Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Philadelphia Eagles going on the road to beat the Green Bay Packers on Monday Night Football, the New York Giants fire Brian Daboll, and Mike Tomlin assess Aaron Rodgers play on Sunday night and much more!
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Packers by the score of ten to seven. The Eagles
moved to seven and two, the Packers fall to five
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Oh Joe Eagles ten Packers seven. A scoreless first half,
the first time in nearly two years that the NFL
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has had a scoreless first half, but the Eagles make
enough plays. A big play over the top of thirty
six yards Jayalen hurts to Devonte's Slaith, former teammates at
the University of Alabama, and that was really the difference
in the ball game as they win ten to seven.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Oh y'a, I'm gonna let you take it. Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Unless you're a defensive guy.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Unless you're a defensive guyr.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Microphone where you're cold, you muffle.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Oh shoot, hey, I'm glad. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad.
I'm glad. You said something. Can you now?
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, I say, unless you're a defensive guy. That's
the only way you enjoyed this game. That's the only
way you enjoyed this game.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
You expect you expect a lot of you.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
You expect a lot of points, especially from the Green
Bay Packers the way we talked about them before the
season started, with all the weapons that they have, Jordan
Love actually continuing to get better, you know, year to year.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And it was bad.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It was bad.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Sat Quan almost got loose a little bit.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
So I expected him to finally make make make his
uh his visit to the party and having a big
game and do some and yeah, and do some of
the things that Jonathan Taylor has been doing as of late.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
But that didn't happen. It was a close game.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
It was a game where the team with the fewest
mistakes was going to win, the team with the fewest
mistakes were going to win, and in the end there
was an opportunity for green Bay to be able to.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Tie it, and it just it just didn't happen. They missed.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
I'm not sure if you enjoyed this game. Maybe maybe
you might have liked it, uh, based based on what
you saw. But I'm not gonna call it the snooze
fest because I was hyped before the game started. Oh
my goodness, the Packers playing. Oh the Eagles play, it's
gonna I thought maybe it would have been a ball,
it's gonna be a barn burner, but hey, it was.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
It was upsetting.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Uh yeah, it left a lot to be desired.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean, we're thinking about two teams, two quarterbacks that's
been to the Pro Bowl, one quarterback that's one that's
won a Super Bowl, he's been a Super Bowl MVP.
I don't think either quarterback played particularly well in this game.
I thought Jalen Hursts made the throws that he needed
to make, especially that big one to the Vonta Smith
could have put a nice a ribbon on that box,
a bowl, a nice bowl on the box had he
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hit to drop that one in the bucket to aj A.
I don't care what y'all say, Eagles fan, ain't no
way aj coming back next year. But we'll talk about
that a little another day in time.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I just I just don't get Jordan Love, the mistakes
that he makes. They gotta throw him seven. You run,
you run the over concept. I'm gonna dangle this cheese
out here in front of you hoping somebody go to
the short route.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
No, boy, don't you throw it. They did.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
The Eagles played it exactly how you draw it up.
They jumped, they dump musk Grave on the on the
short route, and you got the end cut coming in
behind him for the first down, and he takes the
seven yards when you need nine. I'm confused, bro, And
and I was like, damn, I wonder what what Laflour
is thinking. And then he went and looked at it
(06:12):
on the eyepad. He said, you got to be eating me,
you got to be hitting me. And then he's getting
I mean, he steps up in the pocket instead of
all these guys breaking free all I mean, he got
the shot across breaking free, he got the end cut
breaking free, he got the over breaking free, and it
takes off running like he Lamar Jackson, bro throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, the contract that he got, he earned that, but
he's not meaning expectations of what they happened. And I
told you, I said, even with this Michael trade, are
we sure they're better than the Rams?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I've asked you that. I said, oh yo, are we sure?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah? And that was a hard one back then to
answer that question. Honestly it was.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
It was a hard one, especially you know with the
way the season started, the expectations that they did have,
have the expectations that we had watching.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Jordan Love and what he's been able to do. Uh
as of late. I mean, you you would think, hell,
they're gonna be right down and running.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
George Love is just a little bit too inconsistent for
my fancy and the throws that he's missing. Ohoe, if
that's a rookie quarterback or second year quarterback. I've kind
of give him a little lead. Yeah, I kind of
give him a little grace. But when you've a Pro
Bowl quarterback, when you have the level expectations, when you've
earned the money that you're making, you can't make those mistakes.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You get in facked and you're gonna do what you do.
You try to pack them ball to Josh Jacob. Josh Jacob, Okay,
they coming on the bliz. You hit the guy, leak out,
either break out or break in. You can't keep straight
up the field, bro, You gotta give him an angle
to throw you the football. This is why I can't
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coach Ojo. Some things they shouldn't have to tell you. You know,
damn well, Josh Jacobs, you're not gonna run no route.
If you sleeping out and you're gonna keep straight up
the field, You're gonna break out or you're gonna break in,
because you gotta give him Alena throw you the football.
So I don't I don't blame Jordan Love for that
for missing that throw, because they're like, Bro, if you
break out, you give me I mean, think about it.
(08:12):
You got bron on your hip. You catch this, ain't
no telling how far are you gonna go? The Eagles
the one thing they're gonna do, they're gonna make plays.
They're gonna find a way to get the ball. I
thought green May did a great job of Jalen Hurst
get the ball, gets going, get picks up a big
and the guy comes in punches it out. I was like, Okay,
Green Bay, you might be onto something, but you know
(08:33):
you gotta protect the ball for four quarters when you
play the Eagles, because they're very opportunistic. They'll find a
way to get the ball out. Oh Joe, I just
need you to help me with one thing and then
I'm gonna let you go take it. It's fourth and one.
Why you trying to go in a hurry when you've
already got first of all, they missed your first the
first ball start on the quarterbacks sneak.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
In the first quarter. They missed that one.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
The damn show missed the one of the twie push.
I'm trying to figure out, how can I see things
in real time? The official that the damn game can't.
We'll get to that a minute.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
They're not supposed to call it.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He got fourth and one. This is the money down.
Take the time out. Give me your best. Fourth and one,
Give me your best for Okay, what do we like
on fourth and one? What do you a Jordan? What
are you like on fourth and one? We got three
options right here?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I like this. Which one do you like? Receiver?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Hm? When they go when they go double tight, when
they go jumbo formation, they got four line, they got
one center guard, tackle, extra offensive lineman. That extra offensive
lineman is a tight end. You got to back your
ass up. You're the zer receiver. The guy to the
open side now he's the ex receiver.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Boy, look here, sometimes, oh Joe, what I get up
said about? Sometimes I'll be watching these guys play. If
Dyna my with brain, they couldn't blow the nose.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Look at here.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
This is why chap. I mean, it's common sense. Oh Joe,
you've got an extra lineman. He's on the ball. He's
not a tight end. You've got the back off. Yeah,
the open side is now the ex receiver.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It's just it's just common it's just so. It it
may maybe maybe it's me because some things you just like,
Oh Joe, it's just calmon knowledge. I could just like
really think on the fly and just like, Okay, I'm
supposed to be on the ball. I made the mistake
one time and it cost us a big play, and
I promise I'd never be in that situation again. I
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know who's supposed to be on the ball, but if
he lines up on the ball, ohhoe, ain't no harm,
no power. I'll back up off the ball instead of
having a play where now all of a sudden we'll
have an illegal formation because me, I'm supposed to be
on the ball. You're supposed to be on Nah, nah
na na, you get on the ball, I'll get off
a lot of times, guys, I like to be on
(11:05):
the ball A lot of times. Guys don't like to
be on the ball because you're closer to the defender.
I like building the ball because it's gonna give an
opportunity to get my hands on you, because I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Throw your ass.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know you know what that tells me too.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
And after after one two, three, three, four, four days
to prepare, after three days of two days of real
of real practice fridays of Fast Friday, I mean one
day of Fast Friday, that that actual play that they
did call on that fourth and one is one that
they didn't go over many times, one that they didn't
rehearse very many times, one that they didn't go through
and walk through on Saturday on Saturday mornings.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
You know when we talk about situational football in.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Case this comes up on four down, and these are
the plays we choose from. This is the alignment that
we need. That's that's why that happened.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Why you yo, this is the most important this is
This is for the game? Oh yeah, why would you
watch it? I would rather take a time out because
the likelihood of you getting the ball back if and
if you do get the ball back, oh your you're
not gonna get it back with a whole bunch of time.
So now, and you look at the position that you're in.
Look where you are, bro, I'm like, you got to
(12:16):
be kidding me. You rush that on fourth and one? Normally,
O Yo. If I'm gonna invest something and this is
my last, ain't you put it round right there?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Ojo.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I'm gonna think about this. Okay, let me think about this. Okay,
this is my absolute last.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Here you got and it got to be got to be,
got to.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Be the best option. I mean the Eagles. The one
thing they don't they don't they're not gonna do. And
you can think about Sirianni whatever you want. They're not
gonna beat themselves. They're not gonna beat themselves. They're gonna
line up properly. The line is gonna be where they're
supposed to be. If a guy's on the ball, he's
gonna be on the ball. If the guy's off the ball,
(12:56):
he's gonna be off the ball. Defensively, they're gonna be
where they're supposed to be. Man, I watched the situation
where they had they ran twenty two man. They ran
what we call cover five O Joe twenty two man. Yeah, Man,
I watched my Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
M Man. I thought it was a Congo movie. Romeo
doms ain't movie. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ain't
moved nowhere. Oh damn sun Oh you don't laugh back.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Man, oh Joe ha ha ha.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And he ain't moved quick. Mitchell like stabbed it with
one and he just standing up to roll. You got
to be all that dancing is fine if you're at
the disco, but when you're on the football.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Field, you got to be moving forward.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Because the quarterback comes as he's going back and you're
still at the line of scrimmage. Oh yeah, And remember
we had the conversation Josh Jacobs said, we need a dog.
We got some good reading it and all the receivers
got mad and they need a dog.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Go ton they need to go.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
They got they got they got good, They got quality receivers.
I think Watson is the best. But he can't stay healthy.
He got so much speed, he got hamstring, he had
his knee. He can't stay healthy.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Well, listen, listen what we're looking for when we talked
about a dog. They have such good quality wide receivers
that are really good at doing different things. All this,
all these little fine tuning up. It ain't nothing but
a little fine.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
But they need to come see you so they can
get so they can find tune it.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Hey, and let me tell you something. Everybody, every if
you think about it, everybody that came to that wide
receiver workshop and July, you see what they doing this.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Year, right, hey, j JSN.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
JSN had my eyes wide open being able to see
him in person.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
There.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I saw him at Ohio State. I seen him at
the Rose Bowl, you know, I saw him. I saw
him saw a little a little bit last year, but
I was not expecting this. I didn't expect what I'm
seeing now, you know, And just listen, Dobbs Wicks, Jayden Reed,
come on back down here, man, bringing boys with you.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Man, let's politic together.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Continue to work on our craft, continue to work on
our game and get better for situations like today, For
Knights like today, we're plays where plays don't come often,
and the ones that you do make you got to
make a difference.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
These are the reasons why you get paid the million.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
These type of games are the reasons why you get
paid the big bucks.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Look for me, I think the way the Eagles are
gonna have to win, They're gonna have to win the
game more on Jalen Hurt's arms than say, one legs,
as opposed.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
To what it was last year. Teams are not gonna
let him run wild.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Last year, it seemed like every game we've coming out
here and we're like, man, how y'all keep letting this
man hit his head on the goal post from sixty Yeah,
how y'all let him hit his goal ahead on the
goal post twice from fifty plus.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Now there's like we're gonna shut this water off.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Have to give water elsewhere, and elsewhere is gonna be
in the form of Jalen hurts, his legs and his arms.
But they do a great job. Jalen is rare that
hurts turns the ball over. They got it out the night.
