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game that you just watched. The Eagles defeat the Lions
by the score of sixteen to nine.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Oh Joe.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Me, personally, I think that was a horrible passing affairs call.
That is a play on because.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
You know it could have win either way. But I
don't thinking that. I don't.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
I personally don't think it was a PI. Oh yes, En,
I don't, but that's being said.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
The Eagles win this.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
They moved to eight and two with a sixteen to
nine victory and the Liars dropped.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Sixty four. Oh Joe.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
We're gonna talk about this a little later, but there
was a meeting between AJ Brown and the owner of
Jeffrey Lourie. Who'll talk about that, So I'll chatting didn't
happen because you know, y'all gonna get mad at Ocho
and I for talking about it. Y'all gonna say it
didn't happen, although everybody has reported that it had happened.
You keep telling Ojo and I there's nothing going on,
But normally players and owners don't have closed door meetings.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's no.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I never had a close I did once I was retired.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
But anyway, oh Jo, the Eagles did what they needed
to do.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Jalen Hurst was fourteen to twenty eight, one hundred and
thirty five yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions. Again, he didn't
turn the ball over. He had one fumber, but they
ended up recovering it. Sa Quan was twenty six of
eighty three, nothing to write home about. Forty rush attempts
one hundred and forty eight yards. The wind was gusting,
I think probably excess of third forty miles an hour,
which made it just go. And knowing what you know,

(06:04):
having played in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, where a win
swirls and it gets hard, you know points are gonna
bring at a premium. And we know how Dan Campbell is.
He's very aggressive, But I thought the Knight didn't call
for aggressiveness because points were gonna be at a premium,
and it wasn't gonna be a ballgame ojo, where you're
gonna get thirty one, twenty eight, thirty five, thirty four
or something like that. So points were gonna be at

(06:25):
a premium. But what did you like about what you
saw from I.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Mean, listen, they were resilient. Huh, they were resilient. They
obviously they weren't carried by the offense. The offense did
just enough. Aj Brown had had somewhat of a down
night eleven target had eleven targets, he cost seven of those.
He had forty nine yards. I mean Sae Kuan, you know,
had twenty six carried for eighty three yards. But the
defense dominated. The defense dominated. The fact that as explosive

(06:52):
as the Detroit Lions offense is, I mean, they were
held in check. They were held in check. Golf golfer
fourteen to thirty seven, he had one TV, he had
an interception. They were able to help hold Gibbs sonic
is Gibbs sonic? Hey listen, it was a hold in
twelve carried for thirty nine yards. Uh no, yeah, yeah,

(07:13):
wait hold on, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah yeah, but he got it in the past, so
he got if you look at Ojoe, he had one
hundred and seven yards receiving five carries, five catches. So
he got it. He got his yard from scrimmage. He
just didn't get him the way we conventionally.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but that God damn that that goddamn
Eagle's defense on for them, boy, and play some goddamn balls,
especially that front four. Jordan Davis had him, had him
at night to night.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Jay. How many balls did they bat down on Joe?

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Five, six, seven, Maybe, if I'm not mistake, maybe about
seven eight, maybe about seven and eight.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Cause Jordan Davis, I think I saw him get three.
Carter got three, got two, ninety seven got well. I
mean every time I turn around it it's fussed, so
fussbrating cause you know you.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Like, oh I got it, damn.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Matter of fact, listen, and all it is is just
being able to disengage. If you can't get to the quarterback,
use your eyes, use your eyes, hold your hold, your
hold the off of the player out and and play
the passing lane. Play the passing lane, which with your
hands and you know, wash the quarterback's eyes. And it worked,
It worked wonderfully. Jalen Phillips had had a sack to
night and listen in the back end, they played very

(08:21):
well as well, They played really really good. I mean, honestly,
it was a boring game. It was it was somewhat
of a boring game. There was a boring game. The
elements played a factor in that. But but but I
enjoyed it and the fact that offensively the Eagles didn't
look to par as we like them to look. But

(08:42):
they still got the most important stat They got the W.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
That's what they do. They're not I mean, they don't
you know. There have been times they need to score
thirty five and they score thirty five. Sometimes they need
to score ten, they score ten. They do what is
necessary to win, and they don't put themselves in arms way.
I just felt that Campbell was rolling the dice a
little bit too early, too soon. There are times that
you know, punt the ball away and pin them down,

(09:08):
make them go, don't give them a short feel. Golf
turned the ball over early, got and I think they
got three points out of that. But Detroit, they better
get home field because anybody they could potentially play, unless
it's the Rams gonna they're gonna probably be outside of
and the conditions, you know what the conditions are there

(09:28):
in January, they're gonna probably.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Be like this, maybe even worse.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
So you don't know because when you when you look
at the schedule, Let's see, Philly is the one seed,
probably only gonna get one team out of that division.
Green Bay Chicago, those are two teams that could possibly
get in. Guess what, ojoe. The weather is bad there,
so Philly is bad. The Rams Seattle, Seattle, you know,

(09:57):
Seattle is terrible. Although they lost today, we'll talk about them.
But I just thought, you look, it's a lot. It's tough.
I can just imagine because Jalen has an answer questions
not about Detroit but about AJ, and it is it's
starting to buy, like, man, I want to focus on Detroit.

(10:17):
Ask me something about Detroit. And it's hard because they're
making a conscious effort. They're putting plays in the game
plan to make me I ain't going through my progression.
Throw the AJ, throw the AJ. And that got Golf
into trouble because Golf had the time, had to tie
in on the shallow cross.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
But he's looking for row.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
What happens on you a lot of times when the
tight end blocks, they're taught unless the guy that is
covering him, man, unless he's green dogging. He's taught. Okay,
start looking for crosses, start looking. And so what happened
is that he blocked. The linebacker is not green dogg
which means he's not a pressing, so he starts looking
and dropping the coverage. He comes on the shallow cross

(10:59):
but by but he's looking at Army Rod because he'd
already made his mind up where he's going with the
football and it's hard to undo that. And you see J.
Mctgomery is Montgomery is jumping up in them down there
in the middle of field like I'm open. The tight
end was Scott free. Uh you see golf playing with

(11:21):
gloves on. But I think it just got frustrated because
he had some opportunities and then they backed the ball
right back down in his face like we were playing
beast volleyball.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
And it's it's tough. It was frustrating to watch.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
But look, the Eagles are gonna Look the Eagles, They're
not gonna win style points and winning is This is
not gymnastics. This is not swimming, you know, platform diving
or anything like that where subjective. No, this is about
wins and losses, and how do we get the win
is unimportant. The most important thing is that we got
the win, not how we got it.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Is that got it and that's what the Eagles. That's
what the Eagles do, O Joe. The Eagles win.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
It ain't pretty, It's not pretty. And the one thing
it's also when I'm thinking about a game like this,
I'm thinking how Dan Campbell's thinking. In a sense, you
know what I'm gonna I'm gonna take some chances. I'm
gonna go forward on four down, then see if I
can get those points in premium due to the elements
and force the Eagles to play a different style of game,

(12:20):
forcing to play a different style of game and put
the pressure on them to be able to put points
up and keep up with us. To me, that that,
to me, that's the thinking and the way Dan Campbell
might have been thinking on how you wanted to play
this game. Let's get up early on them and forced
me to be able to throw the ball. Let's make
them uncomfortable, Let's do let's put them in a position
where they want to do something they don't want to do.

