Alex Grinch, CFB Playoffs Rankings, Jake Dickert, Dilly extension, Power Rankings, Week 11 Preview

On this episode of the Pac-12 Apostles, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden get into the historically inept USC Trojans, defense, and Lincoln Riley's decision to finally fire Alex Grinch. The guys also discuss Washington State Head Coach Jake Dickert's comments on NIL. Recaps of all the week 10 games, plus a preview of week 11, and best case scenarios for the Pac-12 to get into the College Football Playoff.

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Speaker 3 (01:22):
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And since you just announced what our new name will be,
I gotta go secure that Twitter handle so nobody else takes.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oh damn boom. Got to secure that for the podcast
actually comes out. Good thing is not lied because somebody
would then be trying to charge us for it. Right,
Not so fast, my friend. All right, So we still
got a lot going on. The conference had I would
say the conference had a good week. I mean, granted,

(01:59):
there were a couple of ranked teams that lost. One
of them had to lose in that, you know, when
you had USC in Washington, and I would say that
that was the optimal result for the conference, not the
optimal result for USC, and that led to a big firing.

(02:21):
What could have like, so Washington beat USC fifty two
to forty two, what do you what possible result could
have saved Alex Grinch's job? Like against Washington, what could
the score have been for him to not get fired?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
On Sunday, Uh that last Washington score would have been
a USC score, and I think they would have gotten
away with it. I ultimately think that even if they
had given up forty five, as long as USC won
on that, Lincoln Riley was going to continue to it it.

(03:04):
Lincoln Riley was going to ride to Alex Grinch train
until it wasn't up to him anymore. And when you
get a primetime game with two Heisman candidates going head
to head and it ends with your star quarterback sobbing
in his mother's arm talking about cuddling puppies at the
at the end of the game, you don't You don't
have a choice anymore. You broke your quarterback with your

(03:26):
allegiance to your defensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
So you believe that, well, I would tend to agree
with you that if the team had made some sort
of play that like they did at the end of Arizona,
like they did at the end of the of the
the week after Arizona, Oh at Cal, you think he

(03:49):
would have survived at least at least another week.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I think so. I think at least another week. I
think they probably should have kept him on to eat
this elegance Oregon just so that somebody else isn't responsible
for it. Like bad coaching plus chaos means it could
actually be worse this week against the Ducks. I'm not
convinced that you know this was the right time to
break things down. I think USC maybe has a shot

(04:16):
against Oregon considering Oregon's only weaknesses in the secondary. But
I don't know, man. I think that defensively, you're about
to eat probably another fifty burger, and you might as
well just put that on Alex Grinch's plate too, since
you decided to waste your returning Heisman winner quarterbacks entire

(04:37):
season through an allegiance to a person that everyone has
been telling you was garbage since your day's in Oklahoma.
It's always a tough pill to swallow for a major
college football coach to have ninety nine percent of people
tell you a thing and for you to push back
against them and say that they're nubes and they don't

(04:57):
understand it and they're not watching with a critical eye. Uh,
and then to have to admit that they were right
all along. This is gonna be one of those things where,
you know, USC fans were really excited to have Lincoln
Riley in the fold. But they've got a long memory
and they're not gonna forget that one of their best
opportunities to go to the college football Playoff before going
into an even more difficult big time ten slate was

(05:19):
wasted by their head coach intentionally over an issue of loyalty,
over an objective mistake and issue.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Okay, so can you okay, so can we actually like
have a world where Lincoln Riley was thinking, all right,
this is my second year at USC, I can bring
Grinch back, we can get better players. And if we
get better players, then because I actually believe that his
scheme actually works. I believe in what he's actually doing,

(05:51):
and I believe that if we can put different players
around him, then maybe that's the answer.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, except that he already in his this year admitted
that last year were effort issues, issues of tackling and
things like that.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
So see, I mean, okay, well, I'm glad you brought
that up, because I think that that is going to
be a fundamental issue in Lincoln Riley getting a good,
top tier defensive coordinator because if you go on their
message boards, guess what two names they're throwing out just constantly.

