Deebo & Joe - Steelers WIN AGAIN: Aaron Rodgers injured? + Shedeur's NFL debut, Ja'Marr spit-gate

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Sunday Night Football where Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles defeated Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions. Later, they react to Aaron Rodgers wrist injury, Ja'Marr Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey as the Pittsburgh Steelers defeated the Cincinnati Bengals. Finally, they react to Shedeur Sanders Cleveland Browns debut and much more action from Week 11 of the 2025 NFL season!  

Timeline: 
00:00 - Steelers beat Bengals
31:45 - Ja'Marr Chase spit on Jalen Ramsey
38:40 - Ravens beat Browns
44:30 - Shedeur Sanders makes NFL debut

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yes, yes, Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host,
Jane de Boy Harrison. I'm here with my co host Joe. Hey, hey,
please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't
want to miss nothing. Hey, how you doing to Jake today? Joe?
You're kind of like this? Or you like this? Because
I'm like this? You feel me? Joe? You muted? Baby, Damn,

(00:32):
I'm feeling good. No, I'm my bad. I'm feeling great.
I'm feeling great, good day, good vibes. I'm so happy.
I love you. Are you feeling great?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Because you know, it's kind of you got one that
did this, you got one.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
That did this. And I mean because look, because I know,
I know we're starting the show with so I know
we're starting the show with the good one. So I'm
gonna go ahead, Papa, how I feel you know what
I'm saying. I looked, I said, Okay, if we're starting
off with them, I would start off with a little
different energy right now. Steller's one. That's the main thing,
is the main thing. That's what we're gonna talk about.

(01:10):
That's the juice something. Okay, Okay, see I like this
energy right here. I like the city. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
You tell you, I want to tell you, Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. I ain't gonna never apologize for winning.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Ain't that how it go? Never? Never? It's too hard
in the NFL. Hey, y'all, look here. I don't know
if y'all heard, but uh Stiller's uh Stiller's beat beat
the bangle by twinky two, twinky two.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
If you get twenty one, you're supposed to get his
sticks up right, big sticks up, saying man, hey, look here,
man still still start to think off right though, they
went on up and that thing got that ball. Hey,
first down, they hit DK for five, second down.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Jayleen, he'll hit him one for five.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Third down, kind of came in there, get a good
old push. He had DK on the next for seventeen baby,
and then hey, hey, on the next second down, thor.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
That boy Warren shaid, Hey, thirty five one one player
he ain't playing with him came well, went on here.
I finished it off with eleven yard touchdown. Hey, yes, sir,
seven zero hey zero played seven seven yard almost five

(02:27):
minutes of work. Hey, that's that's that's that's supposed to
look like when you're playing the thirty. That's exactly what
to look like. That that terrible defense. They made him
look like they were supposed to question. That's what you
do supposed to do. Hey, still, let's get on out there, man.
First play, TJ wrapped that boy up negative one, negative,

(02:51):
dropping for a loss. Hey, Pierre was hitting all night.
He come on, we're gonna talk about him him throughout
this segment.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
And then we got to he was no game. And
then on third and eleven, we do what we do. See,
we give them just enough eleven. But that's what I'm
talking about right there, debo, we did what we had
to do. But on this third down, guys, we got
to drop to the sticks. If it's third and eleven,
why do we drop thirteen yards? We dropped eleven yards

(03:23):
because we know they're gonna run. They're gonna have to,
they're gonna they're running sticks patterns. So that's just like
we get to the position where we need it stop
like stop dropping, so deep simple for sure. For sure
they end up being able to stay a little ahead
of the sticks the next few downs whatever it is.
And then on second down we jumped off sides, so

(03:44):
that kind of gave him the opportunity to have that
that short you know, they go pass it or run it, and.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
They hit us for fifteen bro on a run. Listen
the whole d line on that play. It was three
yards back. They got pushed three yards back, bro, look
at that play. Wow. Wow. They then came up made
the short tackle. They still got fifteen out of it,

(04:13):
and then I believe what was it the next we
get some pressure on it, but I think it was
like a twenty eight yard touchdown to Higgins. Yeah, he
didn't have no pressure on now when he was sitting
there waiting because Higgins ran the damn drag route which
turned into a turn to the one he had all day. Yeah,

(04:35):
he was sitting there patting the patting the ball, so
he was able to turn up. Yeah. So now we're
seven seven mm hmm. So now we're seven seven man
and I'm thinking, like what what you know? What the
freak is going on? Like oh?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
But then they went on ahead and tried to go
for two points because they got a penalty.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah a point yeah, yeah, yeah, because the holder they
miss it. That was a good hit on that one too, though.
That was good. That was a good hit. On that
one too. Man is as the direct snap thought, it
was sweet, caught it right in the hole.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
We get the rock back. I figure it was like, uh,
what was it that second and a game? Well hit
him with that one hand, like smooth.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
You know, he got the first down, and then I
think it was like second and ten. We jumped off
sides and then we going ahead, get the fourth and
one kind of does his thing. You know. We were
able to make it up, you know, make the first down,
but we end up stalling out. Got gotta punt the rock.
I don't even know how we stall out on the defense.

(05:45):
That bad bro ain't That's That's what I was understanding
that part too. I thought we was gonna be able
to just walk it down the field, take advantage of
that defense. Thank thirty two, they was kind of getting
some stops on it. And then like even the offense,
they get the ball back first down, they hit us
for five yards, you know, so now they're staying ahead
of the change. Third down. Chase ended up getting I

(06:07):
think ten or something like that the next third down.
You know, it was incomplete. Dude, that roughing was weak.
That was get to the TJ was you tell you
fell in with full body. He was falling on the
side and hit the ball. Did you see the other
game where dude just made as straight up clean tackle,

(06:28):
like just if you tackle it. Which one I think
it was La or was it the Chargers one or
the other? It was a Chargers dude, clean good tackle
on the quarterback. I mean, shoulder to the side, all that,
no head, no nothing, he landed down, tackled him. If
it's a hard hitting on the quarterback, now they just
they just want to throw You can't do it. It's

(06:51):
already hard enough. It's already hard enough to get to
the quarterback. And then they saying, when you're falling into him,
you're hitting them, you tackling them low. You can't like
if you're stumbling to him as a defensive line, you
just can't touch him now, like you can't just hit
his legs. It was a clean, like form tackle on
the other cat dude, like clean.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I mean, I could see what they're trying to say,
because you know how you scoop a guy in trying
to get him down. But yeah, like you want us
to make sure that we put our hands out to
protect him. But you got to make sure you sure
that tackle too, because he stays up long enough to
throw it before you get him down. They don't understand that,
though I understand. They ended up giving him a first

(07:29):
down again. The next play we go ahead, give a
five yards like keeping them ahead, but they end up
getting a false start.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
And boy on that third down, who was there? Man?
Who on that third down? Man James Pierre? Man the man? Look?
And the good part was they talking about something. His
other hand, he's just he's just touching them, making sure
that when he jumps, he's making sure he touches the ball,
hits it and just in case, a lot of security

