.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Always got to have a place to call home.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Man, it takes a lot of the stress away.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Man. Yeah. Yeah, one place you don't need fifteenth.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Places, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
I tried that having a place in La And yeah,
it's just it's just way, it's just too much.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
It's just too much. It's like stop.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Did you see a single Kevin McCall like ebt?

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (40:38):
That was heartbreaking man, such a great writer, and he
had a promising future. Yes, you know, I just think
sometimes my personal stuff getting the way of of of
you know, our growth and relationships are important.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
You know, you gotta you gotta chaish those relationships.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yes, yeah, it's it's like you said, I mean, when
you make so much and not how much, And I
tell people it's not how much you make, it's how
much you keep. So there have been a lot of
people that's made a lot of money, but they can't
keep any of it. So what have you actually done?
What have you actually compid? Yeah, I'm afraid of that.
I don't want to be.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Poor no more in no in, no way, no no form,
poor spirited or you know, just just want to be better.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
You an American Gangs? Did you get to meet that?
You get to meet Denzael? What?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
I met Denzel at the seventy fifth anniversary of the Apollo?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (41:31):
And don't you know? He remembered that?

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Really?

Speaker 4 (41:34):
He asked me on the set of American American Gangster.
I bet you don't know. I bet you don't know
the first time we met. I bet you don't know it.
I said, yes I do. He said where was it?
I said, the seventy fifth anniversary at the Apollo. That's right,
that's right? Did that? It's good to have you here.
It's such a class act.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
How is it?

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I mean, we get an opportunity. We've never been on
set with him. All we see is the finished product.
But to be there and to watch him jump in character,
I hear. He's very serious about it. He takes his
profession to the up teeth absolutely. And you know, people
are there excited and want the pictures? He said, no, no,
we're not here for no pictures. We're not here for pictures.
We're here to make this amazing movie.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
We're here to be great and all that classy though,
But you don't feel offended, right, and he goes and
he nails it.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
But what makes what do you think it is that
makes him special? Because we've seen him do Malcolm X
and he looks like Malcolm. We've seen him do Hurricane,
we see him do American Gangster. We've seen him uh
in Spike Lou Spike Leeds movie Inside Man, and we've
seen him Devil in Devil in Blue Dress, and we've
seen him in so many things.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, Eli, yeah, oh man, what is it that makes
him special?

Speaker 4 (42:48):
He keeps a little piece of Denzel in it. Nobody
else can be that.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
I think that's his special sauce that Denzel the swag,
you know, even when he's.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Uh the what's the gangster movies? Equalized it?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Oh I caught on to those. Oh my god, I
didn't know they were so good.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, well, I remember the TV show that used to
come out. He used to come on.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Wow, I had no idea, but there's always a swag,
there's always a personality that only he possessed, and he
knows how to become the character. Well, you forget he's Denzel.
I was so mad at him in training day.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Did he play that bag of what?

Speaker 4 (43:27):
I just didn't. I just didn't like him. I was mad.
I was like, man, God, he's such an evil man.
But he was so great.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Jake, I'm gonna get that money.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
How do you transform yourself into this character?

Speaker 4 (43:42):
That deep man?

Speaker 1 (43:42):
And he what he's able to do is he make you.
He will make you believe that he's that.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I mean when you watch him in Malcolm Max, you
couldn't tell me that was Malcolm mack He. I mean,
they did a great job with Bacol. It would make up,
but the way he spoke.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Bodied it incredible.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
He's incredible. And you also on the set of Empire
with the Terrence Howur.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah, terres is a buddy of mine. Terrece likes music too.
He plays the guitar.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, because yeah, what is that when you singing what's
the name of that song? When he was in Memphis.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Oh yeah, yeah that movie Hustle. Yeah, yeah, I mean
he loves music. He's a music head man, and he's
a character. Every now and again, every couple of years
he called me, he found my number and called me.
There's been a couple of years, Terrs. Where you're at, uh,

