Shannon Sharpe & Iso Joe Johnson react to Tyrese Halliburton and the Indiana Pacers blow out Shai Gilgeous Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder to force a Game 7, the Buss family sells the Lakers to Mark Walter, & Nick Young says Tim Duncan’s spurs were not a dynasty and much more!
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19:00 - Buss Fam sells majority ownership of Lakers
25:41 - Utah and Lakers possible trade centered on Hachimura for Collins
29:45 - Swaggy P: Tim Duncan spurs not a dynasty team
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Tell on, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining
us for another episode of Nightcap.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We got a game seven.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Game six wasn't really that interesting, especially if you're a
Thunder fan.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
But Indiana came to play tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
There was a lot of speculation of whether or not
Tyrese Haliburton would play.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Not only did he play, he played extremely well.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
But again it was the bench TJ McConnell Obie topping
that got them going and they did not look back.
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Tom briefly.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Last night.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
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Speaker 2 (02:32):
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Speaker 1 (02:40):
But uh, but it was great.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And if you're in every in Vegas and you get
an opportunity to check it out, it's in the Fountain Blue.
It's called the Hall of Excellence, and it's narrated by
Morgan Freeman, and they have a lot of things up there,
and so when you hit click on the button, it'll
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stuff from l Way, Greg Maddox, I mean, it's an
unbelievable you got this obviously when Tom is you know,
they got Tom one hundredth anniversary jacket or he's one
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one of the Lombardi Trophies. So if you're ever in Vegas,
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and you got some spare time, go spend ten fifteen
minutes in there.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You'll be glad you did. So. Thank you Hall of
Excellence for having me over there. Last night.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
All right, Joe, the Pacers beat the Thunder, so we
do have a game seven on Sunday one eight to
ninety one. Nobody, I mean really, no one from the
Thunder played really well. Thunder had five turnovers in the
second quarter, I mean first quarter. Seven in the second quarter,
so they had twelve turnles at the half. Obi Topping
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had four three pointers. The Thunder starters had won. This
is the best we see. Look Pacers to play some
really good basketball this postseason. Joe, But tonight the way
they swarmed, they for shade eight turnovers seven to fifteen
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oh one, seven of eight, but for turnovers minus seventeen
and thirty one minutes. Jalen Williams, who coming up that
had a forty point game the other night, played sensational.
He was minus forty and the plus minus six or
thirteen oh four, four or five and only twenty seven minutes.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Joe. TJ.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
McConnell is the first bench player in NBA history sixty
plus points, twenty five plus assists, fifteen plus rebounds, and
then in the NBA Finals he's doing this offer and
when you look at him, I know they said they
looking at it, Joe, They looking at it, Jose about bad.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I will cook old boy. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And the next day, you know, Eden told you look
at it, and he's like, damn well. TJ got deep
even us tonight. Joe, what did you like about what
you saw from the Pacers, because there were a lot
of uncertain dys Tyreese Halliburton gonna play if he doesn't play,
can win without him? If he does play, how you
know how liberty would he be? What did you like most?
What impressed you most about Indiana? Man haller Berry pulling
(05:11):
our leg? Is he pulling our leg?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Man? Come on now?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah something hey? But anyway, uh, I thought Indiana played great.
I thought that, you know, to get off to a
good start. I thought, okay, see started the game off
pretty good. I was like, okay, they look he's gonna
put these boys away. They ain't gonna play with him
and man as soon as they start. As soon as
Indiana started subbing, TJ came in. I think his energy,
(05:35):
his effort is so infectious to the other teammates that
they feed off that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Now is he the guy? No, he's not the.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Guy, but the energy and effort that he plays with
you can't substitute for that.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Man. He's making plays on both ends of the court.
I thought.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Offensively, it's almost like OKAYC was like, Okay, we're gonna
let TJ. If he gonna be if he gonna turn
into AI and score all the points, we just gonna
play him one on one and we're gonna let were
gonn't let him score as much as he can. But defensively,
he was swarming. You know, you got you get these
other guys involved, and it's like they were like two
or three steps faster than ok C the knife for
whatever reason. You know, after after probably the first couple
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of minutes, it's like Indiana took over Man.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
They never looked back.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
They killed them in every quarter except you know, the
fourth quarter, the last quarter where yet don't count because
they were down thirty going into the fourth. Man, it
was it was a sight to see I hadn't seen
Okay see play like this a lot throughout this postseason,
and to see every guy in that starting lineup with
negatives plus minus negatives by their name, Uh Indiana just
(06:38):
had more more It's like more resilience to night.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
They knew what was they say.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Obviously they didn't want them boys to close them out
on their home floor, and they played like it to night.
It was a great game. Absolutely, Yeah, boy, Joe, I
thought they played. I thought they played a great game.
I thought they energy and effort was there. Defensively, they
were swarming. They killed him in every category, meaning every
whether it was rebottom out see it still it's like blocks. Okay,
(07:03):
see had no chance, they had no chance. They looked
when they got down. I hadn't seen, like I said,
I hadn't seen Oka See looked like that, you know
throughout this postseason. But when they got down, they looked
like they didn't have what it what it took to
come back, and uh Indiana just kept pulling it, kept
pulling it. So I give a lot of credit obviously
to they bench, who has been tremendous. Indiana's bench has
(07:25):
been great. You know, throughout this whole postseason. You look
at Topping with twenty points, TJ with twelve, and they
just had a bunch of guys chip in Man and defensively.
I thought, this is probably one of the best outputs
they did that they put out, you know, pretty much
throughout this whole postseason.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It didn't start off very well because I think they
missed like their first eight shots. I mean they were
they were rushing and seemed like everybody wanted to make beat,
make make their the run by themselves to make okay
See give up. But once they got it going, boy,
they got it going, they couldn't stop them, Joe. I
mean they and all of a sudden they couldn't make
it three. Now, all of a sudden they couldn't miss
(08:02):
a three. And once they got it Florida me, I
was like, man, Indiana's played extremely well. But then they
allowed okay See to cut it to close it, and
I was like, damn.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Okay okay See finished this quarter.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I was strong because it's always okay, how do we start,
then how do we finish? You're always trying to close
out a quarter, end of the first, going into half,
going it into the four, you know, the third, going
into the fourth, and I thought okay See did a
very good job of that.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But man, when they started that second quarter.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
They opened up a can on them, Joe, they opened
up a can on them, And you're absolutely right. Jayalen Williams,
who came out for forty point effort in Game six,
he has the lowest plus minus and finals game in
the play by play era. He was minus forty. Now
he's gonna be looking to get that get back on Sunday.
(08:55):
I don't think Shade's gonna play as bad as he played.
Shade have played that bad. It was just hard. The
shot that he normally would make he didn't get through.
He didn't get that bounce tonight. But I just think
it was again you look at it sixteen ten, seventeen, fourteen,
twenty twelve. The six guys in double figures again. You
know they normally keep five, six guys in double figures.
(09:15):
Some casually they'll speak a seventh guy in there and
get him in double figure. Miles Turner didn't play his
you know, only one field goal tonight, one of nine
from the floor, all three from the three, one of
two from the free throw line. But you know, Man
Siakam was good, Nie Smith was good, nim Hard Tyre's
Halliburton was sensational.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Obi Topping was sensational. TJ. McConnell. I mean, what do
you say about it?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I mean, I mean he's the I en the job
of Bunny And I thought in the second quarter of
what they did is they played him and Haliburton together. Yeah,
I thought, I Hallerburton didn't really have a problem with
him having the ball.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
He didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I just Holly looked like he was a step fast
today than he was in Game five. Yeah, and for me,
damn they man, they put up a performance against OKC today.
You look at uh, you look at Caruso. He had
many points as me and you had to night. Yeah, yeah,
(10:11):
he got some cardio in. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
They can't.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
They can't win without their bench contributing unless Shay and
and and Williams go off.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
But man, it's just look look at check Hungwark like
it's just I don't know, man, they seemed a little
disinterested once they got down.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
They just could not get back in the game.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Once Indiana one of them, one of their big run
and kind of separated themselves. You I thought that okay
C had a run them, especially the second half, but Indiana, well,
they were they were flaming. Man, they was going, they
were going. You couldn't. You couldn't slow them down. I'm
saying about everybody on their team was scoring, defensively, were
in tune, and they just seemed like a well or
engine knight who could not be stopped. And that's uncharacteristic
(10:52):
of OKC, especially defensively.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Uh s g a eight turnovers to assist time for
the host turnovers in a game six in finals history.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know, like I said he did, he didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
He didn't couldn't get his offensive game going, and he
couldn't get anybody well, I don't know if he couldn't,
No one could make shots. Eight turnovers like I said,
they had twelve at the half. They did a great
job when he turned his back CJ. Mcconnells looking at
the pick his pockets. Uh, they gave him a lot
of different looks tonight. They did a great job, but
they knew had to do a great job or else
they were going home.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And look, no one wants to lose.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It's not easier losing or you lost as a low
But are you I damn sure don't want you to
celebrated on my court.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I don't want you celebrated. You know, all my fans
done gone home.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Everybody disappointed, and a handful of fans that y'all got
in there, they said, yeah, and y'all dappling them up,
y'all drinking champagne.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Ah nah, hell nah.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Hey, Look, I think I think Indiana really fed off
the crowd, especially a lot of them old venturing guys
who've been on a round played for them.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, Regide Miller was there, Ronal tests.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, coming back showing them guys love and you know
that's a that's an extra incentive, meaning you know, you
don't wanna lose on your home court like that, and
had him got celebrated, And I thought they played like
I mean from the obviously, after the first what three
four minutes they settled in, they started making shots, and
it was a rap. Halibert didn't even look like he
had Andrew that night the way he was did not.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
He did not, But I thought he did a better
job of getting to a spot.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
He's a right handed I was watching the thing today
and they tuck tracking where he shoots the ball from. Yeah,
prior to the night, he had only made like one
or two shots from in their playoffs, and on the
left side, so he must have seen all this stuff
is to the right. Yeah, he must have seen it too,
because he started making some shots. Hey, he making some
shots over there on their left side. Man, he did, Hey, hey,
(12:40):
this game seven, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I know, I know. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I would not be shocked at the Pacers because I
believe if we talked about this Joe in game six,
I believe Rick Carlile should have went with a TJ
McConnell once he was Tyreez Haliburton was getpy.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I think he should have rolled.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I think he should have rode TJ McConell a little more,
a little longer. He went back, and I get it.
It's a veteran guy. You know, he's the said of
your team. But that night he didn't have it and
TJ was playing extremely well.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
But you're right.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think that two day rest gave Hi an opportunity
to get a lot of treatment, get that thing massaged out.
He kept it warm, and now guess what they got
it They got too.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
They got twenty four forty eight.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
They got about sixty plus hours before they play again,
so he gets treatment all the way. What you think
they'll lead tonight and they'll lead to Mars. They don't
play until Sunday. They probably gonna leave. They probably gonna
leave Saturday. You don't think they'll leave Saturday. Do you
think that least Saurday will have a shoot around in
the India and then go probably.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So, man, this is it. I mean, like, I don't
know what else you gotta tell your team. This is it.
This is the last game of the season, well the season.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So I feel like Rick Carlis that are awesome job
this postseason with these guys. And I think these guys
are gonna be out for this challenge knowing that you know, uh,
they hadn't played terribly in Okay, see, they have it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
They've been in games. Remember they ended up winning Game one. Yeah,
they won Game one.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So they feel that they feel if you win one
time that Joe, you know, you feel you can win again.
Hey man, you just got to be better than them
in this last game, and it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I think this is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
This's gonna be one one to remember because, uh, you know,
okayc obviously we didn't talked about them being a dynasty.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
They understand what's this stake.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You got guys who didn't play well to night, who
are obviously gonna be looking to have a bounce back
game in a major way. I can't I can't believe
they had a performance like this from okay, see, I
ain't gonna lie. Yeah, they seemed a little a task
lord tonight. Or maybe the Pacers played with a little
bit more pepp in their step, but they did seem
(14:58):
to have a little bit more bounce. And once the
the lid was taken off the basket, I thought the
Pacers started to put it in there at a high clip.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
And now you get one shot, you miss.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
They go down on another to make and I say
it like again, they close out the first quarter good,
but any started at first that second quarter that was
on fire.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
And they didn't look back.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And then the end of the third you have Shepherd
hit that shot and it's up thirty. Yeah, and you
see Dagnaut, he raised the white flags and okay, we'll
see you, okay, see for game seven. Look just from
the hustle points alone for me, you know, they kind
of determined, you know who wanted more. And yep, I
mean they just beat them in every fancy of the
game man, and that's uncharacteristic of Oklahoma City Thunder team,
(15:38):
who has been you know, tremendous throughout this whole and
not just this regular season but the postseason.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So to see them get beat like this, damn, it's tough.
