Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the New England Patriots beating the New York Jets on Thursday Night Football, the New York Jets almost hired Mike Vrabel before the Patriots jumped in and hired him, Bleacher Report ranks their top 5 most overrated quarterbacks and much more!
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That link is pinned in the chat, Oh Joe. The
Patriots looked offul impressive. They beat the Jets twenty seven fourteen.
(02:51):
I don't know they looked impressive. The Jets aren't good,
but the Patriots look good. I mean those first couple
of drives. Drake May with Brady esque, I'm talking yes,
even nice Stefan Diggs bill and reinvigorated. He looks good.
Henderson is running extremely hard. Uh two touchdowns on the ground,
one in the air. Drake May twenty five thirty four
(03:13):
to two eighty one one touchdowns. I thought, overall, I
thought they played well. Uh but who let's let's let's
before we get to the Jets, let's highlight the Patriots.
O Joe, Yeah, Okay, okay, Mike Rabel has done an
unbelievable job. You go, you go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Hell of a job, hell of a job. Listen, Mike Rabel.
I'm not sure what he did once he got there,
but he's done one hell of a job. Obviously. It
makes things much easier when you have a quarterback that's
playing out of his mind and only his second year
in Drake May. In the Division, they three and oero. Obviously,
the talk has always been the super the supposed to
go to the Super Bowl. This is their year. The
(03:51):
Buffalo Bills. They're two and two in the division. The
goddamn the Patriots have dominated all season long. Being ninety two.
This is something I wasn't expecting. Being being the fan
of the game of football that I am, I didn't
think they would be this good. They have been really,
really well. And because of the quarterback play, obviously, the
supporting cast defense is played well. Stefan Diggs is playing
out of his mind. He's playing out of his mind
(04:13):
even playing very very good football. Matt Collins out there
making plays, Douglas doing well, doing well as well. And
Trayvon Henon is it Trayvon Henderson? Am I saying that right?
Trayvon Henderson, trebon man? Listen, but young Bull, nice boy,
young young Bull is really young bull, real nice. He's
one of the few running backs to on on on
(04:33):
on the field that can hit his head off the
goal post. Play with Okay, he got he got speed,
got speed to burn. So man, they look really good.
They look really good tonight man. And on defense, hey
that got a that God damn. Christian Gonzales.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
He nice, oh he he fluid, Hey, listen, he nice.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
He needs I know he's been injured a little bit,
but he needs to be in the conversation of top
five dbs.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Especially Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you know PS PS
two Stingley Jr. Him, Yeah, you know, those those are
those are your top I guess people like JE Horn,
some people like J. C. Horn, But I think I
think Gonzale, I think PS two and I think uh
uh Stingley Jr. I think those are the top three
(05:18):
corners in my book because they all present very very
very different now, Gonzales and and PS two kind of
they got kind of similar body types. Their tall angular
uh Stingley is a little bit more compact, probably a
little bit a little more a little because a little
probably a little stronger because of the way he the
way he's built. But if you look at the way
(05:40):
PS two and the way he glides, he and Gonzales
have a very very similar game. Yeah. Yeah, Trivia on
heresy had two Russian one in their uh one. Yeah
they threw him one. Uh. But yeah, this is this
is oh Jo. This is a very good team. They're
very well coached. And now you see why that after
one year miss the crafts Like you know what, Gerard,
(06:01):
I really hate to pull the plug this quick, but
this coach is proven, uh and it's too good to
pass up. And if we don't do this now, there's
a good guess.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Be going somewhere else. Yeah, he'd be going somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Else because if you think about it. The Falcons interviewed
Mike Brabel Mike McDonald at Seattle. They interviewed like more
guys that are doing extremely well right now, and they
settled on the right course and right he's gonna have
to get this thing. He's gonna have to get this
thing turned around. But just watching New England, they don't
(06:35):
beat themselves. I know, you know, Raber doesn't really mention
a whole lot, but I think he took a whole
lot playing under coach Belichick. The matter of rhythm that
he's not as he's not his stoic on the sideline.
He's waiting to give his guys high five coming off
the field. He's waiting to hug his guys. You watch
him in the hallway, Oho, when they're coming off the
field after Big Rick victory, he's hugging everybody. Hey, come on,
(06:57):
get in here, come on, let's go. Let's And he's
a guy I would love to play for. He's the
type of guy that you loved, you love to play
for because he ain't go sugarcoat it now, Oh Joe,
you know exactly where you stay with Mike Rabel. Yes, sir, o.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Joy, take you time, Take it time.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I tweeted a little bit, but I just say I
just stopped tweeting because people, you know, I think, like man,
you pick it on the guy. But at some point
in time, Oh Joe, I'm not so sure Justin Fields
is gonna ever be what a lot of people thought
he would become. Oh, Joe, let me give you some
of these stats. He was three four eleven he got
injured in the fourth quarter for twenty seven yards. He
(07:40):
played the entire game Incos, he was nine of seventeen
for forty five yards. He played the entire game. Against
the Carolina Panthers, he was six or twelve for forty
six yards and lost to Cleveland. He was six of
eleven for fifty four yards and forty two of your
those yards came on a screenplay bad tonight. Yeah. Before
(08:02):
the final drive he had seventy five yards passing. Yes, sir,
I think A d Mitchell left his hands in Indy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Hey, oh listen, listen now. Now he ended the game
with seventy five.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yards, right, No, he had one hundred and sixteen. But
before that, before the final drive, he got forty one
of the white sixteen. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
So, So one of the things that I do want
to say before before we pile on Justin Field, I
want to I want to talk about some of the
drop passes Ady Mitchell. Two big plays. They played two
big players in the first half before half you got
the had those go ball. Yeah, it's oh man, you
got to have that. Hey, it's perfect though outside showing away.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
From the can't ask for anything more than that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
O joe, you got to have that's that's perfect red line.
You pull that in, then the wheel route up. You know,
adjust yourself, slow down a little bit. You know, if perfect,
perfect ball outside shoulder, dB has no way to make
a play, has no way to make a plan. You
got to have that. So though those are those are
passes that you got to help your quarterback out. Sometime
(09:11):
you got to help your quarterback. And that's why the
sash looked like look the way they look. Sometimes that
dropped past.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
He had he had a couple of drop but there
was a couple O joe, he had AD and AD
probably would have dropped it, but he had him on.
He had him on the head. That's a simple pitching catch.
Oh he threw a wi he threw you put that
on that because here's the thing, the dB is probably retreating.
You put that on him. Now, get to face you up.
(09:37):
There's a chance I can make you miss at least
at least I caught it at five and bare minimum Ojo,
I'm gonna get a first down. I might make you
missing yet even more, I'm like, justin to start the game.
You can't because what do we always say, O Joe,
give me something. I just want to get my hand.
I just want to touch the ball. Let me touch it.
Gotta give me nothing sophisticated. Just let me catch it.
(10:00):
Let me catch ah, let me catch a shallow cross.
I just want to touch the ball. You give it
to them early? You got me late? Yeah? Justin? How
how on a on a on a five yard hitch route?
You miss a got that far outside?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Mm hmm and listen. And that that goes for the
quarterback too. Most of the time, some quarterbacks they don't
want to come out with anything. Want they want some short.
They want a nice little checkdown to get themselves in
a rhythm, you know, to get a feeling for the
game and not not really chase the game, but allow
the game to come to them. And and that's that's
what you want. You want to slant, you want to hit,
you want some want some you know, short. But I
(10:37):
think I think right now, I'm not sure. With as
bad as the Jets are, everyone around justin fields has
to be almost they have, yet they have to raise
their level of play. They got to raise their level
of play to catch up or to make sure they
can overcome for Justine's mistakes or his lack of confidence.
(10:57):
Right now, you have to that. That's what you need.
You you that kind of dog out there. And he didn't.
He didn't play to night. I think I think Garrett
was ir right now. So's he's gonna miss the next
now three games after the night and and and then boy,
they got the musterd up, they got the mustard up.
You know those that are there, John John Michie made
some made some plays John Messy. I'm sorry, I might
(11:19):
apologize Messi. He made some plays to night. Tight end,
you know, little chuck down play.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
But that's yeah, you gotta have that catch, that tight
end on the fourth down. You gotta hold that one.
You got the first down, and you're getting hard because
you take it so long to blit the ball to
you the guys to bring it in.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, he knocked it down. But outside of that, man,
listen the gests that they if they didn't play that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Bad, they didn't they really just couldn't get off the
field in that first half, oh, Jo, They couldn't get
off the field. Yeah. I mean they get him in third,
they get him in third and four, third and five,
they get a first down, they get him in third
and ten, they get a first down. They just could
not get off the field. And and I'm like, okay,
they rush three, they rush four, they bring pressure, and
they still didn't get there. I'm like, well, damn, how difficult.
(12:07):
I mean, man, how difficult is it? And you you're right?
And I think a lot of times the drops maybe
that that messes with with with Justin Field's confidence because
he's like, well, am I doing something? What am I
doing wrong? Because he'll throw one terrible and then he'll
drop a dime, he'll throw two terrible, and he'll throw
another dime. He had he had ad Mitchell again him
to go. He had gone out as an ass with
(12:28):
the ball. I thought he's playing pin the tail and
a donkey. I said, with damn he comes out in
the ass.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
He was. And that's the thing. When you get a
guy beat down there on Joe, you know you're already
struggling as an offense. You can't miss what I tweeted.
I said Mitchell you're not that good offensively to oh,
you're not that good of a team to overcome those
kind of mistakes. That's a flat out draw. And they're not.
And you're saying, okay, you get a guy like Justin
(13:02):
Fields and he's struggling. But they don't have the receivers.
They don't have a Chase or Jeda or one of
these top flight receivers that could over a couple of them.
They need more than one. They need a couple of
a couple of them that can elevate them. They and
I just, I just.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It sucks. It sucks. It sucks. And listen, not not
only that they're not playing well, they let two of
the best players on d SHO obviously got you got
you got players for them, so you would hope those
players that you got in the trade can step up
and and and and and play the part. And obviously
it's it's eighty it's eighties, first week, this is first
year two right, this is the first game.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Is there the first time he caught the path? Is there?
The first time he read around? I mean, I mean
you say, no matter where you go, wherever, you play
right right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Right, right right right, like I'm not listening. I'm not
making no excuse me for him. You have to you
have to make those plays. You have to.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
You got to and with justin fields excuse me, Garrett
Wilson out. It's supposed to be the best receiver because
the cost. They had high expectations until you got into
Shane Steiken's dog house with that fumble. It was never
the same after that. Now, maybe there was something going on,
Maybe that was the final straw that broke the Campbell's
back on Joe, But from that point on.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It was the same nome.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But I just don't know how you throw for twenty
seven yards in a game, you throw for forty five
yards in a game, you throw for forty six yards
in the game, you throw for fifty four yards in
a game, and you throw for one hundred and sixteen
and forty one of that came on the final drive.
I just don't know how you move on and become
and become what people thought you were going to become
(14:43):
when they took you at the top draft pick. Now
you know, I think you were fifteen to sixteen something
like that on Joe. I just don't see the consistency.
I don't see I don't see him. One two, check
it down one two three out of bounds one two gone.
I don't see that. And you know, as a quarterback
(15:05):
the really good ones. Yes, back foot here, Okay, I'm
dropping back. I know the play, Oh Joe, I'm dropping back.
Already gone through it. Okay, we've gone through it through
the course of the week. Cover one we go here,
Cover two we go there, Quarters we go here, Cover
five we go there, Scott Siks, we already know. So
when you back it up, the sect has already told
(15:26):
you what it's doue single high safety. Oh I know,
I'm going right now. Oh he's covered. Let me let
me see what two wheels it's two there. Okay, let
me take this check down. Oh Joe, Yeah, see it
seems like it's like he got a dial up service.
He ain't got that. By g they say they got something.