(07:58):
tackle so he's not grabbing them, were holding him down.
He's just placing his hand right there, making sure that
if I do miss this ball, now I can secredit tackle.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Beautiful player. The DB's played clean all night. I ain't
gonna lie to you. I don't even think we got
a pen.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
No, I don't think so. No, not forcing them to
punt and get the ball back, and we we go
with three and out like bruh. Three and out. That
ain't something that you do against the thirty second ranked defense.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
That's just that's just not something you do the first
play though, when when the Bengals got the ball back,
I think that's when they had.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
You know a little. That's when the issue built up
right there, Ramsey let him know. Man, listen, you ain't
coming across here nowhere and having any touch on the ball.
Rather you catch it or not, I'm gonna make sure
you feel me. I love it. Safety, man. We need that.
We need that less. Jalen was balling, bro I mean,
he's playing in the safety position, coming downhill and you know,

(08:59):
as a corner you can see you faster, but as
a safety, things are happening. You know what's developing in
front of end, see the whole field, and he knows concepts.
He's coming in there and laying the love that he came.
And we end up forcing the three out. And do
we hitting like the DBS is hitting? They they they

(09:20):
don't went on ahead and put put their foot in
the ground. They laying wood. You know, yes, dude, it's nice,
nice Sison back out there. Though we lose. We lose
a yard on the first on the first first down
run again to the worst run defense in the league.

(09:41):
But you know that that got frighter move. Yes, he
gave a dB that work. Oh but I'm saying then
started getting activated for sure, for show for show, and
then they got a I think Rogers ended up miss
an old dude like on that on that first down though,

(10:03):
and then we got got sacked on the second. We
end up punting. No, heck, no, is this when we
get to know this? This this one mount this one
Mount Washington started going crazy. No, I don't think that
was it. That might be the next one, buddy, all right,
because that was when they ended up still, I mean

(10:24):
then gonna get the ball back, and I think it
was like a third and six. We ended up giving
up seventeen. And then that next third down I think
is when uh dougger dropped that pick six. He could
have ah yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yeah, and they
end up they ended up punting the ball and it

(10:44):
came back around to him. But we get to that, bab,
we get to that bad still. Just get out there, man, hey,
Aaron Rochester, he ain't that old man. He went on
head on the third down, Man, he went on head,
scrambled for a good one. Now, man, I mean better
get down. He saw his chest stop fell off and
everything he usually want chest. Man, you know, old school,

(11:05):
the old single single, but.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Were able to you know, they get a p I
on that on that first down and then like we
give it back to him.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
D k ends up getting a PI. But they come
on here and give it back to us. They get
a ROUGHI you know what I'm saying that that's when
that man Washington, Hey, hey, he went on head got
thirty one. Listen. He just stiff throwing the first dude
into hell. That was all that was the sessiond dude, Hey,
he made he made a business decision. Man, second dude

(11:38):
could have just pushed him out of the listen. He
did not want to get in front of that. He
made a business decision. Okay. And the third dude he
just little boy him. That's how you play with just
what you're doing, get out of hitting. Yeah, the third dude,
I fell back. He just trying to He's trying to
punch the ball out, like getting in the way. Got
speed back. So that Jo was just disrespect Dame Well

(12:01):
came back, went on here for a hot twelve dude,
and we got another rough in the quarterback. Listen, I
understand like you got to protect the quarterbacks, and I
want to protect mine. But he hit like the middle
of his back, bottom of his back, butt hot top
of his butt, Like, yeah, we got it. I ain't tripping,

(12:21):
but being a defensive player, like it's getting good, just
being honest, just being honest, it's getting out of control.
We end up bruh. We end up what was it,
first in goal at the nine and have to settle
for three points against the worst defense in the NFL. Yeah, yeah,

(12:45):
that that that's bad ball. And that's that's supposed to be.
That's supposed to be. Damn near ross on air. We
got enough talent. We got Aaron Rodgers at the quarterback
standing right there. We need to score one player. I've
seen four of us with in like a ten yard
circle in the end zone at the same spot. It's

(13:05):
not spacing. We don't And I thought, I know we
always run it. What's the other thing that we would do?
Seven shots? So I know, like what do you gotta
have some places set up to be in the res like.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Whatever, Man, I ain't tripping. I'm tripping, but I ain't tripping.
You's six ten at the half? You know we won
it ain't I ain't tripping. I'm tripping, but I ain't tripping.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
You know what I'm saying. Mm hmm bright first time,
beginning of the third quarter, we left un explosive, explosive
thirty five what yeah, hold up? And then I think

(13:49):
it ended up being a little while later, like second
and five six something like that. We gave him six seven.
We gave him enough to get it, give enough to
get it. You know. We end up holding the next
three plays after that, force a field goal. I mean,

(14:10):
we don't give it the thirty five. We won't even
have to force field But anyway, dude, it's nine to ten,
ay and in this I think it's when I find out
that Rogers's out the game. Yeah, income in comes my dog,
Man comes my dog Mason. Good old. I'm gonna like

(14:35):
to y'all was nervous. I was more nervous than a
hooker in church. I ain't gonna lie to you. Maybe
I see I believed, Yeah, I believe. I believe that.
You know, we get about there, man.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
First time, we get a nice five, keeping it, keeping
it good, you know. Second down, we get that, we
get a second and I think it was two.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
We only get like, what was it one or something
like that? Maybe we got the first but that was no,
that was that was the play that Chalen Warren he
got hurt, dude. Oh yeah, but it looked like boy,
it looked crazy here, Bro, we got this.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
This play right here, Bro is a prime example while
why every NFL team should have grass that is turriss
his foot on, slide and cut through that turf, totally
stare his skills, slide through it every thing.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, like this debo, you speaking facts about that brother,
that's for sure. If it wasn't for that, it's his
whole thing, of his whole need would have been. It
wouldn't say the police wouldn't have cut through the grass,
cut through you know what I'm saying. Like, and that
look that it did was enough to save them. Obviously
he was back on there third eleven hit Wilson. I

(15:54):
think it was for seventeen man. That's but that listen here.
Then we can't skip that. We can't skip that because
as a backup quarterback coming into the game, you're worried.
You know what I'm saying. You just said it. You're here,
comes Mason, it's third and eleven. What you're gonna do?
He's standing tall in the pocket and drop the dime

(16:16):
to Wilson on that seventh route, like chilling. You know
what I'm saying. That could just calm everybody's nerves. I
know it, calm my nerves and calm like this. That's
what I'm talking about, Mason. That's how you step in there.
It wasn't going. It's like this running game. It's third
and eleven. What you're gonna do. You're gonna just look flazzled.
You're gonna look flustered, or you're gonna make a pass.
So I'd like to just say for him, you know