It is. It really is.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Joe the Bus family, and it's been in their family,
the Lakers. It's been in their family since what in
nineteen seventy nine, winning doctor Jerry Buss purchased the team
from Jack Kent Cook, who was the owner of the
Washington football team that were not the football team then
the Commanders, but we know who they were, but and
(16:19):
he purchased that from them. So Mark Walter, who also
owns the Dodgers, he owns a soccer Premier team is
a Chelsea what is it done?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I think he owns a sig.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
But anyway, he had a lot of money and he
purchased the majority ownership for evaluation of approximately ten billion dollars,
the largest sale of a professional sports franchise in the world.
Jeannie will still act as the governor per Ramona Shellburn.
Genie Rol as governor of the Lakers is in writing.
Unlike Mark Cuban, who has a verbal, Hey, I'm gonna
(16:51):
stay owned. Herds is in writing, Shelborne believes Mark Walter
values Jennie Bus's ability to connect with the Lakers fan base,
brand and the leadership skilled. Walters similarly kept much of
the Dodgers' leadership in place when acquired to observe the
which employees he would build around. So he owns the Dodgers,
(17:12):
and we know since he's on the Dodgers, they bought
a couple of World series of the Lakers. You know,
Lakers were a little heather than to spend because they
didn't have a whole lot of money. Now they got major,
they got major bread. This should scare a lot of
people because first of all, this is Lakers. There's no
bigger band in basketball than the Lakers. And now they
got an owner that has deep, deep pockets. Indeed, he's
(17:34):
gonna be willing to go into the luxury tax even
the second ap from me, I dig in my pocket.
I ain't got no but some linen there. That's all
I got for you.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
And you know what Joe I was thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I was like, damn, I was trying to think, like
who I was like, I don't think the bus family
ever would ever sell the Lakers ten billion?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah? Yeah, that man were playing money.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Eine that money because you know, you coming to the table,
like why what about seven billion? See when you come
to the table and you spend and you basically spend
three point nine billion more than any franchise because the
Celtics you just sold for six point one So you say,
you know what, I will give you three point nine
more billion than what that team sold for. And that
(18:20):
team sold after they won the finals a championship. Hey, look,
he he know it's gonna be worth it. We're having
Braun and Luca there. You know, you got two major,
major superstars. Uh, and people are gonna be willing to
pay the price the ticket price to come check to
check the Lakers out.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So I feel like he felt like he got in
on a on a good deal. You know.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, he's been successful, you know in professional sport. So
to add the Lakers to it, man, that's yeah, you
add the Lakers to your portfolio. As you gotta feel
pretty good about that. Yeah, ain't look, you ain't gonna
get much bigger than that. Yeah, yeah, I thought so.
(19:08):
And that's a lot of he owns. He owns Uh.
So he owns the Lakers now the Dodgers Chelsea. Uh,
he owns an F one racing team, l A Sparks
and the Professional Women's Hockey League. And he's to see
(19:29):
goog googen him right. Oh yeah, Lord have mercy. Yeah
he finna he's finna put him. He's finna put him
in a different strategy field. Man. He you know, when
you got owners like that who willing to spend, you know, uh,
(19:52):
it ain't no limit to what they're willing to do
to Yeah, yeah man to make their team successful.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And like you said, he does have Luca. He has
two superstars on the team. So even when when Lebron
retires a year or two or whatever that is, he
still has Luca, who's a superstar.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
The Lakers have always had a superstar.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And I'm sure that they've all they they've all they've
If you go back, you're study the Lakers since they've
moved to LA. They had Baylor in West and then
they got Kareem and then they got Magic and then
they got you know, they had a once you know.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Magic retired.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Uh you know, well he's you know, had the HIV diagnosis.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Uh, he stepped away, they ended up.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Getting shot and then you know Kobe, Kobe was there,
so without for about a year or two, they was
without a superstar.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
And then Lebron comes.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And now when Lebron you know, transitions away to a
normal civilian life, you still got Luca. So for the
better part, since they've been in it, I mean since
they've been in LA, especially since the sixties, they've had
a superstar. And that's what if you're in l A Look,
LA is about superstars. It's really that simple. You go
back and look at the Dodgers, whether it was Colfax
(21:04):
or all the people that get the guys that they've had.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
That's what you need to think about this.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Uh, you know they're gonna bring they gotta bring them
guys some help. They gotta bring some help in the
LA meaning you know we talked about them always need
them big, you know, especially throughout this postseason. So I
expect this off season for the NBA to be one
to remember. And I can see the Lakers making a
big push for for for a big trade or something.
(21:32):
They gotta do something to get to get somebody in
there to help them guys. Man, especially if you want
to be if you want to be in contentions when
it comes down to the playoffs next.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Year because the West is too deep. The West is
too deep.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, to try to put that weight and that load
on strictly Lebron and Luca. They gonna need some help.
They need a big They really need a big bag.
I'm talking about it. I ain't just talking about somebody
just big, just big. I'm talking about somebody big that
you can count and say, Okay, every game I'm gonna
get I'm gonna get ten to fourteen from that person.
I'm gonna get somewhere seven to ten rebounds from that person. Uh,
(22:05):
you know, just having somebody that's because they sell them
foot tall in one game to give you ten. The
next game they give you cardio. That ain't gonna cut it.
That's really not h You need. You need a couple
of shooters, and you need a big. You need some consistency. Hey,
look a lot of room was floating around by a
lot of guys. Man, And uh, I'm looking forward to this,
(22:26):
to this free agency, to the draft. Obviously, I think
things were probably transpired before the draft, some of these trades,
and uh, I'm looking for the Lakers to make a
big splash.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
The draft is a twenty fifth. The drafting next Wednesday,
then yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Since speaking of trade, the Lakers and Jazz have reportedly
discussed the trade center around Rual Hotche, Murrow and John
Collins for Anthony Irwin. Many within the Lakers organization believe
Collins would be especially great fit alongside Luca.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
He could jump out the gym.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Since their seasons ended, they have had few conversation with
Utah to try to land the twenty seven year old,
big big man, with Rouy hotchim or offten the centerpiece
of the deal. Yeah, I like John Collins. He plays
here in Atlanta for a little while.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I think he'll be a great addition for those guys
because he offensively, you know, he can, he can score
it a little bit. Defensively, he's solid, and he'll be
a guy who can definitely take some pressure off those guys.
And you know, from night to night, any given night,
you know, he can have big nights, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yep, he can.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
He can give you twenty five points twelve rebounds on
any given night. And I think to have guys like that,
you know you're gonna need that throughout the throughout the
regular season and if you make it to the postseason,
to h to be lead, to be able to compete
in at Western Conference, man, you're gonna need you need
John Collins.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
You still may need a little more help though you
Oh for sure, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
But all things being equal, I probably would have rather
have Kessler. I'd rather have a big that can dominate
the paint because he's a he's a great rem protector,
he can block shots. He can be a lob threat
if needed. But I uh uh, that's that's look. John
Collins is a lob threat. He can make you know.
He like you said, he probably give you fifteen to
seventeen a night. But they really need a big. They
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need somebody a joe that can that can block shot,
that can protect the paint because when they go when
they go big and they have Ruy and Lebron playing
the four and the five of the five and the
four hive, you want to look at him.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
That's not enough. That ain't gonna win you. That that's
not gonna win your.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Championship with Lebron and Ruy Hotchimore playing four or five
or five.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
And four, it ain't. But the thing is it ain't many.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
It ain't many big guys out here, Like, dang, they
should have got that guy from Carolina, from Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
What's you think they can still get them Mark Williams.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, free Look look look what he he averaged, like
sixteen and ten for them.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, I know, but he don't.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Man, they gonna get They get a big to average
sixteen and ten. Oh they go, they going to the West,
the conference finals.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But he's on a bad team. You know he can
he do that with the Laker.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, you think he can ge And the expect expectations
is gonna be different, Joe, It's gonna be a lot different.
It's a lot different playing playing down there in Charlotte
with no with no ain't nobody watching, nobody watching. Man,
it's a little different. You could come out, you know,
play Lucy Goose and have fun. You get to l
a every game. You're gonna feel like you in the finals.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Almost. Well, what about DeAndre Ayton?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I like it. I like DeAndre Ayden here free agent? No,
but he probably could be had. Oh he's up, so
we do he have a three plus three plus an option.
It's a team option, a player option. Damn, it's been
that long since they wanted your finals.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Hey, uh, you t ain't trying to get off marketment
over there.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Laurd Oh nah, hell nah. You should try to build
around him, man. Yeah, well, he he's a good eight.
It's good because he has an expiring contract. He only
has this one this last year coming up, so he's
a prime cander. You know, they love NBA. They love
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getting these guys on the last last year of a deal, Joe,
because you're gonna because you know what you're gonna get
out of him.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
You're gonna get the best. You're gonna get the best
out of him.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You playing with he tried to get He tried to
he tried to get that Muller, He tried to get
that Spriller. You already know. Hey, no way, they give
it out nowadays. Boy, you being fool not to be
out there and give him your best. Oh yeah, yeah,
give him give him twenty and ten. That's that's forty men,
that's five years. That's for four year, five years, two
hundred meal. I like eight, and I think you can
even play through him a little bit, you know, from
Oh yeah, but I don't know if that's gonna happen.
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I know it's wish for thinking for you. You know
you'll you're fig Joe Swaggy p have a hot take
this morning. Tim Duncan, Spurs was not a dynasty team.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Man. I ran into him a few times.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Uh what was that two thousand and two. I was
playing with Marlberry, he was a point guard. We were
a seed playing against the Spurs, who was a one seed.
I think there was a Marius rookie year. Uh, we
played them and we won game one, Uncle san Antonio.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
But after that it was a rap whether A couple
of years later we get Steve Nash.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Obviously we're the best team in the league, and uh,
they beat us again like they have been in the way,
like the San Anto What do you mean they ain't
been a dynasty?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I was.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
But I want to know his definition. I mean you
figured you look at all the championships they won. They won,
and they.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Won in ninety nine, Yeah that's what they won. In
what three?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
They won in probably what five? They wanted seven? He
ain't said they was Swedish. So I want to know
what his definition is, Bro, you can be a dynasty. Look,
I think the thing is what happened. Unless you want
a three pet like the Laker, like a Shaton, Toby
or Jordan, you're not a dynasty. That's bullgyiin, No, they
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won fourtunes, they won four championships and at least a
ten year span.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
What is that? I would definitely call it a diner.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
How many teams, how many teams other than the Celtics,
the sixty Celtics can say they won four championships and
a ten year span. Basically, you looking at the Celtics
and you're looking at the Bulls. The Bulls won six
and an eight year span. But I'm trying to figure
out so who else, who else can say that?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Nobody? So I guess you. I guess you're gonna say
what you call what the dynasty the.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Warriors wars, not that I mean, but by his talking,
the Warriors was not a dynasty.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
He played And just because you don't win time, I guess.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You can say, well, they didn't because the Spurs they
never did win the title back to back but four
and ten years, so it might have been more than
shorter than that.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Ninety nine three oh five, Oh.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
No, they know, no, that'll be five I'm saying. But
it won four like a like an eight year span.
So ninety nine, three oh five and anyone what another
seven and seven?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
You know what it is? Yeah? What you know what
it is? Oh? They want yeah, bro, come on, bro,
they weren't they won four to eight.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Years because I from swaggering probably thinking like you know,
they wasn't exciting to watch. You know, no they're not.
They're broccoli fighting to watch. But you ain't good to you,
but it's good for you. They got it done, man,
they got it done. I don't care how you cut it.