(12:41):
And that's the only tac of thing in the defense.
They stepped up to the challenge. They stepped into the
challenge and play it extremely well.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
If you got Laporta, I give you that because he's
a guy that can win against your linebackers, against your safeties.
So I'll give you that. But given what you're up against,
considering the elements, that probably seventeen points would win you
this ball game. The last thing you want to do
is give away, giveaway field position and let them get

(13:10):
easy points. If you Joe, if they drive the field
and they get a field they get a field goal,
or if they drive the field and they get a touchdown,
I can live with that, but I can't put them
on a short field and get Let them get one
field goal and now that excuse me, let them get
one first down and now they're in field goal range,
or even if they don't score, they're gonna have me
backed up. And so now I'm constantly trying to swim

(13:32):
up I feel like a sam And spawning season.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I feel like I'm swimming upstream and they're a lake
full of bears.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
They get full because they they got to eat all
they can because they're about to go into hibern nation.
And that's what happened to the Detroit is that they
gave the Eagles short feels and even when they didn't
score points, O Joe, it kept them backed up and
they just needed they just needed to start one. I mean,
they did a great job of stopping the touch push
and got it and got a short field, end up

(14:01):
getting a field goal out of it. Uh And but
like I said, it had been very interesting to see
if they don't call that PI call, can they go
down and get a touchdown? I put it like this,
I'm not putting no money that means something to me
that they're gonna go down and get a touchdown. You
might put some money on it that means something to

(14:22):
you that says, Okay, yeah, Detroit, Detroit's gonna go down
and get a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
You know what's funny is I don't I don't think
it would have made a difference. I don't think it
would have made a difference whether it was a pr
or not. I don't think they would have been able
to get that touchdown as well as the damn Eagles
play defense all night long, all four quarters. You know,
it looked like it looked like what it did, they
were able to they were able to get nine points.
Nine points. We talked, we talk about a ramp, it's

(14:46):
about the rams. We talk about a lion's team that's
that's able to score.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
You know, in bolth there's number two had scored the
average little bout a little almost thirty two months again.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
So for them to come out today, and I'm not
gonna blame the elements, I'm not gonna blame the weather,
you know a because both teams had to play exactly
and we've seen them play in cold weather before and
still be able to put up points, you know, at will.
So I think the Eagles they played on one hell
of a game on all three levels. On all three levels,

(15:15):
they were phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
And the thing is, oh Joe, But you know about
dome teams, there's a reason why dome teams don't go
to the Super Bowl unless they're and their own building.
Because when you have to go outside and you have
to normally late January, the weather's bad, you go to Philly,
or you go to Cincinnati, you go to Pittsburgh, you
go to Baltimore, you go to Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
If you're a.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Dome weather team, it's really not conducive normally you look
at the Rams. They got to the super Bowl house,
they had long field when they didn't have home field.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's tough.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I mean, the only warm weather team that I can
remember going on the road to get to the super
Bowl is Tampa is when they went on the road
to Philly and they beat Philly in Philly, and it
took a hercule effort from the d because the offense
really didn't do anything. Ronde Barbie ended up getting like
a ninety yard pick six something like that.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
But it's very tough.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
So Detroit got their work cut out for him if
they want to get to where they want to be,
and it's not going to be easy because I don't know,
if you notice, Chicago's playing really really well. That quarterback
is getting more and more comfortable hold on, and green
Bay has found a way to win. I was like,
I mean, sometimes I don't know. George loved you need

(16:27):
to realize he had to go to the tent because
all of a sudden, he like, I'm Derrick Henry, Why
oh no, you're not Until the ten he went and
ended up going inside until he figured out like noah, bro,
you can't, you.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Can't take shots. So you can't take shots on your shoulders.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
If you look at the Eagles, O Joe, they've beaten
the Lions, the Packers, the Vikings, the Bucks, the Rams,
and the Chiefs. With the exception of the Vikings, everybody
else theoretically still the playoff contentions. I mean maybe the
Vikings still are. But the Chiefs, although they're ninth in

(17:05):
the division that all you need takes to seven, they
still there the outside chance that they could, you know,
win the division. But the Rams, they're clearly in social
possession up because they beat the they beat today. So
to beat the Lions, to beat the Packers, to beat
the Bucks, to beat the Rams, to beat the Chiefs,
that's a good football team. Now, you're just not gonna

(17:26):
just go in there and Willie Nelly just just go
roll over them. So if you think that's what's gonna happen,
that ain't happening. They're too they're they're very well coached,
and I know a lot of people don't like their offense.
And Kevin Patula la la lah. They're not gonna beat themselves.
You're gonna have to beat them. Jerry god worst completion
percentage in a single game in his career o JO

(17:48):
thirty seven point eight percent tonight, the ninth lowest marked
by quarterback who has at least thirty five attempts since
two thousand and five.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
The Eagles defense.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Getting to get so basically, and so they had about
two hundred and seventy yards eight.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
You know, it's funny we have all this discourse and
all this talk about A. J. Brown and the offense
and it not living up to the standards and evolving
as an offense as opposed to what they did last year,
and Sequon really hasn't had a day yet what we're
used to seeing. I think at some point they will
hit they stride. At some point, I think things are

(18:34):
going to open up. That offense is going to change, especially,
I think it's gonna start clicking when it matters most.
Not only are they getting wins right now, they're getting
the wins ugly, but I think at some point maybe
that momentum or they catch fire at the right time
when it matters most. Now. I mean, obviously they're winning
games ugly. The defenses is carrying a load and probably

(18:58):
the main of the majority reason why they're winning. But
I think once the offense catches up to where the
defense is and maybe maybe just maybe just halfway, maybe
just halfway. I think they're gonna be a force director
with especially once once they get to the goddamn playoffs.
And there's a good chance if they keep playing like
them defensively, and if the offense gets any better or

(19:19):
any look more efficient, especially on the ground and the running,
they have a healthy balance of both. Man, it's gonna
be hell on, it's gonna be here.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
But we know at some point in time, one team
offense is gonna have their way with that defense, and
then the offense is gonna have to bail them out.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
We've seen it. We've seen it happen no matter what.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Everybody, everybody has a game in which if whatever your
strong suit is, you struggle and the other side of
the ball needs to bail you out. And it's normally
the side that has struggled. So the offense is really struggled,
but the defense has been exemplary. So what happens when
an offense, opposing team offense has their way with that
defense and I'm saying, you know, somehow they get you know,

(20:00):
twenty eight, get thirty one points. Now we're gonna need
cal lacks to go match that and go get thirty two,
get thirty three, get thirty four points. So we know
that game is coming. We don't know who's gonna be. Uh,
maybe it's the Cowboys, because the Cowboys, that's a division
rival game. Hey, you throw everything out of the window.

(20:20):
Don't look how bad the Cowboys are. I know the
Cowboys has played like some stir fright this year, but
against a division opponent, you throw every you throw, you
throw everything out of the window. But that was a
big win for the Eagles, eight and two on the season,
dropped the Lions to six and four with a score
of sixteen to nine. Jordan Davis Ojo end of the
night with three batted balls. He finished with the tie

(20:42):
for the league lead with six, so he had three.
Carter probably had two ninety seven I think I think
that's Hunt. I'm not mistaken had had one. But uh,
they won. They they played well. They they handled the
element the conditions better than Detroit did. Because you know, you,

(21:04):
how do I practice that, O Joe? I normally practice
him A don't. So they probably went outside.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
I'm sure Detroit right now it's colding Detroit. Yeah, and
knowing and knowing, hey, listen, knowing Dan Campbell to get
them ready for the elements and what you're gonna have
to I mean, what is going to be like on Sunday.
We're gonna practice outside Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Before the game, reports came out from ESPN. Salm Pelantonio,
the guy that knows all things Eagles. He's been covering
the Eagles for probably forty years. Aj Brown met with
Eagles on a Jeffrey Lowie during practice last week to
hash out Brown's public frustration over his rolling Phillies offense.
During the ten minute meeting, Brown promised Lourie that he
would stop complaining on social media. Brown told Lourie that

(21:47):
he just wants to be a part of an offense
and it's frustrated. All right, yall ay Eagle fan, me
and Ojo, they know what we're talking about. We just
making stuff up.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Now. How many times?