You know, they got him going down and then boom, dude,
get it with the peanut punch. Did a great job
of getting it out. But if I'm the Packers, the
(16:20):
pack it's a team game. But you know, the frustration
is starting to get built. Oh, Joe bro We held
that team to ten points. We held that team to
ten points. We held Sakwan Barkley to sixty yards. We
held the quarterback to under two hundred yards passing.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
M h.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
That's gotta be enough. Well, it wasn't enough.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So you're gonna have to find ways that Like, you're
gonna have to create more turnovers. You're gonna have to
put him. You're gonna have to put the opposing quarterback
under the rest. Now, granted, that's a good offensive line.
The big right tackle he got Nick came out, but
you see when the rubber needed to meet the roll
on that fourth down, he brought his ass back in
the game. Because Lane Johnson, because that's how much it
(17:04):
means to it. But this this Green this Green Bay
Packers team. Man, they gotta do some soul searching because
the Lions, hey, hold on, they got they played the
Lions on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
No thing.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I think that's the Thanksgiving Day game.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I believe so. Yes, games that the Packers.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Packers, they got at Giants, they got at the Vikings,
at home at Lions on Thanksgiving. Hey, and just so
you know, they got the Bears twice. The Bearers ain't
no easy winning.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
No no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
No no.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And you go to Denver.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Where they gonna they gonna beat, they gonna be.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You see that pass rush? Who you think got a
better pass rush? U should eat us? Are the Eagles?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I mean with you you know, you know the.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Broncos pass rushes exactly? Hey about forget the pass rush, defense,
defense as a whole.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
On all three levels.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
They got the rail the game.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And the Vikings beginning the Eagles remaining schedule Lions at
home at Cowboys, Bears at home at Chargers, Raiders at
home at Commanders at Bills.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Ooh hey, they it's two games where you kind of
you kind of can almost you know with the way
the Eagles play and knowing Jalen Hurts how opportunistic Key is,
and that he doesn't turn them all over. It's two
games you could already knock off right there, the Raiders
and Commanders. You would probably say, you know what, they
gonna win those two? Now everything else, Boy's up and there.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
They got the Lions at home Sunday night. Then they
go on the road at Cowboys. They get the Bears
at home. That's a Thursday night game. No no, no, no, no, no,
no no, that's a Friday game. It's Black Friday game.
Then at Chargers to the Monday night game. Or the
(19:03):
Raiders and the Commanders the Bills. We don't know what
bills we're gonna get. Will Josh Allen protect the football?
Because when he doesn't protect the football, they're very average.
Look at the games that they lost. They lost to Atlanta,
Josh turned the ball over. They got blown out. What
were thirty nothing? They lost Sunday to the Dolphins. What happened?
Turn the ball over?
Speaker 5 (19:23):
They got me there. Now only turn the ball over
for the damn jump. Dolphins jumped out on them. They
jumped out on him and having to play from behind.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And how they jump out, got a turnover. You got
to take care.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You gotta take care of the football. Look, I think
the thing is we've done it. We've we've kind of
built these games up.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
We saw early on, we see how the Packers look,
we sell the Eagles look, and we were expecting the
same thing last night. We think, oh man, we're gonna
get some point. No, no, no, no, we're not. So
I'm just going, like, you know what, I'm gonna have
no moving forward, Chad. I'm gonna have no expectations of
games going in. If they score, if they score up
to seventy five between the two of them, I'm happy.
(20:03):
If they score twelve between the two of them, I'm
happy with that too. So I'm done with the expectation
to get my hopes up, because this was some bull
drive tonight.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Hey let me let me tell you it was some
bull drive. And one of the things you said one
of the reasons why you can't coach, but but in
in a Bible, in a Bible that says, order my
steps and buy in which a way I should walk,
and and in God, these these people.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Brian de Ball, Brian.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Kelly, you know, these people keep getting fired, and we
keep talking about it, and you really not seeing God's vision.
You not really getting the message because he's not sending
it clear enough to you, but it's clear enough to me.
And he's trying to audio steps, but you're refusing to
walk in the path in which he's creating for you,
which is a head.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Is a head, Coach, Come on the Lions. They got
the Lions Sunday Night, and then they're at the Cowboys.
Then they get the Bearers on Black Friday, and then
they got the Chargers on Monday night, and then they
have the Raiders and the Commanders, and then they're at
the Bills.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
On the twenty eighth.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Oh, and then they're commanders, and then they're commanders, which
will be we don't know where that's gonna be. Probably nothing,
because at that point in time, the Commanders will be
eliminated from the playoffs and so nobody's gonna They're not
gonna get flexed into a Sunday.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Night or anything else of that nature. So that's where
the Eagles are.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
The Eagles have the Lions Sunday Night at Cowboys, Bears
at home at Chargers on Monday night, Raiders at home
at Commanders at Bills, Commanders at home. So they got
a formidable schedule. But they have the type of team.
They've been here, they're battle tested, so they're not gonna
be They're not gonna get too high.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Look, it's a big time winning on a Monday night.
It got a hey, I'm sure Syrian even telling them.
It doesn't get any easier. We got a tough one
again next Sunday night. We played Monday. We got a
short week. So and the thing is that, you know
the thing with the NFL. Now, oh Joe, they breaking
down film, so you hey, you can get out, but
you can get you can get your pay.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
You get on an I pad right now and start
going over what the Lions like to do on on.
We didn't. We didn't have it like that. We weren't
able to get stuff until Monday.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
You know, they have a couple of cut ups already
broke down for us and we could see certain things.
Now you get a head start. They done got a
head start. They're working ahead of schedule. But the Eagles
move to seven and two. Uh, the Eagles have if
the playoffs were to start now, the Eagles would be
the number one seed. Seahawks would be number two, Lions
(22:45):
number three, Tampa number four Rams. Even though they have
a tie for the first best record, Seahawks, actually Seahawks
have the tie break over them. So the Lions would
be in the fifth seed, the Bears would be the
sixth seed, and the Packers would be because of five
three and one, they would be the seventh and final seed.
(23:09):
So that's where we are with that right there. Packers
remaining schedule at Giants Vikings at home at Lions on Thanksgiving,
Bears home, Broncos on the road, Bears at Bears. That's Packers,
Ravens at home at Vikings.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
So hm, that's a.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Little formidable schedule right there. Oh Joe, We talked about
this last night. We didn't see it coming so soon,
but the Giants head coach Brian Daball has been relieved
of his duties after flowing another double digit lead Sunday
in Chicago. Giants co owner John Marraw and Steve Tish
said today, the past few seasons have been nothing short
of disappointing, and we have not met our expectations for
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this franchise. We understand the fust stration of our fans,
and we will work to deliver significant improved product. Assistant
coach opfensive coordinator Mike Kafka will serve as the Giants
and them head coach. Day Ball twenty forty and one.
As Giants head coach, his three thirty six twenty percentage
puts him behind Ben.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Ben mcadud.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
No, he had a bunch of a cheesecake factory, that
big menu he had and Ray Perkins fired two of
fired two of the three head coach coordinators and flip
flop play calling with others. Replaced five or nine position
coach started seven different quarterbacks, had a renting record with
none of them.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
He's fired as the Giants because he didn't win.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
This really is really that simple, No, owners, John Marron,
Steve Tish, you fail. How's the general manager still there
because he hired him? How's he still there? Daniel Jones
is gone? Say Kwan Barkley is gone. He drafted Evan
Neil so yes, So you think you're gonna get an
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improved product when when the general manage, the guy that's
making all the decisions, he's still there. I'm not saying
Brian Dave Balls should or should not have been fired.
That's we can We'll discuss that a minute. But I've
tried to figure out how saw shown has been able
to keep.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
His damn job.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Hey, And.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Honestly, regards to what coach comes in there, they're probably
gonna get fired.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
They've gone through multiple coaches.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, they've gone through They've been going through multiple coaches,
and for for Brian dave Ball to get fired, it's
kind of somewhat understandable. He's he's had leading games in
multiple games this season. He had leading games early in
the game, and they lost on the back They lost
on the back end. It's about bad game that they
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should have continued to be able to have some type
of success after having the leads they've had, and they
squandered every everyone.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
You mean you didn't win not one of those.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I think they had four leads going into the fourth quarter, right, Yes,
I mean they had a twenty six eight, twenty six
nine lead over the Broncos, they had a twenty ten
lead over the Bears.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
They had to lead with the Cowboys with like fourteen seconds.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The guy comes on you a big, big field goal
and they end up winning in an overtime.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Oh, here it is Week two. They led thirteen three,
lost forty to thirty seven. At the Saints, they led
fourteen to three, lost twenty six fourteen the Broncos. They
led twenty six to eight, lost thirty three, thirty two
with the Bears Theys and they led twenty to ten,
lost twenty four to twenty.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Yeah, and one thing about it, we always say, coaches coaches, coaches, coaches,
coaches coach. You can have one hundred coaches, one hundred
different coaches coming there, and all one hundred are gonna
get fired.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah, all one hundred are gonna get fire.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
And listen, some accountabilitygue has to be put on, put
on the players as well, you know. But but obviously
the coaching staff too. And the one person who is
see oversees all that is Brian.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
So at this point it was time.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
No, Brian, don't coach the team. He ain't got no say.
He probably didn't have any say over the final fifty three.
He probably had no saying free agency, he probably had
no saying to draft. Hell now he happy to have
a job.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Hold on.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
So it sounded like somebody they running shover there like
like like that, like that team they got that Star.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yes, yes, Yes, That's why I laughed when Jerry told
me he thought about hiring Sean Payton. Man, you actually
think Sean Payton's gonna come in there and the only
thing he's gonna be as a coach. He ain't gonna
have no say on the final fifty three. He's not
gonna have any say over the draft. He's not gonna
have any sale free agency. He's just gonna stand there
and coach, and then when things go wrong, they gonna
blame him, just like.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
All the coaches he fired.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
How many coaches that he had since he fired Jimmy
Uh who took up at the gym with it?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
He had who that they Campo?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
He had Dave Campo, he had a Chan Gaylor, who
was my old position coach. He had Wade Feller and
Jason Garrett, Uh, Mike McCarthy. Now he's probably had more
than that right.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Until damn. You know, hey, John, Mary, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
You know when you had a lot to say about
what the fans, what the fans was saying, because you
was reading all their mail when they was calling in
and talking about camp and all that. You read the mail.
Let's read some of the mail. What they're saying about
you see, if they're happy with you and what you've
been able to do with this franchise. Yeah, because if
y'all ain't y'all look, y'all have been close since y'all
got really since Eli retired, your your bungle dad had
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Eli had all those consecutive starts. Then you start Geno
and then you start Eli getting after you to break
the man street.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
You know, you know, you know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Bart Basha Swisser came after Jimmy, so it was Baron Swiftzer.
Then I think it was Parcells Campbell. Oh they had
ten coaches, Okay, so Jimmy Johnson, Barry Swizzer, Chan Gaily,
Dave Campbo, Bill Parceells, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy,
Brian Shott. Jimmy Johnson had a five fifty five fifty
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winning percentage, Barry Swisser had sixty twenty five. Chan Gaily
was eighteen and fourteen, Dave Campbo was fifteen and thirty
three fifteen to thirty three. Bill Parceells was thirty four
and thirty WAYE. Phillips was thirty four and twenty two.