(06:30):
One of them is the most unrealistic thing that I
have heard in quite some time, which is Will must Champ.
Will Muschamp is at Georgia. Do we believe and I
know that they feel like that they can get anything
since they post Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma? But do you

(06:51):
believe that Lincoln Riley? I mean that Will Musschamp, who's
a Southern man through and through, is coming out to
Calor to coach a defense, and I promise you that
they that him and Lincoln Riley aren't going to match philosophically.

(07:12):
Do you know what Oregon was doing yesterday in practice?
A live tackling drill live that means full fledged, all
out effort. Whatever happens happens.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
So football, Yes, When do you do.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
You think that Lincoln Riley is having a live tackling
at this point in time of the season.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
No, because of probably anything that provides any downside for
his offense is not going to be something I feel
like he's interested in.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
So, if you're a top tier defensive coordinator and you
are trying to pride yourself on physicality, granted, whether whether
you're philosophy is right wrong, what whatever, how does that
match with Lincoln Riley when he wants to have his
practice is a certain way and you believe that they
should be done a different way.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
How does that work? That's a great question. And I
think the other question you have to ask is which
because you know you're bringing up Will must Champ and
there's a regional allegiance there. There really is, like the
willman must Champ's a true believer in SEC football? You know,
is he going to go to the USC faction of

(08:31):
the of the Big ten, the West Coast faction of
the Big ten? So maybe you look regionally, right, who's
the best defensive coordinator in your current region? Okay, so
so probably Morgan Scalley. Morgan Scalley ever leaving Salt Lake.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
City, not until he's the head coach.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
That's that's the original plan for him before he got
in some trouble for his week.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
And now they're trying to get him further and further
away from that. And he's about three years two three
years away from from being able to transition there because
it's gonna be a problem with him going anywhere else
because they're gonna negative recruit and all that stuff. But
he can make it in Utah.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
With that.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
So and the other name they bring up is Jim Leonard,
who was the Wisconsin defensive coordinator and.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Granted, huge, huge Gym Leonard fan.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
So if if I were them, I'd be like I
would be calling over to Chip Kelly's defensive coordinator and
be like, oh, they're paying you. I'm gonna take paying
him one point.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Two ralph something like that.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I'll give you two point four. Come over here, give
you two point four and then you consider that us
he has question marks for next year at the quarterback position. Bro,
this kid, there is a world where and granted, Lincoln
Riley think about this. Lincoln Riley has had Baker Mayfield

(10:03):
Heisman winner, Kyler Murray Heisman winner, Jalen Hurts Heisman runner up,
Caleb Williams Heisman winner and doing well this year. Do
you know how many playoff games he's won with those dudes?

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Zero zero.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Zero. That's a that scary stuff, bro.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, because eventually it comes time to buckle down, get
a stop. And you know he at this point should
have known that that wasn't gonna happen. Like you should
know you can't just no offensive football. You can't just
be so good at running your offense that you just
have to trust the entire defensive side of the football

(10:47):
to somebody else because you can't even touch it. You
can't be Cliff Kingsbury right, who is on that USC staff.
You know, the the Alex Grinch thing is very it's
very very simple. You have told your players that accountability
for them matters, but accountability for your friends doesn't. Lincoln

(11:09):
Riley threw way more credibility hanging on to Alex Grinch
than doing really anything else. He he, he has wasted
very good quarterbacks opportunities to win at the highest level.
And that's you know, I tell you what man. If
I was, if I was a player on the offensive

(11:30):
side of the football, especially skill position, I still want
to play for Lincoln Riley more than anything else. But
everybody else kind of has to take pause. And I'm
not trying a negative recruit against this program. It's just
the truth. Let me let me, let me put it
in a way that like a sense. Washington ran for
like three hundred and ten yards in the four games

(11:52):
before they met up with USC. They ran for like
three sixteen against USC. Dylan Johnson got thirty seven percent
of his yards on the season against this defense, ran
for more yards in the game than any Washington running
back has run for since nineteen fifty nineteen fifty. Uh

(12:15):
and are you ready for the stat that's gonna blow
your mind? George Okay, one hundred and ninety nine of
his two hundred and fifty six yards.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Pre contentent pre contact.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Pre contact, he ran for one ninety nine pre contact,
one ninety nine pre contact. That I've never heard of
anything like that in my entire life.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
That means you're mean you. I means you aren't even
doing anything except being a speed bump, and you are
literally a speed bump.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
One ninety nine pre contact thirty seven percent of his
total yards on the season in one game coming in
Week ten. That's why, and the best per foreman by
a running back at University of Washington in seventy three years.
The fact that Alex Grinch came out in the second