They got teng Off in China say, hey, you cut
the Boneum already gone to what you're looking for?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, yeah, most definitely. I think the fact that also
with the offensive line not not playing as well as
they should be, he's rushing everything a little bit, not
being able to go through his progression and understand listen
pre snap. Okay, I'm seeing what they're doing. And once
that ball snaps, you know, obviously you want you want that.
You want that head straight down the field, not giving
(16:07):
anything away and not having the time to be able
to go through his read and progression. I think he
speeds things up and hurry's throws. He rushes throws to
Herbie getting the ball out of his hands too.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, I mean, okay, I'm looking at against Buffalo. He
averaged two point five yards of the temp against the Broncos,
two point six yards per attempt against Carolina, three point
eight yards per attempt against Cleveland four point nine yards attempts.
That's not even a running back average squat. If he's
doing that, right, imagine if you're a quarterback and that's
(16:37):
what your yard per attempt did, that is horrible.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, it's bad. But also you know, also, you know
what else, It also comes down to the weapons around you.
It also it also comes down to what do you have,
what is your supporting cast? Like now you take a
Justin Fields here hypothetically speaking, right, so you keep the
same and you put a Jamar Chase. So you put
(17:02):
a Justin Jefferson, you put a T. Higgins or you
put any of the top tier, top tier receivers on
that team together. Yeah, snow one in the one or
one or one in a one or a decent a
decent two. Yeah, Hey, it looked completely different because they
can overcome for all the woes that justin fields may
(17:22):
be having. They can overcome all that the small stuff.
You got Jamar Chase, crazy ass could take a goddamn
slant and the goddamn hitch eighty yards. You got T
Higgins any ball you throw to him, which was considered
for most receivers fifty to fifty. Hell with him, it's
ninety ten. Like small stuff like that, where you have
players that that can elevate their play to overcome for
(17:46):
your your shortcomings, it makes things easier. But they just
don't have that. Therefore, everybody else has to raise their
level to play, and damn there be perfect and that
that's the issue. That's the issue.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
They have to look at the guys that you just mentioned,
they had their best seasons. If you think about it,
what do the guys do really well? Process information really
really quickly. Oh yeah, go back and look at Joe. Now,
go back and look at Joe Flacco. It doesn't even
look like Chase is falling off because Joe Flacco backfoot here.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I'm going to it as cousins, Sam Donald, You couldn't
care who's in there with Jella because they process information
quickly you And that is the number one thing.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
How well do you download information? And how quickly can
you disseminate it? I don't care. I don't care what
you got. I don't care what I got, but leg
you got? Can you Hey, if I put that information
on Joe, how soon can you spit it back out? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And the funny thing about it is not only being
able to process it, not only being able to spit
it out, but you know what makes it even easier
the motherfucker you're throwing but.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Easier. But see, now you got me? Okay, I run
a hitch route, Now you gonna got me? Well, do
I need to slide? Do I need to slide? Because
I'm anticipating because I don't know where it's gonna be.
I know normally I'm gonna get a hitch. I will
get it in the framework of my body, Ojo, because
he's not gonna be under pressure because it's one, two three, boom,
balls out, so he's not gonna be up under pressure.
(19:21):
So I think I'm gonna get the ball somewhere in here,
here here, not out here. Yeah, So it makes it difficult.
It's like sometimes when you're dealing with a mobile quarterback,
it's hard to adjust to them Ojoe because I run
my route and next thing I know, he wear the
crowd screaming. I'm like, damn, what happened? He way over there?
(19:43):
I'm like, what, Dad. So it's hard when your quarterback
is inconsistent. I don't give a damn what the receiver is.
You want some consistency at that that position, but you
want somebody that can digest information. The holch put the
put it in, and he spit it right back out
in the form of getting the ball out of his hand.
(20:06):
I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong, But I
just don't know if he's ever gonna be what many
thought he would be, especially when you look at the
game that he had against who did you play against Clemson?
You look at that game and he had against Clemson,
and he was sensational. Yeah and and and I was like, okay,
now playing with those guys that he had alive and
(20:29):
Garrett Wilson and all those guys. We understand, see see,
but you didn't realize once you get to the NFL,
the likelihood of you having five receivers that are five
stars or or be that type of guy that the
likelihood is not very good. Yeah. Does he have a Chase? No?
Does he have a Jetta? Does he have any of
the top top receivers. No?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Not. Now what I will say, Now, what I will say,
he does have Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Now, Garrett Wilson, who was who had a phenomenal who
had a phenomenal rookie year.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
With facts that if you look at him, O Joe,
if you look at him, if you just put him
on paper and you say, look at what was throwing
the Garrett Wilson when he won Offensive Rookie of the Year,
and you look at what's throwing the Garrett Wilson. Now
if you just look on just hey, you're like man
with Justin Fields. He about to go and he played
with him in college.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, I mean I mean, listen, jud
Garrett Wilson is a phenomenal talent. Nothing should taper off
when you have a talent like that it's so easy
when you look at what they're able to do with
Devonte Adams and and pooping the cop hell JSN And
obviously I don't think the Jets offensive coordinator has that
(21:41):
kind of creativity to put in you and Justin Justin Field,
to use Garrett Wilson in the right type of way
to create those mismatches like the other team.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I can give you all the nice ingredients, I won't,
but if you got can't cook, what the hell have
I done. I spent a whole lot of money on
going great foods, great ingredients, and I know you can't
make a dish with it. It comes down to it.
Oh Joe, you're really good. Go look at Chopped and
the Iron Chef and they get these they get these people. Okay,
(22:12):
I'm gonna give you chocolate. I'm gonna give you onions.
I'm gonna give you stone crabs. And I'm like, how
did you even think of this? Yes? But you give somebody,
you give them all. Okay, I'm gonna give you steak.
I'm gonna give you this. I'm gonna give you that,
And You're like, what I'm what I'm supposed to make?
(22:35):
I just I hope I'm wrong, chat, I really do,
But I just I just and I've seen him and
I've watched him. Now, this man has gone through three
head coaches and probably four offensive coordinators. And I'm not
and and and and and and sometimes you get lucky
and you get to you get a Sean mcvail, or
you get a Kyle shan a hand but I just don't.
(22:55):
I just don't know it, because at the end of
the day, the quarterback position is all about process and
information and then and spitting in the back out. That's
what it comes down to, it is. I mean, I
don't care how good, how big your arm is, I
don't care how fast your legs are. Can you process it?
O choe mm hmmm, Because that's that's a whole different bay,
because not only make you process, you gotta realize they
(23:18):
got they got fight that on most occasions they got
four guys that's really trying to tear your damn head off.
Oh so you got you in fear for your life.
But also you gotta calm yourself down and says you
know what, one to check down, one to throw it
out of bounds, one to if that I'm out.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, mhm, it's all. It's all about that.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Maybe maybe maybe put him in, maybe put him in
hurry up the game, because it seems like, you know,
when he's in hurry up, he's better. Yeah. Yeah, and
then fumble. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Unless that that's on the set. That's on the center too,
that's on the city. Come on, now, that's the NFL.
Now put the put put the snap at the It
should be the snap. The snap should come in the
same area every single time you go through your dog.
I mean like, come on now, come on, center, don't
don't at that.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Don't do that.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I love man that the ball hit it, the ball
hit his ankles.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But you know what, it's just that, you know, take that,
take that, Take that away. They got three points out
of there. Give the defense credit because I thought the
defense gave up one touchdowns and two field goals in
the second half. Yeah, they did force the three and
out on the on the first possession of the second half,
which is kudos. Uh. You know, you see, I think
(24:42):
the Jets won the toss and they took the ball.
They drove the ball right down the field, something they
don't normally don't do.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It normally ends in a punt or or turnover and
they drove the ball. I think they had the ball
like fourteen plays and drove the ball and punched it
in the end zone. But I just, Lord Hope, I'm wrong,
But I just, I just I just don't see where
he's ever gonna be more than what he is. I
don't think he's ever gonna be turning to what and
that's what. And that's okay because everybody ain't gonna be
(25:11):
a Lamar Jackson. Everybody's not gonna be Josh Allon or
Patrick Mahome. But I mean, I think if the Jets
could be okay, if he was just like middle of
the road, you just can't be you can't be the
bottom tier. I'm not saying you got to be top tier,
but I mean, if we got that kind of if
we got Chad you can see this, if we got
this much face, can you be somewhere.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
In here and not be down here in the middle, right?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Can we get that? O? Joe? Mm hmm. You know
it all?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
You know what else? It all comes down to not
only all not only all the intangibles and all the
all the nuances that we're talking about. But unless you
got confidence, hut, ain't nothing happening. You got to be
able to play with confidence. You have to be able
to play with confidence and and everything that you do.
And one of the most important positions, damn, quarterback is
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the most important, absolutely the most the most because if.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You don't believe your your your body language, yeah, your
aura is gonna say if you don't believe, I don't
believe either. M hmm. I mean, if you don't trust
your skill, why you won't me. That's why you used
to get in the car that joke somebody built. But
the seatbelt fast the seatbelt, Hell, I faster, mind you
do something I don't so you can building you. I've
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been around quarterbacks when they walk into the huddle. You know,
they do you the confidence that you know what the
hell you do.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
It exactly, exactly exactly. I hope, I hope they get
it together. I'm not sure what direction they're gonna go in,
but the way they've started so far and letting the
soft go and letting go oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
I wait, listen, but who are you Gonna're gonna're gonna
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start over.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
With the court.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, I believe, So you're gonna start with, So you're
gonna draft another one. You're gonna draft it, I believe so.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Or I mean, I don't know if there's any any
quarterbacks that's gonna become available. Uh yeah, probably Sam Donald
didn't want any parts of New York again, which I
wouldn't blame him, you know. Uh, but look, I mean
every day seemed like I hear a story about somebody
that played there having an interaction with the owner, and
it's never positive and it's never good, right Yeah, And uh,
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with that situation, I hope ag gets at least three years,
because it's not like you had to have a powerful
roster begin with. And now you stripped him of his
two best defensive players, so he got to get at
least two years. And without a quarterback, you can give
him five years. And he's still not gonna get it
done because you're not. It's hard, it's damn near impossible.
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And I know, ja well, y'all did it in twenty
two thousands with the raid with Trend Dilfer. They don't
allow you to play football like that. You don't play
football like that anymore. The rules are different. So no, Hey,
there's nobody winning another Super Bowl like we won it
or like Tampa won it in O two. You're not
because they won't allow you to play defense like that.
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Your quarterback is gonna have to stand in the pocket
and he's gonna have to make plays throwing the f
and football. Yeah, he's gonna be able to use his
legs to get out of harm's way some but he's
gonna have to be able to throw the football. The
days of oh, we got to kill a defense and
we're gonna run the ball. No, you're not. No, No,
you're not.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You're not. You're not gonna. You're not gonna win very
many games like that because once the team gets ahead
on you, once the team gets ahead on you ten
fourteen points.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And you can't run your way back into a game.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Absolute.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Let me ask you this, O Joe, do you like
Kyler Murray because I believe there's I believe there's gonna
be a separation of church in state in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Uh huh, Yeah, most definitely. Because I think Kyler Murray
is healthy. I think me personally, I think he's healthy.
But they're continuing to want to go with the Kobe
Brissett based on how he look and how the offense
moved with him, you know, the few weeks he's been
in Uh, if they do part ways with him, I'm
sure Kyler Murray will be somewhere.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Else next year for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
How how would it look over in New York I'm
not sure. I'm not sure if if it's a fit.
It all depends on AG. Obviously. Outside of AG, you
you got to go to the higher powers and see
if that's all yeah, they want to look into or
do you want to go into the draft?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Now?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
When you when you think about some of the quarterbacks
coming into the draft, you know this year, is there
a franchise altering quarterback that can come in there and
change the franchise. I haven't seen anything like that this year.
There have been some that have played good, but nothing
that just blows you out the water, like you know,
with that guy, we got to have him.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I haven't seen that. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I haven't seen it. So we'll see how this plays out.