(16:37):
what I'm saying. Watching I know, just people just shaky.
What it's gonna look like. Stand in that joint, drop
a dime on third and long. You know what I'm saying.
As soon as you come in, it can calm down
a lot of people and get some get some vibs gone.
I know it did for long, no question. Then the
third down, I'm thinking, we gotta catch they get they
get DK on the PI. I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm not upset with that, even though I am upset
with as defensive person, I'm not said with it.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Like at some point, you know, yeah, DK, you gotta
be a little more subtle. A Look, he's strong as
a mug and he's double hand pushing. You need to
go chicken wing, you know what I'm saying. You're strong
enough to where he's stay, keep them close to you.
The balls coming, you see it, huh, and then you
can go up and get it. So like receivers are
really good at just doing this instead of doing double

(17:20):
Obviously we know this is still pushing off. This is
affecting me just as much as this is. You know
what I'm saying as a dB, it's wait till it
comes boom and you're going up and you can't really
tell nothing. But it's the way you got to be
subtle with it. Instead of you put two hands on me.
You're pushing off. Now obviously I can't get back and
make a play. That's a passing difference. But if you
chicken wing me, you still push me off. But like

(17:43):
it is, you know what I'm saying, just a little something. Yeah, yeah, alright,
man on that third Steve, tell you know that's what mount.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
That's the one you're talking about. Hey, if that boy
wasn't so tall, we might have been shown, I want because.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Buddy, had he reached he reached a good eight yards.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Body layer, they'd have already seen what he did the
previous you know, to the to the other three dbs.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
But that boy was just holding on for life. Like yo,
let me the boys went low. Let me just hold
on for life. I'm just trying. I'm just trying. Hey,
Mason went I think on the next two the first
and and second down, hit DK for both on both
of them for nine each. One. Yep, Hey, march it
down there, taking time on the clock, chilling, you know

(18:34):
what I'm saying, doing what a quarterback is supposed to
get seven yards on the next first down, install out yep, yep.
We still couldn't get no points. There were still we
got points. We had a field, but we want touchdown.
That would have topped it. That would have topped that
would have that would have finished them. Moment, Yo, get
back out there. Hey again. On the second down, Hey,

(18:59):
the boys came on up down that thing. Man put
that on a millium. Say get that ball up, get
that ball up. And then on thirty teen we give
up fifteen because missus m yeah, trying to trying to
just bump people. I don't know what that is. I

(19:19):
don't know what that is. Wrap them up. You gotta
wrap up. We gotta wrap up position. And then on
the second down, I think Higgins got what about fifteen
on that one, like on the and then the next one,
my guy came through though, my guy. There we go,
there we go, Ben, But don't break we in the spice?
Do we in the spots? Tip?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I don't you know what. I don't even know what
happened on that next third down. I guess I must
have fell asleep. You tell me, Joe, what happened on
that next play after TJ tip that ball, I don't
know what happened.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
You tell me this a the pick a pick six
digger sitting right in the spy r. I think all
the way back. Hey hey, it was a red for
a touchdown. It was beautiful, Dog said, Hey, I made up.
I missed that one. I missed that one, but I

(20:12):
ain't miss this. Great great play, great play, big six.
You thought it was sweet thought over here. We dropped
people into the hole right there to make sure you
threw to average everybody outside, fundelaments Joe. Get him in

(20:34):
the chest, Yeah, yeah, you big.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Everybody everybody getting lucky once in a while that last
game you played, Joe, you got.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Lucky, ar me, you got lucky, old man. That defense
stood up. That defense was standing up off They was
giving up some runs, like you said, but you know, Ben,
but don't break. Obviously they getting twenty. Joe is nine
to twenty. Now we scoke, okay, first play out the
gate man' gonna get the ball back. They get paid to.

(21:05):
We give up twenty two. We give up twenty two.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
And then we stopped them balls on the third one
and Ramsey gets up, he gets personal file.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
And he gets tossed out the game.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Now listen, i don't know what happened at that time,
but I'm gonna tell you what I'm saying to my son,
and I'm apologized to you, Ramsey off rip right now.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
We'll get to we'll get to the whole subject later
after we get downe with this. But there Bro and
I'm like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I can't believe this man just hit this man for
no reason. And my son is like, well, you know
he did that and he didn't know. No, Listen, it's
nothing he could have said to him that would have
made him nothing. There's nothing do I'm like, I'm like
he is selfish. He is putting himself ahead of the team.

(22:06):
I'm giving all that right to my son. I gotta
get some good advice. I gotta think yeah, yeah, no,
for sure. But at the same time, I am pissed
because that gave him a first down, right right, But
like I said, I don't know none of the other stuff.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
So we're gonna move forward from here. They're able to
stay ahead of the chains for long enough. But her
Big they call him, her Big came here with that
big sat man, making him settle for a field though.

(22:38):
That dude's a baller stepping the fiyes. Yeah, don't lose
a beat twenty to twelve. Now, look, look, I ain't
gonna lie to you. Yes's nervous because it's a lot
of time left, and I'm like, yo, offense, all I

(22:59):
need try to do is burn some clock, clarn the clock.
And you know what they did for your boy. They
did one battle. They did more than one battle, brother,
They put the well played shiok your five yards ship
minute touchdown drive. Brother, hey sent even after we had

(23:24):
got a fifteen yard face match. Brother. That's a lot
of and you know, at the same time, that's a
lot of yak. That's a lot of game well, catching
and making people miss and getting yards after the catch
because some of those unvers it was some dump downs,
but game will being able to make moves. You got
to be able to see the dump down. Now you

(23:45):
gotta make sure responsibility to it. I'm not taking away
from Mason Rudolph at all. I'm loving the fact that
he was able to make the dump off too. I'm
just saying it's a team sport and we got players
making him getting it into the playmaker's hands. I'm geeked,
I'm I was speaking. I'm a Mason Rudolph fans, so

(24:06):
I'm saying he's doing exactly what I was hoping for
and what you were hoping for. And then and it
happened right in front of our eyes. Hey the bongos
get back out there. Hey course, what we do on defense,
Joe Man, we we more opportunistic we do, Joe, We
we we create turnovers, we get interceptions, we get stripped sacks,

(24:29):
and we stripped people of the ball and we score
score school come to the house, touch down to the
house with a front floor. With a front flip, he
could almost hit his face a little bit more rorotation

(24:55):
scared he was trying to find a ground thirteen fold.
Well you know, hey, man, game basically over man, it
ain't nothing, but like was it low over three minutes left?
They love their little dead balls. They marched down there.
But guess what I think, dese, Yeah, almost had another
pick fourth and one you want to throw on? Almost

(25:18):
stopped off. Stop playing game over, ball game over. Listen here, man,
we're the Pittsburgh Stone. This is what we do. Now.
Let's go on ahead. And hey, and I ain't gonna
sit here and make like we ain't got no problems.
Why the defense did perform better? Oh especially the dbs,

(25:41):
Like these dudes was hitting. They was playing clean, you understand,
And they're going to have to hit and tackle because
looking at this, dude, just looking at how we're lined up,
what we're doing. Who has to do what?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
These dbs are going to actually have to tackle like linebackers, dude.
The defensive line for the most part is consistently getting
pushed back. Like I told you before, I saw the
one play where the whole d line was at least
three yards back.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Wasn't nobody nowhere else like the defense? From me looking
at it. Dude, It's no way it's a gap sound.
It's no way they're gapped out properly. I'm seeing things
that's impossible to even gap out just from how you're
lined up. So from a just alignment assignment, it is