I consider that. I definitely consider them a dynasty. Yeah
for sure. Oh yeah, yeah. Look you look at what
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they had. They got Tim Duncan, who's uh. You can
make a case that either top ten player of all
time with those accomplishments both offensively and defensively. You look
at Tony Parker and look how he did it with
the exception of Duncan. Did you actually think, well, they
got Tony Parker and they got Moneled Genobi. Do you
think at one point, what point in time did you say,
you know what, Marna, you know that he gonna be
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a Hall of Fame player. Tony Parker is gonna best
rude to be a finals MVP. There wasn't. They wasn't.
I mean, I understand that Parker was a first round pick,
but he wasn't highly acclaim. He wasn't no lot to
be picked. He wasn't think what Tony Parker like nineteen
twenty something. Hey, that was my draft.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That was old one.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
We came in together. But what break was Parker Parker's
like number twenty two or something like that. Yeah, yeah,
twenty eight, twenty eight. Yeah, that last, that's almost last
in the first round. Yeah, and Genoba was the second
round pick.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Because it's the system.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's the system they have that Pop has created, the
plug and play, you know, it's having that discipline, understanding
your play. Gotta players gotta play a certain way. Yeah,
understanding your role. And we ain't having no foolishness around here,
hear me. It ain't gonna be no foolishness. Hey, we're
gonna be led by by Tim Duncan, who has been
awesome since since he's came into the NBA. Playing next
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to David Robinson. Yeah, plug and play, baby plug, and
they had the luxury when Tim came Tim was a
grown up. Yeah, he spent four years in college. So
he wasn't eighteen, he wasn't nineteen, he wasn't twenty. He
was a full grown man. And he don't get that today.
And he conducted himself as a full grown man. And
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you know, coach Popovich and coach Belichick, they get along.
There a lot of light because Timmy allowed coach Pop
to coach him hard. Tom allowed coach Belichick to coach
him hard. So if your best player is getting coached hard,
how you think you're gonna get coached How can you
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complain when they don't complain?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Timmy never complained.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
And the thing was, and that's kind of what ended
up breaking the Spurs up because everybody up until Kawhi
allowed coach Pop to coach him a certain way. I
agree Kawhi was very une and why was different And
sometimes the best job sometimes as a cult, you have
to understand who you could ride and who you have
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to paddle on the back because you can't put your
foot in everybody's butt because some guys are buck right.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You say, look, you got to think about this too.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Before they got Tim Duncan, they were one of the
top teams in the NBA, and then I think they
had an injury. I don't know if David Robinson got
injured how they ended up getting and Tim Duncan. They
had them twin towers and it's like they were cheating.
But yeah, right, I thought Tim Duncan came into the
NBA and he was very mature, you know, for a rookie,
and yeah, you don't necessarily see that meaning you could
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play through him. He was so dominated at that power
forward position. It wasn't many guys who was stopping. No,
he understood the system. He played within the system, and
they dominated. They dominated. I think that was what the
lockout year when he came in. Yep, yeah, yep. So
you look at you got. You got David Robinson, Tim Duncan.
I mean, yeah to David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and I
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think Sean Elliott he's on that team. Yeah, yeah, they
there's some great veteran Avery Johnson.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
So you know, I mean, look, you got two tops.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
You got two top seventy five players with David Robinson
and Tim Duncan, even though Timmy was a rookie, right,
but he was mature. I think the last senior to
be number one overall was Kenyon Martin, which was the
next year.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, So now guys are coming out of freshman and
then at the one point in time, the guys you know,
Lebron and Dwight Howard didn't even go to college and
they were the number one overall. So you got to
go back twenty five twenty six years the last time
you had a senior be selected number one overall. Because
people look at to see, oh Joe now with the
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money being, they're like, bro, you that good? Why you
still in college? That ain't love even if you're a junior.
Bro you had, I mean, hold on you that good?
What you're still doing here? Hey? Because when I was
in college, that was the thing. It was like, man,
you stayed more than two years, they gonna think something
wrong with you.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Mm hm. And uh you know I got that uh.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
From the from the late great uh uh Wallace Praither
who coached to Atlanta Celtics out here in Atlanta when
I was when I was a junior high school, I
came out here and played with the Celtics, And that's
that's one thing he was telling, Man, you stay longer
than two years, they're gonna think something wrong with you. Nowadays,
you ain't getting there. It ain't gonna be no number
one pick as no senior no more. I know ain't
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gonna see that no more.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
No. And even with the nil then like cool flashes,
stay another Yeah for what, I ain't staying no more.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
His whole hit, The whole objective is get to the
end of the NBA or the NFL. Okay, if I
can collect five six eight million dollars and get and
get there in the same amount of time.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
No, all they did was speed up the process.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, my ability and the ability to enter into the
draft now it's different than the NFL because you can't
go before your junior year. But other than that, I'm
not waiting around. I'm trying to get to the bag
as soon as I possibly can. Yeah, because the sooner he.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Get in there and playing them get them two three years.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Up, they're gonna now they're gonna wlop him down, exactly, Joe.
There's been some drama recently surrounding future pick Ah Bailey.
Bailey reported canceled his pre draft workout with the Sixers.
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The Sixers have not ruled out selecting Bailey with the
number three overall pick in the twenty twenty five draft.
Team Phil Bailey has received poor advice during the pre
draft process after agent demanded payment for interviews. Ace Bailey
reported had Omar Cooper, the father of Sharif Cooper, representing
him as an agent. Bailey remains the only US best
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base prospect yet to visit any teams. Joe, if you
could offer, you went through this process, you played fifteen
plus years. What's some advice you would give As Bailey
if you could talk get his ear uh for me? Man,
I would tell him, at least, here's some of these
teams are you know, maybe maybe maybe the first few
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teams that's picking. Maybe he don't even want to be
drafted by you know what I mean. But I've had
a chance to see As Bailey play in high school
and in college. He is gonna be an elite pro
and maybe he knows and understands that.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
He probably knows understanding his work.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
But there is a process that we all have to
go through when we when we are trying to enter
the NBA draft. And I'm not sure what you know
his his agent is telling them or what they're thinking.
But if I'm Philly, man, it's gonna be hard to
pass him up. Yeah, mancuse Philly, that three, That man
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got a whole lot of game man, and I.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Could see him fitting in seamlessly.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
With you know, uh Tyrese, Tyrese Aliburton.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, you hope, you get hope you can get and be.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Back healthy, Tyrese, max In the MB, Tyree's Baxen, not
Halibert's say Helabern, Maxic m B and even Paul George.
I think you know they gotta they gotta and they
got some great young pieces over there too already. But
he can flat out score that ball man. He can fly. Yeah, McCain,
I think McCain got hurt. McCain, he got hurt. So
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I thought Philly dealt with a lot of injuries. But
add him to that man, that that's that's a good look.
He can play all well. I understand Keavin Mavericks ain't
working anybody out but Cooper flag So you aren't gonna
work out for them anyway now too, san Antonio at
three Philly, because you look, san Antonio.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Got a lot of guards already.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
You know, they got they got a castle, they got vassal,
they got a what's the other, uh, Sir Sean d
Aaron Fox, The likelihood of them going because how.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Tall is he a guard? Here? Yeah, he can. He
gonna play this too.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
He about six eight, about six eighth, so okay, he
he uh, he do a little bit everything.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
He's sixteen, Joe.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I ain't I didn't stand next to him, but from
what I've seen, the man jump ball, he played the point,
he did everything. He can rebound outside of his area
like and not only that, like he has.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
A pro game already the way he plays.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
If you gonna look at when he played at Rutgers, like,
look at the shots that he took, like that man
is a hell of a shot maker.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
So in the pros, that's what you're looking for. You
looking for guys who can make tough shots. He's gonna
be a great pro man regardless of where you go.
But uh, if Philly passed up on him at the
at the three spot, they gonna probably regret that. Yeah,
he tried. He tried to pull a Charles Barker. Charles
Barker said they wanted him at like two eighty. Charles said, bad, Philly,
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go check take me. And they ain't got no money
till about paying me fifty thousand he said, Man, I
ain't leave all but for fifty thousands, he said, bad.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I went the Seals.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Little had be like three people, had two baked potatoes,
all that bread.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I waited at two ninety nine, like we still go
draft you fast as Look. I wonder is it that
he don't want to go to Philly? Uh?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Maybe, but I'm surprised consider that h Rutgers is I
mean Jersey right down, I mean you right down the road.
But he probably won't. He probably want that instant, that
instant uh uh uh, you know, productivity when he coming
to the NBA. You know, if he go to Philly,
you know, it's still a pecking order. You know, Oh
he's joeling b Yeah, I don't care how good he played,
it's still gonna be a pecking order.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Well. Hell, he ain't worked out for nobody, Joe, I know.
So I don't know. I give me the top five,
give me the top five spot.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I know Mavericks got one, san Antonio got to Philly
got three, who got four and five? I think Hunt
has got the fourth pick, Charlotte has four.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
You taed. He ain't really trying to go to another
of them? Now, hen't to be out of Joe. He
ain't really try to go another deal, but I want
you on that.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
It looks but if I'm him, Charlotte might not be
a bad spot. Meaning it is this Charlotte. It's gonna
be bad. But look, they gotta get some playoffs. They
need more players around LaMelo. You already got Melo over there,
and Brandon Miller, and you add a Bailey with that.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Man.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
That's what he afraid of. He said, I don't want
to get added to that. I would have get some
tracted from that. See you try to do addition. I've
tried to do some tracks. But he gonna be able
to put up them numbers that he probably, you know,
thinking about putting up. You over there with the hornets,
you better put up some numbers. Your numbers will be
better over there then they gonna be in Philly. A
if if a tree falls in the forest and nobody
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hears it, doesn't make it sound you scoring thirty in Charlotte.
Look at Mello Melo average twenty five, twenty six in Charlotte.
The ain't nobody paying no attention to it. That's because
they got a win man. You got them in them markets.
You gotta win in order to be to get some notoriety,
you gotta win. Okay, yeah, yeah, eighth baby. One of
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the promise for the Sixers before agreed to meet with them,
per Jason Domus promise to what he promised?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
What he said that if he if he goes and
visits to him.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
He wanted to promise I promise him say yeah, bro,
you know question, we're gonna drave you.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
And then like no, we're not gonna drive him. Oh
so they wanted a promise. He wanted a promise.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, he probably felt like he number one pick worthy.
But obviously you know you ain't getting that. They're gonna do.
Maverick's gonna take Cooper fe Mavick taking Cooper Cooper Flag
And maybe in any other draft that might have been
a possibility. But after Cooper Flag did what he did
on the US elect team and then the type of season.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
That he had, a duke, wouldn't nobody going in front
of that kid? Man.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Let me tell you something, dude, this dude is gonna
be a hell of a pro man. I'm not saying
that did not, but he gonna go in front of the
Cooper of Flag. He ain't going in front the Cooper flag.
I understand that, but where he do go I think
it does make a difference. Uh Now, I know, I say,
you know, Philly, Philly shouldn't pass up on him. But
if the way him and his agent is probably thinking
at this point, like, man, we want to get you
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into a situation to where where you can play right away.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
So maybe maybe they maybe they turned Philly down because
they do want.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
To go to uh uh all of that elsewhere. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Somebody might shoot up the board. But if I'm Charlotte,
I ain't passing it right. You can't cause you got
you got Dylan Harper. I don't think Dylan Harper Gordon
and san Antonio because they got a boat, little guards
to begin with, the last thing, the last thing Dylan
Harper need is is a is to be in San
Antonio with Fox, with Stefan Castle, with so Sean.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Who do you think they gonna take with that number two?
That number two pick?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Then you think they're gonna you gonna think they're gonna
take Dylan Harper?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, I do. I think they're gonna really yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Nah, I trade say a Phoenix, I traded give me
Kevin Durant, and that's why I think is gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
That's that's that's that's not you know, I think I
think at the end that at.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
The end of I think Durant is gonna probably end
up going to the Spurs and that's probably gonna send
Dylan Harper probably the Phoenix. Because I think the thing is, Look,
I would love to see k D and Houston with
with Aarmen Thompson and Shing.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Gooon you bring you bring Van Fleet back.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
So because I think the thing that hurt Houston and
Layton games, they ain't got nobody can give it to
see what KD.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
You got somebody that you can give it to Layton games.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Shing Gooon is an All NBA select I mean he
went to the All Star Game this year.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Arm and Thompson. It's a he's rising.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
He coming, Yeah, play tremendous defense, can go get buckets.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
You got a four floord general and Van Fleet that's
won a championship, knows what it takes to win. I
like that they got great pieces. I mean they were
the number two CD yep. The thing else I'll be
willing to give you one. I give you your Barsmith Junior.