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but he normally keeps in contact.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Man, you was on the Chappelle Show. Yeah, what's you
know what I think? Look that you can have a
lot of guys, but the way he's able to tell
a story. Yeah, he he's at the top of the
He's at the top of the food chain right now.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
He is the top he is at. Absolutely, he's such a.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Man.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
He's such a technician when it comes to taking comedy
and making it more than just comedy.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yes, because he could.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I mean, you know, you take real life events, you
take your events and you make them funny.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
He's so the way he could weave incredible.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
He's he's he's he's the goat. He absolutely Chris Rock
is another one who's in credit out.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I love Rock.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I saw both of them at the Radio City Music
Hall and.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
They were hotly Wood Bowl a couple of years ago. Out.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Oh that's that's a really great if you can see
those Kevin Hard I was disable to you know, go
check out the show and hang out backstage with him.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Incredible.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Oprah Mm hmm, you're on the show. What called they
called me Dad? You on oprah show?

Speaker 5 (45:46):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (45:47):
I did, absolutely, I almost forgot that. Yeah, me and
my younger three? Yeah, yeah, that was that was big.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
That was So what's the age range? So you got
the older three? That's what howard of the oldest?

Speaker 4 (45:56):
My oldest is turned thirty seven?

Speaker 6 (45:59):
What?

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Yeah, I'm thirty seven too. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
So you got an early start, early early.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Which clock are you counting? So look, I was I
was very young. I was probably sixteen.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, huh yeah, yeah, you so saying, okay, she was
older than me.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
I think I need to bring up on charges. How
far can you go back?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Not that far?

Speaker 4 (46:26):
You better watch yourself.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
But no, it was my high school high school, sweet
all right? So yeah, thirty seven, uh, thirty four and
twenty eight, and then Mike's wife had my my twins
about to be fifteen in a couple of days, and
my baby boy is thirteen. All I'm with you, yeah,
but well four of them in Charlotte, Arlotte. Anthony Junior,

(46:51):
he lives in Charlotte, but then in his own home.
But my younger three with me, like seventy five eighty
percent at the time.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
When I'm home, they.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Drive you carpool dad you you all that?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Huh every morning? Yeah, except for this morning. I had
to come here and the club. Yeah. So when like
you said that, when you're on the road, your ex
will take them. Yeah, yeah, they go there, right, and
sometimes she takes my little dog.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Really what a nice lady.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Having six boys, that's a huge responsibility. What do you
Because you said and I find this, I see this
a lot, is that when the father is not around,
you try to make sure you're more around because you
try to get away. You you know what it was
like not to have a dad, and you don't want

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your kids to feel like that.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
I work really hard to make sure that they know
I'm present, Like I go to school meetings, you know,
I try to help with homework.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
My brain my brain different.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah, but they're gonna fail.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
My base player his daughter, you know, been to to
ring my boys for years. So I'll make sure you
got everything that you need, right, But you know, I
just want them to know like it matters, Like I'm
just not gonna shove money in your hand.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
In right, and say that's gonna make it okay.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Now that's not gonna make it okay because they're gonna
resent me later on when money can't you know, offer
them and fix it.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah, it can't fix it.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Some things money can fix, but they're gonna be they can't.
There're gonna be some things that money can't fix.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, you're married. You mentioned you're mad.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
What fifteen years ten together, thirteen fourteen?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
How hard is it to end the marriage when kids
are involved? Because I'm not so sure kids really understand.
They're just like, okay, mom and dad together, and then
now mom and dad not together.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
You know that that's one of the things that make
you want to fight a little harder because.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
You don't want to break it up.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Break that up. You want them to have that perfect family.
I think we all dream of having a perfect family,
mom and dad in the house. But you get to
a point where it's like, do I want them just
in the house around something that's not as healthy as
it should be.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Yeah, it's hard, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
It's hard when you like staying together just for the kids,
because yeah, while we want to do the right thing,
but we're miserable. I mean, how long are you going
to be miserable. I'm not going to say that you
were miserable, but I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
No, I get it, I get it.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
I don't want them to think it's okay to accept
anything that's not you know, up to what you what
you deserve, right, Yeah, you know the quality of life, man,
it starts with the relationships you allow yourself to be
in as well.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Would you get married again? Absolutely? Yeah, you have more kids.
That wasn't sure. That wasn't so quick with that.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
You know what it depends. I know I'm praying. I
was like, Lord, what is going on?

