DaBaby Part 1

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Speaker 2 (01:25):
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Speaker 1 (01:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:46):
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in all my life.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Hello, Welcome to another edition of Club Sha Shay. I
am your whole, shining sharp. I'm also the proprid of
Club Shasha. The guy that's stopping by for conversation on
a drink today is a Grammy nominated artist, a gold
and platinum selling chart topping artists, international rap star, feelings
performer songwriter, and a father coming to the club today.
The baby, how you doing, brother, It's pleasure to be brother.

(02:24):
Thank you for dropping. But I know you're busy. I
know you're busy. I want to toe started off the
right way. This is my cognac shaved by Laportier, shaved
by Lapoitier. Bro to all your success and appreciate fast
and future. Appreciate you bro hell what you think too?
Now that's smooth.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, you see that. I need a boy to take
with me. No problem, we got that. We got it.
We'll have to shoot home and gets you at We
get you a lot to take with you.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Welcome to the club. Grew up in Charlotte. Are you
all things Charlotte? You like to bomp the Hornets?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Uh? Panthers, y'all going through a little tough time, right.
I just gave my season, my floor seats, my season
tickets up for the Hornets this year. I told them
I won't be renewing my residency. Man. Look, you know
it's how I'll be back when the time is right.
You know, we got we're doing some rebuilding, we remodeling.
You know what I'm saying with the Hornets. My mama

(03:17):
Panthers fanatic me. I'm a Tom Brady fan. Okay, you
know what I'm saying. So I retired a couple of
years ago. I've been to Tom Brady since since we played,
since we beat the Panthers in the Super Bowl. My
mom had a Super Bowl party. I think she almost
made me sit outside the whole day. My MoMA make
me sit outside. Ain't going for her team? Like she
is a sports fanatic, you know what I mean. When
I just told her would coming to sit down with you,

(03:37):
She's like, what when he come out? You know what
I'm saying, Like she is a sports fanatic, man. So
you know, I'm definitely a Tom Brady fan. So I
retired from football about two three years ago. I'll be
I'm trying to find trying to take a liking to
somebody else knew, you know what I mean, and ride
it out with them.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
But I'm a I'm more of a fan of players.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Individually, man, than I am of organizations, you know what
I'm saying. But and and ath Leaves, they love rappers.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
And now that you're giving up your floor seats with
all your favorite players, the Jason Tatum to Lebron, you're
gonna miss him.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Now. Look I didn't met them all, you know, And
they come and look, and I couldn't keep doing that.
They'll come there, see me, there comes that up, Come
put fifty on me. You know what I'm saying. Every
time I'm Kyrie fifty Jason taytum, they hit the three.
Look at me, wink the eye at me. What I'm saying,
back peddling, I'm like, bro, we gotta do something about this,
you know what I'm saying. And I feel like the
hornet's much love to the organization, man, but you know,

(04:27):
and it's kind of like how Charlotte is as the
whole man. It kind of you know, they they just
they got it, honestly, you know what I'm saying. The
organization they don't. Charlotte ain't and Charlotte ain't never to me,
and from my opinion, ain't never did a good job
of you know, knowing how powerful incorporating culture into sports
and everything else is.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Like culture is a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
You know what I mean. When you got you, I'm
I'm I got floor seats. I got eight floor seats.
Now not just too so me my mama. I got
mama and the husband floor seats two for my brother.
We in there. You know what I'm saying, and for
you know, for me to it's my hometown, and for
you know, for the people that come in the whoop
us on the road, for them to come in and notice,

(05:07):
you know what I'm saying, what I bring to the game,
I shouldn't give them more energy to the woof us
than I'm giving the home team. You get what I'm saying.
They incorporated you enough. And I ain't tripping, you know
what I'm saying, Like I ain't tripped. That's almost something
you gotta pay for, you know what I mean here
and that, But you gotta like the players that come.
I'm talking about these stars, right, these stars, they'll come
tolw me to basketball, like shoot it. You know what

(05:28):
I'm saying. While I'm sitting there, I'll get up to
go shoot. They like they about to call the police
and put me out. I'm like, DN, y'all a tripping broll.
I'm supposed to DJ called on the sideline, people the
refs chopping it up with me and everybody. I'm like, bro,
I got you know this leverage? You know what I'm saying,
y'all need I want y'all to use me, you know
what I mean? Halftime shows, what have you. Whatever y'all
need me to do, use me to you know what

(05:48):
I'm saying, get the fans excited, to get the city excited,
to draw more talent in. You get what I'm saying,
Like they'll see, oh brother, they're sitting court side. Okay, Yeah,
that's a team I might go play for instead of
you know what I'm saying, have this team on my radar,
that team on my radar. You know, I just feel like, uh,
incorporating the culture into like you know, sports teams and franchises,
it holds value, you know what I'm saying. And I

(06:10):
don't feel like I don't feel like the Hornets was
was utilizing the value of that, you know what I mean.
I don't think they was utilizing the value of that
like they should have. Mike just sold the team. Did
you have you ever met Mike?

Speaker 4 (06:20):
I met Mike. I met Mike coming out the game.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Are you are you surprised that, given who he was
and his ability to play, that they weren't able to
feel field better teams.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
And be more competitive only reason I am? I am,
but I'm not, you know what I'm saying. At the
same time, because I know it's politics to go along
with everything, and not only that, like you know, for
the same, the same, the same thing I just spoke
on like I'm already used to my city, not like
they don't even know what to do with having Michael
Jordan is the you get what I'm saying, like I

(06:52):
would play on that from a business standpoint, from everything,
like I would.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I would leverage that, you.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Get what I'm saying, and use it, use it to
my advantage, which I'm sure they have in several other ways.
But it ain't. You know, that's okay, that's that's one
of the goats, right. You know a lot would say
he is the goat. That's that's the goat. Right, there's
Michael Jordan that ain't gonna make this team win those games.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
He ain't out there. You do what I'm saying, So
you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I don't feel entitled to, you know what I'm saying,
instant gratification or gratification three four, five years in because
it's Michael Jordan. They still got to go out there
and put that ball in the basket and stop the
other team from putting it in the basket more than them,
you know, I mean, that's just what it is. Well,
you have LaMelo.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I think I think I think he's finally got a
guy that he can build around. Yamelo seemed to have
it all that he had, the personality, has the Caribs,
he has the flair for the game. He makes people
want to come watch him. What's your thoughts on mellow Man.
I love mellow Man and he's super.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
You know, is is out there as people think he
is mellow Still he humble, you know what I'm saying,
Like he humble, his games control, he out there, he
ain't doing too much talking on the sideline like he ain't.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
You know, it's controlled.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
You know, you would think that somebody who'd been in
the line light before they made it to the league
would be one of them people to where you know,
they got to jump hurdles of of having too much
dip on their chip.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
You know what I'm saying once they're in the league.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
But now it's it's nice and he's a ball player, right,
mellow is a ball player, you know what I mean,
through and through any young in turn. But I feel like,
you know, when you got to start like that, you
get what I'm saying, Okay, then you got this component,
this this artist, you know what I mean, it's here
every game, every night. I feel like you gotta utilize
all that because he out here, he rocked with me,
you know what I mean. We keep up with each other,
you know what I mean, on and off the court.
We taped in with each other. But I think these

(08:24):
are things that you got to use to you know,
to motivate your organization and your players, and to make
sure they're having a good time. You know what I mean.
You don't want to have too much fun. Too many
fun come in trouble, you do, know what I'm saying.
But yeah, I feel like you're supposed to leverage that man.
But shout out, shout out to the Hornets Altogether's organization,
you know what I mean, and the and the different
key players for the organization. I mean, I have fun.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
What I was sitting there checking the games out.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
But you're thinking about going back in a few years.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, you know, I might be back next year.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Who knows. Okay, Okay, you know what I'm saying. Who knows, Yeah,
that might be back next year.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
If I say, okay, twenty players under twenty five, I
give you Mellow, Luca, joh Zion, Victor Wimber, Yama, and
check who's your first pick of guy's under the age
of twenty five? Mm hmm, Mellow, Ball, Luka Dancic, Ja Moran, Jion,
Women Yama Chat.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Hold damn, that's a conflicting question. Many here, we gonna
take it up.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
There's a conflicting question. Oh on, I'm gonna go with Mellow.
I'm rocking with the home with Mellow. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
I'm gonna go with you, Mellow. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
But I love Luca, love love John game too. Man
can't wait to see him get back on the court,
shake the you know, shake the boys shot off, get
back on the court too, for show me show you
know what?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Now that you mentioned y'ah as somebody who's going through
some things themselves, for sure, if you could sit down,
if Jaw was right next to you, if this team
reached out to you, what advice would you give Jaw?