Jason Garrett was eighty five and sixty seven, Mike McCarthy
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was forty nine and thirty five, and Brian Schottenheimer right
now is three five and one.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
No, but no, But what.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
We're saying is is that ownership plays a large part
in the success of a team.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I'm glad you just said that. Look at all the
teams that consistently win the.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Chiefs, Look at the chief Look at the Ravens, look
at the Patriots. Yep, the Ravens. Well, obviously I'm gonna
throw the package in there, because if they're winning organization,
not actually not actually no, getting Lombardi Trophies, but always being,
always being in contention, always being in contenttion. And another thing,
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if one thing that can overcome bad ownership is a
great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
You got to pick him, and sometimes they'll mess that up.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Hey, yeah, that's that too, but having it having a
great having an elite quarterback, and overcome some of the
bad decision making that happens all the way up.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I think the problem that coach dabar ran into ojo is.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
That he realized early on the only guy that can
save my job is the quarterback that we drafted him
in the first round. But in the process of doing that,
he put him in harm's weight because, oh Joe, if
I'm drowning, I don't give a damn boy drowing you
to save myself. I'm I'm trying to keep my head
above water. So if that means you got to go down,
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I gotta stand on your shoulders so big.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
And that's what he did.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
He put this kid in harm's way because he's trying
to save his job is up at the end of
the day.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, I drafted him. Hell I want to coach it.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
And so in the process of putting him in harm's way,
he subjected him to some hips Jackson Dart and I
said this, And now I was early on man the chat.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
They always want to let somebody live.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Now you got your guy in the blue teat damn
near every game because you wanted to let him live.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
You like that fire. I want my quarterback to have energy.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Okay, now look at your quarterback, y'all still like that
Giants player, because you had a lot to say.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I said, you can't run like that. You can't.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You can't have your quarterback being susceptible to those kind
of hits. That's while they're protecting his ass in the pocket.
Once he leave the pocket on him, he's a running
back now look at him. But y'all had a lot
to say if we ain't had that kind of energy
in a long time, and you might not have it again.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Hey listen, he honestly too and as a as a
fan of the game. But watching Jackson dart once he
came in.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But yes, absolutely smart.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
If you do now that comes, that comes on him,
and that's gonna come. He's gonna get that with experience
and understanding. You gotta pick and choose your battles. And
when you picked me better, you got to pick them wide.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, I hope they conced into it because they damn
gonna knock to marbles out of it.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Oh yeah, you got you gotta make business. You got
them make business decisions.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
When you got that ball in hands and you cross
that threshold and you become a runner man.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Aiden.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Boys is not playing with you out there. Man, This
is not college and grown men.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
They're trying to break you because that's the opportunity because
they can't hit your ass in the pocket like they
want to. But what they can do, it's t off
on your ass. When you're out of the pocket. But
they give you something called a protection where you can
slide and they can't touch it. Now, you try to
be a hero, and I get all that. You you
get up and get the fired here the first down,
and you do all this and you get the crowd
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height and all that. Okay, okay, billy badass.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Telling.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I've seen it. I know what they're gonna do. Yeah,
quarterbacks are not used to taking hits like that. They're
not built to take hits like that. So why would
you subject yourself to taking that kind of punishment?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Oh, Joe, You're not gonna take that kind of punishment.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Hold on, And it's a funny thing about it. And
some of the play call it ain't helping.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
No, some of the play calling.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I'm trying to save my damn self. So if you
drive in the process, so big on joke.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, as long as you save my ass.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Why you think he calling those flames? O Joe?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And and I get it, I get it, But Jackson
Dark needs to be smarter and they need to put
an emphasis on it.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Also, Hey Son, get down, you get the first down? Hey,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
It's it's Kyle crowd gets energized with the crowd to
get you fed up.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, they get you, They get.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
You trying to do, trying to do, trying to do
what they want.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, and you're you're exactly right. Let me ask you
a question on YOE who you think will be a
good fit. Who do you think will be a good
fit for the Giants?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
M hmm, Okay, I see how much money they take
from your New York you back one point five you
bring home seven hundred and forty seven thousand, right. Let
me can I can I coach from Vegas? I do
have all my meeting from Zoom.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I'm trying.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
I'm trying to think of a collegiate coach that would
resonate very well with grown men that are in the
inner yea uh brother, Lane.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Kiffin, Lane, you like John Gruden?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Lane Kiff and John Gruden.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
That's that's the only two I can think of off
the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Mike McCarthy, I heard Mike McCarthy ain't thrown around what
about what about?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Uh uh? Hey?
Speaker 5 (35:22):
For for that city though, that city, that city needed
a coach like a Lane Kiff and John Creud. And
that's a little bit fiery you know a little bit
has has a little personality to him.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I think Washington.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
He was the head coach in UH in Arizona, Cliff Kingsbury.
What about Cliff Kingsbury. Now, he normally works really well
with mobile athletic quarterbacks. We saw again with Kyle we
saw what he did with what is done for Jalen
Jane Daniels.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
But would he work with the Jackson dark guy that's mobile,
not quite as athletic as Daniels and and and Kyler.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
But that might that a.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Well, I mean, the thing is it might be a
part of I mean the question is his thing is
they threw it out because you know, the commissioner wanted
to hear its like, no, you're not finna do that.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
You're not finna be the arbitrary. The man soon you
and you hear your own opinion. No hell Now.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
So the question is with the NFL, how's that gonna
play out? Because this thing is going to court. So
do they get a settlement and a part of the
settlement he can come back and coach or is it
a situation where you we're gonna give you money and
you you done. You can cover the league. But you're
not gonna coach in the league.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I like the I like the John Gruden route, John
Gruden and obviously Lane Kevin who coaching in college?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Did you just not hear what I said? He has
a pending lawsuit against the NFL.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
H Let me let me tell you. There's certain there's
certain rules that have been regardless of stuff like that
going on, where they can make it happen.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
If the NFL says we're gonna offer you a settlement,
but you cannot coach in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Oh okay, well hell you know who else had depend
hasn't had a lawsuit against the NFL and it's still coaching.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Brian Flord?
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yeah, yeah, he's coaching.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Is he a head coach?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Now the question is he's had good defenses? You think
he's gonna get a job with that lawsuit? Who's gonna hire?
Because you do realize if he sue the league, who
is he suiting? Suing one of those owners? Yeah, so
it's gonna be a very interesting situation to see how
this plays out. It's kind of like, Oh, Joe, I
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got a lawsuit to get at you? What I want
my job back? Nah? You go ahead and take this
money and go ahead on you ain't getting no job back.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Hey, But honestly, knowing, knowing, knowing how the NFL works,
understanding the ecosystem that they do have, that that that
brotherhood they have amongst each other, I could still see,
you know, things working itself out in ways we won't
be able to explain.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well, if the lawsuit goes away, it'll be explained. But
it's just hard for me to see a scenario. Oh,
tell this man dot he wants sixty he want a
hundred million. They said, you ruined my reputation by leaking
this stuff, right, and you cost me sixty million dollars.
Sixty seventy million dollars that was left on my contract.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Oh all that was all that's off the table.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
He signed a ten year, one hundred million dollar deal.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
A hundred million dollar deal. Yeah, I remember that, but
I thought he was still getting paid for.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
No, you don't give it. They bought, they bought anything years.
Mark Davis didn't want to. He said he didn't want to,
said the NFL forced him to.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Force him to do it. Yeah, uh, who else?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And hear people talk about Clint Kubiak Uh the offensive
the offensive coordinator could get Yeah, he was the offensive
coordinator and Minnesota last year with who was his quarterback
in Minnesota, Sam, he's the offensive coordinator in Seattle. Who's
his quarterback?
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Oh? Sam Donald, It's funny. It's funny how that work too.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Ain't gonna get some strong consideration?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, coach, Hey, Clint, let me get let me, let
me get a job.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Do you really you have to understand also, Clint has
to look at the landscape of the New York Giants.
Understand what you're working with, Understand what you had. When
he was out there in Minnesota, it made things easy,
you know, understand and understand the weapons you have around you.
Now that you are over there and god damn Seattle Adham, Yeah,
now do you do you want to come and and
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and start all over in New York. You do have
Jackson Darrt who was very exciting. Scatterble would be back
next year, Malik neighbors but he she should be, He
should be fine by the start of the season on.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah, he should be. He definitely should be.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
But here's the thing to Joe, Oh Joe, that's still
a gold standard franchise and my first head coaching job
is gonna be with the New York Giants?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Who turns that down?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
No? You you just saw what's the the guy that
was at Philly last year?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
At He was at Dallas OC for a long time.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Kevin Moore, Oh Joe, he.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Took New Orleans. He took the New Orleans job. Give
it a choice, take New Orleans or you're taking.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
The right I got you.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
But but see, it's it's so, it's so, it's so
few times that those opportunities present themselves.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
You have to take them when they do. You have
to take them when they come. Mm hmm. But that's
that's not that's bad. That's a bad one to go into.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Where is Klian Kubiak? Because Cool got three three or
four boys? I know Clinton Climb, both of them coach.
But Climb okay, he was play calling somewhere. He's at
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the Cowboys. Where was it last year? So you're still there?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Okay, Okay?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
He got any other any other son's coaching? I don't,
I don't know. I just know. I just know those
two because there was little kids when I was when
Cool was with me in Denver. Because while they were
probably like five or six when I got to Denver.
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Maybe they were they were small, really really really young.
But it's look, there's gonna be some names that's gonna
be playing. Oh he had he been at the Niners. Okay, okay,
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you see how you see how you see how that
think you say, you say that ecosystem pet he said
what Joe, Oh.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Hey, may listen. I'm listening to you. I'm listening.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
I'm listening to ass run off all the names in
the different places that they're at.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Hey, it's it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
All those guys.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Hey, cool, Hey, Mike gave Cool his start when Coole
got the job at the Houston, Texas, right, Kyle was
his OC mm hmm. Now then everything he had when
they was in Washington, Kyle was the o C. Sean
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McVay was there, Mike McDaniel was there, Raheem Moore with
Raheem Morris was there. Go back and look at that
all those guys that were there, and all they do
is ay.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah they do.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Then well, hey, it's easy on them because the wife
takes care of because they they made not one parent
teacher conference.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
They ain't been no recital, David Jack.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
But it's tough bad because a coach is like, hey,
you leave home and one the next day they graduating
high school.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
You then you don't miss damn near everything.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
Hey, it goes by does and so.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
But I think they're gonna be There's gonna be a
lot of available candidates. It's gonna be interesting to see,
like how these lawsuits play out with Brian Flords, how
they play.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Out with uh, John Gruden.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
You know, like I said, I think they're gonna be
you know, Clint Kobak is gonna get he's gonna get here,
get some looks. The way that offense, the way the
offense looked, and and and last year, yeah, the way
it's looking now.
Speaker 5 (44:42):
Yeah, Hey, but but will you be able to make
that offense over there in New York look.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Like decordinator They balled out.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Hey, I'm I'm it just it just makes sense.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Pairing the quarterback where we had because we had success
in college.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
It just it just makes it. It makes too much
sense to me. And bringing in brother brother Kiffin from
from old Miss.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
No, I wasn't okay with doctor y'all hear what y'all
want to hear.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
No, Oh, but you was okay with the Broncos scoring
ten points.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
No, I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I was living that they only score ten points against
that team.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
But I get it.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I get it. I'm a Bronco. You didn't tune in.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
You didn't tune in that night, but you're tuning in now,
and so you hear me talk about the offense scoring uh,
the offense on the score ten points or seven points.
I get it. I get it. I get it. You're right.
I didn't. I did, though. Everybody that was here saw
heard me say, this is bow knicks that ain't good enough.
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That's not good enough. You never accept anything in a win.
You wouldn't in a loss. Y'all heard me say that
over and over, and you tell are we tired of
hearing that? But y'all hear what y'all want to s Yeah,
I know when it is when anybody that's really never
played sports and only looks at I get it. That's
why a lot of times, don't Yoe like I used
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to be like going back and forth, I'm like, hold on,
what the hever am I doing? I'm going back and
forth with somebody that never played football, let alone played
on the level that I played, or played at the
level of which I played.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Why am I talking to y'all about football?