I'll give you Jalen Green, but you can't have both
of them for k D. Yeah, i'll give you. I'll
give you one of them and at a first in
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our first round pick Phoenix gone go on both of them. No,
can't do. They've they've already come down on the asking price.
Because the thing is is that you're looking at a
situation where they're like, well man, Desmond Bane went for
X amount of picks, but Desmond Bank, No, he's not
the player that Kevin Durant is. But he's probably seven
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to ten years younger than Kevin Durant and doesn't have
the history of being injured like Kevin Durant. And Orlando
was indeed of some shooting yet and some defense on
the forerima. Now, yeah, they needed so it's probably they
probably more likely over you know, over compensated for him.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
But they and they had a boat.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
But the thing Yil Joe, they're on a handful of
teams that had a boatloader pick that could throw out them.
San Antonio got a boat little picks, Orlando had a
boatlottle picks. Brooklyn got a boatload of picks. So they
got Okay, see, so you got ten first round picks,
so who'll killed a heck if you give up four
of them? And we're looking at with Paulo Bank, Caro Franz, Wagner,
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Desmond Bang, Jlem Suggs, we gonna be winning, and so
that ain't gonna be no lot of the picks anyway.
So that's why we left him up protected because you're
gonna be picking in the twitter, right, we don't need
to protect nothing to twenty right, and I feel like
Orlando feel like they time can be now. It can't
be right, you know, because looking at the it's why
JT's hurt. He's gonna be gone for at least a year.
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Ah Man Durank going to he going to San Antonio. Yeah,
he gonna saying because they you're right, they not gonna,
They not gonna. I can't really see a rookie helping
san Antonio get to where they're trying to get to
at this point because they got so many, they got.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Enough young player.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Hell, we'll be only the third really, women will really
be a second year because you got he ended up.
He played less than half the year, so now he's
coming back. You got Castle, who was a rookie last year. Yeah,
you got some veteran guys. You got Dearon Foxing, you
got Shashan and you got Vassals Kelton Johnson.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
You got some guys. But do you really think.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
A rookie is gonna come and look, I mean in
order to like I said, think about the rookies that's
helped win a championsh.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, you got Magic Johnson, you got Tim Duncan, and.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
That's Look, but that's that's that's kind of why I'm
I'm I'm like when you look at Dallas them taking
Cooper Flag, you think Cooper Flag gonna be able to
get them back to the finals?
Speaker 1 (46:17):
He too good to fight, He too good to u
His projection says, he's too good to pass up.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I don't know, man, it's it's it's gonna be Uh,
it's gonna be interesting next this this next week is
gonna be pretty interesting. I think we're gonna see a
lot of guys moving around and uh, obviously Durant is
probably gonna be one of the first guys, you know,
to to to join a new team. And whatever team
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he joins, H, we know they gonna be favorite. They
gonna be one of the favorites anyway, for sure. Uh,
what does Fridges is start because you can have I
think they got a tampering period in July.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
They can start with your fifth July seven or June thirty. Wow, yeah,
so hell eleven days.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yes, so it's gonna be so small theah yeah, yeah,
Fin's gotta get some draft capitol back. But they really
want a good. They want a good They want at
least one of two players that can come in and play.
Right now, Hey, if you just send him to Houston,
you get Green and Jabari Smith Jr. I don't think
(47:34):
they'll give up both of them. Joe, You don't think so, man,
I think they give up one. They weren't really playing
Japari like that though. No, No, they weren't really playing.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Them like that.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
And I feel like if you send him to Phoenix,
they'll put him in a spot the word he can
flourish rak and succeed, yeah and reach his his What
about Jaalen Green de Phoenix? Because him and him and
Book is the same type of a guy, I mean,
I mean phantasy. The part they need to get Book
off the ball, let Book go back there is to
let Book do what book does Chris Paul was, I
(48:06):
don't know why they got rid of think about this though,
if Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Do get Jalen Green, ain't you got Bradley Beal already? That?
But what we're doing? Yeah? True? So Jabari Smith will
be the one they want. Yeah so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Man insider Jake Fisher believe Durant is going to Miami.
Joe what can I'm just trying to figure out what
can Miami offer that the Sun?
Speaker 1 (48:31):
That? What can they offer the Sun?
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Well? I mean, you got two players, and you don't
want to give up either one of them. You don't
want to give up Bama. You don't want to give
up Tyler Hero. Well, if your action price don win down,
do you have some picks? Let me think of a
couple of players you can throw all. They ain't got
no picks. I know Duncan, Robinson, Hot Smith, Hoimi, Howkas Hobvid.
(48:56):
That's why I can't see him going to Miami, because
they ain't really got nothing. They gonna give up guys,
You're gonna try to keep them. So you compare them
with KD. I don't see him going to Miami. Do
you think let's just say for the sake of argument
for this discussion, he goes to Miami or Miami automatically
contending with him Bam and Tyler Hero.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah in the East, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Uh oh they got they got they got my young
boy over there, kel A whare he got?
Speaker 1 (49:23):
You got some value in him?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Six eleven seven foot You know he played great this
year for.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
The Miami Heat.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Okay, but yeah if he if Durank go to Miami, yeah,
they gonna be one of the favorites for sure. I
think the thing is what happened was matt ishber Ishpa
I know went to what I went to the WNB
All Star Game, had an opportunity to have some good
conversation with it.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
I think the thing is like when you come in,
I'm gonna win. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh I'm winning. I'm waring.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
And he made some moves that and you're like, you
go back and look at like, if you got Katie,
do you really need Bradley? Beal right, you probably need
to go get somebody the baby, Go get a big
or get somebody that can defend, because you got a
bunch of guys that can score and to defend on
a nightly basis, you gotta have the you gotta be
able to defend. Look at the two teams that's in
the final. They got wings that can defend. Yeah, you
(50:13):
got Nie Smith, you got them hard, you got set defend,
you got math Ron, you got guys that can defend.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
And obviously we know what you got.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Okay, see with those winging guys, so you got all
this offense and you don't got the thing was with Phoenix,
they couldn't stop anybody. Yeah, they they could score, but
if it's a nip tuck ball game, now, guess what
they're getting. Their positions are a lot easier than yours. Yeah,
I thought it was a pretty good risk. I think
(50:43):
the guys that you put around those three, meaning Devin, Booker,
Bill and Durant, I think that's the key. You need
guys surrounding those guys who are like blue collar, hard
working guys and kind of let them guys just kind of,
you know, obviously play but you know score, but uh,
you need guys who understand their role man, and they
(51:04):
just ain't had I don't feel like they had the
right pieces around me.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
I spent all the money on the house, so the
furniture gonna be ish. Hey, look ip over budget as
it is, Joe, i'p over a budget as it is.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Look you, I'm telling you I'm the guy. Joe. I
got a house.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
My agent, my financial people said, okay, Shallon, I wanted
the house in Atlanta. Came to Freak Naked ninety two
ninety three, called my agent before I left. I said, man,
I moved to I thought you wanted the houses about.
I said, man, didn't I tell you y'all want a
house house? Somebody find me the house in Atlanta. So
they said, at the time, I think I was making
(51:40):
bout seven think I'll make it by six hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
So they say, okay, you know you're supposed to get
a house.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
You get a house, that's your salary, you know, whatever
half of your salary. So I was like, okay, this
say Shannon for twenty five, you know, and for twenty five.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
All right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
So the first house the lady showed me, actually it
was Sugar Ray Leonards ex wife.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
What need us? It was her old house.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
I walked in there. It was in Buckhead. Because I
was gonna look at Buckhead. I was looking she stopped
being Buckhead. Then I was going to Stone Mountain, then
I was going to Alphareto.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Okay, yeah, But in the.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
House, I walked around, saw that marble, all that, all
that radio, saw the fireless staircase. John's like, ooh this night.
She said, oh, wait, do you see down? You know,
down got a finished basement. I said, really, I ain't
never seen no baby before. Joe, I'll be there, Joe,
excuse me. I go downstairs, three thousand square foot finished basement.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
So now she's like, okay, this is the first house.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I was saying to myself, I don't want to see
nothing new, yo, I don't want to see nothing else.
I'm good, I'm good. She said, no, we we got
some other houses we go to see. I said, okay, man,
the mother houses and they were really nice. It was
all like she was showing me our house. I said,
I want to go back. So I said, let's go
back to the first house. I cut, I cut to.
(53:06):
I saw one. I saw one in bathfrenda and I
saw one in them and marry yea. I said, let's
go back to the first house. I asked nothing and
I saw one in the stole out. I said, let's
go back to that first house.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
She drove me. She took me back to the first house.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
I said, yeah, yeah, I didn't know that my people
had already told her the budget.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Yeah, then damn budget and went out the door.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
I'm one hundred and eighty thousand over budget, Joe, I
had a for two years.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I had a bed and a TV. You adn't putting
some funds in there? Why I don't put it in
that with Yeah, that's spend dollar money in the house.
You can get I ain't get in. No furniture. I ain't.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Hey, somebody come up, Hey, Joe, somebody come over. They
can fit the living room and go see down on
the floor watching TV.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
That's it. That's all I add. So that's the thing
with you with Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
You got Kadie, you got a bill, you got booked,
you got out a scr. But you got in is furniture.
You ain't got nothing. And and that's why they look
the way they've looked. You can't.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
They ain't even made.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
They ain't made the play in so they gotta hey, look,
so we one thing we do know is they more
than likely or they are gonna trade durant.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yes, they got a book. Can't going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
And it doesn't seem like because he has a no
trade I mean, let's let this sink in. Bradley Bill
and Lebron James are the only two players that have
a no trade clause.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Hey, so now he control it. You can't trol it,
you can't get trade it. He was like, yeah, I
wan't gonna trade you. No, I'm not going there all
right because I think they we want to go damn
because they wanted to get off Bill, but they can't.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
They can't. They can't, so they gotta make it work.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
So that's why I say, ye, you gotta If from Phoenix,
I'm going with some young guys who have proven that
you know, they can play in this league.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Aston for me, Houston would be oh Houston.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Yeah, because you I'm saying, if you can get back
Green and Parker Jabari Parker like no, Smith, Jabari Smith Jr. Man,
that's that'll help your team. Yeah, for sure, that'll help
your team. Now, the problem you're gonna have because both
of those guys love to score, and you got Bradley
Beal with Devin Booker and Jalen Green, you know you
(55:43):
might be back in the.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Same position he was in.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
You're gonna be in the same spot. But you do
have a big, active, big uh he got. He's gotta eat.
He's gonna need to get a little better. I think
he will a little bit, a little bit more bricks
in his pocket. I think, you know, his limited playtime
because you had Shing Goon playing so well. But it's
gonna be interesting to see how this thing played out.
(56:05):
The one thing we do know, they want to move
Kevin Durant. They tried to move back to the trade deadline,
and He's like, Noah, let me go ahead and stay
here because I come with a lot, yeah, you know,
you know, and I'm gonna need some time to integrate.
You know, I'm gonna need some some camps and some
you know, some uh preseason to get into the floor
of things. But man, if he goes to San Antonio,
(56:28):
that's gonna be cheating again. Yeah, him and Winby and
Castle and Deer and Fox, san Antonio gonna be right back, yeah,
because they got that mean Look, okay, see got the picks.
He's not going to Okay, see Brooklyn got the picks.
He's not going to Brooklyn. San Antonio got picks. Houston
(56:52):
got some picks and they got some players. See Houston
have Houston and San Antonio have picks and players.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
That's why I think this is gonna be one of
them two teams. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
He already said he wanted to go to what Texas
or team with no state tax?
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yep, Texas. Uh the Spurs rockets heat.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
There you go. I don't see the heat. I don't
see the heat happening. I don't think they got enough.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
I don't. I don't either. I don't either.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
But uh, to help Phoenix, you know, fulfill anything to
get to get back some that's worth the value for
Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
So I don't really see that in Miami. I don't
see it. The volume
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Tell on, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining
us for another episode of Nightcap.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We got a game seven.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Game six wasn't really that interesting, especially if you're a
Thunder fan.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
But Indiana came to play tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
There was a lot of speculation of whether or not
Tyrese Haliburton would play.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Not only did he play, he played extremely well.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
But again it was the bench TJ McConnell Obie topping
that got them going and they did not look back.