Speaker 4 (09:49):
I actually I got It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Uh. I actually ended up you know what I mean,
on FaceTime on him briefly, probably about a month ago.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
But it'll be also simple.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
One thing about Ja Morant, and that's why I'm like, man,
it's a conflicting question. He from the Carolina, even South Carolina,
and I know how it is like coming from there,
especially when you come from there, and especially like like
if you hone in on his particular situation, not even
from a broad spectrum, like you know, when you come
from a place like North Carolina or South Carolina where
he from, it ain't it ain't even nothing like Charlotte.

(10:20):
You know what I'm saying. I think where y'all from
sump to South Carolina, where he from, where he from
in South Carolina, it ain't even like Charlotte. So I know,
you know what time it is when you're able to
make it to the just like y'all, he made it,
you know, to the damn near the top of where
you can make it a you know what I'm saying,
in his realm and his profession. I did the same thing,
you know what I mean, music wise, and I know

(10:40):
what come with it in terms of you know, having
having to go back in time and figure that out.
He's way younger than me, you know what I'm saying,
that I am. You know, by the time I made
it to where I made it to professionally.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
He's way young, way younger.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Damn there, six seven years younger than I was when I,
you know what I mean, first touched the bag and
got all this attention and and you know, love coming
my way or whatever, you know what I mean, getting
recognized for the hard work out to put in. Man.
But one thing, one thing about it, you know it
people around you or the people that you love, or
you know, if the people who you didn't grown to
become loyal to all that, it takes time for them

(11:15):
to adapt to what you got going on, just like
it take time because y'all adapted to it at the
same time. But they gonna adapt at a slow rate because
they ain't the ones out here really putting this work
in and really whatever, man, So you know, whatever you sway,
but I understand everybody. Everybody's gonna have to fuck up
somewhere along the line, you get what I'm saying. So
some of us is blessed enough to go through those
go through those fuck ups, jump them hurdles ahead of

(11:35):
time before we get that microscope on us. And you
know what I'm saying, and you know, others we got
to figure it out in real time man, and just
you know it take experience to teaches them lessons. So
it was all so brief. It's like shake I'm ready
to see you shake it off and get back to it.
It's as simple as that. Man.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
You know, I ain't got no I ain't got no
lecture for you.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
I'm flawed my damn self. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
So I ain't I ain't got no lecture for them
at I always just ready to see you shake it off.
Ain't ready to see it be the end of you.
That's the difference between me and you know what I mean,
you know, uh, the perspective that a lot of other
people will have, that'll be the difference. I'm really really
ready to see you shake it off and win, because
that's gonna be even even more of an accomplishment than
getting there in the first place was, you know what
I'm saying. So you have you have players, you say,

(12:17):
you know, tat them, DAP you up and KD and
carroenbody they giving me the jersey. I'm trying I put
fifty on us. I'm trying to leave.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
I'm trying to sneak out. I'm trying to sneak out.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
They yo, they talking to the interview of they jersey.
I'm like, bro, they see me, I live here, like
I gotta live here, Bro, I gotta ride around. I
gotta be my kids. I got to be safe. Bro,
I can't be y'all just put you put fifty on
us right with the straight face. How you gonna get
me the jersey? I'm supposed to walk out with the
jersey on, but that should have went the show, you
know what I mean? The horn, It's like, what's going on?

(12:48):
Like I'm motivating the white team. They they come see
me and it's oh, it's over. They like, let me
show you how to get out everybody from everybody from
bron and everybody. And they coming there and they see me,
you know what I mean. They they showed me. Yeah, look,
let me show you what I do when I It's
no different than how I would rock if they coming
to see me perform on stage, Like I'm gonna do

(13:09):
my thing and I'm a little distripinedation. Ain't nothing I'm
gonna look off to you, wink my eye at your
middle of the performance, winking my eye and everything. That's
what they own, Like they come down do something spectacular,
you know what I'm saying. But as an athlete, this
is this is stuff they train and do every day.
Winking AI at me, back peddling with the straight face.
I'm like, bro, stop doing that. Like and I'm making
faces when they I'm like this and I gotta hote
it because they're looking over their point and I'm trying

(13:30):
to make sure the cameras ain't on me. Man, So
you know I didn't. I didn't see the best of
the best, come be, come be the best of the best.
They showed me when they see me. They make sure
they demonstrate every time, you know what I mean. And
you know, plus you know Mike be sitting up there too. Yeah,
so you know they got they know what time it
is to that. But I think Mike then gave that up. Man,
Mike Ti, Mike don't want his flow seats no more. Yeah,

(13:54):
I mean much love to the Spectrum Center, the Panthers,
or I mean not the the Panthers too.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Love the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I got a sweet detr but the Hornets man and
the organization as a whole. On bammin from the Spectrum Center. Man,
I ain't you know I just feel like we need
to come together. It took you know, o g platform
for me to let y'all know, bro, y'all got to
open up them floodgates and let me come bring the
culture and attach it to you know, the athletics, and
you know it's gonna take us places, right you feel me?

(14:21):
Give me the top five NBA players right now? Top
five NBA players, oh Man, top five for me, in
no order, no order. I'm Bron fan first of all,
me and you wanted the same. I ain't playing about Bron.
We go. I'm going with wherever he goes, he go
to h he going with, I'm going to there you go.

(14:44):
You get what I'm saying. He go play for if
he go play for Russia, go them. I'm trying to
learn the language. You know what I'm saying that so
Bron of course, of course, brin Man, I always took
a liking the Dame. I always took it like in
the Dame stuff. You how can you not? Draymond? That's
my boy? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
I love I love a lot of things about Draymond
on and off the court.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
You know what I'm saying. He actually I performed at
Draymond wad you know what I mean? So that was
something you know, near and dear to me. You get
what I'm saying already being a fan of them, man,
and just you know what they represent. Uh, so you
know I got I got different But as far as
like if I'm talking like on like a skill from
like a skill set perspective, it's a lot of names
that I would have.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Five ain't enough. Bruh, you know what I mean. Somebody
gonna be offended. Let me go with what I did, Man, Raymond,
I only got one more.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Dang, you got one more? Damn. Some niggas gonna be
mad at me.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Boy, I got real relationship with these people. I know
you you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Let me think about one that I don't want to
mess up. Hold on, let me think about it.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
If I don't want Katie Jason tATu although if you
know Yann is like that, uh, Jana is a dog,
many it's a different type of dog.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I go with Yanni's and I and I don't got
a personal relationship with Jannis. You know, he's straightforward, He's
just trying to play bob. But I'm I'm gonna go
with Yanni's and just leave it at that. I ain't
even to stress myself out. Kyrie too. He love Kyrie,
you know what I mean, and just what he represents,
you know what I'm saying, like as a person like
I love Kyrie man. Since we're dealing with Boll. So
where we're at, we at Jordan. We we team Jordan,
we team Braun. I'm team Bron. I don't even really

(16:22):
got to think twice about that. I'm team Bron and
Bron from Ohio. I was originally born in Ohio, right,
you know what I mean? But Bron he always showed
me love always. I DM Bron. While we're sitting here
right now, like what's up? What's up Champ? Just checking out?
He gonna DM back. You know what I'm saying right now?
So you know I wrote with Bron always have from
from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
You see j Cole as Jordan's sole part of the
sold his the last ownership ship that he had in
the team. J Cole was one of the people that
invested money in purchasing How excited were you somebody from
your genre, from your side, from your walk looked like
you that was able to buy a minority here into
a professional.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
That was dope, man.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Beautiful thing, beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
You know what I'm saying, something you to be interested in. Yeah,
for sure. For show had an opportunity present itself, for sure,
and I'm able to take advantage of it absolutely, man.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
So hats off to j Cod there. That's major.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
What do you I mean Cold? I think Cold is
from Carolina too.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Yeah, he from Fairbel It's like two and a half hours.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, I know we used to play fair Bill state
you So what does it mean? I mean, think about it,
Carolina only so big?