O Jo Mike Rable was apparently very close to landing
the Jets job before the Patriot job Open Reporter Connor
heugh e'splaying that New York England hadn't fired Girard Mail
following its four and thirteen season. He believed Brabil would
have been the helm of the New York right now,
and truthfully, he was interested in the Jets as the
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Jets were interested in him. If the Patriot's job hadn't opened,
I genuinely believed that Brabil would have been going to
take the job. They wanted Mike Brabel more than anything else.
So that's when he was the only way to take
the Patriots job. They made the last second call. Is
anything we can do to give you the job full control,
more money? What do you want more? What more can
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we do to change your mind? O Jo? Yeah, if
you interviewed him, you should have. He should have never
left your building. You should have.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Hey, listen, you got to do that. You got to understand,
you got to understand a coach like that, which is
why mister Crabb did with Yes, this is why mister
Crabb did. He understood, he understood the assignmon ain't nowhere
in hell we have a quarterback. I think he just
had the right person in charge, you know, with a
little structure, with a little discipline, that can then and
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instill that Patriot way, you know. Graw Mayo I think
was well capable of doing so. They just didn't play
well for Grawd Mayo for for whatever reason, I don't know,
but the team looked completely different under the tutelage of goddamn.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Micro different teams.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Hey don't I don't know why, but listen. I don't
think Mike Raby would have had success in New York anyway.
He wouldn't have had success. Hell, if you're gonna have success,
if you couldn't do it in Tennessee, you damn she
won't be.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Able to do in New York. I think I think
Tennessee got with him prematurely. That's what I think. I
think the thing you don't listen today, like he and
and and the owners started butting head you know, you
know A and yeah, and uh, you know, I guarantee
she wish she had Mike Brabel. Now she's finding out.
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She's finding out the hard way. Yes, she's finding out
the hard way. I think the thing is like when
you're when you're in that type of position, you're in
ownership and you're a leadership, the one thing you can't
be is impulsive, get mad, you fired. You can't do it,
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even though sometimes I understand that you want you might
want to. You're never working this industry again, right, Brabel
had I mean think about it. And then they they
they they let Derrick Henry go and they ended up
trading A J. Brown.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yes, listen, horrible decision by A J. Wanted out, but
they were making horrible decisions.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
They would.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah that that too, but the trade was to try
and better they team. Let's see what we can get
for him and see if we can improve our team.
They drafted brother Trailing.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Burks, who was supposed to I think got my chemra
cut off.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, I mean that that that didn't pan out. That
didn't pan out too well. So, I mean it's just
they've been making some bad business decisions when it comes
to not only players, but the coaches. Yes, the coaches,
well you have you have a super Bowl winning coach
that knows what it takes to win. He knows how
to bill a team, obviously coming from the New Way,
the page Away, coming from England. You know what I
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have the formula, I know what it takes. It's not
gonna be the snap of a finger. And you can't
just take money and throw money at it. I need
time now and with that time, I need you to
give me a quarterback. If you give me a quarterback,
I'll take care.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Of the rest.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
He goes New England. He has a quarterback. Okay, you
know what, Now we set we have a franchise quarterback
for the next ten to fifteen years. Now, mister Kraft,
let me, let me do the rest. Let me do
the rest. So what we see from the Patriots right now,
we finish, see this for the next ten.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Twelve fifty for sure, because the one thing that you
know about mister Kraft is that he'll get he'll step
out of the way. Yeah, step out of the way. Now.
Do I think he has more in common with Brabel
than he did Coach Belichick? Yes, I do. I think
I think under normal circumstances, mister Craft and Coach Belichick
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probably with have butted heads. But in a situation like
where we're in, O Joe, I'm gonna hey, I'm mining
goal and we're still finding it. Yeah, and now if
Brabel takes that job and they can entice Sam Donald
to come back, because I do think Sam Donald says, Okay,
here's a coach that has control. I ain't got to
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I don't gotta worry about ownership. I ain't got to
worry about no general manager. Mike Brabel got controlled. I'm
not saying he has as much control, but I believe
who's the general manager didn't he didn't didn't the general
manager come back with Brabel? Yeah, because at the end
of the day, O Joe, some people take jobs, and
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I'm just happy to have a job. They ain't got
no sale over to fifty three, they got no silver
fifty free agency. They ain't got no say over to Drayt. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
That that's hard. That's hard. That's hard to be a coach.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Or was he already there? I know you got great.
Brabel more than likely has sale over fifty three and
has some say draft because he knows what he wants.
He knows the type of player, he knows the system
that he's trying to run. He knows the type of
player that he needs to fit set. That's why Coach
Belichick a lot of times when he drafted players, he
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wouldn't work them out himself, but he needed to talk
to because the thing is, you can't have a big
ego and play for coach Belichick because you say, what
do Nah, you gotta leave your ego at home, because see,
if you check it at the door, you might anybody
to look and go back and get it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Nah, that ain't gonna work. No, that it ain't gonna
matter of fact, it's it's not gonna work with Rabel,
absolutely not. Hey, look, hey, hold on, what's the first
thing we said about Stephan Diggs. What's the first thing
everyone says about Stefan Diggs. Well, hell, he looks like
a whole different person. He seemed like a whole different person. No,
thats just when you walk in that door in New England,
and just something about that atmosphere. They always talk about
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the Patriot Way, and so I can't explain it.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I was there.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
It's just the the or the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Just you you.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Check yourself down.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
The standard is the standard automatically.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You just do it.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Is that your sound on my sound not? Can you
speak of that? Your mind was moving? I hear nothing.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Oh, my bad, My bad, My bad. You know you
know I be talking so goddamn fast man, My bad.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, but uh man, I look, the Patriot's gonna be
good for a long time. And what we thought was
a foregone conclusion that Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills
is gonna run this division for the next ten years.
That's not gonna be the change. It's gonna be a
dog fight this division. It's gonna be a dog fight
this division. Between two teams, Oh for sure. Between between
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two teams, it's gonna always. It's gonna be always for
the next decade. It's gonna be the Patriots or the
goddamn Bills. I agree. Oh not your guppies. Who guppies?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Oh no, listen, listen, listen. The Dolphins and the Jets
are in the same boat. Then it's only because they
finish scrap. They finish scrapping and clean house too.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
They are oh joe. Bleacher Report ranks his five most
overrated quarterbacks. They named Lamar Jackson as the most overrated
quarterback in the NFL, said he may not just be
one today's most overrated active quarterbacks, but also of all time.
His two time MVP status is borderline fraudulent. His credentials
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don't measure up to other leisures who've won the award
on numerous occasions. Of the ten players that have joined
multiple MVP clubs during the Super Bowl era, Jackson is
the lone member without a Super Bowl ring. All The
others on that list include Johnny uniteds Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers,
Tom Brady, Brett Farb, Joe Montano, Steve Young, Kurt Warner,
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Patrick Mahomes were able to take their team to multiple
Super Bowl appearances and one at least once. Jackson has
yet to even reach the Big Game. He's three and
five lifetime in playoffs and has a three seventy five
postseason winning percentage that stands far away the worst among
multiple MVP winners. First of all, Steve Young did not
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take no team to multiple MVPs. He was a backup.
He took his team to one Super Bowl and he
did win it. That was in nineteen ninety four. He
threw six touchdowns in Miami to beat the Chargers. So
let's yeah, I like to give context. Steve Young did
not go to multiple Super Bowls now. Also, if I'm
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not mistaken, I think Earl Morrill didn't Earl Morrills start
one of those Super Bowl for the Coats. Oh, you
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had a two? Johnny United did the Earl? Yeah, Miami,
Johnny Johnny went to two two. Uh coach went went
to two Super Bowls. I know they beat the Cowboys
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on the field goal.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
There, Oh Johnny, Yeah, okay, okay, look.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I get it. Yes, and and oh Joe, we talked
about this. This is the the albatross. This is the
elephant in the room. You see the names that are
on this list that of one multiple MVPs, Lamar is
the only one that hasn't been to a Super Bowl.
That's not to say, oh Joe, his career is not
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ending tomorrow, but everybody jumped on me when I said
his career will be looked at it as a disappointment
if he doesn't get to a Super Bowl considering what
he had accomplished. You basical it on what these other
guys see. You can't just look, well, he won two MVPs.
You got to look at the company that he's in.
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That's one two MVPs. Now you start looking at it,
you're like, well, damn, he has to get to one.
Aaron Rodgers went to one. He has to get to
at least one. And then we look at him totally different.
He gets the one and he wins it, we look
at him differently. Ojo, we just do.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, listen, I understand the company to
keep the fact that he's won two MVPs, the fact
that he's one of those MVPs, those that in the
chat that are listening, that are watching, you have to
understand that he's in a different CLEAs in the class
of his own, in a different class for that matter.
So when it comes to judging him, he judged based
off his his what he's not cam Padre's what's the
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world I'm looking for pep and the company his peers.
He judged based on his other peers that have want
MVP's as well, and most of them, if not all,
have been to a Super Bowl, whether they want a
Super Bowl or not, So he judg off of that.
But the whole overrated part is the part I don't like.
That's the part I don't like saying that he's overrated
because he hadn't gotten there yet when he's still playing
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and only a seventh maybe eighth year, I'm not sure
which one it is.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
It's ridiculous that nothing about Lamar's first year.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah, okay, but but nothing about Lamar Jackson and what
he brings to the table, what he brings to the NFL,
what he bring to the Baltimore Ravens in general and
giving them a chance and having him a contention every
goddamn year. Nothing about that is overrated. That's the part
I don't like. Now that is more to me, it's
more clickbait. There should be a differ, different title when
it comes to talk about the quarterbacks that have won
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MVPs and have been or won a Super Bowl. That
the title should be goddamn different, overrated, my goddamn mad.
Now that that's a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Let me ask your question. But when you looking at
him him, you but to here's the thing they're not seeing.
You're looking at him against his peers. They're looking at
him against his peers that have won two MVPs. So
when you look at him, look at the clans that
he's in. You compare him to my home boy two MVPs,
five super Bowl appearances, three wins. You're looking at Peyton
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Manning five MVPs, three super Bowl appearances, two wins. You
look at Tom Brake, move on, you look at Yeah,
you look at brand Fat. How about how about this?
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Everybody on that list, everybody on the list except one person,
is already done and not playing any correct. Everybody on
the list is done and not playing. So how about
we wait until he's done playing, and then we justify
whether he belongs in that company or not, or whether
he's overrated or not. And even if he doesn't go
to a goddamned super Bowl, what he's going to continue
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to do the resume that he's gonna put together whether
he wins three more MVPs and doesn't make a goddamn
super Bowl or not, nothing about Lamar Jackson is overrated.
I know the fact that the way we judge quarterbacks
is based on wins and losses and rings and hardware
and all that, But when it comes down to the
nitty gritty where you're talking to people that played the game,
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forget forget the media, forget the pundits, forget those that
never played the game. Nothing about young bull out of
goddamned Pompino, who played for Boy and Beach High School
is overrated. Whether he has a goddamn ring or not,
he will still go down as one of the best, the
best quarterbacks that ever play this goddamn game. How do
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we judge Damn Marino? Do we say Damn Marinos not
winning the great because.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
G R E. A. T. Great. Now if we add
s t one of the greatests, a's what he's going for.
You see, you said something very interesting and this is
and this is actually true. Only quarterbacks getting measured by
wins and Super Bowl, no other, no other position. Super
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Bowls matter, right, not like they do for a quarterback
because oh cho, even when when Brady wasn't putting up
numbers like Peyton Manning, they said he was better than
Manning because what did he have that Manning didn't? Championships?
Think about it now, Peyton Manning had won multiple multiple MVPs.
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Brady had three Super Bowls. Manning had three regular season MVPs.
They say, well, Brady's better because Brady has as you
was pointing to your fingers, that's how they, Oh, I
don't sit the rules. You see what happened with ring culture.