Speaker 1 (49:54):
You trying to hold on? That means you'd be going
to the high school graduation at seventy one. They're like,
you shouldn't do that, a little market, shouldn't grandfather, But
I have I have on sneakers.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
That's my grand My grandfather knows my daddy.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I wear some sneakers. I'll be going Ordan, I'll be
wearing some sketches. Yeah, yeah, I know you're a snigger
here too.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, you gonna the schedule.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
I might have to I might.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Have to go.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
I might have to I might have to go to
some special shoes. You know, that's that's a hard one
for me. Yeah, you know, because it's like starting you're
still on the road, still on the road, and you know,
changing pathers and all that stuff, the hard parts that I.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Made it through. Yeah, you don't want to do that again.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
So that's when you're dating or trying to be in
a relationship at this age. You know, whoever you choose
to today, you have to take all that in consideration.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Well, I'm taking in consideration. She still a child bearing years.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Move right along.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
What's the dating seemed like for Anthony Hamilton?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Are you? Are you a difficult date?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
I'm pretty simple. I like good food and good conversation.
You know, we're gonna have a good wine. Make it
a good one. Yeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Dating is different.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
It's dating different after you get after you've been married
for the length of time that you've been married.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, because you off the market for a minute.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
So it's dating different now than when you first Let's
just say when you first started and you were dating.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Is it how much different is dating now that it
was then?

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Well, you want to be able to go somewhere and
be regular, Yeah, I think that's the harder part, being
able to go somewhere and sit down and have a
meal without interruptions and uh, you know, and choosing people
that that you feel have really good intentions.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Yes, you know, that's that's weaven through that hard. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
And then I don't want to talk about my favorite
color and all that. I don't I don't care about
the ain't no color. I just yeah all that. Uh yeah,
you get up to a certain age, So so what.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
You got to talk about something at where you talk
about what you like to cook, what's your hobbies, what
place you like to go?

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah, I mean, you know you do it, but.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Just just.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Where I'm wearing it. Cut the conversation now, I'm just kid.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
You know, you get to know people, listen to their
stories and you share stories and you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
How long do you date before you bring someone around the.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Kids or No, I think that takes that's a that's
a very very protective space for me.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, I don't just let anybody in my house. I
don't even have parties and stuff in my house because.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
You know they're gonna go back and tell mama. You
know that.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
No, I mean, if you ignorant. I mean, yeah, you
know she has a right to know. Who's a round up?
Absolutely because I want to know, Yes, because I pull up,
like what's going on? But yeah, you know you, I
think the spirit has starting to speak. Some might take
a little more time and some don't ever make it,
and then others just like this person is pretty decent.

(53:19):
The energy is good. And you know what makes you
take more time? When they're trying too hard to be
a part of your kids, be in a space when
am I going to meet the kids? Neville? Yeah that
that that that bothers me. When you're trying too hard.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
The relationship with your parents. How different are you with
your kids than when your parents work with you?

Speaker 3 (53:47):
There's some similarities because I'll bust you about to tear
your tail up, but.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
You know I want to. I want to give you
a voice.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
You know, at a certain age you should have to
be able to express yourself. And I hear of you
and and just take that and start to guide you
based on who you are, as opposed to making you
be who I think you should be. So I think
back then they didn't know no better.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
No now we have. It was no reason you no
reason what a child.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Yeah, they tell you what you were gonna eat, and
they tell you what you were thinking, They tell you
what you were doing.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
It wasn't no, Well what would you like to do today?

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, you gonna do what I tell you to do,
eat what I put on the table.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yeah yeah. I got a liveit of that in men.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
So I try to keep a good balance, be friendly
without you know, blurring the lines of.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
The respect, because I think to now now, in today's time,
we got too many parents want to be friends.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
That's where you go round.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
I'm not your friend, your friend down the street. Yeah,
our dynamic won't ever change, no matter what. You're always
gonna be dead and you're always gonna be the child.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Absolutely. I told him I was born first for a reason.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
And uh, you know. We can have a good time.
We can hang out, have fun and watch movies and
all that. But when I tell you to do something,
I need for you to do it, yeah, and do
it with excellence.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
But you know what we couldn't ask.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
We couldn't ask our grandparents why when they said do something,
we couldn't snack?