Speaker 5 (46:28):
Sometimes sometimes they don't understand myself.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I said, I'm going, I'm kind to ex played when
we got this concept they do with this blah blah blah.
I'm like, where a damn minute, they don't know the
difference between a screenplay and a screen porch and I here,
I am.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
My mom's out there and on social media debating.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Them, going going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Ay.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Sometimes sometimes the way you see the game, they don't
see it.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I know they don't a little bit. And that's why. See,
that's why they have to have sound. They need somebody
to tell them what's going on.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
I know formation, I know personnel, I know coverages, I
know all of that. I'm not interested that they scored, congratulations.
I need to know why they scored, how they scored,
what coverage was the defense? En, That's what I'm looking at. Okay,
were you in twenty one personnel? Were you're in twelve?
Were you're eleven? Were you were you in empty set?
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Whether the fifty protection, whether the jet protection, whether the
seventy protection, whether it's cat protection. Were you in jumbo?
And then I tried to what, Well, we didn't play
the game. Okay, they was, but the quick we didn't
play the game. You should know, Captain Nobvius, what it was,
Captain Obvioce. Why don't you say it?
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Hey, that's that's funny.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
So that's why you know.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Hey, And when I when I tweet something, O Joe,
it's not that I can't either side. I'm just saying
what I noticed. I tweeted in real time. I was like,
how can I see that in real time? Officials at
the game, they can't got got moved?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Oh Joe? That guy was that the guard?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Before the had even snapped the ball, he was damn
there collide with the packer defender.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
Yeah, hey that touch push. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
I don't know what the rest looking at. But it
was something that they said they were going to be
paying attention to. They were making the call earlier early
in the season. It seemed they they've stopped calling it
and it's playing as they especially if you got.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
If you got too, if you got to I didn't
move in before the balls, that's all. You gotta look
at it on Joe, hold on his head is in
front of the ball. How is that possible.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
I'm like, but he he must have been looking at
his men.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
You're like, okay, why say she wanted General Joe's chicken
some move, move got.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Paying rice, some egg young some move.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I had the General Joe's chicken. I don't like the
booboo got padded.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
What the hell is that at the Chinese restaurant?
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Oh uh oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Mike Tomlin was asked to assess his quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers
performance last night.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Let's take a listen to what he had to say.
Mm hmm, how would you.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
See, O, Joe when I come in here and I say,
Aaron Rodgers didn't play well? So forth and song. As
you get older, you just cannot allow. You can't summons
it up like you once could.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Game in game, in game.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
You can have those splash games, but they come far
and few and far between. Oh you just man, you
don't like that man. You just he ever since he
didn't take the back scene, you got a problem with him.
It's like, I'm just telling you, based on Aaron Rodgers,
having watched this man for fifteen Since two thousand and
(50:04):
four I retired, Aaron became the starting quarterback. I think
in like eight So for the better part of seventeen
eighteen years, I watched this man. Y'all think, y'all think
it seems like I'm just dumb, Like I just be
talking out my tail.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Right, I like?
Speaker 4 (50:22):
I like? I like Tomin's answer too. Yeah like it.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
Hey listen, Aaron, Hey, yeah, there's no need for me
to go in death. You know you watched him. You
watched his performance. It was lackluster.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
We can't win with you playing like that.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
No, Aaron said it. Aaron said, I've got to play better.
So if I say Aaron needs to play better, he's
not playing like he's playing like an old Aaron Rodgers.
Not the old Aaron Rodgers. Oh you hate it. He
come out and say exactly what I said last night. Now,
let me let me mispronown somebody's name. Let me let
(51:03):
me be wrong or something. Boy, they can they killed
my food, they flood my timeline. But when Aaron Rodgers
said exactly what I said, you can hear. You can
hear a mouse peeling on cotton, a bell love it.
That's how quieted be ojo mm hmm. Aaron, if you
(51:24):
watched the game, if you watched Aaron Rodgers and you
watched last night game, I was like Aaron Rodgers missing throws.
He missed DK early in the game. That could have
been a big play because you know, on the road,
get a big play on the far cross, Ojo, that's
a big play, a big a forty yard forty fifty
yard touchdown.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
That's down on the road.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Now you got the quote the crowds hitting on the
hands ain't nothing to cheer about. He underthrew Austin. I
don't know the way Austin was catching the ball last night,
he probably threw.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
It back at it. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
I don't know, Joe, I was I'm a little nervous,
I little heaven to say if a sure fire it
was a short fire catchup, just saying he might to it.
But if you watch the game, I mean, look, maybe
you don't know if it's three or five step drive.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
You don't know, if it's his own read, you don't know.
Maybe you don't know all.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
That stuff, but you know if a quarterback's playing well,
And you watched the game last night, even if you're
a Steelers fan, even if you're the biggest Aaron Rodgers supporter,
you know, he didn't play well last night, and it's
okay to say that, but it's almost like, don't say
anything bad about my quarterback. Speak honestly about everybody else quarterback.
Just don't say nothing bad about my quarterback. I'm not
(52:38):
saying anything bad. He just didn't play well. I ain't
say he a bad person. I'm just saying he was
a bad quarterback last night. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:47):
And the good thing about it too, with him not
playing well, it looks good on him obviously. You can
tell he's actually at the Steelers and him taking accountability
on not playing well.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
You know, there were no point to fingers. No, I
like that.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
And with with some issues that he did when he
was with the Jets when certain plays weren't made and
when those players weren't made, and he spoke about it
after the game, he.
Speaker 4 (53:12):
Actually pointed the fingers, you know. So I'm glad he is.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
The problem what he has, though, Joe, is that he
doesn't have enough players on the offense side of the
football to lift him up when he's not playing well. See,
that's the problem that you run into because sometimes you know,
you get guys that can take a simple route. You're
not playing well, that can take a simple route. They
can make a touch of an acrobatic catch. Give you
a prime example, Davonte Smith to night.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
You see that catch, say save you every time?
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yeah, sometimes guys make plays.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
You're having a bad game, but a guy can make
a play here or there, and all of a sudden
you get to win. And you didn't play well, but
you get guys to elevate you and help the ship rise.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I didn't get that last night. I don't think he
has enough of that.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Outside of DK, I nobody puts fear in my I
think fried muth is a is a is a quality
tight end. Now I'm not taking over McBride or or
or or tier two. He's a tier I'm not taking
any of those top guys. But I think he's a
solid He's a solid tight end. But DK is really
the only guy. And if you double him, does any
(54:16):
does Austin or any of those other guys put fear
in you know they don't they don't.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
I mean, listen, Calvin Cavan, Austin the third, as fast
as he is, as explosive as he is, he should
be one that puts fear in defenses. He should be
one that he just I don't know if they use
him the correct way to do that. But if I'm
not mistaken, he was four two. If I'm not mistaken,
maybe for one something like that.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
As you play like Austin the first because I can't
tell he for one two, man, go ahead on him.
I can't tell you that fast, but see her. There's
a difference between being fast and playing fast, because we've
(55:03):
seen guys run four two and they play like they
run for six. And I've seen guys run four six
that play like their four three four two. So running
fast and playing fast. Jerry played fast. Yeah, Jerry ran
for six seven, but he played fast. It's one thing
to run four two with shorts and a T shirt.
(55:24):
It's another thing to run four six, four or five
with shoulder pants and cleats, right, because that's what you're playing.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
So yeah, I get it. It's nice. Oh boy, hey
he ran four two.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
I put him in a helmet and put him in
some shoulder paths and cleats, and now all of a
sudden chose he played like he run four seven.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Damn son, I know you faster than that.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
Yeah, you know what, there's there's a thing called you know,
players that carry their past real well? And the thing, yeah,
can you carry your past?
Speaker 5 (55:52):
Can you still be as efficient when you're in shorts
and shirt when you had a helmet and pass on?
Speaker 3 (55:58):
Man?
Speaker 4 (55:58):
That that that that is a thing, which it was
just crazy.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
But guess what oo, when you run that forty, ain't
nobody trying to tear your damn head off.
Speaker 3 (56:07):
See when you four two four two.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Four three, all you do is get to the safety
quicker so you can knock your ass out.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
That's it. And one of the funny things I ever heard.
Speaker 5 (56:21):
I I forgot who said I gotta make sure I
say it right, is I'm just fast enough to make
sure the person chasing me can catch me.
Speaker 4 (56:31):
I don't care not about no. I don't care no
about no for these arms. All I need to do
is be faster than the person and chasing me. That's it.
Speaker 3 (56:39):
That's as fast as you need to be.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
It doesn't do me any good to have all that speed,
and I don't know how to use it. You can
have an arsenal gun, don't know how. You can't hit nothing,
So what good is four two speed If you can't
use it? You can't control it, and I'll run you shop.
He probably can, but I bet you'll chase me in
(57:02):
the end zone.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
I bet you that.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Hey, but everything you know how everything is made. But
I love the way because a lot of times this
has rubbed me. This is what's rubbed me wrong about
Aaron Rodgers is not taking accountability when he played poor,
or showing up the receiver and talking about do this
and do all that, don't do that. That's what rubbed
me the wrong way about him was a lack of accountability.
(57:31):
I got no problem with what he said. He owned it.
He didn't play well, he realized it. In order for
them to get to where they need to be and
where they want to be, he's gonna have to play
better because he's the only guy that touches the ball
every single snap and in order for them to get
to where they need to be, Oh Joe, he's got
to play better.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
Yeah, But.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
As you said last night, they got a bunch of names,
but them names ain't playing well.
Speaker 3 (57:56):
We'll leave it at.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
That, Oh Joe and fol have gone viral just taking
the sack last night, captured by Marci Yo sand chance
of the AP.
Speaker 5 (58:05):
And we got hitting that jaw too. Yeah, it's a
good thing he got that. It's a good thing he
got the new helmet on.
Speaker 3 (58:12):
Man, you better get a motorcycle helmet.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Hey that that's that's a good hit too.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Boy.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
Look here at forty one. Oh y'all.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
I wasn't trying to take no shots like that in
my twenty You think I want to take a shot
like that in.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
My partist like that in Yeah? Mm hmm. That's that's
a good picture right now, that's a good picture.
Speaker 3 (58:35):
He must was.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
He was that was that in the pocket, because I'm
surprised they didn't call that cause you know, you can't
hit your he you can't hit a quarterback with your helmet.
So he had to be scrambling.
Speaker 4 (58:45):
Not yeah, not not not the crown of your He
that hurt.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
Nah. He was probably thinking, I wish I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Rogers a a ear whole shots hurt man? Oh oh, Joe,
them the one that knocked your ass out. When you
get hit, get caught, or you get.
Speaker 5 (59:11):
Mm hm oh yeah in the right place right here,
right here round the decal that that knee by accent
and it doesn't even look like it's hard either.
Speaker 4 (59:22):
Hold on let me let me get this out of
the door.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
Man, Aaron's like, this ain't what I signed up for. Man,
I'm I'm, I'm I'm If Aaron forty forty forty one,
he about to be forty, if he about to be
forty two, if he already forty eighty forty, damn yeah, Aaronson,
damn this, Aaron Adam made me three hundred million dollars.
(59:44):
I ain't got no sense. I I ain't Peter I
said I'd have made three three, three fifty man later
for this.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
I ain't tried to do all I ain't try to
do all this.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
The accumulation, those chat you know, those those those hits
ladd up Aaron Rodgers probably what two fifteen.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
You ain't trying to take no hits like that hill
running back.
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
So, I mean Derrick Henry really tried to take no
ear hole shots, no jaw shot like that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Man, those those those ish adds up.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Man, I know that hurt. That hurt My got my
jaw hurting. I'm thinking about it. Oh he bracing for that.