Speaker 1 (21:59):
How many are how many times have you ever heard
of Jeffrey Lewie, He's on this team for two decades.
Met with a player about something that he was posting
on social media, Met with a player about his role
in the offense, his rolling the defense.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
This is ay chat. This is only for Ego fans.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I don't want anybody else to chime in because O,
Joe and I were just doing this for clicks. Mainly
you up because Oho Oho cool. We like Oho, but
it's mainly you. So Eagles fans, I want y'all to
tell me the time that your owner has met with
a previous player over his role in the offense or
the defense.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
I'm gonna give you a couple of minutes to chime
in now.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
And like I said, Oho, I understood from the beginning.
My only thing was, I said, AJ, is just that
when you do this publicly and.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Winning, and you say your goal is to win and
you're winning, the fans.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Of not gonna look at it like man, I want
to be involved because I want to take this offense
to the next level. They're gonna look at it as
you can plain again being selfish because you're not getting stacked.
That's how it's gonna be. So my thing was just
keep it behind closed doors. I mean, and he probably
kept it behind closed.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
All this stuff until you open the door.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
And all absolutely. And the funny thing about it too
is you know what I think. I think he's had
those conversations behind closed doors. I think he's those conversations
with Jalen I think he's had those conversations with coach
Sirianni and might have. He might have because this has
been going on since last year. It's been going on
since last year, So I think the conversations have already
been had and he hasn't been heard because nothing has changed.

(23:46):
Nothing has changed.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
But what J. A. J.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Brown has to understand this offense is run a certain way.
It's always run a certain way. And the way that
they do it ja ja, Yeah, Jalen Hurst does not
put the ball in harm's way. He not gonna take
the chances like Annon Rodgers. He's not gonna take the
chance chances like a like a Brett fav or a
gun slinging quarterback. I'm gonna I'm gonna make the right reads,
I'm gonna do the right things with the ball, and

(24:09):
I'm not gonna put my team in harms way, in
harms way and have us behind the eight ball when
it comes to playing football. And that's just that's the
nature of the biggest in the way they do things.
And I think the Eagles like the kind of quarterback
that they do have. It's not pretty, it's not it's
not ecsthetically pleasing. He's not gonna go out there and
so for no. Four hundred five hundred yards, that's not
the offense. It doesn't ask for him to do that.

(24:31):
But when time come, when time's coming, you put him
in situations where he has to beat you with his arm.
We've seen him do it. Hell a lah. Last year
in the Super Bowl, they weren't allowing saying to get
Diddley Diddley squad. What did he do? He used his
arm and he won the game. This year, things don't
look like it should. They're not able to run the ball. Hell,

(24:53):
they're not even throwing the ball. Well, they get in
his first, but what are they doing They being carried
by the defense. That's why I think that's at some
point the roles are gonna reverse. It's gonna be a game,
just like you said, with a defense, they gonna get had.
They're gonna be a team that's gonna be able to
take advantage of them. And if funny thing about it,
you think about the teams that have the opportunity or
have a chance to put up multiple points and have

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an offensive scoring high volume output.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
You think about the.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Chiefs, they beat the Chiefs here. You think about the
Lions tonight they scoring twenty seven to twenty eight, almost
thirty eight games. Not yet, it's gonna be a team
you least expected. It's gonna be a team you least expected.
And they gonna have they goddamn weaight, and it's gonna
it gonna come time. Well, Jaylen Hurt's gonna have to
step up and even gonna beat you with your arm
or Sakung gonna do what you do on the ground

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like he did last year that he hasn't been able
to do yet this year.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
This offense is built to play with the lead because
of the way they play is running past. A lot
of teams pass the run, so Ojo, you afraid of
us throwing the football, So now you play coverage, we
can run into a light box. So the way the
Eagles are built, they're built to run. And then we're

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gonna pass. We're gonna dictate. You know, we're not gonna
let you dictate when we passed. But they normally pass
and it's third and short. We guess the Eagles in
trouble is when it's third and long and they're having
to pass in football. See when it's third and short.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Oh, Joe, you don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I can run it with Saquan, or I can use
Hurts legs, or I can do something quick screened the
Jalen screen to Davante quick something quick pop. But Goddard,
they get into trouble when you start to start thirty ten,
thirty twelve, that's when they get into trouble. And so

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they do a great job of knowing. That's where we're
vulnerable at staying out of situations like that. But give
them credit. They won tonight. Play the elements better. That's
what you have to do when you're at home, Ojoe. A.
We're in our environment with Eagles, we playing, we practice outside.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
And one problem I do have about watching the game
tonight the fact that I can steal. I don't play
for the Eagles. I don't play for the Eaglings, but
I watch a lot of football, and I watched the
Eagles all season long. Hell, I watched every guy damn team.
But the fact that I can tell you based on A. J.
Brown's alignment, I can tell you exact exactly where he's running,
that's not good. That that's not good because if I

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know it and I'm not watching film, I'm just watching
the games each and every Sunday. What do you think
those that are that are playing across from are doing.
He had eleven talk I think he had maybe eleven
targets or something like that. But it's the same stuff
over and over and over. If he lines up two
yards outside the number, if he's by yourself, he's running
the hitch. If he if he's if he's at the
top of hey, or the slam. If it's if it's

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two by two and Sweeney's on the side with him,
or the Titans on the side with him, he's off
the ball, he's running the slam. It's like the same thing.
If he if he's inside, he's running the quick out.
I mean, it's it's just or the stick, right, It's
just the same that there there's really no creativity. And
then putting it and put him on.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
The left hand side, Oh shoe. They like to throw
him the go ball on the your hand side. If
you know that on a lot of his goal balls
on the left ya side.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
I mean, so I understand. I understand his frustrations. Not
only is he not putting up the numbers he liked to,
but you know what's actually coming based on his alignment
and where he is route recognition, formation recognition and the Tennessees,
the tendencies are the same.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, oh Joe.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
The Ravens beat the Brian Browns by the score of
twenty three to sixteen. But what overshadowed that was should
door Sanders getting his first taste up and oh yeah,
Ash Dylan Gabriel got concussed in the third quarter and
went out of the ball game, excuse me, and did
not return.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Your door came in your door.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Stats was four of sixteen, forty seven yards, zero touchdown,
the interception.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
He had a couple opportunities laying the ball game. He
had a couple of drops. He had a couple of drops.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Look and uh listening to I found it on social
media for Kevin Stefanski to say the first time that
Shador Sanders had taken a snap with the starters, with
the ones with in this game his math practice. At
no point in time and this is what I said,
Oh Joe, So at no point in time. So you

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don't think Dylan Gabriel could possibly get hurt. He can't
possibly bring a knee bring a shoulder, get concussion. There's
no possible way anything could possibly.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Go wrong that you want to get should do it
like one reps with the ones, two reps with the ones.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
I ain't saying split it fifty. I understand that. But
even when John was taking the majority of the refs, John,
if we did ten reps in the period, the backup
would take two.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Just in case.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
So for Shador Sanders, the hell we are in weak Elambun.
The man got drafted in May and at no point
in time had he taken one snap with the ones.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
It's very very difficult, you know, hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on, look not not only is it disappointing, right,
and a lot of people say, hey, listen, you and
uncle we were you were screaming for your door to start.
You wanted to get in there and look at it.
Look at the stat line, look at look at what
he did. Well, obviously, I'm I'm I'm I'm confused, and
I'm trying to understand. Uh, this this ain't Madden.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
You don't just you don't just take out one quarterback
and put another quarterback in and expect success to happen,
especially when you haven't had any reps with the Ones.
When it comes to the play calling, When it comes
to the play calling, what play calls are you're going
to be able to call for a quarterback that hasn't
had any reps with the Ones? You don't know what
he does well, what he doesn't do? What he you