(26:39):
adequately trashed. I asked you this about the D line
that we'll do with the one game. What do you
think made it different when they played against the Colts
because we've seen that they can do it. They did it.
Jonathan Taylor, the best running you know what I'm saying,
the best running back in the league. Why do you
think that it works so good that game? Because they
showed us you know what I'm saying, that they can
do it. You know what I'm saying. So like, why

(27:00):
you think it's just it's consistently we do not do
well on the D line. That has been day one period.
We've been getting pushed off the ball either here or there.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
And when you have a guy that it's nowhere where
our whole D line is playing on their side of
the line, it's nowhere where you know, on a consistent basis,
I'll say where our whole D line is is you
know they're they're they're trying to the offensive lineman is
trying to operate from a yard D.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
They're getting our ground. The best I have seen is
we get a stale make or we get a guy
here or there that penetrates through the line, and sometimes
they still make it through because that creates a vertical hole.
You got this guy who actually did his job, he's
a yard d, but you've got this dude right here
who's too dark. They're getting pushed back. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
So like and and like I said, just the alignment
assignment as it is instructed from the defense itself, Like, yes,
a man has to whoop a man, but I'm looking
at this and from alignment as simon standpoint, you're asking
a man to whoop a man and then whoop another

(28:11):
man too.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
He got two men, Like, it's that's not yeah, So
you think it's something wrong with the defense period, it's not.
Got the decoordinator needs something. Something ain't right. It ain't.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
It's too many times on seeing a guy do the
same thing, and if he's doing the same thing and
you still keep him out there, the dude behind him
got to be horribly trash or he's doing what he's
supposed to do, which don't look like he's supposed to
be done because we keep getting hit.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
No, I see what you're saying with the wrong game.
It's just too many times where it's explosive plays, too
many gaps, too many plays all the time. It is consistency.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Dude, the running back almost had one hundred on eighteen carries.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Bro's yeah, No, that's what I'm saying. It's supposed to play.
It's just like ten yard runs. Anything over a ten
yard run is explosive. I'm like, they're busting getting first
yard runs on first down, running for damn near a
first down, like twelve yard carries, fifteen yard carries, and
then they'll bust out one for thirty something. You know
what I'm saying, Eventually if they break too many break

(29:18):
upd tackles in the secondary. But I'm with you one
thousand percent on that. I think the good thing is
with the defense. Our secondary, like you said, stepped up
a whole lot, and it's just a lot of things
is with well, we also downright, we also got to
do situationally better situationally, That's what I'm saying with the
long third downs, So I would say the first third

(29:39):
down when queen, we just got to get our situation.
It's third and eleven. Don't drop back past eleven, don't
drop the thirteen, drop to eleven where your feet are
meshed on the sticks, so you can react down and
make sure they drop it short, or you can make
a player on the ball. Then on the third and six,
the man the man, someonees they're gonna get rub brows.
But on the long ones, we need to be situationally
aware to where we're dropping to the sticks and making

(30:01):
sure they can come back down and make those plays.
Uh the run game, Like you said, I I've seen
them do it, so I know that they can. I
just think that that's every man whooping man. When you're
saying sometimes alignment, sometimes skins might be a little sing software.
It can't be filled. You don't have enough people there
to fill the gaps that are available. M hm, you

(30:23):
got somebody that gotta whoop to to. That shouldn't be
the case. That shouldn't be the case. That shouldn't be
the case. That you don't make no sense the offense though, Hey,
they they just they just they just got to improved
all all all over thirty second rate in defense. And

(30:45):
that's that's what we get. Like, I'm not they didn't.
They didn't. Yeah, you know, they didn't look like a
thirty second rate defense, you know. I mean, but hey,
well the to say, I ain't never gonna apologize for winning,
I ain't never gonnapologize forever apologize for winning. Look here

(31:10):
that's a fact the executed. Hey, rams, I told you,
I got I gotta apologize to you, execting my guy
Ramsey for punching. And I'm like, this got to be
the illess brother in Nebraska, just taking off on this man.
But and that's hey, Jamar said he didn't spend on him. Hey,

(31:34):
we got that, listen, we got that walking Still, what
happened with jam exchanging words? He was saying that you him,
I ain't never I ain't never opened my mouth to
that die yet what he is? What do you think
cooking the reaction from him? Well, you know, like some

(31:56):
of the swords I told him. We've been going back
and forth the whole so I'm sure some shit some
guy under this cap, he said, some guy under skin.
He ain't did nothing to that guy. He said, he
ain't opened his mouth to that guy. But you know,
what's so crazy, man? I mean the eye in the sky,
don't lie. It's about a thousand dollars. A thousand comes
out and you got other people. You know what I'm saying.

(32:19):
Eight fifty five seventy five K, fifty million, K, thirty thousand,
thirty four five K.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Hey, cameras in the game now the same you've ever
had in the history of the world.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Hey. Now, I know I'm older than you and my
vision going, but tell me if you can see what
I saw, can please show the video? Yeah, let me
check us ud SPC, SMID A lot of big That

(32:55):
was a lot, right, yep, yep, it don't matter.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
It was you ain't wasn't like I was talking and
you know, you know how you be talking and something
just fly, like like BC when he talks.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Because it's a bunch of gum. You know what I'm saying.
It wasn't a say it's bread and tried to do
the slow bruh. You spin on that, man, Listen.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
It ain't nothing more disrespectful and spinning on somebody this stuff. Dude, Jayleen,
you better than me. I would have still been trying
to get in and listen. I don't even think this
is gonna stop here. If you spit on me, I'm
gonna find out where you're at the offseason period. It's
no other way. NFL y'all need to make an example

(33:43):
of this cat and give him full six games to
let these dudes know, because this is really something that
can spill off of the field on into the off season. Dude, Like,
even if I can't beat you, if you're a mix
of John Jones, Mike Tyson, Muhammed, I lead all together, bruh,

(34:04):
everybody got somebody if I don't do nothing else but
have somebody lay on you for two weeks, find out
where you go go in the off seation.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Where you go to kick it. And all of a
sudden it was a random attack.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Somebody in a ski mask slap so and so on
ahead with a bottle as he was leaving whatever I
got to get my.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I'm dead serious. I know I know you. I love you.
I mean, that's not me. I ain't gonna lie that
might still this. You know it's you. That's not you
right now, that's not where I hope it was and
what I hope it.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
But don't don't nobody, don't, But don't you know don't.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Don't nobody got to find out. Don't nobody try to
find out? Okay, that's got I gotta lose everything. Well,
this is this is what I have to say on
the situation. One thing is when the freak did it
become cool to start spinning on people? You know what
I'm saying, Like we always say, keep your hands to yourself,
keep your feet to yourself, Treat people the way you