I mean, at the last second, you feel that hit coming,
you try to brace for it.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
But a ain't ain't nothing you can do it. Look, Oh,
that's the close up. You got to close.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I don't blame. I don't want to I don't want
to see that either. Man,
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Oh Joe Eagles ten Packers seven. A scoreless first half,
the first time in nearly two years that the NFL
(03:13):
has had a scoreless first half, but the Eagles make
enough plays. A big play over the top of thirty
six yards Jayalen hurts to Devonte's Slaith, former teammates at
the University of Alabama, and that was really the difference
in the ball game as they win ten to seven.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Oh y'a, I'm gonna let you take it. Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Unless you're a defensive guy.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Unless you're a defensive guyr.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Microphone where you're cold, you muffle.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Oh shoot, hey, I'm glad. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad.
I'm glad. You said something. Can you now?
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, I say, unless you're a defensive guy. That's
the only way you enjoyed this game. That's the only
way you enjoyed this game.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
You expect you expect a lot of you.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
You expect a lot of points, especially from the Green
Bay Packers the way we talked about them before the
season started, with all the weapons that they have, Jordan
Love actually continuing to get better, you know, year to year.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
And it was bad.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It was bad.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Sat Quan almost got loose a little bit.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
So I expected him to finally make make make his
uh his visit to the party and having a big
game and do some and yeah, and do some of
the things that Jonathan Taylor has been doing as of late.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
But that didn't happen. It was a close game.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
It was a game where the team with the fewest
mistakes was going to win, the team with the fewest
mistakes were going to win, and in the end there
was an opportunity for green Bay to be able to.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Tie it, and it just it just didn't happen. They missed.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
I'm not sure if you enjoyed this game. Maybe maybe
you might have liked it, uh, based based on what
you saw. But I'm not gonna call it the snooze
fest because I was hyped before the game started. Oh
my goodness, the Packers playing. Oh the Eagles play, it's
gonna I thought maybe it would have been a ball,
it's gonna be a barn burner, but hey, it was.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
It was upsetting.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Uh yeah, it left a lot to be desired.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I mean, we're thinking about two teams, two quarterbacks that's
been to the Pro Bowl, one quarterback that's one that's
won a Super Bowl, he's been a Super Bowl MVP.
I don't think either quarterback played particularly well in this game.
I thought Jalen Hursts made the throws that he needed
to make, especially that big one to the Vonta Smith
could have put a nice a ribbon on that box,
a bowl, a nice bowl on the box had he
(05:25):
hit to drop that one in the bucket to aj A.
I don't care what y'all say, Eagles fan, ain't no
way aj coming back next year. But we'll talk about
that a little another day in time.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I just I just don't get Jordan Love, the mistakes
that he makes. They gotta throw him seven. You run,
you run the over concept. I'm gonna dangle this cheese
out here in front of you hoping somebody go to
the short route.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
No, boy, don't you throw it. They did.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
The Eagles played it exactly how you draw it up.
They jumped, they dump musk Grave on the on the
short route, and you got the end cut coming in
behind him for the first down, and he takes the
seven yards when you need nine. I'm confused, bro, And
and I was like, damn, I wonder what what Laflour
is thinking. And then he went and looked at it
(06:12):
on the eyepad. He said, you got to be eating me,
you got to be hitting me. And then he's getting
I mean, he steps up in the pocket instead of
all these guys breaking free all I mean, he got
the shot across breaking free, he got the end cut
breaking free, he got the over breaking free, and it
takes off running like he Lamar Jackson, bro throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, the contract that he got, he earned that, but
he's not meaning expectations of what they happened. And I
told you, I said, even with this Michael trade, are
we sure they're better than the Rams?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I've asked you that. I said, oh yo, are we sure?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah? And that was a hard one back then to
answer that question. Honestly it was.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
It was a hard one, especially you know with the
way the season started, the expectations that they did have,
have the expectations that we had watching.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Jordan Love and what he's been able to do. Uh
as of late. I mean, you you would think, hell,
they're gonna be right down and running.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
George Love is just a little bit too inconsistent for
my fancy and the throws that he's missing. Ohoe, if
that's a rookie quarterback or second year quarterback. I've kind
of give him a little lead. Yeah, I kind of
give him a little grace. But when you've a Pro
Bowl quarterback, when you have the level expectations, when you've
earned the money that you're making, you can't make those mistakes.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You get in facked and you're gonna do what you do.
You try to pack them ball to Josh Jacob. Josh Jacob, Okay,
they coming on the bliz. You hit the guy, leak out,
either break out or break in. You can't keep straight
up the field, bro, You gotta give him an angle
to throw you the football. This is why I can't
(07:52):
coach Ojo. Some things they shouldn't have to tell you. You know,
damn well, Josh Jacobs, you're not gonna run no route.
If you sleeping out and you're gonna keep straight up
the field, You're gonna break out or you're gonna break in,
because you gotta give him Alena throw you the football.
So I don't I don't blame Jordan Love for that
for missing that throw, because they're like, Bro, if you
break out, you give me I mean, think about it.
(08:12):
You got bron on your hip. You catch this, ain't
no telling how far are you gonna go? The Eagles
the one thing they're gonna do, they're gonna make plays.
They're gonna find a way to get the ball. I
thought green May did a great job of Jalen Hurst
get the ball, gets going, get picks up a big
and the guy comes in punches it out. I was like, Okay,
Green Bay, you might be onto something, but you know
(08:33):
you gotta protect the ball for four quarters when you
play the Eagles, because they're very opportunistic. They'll find a
way to get the ball out. Oh Joe, I just
need you to help me with one thing and then
I'm gonna let you go take it. It's fourth and one.
Why you trying to go in a hurry when you've
already got first of all, they missed your first the
first ball start on the quarterbacks sneak.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
In the first quarter. They missed that one.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
The damn show missed the one of the twie push.
I'm trying to figure out, how can I see things
in real time? The official that the damn game can't.
We'll get to that a minute.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
They're not supposed to call it.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
They're not.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
He got fourth and one. This is the money down.
Take the time out. Give me your best. Fourth and one,
Give me your best for Okay, what do we like
on fourth and one? What do you a Jordan? What
are you like on fourth and one? We got three
options right here?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I like this. Which one do you like? Receiver?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Hm? When they go when they go double tight, when
they go jumbo formation, they got four line, they got
one center guard, tackle, extra offensive lineman. That extra offensive
lineman is a tight end. You got to back your
ass up. You're the zer receiver. The guy to the
open side now he's the ex receiver.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Boy, look here, sometimes, oh Joe, what I get up
said about? Sometimes I'll be watching these guys play. If
Dyna my with brain, they couldn't blow the nose.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Look at here.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
This is why chap. I mean, it's common sense. Oh Joe,
you've got an extra lineman. He's on the ball. He's
not a tight end. You've got the back off. Yeah,
the open side is now the ex receiver.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It's just it's just common it's just so. It it
may maybe maybe it's me because some things you just like,
Oh Joe, it's just calmon knowledge. I could just like
really think on the fly and just like, Okay, I'm
supposed to be on the ball. I made the mistake
one time and it cost us a big play, and
I promise I'd never be in that situation again. I
(10:45):
know who's supposed to be on the ball, but if
he lines up on the ball, ohhoe, ain't no harm,
no power. I'll back up off the ball instead of
having a play where now all of a sudden we'll
have an illegal formation because me, I'm supposed to be
on the ball. You're supposed to be on Nah, nah
na na, you get on the ball, I'll get off
a lot of times, guys, I like to be on
(11:05):
the ball A lot of times. Guys don't like to
be on the ball because you're closer to the defender.
I like building the ball because it's gonna give an
opportunity to get my hands on you, because I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Throw your ass.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know you know what that tells me too.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
And after after one two, three, three, four, four days
to prepare, after three days of two days of real
of real practice fridays of Fast Friday, I mean one
day of Fast Friday, that that actual play that they
did call on that fourth and one is one that
they didn't go over many times, one that they didn't
rehearse very many times, one that they didn't go through
and walk through on Saturday on Saturday mornings.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
You know when we talk about situational football in.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Case this comes up on four down, and these are
the plays we choose from. This is the alignment that
we need. That's that's why that happened.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Why you yo, this is the most important this is
This is for the game? Oh yeah, why would you
watch it? I would rather take a time out because
the likelihood of you getting the ball back if and
if you do get the ball back, oh your you're
not gonna get it back with a whole bunch of time.
So now, and you look at the position that you're in.
Look where you are, bro, I'm like, you got to
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be kidding me. You rush that on fourth and one? Normally,
O Yo. If I'm gonna invest something and this is
my last, ain't you put it round right there?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Ojo.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I'm gonna think about this. Okay, let me think about this. Okay,
this is my absolute last.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Here you got and it got to be got to be,
got to.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Be the best option. I mean the Eagles. The one
thing they don't they don't they're not gonna do. And
you can think about Sirianni whatever you want. They're not
gonna beat themselves. They're not gonna beat themselves. They're gonna
line up properly. The line is gonna be where they're
supposed to be. If a guy's on the ball, he's
gonna be on the ball. If the guy's off the ball,
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he's gonna be off the ball. Defensively, they're gonna be
where they're supposed to be. Man, I watched the situation
where they had they ran twenty two man. They ran
what we call cover five O Joe twenty two man. Yeah, Man,
I watched my Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
M Man. I thought it was a Congo movie. Romeo
doms ain't movie. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ain't
moved nowhere. Oh damn sun Oh you don't laugh back.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Man, oh Joe ha ha ha.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
And he ain't moved quick. Mitchell like stabbed it with
one and he just standing up to roll. You got
to be all that dancing is fine if you're at
the disco, but when you're on the football.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Field, you got to be moving forward.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Because the quarterback comes as he's going back and you're
still at the line of scrimmage. Oh yeah, And remember
we had the conversation Josh Jacobs said, we need a dog.
We got some good reading it and all the receivers
got mad and they need a dog.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Go ton they need to go.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
They got they got they got good, They got quality receivers.
I think Watson is the best. But he can't stay healthy.
He got so much speed, he got hamstring, he had
his knee. He can't stay healthy.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Well, listen, listen what we're looking for when we talked
about a dog. They have such good quality wide receivers
that are really good at doing different things. All this,
all these little fine tuning up. It ain't nothing but
a little fine.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
But they need to come see you so they can
get so they can find tune it.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Hey, and let me tell you something. Everybody, every if
you think about it, everybody that came to that wide
receiver workshop and July, you see what they doing this.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Year, right, hey, j JSN.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
JSN had my eyes wide open being able to see
him in person.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
There.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I saw him at Ohio State. I seen him at
the Rose Bowl, you know, I saw him. I saw
him saw a little a little bit last year, but
I was not expecting this. I didn't expect what I'm
seeing now, you know, And just listen, Dobbs Wicks, Jayden Reed,
come on back down here, man, bringing boys with you.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Man, let's politic together.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Continue to work on our craft, continue to work on
our game and get better for situations like today, For
Knights like today, we're plays where plays don't come often,
and the ones that you do make you got to
make a difference.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
These are the reasons why you get paid the million.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
These type of games are the reasons why you get
paid the big bucks.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Look for me, I think the way the Eagles are
gonna have to win, They're gonna have to win the
game more on Jalen Hurt's arms than say, one legs,
as opposed.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
To what it was last year. Teams are not gonna
let him run wild.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Last year, it seemed like every game we've coming out
here and we're like, man, how y'all keep letting this
man hit his head on the goal post from sixty Yeah,
how y'all let him hit his goal ahead on the
goal post twice from fifty plus.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Now there's like we're gonna shut this water off.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Have to give water elsewhere, and elsewhere is gonna be
in the form of Jalen hurts, his legs and his arms.
But they do a great job. Jalen is rare that
hurts turns the ball over. They got it out the night.