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and it's in the Fountain Blue and so I got
an opportunity to go by there and I spoke to
Tom briefly.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Last night.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Saw some I saw whose Reggie Jackson was their stateman
Oprah's significant other wanted me to tell ohow he loved
Ohoe and I on the show he watches all the time.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
He loves Club Sha Shay.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I say, you think you might get your you know,
the pot that have come on to see you boy
on Club He laughed.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
But uh, but it was great.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And if you're in every in Vegas and you get
an opportunity to check it out, it's in the Fountain Blue.
It's called the Hall of Excellence, and it's narrated by
Morgan Freeman, and they have a lot of things up there,
and so when you hit click on the button, it'll
starts speaking to you and tell you the significance of
what you're actually looking at. John Madden Peas, they got
(03:02):
stuff from l Way, Greg Maddox, I mean, it's an
unbelievable you got this obviously when Tom is you know,
they got Tom one hundredth anniversary jacket or he's one
of the one hundred best players in NFL history. They
got Super Bowl ring, they got a lot of stuff
up there. I mean, just unbelievable. Coach and Belichick's hoodie,
one of the Lombardi Trophies. So if you're ever in Vegas,
(03:24):
and you got some spare time, go spend ten fifteen
minutes in there.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
You'll be glad you did. So. Thank you Hall of
Excellence for having me over there. Last night.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
All right, Joe, the Pacers beat the Thunder, so we
do have a game seven on Sunday one eight to
ninety one. Nobody, I mean really, no one from the
Thunder played really well. Thunder had five turnovers in the
second quarter, I mean first quarter. Seven in the second quarter,
so they had twelve turnles at the half. Obi Topping
(03:54):
had four three pointers. The Thunder starters had won. This
is the best we see. Look Pacers to play some
really good basketball this postseason. Joe, But tonight the way
they swarmed, they for shade eight turnovers seven to fifteen
(04:14):
oh one, seven of eight, but for turnovers minus seventeen
and thirty one minutes. Jalen Williams, who coming up that
had a forty point game the other night, played sensational.
He was minus forty and the plus minus six or
thirteen oh four, four or five and only twenty seven minutes.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Joe. TJ.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
McConnell is the first bench player in NBA history sixty
plus points, twenty five plus assists, fifteen plus rebounds, and
then in the NBA Finals he's doing this offer and
when you look at him, I know they said they
looking at it, Joe, They looking at it, Jose about bad.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I will cook old boy. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And the next day, you know, Eden told you look
at it, and he's like, damn well. TJ got deep
even us tonight. Joe, what did you like about what
you saw from the Pacers, because there were a lot
of uncertain dys Tyreese Halliburton gonna play if he doesn't play,
can win without him? If he does play, how you
know how liberty would he be? What did you like most?
What impressed you most about Indiana? Man haller Berry pulling
(05:11):
our leg? Is he pulling our leg?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Man? Come on now?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah something hey? But anyway, uh, I thought Indiana played great.
I thought that, you know, to get off to a
good start. I thought, okay, see started the game off
pretty good. I was like, okay, they look he's gonna
put these boys away. They ain't gonna play with him
and man as soon as they start. As soon as
Indiana started subbing, TJ came in. I think his energy,
(05:35):
his effort is so infectious to the other teammates that
they feed off that.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Now is he the guy? No, he's not the.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Guy, but the energy and effort that he plays with
you can't substitute for that.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Man. He's making plays on both ends of the court.
I thought.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Offensively, it's almost like OKAYC was like, Okay, we're gonna
let TJ. If he gonna be if he gonna turn
into AI and score all the points, we just gonna
play him one on one and we're gonna let were
gonn't let him score as much as he can. But defensively,
he was swarming. You know, you got you get these
other guys involved, and it's like they were like two
or three steps faster than ok C the knife for
whatever reason. You know, after after probably the first couple
(06:13):
of minutes, it's like Indiana took over Man.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
They never looked back.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
They killed them in every quarter except you know, the
fourth quarter, the last quarter where yet don't count because
they were down thirty going into the fourth. Man, it
was it was a sight to see I hadn't seen
Okay see play like this a lot throughout this postseason,
and to see every guy in that starting lineup with
negatives plus minus negatives by their name, Uh Indiana just
(06:38):
had more more It's like more resilience to night.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
They knew what was they say.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Obviously they didn't want them boys to close them out
on their home floor, and they played like it to night.
It was a great game. Absolutely, Yeah, boy, Joe, I
thought they played. I thought they played a great game.
I thought they energy and effort was there. Defensively, they
were swarming. They killed him in every category, meaning every
whether it was rebottom out see it still it's like blocks. Okay,
(07:03):
see had no chance, they had no chance. They looked
when they got down. I hadn't seen, like I said,
I hadn't seen Oka See looked like that, you know
throughout this postseason. But when they got down, they looked
like they didn't have what it what it took to
come back, and uh Indiana just kept pulling it, kept
pulling it. So I give a lot of credit obviously
to they bench, who has been tremendous. Indiana's bench has
(07:25):
been great. You know, throughout this whole postseason. You look
at Topping with twenty points, TJ with twelve, and they
just had a bunch of guys chip in Man and defensively.
I thought, this is probably one of the best outputs
they did that they put out, you know, pretty much
throughout this whole postseason.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It didn't start off very well because I think they
missed like their first eight shots. I mean they were
they were rushing and seemed like everybody wanted to make beat,
make make their the run by themselves to make okay
See give up. But once they got it going, boy,
they got it going, they couldn't stop them, Joe. I
mean they and all of a sudden they couldn't make
it three. Now, all of a sudden they couldn't miss
(08:02):
a three. And once they got it Florida me, I
was like, man, Indiana's played extremely well. But then they
allowed okay See to cut it to close it, and
I was like, damn.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Okay okay See finished this quarter.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I was strong because it's always okay, how do we start,
then how do we finish? You're always trying to close
out a quarter, end of the first, going into half,
going it into the four, you know, the third, going
into the fourth, and I thought okay See did a
very good job of that.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But man, when they started that second quarter.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
They opened up a can on them, Joe, they opened
up a can on them, And you're absolutely right. Jayalen Williams,
who came out for forty point effort in Game six,
he has the lowest plus minus and finals game in
the play by play era. He was minus forty. Now
he's gonna be looking to get that get back on Sunday.
(08:55):
I don't think Shade's gonna play as bad as he played.
Shade have played that bad. It was just hard. The
shot that he normally would make he didn't get through.
He didn't get that bounce tonight. But I just think
it was again you look at it sixteen ten, seventeen, fourteen,
twenty twelve. The six guys in double figures again. You
know they normally keep five, six guys in double figures.
(09:15):
Some casually they'll speak a seventh guy in there and
get him in double figure. Miles Turner didn't play his
you know, only one field goal tonight, one of nine
from the floor, all three from the three, one of
two from the free throw line. But you know, Man
Siakam was good, Nie Smith was good, nim Hard Tyre's
Halliburton was sensational.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Obi Topping was sensational. TJ. McConnell. I mean, what do
you say about it?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I mean, I mean he's the I en the job
of Bunny And I thought in the second quarter of
what they did is they played him and Haliburton together. Yeah,
I thought, I Hallerburton didn't really have a problem with
him having the ball.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
He didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I just Holly looked like he was a step fast
today than he was in Game five. Yeah, and for me,
damn they man, they put up a performance against OKC today.
You look at uh, you look at Caruso. He had
many points as me and you had to night. Yeah, yeah,
(10:11):
he got some cardio in. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
They can't.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
They can't win without their bench contributing unless Shay and
and and Williams go off.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
But man, it's just look look at check Hungwark like
it's just I don't know, man, they seemed a little
disinterested once they got down.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
They just could not get back in the game.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Once Indiana one of them, one of their big run
and kind of separated themselves. You I thought that okay
C had a run them, especially the second half, but Indiana, well,
they were they were flaming. Man, they was going, they
were going. You couldn't. You couldn't slow them down. I'm
saying about everybody on their team was scoring, defensively, were
in tune, and they just seemed like a well or
engine knight who could not be stopped. And that's uncharacteristic
(10:52):
of OKC, especially defensively.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Uh s g a eight turnovers to assist time for
the host turnovers in a game six in finals history.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
You know, like I said he did, he didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
He didn't couldn't get his offensive game going, and he
couldn't get anybody well, I don't know if he couldn't,
No one could make shots. Eight turnovers like I said,
they had twelve at the half. They did a great
job when he turned his back CJ. Mcconnells looking at
the pick his pockets. Uh, they gave him a lot
of different looks tonight. They did a great job, but
they knew had to do a great job or else
they were going home.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
And look, no one wants to lose.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It's not easier losing or you lost as a low
But are you I damn sure don't want you to
celebrated on my court.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I don't want you celebrated. You know, all my fans
done gone home.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Everybody disappointed, and a handful of fans that y'all got
in there, they said, yeah, and y'all dappling them up,
y'all drinking champagne.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Ah nah, hell nah.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Hey, Look, I think I think Indiana really fed off
the crowd, especially a lot of them old venturing guys
who've been on a round played for them.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, Regide Miller was there, Ronal tests.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, coming back showing them guys love and you know
that's a that's an extra incentive, meaning you know, you
don't wanna lose on your home court like that, and
had him got celebrated, And I thought they played like
I mean from the obviously, after the first what three
four minutes they settled in, they started making shots, and
it was a rap. Halibert didn't even look like he
had Andrew that night the way he was did not.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
He did not, But I thought he did a better
job of getting to a spot.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
He's a right handed I was watching the thing today
and they tuck tracking where he shoots the ball from. Yeah,
prior to the night, he had only made like one
or two shots from in their playoffs, and on the
left side, so he must have seen all this stuff
is to the right. Yeah, he must have seen it too,
because he started making some shots. Hey, he making some
shots over there on their left side. Man, he did, Hey, hey,
(12:40):
this game seven, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I know, I know. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I would not be shocked at the Pacers because I
believe if we talked about this Joe in game six,
I believe Rick Carlile should have went with a TJ
McConnell once he was Tyreez Haliburton was getpy.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I think he should have rolled.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I think he should have rode TJ McConell a little more,
a little longer. He went back, and I get it.
It's a veteran guy. You know, he's the said of
your team. But that night he didn't have it and
TJ was playing extremely well.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
But you're right.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think that two day rest gave Hi an opportunity
to get a lot of treatment, get that thing massaged out.
He kept it warm, and now guess what they got
it They got too.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
They got twenty four forty eight.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
They got about sixty plus hours before they play again,
so he gets treatment all the way. What you think
they'll lead tonight and they'll lead to Mars. They don't
play until Sunday. They probably gonna leave. They probably gonna
leave Saturday. You don't think they'll leave Saturday. Do you
think that least Saurday will have a shoot around in
the India and then go probably.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So, man, this is it. I mean, like, I don't
know what else you gotta tell your team. This is it.
This is the last game of the season, well the season.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So I feel like Rick Carlis that are awesome job
this postseason with these guys. And I think these guys
are gonna be out for this challenge knowing that you know, uh,
they hadn't played terribly in Okay, see, they have it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
They've been in games. Remember they ended up winning Game one. Yeah,
they won Game one.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So they feel that they feel if you win one
time that Joe, you know, you feel you can win again.
Hey man, you just got to be better than them
in this last game, and it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I think this is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
This's gonna be one one to remember because, uh, you know,
okayc obviously we didn't talked about them being a dynasty.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
They understand what's this stake.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You got guys who didn't play well to night, who
are obviously gonna be looking to have a bounce back
game in a major way. I can't I can't believe
they had a performance like this from okay, see, I
ain't gonna lie. Yeah, they seemed a little a task
lord tonight. Or maybe the Pacers played with a little
bit more pepp in their step, but they did seem
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to have a little bit more bounce. And once the
the lid was taken off the basket, I thought the
Pacers started to put it in there at a high clip.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
And now you get one shot, you miss.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
They go down on another to make and I say
it like again, they close out the first quarter good,
but any started at first that second quarter that was
on fire.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
And they didn't look back.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And then the end of the third you have Shepherd
hit that shot and it's up thirty. Yeah, and you
see Dagnaut, he raised the white flags and okay, we'll
see you, okay, see for game seven. Look just from
the hustle points alone for me, you know, they kind
of determined, you know who wanted more. And yep, I
mean they just beat them in every fancy of the
game man, and that's uncharacteristic of Oklahoma City Thunder team,
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who has been you know, tremendous throughout this whole and
not just this regular season but the postseason.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So to see them get beat like this, damn, it's tough.