(35:05):
want to be treated. Slapping somebody, open hand smacks, all
this stuff is nothing is more disrespectful than spinning somebody,
like like the third time this year, It's like, it's
not cool. It's disgusting. You know what I'm saying. It's
very very disrespectful, and it's just something that shouldn't be
in the league. I love Jamar Chase, great player, amazing receiving,

(35:25):
my favorite receiving the league, But what the makes it
cool that and then go on the line about it.
We're blatant on four K. Everybody sees what the hell
is going on? Everybody sees the situation. Jayleen Mams, you
have every right to do exactly what you did, and
like Deebo situation or you know what I'm saying, But
like that's just disgusting and I hate seeing like people

(35:46):
keep doing it, like oh yeah, they spin them, Like
what are we doing? You know what I'm saying. I don't,
I do? You're live?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Like anyway, there you go, Like that's like people who
still and think, damn caught and got five cameras pointed at.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
You right now and you think you your hand. They
saw rabbit and it never left your hand to get
back on the shelf. They saw the split fly out
your mouth like come on, we got the fish. That's
you and you got the jamar It says Chase on
the back of your jersey. You got your helmet on
as you looking at the other guy the sailing that

(36:24):
said Jael Ramsey. He says, you spin on him, did you? No? No,
all right, we'll go to this. You know what I'm saying.
Like a little kid, man, that's a shame. Man. You're wrong. Man,
you like you got caught. You lie like a little kid.
You're scared what you know for sure because you know
you did wrong. You know you're wrong, dude. I'm up

(36:47):
here hot like yo, Ramsey, you know went on head
and did this for no reason.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
When you done, you don't put us in jeopardy. Like now, no, listen,
I see why they couldn't.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Get him off. They wouldn't have been able to get
me off the field.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
The locker room that they at for our locker room
is directly right there, Like yo, I'd have been sitting
in his locker under something waiting.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
And especially I know why Jayleen was sitting there because
he like this, he spit on me. And now this
because because it was the first thing they had, the
first little scuffle, they talk and they get thee so
they both have the warning. And now when I see
Jayleen still off on them, I'm like, dang and Jamar.
Chase didn't even move his arms. Tell you, I know
what I'm thinking. It's just words at that time for sure,

(37:35):
same thing that I was thinking at the same point.
So now we're looking at it. But then Jalen for
him not the one to go off the field. He
like this, not this could just spit on me, And
now y'all kicking me out of the game. I'm not
going nowhere till he leaves the field like I got
spit on. You know what I'm saying. Obviously, I'm gonna
spas and retaliate but like na, he's sitting there like
act I never had but changed like this. I'm good.

(37:56):
I'm good. I'm like, yeah, you know, of course you're good.
You want to wait, tell you you're chilling? Yeah? Yeah, anyway, man,
But hey, that's what we do. Man. You know we
gonna win, win, win, no matter what you know. Man,
I'll tell you right now. Man. I one think that

(38:18):
the Browns just hate this still is so much they
willing to kill themselves. What happened and with your Browns? Joe,
did you watch the game? I can't say I watched
the game. I can't say they got a legal formation,
you know, when they went for that fourth one, even
though after they made it, I can't say that they

(38:41):
got a field goal off that. I can't say a
lot of things. But did you? I mean, you tell
me what happened, Joe. Everything you said happened exactly like
a right. Uh. The thing is that sometimes the just
the Browns offense, like you said, when you're not that well,
you don't have too much. We're not just abundance of talent.
You can't do you had to do little things right.

(39:02):
You can't hurt yourself, you can't be setting up penalties,
so long social Like you said, Debo, first drive, we
get the we get it down to, we get it
down to get ready to go for the fourth, fourth
and one. We go for it. We converted and we
are in an illegal formation like somebody's covered up. How
that That's what bad teams do. You're expecting you're supposed

(39:24):
to plan for this, practice for this, knowing these situations.
No one you're supposed to. You're gonna be in this.
This is our short this is our short y artist situation.
This man needs to be on the line. This person
needs to be off the line. You know what I'm saying.
So that happened. Punt the ball starts off bad? So
get Debo. I know you, I know you.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
So we're trying to hear you know, just you know,
just give me synopsis, baby, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
You know what happened next? Did so scoed? Uh think
the game? We started off three zero?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
I don't know, I didn't watch it. Ravens got a
field goal because then Miles Miles Garrett, we did we
been but don't break. They got they got some runs.
They got down there. Miles got a sack, his first
sack of the day. Well, you're gonna hear about that
a lot throughout the day, you know what I'm saying.
So they ended up getting three Browns. Get the ball back,

(40:24):
thirteen yard run starts off right, Junkins. You know what
I'm saying. Uh, Junkins again. This when we start just
handing the ball to Junkins, Junkins started running the ball. Good.
We did some Dylan Gabriel go ahead, Well yeah, yeah, okay,
Dylan Gabriel, he has a chance to do he does

(40:45):
a rollout. So then the first time we passed it
with Dylan Gabriel, he just on the out route just
throws the ball out bound. Did y'all get a touchdown? No,
we didn't get a touch on the field. Go okay,
Oh so it's three three, Okay, we got a field
go it's three three? Yeah, yeah, good Joey one. We

(41:06):
get it. We get it to the Ravens. Great coverage
defense doing what they're doing, what they normally do. They
put Browns get the ball back. But a punt right,
What happened? What happened? What happened? On the I want
to get I want to get I want to get
to a punt. What happened on the what happened? What happened?

(41:29):
What happened on What happened on the punt where? I
don't know. I heard somebody was on the six yard
line and they only got a field goal from it.
That's so the Ravens. This is when this is when
I started telling you too. The Ravens was trying to
help us out a little bit, our special teams ball.
When they punted the ball off, they fumbled it and

(41:52):
we get the ball at the sixth yard line. You
got such Now we don't get. No, we don't score
first time. We first we don't get we don't we do?
What what you get? A field goal? Oh yeah? So
then punch the ball off? I mean we kicked the

(42:14):
ball off. Ravens get it? What do they do?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
The Ravens went on here and say, hey, let us
spot yourselven more.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
We don't care here. Interception touchdown? Yeah yes, yeah, they
gave it to you. They like they know if they
go ahead and play you up front and don't give
your lead, it ain't gonna be entertainer for the fans.
Off the easy and then what they do immediately after
that when they got the ball back though, they said,

(42:46):
we don't want y'all to think you're actually doing this
on your own. Were helping you. They went on hair
scored the touchdown. They said, we're gonna keep it within three, hey,
and most were gonna let y'all do it six ever,
you know what I'm saying, what's this going right now?
And then they say, hey, let's let's make it exciting again.