(13:08):
half is a bigger indictment against Lincoln Riley than anything
else he's ever gone through or done in his entire
coach year.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
You're saying he should have tarmacked them at have time.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Absolutely absolutely, he should not. That game mattered. That game mattered,
USC was still in the running to win the PAC twelve.
And they left that game out of the running to
win the PAC twelve. And it happened at home. And
you've had Joe and George on the street calling for
Alex Grinch's head for two straight years and Lincoln Riley's

(13:39):
only been there for two years.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
So like.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
The idea that Lincoln Riley was more interested in being
right to shove it in the face of your average
Joe instead of make sure that his team was in
the best position to win, removes the ability for any
USC fan to have full confidence in Lincoln Riley moving forward.

(14:04):
They will only ever trust this man at an A
minus level. He could win three straight national championships. They're
gonna remember this one like that. It's just you.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
You have.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
You have handicapped your ability for your own fan base
to buy in. The same thing happened to Clay Hilton,
and right now Lincoln Riley has a worse record than
Clay Hilton through his first season and a half. I'm
gonna be on a much better team.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's not good, brother, that's not good.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
So this this team has a lot to figure out
in USC.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
But Connor Stallions is available.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Oh oh, he'll he'll get he'll get you right, he
will get your right.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
I believe it all right.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
The next thing, Hey, that man's a go go get her.
Next thing up, the college football Playoff rankings came out
and they shook up a lot for the Pac twelve.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
You have.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Arizona breaking in there, not even at twenty five, twenty
four to twenty three. They were like, move them boys
up to twenty one because they really should have been
in there last week, Utah at eighteen. Then you got.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah State at twelve, yep, Oregon.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
State at twelve. I was trying to find them boys,
and then Oregon at six, Washington at five. I was
mad as hell, Ralph, I was mad as hell watching
the College Football Show last night because for two months
the banging on the drum, Packed twelve is the best
conference in America. Packed Maybe two Pac twelve teams should

(15:40):
get in the playoff. And then you have Greg McElroy
sitting up there on the program, and you guys, I
have a video up on this on the YouTube channel,
So go to George Reister on YouTube. Great video on this,
I mean, if I say so myself, and about how
the college Football Playoff is now biased against the PAC twelve.

(16:04):
I mean it's been, but it's only getting worse at
this point in time, like it's getting worse and we're
not getting ready to sit up here and act like
it's not.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
So.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
So that's the first thing is that Rick.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
No no, I I agree. I agree with you, and
I just want to point out that if you throw
that graphic back up, what one loss team has done
something to a ranked team in even the same ballpark
that Oregon did at.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Utah, Ralph, Ralph, Ralph, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
That doesn't. That doesn't exist for any other team with
one loss.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, but it's different. It's different though, Ralph, because because
Utah is now a mediocre football team.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Not according to the College Football Plaoff.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Rankin correct Bingo. And then the other part of it
is they sat up here at Greg McElroy sat up
here and was stamping for Texas, but what he was
really doing was stamping for Alabama, right because he to oh,
Texas has the best win, it's against Alabama. Dude, Alabama

(17:17):
would lose to everybody in front of him right now.
That does not look like a team that can beat
the top tier teams. And then you had all the
heads shaking up there, like, bro, this dude tripping, Like
I don't know where the hell this is coming from,
this banging on Oregon. But you know what he was
really doing. He was really positioning and trying to change

(17:37):
the narrative, because when Kirk Herbstreet brought up he said, well,
then why don't you have that same energy for Michigan.
Michigan played one hundred and eleventh schedule so far. Oh,
hold on, that's different. Let's leave the undefeated. This is
totally different. Well, then Washington should be if by your logic,
even though it is totally contradictory, then the top six

(18:00):
he put out yesterday, well the day before his own
personal top six, So then why don't you have that
same energy for Michigan. Michigan's played nobody, right, the best
win that they have against is against UNLV.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, and I I don't the pushback against Michigan. I
can't tell if it's fair or unfair, because the pushback
against Michigan is true in so far that they haven't
earned the level of praise they're getting relative to the
teams that have actually played real schedules. That's true. At