Speaker 2 (17:22):
You cold? Right as you got Hamerton Pitty Poblo from
the rap side me Cold, pet Poblo.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
You know what I'm saying. That's all I were hearing
coming up.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
And a lot of people, you know a lot of people,
uh you know, they ain't really know if you were
a Cold fan or you know he from Fairville. You
know what I'm saying. But a lot of people, like
I remember, like as I was coming up in the game,
I'm doing press runs, I'm doing radio all that, they
only meant this PETI Poblo. That's all they had to miss. Think.
You know a lot of pet Poblo Pete Pablo. So
I always took pride in, you know, bringing a different

(17:52):
side of Carolina. You know what I'm saying to the
forefront in terms of you know what I mean, who
I am and uh and what I represent with my music.
You know what I mean. I get was and and
I'm pretty I know for a fact Carolina appreciated that too,
because it's a whole different you know, and this from
this era, from this generation, like you know we yeah, yeah,
we we different and we really have culture. We really

(18:12):
got you know, we really are forced to be wrecking
with in the Carolina. Carolina's is a major state for
a lot of everybody know about the Carolinas. You get
what I'm saying. So to not have several artists, you
know what i mean, come from up out of here.
But you know, I've been blessed enough to get the
way I've been able to get to and continue to
go to where I'm on the way to, you know
what I'm saying, within this within this game and in
this business, and and to be able to trail blaze

(18:33):
for even more people to come behind me and lead
that that avenue wide open. Like Tucca he from he
from North Carolina as well, you know what I'm saying,
So just the just to be a part of that
man representing you know what I mean, where we're from,
and really hanging in there after getting there. Man, it's
it's real big, you know, from the for the Carolina's
as a whole. Had to mention that when you talk Charlotte,
I'm the only one, you know what I mean, that

(18:54):
ever came from up out of the rat Wise, I'm
the only one that ever came from up out of there, man.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
So it's a big responsibility.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
But you know one that I you know, when did
I take pride in because normally when you think of Carolina,
you think of Carolina Duke College, you think tobacco, Rowe tobacco.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Exactly, Carolina barbecue. I mean, y'all got from you. But
now the rap you cold you remember to problem?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah nothing no display, no real real deal, authentic display
of the culture. And you know what I'm saying, what
it is like when you think, you know when in
terms of okay, coming to Charlotte, Okay, what type of
people should I expect to run in? How I need
to move with these people? What these people about? What
these people ain't about what's the tolerance for this? What's
the tolerance for that? You probably need to look at baby,

(19:35):
you know what I'm saying. You probably need to be
looking dead at me and then you know that'll that'll
get you through there. You know what I mean is
if I can navigate and you know, come to being
the top streaming artists, the top streaming rap artists in
the world from Charlotte, Oa, Carolina, you know that's that's
like putting your hands on the mountain and moving it.
You know what I mean. It took the faith of
a mustard seed, and I got it. I was able
to get it done. You know what I mean? I
read where you played rugby? Y'all? Did? I never knew

(19:59):
they had rugby team in the South. They don't my school.
It wasn't even an official team. It was like a
club team, so to speak. So we ain't even really
we wasn't even named after our school. My team.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
He wasn't the same colors or whatever. But I definitely
played rugby.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
That's not basketball football. Rugby basketball. Our basketball coach used
to make you up. He made all the all the
players shout out the coach, Rob Man. I ain't look
at BC this he because I'm sure you're a fan
of you. But he used to make I don't know
why you used to do that, Coach Robber. He made
kids cut their head like they're in the military. I
had braids at the time. I'm like, nah, wish my

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mom ended up making me cut anyway.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
I got a little slick.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
At the mouth one day. You say, as soon as
you get home from school, you cutting that off? She
stood on it. I got home, she yeah, getting the car,
you know what. You know, I ended up cutting them anyway.
But that's why I didn't move forward. That I would
go to tryouts every year and that thing make the
team and then you know, you come back once they
make the cuts.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
You already based they practice.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I'm not showing up. That's when you got why you
keep going out when you know that fan, I still
like to play the game and football, I ain't even football,
you know what. And it's a damn shame aside from
the summers, right football, you know you gotta do. They
started practicing in the summer. That was that was a
problem for me. Yeah, I'm like, you know, all right,
cool and uh. But then they also used to have to.

(21:16):
And this is crazy because I love to wear dress
clothes now when they used to have to dress up,
I didn't like that. I ain't wearing no suit, no tier.
You know what I'm saying, Like, I ain't. I ain't
get comfortable with that side of my swag until I
was a grown ass man. Get what I'm saying. Right,
So you played, you you went out for the football team.
You didn't like to dress up? What position did you
play when I played? So that now when I played,

(21:38):
I played for the football team. Right, And and this
is my life. This really was a turning point over
really with me. And on hindsight, this right now, sitting
here thinking about this, this when I you know, I
come to this realization.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
It's more about just you know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
I don't know if I did good with discipline early on,
like I think I would. You know, if I feel
like discipline is being when I feel like ego is
being incorporated in the discipline, you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
I ain't compatible with that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
So if it's because I remember I was on the team,
it was it was eighth grade, I was no, it
was seventh grade because it was only two seventh graders
that made the team.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
James Martin Middle School.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Our team was the truth too, unfeated, right, James mar
Two seventh graders made the team. It was me and
one of the one other kid that made the team.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Name was Dorrian. The details in this to let you
know it's one thousand per cent facks. Name was Dorran.
I ain't seen this twenty years, thirty years. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
It's me and Dorry and we made the team, two
seventh graders. And I had a math teacher.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
She was bad too.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
She was fine, named Miss David. She gonna see that
you looking at the math teacher in the seventh grade.
She was bad, talk like Rihanna, she was from the
Islands and stuff.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
I remember like it with a lot of people gonna see.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
This, they gonna bounce like she was. Miss Davis was bad.
But this, David, I don't know why you did this.
See I could have been a professional athlete, see what
I'm saying. And you know the bell. I don't know
how it was. You know what I mean. I'm sure
you you know what I mean. You excelled, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (22:59):
And in sports your whole life.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
The bell would ring sooner for football players so they
can break off before the school, break out at the
end of the day and get the practice. You know
what I'm saying, the ball run. They made the ball room.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
For football players. They made it nice football.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I get up.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
I'm in her class for the last period. I get
up and start.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
I do it.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
I'm supposed to pack up, go to football.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
And she not. Why you packing up? I ain't tell
you could pack up. I'm like, you feel this. This
was supposed to go all you know, man, somethin you know,
and let me not make this a let me not
make this a thing. But I know, you know certain
teachers when people having a bad day, somebody could be
having it's sort of like that thing when the person
in authority having a bad day, you know, and then

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they take it at that power exactly.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
It's that type. But I'm I'm that type.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I was that type of kid, Like I'm gonna ask you, like,
like what's wrong, Like what's going on today? Like you're
having a bad day? Like why you you feel me?
Like this is what I do every day? When this
is what I'm supposed to do. You give you what
I'm saying. So what's different today? What's different today is
how you feeling? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (23:56):
And she she call.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Herself making an example out my ass walked the fine
ass to the coach, to the to the out there
with the foot and then she's bad.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I told you it's not right. So the coach he's.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Sweet on her, of course, and need to tell me
we had this heel. We had this this infamous heel
at our school. You know what I mean, in the
back by the football field. Yeah, you gotta run thirty
heels again. I say who, I say who? They ain't
never see me again? I ain't never see me again?