(43:07):
They let y'all get a field goal. Man, They let
y'all get a field you know. And then on top
of that, they said, we ain't gonna even score on
that next possession. We're go go on a halftime, and
we're gonna let you boys go on ahead and be up.
I don't know why we started calling timeouts before the half,

(43:30):
like we were like our offense was about to do something.
I don't know what. I don't know what he was thinking.
So that, yeah, that just threw me all the way off.
Dylan was a all right, let's go to the second half, man,
I ain't gonna watch you man. It wasn't nothing, you know,
it wasn't nothing but a little bit of a punk
fast you know, going back and forth there. Yeah, and
then your door came in there, so, yeah, came in,

(43:53):
So start the third. Yes, she your door came in
when let's start the third. So this is when let's
get So we're sixteen to ten halftime, right, Ravens get
the ball. Miles Garrett comes in there and gets a
tackle for lost. Then he gets a sack, his fourth
sack of the day. Then the Ravens got a it

(44:15):
ain't gonna matter all right, Look, so then your door
comes in there. I get very excited. I'm happy. I
want to go. I hope. I'm hoping that he comes
out there and does well. But at the same time,
he hasn't practiced. We're gonna were gonna get to when
he has a power man, let's go ahead, go ahead.
I'm just hoping I'm doing that. He ain't. No, not

(44:39):
not off, I mean still not off the rip. Not
off the rip. I need not off the rip. He
was out there, he got the street, he got striped, sacked,
and they had to pun on this first drive. The
Ravens get the ball back, they get the fourth and eight. Hey,
what's up? Listen? At least Lamar gave it right back

(44:59):
to you right after that. Yes, so yeah, they put
a scratch yes, you're door second drive, first and ten,
junk and slips and falls second down, incomplete pass corner,
jumped a route, third and ten, third and ten. I

(45:19):
don't know if it was if he knows how to
slide the protection? Who who who missed the block? But
it was three people blocking one person.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Joe, right, Joe. Okay, what we'll get to that, Joe.
Nothing happened, Joe. The Ravens came back out there. They
got another field goal.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Okay, you see do you see this picture I'm talking about?
This is when he threw the pit, he gets smacked
like right here, it's one person over there to the
right blocking and we have three of our players. But
you're saying he called that protection like that. No, I'm saying,

(45:57):
I don't know who called the protection. I don't know
if he knew that Like this is he's this is
his first time. Man. We need to know, like hopefully
the lion is sliding into this side. Some there was
some miscommunication. Something's going on right here where we consider
you don't get a chance of practice with the ones.
We'll get to that, but any we'll get to that.
But I'm just saying this, this does not look right

(46:18):
for either the lineman, the quarterback, the sliding the protection obviously.
So he gets right there, stands in the pocket, throws
a pick and it doesn't doesn't look good for my man.
Bravens get the ball on the sixteen yard line and
then Brown's defense again. You know what I'm saying. Lamar
Jackson throws the ball, hits off somebody's head, and then
my young bull forty nine jumps up, makes a pick,

(46:40):
makes a play, gets the ball right back for us.
So now Shoudeau goes back out there right right. So
now on the first and ten on this when he
gets to scrambling out, you don't throw the ball back
behind your body like this. He could have thrown a
pick on the first play. So I'm not here for
like to to say, like I'm gonna be honest when

(47:03):
everybody plays like Dylan at the beginning of the game too,
he had passes. He threw one good pass. And that's
the one thing about Dylan. He threw a good pass
to Tillman, and you said, listen, job, but what you're
going to just go ahead and let you get Okay, okay,
So this is what we go do. Okay, y'all stall

(47:25):
out all day. Hey, man, I could have swore like
I seen a dude take off like he was running forever.
Big dude, big dude. Yeah, yeah, broke. It's sixteen sixteen, right,
that's a field goal. Hey, just push you faith to faith.

(47:45):
Y'all touched out, got to be you'll go out there
turned over on downs. Now let's go ahead and get
to the Browns issues. The Browns issues is your offense
is trash, trash. There's nothing else I could say. Period. Okay,
Now let's get to my guy or your guy. Shure, Sure,

(48:07):
how do you think you do a play man? I
don't think she do play good at all, honestly, four
for sixteen forty seven yards sometimes just standing back in there,
you know what I'm saying, like just moving, just moving
a little bit too slow. And I'm not gonna blame
him too much because at the end of the day,
how many reps has he got? This his first time

(48:28):
out there at all, getting any snaps, being able to
throw the ball to Judy. This is crazy talk though,
him being there since I've been since being drafted, rookie camp, everything,
and not being able to have any time to throw
the ball to these to these players is crazy. So
the ill preparedness of him and not like if you're

(48:49):
a backup quarterback, we know he's gonna get You're not
going to get a lot of reps at all. But
when Dylan Gabriel was the backup quarterback, was he getting
any reps just in case something were to happen if
your starter goes down, your backup knees some type of reps.
So him not going to never heard in my life,
in your life, in your life, extreme quarterback, never getting

(49:10):
any time with the one in history of a season
ever ever, ever in life. Now listen, it's so there's
two levels of people that are looking at that. Hold on,
hold on, hold on, I'm not done because it's not.

(49:31):
And this is the thing too, I'm not here to
be a shador. I'm I'm gonna be honest. So you
can't stand up here and say the four for sixteen
was great. I don't think it wasn't a good performance.
He did a little things a little too slow. Uh,
some of just the intentional groundings, stuff like that we
just can't have. But the deep ball, the dig when
he did have time, throwing that dagger on time, standing

(49:53):
up in the pocket, like being able to be really
a quarterback, throwing the first two passes he did, like
rolling out to the pocket, throwing it on target, not high.
Some of the passes day were dropped, you know that
were dropped. So I'm not here to say he didn't
like he played like horrible game, But that wasn't That
wasn't Schador's best And he knows that too. You know
what I'm saying. He's like, man, how did you play?

(50:15):
I didn't do good? So I'm not here to be like, no,
she door played great. There's a lot of reasons why
he played the way he did. But I'm really excited
because now he at least gets for the shad door
haters like this man, he throws your door in and
just the artist you're trying to bash him by this.
Now look what you got. This what you got? Now
be happy. But I'm like, no, no, no, shut your mouth.
We let we watched Dylan Gabriel. He's been able to

(50:35):
get his first fifteen plays. He been able to sit,
get reps with the coaches, been able to get reps
with the coordinator, be able to find what plays I like,
what I feel comfortable with on third down, what I
want to, what plays I want to, what plays I
feel comfortable with. So this was not good, but let's
give him a leash. He's going to get his time.
We able to see Dylan Gabriel throw one good pass
the game, and I saw and just a lot of aarones.