You know, they got him going down and then boom, dude,
get it with the peanut punch. Did a great job
of getting it out. But if I'm the Packers, the
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pack it's a team game. But you know, the frustration
is starting to get built. Oh, Joe bro We held
that team to ten points. We held that team to
ten points. We held Sakwan Barkley to sixty yards. We
held the quarterback to under two hundred yards passing.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
M h.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
That's gotta be enough. Well, it wasn't enough.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So you're gonna have to find ways that Like, you're
gonna have to create more turnovers. You're gonna have to
put him. You're gonna have to put the opposing quarterback
under the rest. Now, granted, that's a good offensive line.
The big right tackle he got Nick came out, but
you see when the rubber needed to meet the roll
on that fourth down, he brought his ass back in
the game. Because Lane Johnson, because that's how much it
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means to it. But this this Green this Green Bay
Packers team. Man, they gotta do some soul searching because
the Lions, hey, hold on, they got they played the
Lions on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
No thing.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I think that's the Thanksgiving Day game.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I believe so. Yes, games that the Packers.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Packers, they got at Giants, they got at the Vikings,
at home at Lions on Thanksgiving. Hey, and just so
you know, they got the Bears twice. The Bearers ain't
no easy winning.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
No no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
No no.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And you go to Denver.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Where they gonna they gonna beat, they gonna be.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You see that pass rush? Who you think got a
better pass rush? U should eat us? Are the Eagles?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I mean with you you know, you know the.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Broncos pass rushes exactly? Hey about forget the pass rush, defense,
defense as a whole.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
On all three levels.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
They got the rail the game.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And the Vikings beginning the Eagles remaining schedule Lions at
home at Cowboys, Bears at home at Chargers, Raiders at
home at Commanders at Bills.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Ooh hey, they it's two games where you kind of
you kind of can almost you know with the way
the Eagles play and knowing Jalen Hurts how opportunistic Key is,
and that he doesn't turn them all over. It's two
games you could already knock off right there, the Raiders
and Commanders. You would probably say, you know what, they
gonna win those two? Now everything else, Boy's up and there.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
They got the Lions at home Sunday night. Then they
go on the road at Cowboys. They get the Bears
at home. That's a Thursday night game. No no, no, no, no, no,
no no, that's a Friday game. It's Black Friday game.
Then at Chargers to the Monday night game. Or the
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Raiders and the Commanders the Bills. We don't know what
bills we're gonna get. Will Josh Allen protect the football?
Because when he doesn't protect the football, they're very average.
Look at the games that they lost. They lost to Atlanta,
Josh turned the ball over. They got blown out. What
were thirty nothing? They lost Sunday to the Dolphins. What happened?
Turn the ball over?
Speaker 5 (19:23):
They got me there. Now only turn the ball over
for the damn jump. Dolphins jumped out on them. They
jumped out on him and having to play from behind.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And how they jump out, got a turnover. You got
to take care.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You gotta take care of the football. Look, I think
the thing is we've done it. We've we've kind of
built these games up.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
We saw early on, we see how the Packers look,
we sell the Eagles look, and we were expecting the
same thing last night. We think, oh man, we're gonna
get some point. No, no, no, no, we're not. So
I'm just going, like, you know what, I'm gonna have
no moving forward, Chad. I'm gonna have no expectations of
games going in. If they score, if they score up
to seventy five between the two of them, I'm happy.
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If they score twelve between the two of them, I'm
happy with that too. So I'm done with the expectation
to get my hopes up, because this was some bull
drive tonight.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Hey let me let me tell you it was some
bull drive. And one of the things you said one
of the reasons why you can't coach, but but in
in a Bible, in a Bible that says, order my
steps and buy in which a way I should walk,
and and in God, these these people.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Brian de Ball, Brian.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Kelly, you know, these people keep getting fired, and we
keep talking about it, and you really not seeing God's vision.
You not really getting the message because he's not sending
it clear enough to you, but it's clear enough to me.
And he's trying to audio steps, but you're refusing to
walk in the path in which he's creating for you,
which is a head.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Is a head, Coach, Come on the Lions. They got
the Lions Sunday Night, and then they're at the Cowboys.
Then they get the Bearers on Black Friday, and then
they got the Chargers on Monday night, and then they
have the Raiders and the Commanders, and then they're at
the Bills.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
On the twenty eighth.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Oh, and then they're commanders, and then they're commanders, which
will be we don't know where that's gonna be. Probably nothing,
because at that point in time, the Commanders will be
eliminated from the playoffs and so nobody's gonna They're not
gonna get flexed into a Sunday.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Night or anything else of that nature. So that's where
the Eagles are.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
The Eagles have the Lions Sunday Night at Cowboys, Bears
at home at Chargers on Monday night, Raiders at home
at Commanders at Bills, Commanders at home. So they got
a formidable schedule. But they have the type of team.
They've been here, they're battle tested, so they're not gonna
be They're not gonna get too high.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Look, it's a big time winning on a Monday night.
It got a hey, I'm sure Syrian even telling them.
It doesn't get any easier. We got a tough one
again next Sunday night. We played Monday. We got a
short week. So and the thing is that, you know
the thing with the NFL. Now, oh Joe, they breaking
down film, so you hey, you can get out, but
you can get you can get your pay.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
You get on an I pad right now and start
going over what the Lions like to do on on.
We didn't. We didn't have it like that. We weren't
able to get stuff until Monday.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
You know, they have a couple of cut ups already
broke down for us and we could see certain things.
Now you get a head start. They done got a
head start. They're working ahead of schedule. But the Eagles
move to seven and two. Uh, the Eagles have if
the playoffs were to start now, the Eagles would be
the number one seed. Seahawks would be number two, Lions
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number three, Tampa number four Rams. Even though they have
a tie for the first best record, Seahawks, actually Seahawks
have the tie break over them. So the Lions would
be in the fifth seed, the Bears would be the
sixth seed, and the Packers would be because of five
three and one, they would be the seventh and final seed.
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So that's where we are with that right there. Packers
remaining schedule at Giants Vikings at home at Lions on Thanksgiving,
Bears home, Broncos on the road, Bears at Bears. That's Packers,
Ravens at home at Vikings.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
So hm, that's a.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Little formidable schedule right there. Oh Joe, We talked about
this last night. We didn't see it coming so soon,
but the Giants head coach Brian Daball has been relieved
of his duties after flowing another double digit lead Sunday
in Chicago. Giants co owner John Marraw and Steve Tish
said today, the past few seasons have been nothing short
of disappointing, and we have not met our expectations for
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this franchise. We understand the fust stration of our fans,
and we will work to deliver significant improved product. Assistant
coach opfensive coordinator Mike Kafka will serve as the Giants
and them head coach. Day Ball twenty forty and one.
As Giants head coach, his three thirty six twenty percentage
puts him behind Ben.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Ben mcadud.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
No, he had a bunch of a cheesecake factory, that
big menu he had and Ray Perkins fired two of
fired two of the three head coach coordinators and flip
flop play calling with others. Replaced five or nine position
coach started seven different quarterbacks, had a renting record with
none of them.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
He's fired as the Giants because he didn't win.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
This really is really that simple, No, owners, John Marron,
Steve Tish, you fail. How's the general manager still there
because he hired him? How's he still there? Daniel Jones
is gone? Say Kwan Barkley is gone. He drafted Evan
Neil so yes, So you think you're gonna get an
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improved product when when the general manage, the guy that's
making all the decisions, he's still there. I'm not saying
Brian Dave Balls should or should not have been fired.
That's we can We'll discuss that a minute. But I've
tried to figure out how saw shown has been able
to keep.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
His damn job.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Hey, And.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Honestly, regards to what coach comes in there, they're probably
gonna get fired.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
They've gone through multiple coaches.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, they've gone through They've been going through multiple coaches,
and for for Brian dave Ball to get fired, it's
kind of somewhat understandable. He's he's had leading games in
multiple games this season. He had leading games early in
the game, and they lost on the back They lost
on the back end. It's about bad game that they
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should have continued to be able to have some type
of success after having the leads they've had, and they
squandered every everyone.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
You mean you didn't win not one of those.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I think they had four leads going into the fourth quarter, right, Yes,
I mean they had a twenty six eight, twenty six
nine lead over the Broncos, they had a twenty ten
lead over the Bears.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
They had to lead with the Cowboys with like fourteen seconds.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The guy comes on you a big, big field goal
and they end up winning in an overtime.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Oh, here it is Week two. They led thirteen three,
lost forty to thirty seven. At the Saints, they led
fourteen to three, lost twenty six fourteen the Broncos. They
led twenty six to eight, lost thirty three, thirty two
with the Bears Theys and they led twenty to ten,
lost twenty four to twenty.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Yeah, and one thing about it, we always say, coaches coaches, coaches, coaches,
coaches coach. You can have one hundred coaches, one hundred
different coaches coming there, and all one hundred are gonna
get fired.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Yeah, all one hundred are gonna get fire.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
And listen, some accountabilitygue has to be put on, put
on the players as well, you know. But but obviously
the coaching staff too. And the one person who is
see oversees all that is Brian.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
So at this point it was time.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
No, Brian, don't coach the team. He ain't got no say.
He probably didn't have any say over the final fifty three.
He probably had no saying free agency, he probably had
no saying to draft. Hell now he happy to have
a job.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Hold on.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
So it sounded like somebody they running shover there like
like like that, like that team they got that Star.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yes, yes, Yes, That's why I laughed when Jerry told
me he thought about hiring Sean Payton. Man, you actually
think Sean Payton's gonna come in there and the only
thing he's gonna be as a coach. He ain't gonna
have no say on the final fifty three. He's not
gonna have any say over the draft. He's not gonna
have any sale free agency. He's just gonna stand there
and coach, and then when things go wrong, they gonna
blame him, just like.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
All the coaches he fired.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
How many coaches that he had since he fired Jimmy
Uh who took up at the gym with it?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
He had who that they Campo?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
He had Dave Campo, he had a Chan Gaylor, who
was my old position coach. He had Wade Feller and
Jason Garrett, Uh, Mike McCarthy. Now he's probably had more
than that right.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Until damn. You know, hey, John, Mary, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
You know when you had a lot to say about
what the fans, what the fans was saying, because you
was reading all their mail when they was calling in
and talking about camp and all that. You read the mail.
Let's read some of the mail. What they're saying about
you see, if they're happy with you and what you've
been able to do with this franchise. Yeah, because if
y'all ain't y'all look, y'all have been close since y'all
got really since Eli retired, your your bungle dad had
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Eli had all those consecutive starts. Then you start Geno
and then you start Eli getting after you to break
the man street.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
You know, you know, you know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Bart Basha Swisser came after Jimmy, so it was Baron Swiftzer.
Then I think it was Parcells Campbell. Oh they had
ten coaches, Okay, so Jimmy Johnson, Barry Swizzer, Chan Gaily,
Dave Campbo, Bill Parceells, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy,
Brian Shott. Jimmy Johnson had a five fifty five fifty
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winning percentage, Barry Swisser had sixty twenty five. Chan Gaily
was eighteen and fourteen, Dave Campbo was fifteen and thirty
three fifteen to thirty three. Bill Parceells was thirty four
and thirty WAYE. Phillips was thirty four and twenty two.