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don't know what he does well, you don't know what
he what?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
What?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
What he's not going to be good at because there's
there there's there's no chemistry, there's no chemistry. So you're
just out there calling plays all willy lilly, not knowing
how the offense can run. And I know, as a quarterback,
you're supposed to be You're supposed to be prepared. He's
supposed to know. You know, if the opportunity present this,
you got to be able to go in there and
do what you can do. But like, come on, no,

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no reps at all.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Let me ask you a question. No reps up, no,
but let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Normally on Saturday, Dylan, on Sunday morning, Dylan Gabriel will
tell Stefanski these.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Lies that I really like, every quarterback does that, Every
quarterback does that.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
On every quarterback does that? So do you think he
had any idea of the plays that she door likes. No,
or he's just gonna call plays just oh, hars my
place sheet that I'm calling Because you build your plate,
you build your play sheet around the quarterback and what
he likes, what he's good, what he's good at, what
you know he's good at. You don't even know what
you're good at. M Now it's gonna be very interesting.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Look at this play.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Now you got you got three guys blocking one guy
and somebody about to come in and hear your door
Daniels round free.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Now what should have happened? It was to redirect you
slide the line.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
To the left, and now guess what, you got the
guard or the center of the hit that guy that's
looping around and now you're protected. But hey, the uh,
the the the the old line is gonna have to
make calls until your door gets get get get it.
He's not there right now to say no, no, no,
no no, I want you to go here. Hey, redirect, redirect,

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let's lise this, let's lise this, let's losey this. Now
we're gonna slide the line to the left. Now we're
gonna take ay.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
You only got one guy rushing on the right.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Why the hell we got three guys and now we
got a guy fit to come in here and try
to put his helmet up under your door's kin. So
it's gonna be very interesting this week. Uh, I'm sure
Gaber is gonna be in protocol. We'll see if he
if your Door is gonna get the start against I
think they.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Played the Raiders. I think they played the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
We'll see if he gets to start against the Raiders,
and he'll get an opportunity to take all the reps,
all the ones, and Stefanski will have an idea what
he likes, it will call plays accordingly.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
And honestly, it's very important to uh for Stefanski to
understand and know what this quarterback likes to do, because
it allows you to call plays and put him in
advantageous situations for you. It just it just makes your
job easier. It just makes your job easier as a
head coach. And for a quarterback to nobody likes, so

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the offense is able to run smooth. I mean, it's
really easiest. It's not about Dylan Gabriel, it's not about
shudor Sanders. It's about putting our players in positions for
them to succeed and give us our best chances to win.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
That's all I give your private example O joke. When
I was at the starter my first couple of years,
they would put me in the game. But when I
came to the game, guess what, I know we can
run because it's like, Okay, when you come in the game,
this is what we're running.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
This is going to be your opportunity to make a play.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
They got a small cornerback. We're going through paid. I
don't care what the coverage we're expecting you to go
up for over the top of it. Okay, in this situation,
we're gonna bump this coverage. If they bump with it,
that means this man coverage, you're gonna be one on
one inside leve linebacker with inside leverage. So we're gonna
call a play where you're breaking away.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
So I knew.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Now if I'm just like all of a sudden going
the game and they're not calling players for me, I
just got I just now. Quarterbacks, always, you go listen
to Brady, you go listen to Manny, go listen to
a breathing anything. Any of these quarterback. They say, me
and the offensive coordinator, we went over the Saturday night
or day day on the game. This is what I

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really like normally is Saturday night and you come and say, okay,
so what do you like? So Brady and Manny would say,
I got these what many called his own things. So listen,
let's do Brady breath and all these other guys. There's like,
this is what I like. This is what I like
at this thirty one to three, thirty three to five,
thirty five to seven.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
This is what I really really like. Now, this is
what I like.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Hey, in this area of the field, this is what
I like in the red zone. This is what I
like out of this personnel because I feel out of
this personnel, we're more likely to get this coverage, which
gives us a benefit or that gives us an advantage.
So all that's going through the mind. But for a
quarterback on Joe not to get no reps, I'm talking

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about none.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
He said it.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah see, And I was like, what I mean, listening
to Mary kay cabinet looking and listen to people that
they're they're saying should do it is not getting any reps.
As a matter of fact, Bailey. It'll be very interesting
if somebody should have asked him. Well, let me ask
you this, coach, Stefanski, did Bailey Zappi get any reps
with the ones? Because it makes no sense if Bailey
Zappi is getting reps with the ones and then why

(35:44):
would you push your door in that situation? Why not
have Bailey Zappi is too?

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, and that's funny. And you know what the piggyback
off what you said about quarterbacks. You know, having those
conversations with coaches before a game start on plays that
they're comfortable with and some of the things that they
want to do, for one, especially early in the game,
to get him in the rhythm. And you mentioned Brady
and hell I was there.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I was there for that.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
I've seen it with my own eyes. I've seen it
tonight before in the hotel on Saturdays before when the
when the meeting ends, Bill O'Brien, the receivers of Tom
Brady sit there. They go over the plays that he likes,
and Bill O'Brien would run off plays. He'll he'll call
off plays and Brady, you know what, I don't I
don't like that one. You know, let's say that one,
you know, for later on the game and a certain
situation when we may need it. And he had those

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first those first thirteen plays that he really really likes
and he's comfortable with and that, and that's where they
would go with.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, then that's how it should be, because at the
end of the day, you got to run with the
quarterbacks feel comfortable with.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
You got to set your ego aside.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Sometimes, you know, we want to bring our ego to
the party, but it's not your party, so you don't
get to dress how you want to. We said, this
is an eighty things party. Don't you bring your ass
in here without a wig, without an afro and some
platform shoes, old on cho. It's a bail bar. You
know what I'm saying. This is not your party. So
you you you, you call plays accordingly, because if the
quarterback iss tell you what he likes in certain situations,

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he's gonna feel the most comfortable when you call that,
He's gonna be the most assured of himself and the offense.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
If you call that.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
I'm glad that, Like, like I said, hopefully, Dylan Gabriel's okay. Yeah,
first of all, let's start with that because I'm not
big and hoping somebody gets hurt and somebody else gets
an opportunity. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes players go down and
then other players get their opportunity. That's how Brady got
his opportunity. Someone went down and he made the most

(37:32):
of it. I got my opportunity. Someone went down, and
I made the most of it. But you know, somebody
in order to seem like, in order for you to
do it, to get in, Dylan Gabriel had to get thing.
Hopefully he's okay, Maybe he comes back. Maybe he comes
back this week and we're back to square one. Oh shoe,
Dylan Gabriel's in there taking all the ones and we're
moving forward.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
We don't know. We'll see how this thing plays out
if he's still in protocol. But I think now that
you you're in a situation where there's a great chance that.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I believe there's a greater than fifty percent chance that
you're gonna start, because I don't care what anybody says.
You pair you prepared differently as a starter than you
do backup.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
You just not not only do you prepare differently from
the starting to the backup, but the play calling changes significantly.
Calling completely changes completely different game plan depending on who
you have a quarterback, based on their skill sets and
what they're able to do.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
M H, I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
But uh, you know, things a lot faster than in
the NFL than they are in college. Guys move faster,
got you. You gotta throw guys open. I like that
guy he threw the fanning the tight end forty four
on the crosser on the dagger route. I thought he'd
throw that with timing. Uh he hit Ju with one
and Jewe made a great move. Uh he had another one.