Speaker 4 (24:25):
My exact words, who who never see me again? I'm
cool on that.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
This is what you got to do with the play
for the football, deal with people attitudes.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
And ain't got nothing. Oh no, I'm straight, I said,
I'm cool.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
You know what I mean? That was football. I was
already selling my little candy. I done been.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
You know I've been.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I got two cell phones. First of all, Miss Davis,
I got two cell phones. Eighth grade or not. I
still ain't got nothing right, but I you know, I
got something figured out to have two cell phones I
pay for over and a great But you know I
ain't if I got to do that in order to
you know what I'm saying, to do this, then it
ain't you know, it ain't the same thing to me
no more.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
So, Yeah, that was the end of it.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I saw you, I mean, Coach Prime out in Colorado
doing some great things.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
A little hard time right now, Coach Prime.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
But I saw you out there, and you've been recruiting him,
saying like, once you win a championship at Colorado, come
on down here and coach the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Man, I swear I love to see it. I love
to see it. You get what I'm saying. They seem
to understand, you know. I mean that's a prime example
of like going back to what I say, you know,
like how I feel like people should should leverage you
know what I'm saying, like incorporating culture into you know,
and seeing how it correlates with the direct success of

(25:33):
just the overall energy of vibe brought to organization. Man,
Like promise somebody who gets that, you know what I mean,
he gets that. It's a certain formula to it. I mean,
I'm pretty sure if you was to go back and
and you know, beginning the coach an organization or what
that like, people they gonna want to come play for you.
Not only because Okay, Boom you've been. You've made it
to the top of where you can make it in
this sport. You get what I'm saying, and you got

(25:56):
the super Bowl, you got all your Hall of Famer
allist not only because of that, but you know that
what you represent as a man, as a person, you
get what I'm saying, all these things.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
See, that's that's somebody who I want.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
If if coach Brown, will you if you say, boom,
this is yeah, you need to run to hell thirty times.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
I'm gonna well, somebody.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Made you do that before you. That's what it turned
to the champion you were. I bet I'm gonna do it.
But not just because you're sweet on miss Davis. Bro,
I'm sweet on the two. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
you know what I mean. So you know just the
just the directly related to mops personal experiences. Man, you know,
I definitely feel like that's super effective. I love to
see him anywhere. I love to see him involved with

(26:35):
with a with an NFL organization period.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Bro I think that'll be a beautiful thing for show show.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Do you think a lot of that has to do
with his ability to relate to the kids, because I
think a lot of times the coaches in today's society,
because we got social media and you have to be
able to get through to the kids and talk to
them on their level. Yes, that old yelling and screaming
and cursing it and.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
It worked for some. It worked for the ones that
come from that, that come from that old school tough
love you know what I'm saying environment, but for something
you know, and make him shut down. So I think
definitely his ability to be able to relate with the
with the kids, Bruh got a lot to do with.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
You know, why people would want it.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
He's just you know, he's a he's a prolific person
all the way around the board.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Like you know, you want to be around him, you
want to learn from, you want to.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Seek knowledge and you know, and just and just you know,
learn from from a person like that. You know, if
they tell you, look, there's a mistake, You're gonna trust that,
you know what I'm saying and see it through on
the other end. And for the majority of those who
have trusted that and saw it through. I'm pretty sure
they learned on the back of end of that that
that was that was probably the right move to make,
you know what I mean. Yeah, he's willing to teach us,

(27:39):
been taught man, and you can't you know, I got
the ultimate respect for that in any category, any business,
any lane.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Being from Charlotte, being from Carolina, your whole life, you know,
all the Panthers, all the great Panthers. Give me your
top three panthers.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Pleaseeez Smith, Cam Newton and uh uh Steve Smith, cam
new Man, we give you one more. I'm gonna go
with I'm gonna go with my boy. I'm gonna go
with my boy, Jonathan Steward. I'm gonna give it to
him as that's my boy. Tapped in with me and

(28:13):
you left Pepper. Oh damn the whole Steward, my bad bad.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
You know I love you, You know I love you. Not
Julius Peppers.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I'm ripping definitely number nine ninety nine ninety Yes, Julius
Peppers for show when you left Keith Ley off. Yeah,
I can't put him before Julius Peppers or Cam Newton
or Steve Smith. I used to that's my mama, so
turned man when it comes to sports and football, especially

(28:43):
in Panthers, she do not play.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
You know what I'm saying. But nah, I definitely I go.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I go Steve Smith, Steve Smith, Cam Newton and Julius Peppers. Right.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Cam was in Carolina for a minute, and Cam, you
know that lat lenage of black quarterbacks to Michael Biggs,
Lamar Jackson, Donovan pat.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
My hole warm with him, wave conversation. You gotta do three.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
You gotta in terms of like what black.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Quarterbacks and the impact on the guy. Definitely, Cam gotta
be in that mix. You gotta go Mike Vic, Cam
and now Lamar. I don't you know Donovan McNabb, But Cam,
I did you Bro, damn Bro the coach.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
I'm telling you he did. You know they got a lot.
Cam brought that swag. He brought this swag.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
You know what I'm saying. And that's while I'm that's
while I'm you know, uh like one of the most
you know, I'm one of the most turned local artists too.
I remember making a song called like Dab City where
I shot the video outside of the Panther Stadium. On
game they had on the Panthers jersey. I'm walking up
to people. That's when he incorporated the dance that everybody
was doing. That did that worked wonders for me? Me
being able to tie them two together. It worked out

(29:45):
for me. Give what I'm saying that. It also gave
the city something, you know, something to call theirs and
something to turn them up because we just had the
vibe going. We was undefeated everything. So yeah, yeah, I'm
forever I'm forever grateful of what they was able to
do that season. Yeah, and the energy and the vibe
they brought to the city turn me up, you know
what I mean.

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Speaker 2 (31:07):
Reading up on you. You big in the fitness, what's
your what's your training regimen? Like I try to be man,
I'm trying to get like you, trying to get like you.
That's what That's what it's like. One thing with me, man,
And you know, and I'm sure it's like this with
a lot of people. Is you probably got this this
good problem too. It's more it's more genetics than it
is anything like I can take. You know, I cannot
work out for a month, get in there for a

(31:27):
week straight and people gonna be asking me, boy, what's up?

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Who you're training or who you trained with?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
What you do you know is more so just these
good genes, this last name that I stand on Kirk,
it's that, you know, it's what I get from my pops,
and you know, just my muscle memory and how it's
able to just you know, stick to me when I
get to it.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
But I haven't been way more.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Consistent lately and hanging in there, and I felt like
I got em pulled something right there. Probably need to
let you about it, give me some point off, so
I'm trying to get like you.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
So so what is your what is your training regimen consistent?
But are you cross training or gotta? Oh, I don't
do no running. You'll do no running.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I don't do no So you ain't got no cardio
On that stage with them up shaking my ass for
sixty minutes, that's like the college. Get up there and
shake your ass for sixty minutes cardioc that's playing. Take
cardio to do it. It ain't easy, yeah, but I thought
you would.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
You need to do cardio to make sure you're able
to do that up there.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I'm doing that so much that I need to sit down.
When I get up says it's time to sit down man,
the people in the gym, they ain't running sixty minutes
right and and rapping words while they're doing it, and
you know, and still grooving to the beat, and you
know what I mean, transitioning in between this and that
and looking fans and the eyes and engaging with them,
you know what I mean, on and off and periodically

(32:40):
throughout all simultaneous. They ain't doing that.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
That takes some. That takes some cardio.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
But you know, I've been blessed enough to be able
to hang in that one we think I do cardio
when they see me, you know, my my ability to
you know, control my my wind and everything. You know
what I mean. When I'm either rapping or performing live
and no, I don't do no cardio.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
You know what I'm saying, No cardio, everything but cardio.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
So you beitch. What's the most you ever bench? The
most out of it was bench is probably two thirty
But this is so long ago bench it ain't something
like even it's probably two thirty five.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
But this is this is when I'm not even this was.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Like two thousand, this before I pub This is probably
like twoenty seventeen, Like two thirty five. That's the most
how to put it on there and even try. Probably
two fifty I didn't even put on it. And at
the time take this into account, at the time, I
was probably like one forty what swear to God? One mmm. Wow,
So that's you know, that's that's great, that's very good. Yeah, iolutely, Yeah,
one hundred plus found. Nah, I can probably I can