You see what is it done? It'll make people jump
around and go try to find the best situation where
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they can win a ring, and then they shut you up,
and it's like, okay, I've already done what I needed
to do.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Now they no more argument and no more argument at
that point, Especially when it comes to basketball, you have
those that that that have to chase the ring because
of ring culture in the rules, the unwritten rules. Matter
of fact, how about that the unwritten rules? Because who
the hell came.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Up with it? I don't know. Because they were saying,
they were saying Jordan was better than Magic, and Magic
had five rings. They were saying, but Jordan was better
than Bird, and Bird had three m vps in three rings.
He had, he's the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs.
You gotta go all the way back to wild. So
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what has happened is that now I give you another one.
The next couple of years, people gonna say s Shelle
way A Tani is the greatest basketball player we've ever seen.
He's got four m He's got him unanimously, He's got
two super he got two World Series wings, O Joe.
He had one of the great postseason performers where he
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struck out ten and hit three home runs. Now he
messed around and get another one and win another World Series?
Who we who? What? We?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Who?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
What we gonna compare him to because we with for
MVP unanimously.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
So you see, once you start and Barry Barnes was
so great, even everybody that played against him, said that
is the greatest player that I've ever seen. Greg Maddick said, well,
it was it really easy to pick the Barry if
it mattered you walked him. He said, his job was
to get twenty seven hours. You ain'tn't get him on him,
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So pick the other eight guys to get and figure
and figure it out. So when you look at oo, look,
it's hard to say a man a man like Lamar
And maybe you're right, maybe overrated is a harsh turn.
But I think if we they're looking they're looking at
it as the ten guys that have something that no
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other guys have, and that is think about the NFL
going on, hold.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
On, stay with me, staying me real quick. Now, So
if we if we talk about hard right and hardware,
hardware puts quarterbacks in a different and different in a
different year where we're not just great great is So
are we saying like Ben Rothlisberger belongs in that tier two?
Are we saying Russell Wilson also belongs in that tier two?
When we talk about quarterbacks that are the greatest because
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they no no no.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
No no no no no no no no no no
no no. But here's the thing, oh Joe, None of
these none of those guys have regular season MVPs. Okay,
oh so they're okay, there there, there's.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
So we can't we can't, we can't move.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Let me ask your question. Has anybody ever said Ben
Roethlisberger's greater than Tom Brady? Peyton Manning. No, So, when
you so, when you look at it, and so when
you when you look at it, you have to have
regular season MVPs. That does matter. Now when you when
you start getting postseason MVPs, that means you won the
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Super Bowl. See you see Brady Brady Brady has three
regular season MVPs. He has seven Super Bowls and five
Super Bowl MVPs. So no matter what criteria you use,
it's gonna be hard for somebody to overtake him unless
my homeboy gets five MVPs. It's let's just say, for
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the sake of art, we have a compelling case. If
my homeboy Mahon boys not even thirty. I think he
just turned thirty, yes, so, and and the thing, he
just turned thirty. So when you look at it, oh Joe,
I think that is the thing. They're they're comparing him
in this elite category elite, which is guys that have
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won multiple m vps. It ain't that many quarterbacks. That's
one two, what is it? Uninis Manning, Rogers, Brady Farv Montana,
Young Warner, mahme, it's nine. Lamar makes ten. Yeah, he's
the only one that's never been to a super Bowl. Now,
if he doesn't get to a super Bowl, what are
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they gonna say? Ojo? Be honest, you know what they're
gonna say.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know what
they're gonna say. We know what they're gonna say. But
I listen, huh, I know what they're gonna say. But
I know what. My eyes haven't seen all he is,
I've seen.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Let me do you one better. They say, guys that
got super Bowl rings at the receiver position better than
Ojo because Ocho ain't got no rings. But you run
circles around them on the field. You see how they did?
See how they did? You see you see how they
did that?
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Yeah, I got you, I got listen, I'm with you
when you're right now, I'm picking up what saying. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
So now, so just imagine they do that for the receipt.
So imagine if a quarterback that's what I said.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Oh yeah, it's even, it's even, it's even worse. It's
even worse. Now. I hate that it's like that. I
hate that it's like that. It's it's somewhat of an
unwritten rule just like the unrul of hockey when it
comes to fighting, just like the unwritten unwritten rule in baseball.
Like I understand it. I hate that it's like that
hey ring culture when it comes to talking basketball, it
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just does. Yeah, it matters, but that that's just the
way it is. But I mean, it is what it is.
I think I think with the way obviously they didn't
they didn't, they didn't have a good year, a good
start through the year. They obviously they still the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. But I think they're gonna win
the division. I think they're gonna get a they're gonna
get a home game.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
I think they're gonna wint about the division. So what about?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
So what you think? What you think we're gonna do?
Speaker 1 (50:55):
So you could do nothing?
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Hold on, hold on, I'll tell you what I know.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
I tell you what this is.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
I'm very serious tonight. I'm very serious to night. But
I'll tell you this, I will give you guys a
division if we lose to the Steelers, which I doubt
we do. If we lose to the Steelers, I say,
you guys are probably gonna win the division at that point.
But if we go in there and we beat the Steelers,
that momentum, I tell you, I tell you what, that
momentum the rest of the season is gonna be hell.
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I don't I don't give two you know what to
drop the dried up pigeon, you know what on concrete?
How bad our defense is that momentum? Offensively? Man, man, listen, man,
I don't know. It's gonna be tough. Now we if
we if we lose to the Steelers, I mean, that's it.
It's a rat.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
I mean our seasons.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
And so that's that's that's the thing, because you know,
you look at Lamar and it's it's tough because in
his era mm hm uh, he got my homes. There
are a lot of quarters. There are a lot of
people that's gonna get overlooked, just like they got overlooked.
Ben didn't get the credit he deserves. Drew Brees didn't
(52:05):
get the credit that they deserve. Because why they played
in the era with Smack Dawn, with Peyton Manning and
Tom Brady and you're talking about guys that got eight
regular season MVPs and ten no, hell no, Tom is
nine and twelve super Bowl appearances with nine wins.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah. God, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
Man's crazy.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
And it's you know, it's so funny too, is is
we've been spoiled. We've been spoiled, whether the Peyton Mannings
and and then the Tom Brady's and the Patrick Mahomes
and the Joe Montown And people don't understand how difficult
that Aaron Rodgers the breadthat they don't understand Beren Rogers
all these quarterbacks and it's thirty two teams. It's thirty
(52:57):
two teams and it's only a handful of quarterbacks in
each hand Yeah, almost over thirty years that are Tier
one quarterback.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
That just lets people know how difficult that position is
and how special those are that are in those conversations.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
That we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
And the fact that Lamar's name is in those conversations
and went into NVPS and those unwritten rules kind of
give you like, augh, he's not really there yet until
he does this. So he got, he got to get there.
I'm not sure when it's gonna happen, but it's gonna
happen before his career.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yes, my bad. Tom has ten super Bowl appearances. God
damn he has ten. Oh that's crit lost to Eli
twice and lost to a Nick Foles. Yes, or the
trick of the Philly Special. Yeah, oh Joe. Now here's
(53:57):
the next five that had Lamar number one, had Jeorde
Love number two, Justin Herbert number three, Dak Prescott number four,
Trevor Lawrence number five. Nowh Trevor Lawrence. Need to be
with Lamar? Is? I will put Lamar down there. If
you're gonna put the you're gonna put Lamar on his list.
I'm gonna put him down at five, right man, Trevor Lawrenen,
Trevor Lawrence. Man, I don't think Justin Herbert is overrated.
(54:21):
Let's see now that he has Jim Harbaugh, the one
thing we know about Jim Harbor. Yeah, he gonna win.
Mm hmm. They're gonna play like stand out defense and
he gets. He gonna get to a super Bowl. I'm
not gonna say it's gonna beat this year.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yeah, but he definitely he definitely gonna get he getting
there and listen and and the way Justin Herbert is
playing this year too. Man, Justin Herbert is throwing at
absolutely he Quentin john It is Quentin Johnston Quinston Quinton
Quentin mm hmm. Man Young Bull, Young Bull got his
confidence playing extremely well. That Darius McConkey playing extremely well.
(55:09):
Keenan Allen, that veteran presence in that locker room playing
extremely well.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
So they're.
Speaker 3 (55:17):
Right now. I forgot about Rondie Gass in the second
catching hell of that ball being a Marion Hampton. I
think he's coming back. He's coming back on the back
on the back end of the season.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
I think he.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
I think he's gonna be back off injury. They they
gonna make a nice little run. They're gonna make a nice.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Absolutely will uh. George Love, George Loves gonna have he
gonna have to get better, man, George Love's gonna have
to be better. I don't know if somebody hasn't got
in his ear and talk about, bro, you got to
push the ball down the field. Man. You make too
much money. You make too much money to be to
be missing these throws like and I'm not saying you're
gonna make every You're not gonna make every throw. I
(55:53):
get that, I understand, And I'm not trying to minimize
playing that position because that's a position I couldn't play
very But come on, bro, that's why they play. The
more you get paid, the more expected, the more expectation
and a bird that is placed on you. That's just
that's just the rules of engagement.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Hey, can you imagine? Can you imagine being responsible not
only for a team, but playing the most important position
on the field. The ball is in your hands the most.
They paying you fifty fifty five million dollars a year.
Matter of fact, forget a year, they paying you fifty
fifty five million dollars in six months, six months. And
(56:33):
I need, I need you to carry this franchise. Man,
you talk about pressure. I know, it's the game of football.
It's what we've all done since we were four years old.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
But man, man, yeah, but look, I'm with you, Ojo.
I believe Lamar Jackson is going to get to a
super Bowl, and once he gets there and he wins it,
it's over.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
Hey, get that monk, get that monkey off my back
so I can go play freely. Please, thank you.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
You see, think about it. I give your problem. Example,
Lebron James had two m vps, but he had never
hadn't gotten to the finals. He had two lost two,
and then all of a sudden he he won, got
that monkey off his back. Yeah, it was you miss right,
and let Lamar get this thing, get the monkey off
(57:24):
his back. He might get the mike double you up,
go back to back?
Speaker 3 (57:28):
Jack, Yeah, hey, I got one question too, now that
we're talking about those hundred rules, especially in these conversations
when it comes to quarterbacks and m vps, it was
it was just on my well, well, it's kind of
different because Jayleen Hurst, Jayla Hurst has a Super Bowl
MVP and a ring, so he's not in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
These are only are the only guys in the Super
Bowl that had at least too regularly the MVPs. Right, okay, okay,
there are nine guys. Lamar make the tenth. Lamar is
the only one that hasn't appeared any Super Bowl. And
think about it, Peyton Manning never went back to back.
Tom and Tom, Joe and Mahomes are the only ones
(58:14):
to go back to back of the group that right,
Peyton didn't go to back to back Super Bowls. Yeah,
Kurt didn't. Kurt went ninety nine, we won two thousand.
They went in two thousand and one, and then he
went again with Arizona, I think, And what was that
two thousand and eight? I think it was two thousand
(58:36):
and eight because two thousand and nine was New Orleans
two thousand what do you call him? Because seven was
the Giants, eight was the Steelers, nine, nine was yeah,
nine was New Orleans. Ten was the Giants again, yeah,
eleven was the Packers. Yeah, h yeah, eleven was the Packers,
(59:03):
twelve for the Seahawks. Oh man, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
I'm just I was just, you know, just just going.
But like I said, o, yo, once he gives that
monkey off his back.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
Oh Joe, Yeah, yeah, you're gonna be fine. A and
that that ship hard. I'm gonna go cause we've been
on this thing.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
About because you know why it's hard, because they say
there's nothing like a game seven. Well, in the NFL,
there's every game is a game seven. Every game, every game,
wild card game is game seven, Divisional round game seven,
Conference Final game seven, super Bowl game seven. Football, you
(59:44):
play a game seven every time you step on the
field in the playoffs in football.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Matter of fact, four weeks yes, four weeks of game
four weeks of game seven yes, and you gotta mustard
up and play your football. You got to play your
best football.