(50:56):
So I was always been brutally honest. Just if it's
a bad pass, you're throwing something in the ground, that's
what it is. If you throw a good plass, it's
a good pass. So Dylan's been able to throw like
it's consistently two good passes per game. I can by this,
that's a nice pass. That's not good enough, you know
what I'm saying if you want to be a professional quarterback.
So with Shador's performance today that was not the other day,
that wasn't good, But for him to now be able

(51:19):
to finally get to go in there, for him to
now finally be able to throw the ball to the
starting receivers, be able to meet with the line and
get his cadence, be able to know protections, being able
to get who's calling these protections, being able to just
get a feel, being able to get his feet wet
like he said, for this game, unexpectedly just getting thrown
in and to Dylan Gabriel's playbook, you're not gonna you

(51:41):
may not perform well. So I don't think he played
good at all. But I'm very excited for him now
to be able to get some plays and be able
to get out there and be able to play with
his stuff, be able to get some plays that he likes,
be able to get some practice under his belt, and
get out there with a clip, with a clean opportunity.
I geek.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
It's two for him levels of people. It's two different
kinds of people want to see Shadoor do something.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
It's the Shador haters who hate him because of his father,
who hates him because they feel like he got an
opportunity to they didn't. That hates him because he is
who he is. Okay, period Again in this other end,
who are like yo, I want to see him do well. Okay,
I want to see him do well. I just don't

(52:32):
want to see him.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Do well against us. Now that being said, I'm one
with you. Shador did not have a good game. But
Shador did make throws.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
He did make decisions that were good and bad. Could
have made better decisions again at the same time, you're
trying to make like, oh, he's supposed to come in
here as the backup quarterback who has never had a
snap with the ones, he has never seen real game
time speed, because preseason is not game time speed, and

(53:07):
you're gonna judge him as if he's stepping in there
as Tom Brady coming through and just supposed to come
in here and lace and light everything up. And you
don't gave this boy that's in front of him more
than enough time, and he is still not able to
do it.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
The comparison of the two is very close, with one
guy getting no snaps. And I'm just talking about right
here in this half period. So all your door haters,
y'all keep hating, they keeps the door in there. He
go get time, he go get a chance to be like, Oh,
this is how fast my dude is running the route.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
This is where I need to put the ball. Oh,
these guys are gonna get to me faster this I
need to throw this ball faster. He breaks here, I
can throw it faster as soon as he cuts to
there because I.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Know where he's going. He ain't had the timing to
get all that together. Okay, he ain't had the time
to work with his linemen and realize, hey, a craze.
You know I might, I might, I might need to
know if so and so on is over here. Just
you know, everybody knows who the lineman is that may
let somebody slide through on you.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Somebody know who may mistake what you got to adjust to,
same thing your receivers. Hey, you gotta go ahead and know, Hey,
how he likes to run his route, where he cuts
on his route? Is he going to adjust to his
route like the one like he could have hit the
he could have hit the tight end. But dude, he's
reading probably his primary and he don't even get time
to really get to it. But he's nolet's come in.

(54:32):
He done have time to play and know you know
you're hot. Time. Stop hating on the man, give him time,
then debo. He threw the ball at the end of
the game to in the end zone that was laid.
That was a great play. It was in his hands.
If they catch the ball, oh wall across his body.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yes, that's the decisions that you make when you're you
haven't had the time to be out there, and he's
trying to make a play.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
He's trying to win the game.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I done seen your boy dealing, daling, whoever he is,
do the same thing persistently at least one one time
every other game. This man had one half and never
had a snap, never had a snap with the ones.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
If you as a Cleveland Brown fan or an owner
or the.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
GM and he ain't had a snap, the heeo two,
y'all need to fire your head coach now.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
It's crazy. It's crazy that's put in the position to lose.
Just put dialing back in when we playing, see lo
I appreciate your honesty with that debo. I appreciate your hander,
you know, but for real, real because when I look
at your door, when you look at your door, and
I just don't like when people get done wrong. I

(55:49):
like when it's a fair It's NFL is the game
where the best players get the most opportunity, and nobody's
trying to set you up for failure. I just don't
want to feel like he getting set up a fair think.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
That he is when he assisted the same way as
they assistant Dylan period.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah. So I just hope now being able to get
out there and the smart thing you should door is
a baller. He knows when he didn't play well, he
was like, man, I didn't play well. So now when
I get the chance to go out there prep for
the game, you know you're going to be starting. You
know you're gonna be out there. It's a whole different
type of prep and you're going to get reps and
you know that you're going out there for a purpose.

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So I'm geek for question what the first thing?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
But what the first thing he did when he got
in the locker room, Hey, guys, that's gonna.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Be Hey, that's he tried to take the full blame
for it. But like you know, it's a team game,
and you know, like you said, Hey, that's that's that's leadership.
And what's your other leader? Telling? What? What? What? What? What?
Dare say? Ain't just on you? What are you talking about?
This is a team?

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Well it's a team already got his back Stefanski.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Huh, that was the most that was the most energy
in that. Did you and did you hear? Did you
and did you did you hear? His response to how
when he was saying by the crowd was the crowd
started booming for dealing When he threw that third and
five yard route out of bad tell me about of course,
I ain't seen the game go ahead. No, no, no, you

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see just the out route. I'm like, you can't not
just throw that outroud. I'm sorry, that's just bad pass.
He's wide open. And then the crowd started booing, and
then Shador was like this, I ain't gonna lie like.
I just don't like when the crowd like with booze
because at the end of the day, it's support, but
you don't want to feel dealing uncomfortable. I'm loving his
just trying to have his man's back because at the
end of the day, he's not rooting for his downfall.

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But when you get out there, it's like the crowd
wanted l wants you to do. They said enough, you've
seen him for five games. I've been watching it trying
to be as honest and like, man, we make a
good pass. I'm not just saying get him out of there,
like give him a chance, let him start, like we
give him like four more, like before we get four games,
gets five games? All right, No, now he's out, he's
concussion and he wasn't doing that well. I'm gonna I'm

(58:04):
gonna tell you this right now. I'll tell you this
right now, from the performance the boy had. I'm talking
about Dylan leading up to now and him getting put
out with concussion. Mm hmm. If they bring him back
next week, the fansky hates facts fact. If he brings

(58:30):
him back, he needs to let that man get his
knogging right, go through the protocol. You know what I'm saying.
You're rushing him for what one game? Rushing him back
to not let your door get his first day. I

(58:52):
don't know. I think we played they play Vegas. Uh,
this week came and then that's what I'm going week.
I'm going week by week with the Browns, going week
by week. You're the man trying to rest his head. Okay,
he obviously has trouble figuring out things. His accuracy is trash,

(59:12):
so now his eyes gonna be a little woozy like
but it's crazy. I don't care what you do. I
hope you get fired. You deserve it, just from the
comments that you said about him, like you don't know
who your back up here, your number two quarterback is,
and you just got rid of Joe Flacko and you
only got one other quarterback on your use a use
a piece of trash. Shout out the Dan Yeah you right.