(33:34):
probably get in there and get more up off of me,
you know what I'm saying. But I an't benched. That
ain't even something like. That's the one thing I don't
got in my personal gym at the crib. It's a bench, bitch.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
One thing I don't got.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
So when you were you always were you always in
the waves? Were you always uh like worried about the status?
Like man, you know, to do a little bit, you're
getting the most assure a little bit.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
You're like okay, I'm nah what and you know you're
you're look at a picture of me like maybe seven
years going to be like, well, you're skinny as hell,
you know what I mean? Like, you know, we were
from the South. Your people call you Poe boy, you pop. Yeah,
I said, I was just joking with somebody about that.
The other day, like your people ever said that, like Pole,
Like yeah, you Poe, you need to eat something. You
know what I'm saying. So now it wasn't that once
something I was always into. My big brother, my oldest brother, Like, yeah,

(34:17):
that's definitely something he was into. Like he was working
out like he was getting ready to go to prison.
He was fourteen. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
He was fourteen years.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Old, work working out like he was getting ready to
go to prison. My mama kept her, She kept her. Uh,
that's one thing she made sure her boys had. My
mama a boy mom, three sons, you know what I'm saying.
I'm the youngest three siblings. And she kept us a
weight bench. You giving him. She kept us a weight
bench and kept us a punching bag and a speed
bag in the.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Garage, parked the car outside.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
You know what I'm saying, coming up once we did
move to the house that had the damn garage.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
So she kept y'all active. Yeah for sure. She let
her boys be boys. A boy's all boy, all boy.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I'm looking at you and you like in your when
you your beauty your videos are like movies and you
say you drew inspiration from Missy and Bust and the
big very bad creat very bad creative mind. And if
you look at their videos, they are like movies.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
No, for sure. Now that's something I've definitely got a
passion for, even from a you know, an even greater
aspect in terms of like film and television. Like I
draw a lot of inspiration from my favorite movies growing up,
or my favorite sitcoms or what have you. You know what
I mean, I draw inspiration from It's it's one thing
about you know, just laughter that you know it lasts forever.

(35:34):
You know, something that made you smile, something that made
you feel good, something made you laugh.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
You ain't gonna never forget that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Do you want to move behind the camera? Yeah? Absolutely,
I already am Okay, Like I'm already in the director.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
I've been building a production company the entire time.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Even when I see you know, the way you diversify
your portfolio and you got your media company going and
set up. I'm I'm a I'm a fan of that.
I mind add to the fullats. That's something and I'm
still figuring out how I want to go about doing it.
In my own way. You get what I'm saying. So
it's it's dope to see, man, And not only that,
you know, you can continue to shine light on who
you is as a person and get these thoughts that
we got up here, make them tangible, get them out

(36:09):
in front of us, man, and you know, and inspire others.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
I see where in some of you you're ripping off
your shirt.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
You like show. I like to do that, man, you
know what I mean, Let them know, let them know.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
But he exact package, the package here are looking a
strong you know what I'm saying. Yeah, the way you
shoot it, that's a very expensive process. Absolutely it gets them,
you know what I mean, It gets there and and
just like everything else, man, you know that's that's the
game is to be sold, not told, you know what
I mean. So that's knowledge I don't have to pay for.
I don't pay for their game. And now you know

(36:41):
I didn't. I didn't been blessed enough to have enough
experience to w I know how to navigate through a
lot of the holes that are that are send you,
you know, send you to the bank to go get
some money. Get this idea done. Now I know, you
know from the very beginning, you know how to set
these things up and how to produce these projects and
ways to where it's most costly fish, you know what
I'm saying. And I'm able to keep doing more and

(37:02):
keep doing more and able to keep you know what
I mean, producing more on my idea.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Why was it important to you to be different on
stage than a lot of the other rappers.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
That's kind of just like how it was already set
up to to begin with. So from the beginning, I
you know, I really commercialize myself, you know what I'm saying,
from day one, like from the start, like it was
never I never intended on you know, My target audience
was never the dudes is.

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Gonna be standing in the corner looking at you like
this me bugs that.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Ain't what I want. They ain't spending no money, right,
they won't do something to you, you get. I can't
do nothing with y'all. Y'all like it cool, I take it.
But my target always, my target audience always been the masses,
you know what I'm saying, Like from day one, and
and I feel like I got into a tremendous job
at walking that thin line of staying true and authentic
to myself, you know what I'm saying, and being able

(37:50):
to appeal to the masters.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Like, that's why my demographic is. It's so widely ranged.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
It you know, a two year old beating saw me
and drop they pacified their mouths and pointed to me
and they grandma at the same time beating beating rent over.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
I know who you is? Come here, you know. So
it's it's a demographic. It go from here to hell man.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
And you know that's a that's a wide window to
be able to jump through and do whatever within that
space and without you know, without without taking away my
integrity who I am as a person, you get you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Yeah, so I came in from the jump with that.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Why how did you become so feeless on stage? Though?
I had to be feelings in the house, you know
what I mean. I've been working on my yeah, exactly,
I've been working on my documentary lately, so that's you know,
there's something I've been exploring. I've been doing a lot
of writing and self reflecting, finishing up on my documentary.
But definitely, like every day in the house, it was
it was, it was it was the super Bowl. Every
day in the house. Who gonna get Who gonna get

(38:43):
the last drop of their milk? For the cereal we
got out that boy, you got the bang right, you're
getting I'm the smallest one. You get what I'm saying.
I'm the smallest one. Some days I had to finesse it.
Some days I had to tell my mama on the
ass end up getting a woman.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
I got you today. Some days I had to fight.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I had to lose a lot of fights that I
ain't never lost no fight outside the house, never undefeatedwell
outside the down. I ain't never lost no fight outside
the house. I'nna get my ass. It's gonna be in
him when I go out there. I got some for y'all.
I got something for y'all. Is it true that you
wore a diapers? It's absolutely true out of the ben
in Texas for the stage. It ain't because you wanted

(39:22):
to be you wanted to be the baby marketing guru man,
not even though I wanted to be the baby. We
had just switched the rap name. You get what I'm saying,
And at which I had already put tons and tons
of hours and and and you know when dollars in
the market and what the rap name was? You get
what I'm saying. I had did bot tons of promo
materials and don't put posters all over the place handed
peoples CDs. I used to holler at the club on them,

(39:44):
finess my way in there before the club open there.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Let me go in the bathrooms.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
I got posters on the bathroom start, but female going
there and used the bathroom, they closed the door. They
I'm looking dead at you because my Instagram all that.
You get what I'm saying. I get a lot of
my critical thinking done when I'm on the toilet. I
don't know about y'all get what I'm saying. So but
I had to figure it out early. But I say
all that to say this, like I had already marketed
the previous name, so well, I'm like, now what we
now changed the name.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
I'm like, bro, what we gonna do? You know what
I mean? Well, we're gonna do? And I'm like, I
know what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I watched this the Baby because at first, when I
heard the bag, I'm like, the baby, it's it's a person.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
That's when he could vouch.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I'm like, like the baby that ain't it ain't even.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Feel right to me say.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
It took me a while to even be able to
say it, because at first, baby Jesus exact that there
you go, so I wouldn't even say it, like for
a while, I had to say all my other aliases
along with it, just to like the way it roll
off my tongue.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
When I finally you know, but I'm like, okay, boom,
we want to switch to the bag. I'm like the baby,
I bet I got something. You know what I mean.
I'm gonna do this. He Oh no, damn, you can't
do that. Can't do that. I can't do that.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
You're gonna miss it?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, because you have, you already got a name.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
How hard is it? Because I can't imagine you know,
Snoop Dogg changing his name.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I can't. I can't imagine Drag or some of these
rappers change changing the new Yes, ain't like, bro, we
don't want to hear it, you know what I'm saying.
I'm like, nah, I don't you know. I'm afraid of
what that come with. You get what I'm saying. He's
starting back from ground one. But I'm like, nah, you
know what I got an idea. They when everybody went
against it, damn there everybody until I came around the
corner with that thing on. You tell nobody, I pulled

(41:11):
off one or two people out of the twenty people
I was down there with. And I looked it up
where I get these old man diapers?