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That link is pinned in the chat, Oh Joe. The
Patriots looked offul impressive. They beat the Jets twenty seven fourteen.
(02:51):
I don't know they looked impressive. The Jets aren't good,
but the Patriots look good. I mean those first couple
of drives. Drake May with Brady esque, I'm talking yes,
even nice Stefan Diggs bill and reinvigorated. He looks good.
Henderson is running extremely hard. Uh two touchdowns on the ground,
one in the air. Drake May twenty five thirty four
(03:13):
to two eighty one one touchdowns. I thought, overall, I
thought they played well. Uh but who let's let's let's
before we get to the Jets, let's highlight the Patriots.
O Joe, Yeah, Okay, okay, Mike Rabel has done an
unbelievable job. You go, you go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Hell of a job, hell of a job. Listen, Mike Rabel.
I'm not sure what he did once he got there,
but he's done one hell of a job. Obviously. It
makes things much easier when you have a quarterback that's
playing out of his mind and only his second year
in Drake May. In the Division, they three and oero. Obviously,
the talk has always been the super the supposed to
go to the Super Bowl. This is their year. The
(03:51):
Buffalo Bills. They're two and two in the division. The
goddamn the Patriots have dominated all season long. Being ninety two.
This is something I wasn't expecting. Being being the fan
of the game of football that I am, I didn't
think they would be this good. They have been really,
really well. And because of the quarterback play, obviously, the
supporting cast defense is played well. Stefan Diggs is playing
out of his mind. He's playing out of his mind
(04:13):
even playing very very good football. Matt Collins out there
making plays, Douglas doing well, doing well as well. And
Trayvon Henon is it Trayvon Henderson? Am I saying that right?
Trayvon Henderson, trebon man? Listen, but young Bull, nice boy,
young young Bull is really young bull, real nice. He's
one of the few running backs to on on on
(04:33):
on the field that can hit his head off the
goal post. Play with Okay, he got he got speed,
got speed to burn. So man, they look really good.
They look really good tonight man. And on defense, hey
that got a that God damn. Christian Gonzales.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
He nice, oh he he fluid, Hey, listen, he nice.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
He needs I know he's been injured a little bit,
but he needs to be in the conversation of top
five dbs.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Especially Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you know PS PS
two Stingley Jr. Him, Yeah, you know, those those are
those are your top I guess people like JE Horn,
some people like J. C. Horn, But I think I
think Gonzale, I think PS two and I think uh
uh Stingley Jr. I think those are the top three
(05:18):
corners in my book because they all present very very
very different now, Gonzales and and PS two kind of
they got kind of similar body types. Their tall angular
uh Stingley is a little bit more compact, probably a
little bit a little more a little because a little
probably a little stronger because of the way he the
way he's built. But if you look at the way
(05:40):
PS two and the way he glides, he and Gonzales
have a very very similar game. Yeah. Yeah, Trivia on
heresy had two Russian one in their uh one. Yeah
they threw him one. Uh. But yeah, this is this
is oh Jo. This is a very good team. They're
very well coached. And now you see why that after
one year miss the crafts Like you know what, Gerard,
(06:01):
I really hate to pull the plug this quick, but
this coach is proven, uh and it's too good to
pass up. And if we don't do this now, there's
a good guess.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Be going somewhere else. Yeah, he'd be going somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Else because if you think about it. The Falcons interviewed
Mike Brabel Mike McDonald at Seattle. They interviewed like more
guys that are doing extremely well right now, and they
settled on the right course and right he's gonna have
to get this thing. He's gonna have to get this
thing turned around. But just watching New England, they don't
(06:35):
beat themselves. I know, you know, Raber doesn't really mention
a whole lot, but I think he took a whole
lot playing under coach Belichick. The matter of rhythm that
he's not as he's not his stoic on the sideline.
He's waiting to give his guys high five coming off
the field. He's waiting to hug his guys. You watch
him in the hallway, Oho, when they're coming off the
field after Big Rick victory, he's hugging everybody. Hey, come on,
(06:57):
get in here, come on, let's go. Let's And he's
a guy I would love to play for. He's the
type of guy that you loved, you love to play
for because he ain't go sugarcoat it now, Oh Joe,
you know exactly where you stay with Mike Rabel. Yes, sir, o.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Joy, take you time, Take it time.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I tweeted a little bit, but I just say I
just stopped tweeting because people, you know, I think, like man,
you pick it on the guy. But at some point
in time, Oh Joe, I'm not so sure Justin Fields
is gonna ever be what a lot of people thought
he would become. Oh, Joe, let me give you some
of these stats. He was three four eleven he got
injured in the fourth quarter for twenty seven yards. He
(07:40):
played the entire game Incos, he was nine of seventeen
for forty five yards. He played the entire game. Against
the Carolina Panthers, he was six or twelve for forty
six yards and lost to Cleveland. He was six of
eleven for fifty four yards and forty two of your
those yards came on a screenplay bad tonight. Yeah. Before
(08:02):
the final drive he had seventy five yards passing. Yes, sir,
I think A d Mitchell left his hands in Indy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Hey, oh listen, listen now. Now he ended the game
with seventy five.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yards, right, No, he had one hundred and sixteen. But
before that, before the final drive, he got forty one
of the white sixteen. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
So, So one of the things that I do want
to say before before we pile on Justin Field, I
want to I want to talk about some of the
drop passes Ady Mitchell. Two big plays. They played two
big players in the first half before half you got
the had those go ball. Yeah, it's oh man, you
got to have that. Hey, it's perfect though outside showing away.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
From the can't ask for anything more than that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
O joe, you got to have that's that's perfect red line.
You pull that in, then the wheel route up. You know,
adjust yourself, slow down a little bit. You know, if perfect,
perfect ball outside shoulder, dB has no way to make
a play, has no way to make a plan. You
got to have that. So though those are those are
passes that you got to help your quarterback out. Sometime
(09:11):
you got to help your quarterback. And that's why the
sash looked like look the way they look. Sometimes that
dropped past.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
He had he had a couple of drop but there
was a couple O joe, he had AD and AD
probably would have dropped it, but he had him on.
He had him on the head. That's a simple pitching catch.
Oh he threw a wi he threw you put that
on that because here's the thing, the dB is probably retreating.
You put that on him. Now, get to face you up.
(09:37):
There's a chance I can make you miss at least
at least I caught it at five and bare minimum Ojo,
I'm gonna get a first down. I might make you
missing yet even more, I'm like, justin to start the game.
You can't because what do we always say, O Joe,
give me something. I just want to get my hand.
I just want to touch the ball. Let me touch it.
Gotta give me nothing sophisticated. Just let me catch it.
(10:00):
Let me catch ah, let me catch a shallow cross.
I just want to touch the ball. You give it
to them early? You got me late? Yeah? Justin? How
how on a on a on a five yard hitch route?
You miss a got that far outside?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Mm hmm and listen. And that that goes for the
quarterback too. Most of the time, some quarterbacks they don't
want to come out with anything. Want they want some short.
They want a nice little checkdown to get themselves in
a rhythm, you know, to get a feeling for the
game and not not really chase the game, but allow
the game to come to them. And and that's that's
what you want. You want to slant, you want to hit,
you want some want some you know, short. But I
(10:37):
think I think right now, I'm not sure. With as
bad as the Jets are, everyone around justin fields has
to be almost they have, yet they have to raise
their level of play. They got to raise their level
of play to catch up or to make sure they
can overcome for Justine's mistakes or his lack of confidence.
(10:57):
Right now, you have to that. That's what you need.
You you that kind of dog out there. And he didn't.
He didn't play to night. I think I think Garrett
was ir right now. So's he's gonna miss the next
now three games after the night and and and then boy,
they got the musterd up, they got the mustard up.
You know those that are there, John John Michie made
some made some plays John Messy. I'm sorry, I might
(11:19):
apologize Messi. He made some plays to night. Tight end,
you know, little chuck down play.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
But that's yeah, you gotta have that catch, that tight
end on the fourth down. You gotta hold that one.
You got the first down, and you're getting hard because
you take it so long to blit the ball to
you the guys to bring it in.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, he knocked it down. But outside of that, man,
listen the gests that they if they didn't play that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Bad, they didn't they really just couldn't get off the
field in that first half, oh, Jo, They couldn't get
off the field. Yeah. I mean they get him in third,
they get him in third and four, third and five,
they get a first down, they get him in third
and ten, they get a first down. They just could
not get off the field. And and I'm like, okay,
they rush three, they rush four, they bring pressure, and
they still didn't get there. I'm like, well, damn, how difficult.
(12:07):
I mean, man, how difficult is it? And you you're right?
And I think a lot of times the drops maybe
that that messes with with with Justin Field's confidence because
he's like, well, am I doing something? What am I
doing wrong? Because he'll throw one terrible and then he'll
drop a dime, he'll throw two terrible, and he'll throw
another dime. He had he had ad Mitchell again him
to go. He had gone out as an ass with
(12:28):
the ball. I thought he's playing pin the tail and
a donkey. I said, with damn he comes out in
the ass.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
He was. And that's the thing. When you get a
guy beat down there on Joe, you know you're already
struggling as an offense. You can't miss what I tweeted.
I said Mitchell you're not that good offensively to oh,
you're not that good of a team to overcome those
kind of mistakes. That's a flat out draw. And they're not.
And you're saying, okay, you get a guy like Justin
(13:02):
Fields and he's struggling. But they don't have the receivers.
They don't have a Chase or Jeda or one of
these top flight receivers that could over a couple of them.
They need more than one. They need a couple of
a couple of them that can elevate them. They and
I just, I just.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It sucks. It sucks. It sucks. And listen, not not
only that they're not playing well, they let two of
the best players on d SHO obviously got you got
you got players for them, so you would hope those
players that you got in the trade can step up
and and and and and play the part. And obviously
it's it's eighty it's eighties, first week, this is first
year two right, this is the first game.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Is there the first time he caught the path? Is there?
The first time he read around? I mean, I mean
you say, no matter where you go, wherever, you play
right right.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Right, right right right, like I'm not listening. I'm not
making no excuse me for him. You have to you
have to make those plays. You have to.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
You got to and with justin fields excuse me, Garrett
Wilson out. It's supposed to be the best receiver because
the cost. They had high expectations until you got into
Shane Steiken's dog house with that fumble. It was never
the same after that. Now, maybe there was something going on,
Maybe that was the final straw that broke the Campbell's
back on Joe, But from that point on.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It was the same nome.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
But I just don't know how you throw for twenty
seven yards in a game, you throw for forty five
yards in a game, you throw for forty six yards
in the game, you throw for fifty four yards in
a game, and you throw for one hundred and sixteen
and forty one of that came on the final drive.
I just don't know how you move on and become
and become what people thought you were going to become
(14:43):
when they took you at the top draft pick. Now
you know, I think you were fifteen to sixteen something
like that on Joe. I just don't see the consistency.
I don't see I don't see him. One two, check
it down one two three out of bounds one two gone.
I don't see that. And you know, as a quarterback
(15:05):
the really good ones. Yes, back foot here, Okay, I'm
dropping back. I know the play, Oh Joe, I'm dropping back.
Already gone through it. Okay, we've gone through it through
the course of the week. Cover one we go here,
Cover two we go there, Quarters we go here, Cover
five we go there, Scott Siks, we already know. So
when you back it up, the sect has already told
(15:26):
you what it's doue single high safety. Oh I know,
I'm going right now. Oh he's covered. Let me let
me see what two wheels it's two there. Okay, let
me take this check down. Oh Joe, Yeah, see it
seems like it's like he got a dial up service.
He ain't got that. By g they say they got something.
They got teng Off in China say, hey, you cut
the Boneum already gone to what you're looking for?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, yeah, most definitely. I think the fact that also
with the offensive line not not playing as well as
they should be, he's rushing everything a little bit, not
being able to go through his progression and understand listen
pre snap. Okay, I'm seeing what they're doing. And once
that ball snaps, you know, obviously you want you want that.