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A couple of guys dropped one eighty four, had one
in his hand. But give a wood. Yeah, credit, he's
a great great It was a great play. That was
a great play. But when you have a young player
in there, having been in situations where you're the veteran
guy and you have a young guy and you have
to make plays for him, you understand that he's nervous.
I don't care what anybody says he's nervous. I've been

(39:13):
here before. I've been doing this all my life. You
ain't been doing it on this level all your life.
You ain't did it like this with those guys all
your life. So hopefully he gets an opportunity, another opportunity.
He'll be better prepared than he was, and uh, we'll
get a different resort also in this game, Miles, Miles.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Game, hey man eight and he's a real deal.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
He gonna bring He got seven games to go, so
he needs he needs eight sacks to break the record.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
And he might very well get that.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
He might. And know they got the Ravens again, he might.
They got the Ravens. Holdo, I think they got Pittsburgh.
They got.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
He definitely might because he had three today, right, did
he have three or four?

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Uh, they got the at the Raiders, they get the
forty niners, Titans at home, they're at the Bears. They
get the Bills at home. They get the Steelers at home,
they get the Bengals on now.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Now, the best matchup at everybody you said will be
probably will be a matchup to watch will be Miles
Garrett and Dion Dawkins. Miles Garrett and Dion Dalkons and
every everybody else on there. And there's no disrespect to him,
but you got your hands full. Oh everybody got their
hands you got you got your hands full.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
And obviously what's called got his hands Oh yeah, oh yeah,
oh shoot, that's big. Yeah, everybody got your hands full
cold Miller everybody, because he kicking everybody. He's he's on
he's on one of those he's on one of those
tears right now. It doesn't matter who's in front of them.
He don't even see you. He doesn't even see you.

(41:01):
I'm being honest, having been around, having played against great
pass rushers, the Reggie Whites, the Bruce Smith, the Derrick Thomas.
I played against Leslie O'Neill. Go look him up and
you don't know the Greg Townsend. Although the Michael straight
hands when they get into a rhythm, it ain't nothing
you can do, nothing you can do. It's just like
a guy shooting the basket.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Like Jordan.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
They say, Jordan getting a zone or still getting the zone?
Does it matter if you put your hand, you know,
they put their hand in his face, like he ain't
even looking at you.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
He looked at.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
And he's he's storing a pebble in the ocean. That's
how big it looks to it. There's a chance, O Joe,
it happened.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Happened.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I don't think it's happened since ninety two when core
Tez Kennedy won the defensive Player of the Year on
the losing team. I think they were two and fourteen
and teds won the defensive player of the year. That
might happen because right now, my Miles gar is the
best defensive player.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
He's easily, without question.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
I mean, I mean, he is soaked man, he is
so for a man his size to to move like
he does. The way he can bend, the way he can.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Change the direction, the way he can post with one arm,
the way he can he faking. I mean he lined
up and he ah ah, he ended. He's wax on,
wax off. He ripping, he bend in the edge. He
can lump you.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
He can he has when it comes when it comes
to Russian, he has no weakness because he can turn power.
He can turn power to speed speed, the power he
just he can snatch pull you. He's just he's just amazing.
He's he's and I just hate, I just hate.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
That he ain't gonna win, not even.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Listen, he might not win the team collectively, but he's
gonna win individually. He's gonna win individually every every time,
and sometimes in the in the winning effort defensively, sometimes
in the losing effort. But what you get for Miles
Garretts you get consistency. You get consistency from him, and
he's going to be an impact. Sometimes that impact it

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results and wins. Sometimes it doesn't. But he's a force
to be waking. He's a force to be wreckon with
week in and week out.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
And the thing is ot Joe.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
But when we talk about great defenders when it comes
to d line and what did all of them do?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
When? Yeah, what did Reggie do? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:28):
What did straight hand do? What did a lt do?
What did Aaron Donald do? JJ Watt? What you've you've got?
You've got? Yeah, But you know, you know, I'm not
saying you got to win a championship. But I'm not
saying you got to win.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
That, Joe. It's unfair you going three and fourteen, you
going five to twelve.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
But it is unfair, it's unfair. You have to think
about the situation those players, those players were in. You
better think about the teams that they were on collectively,
you know, as a group. So they won because of
the team that they were a part of. There was
an effort on both sides of the ball, you know,
especially for Aaron Donald, Michael straighthand look at the defense

(44:10):
back then, look at the offense with Eli Manning, some
of the things they were doing, you know during that time,
hell Reggie white with Reggie white Man.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
You got to think about what the what the the
Giants were before they got Oh yeah, you got to
realize what they before they got carry Collins ended up
going to the super Bowl. They weren't going to They
weren't going to no playoffs in the nineties, they.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Weren't like that.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Hey, all it takes is a quarterback straight Oh yeah,
absolutely absolutely, But.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
And and and guess what.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Reggie got tired of loseing, Reggie, I'm going to Green Bay. Yeah,
the money, they had money, but they had more money
on at other places. I want to win, time, said
may at let. Y'all trying to get me used to losing.
I want to win, got him. So at what point
in time does Miles Guess say, man, here I am,
I'm getting twenty three, twenty four sacks, and I ain't

(45:08):
even ain't I ain't even I ain't even sniffing the playoffs.
I'm not even close to the playoffs. That my season
is already over think about it, O Yoe. We ate
ten games into the season and the Cleveland is already
know they're living.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
At for I mean, that's crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
You six games, six weeks into the season, Shoe, we
got yo, we got eleven twelve weeks to go.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
All right, hey, man, let me see what. Let me
see what.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
And the funny thing about it is there a team
that tried to get him before the trade deadline. There
were teams that tried to get him, man, and listen,
I don't know the details. I'm not an insider. I
don't I don't have the sources. But you know, the
Browns weren't going to do that. I don't think there's
anything a team could offer them where they would have
done it, because I think a team that need no, no, no,

(45:54):
not not now.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
No, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I don't think I be personally, I don't think he
wanted to leave in because he's on the great he's
on a great pace right now. I think that's something
they might revisit in the because I'm gonna make a
I'm gonna make you tell me, like Beatle Juice, Beatle Juice,
you gonna have to tell me no.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
You gotta tell me. You gotta tell me. I ain't
gonna lie to you gotta tell.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Me no, because, uh, he's a man, he's a hell
of a he's a hell of a hell of a player,
and he got an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
He's gonna go down as one of the all time greats.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
But I want to see him. I want to see
him on the all time. I want to see him
on a big stage. I want to see him in
the AFC or NFC championship game. I want to see
him in the Super Bowl. I want everybody to see
Miles Garrett, not just I want to to see just
how special.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
He and I had. And I have to see it
watching highlights because you got you're watching the exact thing
about it, you know, as as great as he is.
I mean, how many people are tuning in to see
the Cleveland Browns play outside of Brown fans, unless unless
it's the team that they're playing, Unless the team that
they're playing that week is playing the Browns. That's about
That's about the only time.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
YEP, going back to Shador, why Tailor said after the game,
this is what he said. Why Tailor said on Shador,
I think I've heard his caden like two or three times.
I think it's going to come. I think going out
at halftime, we all got on the line. He said
it's cadence, and we're kind of okay. Got through it again,
a lot of learning, but but he played his heart out.
We just fell short. Gabriel got practice snapped as a

(47:27):
backup with Flaco at QB one. Stefanski wasn't even getting
Shador his back up at least minimal reps during the
course of the week. I get Flaco to a certain
show because Flako is a veteran. Gabriel isn't a veteran,
and you want to try to get him as many
reps as you possibly can. But at some point in time,
I'm not saying you split it fifty to fifty. I'm

(47:48):
not even saying you split it sixty forty, but you can't.
You can't find a way to get that man two reps.
So the offensive line, the running backs and everybody can
hear his k and understand that, because that's very important.
Some people have a slow cater, some people have a
fast cadence. You got and you need to be able
to hear it. So I was I was surprised that