(18:39):
the same time, the consistency of dominance of Michigan is commendable.
Michigan has had more Michigan has had more points at
halftime in all nine games than all nine of their
opponents have scored in the entire game combined. They've they
could have quit at halftime of all nine games and
still won.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Okay, how much of that is because their defense has
the leg up on the other team.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
It's true, it's true, But then you throw out the
fact that Stanford almost beat Washington, the Arizona State almost
beat Washington, and you can make an argument that Michigan belongs.
What you can't do is argue that Michigan's schedule is good.
So there's no way to look at Michigan State.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
So now now peep this what's upcoming this week Michigan,
Penn State. Penn State has played Ohio State. They lost.
They look miserable in that game. So you know that
Michigan is not going to have an advantage with signs

(19:46):
in this game, unless unless Penn State is a bunch
of dummies and they didn't change anything, so you're not
going to have that advantage. So if Penn State then
turns around and beats Michigan this weekend. How is the
College Football Playoff Committee going to look at this? Because really,
how good of a win is Michigan? We really don't

(20:08):
know because they haven't played anybody good. Yeah, so then
you're gonna have Penn State probably jump up over Oregon.
They're gonna be talking about them, maybe ahead of Washington.
And then if Ole Miss beat Georgia this weekend, Lord
have mercy. You are the best conference in America. Now

(20:29):
all of a sudden, they're gonna be like, oh man,
they're on the outside looking in. They're gonna need something
to happen in front of them.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, And it sucks because the reputation and brand matters,
as you pointed out on your YouTube video, And it
has the PAC twelve and ACC fans rooting for everything
to just be normal, right because the and and one
of these two conferences is probably gonna get screwed. But
they just want Georgia to win. It's better. It's it's

(20:57):
better for Florida State if Georgia wins out. It's better
for Florida State if Ohio State wins out, because then
you're at least gonna try to get in at the
three and four position, right, and then it just comes
down to, you know, who is going to get that
fourth spot, because if Penn State beats Michigan, then we
enter that weird tiebreaker scenario where where if Michigan beats

(21:20):
Ohio State, the team that probably will go to the
Big Ten Championship to play against Iowa is Penn State.
And you could see the College Football Playoff Committee saying, well,
like Penn State got into the Big Ten Championship on
a technicality, could we still take a Michigan or Ohio State,

(21:42):
who they have at number one right now, probably unjustifiably
at number one. They were down to Rutgers at halftime
this last week. Could we get away with taking two
Big Ten teams? And you know that if Alabama keeps
winning and they beat Georgia in the SEC Championship, there's
going to be a temptation to take two SEC teams.
So right now, Florida State, Oregon, and Washington are looking

(22:03):
at this like, you know, we just need everything to
be normal so that maybe our resume can be better
than the PAC twelve twelve's resume and that that's a really,
really tough place to be and it's probably the biggest
argument for the expansion of the college football Playoff, regardless
of whether or not twelve is a good number. But
if you're if you're Louisville right now, you're like, oh,

(22:24):
we literally can't make it. The best we can hope
for is to, you know, go eleven twelve and one
with a victory over Florida State and twelve and one
with a win over Florida State and Notre Dame and
any other year would be good enough to make it.
But there's no room for error, and Louisville already had
their error, So you know, I it's it's not fair,

(22:48):
you know, because so much of what is happening this
year is dependent upon the reputation that you built up
over time.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yep, yep, that is one hundred percent, right, So and
I think it also shows that, you know, you could
end up with if Oregon State wins their next two
games and then loses to Oregon right like, you could
potentially have three pack twelve teams standing there looking at

(23:20):
New Year's Six Bowls with Notre Dame potentially out of
the way. But they got Notre Dame at twenty steel
And I think Notre Dame is a good team, But
that's a little bit that feels a little bit ambitious
for a three loss Yes, for a three loss team
when they didn't want to give Arizona that credit in
Arizona's rank one spot behind them at this point in time.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Right, So, so Notre Dame just got run over by
a four loss ACC team, right, yep? So Notre Dame
got run over by a four loss ACC team. Do
you know who else is a four loss ACC team? Pitt?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh, so is cow? I'm sorry Clemson?