It is. It really is.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Joe the Bus family, and it's been in their family,
the Lakers. It's been in their family since what in
nineteen seventy nine, winning doctor Jerry Buss purchased the team
from Jack Kent Cook, who was the owner of the
Washington football team that were not the football team then
the Commanders, but we know who they were, but and
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he purchased that from them. So Mark Walter, who also
owns the Dodgers, he owns a soccer Premier team is
a Chelsea what is it done?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I think he owns a sig.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
But anyway, he had a lot of money and he
purchased the majority ownership for evaluation of approximately ten billion dollars,
the largest sale of a professional sports franchise in the world.
Jeannie will still act as the governor per Ramona Shellburn.
Genie Rol as governor of the Lakers is in writing.
Unlike Mark Cuban, who has a verbal, Hey, I'm gonna
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stay owned. Herds is in writing, Shelborne believes Mark Walter
values Jennie Bus's ability to connect with the Lakers fan base,
brand and the leadership skilled. Walters similarly kept much of
the Dodgers' leadership in place when acquired to observe the
which employees he would build around. So he owns the Dodgers,
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and we know since he's on the Dodgers, they bought
a couple of World series of the Lakers. You know,
Lakers were a little heather than to spend because they
didn't have a whole lot of money. Now they got major,
they got major bread. This should scare a lot of
people because first of all, this is Lakers. There's no
bigger band in basketball than the Lakers. And now they
got an owner that has deep, deep pockets. Indeed, he's
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gonna be willing to go into the luxury tax even
the second ap from me, I dig in my pocket.
I ain't got no but some linen there. That's all
I got for you.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
And you know what Joe I was thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I was like, damn, I was trying to think, like
who I was like, I don't think the bus family
ever would ever sell the Lakers ten billion?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah? Yeah, that man were playing money.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Eine that money because you know, you coming to the table,
like why what about seven billion? See when you come
to the table and you spend and you basically spend
three point nine billion more than any franchise because the
Celtics you just sold for six point one So you say,
you know what, I will give you three point nine
more billion than what that team sold for. And that
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team sold after they won the finals a championship. Hey, look,
he he know it's gonna be worth it. We're having
Braun and Luca there. You know, you got two major,
major superstars. Uh, and people are gonna be willing to
pay the price the ticket price to come check to
check the Lakers out.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So I feel like he felt like he got in
on a on a good deal. You know.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, he's been successful, you know in professional sport. So
to add the Lakers to it, man, that's yeah, you
add the Lakers to your portfolio. As you gotta feel
pretty good about that. Yeah, ain't look, you ain't gonna
get much bigger than that. Yeah, yeah, I thought so.
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And that's a lot of he owns. He owns Uh.
So he owns the Lakers now the Dodgers Chelsea. Uh,
he owns an F one racing team, l A Sparks
and the Professional Women's Hockey League. And he's to see
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goog googen him right. Oh yeah, Lord have mercy. Yeah
he finna he's finna put him. He's finna put him
in a different strategy field. Man. He you know, when
you got owners like that who willing to spend, you know, uh,
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it ain't no limit to what they're willing to do
to Yeah, yeah man to make their team successful.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And like you said, he does have Luca. He has
two superstars on the team. So even when when Lebron
retires a year or two or whatever that is, he
still has Luca, who's a superstar.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
The Lakers have always had a superstar.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And I'm sure that they've all they they've all they've
If you go back, you're study the Lakers since they've
moved to LA. They had Baylor in West and then
they got Kareem and then they got Magic and then
they got you know, they had a once you know.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Magic retired.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Uh you know, well he's you know, had the HIV diagnosis.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Uh, he stepped away, they ended up.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Getting shot and then you know Kobe, Kobe was there,
so without for about a year or two, they was
without a superstar.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
And then Lebron comes.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
And now when Lebron you know, transitions away to a
normal civilian life, you still got Luca. So for the
better part, since they've been in it, I mean since
they've been in LA, especially since the sixties, they've had
a superstar. And that's what if you're in l A Look,
LA is about superstars. It's really that simple. You go
back and look at the Dodgers, whether it was Colfax
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or all the people that get the guys that they've had.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
That's what you need to think about this.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Uh, you know they're gonna bring they gotta bring them
guys some help. They gotta bring some help in the
LA meaning you know we talked about them always need
them big, you know, especially throughout this postseason. So I
expect this off season for the NBA to be one
to remember. And I can see the Lakers making a
big push for for for a big trade or something.
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They gotta do something to get to get somebody in
there to help them guys. Man, especially if you want
to be if you want to be in contentions when
it comes down to the playoffs next.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Year because the West is too deep. The West is
too deep.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, to try to put that weight and that load
on strictly Lebron and Luca. They gonna need some help.
They need a big They really need a big bag.
I'm talking about it. I ain't just talking about somebody
just big, just big. I'm talking about somebody big that
you can count and say, Okay, every game I'm gonna
get I'm gonna get ten to fourteen from that person.
I'm gonna get somewhere seven to ten rebounds from that person. Uh,
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you know, just having somebody that's because they sell them
foot tall in one game to give you ten. The
next game they give you cardio. That ain't gonna cut it.
That's really not h You need. You need a couple
of shooters, and you need a big. You need some consistency. Hey,
look a lot of room was floating around by a
lot of guys. Man, And uh, I'm looking forward to this,
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to this free agency, to the draft. Obviously, I think
things were probably transpired before the draft, some of these trades,
and uh, I'm looking for the Lakers to make a
big splash.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
The draft is a twenty fifth. The drafting next Wednesday,
then yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Since speaking of trade, the Lakers and Jazz have reportedly
discussed the trade center around Rual Hotche, Murrow and John
Collins for Anthony Irwin. Many within the Lakers organization believe
Collins would be especially great fit alongside Luca.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
He could jump out the gym.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Since their seasons ended, they have had few conversation with
Utah to try to land the twenty seven year old,
big big man, with Rouy hotchim or offten the centerpiece
of the deal. Yeah, I like John Collins. He plays
here in Atlanta for a little while.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I think he'll be a great addition for those guys
because he offensively, you know, he can, he can score
it a little bit. Defensively, he's solid, and he'll be
a guy who can definitely take some pressure off those guys.
And you know, from night to night, any given night,
you know, he can have big nights, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yep, he can.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
He can give you twenty five points twelve rebounds on
any given night. And I think to have guys like that,
you know you're gonna need that throughout the throughout the
regular season and if you make it to the postseason,
to h to be lead, to be able to compete
in at Western Conference, man, you're gonna need you need
John Collins.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
You still may need a little more help though you
Oh for sure, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
But all things being equal, I probably would have rather
have Kessler. I'd rather have a big that can dominate
the paint because he's a he's a great rem protector,
he can block shots. He can be a lob threat
if needed. But I uh uh, that's that's look. John
Collins is a lob threat. He can make you know.
He like you said, he probably give you fifteen to
seventeen a night. But they really need a big. They
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need somebody a joe that can that can block shot,
that can protect the paint because when they go when
they go big and they have Ruy and Lebron playing
the four and the five of the five and the
four hive, you want to look at him.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
That's not enough. That ain't gonna win you. That that's
not gonna win your.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Championship with Lebron and Ruy Hotchimore playing four or five
or five.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
And four, it ain't. But the thing is it ain't many.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
It ain't many big guys out here, Like, dang, they
should have got that guy from Carolina, from Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
What's you think they can still get them Mark Williams.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, free Look look look what he he averaged, like
sixteen and ten for them.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, I know, but he don't.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Man, they gonna get They get a big to average
sixteen and ten. Oh they go, they going to the West,
the conference finals.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But he's on a bad team. You know he can
he do that with the Laker.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, you think he can ge And the expect expectations
is gonna be different, Joe, It's gonna be a lot different.
It's a lot different playing playing down there in Charlotte
with no with no ain't nobody watching, nobody watching. Man,
it's a little different. You could come out, you know,
play Lucy Goose and have fun. You get to l
a every game. You're gonna feel like you in the finals.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Almost. Well, what about DeAndre Ayton?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I like it. I like DeAndre Ayden here free agent? No,
but he probably could be had. Oh he's up, so
we do he have a three plus three plus an option.
It's a team option, a player option. Damn, it's been
that long since they wanted your finals.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Hey, uh, you t ain't trying to get off marketment
over there.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Laurd Oh nah, hell nah. You should try to build
around him, man. Yeah, well, he he's a good eight.
It's good because he has an expiring contract. He only
has this one this last year coming up, so he's
a prime cander. You know, they love NBA. They love
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getting these guys on the last last year of a deal, Joe,
because you're gonna because you know what you're gonna get
out of him.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
You're gonna get the best. You're gonna get the best
out of him.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You playing with he tried to get He tried to
he tried to get that Muller, He tried to get
that Spriller. You already know. Hey, no way, they give
it out nowadays. Boy, you being fool not to be
out there and give him your best. Oh yeah, yeah,
give him give him twenty and ten. That's that's forty men,
that's five years. That's for four year, five years, two
hundred meal. I like eight, and I think you can
even play through him a little bit, you know, from
Oh yeah, but I don't know if that's gonna happen.
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I know it's wish for thinking for you. You know
you'll you're fig Joe Swaggy p have a hot take
this morning. Tim Duncan, Spurs was not a dynasty team.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Man. I ran into him a few times.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Uh what was that two thousand and two. I was
playing with Marlberry, he was a point guard. We were
a seed playing against the Spurs, who was a one seed.
I think there was a Marius rookie year. Uh, we
played them and we won game one, Uncle san Antonio.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
But after that it was a rap whether A couple
of years later we get Steve Nash.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Obviously we're the best team in the league, and uh,
they beat us again like they have been in the way,
like the San Anto What do you mean they ain't
been a dynasty?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I was.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
But I want to know his definition. I mean you
figured you look at all the championships they won. They won,
and they.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Won in ninety nine, Yeah that's what they won. In
what three?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
They won in probably what five? They wanted seven? He
ain't said they was Swedish. So I want to know
what his definition is, Bro, you can be a dynasty. Look,
I think the thing is what happened. Unless you want
a three pet like the Laker, like a Shaton, Toby
or Jordan, you're not a dynasty. That's bullgyiin, No, they
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won fourtunes, they won four championships and at least a
ten year span.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
What is that? I would definitely call it a diner.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
How many teams, how many teams other than the Celtics,
the sixty Celtics can say they won four championships and
a ten year span. Basically, you looking at the Celtics
and you're looking at the Bulls. The Bulls won six
and an eight year span. But I'm trying to figure
out so who else, who else can say that?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Nobody? So I guess you. I guess you're gonna say
what you call what the dynasty the.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Warriors wars, not that I mean, but by his talking,
the Warriors was not a dynasty.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
He played And just because you don't win time, I guess.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You can say, well, they didn't because the Spurs they
never did win the title back to back but four
and ten years, so it might have been more than
shorter than that.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Ninety nine three oh five, Oh.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
No, they know, no, that'll be five I'm saying. But
it won four like a like an eight year span.
So ninety nine, three oh five and anyone what another
seven and seven?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
You know what it is? Yeah? What you know what
it is? Oh? They want yeah, bro, come on, bro,
they weren't they won four to eight.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Years because I from swaggering probably thinking like you know,
they wasn't exciting to watch. You know, no they're not.
They're broccoli fighting to watch. But you ain't good to you,
but it's good for you. They got it done, man,
they got it done. I don't care how you cut it.