Jason Garrett was eighty five and sixty seven, Mike McCarthy
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was forty nine and thirty five, and Brian Schottenheimer right
now is three five and one.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
No, but no, But what.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
We're saying is is that ownership plays a large part
in the success of a team.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
I'm glad you just said that. Look at all the
teams that consistently win the.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Chiefs, Look at the chief Look at the Ravens, look
at the Patriots. Yep, the Ravens. Well, obviously I'm gonna
throw the package in there, because if they're winning organization,
not actually not actually no, getting Lombardi Trophies, but always being,
always being in contention, always being in contenttion. And another thing,
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if one thing that can overcome bad ownership is a
great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
You got to pick him, and sometimes they'll mess that up.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Hey, yeah, that's that too, but having it having a
great having an elite quarterback, and overcome some of the
bad decision making that happens all the way up.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I think the problem that coach dabar ran into ojo is.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
That he realized early on the only guy that can
save my job is the quarterback that we drafted him
in the first round. But in the process of doing that,
he put him in harm's weight because, oh Joe, if
I'm drowning, I don't give a damn boy drowing you
to save myself. I'm I'm trying to keep my head
above water. So if that means you got to go down,
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I gotta stand on your shoulders so big.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
And that's what he did.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
He put this kid in harm's way because he's trying
to save his job is up at the end of
the day.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, I drafted him. Hell I want to coach it.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
And so in the process of putting him in harm's way,
he subjected him to some hips Jackson Dart and I
said this, And now I was early on man the chat.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
They always want to let somebody live.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Now you got your guy in the blue teat damn
near every game because you wanted to let him live.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
You like that fire. I want my quarterback to have energy.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Okay, now look at your quarterback, y'all still like that
Giants player, because you had a lot to say.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I said, you can't run like that. You can't.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You can't have your quarterback being susceptible to those kind
of hits. That's while they're protecting his ass in the pocket.
Once he leave the pocket on him, he's a running
back now look at him. But y'all had a lot
to say if we ain't had that kind of energy
in a long time, and you might not have it again.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Hey listen, he honestly too and as a as a
fan of the game. But watching Jackson dart once he
came in.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But yes, absolutely smart.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
If you do now that comes, that comes on him,
and that's gonna come. He's gonna get that with experience
and understanding. You gotta pick and choose your battles. And
when you picked me better, you got to pick them wide.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, I hope they conced into it because they damn
gonna knock to marbles out of it.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Oh yeah, you got you gotta make business. You got
them make business decisions.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
When you got that ball in hands and you cross
that threshold and you become a runner man.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Aiden.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
Boys is not playing with you out there. Man, This
is not college and grown men.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
They're trying to break you because that's the opportunity because
they can't hit your ass in the pocket like they
want to. But what they can do, it's t off
on your ass. When you're out of the pocket. But
they give you something called a protection where you can
slide and they can't touch it. Now, you try to
be a hero, and I get all that. You you
get up and get the fired here the first down,
and you do all this and you get the crowd
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height and all that. Okay, okay, billy badass.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Telling.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I've seen it. I know what they're gonna do. Yeah,
quarterbacks are not used to taking hits like that. They're
not built to take hits like that. So why would
you subject yourself to taking that kind of punishment?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Oh, Joe, You're not gonna take that kind of punishment.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Hold on, And it's a funny thing about it. And
some of the play call it ain't helping.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
No, some of the play calling.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I'm trying to save my damn self. So if you
drive in the process, so big on joke.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, as long as you save my ass.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Why you think he calling those flames? O Joe?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
And and I get it, I get it, But Jackson
Dark needs to be smarter and they need to put
an emphasis on it.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Also, Hey Son, get down, you get the first down? Hey,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
It's it's Kyle crowd gets energized with the crowd to
get you fed up.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Yeah, they get you, They get.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
You trying to do, trying to do, trying to do
what they want.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, and you're you're exactly right. Let me ask you
a question on YOE who you think will be a
good fit. Who do you think will be a good
fit for the Giants?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
M hmm, Okay, I see how much money they take
from your New York you back one point five you
bring home seven hundred and forty seven thousand, right. Let
me can I can I coach from Vegas? I do
have all my meeting from Zoom.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I'm trying.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
I'm trying to think of a collegiate coach that would
resonate very well with grown men that are in the
inner yea uh brother, Lane.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Kiffin, Lane, you like John Gruden?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Lane Kiff and John Gruden.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
That's that's the only two I can think of off
the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Mike McCarthy, I heard Mike McCarthy ain't thrown around what
about what about?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Uh uh? Hey?
Speaker 5 (35:22):
For for that city though, that city, that city needed
a coach like a Lane Kiff and John Creud. And
that's a little bit fiery you know a little bit
has has a little personality to him.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I think Washington.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
He was the head coach in UH in Arizona, Cliff Kingsbury.
What about Cliff Kingsbury. Now, he normally works really well
with mobile athletic quarterbacks. We saw again with Kyle we
saw what he did with what is done for Jalen
Jane Daniels.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
But would he work with the Jackson dark guy that's mobile,
not quite as athletic as Daniels and and and Kyler.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
But that might that a.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Well, I mean, the thing is it might be a
part of I mean the question is his thing is
they threw it out because you know, the commissioner wanted
to hear its like, no, you're not finna do that.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
You're not finna be the arbitrary. The man soon you
and you hear your own opinion. No hell Now.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
So the question is with the NFL, how's that gonna
play out? Because this thing is going to court. So
do they get a settlement and a part of the
settlement he can come back and coach or is it
a situation where you we're gonna give you money and
you you done. You can cover the league. But you're
not gonna coach in the league.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I like the I like the John Gruden route, John
Gruden and obviously Lane Kevin who coaching in college?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Did you just not hear what I said? He has
a pending lawsuit against the NFL.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
H Let me let me tell you. There's certain there's
certain rules that have been regardless of stuff like that
going on, where they can make it happen.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
If the NFL says we're gonna offer you a settlement,
but you cannot coach in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
Oh okay, well hell you know who else had depend
hasn't had a lawsuit against the NFL and it's still coaching.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Brian Flord?
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yeah, yeah, he's coaching.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Is he a head coach?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Now the question is he's had good defenses? You think
he's gonna get a job with that lawsuit? Who's gonna hire?
Because you do realize if he sue the league, who
is he suiting? Suing one of those owners? Yeah, so
it's gonna be a very interesting situation to see how
this plays out. It's kind of like, Oh, Joe, I
(37:59):
got a lawsuit to get at you? What I want
my job back? Nah? You go ahead and take this
money and go ahead on you ain't getting no job back.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Hey, But honestly, knowing, knowing, knowing how the NFL works,
understanding the ecosystem that they do have, that that that
brotherhood they have amongst each other, I could still see,
you know, things working itself out in ways we won't
be able to explain.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well, if the lawsuit goes away, it'll be explained. But
it's just hard for me to see a scenario. Oh,
tell this man dot he wants sixty he want a
hundred million. They said, you ruined my reputation by leaking
this stuff, right, and you cost me sixty million dollars.
Sixty seventy million dollars that was left on my contract.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Oh all that was all that's off the table.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
He signed a ten year, one hundred million dollar deal.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
A hundred million dollar deal. Yeah, I remember that, but
I thought he was still getting paid for.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
No, you don't give it. They bought, they bought anything years.
Mark Davis didn't want to. He said he didn't want to,
said the NFL forced him to.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Force him to do it. Yeah, uh, who else?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And hear people talk about Clint Kubiak Uh the offensive
the offensive coordinator could get Yeah, he was the offensive
coordinator and Minnesota last year with who was his quarterback
in Minnesota, Sam, he's the offensive coordinator in Seattle. Who's
his quarterback?
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Oh? Sam Donald, It's funny. It's funny how that work too.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Ain't gonna get some strong consideration?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, coach, Hey, Clint, let me get let me, let
me get a job.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Do you really you have to understand also, Clint has
to look at the landscape of the New York Giants.
Understand what you're working with, Understand what you had. When
he was out there in Minnesota, it made things easy,
you know, understand and understand the weapons you have around you.
Now that you are over there and god damn Seattle Adham, Yeah,
now do you do you want to come and and
(40:04):
and start all over in New York. You do have
Jackson Darrt who was very exciting. Scatterble would be back
next year, Malik neighbors but he she should be, He
should be fine by the start of the season on.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah, he should be. He definitely should be.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
But here's the thing to Joe, Oh Joe, that's still
a gold standard franchise and my first head coaching job
is gonna be with the New York Giants?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Who turns that down?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
No? You you just saw what's the the guy that
was at Philly last year?
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
At He was at Dallas OC for a long time.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Kevin Moore, Oh Joe, he.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Took New Orleans. He took the New Orleans job. Give
it a choice, take New Orleans or you're taking.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
The right I got you.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
But but see, it's it's so, it's so, it's so
few times that those opportunities present themselves.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
You have to take them when they do. You have
to take them when they come. Mm hmm. But that's
that's not that's bad. That's a bad one to go into.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Where is Klian Kubiak? Because Cool got three three or
four boys? I know Clinton Climb, both of them coach.
But Climb okay, he was play calling somewhere. He's at
(41:44):
the Cowboys. Where was it last year? So you're still there?
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Okay, Okay?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
He got any other any other son's coaching? I don't,
I don't know. I just know. I just know those
two because there was little kids when I was when
Cool was with me in Denver. Because while they were
probably like five or six when I got to Denver.
(42:37):
Maybe they were they were small, really really really young.
But it's look, there's gonna be some names that's gonna
be playing. Oh he had he been at the Niners. Okay, okay,
(43:02):
you see how you see how you see how that
think you say, you say that ecosystem pet he said
what Joe, Oh.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Hey, may listen. I'm listening to you. I'm listening.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
I'm listening to ass run off all the names in
the different places that they're at.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Hey, it's it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
All those guys.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Hey, cool, Hey, Mike gave Cool his start when Coole
got the job at the Houston, Texas, right, Kyle was
his OC mm hmm. Now then everything he had when
they was in Washington, Kyle was the o C. Sean
(43:37):
McVay was there, Mike McDaniel was there, Raheem Moore with
Raheem Morris was there. Go back and look at that
all those guys that were there, and all they do
is ay.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah they do.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Then well, hey, it's easy on them because the wife
takes care of because they they made not one parent
teacher conference.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
They ain't been no recital, David Jack.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
But it's tough bad because a coach is like, hey,
you leave home and one the next day they graduating
high school.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
You then you don't miss damn near everything.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
Hey, it goes by does and so.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
But I think they're gonna be There's gonna be a
lot of available candidates. It's gonna be interesting to see,
like how these lawsuits play out with Brian Flords, how
they play.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Out with uh, John Gruden.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
You know, like I said, I think they're gonna be
you know, Clint Kobak is gonna get he's gonna get here,
get some looks. The way that offense, the way the
offense looked, and and and last year, yeah, the way
it's looking now.
Speaker 5 (44:42):
Yeah, Hey, but but will you be able to make
that offense over there in New York look.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Like decordinator They balled out.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Hey, I'm I'm it just it just makes sense.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Pairing the quarterback where we had because we had success
in college.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
It just it just makes it. It makes too much
sense to me. And bringing in brother brother Kiffin from
from old Miss.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
No, I wasn't okay with doctor y'all hear what y'all
want to hear.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
No, Oh, but you was okay with the Broncos scoring
ten points.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
No, I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I was living that they only score ten points against
that team.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
But I get it.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
I get it. I'm a Bronco. You didn't tune in.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
You didn't tune in that night, but you're tuning in now,
and so you hear me talk about the offense scoring uh,
the offense on the score ten points or seven points.
I get it. I get it. I get it. You're right.
I didn't. I did, though. Everybody that was here saw
heard me say, this is bow knicks that ain't good enough.
(45:52):
That's not good enough. You never accept anything in a win.
You wouldn't in a loss. Y'all heard me say that
over and over, and you tell are we tired of
hearing that? But y'all hear what y'all want to s Yeah,
I know when it is when anybody that's really never
played sports and only looks at I get it. That's
why a lot of times, don't Yoe like I used
(46:14):
to be like going back and forth, I'm like, hold on,
what the hever am I doing? I'm going back and
forth with somebody that never played football, let alone played
on the level that I played, or played at the
level of which I played.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Why am I talking to y'all about football?
Speaker 5 (46:28):
Sometimes sometimes they don't understand myself.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I said, I'm going, I'm kind to ex played when
we got this concept they do with this blah blah blah.