(59:40):
Shout out to Devin Bush with the pick six. Hold
on that gotta show you real quick debo. Okay, okay,
we did time. That's that's another good man. He did
drafted by now he with the Browns, he's another one
of my cross contaminator, brother, he crossed themator. Yeah right man, bruh,

(01:00:04):
oh my, are you dude? We got a time, bru
It's twelve o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
We're gonna have to catch up on the rest of
these man uh tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
But what we gonna do right now? Man? As Joe,
we got a super chat right there, Joe, let me
see that. I don't. I don't got the super chat
on my check and see brother, your vibes mm hm
oh we got a super chat. Got a super chat,
man super chat at tell me something chat Black Wolf

(01:00:35):
zero four one two. He donated five dollars. He said,
I'm going. I said, I'm going right to the point.
If any player spin on you, depot, would you have
the same reaction the same way? No, Bro, I would
have went to jail. I do I would like I'd

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at least try to like get all the way rip
his helmet on. Jalen actually kind of you know, he
he's a dude itself. After he got a couple off
and he realized he wasn't and he was like kind
of like, no, no, it wouldn't have been no stopping.
The hammer would have been off like it would have been. Dude, honestly,

(01:01:18):
old me would have cleared both both both sides the
clear Bo. You wouldn't let you wouldn't have let go
the ground. Bro, I would have bro. I would not
have let go. I would not have let go. Hey
man Rick from New York, Hey, he gave four ninety
nine nine.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
He said, with Dick Laboy as your decordinator, pick a
head coach to play your entire career for Cower or Tomlin.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Oh that's a hard one. That's a you question right there.
You know what I'd have to go. I'd have to
go Cower. I'd have to go Cower. I liked, I

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liked what we had as a mean, it was how
many years did you do with each one? Oh? Man,
I think it was only Here's the thing. I would
like to go with Coward because of his approach and
how he coached, how he led his players and and
and so on and so forth. His his his his personnel.

(01:02:30):
You know, he had coaches in there that that that
that were you know, great talents. You know guys that
that went other places, did other things, and and like
coach lebo dude. You know what I'm saying, Like, come on,
you like so that? That for me is you know
why it would be Cower. But I don't know I

(01:02:56):
can respect that. No, when you got coaches like that,
you you picking you picking between that. That's the hard
point when you pick between grades. You know what I'm saying.
It's not like you trying to shoot down one that
said the same good about the other. It's like you
gotta he like, man, both great picks. I could pick
either one. But if you're asking me for my personal
and honestly honestly, for me, what it comes down to
is I like what we had as far as a defense,

(01:03:20):
and I think a lot of that came from how
Coward picked his players, like and how he brought you up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Like if you didn't play well on supposed to teams
with cowor you wasn't starting, I don't care you weren't
coming in, it's just starting because I picked you at
this position or that position, like it's not happening, dude,
it's not happening.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Like you know, And like Coach Butt's best line back
coach ever had man like we had guys that you know,
they went and taught you the position, like they played
the position. We had guys that played the position. So
they taught you the position. You knew, you know, you
had the nuances of the position, and then you knew
what was going to be difficult, and you knew what

(01:04:03):
was You were never asked to do anything that was impossible.
You know what I'm saying. They picked players that would
play to the position we needed them for.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
So if I need Casey Hampton, why do I need
Casey Hampton? Because we run a true three four. We
don't run a bastardize four three. We run a true
three four. What that means.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
That means your three in tier alignment got to take
up five at least four for sure. They got to
be big body middle man. You got to be able
to hold to and move nowhere. And that's what Casey
Hampton did. On top of that, his backup Chris Hope Hope, sorry,
it's Hope. He did the same thing and it was

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pick the player on the spot for the position. Learn it,
learn it. It was, it was what did to your backup.
It was only one player to ever started on Dick
Lar Bows defense as a rookie, and that was Kendo Bell.
And you know why we played gap defenses. Gap defense

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means it tells the mac gat mac, sword, knife, gun,
whatever it is. It tells the mac take off to
a gap on the right, a B C D on
the right or abc D D on the left. Because
it's so hard to understand and learn that defense by
time I came back, Dude, I think when I came back,
we had two or three rookie starting on the defense

(01:05:31):
that ended up having to be changed because you don't
know it, but they're being put out there to start,
rushed into the start because that's what they want done.
And it destroyed the defense to where you know, by dude,

(01:05:52):
we had we used to have goal sheets. So you
remember you wasn't even here. You came in seventeen, right,
you had no goal sheet. Right, I don't think I
had a goal sheet. I just saw the sack shot.
They stopped the goal sheet after sixteen because we couldn't
hit them. So it was a goal sheet where you

(01:06:12):
had it was like, I think, like fifteen things, and
it was coasala Bol's goal sheet. So these fifteen things,
if you got somewhere between twelve or more, you had
like a ninety chance of the game, y'all winning the game.
And these goals were based on like with the top
five percent or ten percent whatever it was. I think

(01:06:33):
it was five, it was five or ten, I can't remember.
Of the league had did the previous years. So yards
per game, yards per catch, yards per throw, all this
other stuff. We stopped that in sixteen because dude, we
were not getting the goals, so they just stopped it all.
Now I'm not gonna keep this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
It was but also coach Lebaul was gone. It was
a change of him m hm. So instead of us
coming in, you know every week and we're looking at
this goal sheet and we ain't got nothing, but you know,
three of them chat like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
They just did away with it. So now you don't
even have a goal, you don't have numbers, you don't
have anything that you're setting your standard on to aspire to,
like analytics, before they were analytics, he already had that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Like that's the way it was set up, And the
only reason I noticed is because I asked him. I'm like, yo, coach,
the number went up a little bit from this year
this year. From from last year to this year, well,
the numbers of the average from last year went out.
So instead of it being a run of you know,
like three point one, and went to three point two.
So every run has to average less than three point two.

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Every past has to average less than you know, what
was it six or seven something whatever it was, like,
you know, and if you hit those goals, you're going
to be in that top five defense.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
So boom, like that was our team. Ooh, we got
our team go right now, we don't have anything. I mean,
we were turning over the ball. We're creating turnovers, which
is good. We need to, like you said, Debo, the

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the the gaps, people not in the same gap, people
having to do too much for a job. I don't
know how that's that's like you said, that's defensive. That's
coordinational change. So I don't know how that's going to change.
All right, unless you there. We got one more super chat, baby,
I've been what is it lavin five dollars? He actually

(01:08:46):
he asked you this question. He said, will Miles scaredt
break the sack record? What are you at right now?
Fifteen sixteen? I think they said he got I think
it might be seven games left and he got eight
sacks to break it. With these multiple sack games, and
I don't see he got the five and then he
backed it up with the four. He got ten in

(01:09:07):
the last four weeks. So I mean, if he he
I could easily see him getting a sac of week
and one of these go and get three. I mean
he's playing against the all come. He gonna go against
probably the Bengals again, probably do they play the still
I think they played still as yes, and then sincing
it at the Ravens play against them. I think he

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might play everybody in the division. So you know, with
our divisions, it's possible. They said, the Raiders, the forty
nine Ers, Titans, Bears, Bills, still messing around with the Raiders.
He might mess around, go look messing around. He goes
against the Raiders against a three piece like I'm not
seeing Geno Smith standing back there. Their line isn't the best,

(01:09:50):
so he can go easily, you know what I'm saying.
Get them behind the sticks. They stopped to run and
then Miles guy, but start teeing off. You know what
I'm saying. So he go get three and we got
he got you got us in the Bengals at the end.
So mm hm, I mean awesome. Listen, man, we gotta
get out here. I gotta get going man, I'm supposed
to be somewhere a little bit. But look, I want

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to thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Guys for joining us on this episode of D Boy
and Joe. As I say, as I say, we're gonna hit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
The other games tomorrow, Babit, but hit the like and
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