(48:13):
that Stefanski said that man since the man got drafted,
you know they had the drafted.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Now, yeah, you know how long ago it was they
is the day is Sunday.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
They sixteenth, November sixteenth, June, July augu September, October, November sixth.
You have to understand, the first time that man got
first team reps was today in an actual game.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Against the division.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
You understand that that wasn't their call. That is not
the player that they wanted.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
They had.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
They had their mind made up. They had their mindset
on who they wanted to be, you know, quarterback number one.
Obviously it was Joe Flacco. When things didn't work out
with Joe Flacco, they were going to Dylan Gabriel as
their as their as their quarterback.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
They did.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
They they just didn't see Shador Sanders in their plans.
You know now that that's their business. That's that's the
way they felt. Now things have come to a head
where Dylan Gabriel went out with a concussion hoping I'm
hoping he's okay and he can get back to the
regularly scheduled program for the Browns, being that he is
the one that they wanted to be their starter. So
I'm hoping he's okay and he's able to come back

(49:13):
once he clear concussion protocol. But now if Dylan Gabriel
is out, now Schdor has a whole week. He has
a whole week to get all those things down, to
get that rhythm, to get that timing, get that chemistry
with the receivers, with the linemen so they can hear
that cadence and understand understand you know the sound and

(49:34):
how he gonna call plays in the huddle, and obviously
had the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Let's take a listen to what your door had to
say after the game, Ojoe.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
But it's different when it's different body types going out
there a different way, how people get out of the routes.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Like what I've seen on.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
The pick initially was I see his hips turn, So
I'm like, Okay, we're gonna be able to get out there.
But at the same time, like playing quarterback is extremely hard,
So it's like I like knowing every detail about my receivers.
I like knowing the small things with the good at,
what the not good at.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
It's like so many details that that that.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
That helps me play confident with those guys, and I know,
you know we at the bottom right now, just performance everything.
It will never be like this, but you know, I'm
dedicated to being able to get those opportunities with those
guys too.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Have a relationship.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
You know, I got a relationship with all the hungry dogs.
Though we like clockwork out there. But you just gotta
see you just got to see everything a little bit more,
you know, like them, come out ross them, do all
different types of stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
So you want to go to the next sound before
we respond, Let's take a listen to what Miles Garrett
you can say about your door after the game.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
I don't don't be discouraged from no one drive or
two drives. That's a good football team over there, So
just trying to keep them to keep his confidence high
and uh, don't keep on chationing that standard, which he said,
and we're going to continue to support him. Know he
spoke after the game, and you know he wanted to
pendant on himself and his performance, but we're not gonna

(51:22):
allow him to do that. You know, it's a it's
a team game. So we're alling this together, just.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
The entire team.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
In the locker press, Hey, you know what to uncle
as a receiver, and un you're gonnattest to this and
and with great understanding and and those you in the
chat that that are listening, I don't think they understand
how important it is to have a cadence with your
receivers to understand and and and to work with them,

(51:48):
you know, throughout the week, so to understand their movements,
you know their their tendencies, and and when they're gonna break,
when they're going to get out and being able to
being able to throw the ball. I think people think
you just you get out there and you you just
throw the ball to your receivers, and it's just that easy.
It's just that easy. But there's there's there's a timing
and cadence to it and rhythm to it that That's
why you always hear players talk about throwing with your

(52:10):
quarterback and you know, in the off season and throwing
with them in practice and getting those getting those reps
so everything flows smooth in the middle of a game
when everything is sped up times ten, and you can
you can tell and you know when the players about
the break based on his mannerism, based on his body language,
and I think people watching the game of football. Thing

(52:32):
is just so easy. You know, you get the ball
and you just throw it and the guy has to
get open. But that's not the way it works. When
you have other players.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Everything is easy that you can't do. Everything is easy
that you can't do. What you mean, I know what
you Yeah, those that can do, those that can't, talk
about others that can do.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Let me ask you a question on Joe you played
with Tom Brady. Do you think Tom Brady would allow
some some receiver that he didn't throw too during the
course of the week to be out there on the
field with him on something.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Neither with Peyton Manning. Neither with John Elway. Because if
there's a chance that you're gonna get your asser in
the game, you best believe John Elway was gonna see
you run a dig and cut, an over route, a slant,
a comeback, a stop or smoke or shake. He's gonna
see you do it in practice. And guess what when
it comes time to one on one, guess what he's

(53:29):
gonna say. Hey, No, don't worry a t let him
get up there. I don't wanna see what you can do.
I've been with you for seven years.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I've been with.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
I.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
But he's gonna want to see what those guys can do.
Because if I got to go out there and battle
with you on Sunday, I need to know I can
trust you. I need to see some matter rhythms. Hey here,
tell him, bro, let me know where you're gonna break out. Bro,
I got to know where you're gonna break out.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
You just can't do that. Make sure you get your depth.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Hey, I can't. I can't listen. This is seven on seven.
I can't be in the language that I can't be
back here jacket his ball, which means.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
He can't be all that. Patton, you get your head
knocked off, No, knocked on.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
He can't do that. And you hear me say that. Guys,
what's y'all think this a seven one?

Speaker 5 (54:13):
No?

Speaker 1 (54:14):
That balls got to come out one two, three balls out,
one two, three, four five balls out. So to ask
your door to get in a game in which he
has not taken any snap from the center, He hasn't
thrown the judy, he hadn't thrown the handing or or
he hadn't thrown in any of those guys and expect
him to work a miracle. We're not making excuses. But look,

(54:34):
as time progresses, he getting more and more time, we'll
be able to fairly grade him on his performance. But
I think it's unfair to give him a grade. If
I were to give him a grade, I would say incomplete. Incomplete.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
We asked him to take a t asked.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
With studying, without without studying. I mean that's unfair. If
you listen, If you're gonna give me an assignment, right,
at least give me the curriculum. Give me the curriculum
that I can properly study so I can pass the
goddamn tests. That's all. Make it make it fair, make
it fair for me.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Just don't.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
We out there blind.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I give you chat. I don't know how many of
you guys went to college. I don't know how many.
I'm sure a lot of you guys went to high school.
Imagine show your first day of class and the teacher
gave you.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
A test, and you don't know what the hell us
own no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
You know the class? Uh, you in the history class,
you in a science class, you in the chemistry class.
And the first day you show up and you go whoa, whoa,
what did you do that?

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Hell, you ain't even give me the syllabus.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
You didn't even tell me what we're gonna be doing.
What were gonna be going over this quarter this semester
like we're in church.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Now, go ahead. It is tough at and look, y'all
know me. I'm not big on excuses. You either get
it done or you don't. But having played this game,
having been a guy that's been in the situation that
should do that didn't get a whole lot of reps.
But and when you don't get a whole lot of reps,

(56:15):
it's hard to have confidence going into a game. I
can just imagine playing the quarterback position and having to
go in a game when you're taking no reps. I've
never thrown to Jerry Judy. The only thing I've thrown
to Jerry Judy is Patt and go and warming up.
I've never thrown at these guys. The center's never had
snapped me the ball because normally when I'm throwing Pat

(56:36):
and go o Jo, they throwing the ball underhand. The
ball boys throwing me the ball underhanded. A center ain't
doing that. The centers are down there, the lineman the
down there working on some other stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
So until we come as a team to stretch, then.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
They go do you know, we break up and they
go do their thing until we come together and do
nine o seven or whatever we're gonna do. Or they
got the individual periods and then we have our individual
peers and then we come together. But I just think
the thing is is that that he just needs some time.
He needs to work with that offense. They need to
get his use to his cadence. Stefanski needs to call
plays according to what his skills set and what he likes,