I'm like, where a damn minute, they don't know the
difference between a screenplay and a screen porch and I here,
I am.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
My mom's out there and on social media debating.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Them, going going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Ay.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Sometimes sometimes the way you see the game, they don't
see it.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
I know they don't a little bit. And that's why. See,
that's why they have to have sound. They need somebody
to tell them what's going on.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
I know formation, I know personnel, I know coverages, I
know all of that. I'm not interested that they scored, congratulations.
I need to know why they scored, how they scored,
what coverage was the defense? En, That's what I'm looking at. Okay,
were you in twenty one personnel? Were you're in twelve?
Were you're eleven? Were you were you in empty set?
(47:22):
Whether the fifty protection, whether the jet protection, whether the
seventy protection, whether it's cat protection. Were you in jumbo?
And then I tried to what, Well, we didn't play
the game. Okay, they was, but the quick we didn't
play the game. You should know, Captain Nobvius, what it was,
Captain Obvioce. Why don't you say it?
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Hey, that's that's funny.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
So that's why you know.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Hey, And when I when I tweet something, O Joe,
it's not that I can't either side. I'm just saying
what I noticed. I tweeted in real time. I was like,
how can I see that in real time? Officials at
the game, they can't got got moved?
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Oh Joe? That guy was that the guard?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Before the had even snapped the ball, he was damn
there collide with the packer defender.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
Yeah, hey that touch push. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
I don't know what the rest looking at. But it
was something that they said they were going to be
paying attention to. They were making the call earlier early
in the season. It seemed they they've stopped calling it
and it's playing as they especially if you got.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
If you got too, if you got to I didn't
move in before the balls, that's all. You gotta look
at it on Joe, hold on his head is in
front of the ball. How is that possible.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
I'm like, but he he must have been looking at
his men.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
You're like, okay, why say she wanted General Joe's chicken
some move, move got.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Paying rice, some egg young some move.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I had the General Joe's chicken. I don't like the
booboo got padded.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
What the hell is that at the Chinese restaurant?
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Oh uh oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Mike Tomlin was asked to assess his quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers
performance last night.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Let's take a listen to what he had to say.
Mm hmm, how would you.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
See, O, Joe when I come in here and I say,
Aaron Rodgers didn't play well? So forth and song. As
you get older, you just cannot allow. You can't summons
it up like you once could.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Game in game, in game.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
You can have those splash games, but they come far
and few and far between. Oh you just man, you
don't like that man. You just he ever since he
didn't take the back scene, you got a problem with him.
It's like, I'm just telling you, based on Aaron Rodgers,
having watched this man for fifteen Since two thousand and
(50:04):
four I retired, Aaron became the starting quarterback. I think
in like eight So for the better part of seventeen
eighteen years, I watched this man. Y'all think, y'all think
it seems like I'm just dumb, Like I just be
talking out my tail.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Right, I like?
Speaker 4 (50:22):
I like? I like Tomin's answer too. Yeah like it.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
Hey listen, Aaron, Hey, yeah, there's no need for me
to go in death. You know you watched him. You
watched his performance. It was lackluster.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
We can't win with you playing like that.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
No, Aaron said it. Aaron said, I've got to play better.
So if I say Aaron needs to play better, he's
not playing like he's playing like an old Aaron Rodgers.
Not the old Aaron Rodgers. Oh you hate it. He
come out and say exactly what I said last night. Now,
let me let me mispronown somebody's name. Let me let
(51:03):
me be wrong or something. Boy, they can they killed
my food, they flood my timeline. But when Aaron Rodgers
said exactly what I said, you can hear. You can
hear a mouse peeling on cotton, a bell love it.
That's how quieted be ojo mm hmm. Aaron, if you
(51:24):
watched the game, if you watched Aaron Rodgers and you
watched last night game, I was like Aaron Rodgers missing throws.
He missed DK early in the game. That could have
been a big play because you know, on the road,
get a big play on the far cross, Ojo, that's
a big play, a big a forty yard forty fifty
yard touchdown.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
That's down on the road.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Now you got the quote the crowds hitting on the
hands ain't nothing to cheer about. He underthrew Austin. I
don't know the way Austin was catching the ball last night,
he probably threw.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
It back at it. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
I don't know, Joe, I was I'm a little nervous,
I little heaven to say if a sure fire it
was a short fire catchup, just saying he might to it.
But if you watch the game, I mean, look, maybe
you don't know if it's three or five step drive.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
You don't know, if it's his own read, you don't know.
Maybe you don't know all.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
That stuff, but you know if a quarterback's playing well,
And you watched the game last night, even if you're
a Steelers fan, even if you're the biggest Aaron Rodgers supporter,
you know, he didn't play well last night, and it's
okay to say that, but it's almost like, don't say
anything bad about my quarterback. Speak honestly about everybody else quarterback.
Just don't say nothing bad about my quarterback. I'm not
(52:38):
saying anything bad. He just didn't play well. I ain't
say he a bad person. I'm just saying he was
a bad quarterback last night. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:47):
And the good thing about it too, with him not
playing well, it looks good on him obviously. You can
tell he's actually at the Steelers and him taking accountability
on not playing well.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
You know, there were no point to fingers. No, I
like that.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
And with with some issues that he did when he
was with the Jets when certain plays weren't made and
when those players weren't made, and he spoke about it
after the game, he.
Speaker 4 (53:12):
Actually pointed the fingers, you know. So I'm glad he is.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
The problem what he has, though, Joe, is that he
doesn't have enough players on the offense side of the
football to lift him up when he's not playing well. See,
that's the problem that you run into because sometimes you know,
you get guys that can take a simple route. You're
not playing well, that can take a simple route. They
can make a touch of an acrobatic catch. Give you
a prime example, Davonte Smith to night.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
You see that catch, say save you every time?
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Yeah, sometimes guys make plays.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
You're having a bad game, but a guy can make
a play here or there, and all of a sudden
you get to win. And you didn't play well, but
you get guys to elevate you and help the ship rise.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I didn't get that last night. I don't think he
has enough of that.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Outside of DK, I nobody puts fear in my I
think fried muth is a is a is a quality
tight end. Now I'm not taking over McBride or or
or or tier two. He's a tier I'm not taking
any of those top guys. But I think he's a
solid He's a solid tight end. But DK is really
the only guy. And if you double him, does any
(54:16):
does Austin or any of those other guys put fear
in you know they don't they don't.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
I mean, listen, Calvin Cavan, Austin the third, as fast
as he is, as explosive as he is, he should
be one that puts fear in defenses. He should be
one that he just I don't know if they use
him the correct way to do that. But if I'm
not mistaken, he was four two. If I'm not mistaken,
maybe for one something like that.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
As you play like Austin the first because I can't
tell he for one two, man, go ahead on him.
I can't tell you that fast, but see her. There's
a difference between being fast and playing fast, because we've
(55:03):
seen guys run four two and they play like they
run for six. And I've seen guys run four six
that play like their four three four two. So running
fast and playing fast. Jerry played fast. Yeah, Jerry ran
for six seven, but he played fast. It's one thing
to run four two with shorts and a T shirt.
(55:24):
It's another thing to run four six, four or five
with shoulder pants and cleats, right, because that's what you're playing.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
So yeah, I get it. It's nice. Oh boy, hey
he ran four two.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
I put him in a helmet and put him in
some shoulder paths and cleats, and now all of a
sudden chose he played like he run four seven.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Damn son, I know you faster than that.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
Yeah, you know what, there's there's a thing called you know,
players that carry their past real well? And the thing, yeah,
can you carry your past?
Speaker 5 (55:52):
Can you still be as efficient when you're in shorts
and shirt when you had a helmet and pass on?
Speaker 3 (55:58):
Man?
Speaker 4 (55:58):
That that that that is a thing, which it was
just crazy.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
But guess what oo, when you run that forty, ain't
nobody trying to tear your damn head off.
Speaker 3 (56:07):
See when you four two four two.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Four three, all you do is get to the safety
quicker so you can knock your ass out.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
That's it. And one of the funny things I ever heard.
Speaker 5 (56:21):
I I forgot who said I gotta make sure I
say it right, is I'm just fast enough to make
sure the person chasing me can catch me.
Speaker 4 (56:31):
I don't care not about no. I don't care no
about no for these arms. All I need to do
is be faster than the person and chasing me. That's it.
Speaker 3 (56:39):
That's as fast as you need to be.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
It doesn't do me any good to have all that speed,
and I don't know how to use it. You can
have an arsenal gun, don't know how. You can't hit nothing,
So what good is four two speed If you can't
use it? You can't control it, and I'll run you shop.
He probably can, but I bet you'll chase me in
(57:02):
the end zone.
Speaker 3 (57:05):
I bet you that.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Hey, but everything you know how everything is made. But
I love the way because a lot of times this
has rubbed me. This is what's rubbed me wrong about
Aaron Rodgers is not taking accountability when he played poor,
or showing up the receiver and talking about do this
and do all that, don't do that. That's what rubbed
me the wrong way about him was a lack of accountability.
(57:31):
I got no problem with what he said. He owned it.
He didn't play well, he realized it. In order for
them to get to where they need to be and
where they want to be, he's gonna have to play
better because he's the only guy that touches the ball
every single snap and in order for them to get
to where they need to be, Oh Joe, he's got
to play better.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
Yeah, But.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
As you said last night, they got a bunch of names,
but them names ain't playing well.
Speaker 3 (57:56):
We'll leave it at.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
That, Oh Joe and fol have gone viral just taking
the sack last night, captured by Marci Yo sand chance
of the AP.
Speaker 5 (58:05):
And we got hitting that jaw too. Yeah, it's a
good thing he got that. It's a good thing he
got the new helmet on.
Speaker 3 (58:12):
Man, you better get a motorcycle helmet.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Hey that that's that's a good hit too.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Boy.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
Look here at forty one. Oh y'all.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
I wasn't trying to take no shots like that in
my twenty You think I want to take a shot
like that in.
Speaker 4 (58:24):
My partist like that in Yeah? Mm hmm. That's that's
a good picture right now, that's a good picture.
Speaker 3 (58:35):
He must was.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
He was that was that in the pocket, because I'm
surprised they didn't call that cause you know, you can't
hit your he you can't hit a quarterback with your helmet.
So he had to be scrambling.
Speaker 4 (58:45):
Not yeah, not not not the crown of your He
that hurt.
Speaker 3 (58:52):
Nah. He was probably thinking, I wish I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Rogers a a ear whole shots hurt man? Oh oh, Joe,
them the one that knocked your ass out. When you
get hit, get caught, or you get.
Speaker 5 (59:11):
Mm hm oh yeah in the right place right here,
right here round the decal that that knee by accent
and it doesn't even look like it's hard either.
Speaker 4 (59:22):
Hold on let me let me get this out of
the door.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
Man, Aaron's like, this ain't what I signed up for. Man,
I'm I'm, I'm I'm If Aaron forty forty forty one,
he about to be forty, if he about to be
forty two, if he already forty eighty forty, damn yeah, Aaronson,
damn this, Aaron Adam made me three hundred million dollars.
(59:44):
I ain't got no sense. I I ain't Peter I
said I'd have made three three, three fifty man later
for this.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
I ain't tried to do all I ain't try to
do all this.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
The accumulation, those chat you know, those those those hits
ladd up Aaron Rodgers probably what two fifteen.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
You ain't trying to take no hits like that hill
running back.
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
So, I mean Derrick Henry really tried to take no
ear hole shots, no jaw shot like that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Man, those those those ish adds up.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Man, I know that hurt. That hurt My got my
jaw hurting. I'm thinking about it. Oh he bracing for that.
I mean, at the last second, you feel that hit coming,
you try to brace for it.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
But a ain't ain't nothing you can do it. Look, Oh,
that's the close up. You got to close.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I don't blame. I don't want to I don't want
to see that either. Man,
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.