You want that head straight down the field, not giving
(16:07):
anything away and not having the time to be able
to go through his read and progression. I think he
speeds things up and hurry's throws. He rushes throws to
Herbie getting the ball out of his hands too.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, I mean, okay, I'm looking at against Buffalo. He
averaged two point five yards of the temp against the Broncos,
two point six yards per attempt against Carolina, three point
eight yards per attempt against Cleveland four point nine yards attempts.
That's not even a running back average squat. If he's
doing that, right, imagine if you're a quarterback and that's
(16:37):
what your yard per attempt did, that is horrible.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, it's bad. But also you know, also, you know
what else, It also comes down to the weapons around you.
It also it also comes down to what do you have,
what is your supporting cast? Like now you take a
Justin Fields here hypothetically speaking, right, so you keep the
same and you put a Jamar Chase. So you put
(17:02):
a Justin Jefferson, you put a T. Higgins or you
put any of the top tier, top tier receivers on
that team together. Yeah, snow one in the one or
one or one in a one or a decent a
decent two. Yeah, Hey, it looked completely different because they
can overcome for all the woes that justin fields may
(17:22):
be having. They can overcome all that the small stuff.
You got Jamar Chase, crazy ass could take a goddamn
slant and the goddamn hitch eighty yards. You got T
Higgins any ball you throw to him, which was considered
for most receivers fifty to fifty. Hell with him, it's
ninety ten. Like small stuff like that, where you have
players that that can elevate their play to overcome for
(17:46):
your your shortcomings, it makes things easier. But they just
don't have that. Therefore, everybody else has to raise their
level to play, and damn there be perfect and that
that's the issue. That's the issue.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
They have to look at the guys that you just mentioned,
they had their best seasons. If you think about it,
what do the guys do really well? Process information really
really quickly. Oh yeah, go back and look at Joe. Now,
go back and look at Joe Flacco. It doesn't even
look like Chase is falling off because Joe Flacco backfoot here.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I'm going to it as cousins, Sam Donald, You couldn't
care who's in there with Jella because they process information
quickly you And that is the number one thing.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
How well do you download information? And how quickly can
you disseminate it? I don't care. I don't care what
you got. I don't care what I got, but leg
you got? Can you Hey, if I put that information
on Joe, how soon can you spit it back out? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And the funny thing about it is not only being
able to process it, not only being able to spit
it out, but you know what makes it even easier
the motherfucker you're throwing but.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Easier. But see, now you got me? Okay, I run
a hitch route, Now you gonna got me? Well, do
I need to slide? Do I need to slide? Because
I'm anticipating because I don't know where it's gonna be.
I know normally I'm gonna get a hitch. I will
get it in the framework of my body, Ojo, because
he's not gonna be under pressure because it's one, two three, boom,
balls out, so he's not gonna be up under pressure.
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So I think I'm gonna get the ball somewhere in here,
here here, not out here. Yeah, So it makes it difficult.
It's like sometimes when you're dealing with a mobile quarterback,
it's hard to adjust to them Ojoe because I run
my route and next thing I know, he wear the
crowd screaming. I'm like, damn, what happened? He way over there?
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I'm like, what, Dad. So it's hard when your quarterback
is inconsistent. I don't give a damn what the receiver is.
You want some consistency at that that position, but you
want somebody that can digest information. The holch put the
put it in, and he spit it right back out
in the form of getting the ball out of his hand.
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I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong, But I
just don't know if he's ever gonna be what many
thought he would be, especially when you look at the
game that he had against who did you play against Clemson?
You look at that game and he had against Clemson,
and he was sensational. Yeah and and and I was like, okay,
now playing with those guys that he had alive and
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Garrett Wilson and all those guys. We understand, see see,
but you didn't realize once you get to the NFL,
the likelihood of you having five receivers that are five
stars or or be that type of guy that the
likelihood is not very good. Yeah. Does he have a Chase? No?
Does he have a Jetta? Does he have any of
the top top receivers. No?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Not. Now what I will say, Now, what I will say,
he does have Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Now, Garrett Wilson, who was who had a phenomenal who
had a phenomenal rookie year.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
With facts that if you look at him, O Joe,
if you look at him, if you just put him
on paper and you say, look at what was throwing
the Garrett Wilson when he won Offensive Rookie of the Year,
and you look at what's throwing the Garrett Wilson. Now
if you just look on just hey, you're like man
with Justin Fields. He about to go and he played
with him in college.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, I mean I mean, listen, jud
Garrett Wilson is a phenomenal talent. Nothing should taper off
when you have a talent like that it's so easy
when you look at what they're able to do with
Devonte Adams and and pooping the cop hell JSN And
obviously I don't think the Jets offensive coordinator has that
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kind of creativity to put in you and Justin Justin Field,
to use Garrett Wilson in the right type of way
to create those mismatches like the other team.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I can give you all the nice ingredients, I won't,
but if you got can't cook, what the hell have
I done. I spent a whole lot of money on
going great foods, great ingredients, and I know you can't
make a dish with it. It comes down to it.
Oh Joe, you're really good. Go look at Chopped and
the Iron Chef and they get these they get these people. Okay,
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I'm gonna give you chocolate. I'm gonna give you onions.
I'm gonna give you stone crabs. And I'm like, how
did you even think of this? Yes? But you give somebody,
you give them all. Okay, I'm gonna give you steak.
I'm gonna give you this. I'm gonna give you that,
And You're like, what I'm what I'm supposed to make?
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I just I hope I'm wrong, chat, I really do,
But I just I just and I've seen him and
I've watched him. Now, this man has gone through three
head coaches and probably four offensive coordinators. And I'm not
and and and and and and sometimes you get lucky
and you get to you get a Sean mcvail, or
you get a Kyle shan a hand but I just don't.
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I just don't know it, because at the end of
the day, the quarterback position is all about process and
information and then and spitting in the back out. That's
what it comes down to, it is. I mean, I
don't care how good, how big your arm is, I
don't care how fast your legs are. Can you process it?
O choe mm hmmm, Because that's that's a whole different bay,
because not only make you process, you gotta realize they
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got they got fight that on most occasions they got
four guys that's really trying to tear your damn head off.
Oh so you got you in fear for your life.
But also you gotta calm yourself down and says you
know what, one to check down, one to throw it
out of bounds, one to if that I'm out.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, mhm, it's all. It's all about that.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Maybe maybe maybe put him in, maybe put him in
hurry up the game, because it seems like, you know,
when he's in hurry up, he's better. Yeah. Yeah, and
then fumble. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Unless that that's on the set. That's on the center too,
that's on the city. Come on, now, that's the NFL.
Now put the put put the snap at the It
should be the snap. The snap should come in the
same area every single time you go through your dog.
I mean like, come on now, come on, center, don't
don't at that.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Don't do that.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I love man that the ball hit it, the ball
hit his ankles.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But you know what, it's just that, you know, take that,
take that, Take that away. They got three points out
of there. Give the defense credit because I thought the
defense gave up one touchdowns and two field goals in
the second half. Yeah, they did force the three and
out on the on the first possession of the second half,
which is kudos. Uh. You know, you see, I think
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the Jets won the toss and they took the ball.
They drove the ball right down the field, something they
don't normally don't do.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It normally ends in a punt or or turnover and
they drove the ball. I think they had the ball
like fourteen plays and drove the ball and punched it
in the end zone. But I just, Lord Hope, I'm wrong,
But I just, I just I just don't see where
he's ever gonna be more than what he is. I
don't think he's ever gonna be turning to what and
that's what. And that's okay because everybody ain't gonna be
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a Lamar Jackson. Everybody's not gonna be Josh Allon or
Patrick Mahome. But I mean, I think if the Jets
could be okay, if he was just like middle of
the road, you just can't be you can't be the
bottom tier. I'm not saying you got to be top tier,
but I mean, if we got that kind of if
we got Chad you can see this, if we got
this much face, can you be somewhere.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
In here and not be down here in the middle, right?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Can we get that? O? Joe? Mm hmm. You know
it all?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
You know what else? It all comes down to not
only all not only all the intangibles and all the
all the nuances that we're talking about. But unless you
got confidence, hut, ain't nothing happening. You got to be
able to play with confidence. You have to be able
to play with confidence and and everything that you do.
And one of the most important positions, damn, quarterback is
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the most important, absolutely the most the most because if.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You don't believe your your your body language, yeah, your
aura is gonna say if you don't believe, I don't
believe either. M hmm. I mean, if you don't trust
your skill, why you won't me. That's why you used
to get in the car that joke somebody built. But
the seatbelt fast the seatbelt, Hell, I faster, mind you
do something I don't so you can building you. I've
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been around quarterbacks when they walk into the huddle. You know,
they do you the confidence that you know what the
hell you do.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
It exactly, exactly exactly. I hope, I hope they get
it together. I'm not sure what direction they're gonna go in,
but the way they've started so far and letting the
soft go and letting go oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
I wait, listen, but who are you Gonna're gonna're gonna
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start over.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
With the court.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, I believe, So you're gonna start with, So you're
gonna draft another one. You're gonna draft it, I believe so.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Or I mean, I don't know if there's any any
quarterbacks that's gonna become available. Uh yeah, probably Sam Donald
didn't want any parts of New York again, which I
wouldn't blame him, you know. Uh, but look, I mean
every day seemed like I hear a story about somebody
that played there having an interaction with the owner, and
it's never positive and it's never good, right Yeah, And uh,
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with that situation, I hope ag gets at least three years,
because it's not like you had to have a powerful
roster begin with. And now you stripped him of his
two best defensive players, so he got to get at
least two years. And without a quarterback, you can give
him five years. And he's still not gonna get it
done because you're not. It's hard, it's damn near impossible.
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And I know, ja well, y'all did it in twenty
two thousands with the raid with Trend Dilfer. They don't
allow you to play football like that. You don't play
football like that anymore. The rules are different. So no, Hey,
there's nobody winning another Super Bowl like we won it
or like Tampa won it in O two. You're not
because they won't allow you to play defense like that.
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Your quarterback is gonna have to stand in the pocket
and he's gonna have to make plays throwing the f
and football. Yeah, he's gonna be able to use his
legs to get out of harm's way some but he's
gonna have to be able to throw the football. The
days of oh, we got to kill a defense and
we're gonna run the ball. No, you're not. No, No,
you're not.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You're not. You're not gonna. You're not gonna win very
many games like that because once the team gets ahead
on you, once the team gets ahead on you ten
fourteen points.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
And you can't run your way back into a game.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Absolute.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Let me ask you this, O Joe, do you like
Kyler Murray because I believe there's I believe there's gonna
be a separation of church in state in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Uh huh, Yeah, most definitely. Because I think Kyler Murray
is healthy. I think me personally, I think he's healthy.
But they're continuing to want to go with the Kobe
Brissett based on how he look and how the offense
moved with him, you know, the few weeks he's been
in Uh, if they do part ways with him, I'm
sure Kyler Murray will be somewhere.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Else next year for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
How how would it look over in New York I'm
not sure. I'm not sure if if it's a fit.
It all depends on AG. Obviously. Outside of AG, you
you got to go to the higher powers and see
if that's all yeah, they want to look into or
do you want to go into the draft?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Now?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
When you when you think about some of the quarterbacks
coming into the draft, you know this year, is there
a franchise altering quarterback that can come in there and
change the franchise. I haven't seen anything like that this year.
There have been some that have played good, but nothing
that just blows you out the water, like you know,
with that guy, we got to have him.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I haven't seen that. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I haven't seen it. So we'll see how this plays out.
O Jo Mike Rable was apparently very close to landing
the Jets job before the Patriot job Open Reporter Connor
heugh e'splaying that New York England hadn't fired Girard Mail
following its four and thirteen season. He believed Brabil would
have been the helm of the New York right now,
and truthfully, he was interested in the Jets as the
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Jets were interested in him. If the Patriot's job hadn't opened,
I genuinely believed that Brabil would have been going to
take the job. They wanted Mike Brabel more than anything else.