(57:13):
what he feels comfortable in. I definitely think we'll see
a better should Doure next week if he if he's
just if he starts, I guarantee you we'll see a
better should doure yeah, than.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
What we saw.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
It's all about preparation. It's all about preparation.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
It's one thing when opportunity presents itself, If you're prepared,
it looks different. You're a lot more confident. But if
you don't know what to prepare for or don't have
the tools at your disposal to be able to prepare
for said tests, this is what you get.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Exactly oh Joe, you ain't winning war without the proper weapons.
So cannons and musket nah, dang, how they're doing it
now they're doing it with drones. So hey they they

(58:06):
he they dropped dropping buck bunt bunker busters from beef
choose a bunk of a bunk ofster. It's a it's
a whole Uh yeah, they got those bombs. Now, Oh Joe,
you drop because they people, you know, they done dug
into side of the cave. They drop them and they.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Mess up the whole bunker hunh and then explode.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Oh man, so oh.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Joe, I sped. Hey, hey, that favor don paper. Let
let's say that. Let's say that for Lair. Let's say
that for La.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
No, no, we can't say that for Lams. O yoe.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
We gotta go there. We gotta go now because we
got some good stuff. We still got a lot of
stuff to go. The Pittsburgh Steelers stay on the top
of the AFC North thanks toward thirty four to twelve victory.
Although Aaron Rodgers left the game what many believed to
be a crack at a break at his wrist, Mason
Rudolph came Man finished twelve or sixteen seven.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Of the touchdown.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
He relieved Aaron Rodgers, who was not a fifteen one
sixteen had a touchdown. They won thirty four to twelve.
But that was not the story of the game. Something
happened late in the ball game. Jalen Ramsey was he
acted for punching uh T not T Higgins Jamar Chase
in the face. They asked Chase, excuse me, They asked

(59:26):
Jayleen Ramsey, what happened?

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Okay, we got okay, let's take a listen to what
what Ramsey said after the game.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
He spelled him, So it's up.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
I'm gonna get fucked around football after that, respectfully.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Okay, here's what Chase said.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Walterster, what happened with j.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Exchanging words?

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Who he was saying that you spin on him?

Speaker 5 (59:56):
Did you spin on him?

Speaker 3 (59:58):
I ain't, I ain't never open my mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
What do you What do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Prok is the reaction from him, Well, you don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Some of the words I told him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
You've been going back and forth the whole time, so
I'm sure some ship some got under this cap.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yeah, but y'all all good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
We got we got we got Austin brit Brisket, Risky Brisky,
Austin Brisky, Fox nineteen. He got it all on tape.
Let's take a look at this on Yoe. Yeah, Yoe,

(01:00:47):
that's your guy. I've met him a few times.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I like Chase.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
He's the best receiving football. But he's still on Jalen
Ramsey and you know, and everybody knows, I've been abundantly
clear where I am the most disc respectful thing you
can do. Yeah, we know the ND word, we know
the con the connotations and what it summons up. But
my well, my grandfather used to always say, she said, boy,

(01:01:11):
you don't spit on if you you're telling me on
the ground, that is the lowest thing you can do.
Oh Joe, he spilled on that man and he lied
and Jayalen Ramsey said, Jalen Ramsey say, he spit on me.
So it's up after that f football, after that point,
take it away.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I mean, you know, y'all know how I feel about
you know. You know how I feel about Jamar And
you know I'm really critical of players, very really. It
takes a lot for me to be critical of someone.
But this is one of those situations where I gotta
let Chase, No, but you're dead wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Boy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
As much as I love you, you can't do that.
You can't do that. You can be angry, you can
be mad, you can say what you want to say
to a player on the field, but you can't spit
on nobody. Bro, young boy, you can't spit on nobody. Obviously,
you know, cooler heads will prevail. But in those situations
like that, when you're angry, I know you're frustrated. The

(01:02:07):
game might not be going your way. You're not getting
the ball the way you want to get the ball.
You know how these division games go. Uh, Situations like
this happen all the time, especially when it's Bengal Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
It's just like this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
It's tight, it's tight. You get angry, you get frustrated,
But you can't. You can't. You just you just can't.
You know, as much as I love you, I'm disappointed
obviously in your actions. I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna talk
to you. I haven't had the chance to day, you know,
I'm I ain't want to bother you. But if you
look back, you think about it, you probably won't be
in this situation again. Knowing the NFL and the way

(01:02:41):
they disciplined. They will probably suspend you for a game,
and you know it'll probably never happen again. It probably
never happen again. But to something you just can't do,
young bull. You can't. You can't do this. You can't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Just own it, just say, you know my emotions, Hey, Jalen,
I'm sorry. My emotions got the best of me. When
emotions are how logic is low? Ram, I'm sorry, I
let my emotions get the best of me, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
I was dead ass wrong for what I did. It's
hard to do something now publicly, o Cho, and nobody
sees it because everybody got carried everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Because O Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
If they're having a conversation and you know, hey, sometimes
when I get excited, I have to come man, I'm sorry.
I ain't mean to space. We've all done that. We
get excited. We started talking and we accidentally actually spray.
But that wasn't no spray, Ojo.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
That was not no spray. That was not a spray.
And he did it, and he lied to reporters and
he said, I ain't over my mouth. You did Chase.
You're wrong, bro, You're wrong, And I know that's not.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
What you did.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I'm not going to define you by that, but you
did that. I don't believe old that that that I see.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
The worst thing that a person done that is that
that's who we who. Now obviously we got repeat offenders,
but there's nothing in his history. There's nothing in his
background that would suggest this is what he years. So
I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. Now,
the NFL, they should sit They gotta sit you down.
They've got to sit you down for a game. That's
the least they can do. Jaylen Ramsey, you're gonna get

(01:04:24):
fined a little fine, but they're not gonna suspend you
because you because your suspension was you got kicked out
of the game. That was your that was your punishment.
And you're gonna get fined. You're probably get fined, uh,
I don't know, twelve twenty five thousand, something like that.
But Chase, you're gonna get suspended. And I don't know why, Chase,
I don't know. Oh Choe' And I've been mad with you.

(01:04:44):
I know you've been mad at people. I've been mad
at people I could, but to spit on somebody, do
you know how disrespectful how degrading that is as a
black man. You Chase, you know to hear feel in
Louisiana in the South, that's what they used to do

(01:05:05):
to your grandpa, your great grandpa, your great grandma. Yeah,
when they was trying to integrate the schools. Come on, Chase,
we gotta be better than that. We can't do that
to each other.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Yeah, we get upset, Yeah we get angry, but come on,
we gotta do better than that when it comes to
each other.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
For us, I might disagree with something you said, I
might not like what you said, and like I said, hey,
but I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I cannot do that because what happens is, oh Joe,
if you spit on somebody, whatever that individual does to
you after that, I'm good with. Yeah, whatever whatever. And
if you spit on somebody and that goes for family
member or to anybody. If you spit on somebody, whatever

(01:05:55):
that person does to you after that, Oh well, you're right, because,
O Joe, the thing is, you get to control your actions.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
You don't get to control of the consequences that comes
from your ass right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
I'm just I'm just disappointed because he would have been
the last person I would have thought, uh, that would
do something like this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Like I said, I've been around him half for not
like you. I don't like you, but he was all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
You know, guys normally when they see me, they respect
for what's going on, how you do it, blah blah blah.
But man, damn, I mean and then and I want
and I want, and I wanted to believe because like
I said, I've been around Ram a little bit, but
and he's not like I said the little bit time
i've been around him and what I seen him, you know,
we dimmed a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
He don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Honestly, you gotta think. You gotta think these boys, especially
when they come to Jaalen, when when it comes too
you know, I'm around these fellas consistently all the time,
you know, whether whether it's working out, whether it's hanging out,
whether it's eating. I hang out. I hang out with
Jayalen when he's down, when he was dying here in mine.
And obviously you know my my my relationship with Chase,
you know, since he got drafted. Now that's that's something
even even even even even more close. And none of

(01:07:08):
these individuals are like that. But emotions get the best
of us. Sometimes sometimes you make mistakes. And I've been
in situations we motionally got the best of me, and
I've done things that are totally out of my character,
out of my character, it's totally uncharacteristic of who I
am and what I represent and everything that I stand for.
And I think this is one of those situations for Chase.