I consider that. I definitely consider them a dynasty. Yeah
for sure. Oh yeah, yeah. Look you look at what
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they had. They got Tim Duncan, who's uh. You can
make a case that either top ten player of all
time with those accomplishments both offensively and defensively. You look
at Tony Parker and look how he did it with
the exception of Duncan. Did you actually think, well, they
got Tony Parker and they got Moneled Genobi. Do you
think at one point, what point in time did you say,
you know what, Marna, you know that he gonna be
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a Hall of Fame player. Tony Parker is gonna best
rude to be a finals MVP. There wasn't. They wasn't.
I mean, I understand that Parker was a first round pick,
but he wasn't highly acclaim. He wasn't no lot to
be picked. He wasn't think what Tony Parker like nineteen
twenty something. Hey, that was my draft.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That was old one.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
We came in together. But what break was Parker Parker's
like number twenty two or something like that. Yeah, yeah,
twenty eight, twenty eight. Yeah, that last, that's almost last
in the first round. Yeah, and Genoba was the second
round pick.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Because it's the system.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's the system they have that Pop has created, the
plug and play, you know, it's having that discipline, understanding
your play. Gotta players gotta play a certain way. Yeah,
understanding your role. And we ain't having no foolishness around here,
hear me. It ain't gonna be no foolishness. Hey, we're
gonna be led by by Tim Duncan, who has been
awesome since since he's came into the NBA. Playing next
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to David Robinson. Yeah, plug and play, baby plug, and
they had the luxury when Tim came Tim was a
grown up. Yeah, he spent four years in college. So
he wasn't eighteen, he wasn't nineteen, he wasn't twenty. He
was a full grown man. And he don't get that today.
And he conducted himself as a full grown man. And
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you know, coach Popovich and coach Belichick, they get along.
There a lot of light because Timmy allowed coach Pop
to coach him hard. Tom allowed coach Belichick to coach
him hard. So if your best player is getting coached hard,
how you think you're gonna get coached How can you
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complain when they don't complain?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Timmy never complained.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
And the thing was, and that's kind of what ended
up breaking the Spurs up because everybody up until Kawhi
allowed coach Pop to coach him a certain way. I
agree Kawhi was very une and why was different And
sometimes the best job sometimes as a cult, you have
to understand who you could ride and who you have
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to paddle on the back because you can't put your
foot in everybody's butt because some guys are buck right.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You say, look, you got to think about this too.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Before they got Tim Duncan, they were one of the
top teams in the NBA, and then I think they
had an injury. I don't know if David Robinson got
injured how they ended up getting and Tim Duncan. They
had them twin towers and it's like they were cheating.
But yeah, right, I thought Tim Duncan came into the
NBA and he was very mature, you know, for a rookie,
and yeah, you don't necessarily see that meaning you could
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play through him. He was so dominated at that power
forward position. It wasn't many guys who was stopping. No,
he understood the system. He played within the system, and
they dominated. They dominated. I think that was what the
lockout year when he came in. Yep, yeah, yep. So
you look at you got. You got David Robinson, Tim Duncan.
I mean, yeah to David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and I
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think Sean Elliott he's on that team. Yeah, yeah, they
there's some great veteran Avery Johnson.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
So you know, I mean, look, you got two tops.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
You got two top seventy five players with David Robinson
and Tim Duncan, even though Timmy was a rookie, right,
but he was mature. I think the last senior to
be number one overall was Kenyon Martin, which was the
next year.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, So now guys are coming out of freshman and
then at the one point in time, the guys you know,
Lebron and Dwight Howard didn't even go to college and
they were the number one overall. So you got to
go back twenty five twenty six years the last time
you had a senior be selected number one overall. Because
people look at to see, oh Joe now with the
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money being, they're like, bro, you that good? Why you
still in college? That ain't love even if you're a junior.
Bro you had, I mean, hold on you that good?
What you're still doing here? Hey? Because when I was
in college, that was the thing. It was like, man,
you stayed more than two years, they gonna think something
wrong with you.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Mm hm. And uh you know I got that uh.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
From the from the late great uh uh Wallace Praither
who coached to Atlanta Celtics out here in Atlanta when
I was when I was a junior high school, I
came out here and played with the Celtics, And that's
that's one thing he was telling, Man, you stay longer
than two years, they're gonna think something wrong with you. Nowadays,
you ain't getting there. It ain't gonna be no number
one pick as no senior no more. I know ain't
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gonna see that no more.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
No. And even with the nil then like cool flashes,
stay another Yeah for what, I ain't staying no more.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
His whole hit, The whole objective is get to the
end of the NBA or the NFL. Okay, if I
can collect five six eight million dollars and get and
get there in the same amount of time.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
No, all they did was speed up the process.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, my ability and the ability to enter into the
draft now it's different than the NFL because you can't
go before your junior year. But other than that, I'm
not waiting around. I'm trying to get to the bag
as soon as I possibly can. Yeah, because the sooner he.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Get in there and playing them get them two three years.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Up, they're gonna now they're gonna wlop him down, exactly, Joe.
There's been some drama recently surrounding future pick Ah Bailey.
Bailey reported canceled his pre draft workout with the Sixers.
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The Sixers have not ruled out selecting Bailey with the
number three overall pick in the twenty twenty five draft.
Team Phil Bailey has received poor advice during the pre
draft process after agent demanded payment for interviews. Ace Bailey
reported had Omar Cooper, the father of Sharif Cooper, representing
him as an agent. Bailey remains the only US best
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base prospect yet to visit any teams. Joe, if you
could offer, you went through this process, you played fifteen
plus years. What's some advice you would give As Bailey
if you could talk get his ear uh for me? Man,
I would tell him, at least, here's some of these
teams are you know, maybe maybe maybe the first few
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teams that's picking. Maybe he don't even want to be
drafted by you know what I mean. But I've had
a chance to see As Bailey play in high school
and in college. He is gonna be an elite pro
and maybe he knows and understands that.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
He probably knows understanding his work.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
But there is a process that we all have to
go through when we when we are trying to enter
the NBA draft. And I'm not sure what you know
his his agent is telling them or what they're thinking.
But if I'm Philly, man, it's gonna be hard to
pass him up. Yeah, mancuse Philly, that three, That man
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got a whole lot of game man, and I.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Could see him fitting in seamlessly.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
With you know, uh Tyrese, Tyrese Aliburton.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, you hope, you get hope you can get and be.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Back healthy, Tyrese, max In the MB, Tyree's Baxen, not
Halibert's say Helabern, Maxic m B and even Paul George.
I think you know they gotta they gotta and they
got some great young pieces over there too already. But
he can flat out score that ball man. He can fly. Yeah, McCain,
I think McCain got hurt. McCain, he got hurt. So
(37:18):
I thought Philly dealt with a lot of injuries. But
add him to that man, that that's that's a good look.
He can play all well. I understand Keavin Mavericks ain't
working anybody out but Cooper flag So you aren't gonna
work out for them anyway now too, san Antonio at
three Philly, because you look, san Antonio.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Got a lot of guards already.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
You know, they got they got a castle, they got vassal,
they got a what's the other, uh, Sir Sean d
Aaron Fox, The likelihood of them going because how.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Tall is he a guard? Here? Yeah, he can. He
gonna play this too.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
He about six eight, about six eighth, so okay, he
he uh, he do a little bit everything.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
He's sixteen, Joe.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I ain't I didn't stand next to him, but from
what I've seen, the man jump ball, he played the point,
he did everything. He can rebound outside of his area
like and not only that, like he has.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
A pro game already the way he plays.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
If you gonna look at when he played at Rutgers, like,
look at the shots that he took, like that man
is a hell of a shot maker.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
So in the pros, that's what you're looking for. You
looking for guys who can make tough shots. He's gonna
be a great pro man regardless of where you go.
But uh, if Philly passed up on him at the
at the three spot, they gonna probably regret that. Yeah,
he tried. He tried to pull a Charles Barker. Charles
Barker said they wanted him at like two eighty. Charles said, bad, Philly,
(38:42):
go check take me. And they ain't got no money
till about paying me fifty thousand he said, Man, I
ain't leave all but for fifty thousands, he said, bad.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I went the Seals.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Little had be like three people, had two baked potatoes,
all that bread.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I waited at two ninety nine, like we still go
draft you fast as Look. I wonder is it that
he don't want to go to Philly? Uh?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Maybe, but I'm surprised consider that h Rutgers is I
mean Jersey right down, I mean you right down the road.
But he probably won't. He probably want that instant, that
instant uh uh uh, you know, productivity when he coming
to the NBA. You know, if he go to Philly,
you know, it's still a pecking order. You know, Oh
he's joeling b Yeah, I don't care how good he played,
it's still gonna be a pecking order.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Well. Hell, he ain't worked out for nobody, Joe, I know.
So I don't know. I give me the top five,
give me the top five spot.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
I know Mavericks got one, san Antonio got to Philly
got three, who got four and five? I think Hunt
has got the fourth pick, Charlotte has four.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
You taed. He ain't really trying to go to another
of them? Now, hen't to be out of Joe. He
ain't really try to go another deal, but I want
you on that.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
It looks but if I'm him, Charlotte might not be
a bad spot. Meaning it is this Charlotte. It's gonna
be bad. But look, they gotta get some playoffs. They
need more players around LaMelo. You already got Melo over there,
and Brandon Miller, and you add a Bailey with that.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Man.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
That's what he afraid of. He said, I don't want
to get added to that. I would have get some
tracted from that. See you try to do addition. I've
tried to do some tracks. But he gonna be able
to put up them numbers that he probably, you know,
thinking about putting up. You over there with the hornets,
you better put up some numbers. Your numbers will be
better over there then they gonna be in Philly. A
if if a tree falls in the forest and nobody
(40:30):
hears it, doesn't make it sound you scoring thirty in Charlotte.
Look at Mello Melo average twenty five, twenty six in Charlotte.
The ain't nobody paying no attention to it. That's because
they got a win man. You got them in them markets.
You gotta win in order to be to get some notoriety,
you gotta win. Okay, yeah, yeah, eighth baby. One of
(40:50):
the promise for the Sixers before agreed to meet with them,
per Jason Domus promise to what he promised?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
What he said that if he if he goes and
visits to him.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
He wanted to promise I promise him say yeah, bro,
you know question, we're gonna drave you.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
And then like no, we're not gonna drive him. Oh
so they wanted a promise. He wanted a promise.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, he probably felt like he number one pick worthy.
But obviously you know you ain't getting that. They're gonna do.
Maverick's gonna take Cooper fe Mavick taking Cooper Cooper Flag
And maybe in any other draft that might have been
a possibility. But after Cooper Flag did what he did
on the US elect team and then the type of season.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
That he had, a duke, wouldn't nobody going in front
of that kid? Man.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Let me tell you something, dude, this dude is gonna
be a hell of a pro man. I'm not saying
that did not, but he gonna go in front of the
Cooper of Flag. He ain't going in front the Cooper flag.
I understand that, but where he do go I think
it does make a difference. Uh Now, I know, I say,
you know, Philly, Philly shouldn't pass up on him. But
if the way him and his agent is probably thinking
at this point, like, man, we want to get you
(41:50):
into a situation to where where you can play right away.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
So maybe maybe they maybe they turned Philly down because
they do want.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
To go to uh uh all of that elsewhere. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Somebody might shoot up the board. But if I'm Charlotte,
I ain't passing it right. You can't cause you got
you got Dylan Harper. I don't think Dylan Harper Gordon
and san Antonio because they got a boat, little guards
to begin with, the last thing, the last thing Dylan
Harper need is is a is to be in San
Antonio with Fox, with Stefan Castle, with so Sean.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Who do you think they gonna take with that number two?
That number two pick?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Then you think they're gonna you gonna think they're gonna
take Dylan Harper?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, I do. I think they're gonna really yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Nah, I trade say a Phoenix, I traded give me
Kevin Durant, and that's why I think is gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
That's that's that's that's not you know, I think I
think at the end that at.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
The end of I think Durant is gonna probably end
up going to the Spurs and that's probably gonna send
Dylan Harper probably the Phoenix. Because I think the thing is, Look,
I would love to see k D and Houston with
with Aarmen Thompson and Shing.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Gooon you bring you bring Van Fleet back.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
So because I think the thing that hurt Houston and
Layton games, they ain't got nobody can give it to
see what KD.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
You got somebody that you can give it to Layton games.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Shing Gooon is an All NBA select I mean he
went to the All Star Game this year.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Arm and Thompson. It's a he's rising.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
He coming, Yeah, play tremendous defense, can go get buckets.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
You got a four floord general and Van Fleet that's
won a championship, knows what it takes to win. I
like that they got great pieces. I mean they were
the number two CD yep. The thing else I'll be
willing to give you one. I give you your Barsmith Junior.