So that's when he was the only way to take
the Patriots job. They made the last second call. Is
anything we can do to give you the job full control,
more money? What do you want more? What more can
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we do to change your mind? O Jo? Yeah, if
you interviewed him, you should have. He should have never
left your building. You should have.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Hey, listen, you got to do that. You got to understand,
you got to understand a coach like that, which is
why mister Crabb did with Yes, this is why mister
Crabb did. He understood, he understood the assignmon ain't nowhere
in hell we have a quarterback. I think he just
had the right person in charge, you know, with a
little structure, with a little discipline, that can then and
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instill that Patriot way, you know. Graw Mayo I think
was well capable of doing so. They just didn't play
well for Grawd Mayo for for whatever reason, I don't know,
but the team looked completely different under the tutelage of goddamn.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Micro different teams.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Hey don't I don't know why, but listen. I don't
think Mike Raby would have had success in New York anyway.
He wouldn't have had success. Hell, if you're gonna have success,
if you couldn't do it in Tennessee, you damn she
won't be.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Able to do in New York. I think I think
Tennessee got with him prematurely. That's what I think. I
think the thing you don't listen today, like he and
and and the owners started butting head you know, you
know A and yeah, and uh, you know, I guarantee
she wish she had Mike Brabel. Now she's finding out.
(31:52):
She's finding out the hard way. Yes, she's finding out
the hard way. I think the thing is like when
you're when you're in that type of position, you're in
ownership and you're a leadership, the one thing you can't
be is impulsive, get mad, you fired. You can't do it,
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even though sometimes I understand that you want you might
want to. You're never working this industry again, right, Brabel
had I mean think about it. And then they they
they they let Derrick Henry go and they ended up
trading A J. Brown.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yes, listen, horrible decision by A J. Wanted out, but
they were making horrible decisions.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
They would.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah that that too, but the trade was to try
and better they team. Let's see what we can get
for him and see if we can improve our team.
They drafted brother Trailing.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Burks, who was supposed to I think got my chemra
cut off.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, I mean that that that didn't pan out. That
didn't pan out too well. So, I mean it's just
they've been making some bad business decisions when it comes
to not only players, but the coaches. Yes, the coaches,
well you have you have a super Bowl winning coach
that knows what it takes to win. He knows how
to bill a team, obviously coming from the New Way,
the page Away, coming from England. You know what I
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have the formula, I know what it takes. It's not
gonna be the snap of a finger. And you can't
just take money and throw money at it. I need
time now and with that time, I need you to
give me a quarterback. If you give me a quarterback,
I'll take care.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Of the rest.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
He goes New England. He has a quarterback. Okay, you
know what, Now we set we have a franchise quarterback
for the next ten to fifteen years. Now, mister Kraft,
let me, let me do the rest. Let me do
the rest. So what we see from the Patriots right now,
we finish, see this for the next ten.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Twelve fifty for sure, because the one thing that you
know about mister Kraft is that he'll get he'll step
out of the way. Yeah, step out of the way. Now.
Do I think he has more in common with Brabel
than he did Coach Belichick? Yes, I do. I think
I think under normal circumstances, mister Craft and Coach Belichick
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probably with have butted heads. But in a situation like
where we're in, O Joe, I'm gonna hey, I'm mining
goal and we're still finding it. Yeah, and now if
Brabel takes that job and they can entice Sam Donald
to come back, because I do think Sam Donald says, Okay,
here's a coach that has control. I ain't got to
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I don't gotta worry about ownership. I ain't got to
worry about no general manager. Mike Brabel got controlled. I'm
not saying he has as much control, but I believe
who's the general manager didn't he didn't didn't the general
manager come back with Brabel? Yeah, because at the end
of the day, O Joe, some people take jobs, and
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I'm just happy to have a job. They ain't got
no sale over to fifty three, they got no silver
fifty free agency. They ain't got no say over to Drayt. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
That that's hard. That's hard. That's hard to be a coach.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Or was he already there? I know you got great.
Brabel more than likely has sale over fifty three and
has some say draft because he knows what he wants.
He knows the type of player, he knows the system
that he's trying to run. He knows the type of
player that he needs to fit set. That's why Coach
Belichick a lot of times when he drafted players, he
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wouldn't work them out himself, but he needed to talk
to because the thing is, you can't have a big
ego and play for coach Belichick because you say, what
do Nah, you gotta leave your ego at home, because see,
if you check it at the door, you might anybody
to look and go back and get it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Nah, that ain't gonna work. No, that it ain't gonna
matter of fact, it's it's not gonna work with Rabel,
absolutely not. Hey, look, hey, hold on, what's the first
thing we said about Stephan Diggs. What's the first thing
everyone says about Stefan Diggs. Well, hell, he looks like
a whole different person. He seemed like a whole different person. No,
thats just when you walk in that door in New England,
and just something about that atmosphere. They always talk about
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the Patriot Way, and so I can't explain it.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I was there.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
It's just the the or the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Just you you.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Check yourself down.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
The standard is the standard automatically.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You just do it.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Is that your sound on my sound not? Can you
speak of that? Your mind was moving? I hear nothing.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Oh, my bad, My bad, My bad. You know you
know I be talking so goddamn fast man, My bad.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, but uh man, I look, the Patriot's gonna be
good for a long time. And what we thought was
a foregone conclusion that Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills
is gonna run this division for the next ten years.
That's not gonna be the change. It's gonna be a
dog fight this division. It's gonna be a dog fight
this division. Between two teams, Oh for sure. Between between
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two teams, it's gonna always. It's gonna be always for
the next decade. It's gonna be the Patriots or the
goddamn Bills. I agree. Oh not your guppies. Who guppies?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Oh no, listen, listen, listen. The Dolphins and the Jets
are in the same boat. Then it's only because they
finish scrap. They finish scrapping and clean house too.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
They are oh joe. Bleacher Report ranks his five most
overrated quarterbacks. They named Lamar Jackson as the most overrated
quarterback in the NFL, said he may not just be
one today's most overrated active quarterbacks, but also of all time.
His two time MVP status is borderline fraudulent. His credentials
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don't measure up to other leisures who've won the award
on numerous occasions. Of the ten players that have joined
multiple MVP clubs during the Super Bowl era, Jackson is
the lone member without a Super Bowl ring. All The
others on that list include Johnny uniteds Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers,
Tom Brady, Brett Farb, Joe Montano, Steve Young, Kurt Warner,
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Patrick Mahomes were able to take their team to multiple
Super Bowl appearances and one at least once. Jackson has
yet to even reach the Big Game. He's three and
five lifetime in playoffs and has a three seventy five
postseason winning percentage that stands far away the worst among
multiple MVP winners. First of all, Steve Young did not
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take no team to multiple MVPs. He was a backup.
He took his team to one Super Bowl and he
did win it. That was in nineteen ninety four. He
threw six touchdowns in Miami to beat the Chargers. So
let's yeah, I like to give context. Steve Young did
not go to multiple Super Bowls now. Also, if I'm
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not mistaken, I think Earl Morrill didn't Earl Morrills start
one of those Super Bowl for the Coats. Oh, you
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had a two? Johnny United did the Earl? Yeah, Miami,
Johnny Johnny went to two two. Uh coach went went
to two Super Bowls. I know they beat the Cowboys
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on the field goal.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
There, Oh Johnny, Yeah, okay, okay, look.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I get it. Yes, and and oh Joe, we talked
about this. This is the the albatross. This is the
elephant in the room. You see the names that are
on this list that of one multiple MVPs, Lamar is
the only one that hasn't been to a Super Bowl.
That's not to say, oh Joe, his career is not
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ending tomorrow, but everybody jumped on me when I said
his career will be looked at it as a disappointment
if he doesn't get to a Super Bowl considering what
he had accomplished. You basical it on what these other
guys see. You can't just look, well, he won two MVPs.
You got to look at the company that he's in.
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That's one two MVPs. Now you start looking at it,
you're like, well, damn, he has to get to one.
Aaron Rodgers went to one. He has to get to
at least one. And then we look at him totally different.
He gets the one and he wins it, we look
at him differently. Ojo, we just do.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, listen, I understand the company to
keep the fact that he's won two MVPs, the fact
that he's one of those MVPs, those that in the
chat that are listening, that are watching, you have to
understand that he's in a different CLEAs in the class
of his own, in a different class for that matter.
So when it comes to judging him, he judged based
off his his what he's not cam Padre's what's the
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world I'm looking for pep and the company his peers.
He judged based on his other peers that have want
MVP's as well, and most of them, if not all,
have been to a Super Bowl, whether they want a
Super Bowl or not, So he judg off of that.
But the whole overrated part is the part I don't like.
That's the part I don't like saying that he's overrated
because he hadn't gotten there yet when he's still playing
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and only a seventh maybe eighth year, I'm not sure
which one it is.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
It's ridiculous that nothing about Lamar's first year.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah, okay, but but nothing about Lamar Jackson and what
he brings to the table, what he brings to the NFL,
what he bring to the Baltimore Ravens in general and
giving them a chance and having him a contention every
goddamn year. Nothing about that is overrated. That's the part
I don't like. Now that is more to me, it's
more clickbait. There should be a differ, different title when
it comes to talk about the quarterbacks that have won
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MVPs and have been or won a Super Bowl. That
the title should be goddamn different, overrated, my goddamn mad.
Now that that's a bunch of bullshit.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Let me ask your question. But when you looking at
him him, you but to here's the thing they're not seeing.
You're looking at him against his peers. They're looking at
him against his peers that have won two MVPs. So
when you look at him, look at the clans that
he's in. You compare him to my home boy two MVPs,
five super Bowl appearances, three wins. You're looking at Peyton
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Manning five MVPs, three super Bowl appearances, two wins. You
look at Tom Brake, move on, you look at Yeah,
you look at brand Fat. How about how about this?
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Everybody on that list, everybody on the list except one person,
is already done and not playing any correct. Everybody on
the list is done and not playing. So how about
we wait until he's done playing, and then we justify
whether he belongs in that company or not, or whether
he's overrated or not. And even if he doesn't go
to a goddamned super Bowl, what he's going to continue
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to do the resume that he's gonna put together whether
he wins three more MVPs and doesn't make a goddamn
super Bowl or not, nothing about Lamar Jackson is overrated.
I know the fact that the way we judge quarterbacks
is based on wins and losses and rings and hardware
and all that, But when it comes down to the
nitty gritty where you're talking to people that played the game,
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forget forget the media, forget the pundits, forget those that
never played the game. Nothing about young bull out of
goddamned Pompino, who played for Boy and Beach High School
is overrated. Whether he has a goddamn ring or not,
he will still go down as one of the best, the
best quarterbacks that ever play this goddamn game. How do
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we judge Damn Marino? Do we say Damn Marinos not
winning the great because.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
G R E. A. T. Great. Now if we add
s t one of the greatests, a's what he's going for.
You see, you said something very interesting and this is
and this is actually true. Only quarterbacks getting measured by
wins and Super Bowl, no other, no other position. Super
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Bowls matter, right, not like they do for a quarterback
because oh cho, even when when Brady wasn't putting up
numbers like Peyton Manning, they said he was better than
Manning because what did he have that Manning didn't? Championships?
Think about it now, Peyton Manning had won multiple multiple MVPs.
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Brady had three Super Bowls. Manning had three regular season MVPs.
They say, well, Brady's better because Brady has as you
was pointing to your fingers, that's how they, Oh, I
don't sit the rules. You see what happened with ring culture.
You see what is it done? It'll make people jump
around and go try to find the best situation where
(45:05):
they can win a ring, and then they shut you up,
and it's like, okay, I've already done what I needed
to do.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Now they no more argument and no more argument at
that point, Especially when it comes to basketball, you have
those that that that have to chase the ring because
of ring culture in the rules, the unwritten rules. Matter
of fact, how about that the unwritten rules? Because who
the hell came.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Up with it? I don't know. Because they were saying,
they were saying Jordan was better than Magic, and Magic
had five rings. They were saying, but Jordan was better
than Bird, and Bird had three m vps in three rings.