(01:07:30):
This is something that happened where obviously logic was low
because emotions were high. I was upset, I'm frustrated the
game's not going well. Then they got them trash talking
to me. We going back and forth, and it just
it got the best of them. And I'm I'm really
not the one that's alway that that is in positions
to be the voice of reason. But I'm probably one

(01:07:52):
of the few people outside of family members that Uno
will listen to. He will listen to and and and
actually listening to what I'm saying, because I've been in
situations where we're not that this magnitude, We're not thinking,
we're not thinking straight. You know, it can cost you.
You know, now this is gonna call them, It's not

(01:08:13):
gonna cast some you know, as much as it did
for me. For being in a situation where my logic
was low as hell. Uh, I mean it was super
low and it cost me a lot. Now this is
just on the small scale, still in a very disrespectful manner.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
But that's why you're the perfect person to speak on this,
because you've been in a similar situation where emotion was high,
logic was low, and sometimes when the situation like that,
we let our motion get the best of us and
that's not who we are. But in that moment, just
for a second, you threw caution to the wind. We've
all been there, and my thing is, Chase, you didn't
have to lie. All we would have looked. Everybody's gonna

(01:08:48):
look at you a certain way. But jes say, you
know what all you had to do is say, Ram,
I'm sorry. You should you should have made peace with
that man. A y'all get me rams. No, I'm gonna
call it. I want to call them and tell him
as a man, I said, Bro, I'm gonna tell the
world that I did.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
I was dead ass, but I wanted to tell you
first man the man, Ram, I'm sorry, Bro, that ain't me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Bro, you know me, that ain't me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
We're both competitors. You're fighting your ass off for your team.
I'm fighting my ass off for my team, and my
emotions got defensed of me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Ram.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
I'm sorry, Bro, Man, I really hope you forgive me,
because I don't want your family to I don't want
your family to look at me in that light, and
I don't want my family to look at me in
that light to know that I did something like that,
because I know my family will be very disappointing in me.
So I'm coming to you as a man, but I
won't tell the world.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I did what I did.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
I did, and I want to apologize to you as
a man. Out of got him in the tunnel. I
went to the tunnel. I said, Bro, Hey, I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go. Look, I'm gonna do my press conference,
but I'm gonna find Ram and say I'm sorry I
would have and I think he will. Hey, that's between
him and Ram. I don't have to know about everybody

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telling about well he did it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
But no, yeah, good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Just apologize to the man and we're gonna keep on moving.
But just no, man, Oh Joe, they like when you
and I first got in the league, they got a
couple of cameras. Bro, they catching everything. They catch everything.
And that's why you see guys cover their mouth when
they talked to one another, O Joe. Because guess what
people try to read lips. Y'all tried to read it
exactly what O Joe and I talking about. Man, it
seems like he said, remember when Jaylen Brown was on

(01:10:29):
the sideline and he and his girl and they was
talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Brodny Oh yeah, yeah on the on the side. Yeah,
I remember that. Yeah, they did read his lists. That's right,
that's right, remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
I remember that exactly, exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
And we're gonnat were gonna get the situation right the
fire though, We're gonna We're gonna get it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Rgor Fied, I know, I know. Look, but let me
show you question, O Joe. The league gotta step in
because we we and it happened. I mean, but to see,
I mean what I think this is the second or
the third time that this has happened this year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Yeah, we had with the Jalen Carter, we wanted the Cowboys,
uh that I think there was another situation. I'm not
sure it was college college. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but listen,
the League's gonna gonna step in. They They're gonna obviously
discipline them. It probably it probably probably one game suspension.
I didn't I didn't I didn't call. I didn't call,
you know, the night I didn't call the knight.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
He got enough to deal with as it is, you know,
coming off a loss. If I allowed twenty four hours
to go by, so tomorrow, you know, I gotta fly
to New York tomorrow. So when I fly to New York,
I'm gonna take that time out being at this is
this is off day. I'm sure they're probably going to
watch film and I'm gonna catch up later on an
even and uh, and just just just talk to him,
just just talk to him a little bit about you know,
being able to to use logic even in situations where

(01:11:44):
when you're when you're not in your right state of mind,
because at times it gonna cost you. And I'm the
perfect example of not using your your your mind in
the right state of mind. And it's not gonna cost
you big this time, but it cost me my whole career,
you know. So so using that example with him in
a small situation which was extremely disrespectful, you know, will

(01:12:05):
be perfect because I'm just I'm a prime example.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Yeah, oh Joe, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
I told you before we're going we're going off the
the Bengam game already.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
What you want to talk about?

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Listen, uh, brother Darnell Washington, the way he say the
way hey, hey, he pissed me off man, he's are
you supposed to be playing with the god Damn Nix
or something?

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
No, Actually he's supposed to have a seventy number. He's
supposed to be off here to tackle. Hey both hey,
jog of six seven because guess he got a job. Yes,
you see how respectful. I'm like, why are you pushing
on people like that? Why are you at tight end?

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Hey? Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Hey, hey down Washington boy, you was balling out to night.
All still fans For those of you that are in
the chat, you know how I feel about you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
I've always been respectful and shown sportsmanship, and I've shown
grace whether the one of whether we lost. I was
always respectful. But Donnette Washington, what you did to my teammates,
I have to avenge them. So whenever I see you
in public and offseason, you just know we're gonna squabble.
We're gonna square up and we're gonna fight. Well, boy,
you had a hell of a game. Boy, you had
a hell of a game. Salute to y'all, steal a fan.

(01:13:24):
Congratulations on your winter day.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I love y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Y'all got it. I hope Aaron Rodgers is okay. If
he's not okay, I think it's his non throwing hand.
I think something in this rest is non throwing hand
that might be broke. Aaron Rodgers, do me a small favor.
Put you a hard cast on there, put your hard
cast on them, and let's play ball next week. Now,
let's play ball next week. We can play with that,

(01:13:49):
whether it's a small break, a little break or I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Know why you're talking about our team. Why are you
talking about our team? Are you not even a Steeler? Well,
I'm saying that's not in the north. So I feel
compelled to be able to rave my team.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Hold on, listen. I feel compelled to support them because
my team is out right now, that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Oh, your TV be done. They told you that, don't
do that, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Don't do that because they don't do that. Because if
if we won the day if we had won the
game today, we would have had a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
But I told you you weren't going to win. I
told you you're gonna lose your legs. I told you
how many games chat how many times? How many times
did y'all hear me telling, Oh, Joe, y'all about to
lose out? And although the window is open, Joe Burrow
is back at practice a little head of schedule, twenty
one day, the twenty one day windows open, he ain't
coming back come back for what.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
It's all good, it's all good, it's all good. It's
all good.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
But I know a team that did won today, the
team that I told you was gonna win, the ra Yeah,
the Ravens did win today.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
The Ravens beat the Browns.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Huh and and did And my other team one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Wait a minute, then would be the Chesse.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Beat them?

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
It was field goal at the end of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Euh beat them, got the ball and went down field.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Going to look into the game. If I'm not mistaken, right, Oh, yes, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
And guess what that kind of points field goal help
the field goal points? Right? Yeah, it do it do

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