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Why get smacked in the mouth. I done got smacked
in the mouth so many times.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Suck it.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
What I didn't know that was cussing. Oh, I didn't
know that was cussing. So all that's cussing. Those a
curse word. I didn't know that until that backhand, that
back end mouth. Yeah, my mom my little mama didn't
play my grandma. She was with the switches. My mom

(55:44):
was with that back end. She had a main, quick
backhand close.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Man, So I learned to run really fast.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Because the thing is anthrom the way you and I
was brought up. You can't raise kids like that. You
going to jail, absolutely, you know, you know the jail.
But I'd be so upset at times. I might call
the police so they can watch. But you know, being
kids now, they have a lot of rights. Yeah, too many.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
I think.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Yeah, I think they have too many rights. And they
know it, yes, and they manipulate you, to manipulate the
system and so on. These kids now they look crazy. Yeah,
I love y'all. Y'all look crazy. They look crazy.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
You mentioned earlier that I think it's fourteen. You had
to make a decision that you was gonna give. You
got adopted by a family friend.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
From when I went to school.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, really. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Yeah, So when you told did you how did you
break that news to your mom?

Speaker 4 (56:44):
It was actually in the court?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Damn, you didn't tell her before me.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
I just was over there already. Yeah, It's like, I'm
you know, I'm just gonna go over here.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
And she said no.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
At that moment, I think she was just trying to
figure out what was pushing me to that, and so
she really, you know, really didn't have a say. I
just kind of just kind of left.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Did you and her have a conversation before it got
to the point that you wanted to leave or you
felt that you needed to leave? Were there ever any
conversations between you two?

Speaker 4 (57:27):
That was just anger in me?

Speaker 2 (57:30):
You're so angry you couldn't talk.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Yeah, I just felt like you, being a parent, you
should know better, you should be able to, you know,
do a little different, and so I just I was
just mad because I couldn't. I couldn't help everybody, right,
you know, you know, I just saw a lot of
people needing their lives to be different, and so I

(57:56):
couldn't change that.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
So I just followed all that up there.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
But you had some trauma, you dealt with some trauma
earlier at the age of seven, you saw your uncle
shoot your cousin's husband.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Yeah, that was pretty crazy. Yeah a nice man too.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Had you ever experienced death before? Did you know what
death was?

Speaker 4 (58:15):
I knew by going to the funeral, but I didn't
really know.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Right that was the first time seeing something like that.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
That was what caused him to get so upset.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
I have no idea uncle uncle, uncle Jay was He's
a hunt and do all that stuff, so he was
a wild man anyway. I just think, you know, they
had words and then he didn't like it, and I
think he had been on the bottle, so I think
they have probably had a lot to do with it.
But I don't even think he made a lot of time, really,
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Back then they ain't send people to Yeah. I don't
know what happened. I don't know what it was. But
back then people ain't really geting no time, like they
get you shoot somebody like that, Now you going to jail?

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Oh yeah, absolutely, until they stopped making coffee that I
can still see that. You never get that vision, no,
you never. It wasn't like a bunch of blood or anything.
I just remember them laying a pillow under his head.
After I heard the shot, I saw it.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Yeah, it was outside or inside.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
I'm side. We were in my grandmother's house looking at
the screen door.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
I heard him arguing the next day. You know, a
gun goes off.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Yeah, I heard him yelling, come you come outside, and
he came outside.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
I don't I don't know if I would have.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Nah no, back then that's what you know, you asking
for it, meet me such and such. Yeah good, I'm
gonna drive right on past.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Yeah yeah, I'm not. You know, my ego is intact. Yeah, yeah,
I'm staying in the house, right. You know, it's a
smarter you.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
You mentioned that you got your start, you went to
barber barber school.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
You good? You good with them clippers? Oh?