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Over what I typed in?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I found the pens CBS. I stop at CBS. I'm
in the sprinter switch right there in the back of it.
Put it over my put it over my draws, right
just a case this thing. I don't know how safety
you fell off.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
You put it over my draw.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Got out there, man, look and stole the show. This
I did this. I don't know how many years ago,
probably six seven years. It's still ring bells to this day.
Ain't nobody utilized you know, Ain't nobody utilized that that
that annual festival the way I didn't utilized that. Ain't
nobody being able to draw that much because it's a
music festival and you got thousands and thousands of artists

(41:54):
down there looking to get trying to get Look, that
would premeditated murder, you know what I'm saying. Premeditated murder?
So did.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
They used to call Michael Jordan Black Jesus. Did you know?
Did you that with me?

Speaker 2 (42:11):
The baby Jesus name? Did I started off that, I
started off coining early on it was more so about
me me and I still feel this way to this
day in terms of my purpose as a person. You
know what I'm saying or what I feel like God
put me here is to do for others, right, you
know what I mean, Like, that's what it's all about
with me. That's why I'm most fulfilled. You know, when
I'm at the top of the world. You know what
I'm saying, getting four hundred thousand the show whatever I

(42:33):
can get on the song and say one fish, two fish,
red fish, bluefish, It's going top five on Billboard. I
had it like that, right, you know what I'm saying.
But I'm not, you know, I'm I got the straight
face until it's time for me to perform and do
my thing, like I'm not. Really that's not fulfilling to me.
Not doing for others and shining my light on other
people and you know, revealing the light within them to themselves,

(42:56):
Like that's what I'm about. That's what I'm That's where
I most feel that, you know, I'm saying, doing for others,
you know what I'm saying. So it was all about
that with me, just you know, like I'm here to
sacrifice myself to do for others. You know what I mean.
I read what little babies say.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
People try to create a beef with you and him
because he little baby.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
And I'm pretty sure that was on both ends, you
know what I'm saying, Like definitely, and that's just people
just being with people being who people with and hats
off to him. I don't think two people in this
industry right here could ever have two net because he
popped right before me, you get what I'm saying. I
actually ran into him at south By Southwest, but that year,
you know what I'm saying. I ran into him earlier
in that week before I got before I pulled my

(43:34):
my genius marketing move. You did what I'm saying. But
I don't think two people could have names that closely
related without it becoming an issue or one person's ego,
you get what I'm saying, or whatever, or insecurity shine
that through. It was none of that there, Elver. I
never since the second of it. It's too easy to do,
especially with him popping before me. He could have easily
just you get what I'm saying, Like he had the

(43:54):
leverage at the time to be able to this nigga
copy in me, right, you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
But he had he had already ran to me, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
So he knew ahead of time, like that's what my
name was or what I saw mentioning the enemy, like
he had already ran into me, you know what I mean,
down at south By Southwest. But he could have EASi. Yeah,
this isn't a copy of me or this or that,
but he was confident enough in his ability to do
what he do to not have to go that route.
You get what I'm saying. And as was I. You know,
that's plenty money out of airbody.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
And that's what I wanted to ask. He pops right
before you. He's a little baby, right you coming along,
dub baby?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Did you like? Damn man, I'm about to.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Let this up.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Nah, I ain't tripped, you know what I'm saying. I
ain't tripped for a second. You know, I'm a stand
up individual. Br it's too you know what I mean.
I get that to him any day on any day,
that's yeah, that's that's commendable, you get what I'm saying,
and honorable, respectable, just as a man outside of the artist.
You did what I'm saying. You gotta be a certain
type of a dude, you know what I mean. You
gotta be a certain type of dude to not take

(44:47):
the not take the the the negative route, to say
the word negative, not take the hater rock, but I
take the you know what I mean, the salty route
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
You gotta be a certain type of dude, man.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
So that's something I didn't always, you know what I mean,
respect brother Folk, especially with him being the one that
got through the threshold first.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
You know what I'm saying. I saw what Little Duball said.
You're the Spike Lee of this.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Your with.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I would have never thought you rapper would want the
transition and be what Spike Lee to movies.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
You want to be on that side, Nah, for sure, man.
I love It's It's it's I got a whole lot
going on up here, a whole lot of real life
experiences I went through before I ever even got behind
the microphone, and you know what I'm saying, and made
a song that you know, all the I got I
got vision, and I got experiences, and I got thousands
of thousands of stories that I could tell that that

(45:40):
can touch the heart, the mind, the soul of just
about anybody. I could check all the boxes. You get
what I'm saying based off what I'd have been through.
So I definitely and anything that I take a liking to, Like,
I'm that type of person. If I take a liking
to something, I immediately, you know, become engaged and learning
as much as I could learn about it, and and
you know, figuring out how I could operate in the space,
and you utilize, you know, my gifts and my blessings

(46:02):
to you know, put my touch on that and represent
it in a way that I feel like it ain't
been presented before.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Like that's what I'm all about.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Are you able to sleep?

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Because I think in order for you to be a rapper,
in order for you to be a director, you have
your mind never like your mind is constantly racing because
you're always putting this and that, this rhymes with this,
this rhymes with that, or you see something.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Are you able to rest peacefully? Yeah? I mean that's
where I get my rested these A lot of times
I'm resting with my eyes open. You need a I
don't even hear you call.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
It, Oh what's up?

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (46:32):
But not definitely man, it's you know, and not only that,
it's almost therapeutic to me, you know, like that's my outlet. Okay,
you know what I'm saying, that's my outlet, you know,
like I'm you know, I'm I'm creating. I'm taking these
experiences that I didn't that I didn't you know that
I didn't had. And some of them traumatic as hell,
you know what i mean, need to go talk to
a therapist about them.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
But you know, I find I find humor in them.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
That's just what we used to doing, just as oppressed
people period from the beginning of the time. You know
what I'm saying, And that's why we some of the
most humorous people in the world are.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Comedy is different.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
It's edgy and this, you know, and it touched on
it touched on traumatic experiences, so it hits you in
more than one place at the same time. But not
only that, it's healthy that laughter, you know what I mean.
We could not know, Mama could not know how to
pay the rent tomorrow. You know what I'm saying, or
what we're gonna eat, We're still gonna be in here,
laugh and smile and having a good time today. Okay, today,
we're gonna today. We partying though, you get you know

(47:24):
what I'm saying. We'll where about that later. So that's
just always been I feel like, you know, an outlet
for our people, you know, and it and as it
is with me, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Definitely definitely an outlet, Definitely healthy.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
I love to have a good time, make people have
a good time. I love to take thoughts and urnm
in the things. That's fulfeeling to me. What's your favorite
movie in video of all time? That's a tough one, man,
that's a tough one. Favorite movie, Damn, that's a tough one.

(47:55):
I don't know if I can. I don't know if
I can name one.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Well, give me a couple of your favorite couple are
my favorites?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Training day? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (48:03):
You like longs on hum Training day?

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah? Yeah, for sure, Training day for show Man King Kong.
Ain't got ain't got nothing, Ain't got nothing, you know
what I'm saying. Training day all edit like Eddie Murphy. Like,
I'm a fan of a lot of people, bro even
even you know, if you want to go a different route,
and like Jim Carrey, you know what I'm saying. But
like I'm a fan of a lot of films. I

(48:28):
love all the all the hood films. I love Minister Society,
you know what I mean, all the Fridays. It's tons
of movies. Man, I've been in I've been you know,
in sync with the movies. You know, early on it's
kind of for a time, that's all we had, even
if it was the bootlegs and the little CD book.
You know what I'm saying, Like, I love me a
good movie, man. So I got a lot of good movies,

(48:49):
music videos, all things, Buster Rhymes, eminem Ludacris, Outcasts, Missy Elliott,
all them. Man, It's hard to pick one, you know
what I'm saying, of all time, it might be my
favorite music video of all time. Of the one that
the one that resonate like the most with me, like
it affected me the most, might be Michael Jackson Thriller.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
I Pitched the Bed about.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
A thousand times. Used to be scared to death by
that music video and the character he portrayed in it,
but couldn't stop watching it. It was so you know
it was so compelling to me too, so that like
that's what I'm saying, that's the music video that came
out before I was born, you know what I mean.
So just the fact that it's that I remember and
it resonated with you, you know what I mean? Like that,

(49:33):
that just goes to show you know, I probably didn't
have interest in these these roalms, way before I even
knew that I had interest in you know what I mean?
What did you want to be when you were growing up?
If somebody would have told you said, like what do
you what do you? What do you want to do
with your life? That's an easy one for me because
it was always it was always straight cut and it
was nothing normal.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
It ain't gonna be normal. Something to make it. My
answer is a kid too.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I'm talking about as a kid, really younger than my
oldest kids. It was it was something to make a
lot of money. I knew I wanted to make a
lot of money. That's what I knew. You didn't know
what it was, but what it was. So even in
school when they when they get to putting it in
front of you and they give you the list of
all the occupations you can you know, grow to go
to go to college and study or whatever. At the
top of the list it was, you know, you got doctor.