I'll give you Jalen Green, but you can't have both
of them for k D. Yeah, i'll give you. I'll
give you one of them and at a first in
(43:47):
our first round pick Phoenix gone go on both of them. No,
can't do. They've they've already come down on the asking price.
Because the thing is is that you're looking at a
situation where they're like, well man, Desmond Bane went for
X amount of picks, but Desmond Bank, No, he's not
the player that Kevin Durant is. But he's probably seven
(44:08):
to ten years younger than Kevin Durant and doesn't have
the history of being injured like Kevin Durant. And Orlando
was indeed of some shooting yet and some defense on
the forerima. Now, yeah, they needed so it's probably they
probably more likely over you know, over compensated for him.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
But they and they had a boat.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
But the thing Yil Joe, they're on a handful of
teams that had a boatloader pick that could throw out them.
San Antonio got a boat little picks, Orlando had a
boatlottle picks. Brooklyn got a boatload of picks. So they
got Okay, see, so you got ten first round picks,
so who'll killed a heck if you give up four
of them? And we're looking at with Paulo Bank, Caro Franz, Wagner,
(44:51):
Desmond Bang, Jlem Suggs, we gonna be winning, and so
that ain't gonna be no lot of the picks anyway.
So that's why we left him up protected because you're
gonna be picking in the twitter, right, we don't need
to protect nothing to twenty right, and I feel like
Orlando feel like they time can be now. It can't
be right, you know, because looking at the it's why
JT's hurt. He's gonna be gone for at least a year.
(45:15):
Ah Man Durank going to he going to San Antonio. Yeah,
he gonna saying because they you're right, they not gonna,
They not gonna. I can't really see a rookie helping
san Antonio get to where they're trying to get to
at this point because they got so many, they got.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Enough young player.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Hell, we'll be only the third really, women will really
be a second year because you got he ended up.
He played less than half the year, so now he's
coming back. You got Castle, who was a rookie last year. Yeah,
you got some veteran guys. You got Dearon Foxing, you
got Shashan and you got Vassals Kelton Johnson.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
You got some guys. But do you really think.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
A rookie is gonna come and look, I mean in
order to like I said, think about the rookies that's
helped win a championsh.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Yeah, you got Magic Johnson, you got Tim Duncan, and.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
That's Look, but that's that's that's kind of why I'm
I'm I'm like when you look at Dallas them taking
Cooper Flag, you think Cooper Flag gonna be able to
get them back to the finals?
Speaker 1 (46:17):
He too good to fight, He too good to u
His projection says, he's too good to pass up.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I don't know, man, it's it's it's gonna be Uh,
it's gonna be interesting next this this next week is
gonna be pretty interesting. I think we're gonna see a
lot of guys moving around and uh, obviously Durant is
probably gonna be one of the first guys, you know,
to to to join a new team. And whatever team
(46:46):
he joins, H, we know they gonna be favorite. They
gonna be one of the favorites anyway, for sure. Uh,
what does Fridges is start because you can have I
think they got a tampering period in July.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
They can start with your fifth July seven or June thirty. Wow, yeah,
so hell eleven days.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yes, so it's gonna be so small theah yeah, yeah,
Fin's gotta get some draft capitol back. But they really
want a good. They want a good They want at
least one of two players that can come in and play.
Right now, Hey, if you just send him to Houston,
you get Green and Jabari Smith Jr. I don't think
(47:34):
they'll give up both of them. Joe, You don't think so, man,
I think they give up one. They weren't really playing
Japari like that though. No, No, they weren't really playing.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Them like that.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
And I feel like if you send him to Phoenix,
they'll put him in a spot the word he can
flourish rak and succeed, yeah and reach his his What
about Jaalen Green de Phoenix? Because him and him and
Book is the same type of a guy, I mean,
I mean phantasy. The part they need to get Book
off the ball, let Book go back there is to
let Book do what book does Chris Paul was, I
(48:06):
don't know why they got rid of think about this though,
if Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Do get Jalen Green, ain't you got Bradley Beal already? That?
But what we're doing? Yeah? True? So Jabari Smith will
be the one they want. Yeah so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Man insider Jake Fisher believe Durant is going to Miami.
Joe what can I'm just trying to figure out what
can Miami offer that the Sun?
Speaker 1 (48:31):
That? What can they offer the Sun?
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Well? I mean, you got two players, and you don't
want to give up either one of them. You don't
want to give up Bama. You don't want to give
up Tyler Hero. Well, if your action price don win down,
do you have some picks? Let me think of a
couple of players you can throw all. They ain't got
no picks. I know Duncan, Robinson, Hot Smith, Hoimi, Howkas Hobvid.
(48:56):
That's why I can't see him going to Miami, because
they ain't really got nothing. They gonna give up guys,
You're gonna try to keep them. So you compare them
with KD. I don't see him going to Miami. Do
you think let's just say for the sake of argument
for this discussion, he goes to Miami or Miami automatically
contending with him Bam and Tyler Hero.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Yeah in the East, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Uh oh they got they got they got my young
boy over there, kel A whare he got?
Speaker 1 (49:23):
You got some value in him?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Six eleven seven foot You know he played great this
year for.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
The Miami Heat.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Okay, but yeah if he if Durank go to Miami, yeah,
they gonna be one of the favorites for sure. I
think the thing is what happened was matt ishber Ishpa
I know went to what I went to the WNB
All Star Game, had an opportunity to have some good
conversation with it.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
I think the thing is like when you come in,
I'm gonna win. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh I'm winning. I'm waring.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
And he made some moves that and you're like, you
go back and look at like, if you got Katie,
do you really need Bradley? Beal right, you probably need
to go get somebody the baby, Go get a big
or get somebody that can defend, because you got a
bunch of guys that can score and to defend on
a nightly basis, you gotta have the you gotta be
able to defend. Look at the two teams that's in
the final. They got wings that can defend. Yeah, you
(50:13):
got Nie Smith, you got them hard, you got set defend,
you got math Ron, you got guys that can defend.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
And obviously we know what you got.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Okay, see with those winging guys, so you got all
this offense and you don't got the thing was with Phoenix,
they couldn't stop anybody. Yeah, they they could score, but
if it's a nip tuck ball game, now, guess what
they're getting. Their positions are a lot easier than yours. Yeah,
I thought it was a pretty good risk. I think
(50:43):
the guys that you put around those three, meaning Devin, Booker,
Bill and Durant, I think that's the key. You need
guys surrounding those guys who are like blue collar, hard
working guys and kind of let them guys just kind of,
you know, obviously play but you know score, but uh,
you need guys who understand their role man, and they
(51:04):
just ain't had I don't feel like they had the
right pieces around me.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
I spent all the money on the house, so the
furniture gonna be ish. Hey, look ip over budget as
it is, Joe, i'p over a budget as it is.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Look you, I'm telling you I'm the guy. Joe. I
got a house.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
My agent, my financial people said, okay, Shallon, I wanted
the house in Atlanta. Came to Freak Naked ninety two
ninety three, called my agent before I left. I said, man,
I moved to I thought you wanted the houses about.
I said, man, didn't I tell you y'all want a
house house? Somebody find me the house in Atlanta. So
they said, at the time, I think I was making
(51:40):
bout seven think I'll make it by six hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
So they say, okay, you know you're supposed to get
a house.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
You get a house, that's your salary, you know, whatever
half of your salary. So I was like, okay, this
say Shannon for twenty five, you know, and for twenty five.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
All right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
So the first house the lady showed me, actually it
was Sugar Ray Leonards ex wife.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
What need us? It was her old house.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
I walked in there. It was in Buckhead. Because I
was gonna look at Buckhead. I was looking she stopped
being Buckhead. Then I was going to Stone Mountain, then
I was going to Alphareto.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Okay, yeah, But in the.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
House, I walked around, saw that marble, all that, all
that radio, saw the fireless staircase. John's like, ooh this night.
She said, oh, wait, do you see down? You know,
down got a finished basement. I said, really, I ain't
never seen no baby before. Joe, I'll be there, Joe,
excuse me. I go downstairs, three thousand square foot finished basement.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
So now she's like, okay, this is the first house.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I was saying to myself, I don't want to see
nothing new, yo, I don't want to see nothing else.
I'm good, I'm good. She said, no, we we got
some other houses we go to see. I said, okay, man,
the mother houses and they were really nice. It was
all like she was showing me our house. I said,
I want to go back. So I said, let's go
back to the first house. I cut, I cut to.
(53:06):
I saw one. I saw one in bathfrenda and I
saw one in them and marry yea. I said, let's
go back to the first house. I asked nothing and
I saw one in the stole out. I said, let's
go back to that first house.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
She drove me. She took me back to the first house.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
I said, yeah, yeah, I didn't know that my people
had already told her the budget.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Yeah, then damn budget and went out the door.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
I'm one hundred and eighty thousand over budget, Joe, I
had a for two years.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I had a bed and a TV. You adn't putting
some funds in there? Why I don't put it in
that with Yeah, that's spend dollar money in the house.
You can get I ain't get in. No furniture. I ain't.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Hey, somebody come up, Hey, Joe, somebody come over. They
can fit the living room and go see down on
the floor watching TV.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
That's it. That's all I add. So that's the thing
with you with Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
You got Kadie, you got a bill, you got booked,
you got out a scr. But you got in is furniture.
You ain't got nothing. And and that's why they look
the way they've looked. You can't.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
They ain't even made.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
They ain't made the play in so they gotta hey, look,
so we one thing we do know is they more
than likely or they are gonna trade durant.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yes, they got a book. Can't going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
And it doesn't seem like because he has a no
trade I mean, let's let this sink in. Bradley Bill
and Lebron James are the only two players that have
a no trade clause.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Hey, so now he control it. You can't trol it,
you can't get trade it. He was like, yeah, I
wan't gonna trade you. No, I'm not going there all
right because I think they we want to go damn
because they wanted to get off Bill, but they can't.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
They can't. They can't, so they gotta make it work.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
So that's why I say, ye, you gotta If from Phoenix,
I'm going with some young guys who have proven that
you know, they can play in this league.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
Aston for me, Houston would be oh Houston.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Yeah, because you I'm saying, if you can get back
Green and Parker Jabari Parker like no, Smith, Jabari Smith Jr. Man,
that's that'll help your team. Yeah, for sure, that'll help
your team. Now, the problem you're gonna have because both
of those guys love to score, and you got Bradley
Beal with Devin Booker and Jalen Green, you know you
(55:43):
might be back in the.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Same position he was in.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
You're gonna be in the same spot. But you do
have a big, active, big uh he got. He's gotta eat.
He's gonna need to get a little better. I think
he will a little bit, a little bit more bricks
in his pocket. I think, you know, his limited playtime
because you had Shing Goon playing so well. But it's
gonna be interesting to see how this thing played out.
(56:05):
The one thing we do know, they want to move
Kevin Durant. They tried to move back to the trade deadline,
and He's like, Noah, let me go ahead and stay
here because I come with a lot, yeah, you know,
you know, and I'm gonna need some time to integrate.
You know, I'm gonna need some some camps and some
you know, some uh preseason to get into the floor
of things. But man, if he goes to San Antonio,
(56:28):
that's gonna be cheating again. Yeah, him and Winby and
Castle and Deer and Fox, san Antonio gonna be right back, yeah,
because they got that mean Look, okay, see got the picks.
He's not going to Okay, see Brooklyn got the picks.
He's not going to Brooklyn. San Antonio got picks. Houston
(56:52):
got some picks and they got some players. See Houston
have Houston and San Antonio have picks and players.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
That's why I think this is gonna be one of
them two teams. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
He already said he wanted to go to what Texas
or team with no state tax?
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yep, Texas. Uh the Spurs rockets heat.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
There you go. I don't see the heat. I don't
see the heat happening. I don't think they got enough.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
I don't. I don't either. I don't either.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
But uh, to help Phoenix, you know, fulfill anything to
get to get back some that's worth the value for
Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
So I don't really see that in Miami. I don't
see it. The volume
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