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Absolutely absolutely. I might not look like it because I choose.
You know, just just started making me groceries. I'm gonna
keep it. I don't want them to miss mishandle the
check and send it to the smooth face guy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Uh but yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm still You know, I
got six sons. You know, you want to say some money, but.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Oh you cut that, so you cut off you cut
the hair.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Oh absolutely, four of them have blocks now okay, but
they still want to fade in and shape shape up
and yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
You're good with the raid. Uh oh yeah you did
you raisor Shavee, did you do absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
You had to to to finish school fifteen hundred hours. Yeah,
so I did perms. I did Jerry curls back then.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
There they were. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yeah, the little smelly curre. I put the little paper
on that thing. Oh yeah, that looked like something, but.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
It's Jerry Carroll. That's Jerry Carell, right yeah man eight
oh that little that strap for that strap.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Man, you have to yeah, you had to. You had
to learn to do that taper fade. Yeah, and uh,
I think the curl, the curl. You had to be
able to do a curl.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
You still you ain't gonna let that go? You clean
this up?

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Sometime I sometime I do, and sometime I then it
gets boring. Then I want to you know, grungey no
shave you know, man, it's like, uh, this is a
Carolina dirt.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
You gotta you gotta known for the struggling beard. Now, huh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Your cat used to be mad at me when coming
from where I'm from, came out and I end up,
I cut it right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
It was so upset. It's like, man, that that's the struggle, right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
It represents a struggle for a lot of people like
you look like you struggle like me, and uh, really
people were really upset.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
It's like, fine, I grow it back.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Or whatever whatever is doing growing up a pearing, I'll
period back.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
I'm getting an opportunity to sing for your state team,
the Hornets, the national anthem.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Michael Jordan on the team. Yeah you ever made Michael? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Absolutely, Michael. He's supported me from from there one. A
lot of the tours and stuff, sponsored a lot of
a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Things for me. And uh, I've been getting some Jordan's
for yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Yeah, I see you had a couple of pair over there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Yeah, I know you're a sneakerhead. I was like, I
got if he try it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah, I see that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
I see that I had a few pairs one of
ups look at you. Oh yeah, oh these are things.
So I know you got a few pair, but DC,
these are the ones Jordans. I won one through thirty. Yeah,
but you only could pick two colors, right, So if
it's black and white all thirty pairs, it's gonna be black.
And White, so Me, Carmelo, Anthony, Brigitto, Barrett, and Kawhile

(01:02:38):
Lennet was on the team. So we had to outdesign people.
So we out designed them. We did the the number
one because they used to make his feet bleed, so
we created a number one called the Bloodline. But I won.
We won our team one, so we all got thirty pairs.
So this is one of us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Yeah, nobody has the chocolate with the bubblegum bottoms. So
I got thirty of these. If y'all want to buy
a big I'm the thing, and these are camellos. I
was like, I know you ain't got DZ no, but
I've said you got some, you got some.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Joint Yeah, I got some, but I saw I sold some.
I think, Uh, what was that November of twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Four you did?

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yeah? Yeah, I sold like three hundred pair.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
God dog, you sold three hundred, so you still got.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Probably like two seventy five maybe another.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
Three cook god yeah, you got me beat. Yeah. I
got hats though, or you a hat guy?

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Like I like my hats, God Dog, So you sold
three hundred pack?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Yeah yeah, I think three twenty three thirteen three twenty
three wow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
You know sneakers now they go yeah and they're yours.
Yeah yeah, you ain't even gotta do this no more.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
You got I just you know, the thing was us like,
you know what, somebody need to get some use out
of these I'm not wearing. I wear the same sneakers
all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Me too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
You know, now after you get so much stuff, man,
it's like it's just hard. I realized now I'm started
buying the same old jean jacket, just a different or something.
So you realize just cut it out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, man, Anthony, thank you for coming by,
thank you for performing, thank you for telling your story. Absolutely,
I'm absolutely certain how audience is gonna love this, because
love when we sit down and have a conversation, you
talk about this song, you performed the song.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Man. I can't thank you enough.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
I appreciate it. Thank you absolutely, thank you. Appreciate you.
Before I go, I have a gift. It is for life.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
It's a young designer out of Charlotte, North Carolina, and uh.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
He knows about your career and I want you to
have this for life.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
His name is Dub Dub yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Man number three, and uh he's a designer out of
Charlotte and an amazing musician.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Appreciate you, bro for life all my life.

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
Grinding all my life sacrifice, want to slice all my life.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
My life, grinding all my life sacrifice thatssell, play the
price and want to slice. Got to brow the dice,
swad all my life. I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
Mm hmm