(50:17):
Of course you got this that. I'm like, nah, you
got to go to school for too long. I'm factoring
all this in now, in which I always sell the
school speaking to school. But like, you know, you got doctors,
this and that one of the ones that was up there,
and and that. I and this is something I took
it like and too early. Was a chef, you know
what I mean? That was the only the only thing
I ever wanted to be ever growing up was a chef.

(50:38):
I didn't even want to be a rapper.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
It was a chef.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I had a chef jacket. I'm like that, you like
that in the kitchen. I'm like that you like that
in the kitchen from.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
In the kitchen, on the grill on Oh yeah, I'm
like that.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
So what you did? What? Okay? Okay? But thanks Giving
coming up, I can make the whole thing. You got
a lady coming over, you want to it's over, for
it's over.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
I'll be telling a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I look, I can't cook for you because then you're
gonna be see you're gonna get to acting crazy. You
know what I'm saying, Ain't nobody gonna understand You're gonna
be like I ain't gonna be able to get rid
of you.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
I swear to God. Ask about me. Let me take
care that right there.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Hey, I'm standing on that. Ask about me. You know
what I mean? Speaking of that, Me and my baby,
my oldest daughter. We got a cooking show getting ready
to come out. Congras that, But I get down in
that kitchen stuff. What the thing? Oh? Gee? Ever you
are break what you like to make? Breakfast?

Speaker 4 (51:33):
That's everybody.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
That's easy, breakfast easy, So okay breakfast. Let's just let
you know because you got people say I can cook.
They make scrambled this and there. I can make homemade biscuits.
Video on my Instagram right now. I make homemade biscuits
like a month ago on Instagram. Like I don't know
nobody that can make homemade biscuits beside my mom. Like,
I ain't never dealt with a female. They can cook
better than me. Ever, what you get what I'm saying,

(51:57):
and that ain't to take nothing away from nobody. Yeah,
but I ain't never dealt with no fee y'all know.
I ain't never dealt with no female put it me
for shure like, yeah, I'm like that.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
They know too.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
I'm so what made you to get I mean I
had to Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, my mama she get off her main job. She
gotta go to a part time after taking care of
her boys. You get what I'm saying. So we I
had to go in that refrigerator. I had a house
kid at five years old, cause you know, elementary school.
They get I'm I'm the youngest. Now I'm the baby
elementary school. Get off the bus first, you know what
I'm saying. I had a house kid, like five years old.
I get off the bus, I go open the door.
My damn stuff I get. Don't let nobody in, don't

(52:34):
come to it, act like you ain't there. I get
the stomach get you know, kids be hungry after school.
Boy stomach get the ground and I got to look
at him figure it out. You know what I mean.
I gotta turn oodles and noodles in the roof, Chris,
I gotta make this.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
I gotta make this pack of beef noodle.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Beef noodles was in in the nineties.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
I gotta make this taste like a steak.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Right, you know what I mean? So you know that
just that just go from just having having to figure
it out and then one thing, you know, one thing
about my family, like my family adn't always been big.
I'm like, oh, that's that's my mama. Loved language a
grand baby, say everybody, she gonna feed you. That's my grandma.
That's how they do too, that's the that's the cloth
she cut from. They gonna feed you. You get what
I'm saying. So that's that, Hey, that's why I found

(53:11):
that love and their nurturing. So I like I say
anything that I take a liking to, I want to
know everything about it and how to figure it out.
So I'm like this while my mama and not getting
it in and I'm like, okay, Ben, I need to
know how to make this for myself so I ain't
never got to depend on nobody. I'm thinking like that early, unknowingly,
but that's the one thing I ever wanted to be.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
I used to have a uh uh. They got me
a chef.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I think my pops ordered it for me when he
knew that there was something I was taking a liking to.
Because I've been like that too, Like you know, I've
been you know, assert of it and just strong minded
with my thoughts about I take a liking or something
I lock in and I've been like, that's just a jit.
And you know, my people's one thing they always did
was with support whatever it is we was with. And
I remember my pops. I think it was like for
my birthday and Christmas or something, and I would have this,

(53:51):
I love this gift.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
So that'll let you know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Uh. He got me a chef coat and the chef
had and it had my one of my nicknames, uh, embroidered.
You know what I'm saying with my favorite royal blue letters, embroider.
They said hard chocolate. Don't your big nag name hard chocolate.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
I I'm telling you no, I've been there.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
For you got a cookbook, you're gonna do a cookbook? I'm
gonna do I'd rather do a show than the book.
I do a book. But you got to see this.
You know what I mean? Is I cook with love.
So it's kind of like you know, it's it's like
I could, I could, I could show you how to
do it, you still can't do it like me type
of thing. It's one of them right, But a lot
of people that I'm good at. I'm good at teaching people.
You know what I got going on? Like you feel
me Like I be saying that, it's like a little

(54:31):
joke I got, you know, with with with somebody on
in depth what I ain't dealt with before.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Like you be making my recipes for them?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
There you be is, Yeah, I already know you got
them hooked already know I already know what time and it.
Make sure you tell them I'm the one taught you
how to make that.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Like you're teaching your kids how to cook. Yeah, I
know you said you got to cook get your cooled
out when your older daughter. But all all your kids
don't know how to cook.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
All my kids don't know how to cook. I'm a
girl dad too, So they got to know. You got
to got to know how to get down all of
them gonna know how to cook?

Speaker 4 (55:01):
For Shure for show.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
You talk about your being behind the camera, would you
like to act absolutely so, so behind the camera in
in front of it? You know what I mean? Absolutely,
that's that's a lane. I'm very much already you know
what I mean. Finding my way in right now as
we speak, who's your favorite actor? I gotta go Denzel That.
That wouldn't even hard at all. I gotta go my

(55:22):
boy zl that that would I like to call myself
when I'm when I'm doing exceptionally well on camera as
soon as we cut. Yeah that's right, Yeah, okay, yeah
call me Zel. I gotta go Denzel Man. He just
he got such a wide range, and you know he
wanted them actors to well. You know, that's like even
the way he be fighting in the movies. You know,
Denzel punch you and put you in the head, like

(55:43):
while he looks like okay, okay, he gonna whoop somebody ass.
In real life, that too good, Like how you beat
somebody up and look cool doing it. You know, I mean,
I love I love Denzel Man. I gotta go Denzel
and I love uh. I'm a big fan of Eddie
Murphy and just his ability he like water, you know
what I mean, Like he can play several different characters.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
You got to think how brilliant.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
I don't think people even understand, you know, how brilliant
of an actor he is. Man, he gotta be one
of the tops on my list, Like he like like,
what is it meet the klumpser of professor, Professor playing
five characters sitting at the table to norbit. You get
what I'm saying. He's playing every every lead character. Understand

(56:27):
you gotta understand what it takes to even be able
to do that, you know what I mean, Like you
gotta it take a certain type of mind. Man. He
really a maniac, you know what I mean? And the
best way possible, and the most genius way possible. A maniac,
man a genius.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
I've seen you doing a lot of skills on social media.
Is that helping you hone your skill?