He had, he's the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs.
You gotta go all the way back to wild. So
(45:47):
what has happened is that now I give you another one.
The next couple of years, people gonna say s Shelle
way A Tani is the greatest basketball player we've ever seen.
He's got four m He's got him unanimously, He's got
two super he got two World Series wings, O Joe.
He had one of the great postseason performers where he
(46:09):
struck out ten and hit three home runs. Now he
messed around and get another one and win another World Series?
Who we who? What? We?
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Who?
Speaker 1 (46:18):
What we gonna compare him to because we with for
MVP unanimously.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
So you see, once you start and Barry Barnes was
so great, even everybody that played against him, said that
is the greatest player that I've ever seen. Greg Maddick said, well,
it was it really easy to pick the Barry if
it mattered you walked him. He said, his job was
to get twenty seven hours. You ain'tn't get him on him,
(46:51):
So pick the other eight guys to get and figure
and figure it out. So when you look at oo, look,
it's hard to say a man a man like Lamar
And maybe you're right, maybe overrated is a harsh turn.
But I think if we they're looking they're looking at
it as the ten guys that have something that no
(47:13):
other guys have, and that is think about the NFL
going on, hold.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
On, stay with me, staying me real quick. Now, So
if we if we talk about hard right and hardware,
hardware puts quarterbacks in a different and different in a
different year where we're not just great great is So
are we saying like Ben Rothlisberger belongs in that tier two?
Are we saying Russell Wilson also belongs in that tier two?
When we talk about quarterbacks that are the greatest because
(47:38):
they no no no.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
No no no no no no no no no no
no no. But here's the thing, oh Joe, None of
these none of those guys have regular season MVPs. Okay,
oh so they're okay, there there, there's.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
So we can't we can't, we can't move.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Let me ask your question. Has anybody ever said Ben
Roethlisberger's greater than Tom Brady? Peyton Manning. No, So, when
you so, when you look at it, and so when
you when you look at it, you have to have
regular season MVPs. That does matter. Now when you when
you start getting postseason MVPs, that means you won the
(48:17):
Super Bowl. See you see Brady Brady Brady has three
regular season MVPs. He has seven Super Bowls and five
Super Bowl MVPs. So no matter what criteria you use,
it's gonna be hard for somebody to overtake him unless
my homeboy gets five MVPs. It's let's just say, for
(48:40):
the sake of art, we have a compelling case. If
my homeboy Mahon boys not even thirty. I think he
just turned thirty, yes, so, and and the thing, he
just turned thirty. So when you look at it, oh Joe,
I think that is the thing. They're they're comparing him
in this elite category elite, which is guys that have
(49:01):
won multiple m vps. It ain't that many quarterbacks. That's
one two, what is it? Uninis Manning, Rogers, Brady Farv Montana,
Young Warner, mahme, it's nine. Lamar makes ten. Yeah, he's
the only one that's never been to a super Bowl. Now,
if he doesn't get to a super Bowl, what are
(49:23):
they gonna say? Ojo? Be honest, you know what they're
gonna say.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know what
they're gonna say. We know what they're gonna say. But
I listen, huh, I know what they're gonna say. But
I know what. My eyes haven't seen all he is,
I've seen.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Let me do you one better. They say, guys that
got super Bowl rings at the receiver position better than
Ojo because Ocho ain't got no rings. But you run
circles around them on the field. You see how they did?
See how they did? You see you see how they
did that?
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Yeah, I got you, I got listen, I'm with you
when you're right now, I'm picking up what saying. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
So now, so just imagine they do that for the receipt.
So imagine if a quarterback that's what I said.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Oh yeah, it's even, it's even, it's even worse. It's
even worse. Now. I hate that it's like that. I
hate that it's like that. It's it's somewhat of an
unwritten rule just like the unrul of hockey when it
comes to fighting, just like the unwritten unwritten rule in baseball.
Like I understand it. I hate that it's like that
hey ring culture when it comes to talking basketball, it
(50:27):
just does. Yeah, it matters, but that that's just the
way it is. But I mean, it is what it is.
I think I think with the way obviously they didn't
they didn't, they didn't have a good year, a good
start through the year. They obviously they still the Ravens.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. But I think they're gonna win
the division. I think they're gonna get a they're gonna
get a home game.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
I think they're gonna wint about the division. So what about?
Speaker 3 (50:53):
So what you think? What you think we're gonna do?
Speaker 1 (50:55):
So you could do nothing?
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Hold on, hold on, I'll tell you what I know.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
I tell you what this is.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
I'm very serious tonight. I'm very serious to night. But
I'll tell you this, I will give you guys a
division if we lose to the Steelers, which I doubt
we do. If we lose to the Steelers, I say,
you guys are probably gonna win the division at that point.
But if we go in there and we beat the Steelers,
that momentum, I tell you, I tell you what, that
momentum the rest of the season is gonna be hell.
(51:21):
I don't I don't give two you know what to
drop the dried up pigeon, you know what on concrete?
How bad our defense is that momentum? Offensively? Man, man, listen, man,
I don't know. It's gonna be tough. Now we if
we if we lose to the Steelers, I mean, that's it.
It's a rat.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
I mean our seasons.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
And so that's that's that's the thing, because you know,
you look at Lamar and it's it's tough because in
his era mm hm uh, he got my homes. There
are a lot of quarters. There are a lot of
people that's gonna get overlooked, just like they got overlooked.
Ben didn't get the credit he deserves. Drew Brees didn't
(52:05):
get the credit that they deserve. Because why they played
in the era with Smack Dawn, with Peyton Manning and
Tom Brady and you're talking about guys that got eight
regular season MVPs and ten no, hell no, Tom is
nine and twelve super Bowl appearances with nine wins.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah. God, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
Man's crazy.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
And it's you know, it's so funny too, is is
we've been spoiled. We've been spoiled, whether the Peyton Mannings
and and then the Tom Brady's and the Patrick Mahomes
and the Joe Montown And people don't understand how difficult
that Aaron Rodgers the breadthat they don't understand Beren Rogers
all these quarterbacks and it's thirty two teams. It's thirty
(52:57):
two teams and it's only a handful of quarterbacks in
each hand Yeah, almost over thirty years that are Tier
one quarterback.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
That just lets people know how difficult that position is
and how special those are that are in those conversations.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
That we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
And the fact that Lamar's name is in those conversations
and went into NVPS and those unwritten rules kind of
give you like, augh, he's not really there yet until
he does this. So he got, he got to get there.
I'm not sure when it's gonna happen, but it's gonna
happen before his career.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yes, my bad. Tom has ten super Bowl appearances. God
damn he has ten. Oh that's crit lost to Eli
twice and lost to a Nick Foles. Yes, or the
trick of the Philly Special. Yeah, oh Joe. Now here's
(53:57):
the next five that had Lamar number one, had Jeorde
Love number two, Justin Herbert number three, Dak Prescott number four,
Trevor Lawrence number five. Nowh Trevor Lawrence. Need to be
with Lamar? Is? I will put Lamar down there. If
you're gonna put the you're gonna put Lamar on his list.
I'm gonna put him down at five, right man, Trevor Lawrenen,
Trevor Lawrence. Man, I don't think Justin Herbert is overrated.
(54:21):
Let's see now that he has Jim Harbaugh, the one
thing we know about Jim Harbor. Yeah, he gonna win.
Mm hmm. They're gonna play like stand out defense and
he gets. He gonna get to a super Bowl. I'm
not gonna say it's gonna beat this year.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yeah, but he definitely he definitely gonna get he getting
there and listen and and the way Justin Herbert is
playing this year too. Man, Justin Herbert is throwing at
absolutely he Quentin john It is Quentin Johnston Quinston Quinton
Quentin mm hmm. Man Young Bull, Young Bull got his
confidence playing extremely well. That Darius McConkey playing extremely well.
(55:09):
Keenan Allen, that veteran presence in that locker room playing
extremely well.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
So they're.
Speaker 3 (55:17):
Right now. I forgot about Rondie Gass in the second
catching hell of that ball being a Marion Hampton. I
think he's coming back. He's coming back on the back
on the back end of the season.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
I think he.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
I think he's gonna be back off injury. They they
gonna make a nice little run. They're gonna make a nice.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Absolutely will uh. George Love, George Loves gonna have he
gonna have to get better, man, George Love's gonna have
to be better. I don't know if somebody hasn't got
in his ear and talk about, bro, you got to
push the ball down the field. Man. You make too
much money. You make too much money to be to
be missing these throws like and I'm not saying you're
gonna make every You're not gonna make every throw. I
(55:53):
get that, I understand, And I'm not trying to minimize
playing that position because that's a position I couldn't play
very But come on, bro, that's why they play. The
more you get paid, the more expected, the more expectation
and a bird that is placed on you. That's just
that's just the rules of engagement.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Hey, can you imagine? Can you imagine being responsible not
only for a team, but playing the most important position
on the field. The ball is in your hands the most.
They paying you fifty fifty five million dollars a year.
Matter of fact, forget a year, they paying you fifty
fifty five million dollars in six months, six months. And
(56:33):
I need, I need you to carry this franchise. Man,
you talk about pressure. I know, it's the game of football.
It's what we've all done since we were four years old.
Speaker 1 (56:43):
But man, man, yeah, but look, I'm with you, Ojo.
I believe Lamar Jackson is going to get to a
super Bowl, and once he gets there and he wins it,
it's over.
Speaker 3 (57:00):
Hey, get that monk, get that monkey off my back
so I can go play freely. Please, thank you.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
You see, think about it. I give your problem. Example,
Lebron James had two m vps, but he had never
hadn't gotten to the finals. He had two lost two,
and then all of a sudden he he won, got
that monkey off his back. Yeah, it was you miss right,
and let Lamar get this thing, get the monkey off
(57:24):
his back. He might get the mike double you up,
go back to back?
Speaker 3 (57:28):
Jack, Yeah, hey, I got one question too, now that
we're talking about those hundred rules, especially in these conversations
when it comes to quarterbacks and m vps, it was
it was just on my well, well, it's kind of
different because Jayleen Hurst, Jayla Hurst has a Super Bowl
MVP and a ring, so he's not in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
These are only are the only guys in the Super
Bowl that had at least too regularly the MVPs. Right, okay, okay,
there are nine guys. Lamar make the tenth. Lamar is
the only one that hasn't appeared any Super Bowl. And
think about it, Peyton Manning never went back to back.
Tom and Tom, Joe and Mahomes are the only ones
(58:14):
to go back to back of the group that right,
Peyton didn't go to back to back Super Bowls. Yeah,
Kurt didn't. Kurt went ninety nine, we won two thousand.
They went in two thousand and one, and then he
went again with Arizona, I think, And what was that
two thousand and eight? I think it was two thousand
(58:36):
and eight because two thousand and nine was New Orleans
two thousand what do you call him? Because seven was
the Giants, eight was the Steelers, nine, nine was yeah,
nine was New Orleans. Ten was the Giants again, yeah,
eleven was the Packers. Yeah, h yeah, eleven was the Packers,
(59:03):
twelve for the Seahawks. Oh man, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
I'm just I was just, you know, just just going.
But like I said, o, yo, once he gives that
monkey off his back.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
Oh Joe, Yeah, yeah, you're gonna be fine. A and
that that ship hard. I'm gonna go cause we've been
on this thing.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
About because you know why it's hard, because they say
there's nothing like a game seven. Well, in the NFL,
there's every game is a game seven. Every game, every game,
wild card game is game seven, Divisional round game seven,
Conference Final game seven, super Bowl game seven. Football, you
(59:44):
play a game seven every time you step on the
field in the playoffs in football.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Matter of fact, four weeks yes, four weeks of game
four weeks of game seven yes, and you gotta mustard
up and play your football. You got to play your
best football.
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