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah? Absolutely right? And I have fun doing it, you
know what I mean? More importantly, like I have fun
doing that, like I do the skits and all that stuff,
Like this's this is really me. You know, this is
really me. If you if you just kicking it with
me offside of social media, like I like to laugh,
have a good time.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
I love to entertain myself. That's the thing about me.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
So a lot of the a lot of the entertainment
that I do put I really was just entertaining myself.
I just packaged it and you know, and shared it
with the world. But my ideas they get even more,
you know, Instagram. It ain't enough to show my ideas.
You know what I'm saying, Like, I got some ideas
that ain't gonna they ain't gonna serve me well on
the internet, you know what I'm saying, Like, I gotta
really package these and present these the correct way. And
that's why I'm you know, it became undeniable that I

(57:22):
had a real deal passion for for them for filmmaking
a gift, you know what I mean, A gift that
I'm that I'm passionate about. And you know that I'm
that I'm adamant on exploring and learning as much as
I can about it. I don't really, you know, put
the time in to do that, So it's dope whenever
I do get to put it on display.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I see t I. T I is the first, the
only person I know in this genre. He's a rapper
that went into comedy. Yeah, you go with comedy, you
try comedy.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
But and like in terms of like standing yeah, nah,
I ain't never try to stand up, would you I
probably it wouldn't a lot of times when I when
I transitioned from like one song to another, like even
while I'm on stage now, you know what I'm saying.
During my shows, it almost be feeling like stand up.
Like if I was to explore stand up, I think

(58:11):
I would definitely sell in it. And that's that's not
me calling it easy at all, Like I understand what
it is, but just in terms of making adjustments on
the spot. The words improv, in terms of improv, like
I definitely excel at that, like you know what I'm saying. Definitely,
So I think I think I do. I think I
do good. That might be that might be the way
I challenge myself one day and I might jump out
there and see what's up with that? You know what

(58:31):
I mean. Yeah, I'm fans of a lot of stand
up comedians, like a lot of them people, man, a
lot of them is I've been fans of them from
the get go. And the thing that make make you laugh,
you know what I'm saying, especially laughing at at what
was once pain or you know something that you wish
you wasn't going through, and I'm all about it. That's
what you know, That's what kept me at peace my
whole life.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Let me ask you this, social media, there's good and bad. Yes,
give me a couple of examples how it's helped. You
give me a couple of examples, how it's hurt.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
It can't hurt me the same way it didn't. It
didn't help me. You get what I'm saying. At the
end of the day, It's a tool, you know. And
I always been real big on that, on utilizing social
media as a tool.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Now, while utilizing social media as a tool, if.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
This hammer worked for you, if you carry around this
hammer out there and you know how to use it
and it's working flawlessly, what you're gonna do. You're gonna
now now you're carrying this hammer around when you don't
even need it. Bro, You ain't putting no nails, no
in no wood today. What you got this hammerphone? And
then then you get their music. Somebody might say, oh hey, hey,
what you looking at Bruther? And you pulled a ham

(59:32):
out and I'm looking at you. You get what I'm saying,
Like now, it's it's you know, that's that's my analogy
for it. You know what I mean? It just sum
it all up and keep it in a nutshell like yeah,
anything you know, uh, anything that that suits you, you
know that that has the ability to change your life
or get you to a certain place, change the life
of people around you. And and you know, and it
a tool that you've been able to utilize, and it's

(59:52):
worked for you so good. You know you can you
can easily become distracted and and begin to abuse the
use of it, you know what I'm saying, And you
use it in ways that you shouldn't or not know
when not to use it, when to put that down.
You don't need that if you're angry, you probably shouldn't
have no what you're gonna do with a hammer in
your hand. If you ain't right, you know what I'm saying,
You're gonna get to grabbing it like this. You know,
I'm clinching on it like you ain't got no you

(01:00:13):
ain't got no good intentions with with that in your
hand right now, you probably need to put that down
in certain instances, so you know it's that's the way
it's been able to affect me in a negative way,
you know, not not knowing that, okay, I should put
this down at a particular point, you know what I'm saying,
and then getting the worst end of the stick because
I didn't you know, I didn't make that decision consciously

(01:00:35):
and you know, follow them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
How have you been able to block out the negativity?
Because I'm sure you read you read the comments. Yeah,
this song sounds just like that song, and that song
sound like this song and this song.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
How do you block that out? Like with that one,
with the with the song sounded the same? I just
play like I just play like my top three songs.
They ain't nothing like each other, you know what I'm saying.
You can go from rock star to sug that is
them ain't nothing like each other. So in terms of that,
the song sounded the same, can't not even rap better
than me I got. You know, So if I I say, well,
what's your favorite rapper? If I you know, if I
could actually get in the room with something, if it

(01:01:07):
was worth it, if it was an argument it was
worth me having. I mean, I probably wouldn't argue anyways.
I'd say, what's your favorite rapper? What's your favorite song? Bomb?
And I go rap on that beat and then yeah,
you're gonna, yeah, you're gonna you know, you're gonna straighten it.
They're gonna straighten it out right, you know what I'm saying.
I kind of let people do that on their own.
I do it out of time when I you know,
do freestyles. In terms of that, that's whatever. I ain't
tripping on that, you know what I'm saying. That's that's

(01:01:28):
like me saying, you can't play football. Not for real,
you can't play football. I can't play no more. All
the tight ends play like you You're just a tight end.
You know, come on, bro, that ain't even you know,
it's like, yeah, right, you know what I'm saying. But
in other areas, right, because a lot of times, I mean,

(01:01:49):
it's a lot of these things, these opinions, you know,
they they they have some type of validation.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
At the end of the day, it's all about you know,
it's all about it's all about remaining valid to yourself.
You get what I'm saying at the end of the day.
And and it's it's arrogant. It's a lot of people
like to think I am. I really I'm really way
more humbled. And then you know, based off people's perception
of me, the public, the wire, the wider public perception
of me, I'm really way more humbled than than than

(01:02:16):
people think I am. You get what I'm saying, I
ain't chripping, you know, like I come in the room
and know, okay, I'm the elephant, but I move, I
move smooth. You get what I'm saying. And you know
I'm trying to find out what the other elephants is
so we can run together, right, you get what I'm saying, Like,
I ain't I ain't never really tripping on that in
terms of you know, when it when they come to
the nay say or whatever or the or the he say,

(01:02:36):
she say, like it is what it is when it
comes to that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
And but I do also like to study whatever I do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Right, So if I do put out a music video,
if I do put this out, I love to see
people's reactions. I like to see it. I like to
see the patterns and Okay, how many people hate it
on this as opposed how many people you know hate
it on this one?

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
And then that's how I know that, you know, move
forward it. But that's that's a that's another ending game,
you know what I mean. That probably ain't even something
healthy to do. But I think studying, you know, studying
what you do and studying the way people respond to it,
I think that is a healthy thing when you're thinking
long term and appealing to the masses. Me.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
I want everybody you get what I'm saying, even them haters.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
I want to you know, I eventually flipped it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
I find Yeah, you know, I get a kick out
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
You know what I'm saying. I get a kick out of, yeah,
showing you what time it is and then having a strip.
Then I'm not even gonna throw it in your face,
you know what I'm saying, because I didn't already got
I didn't already got my high off the situation. I'm
I got high off just yeah, showing myself. Yeah, right, man,
stop playing with me. You get what I'm saying, like
you know, and it's all good. So that's how I
really deal with that, Like I really you know, them,

(01:03:37):
them them people that I win them battles silently. You
get what I'm saying. And I don't even really trip
because I know what Tim and it once and they
know what Tom it is too. That's one thing though.
It's kind of like if you you know somebody say
you can't beat them, you playing one on one even
when you're done, okay, but you was pushing or you
was violing you to do.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
It ain't gonna never stop, right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
So once I show you, and I showed me, it's
really just about me showing me, yeah, to stop playing
with me that it's all good. I let people, you know,
I let them run the cirviuce you feel me, and
I come through and be and I come through and clown.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
When you make me mad enough to come through and clown,
I'm gonna come through and clown

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Right, and then I'm gonna, yeah, get right back up
out of there, and then let y'all do y'all thing

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