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Well, right, that's what I'm saying is Clemson is a
four loss ACC team. Notre Dame got run over by
a four loss ACC team, so did Louisville. But Notre
Dame isn't getting discounted in the same way that Louisville
is because brand recognition matters, and Louisville has and Notre
Dame has three losses, including a loss to Louisville, and

(24:25):
it still doesn't seem to matter. Yep, Louisville's getting no
credit here. And so what's super dangerous is what the
most dangerous thing is right now for the conferences that
are hoping to be able to just sniff the college
football playoff is if Utah beach Washington, which is possible.
There's almost nothing Oregon can do to say our schedule

(24:49):
is deserving. Yep, almost nothing, because there will be built
in excuses for the only way Oregon can get in.
Right now, it's starting to feel like is if Washington
and wins out and Oregon gets them in the in
the PAC twelve Championship, Yep, yep, because Oregon might stay
at six if Washington loses, they might find a way

(25:11):
to put a Texas Urbama in at five.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Everybody is depending yep. Everybody is dependent upon upon each
other at this point and point in time. So if
you're Oregon, you have to make sure that you don't
listen to any of the noise. Bro Like, you have
to sit up there and be like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope,
we can't drink the rat poison. And and you had

(25:42):
Dan Lanning in their meetings this week he did something genius.
He put up a video of all the people who
last year when they lost, saying all these negative things
about them, they're rods and all of this stuff, and

(26:02):
then all of us and and that, and then he
put up a video of those same people praising them
right now. And the point was was that it didn't
matter when they said it then, doesn't matter when they
say it now, So nobody wants to So don't listen

(26:25):
to the noise. Everybody's praising you right now. The second
that you stumble, they will act like you ain't, like,
like you are a turd on the toilet, buddy, right?

Speaker 3 (26:38):
And and and when does Oregon usually stumble? November? Right?
And when do these SEC teams typically hold for and
rise November?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (26:49):
What is what is happening on Saturday, November eighteenth? This
is happening Chattanooga. You teach Chattanooga at Alabama University of
Louisiana and Row at Ole, miss Southern Miss at Mississippi State, Abilene,
Christian at Texas A and M New Mexico State at Auburn,
Florida International at Arkansas, Georgia State at LSU. That's what's

(27:15):
happening on November eighteenth in the SEC. Dude week November
eighteenth in the PAC twelve is business as usual? Ed?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
So is it in the Big ten? So is it
in the Big twelve. We need to make a video
about that, Ralph, about how these November cupcakes. How they
actually impact the college football playoff because this is where
losses matter, and when you have good conference and then
the eight team conference game schedule versus nine, that is

(27:47):
four losses in the SEC that they have to spread
around between every team four four and a half in
team in conferences that play nine games, typically the PAC
twelve with twelve teams four and a half losses that
have to be spread out, So that means you're gonna
have six extra losses through the whole conference that have

(28:10):
to be spread out and throughout November when the rankings
matter and all of that. So, now of a sudden,
an Oregon State Arizona game, Now the SEC teams that
are playing cupcakes, now those team losses lost. Now all
of a sudden, you got a three loss team versus
two loss team when they played Chattanooga, and all of

(28:30):
a sudden, it is that's why they won't move to
nine conference games, and everybody knows it.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
It's horrendous and nice to feel like I finally have
something in common with the SEC because we're both out
here getting fat eating cupcakes in November.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Speaking of a team that's not getting fat eating anything.
Here's what Jake Dickard had to say about what's going
on at WAZU.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Well, I think it's a great question question, you know,
because I think in today's world you can no longer
just say like passion and spirit it's going to get
you buy anymore. I mean, it's just completely real that
the NIL matters, and the facts are Washington State were
way behind, not even competitive in some aspects of the NIL, right,
and you know, recruiting you get, I mean, these kids

(29:20):
tell you what they're getting, you know, so you know,
Oregon State probably has US by ten x. You know,
Arizona has US by twenty x. I mean, USC, Washington, Oregon,
who even knows, Right, it's a.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Whole nother planet.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
That's part of what we need, and it's very very important.
In three weeks that is going to be open target
season on our players. That's what it's gonna be.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
And it's already started, right, So no, that's what's coming.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
We need to provide them with as much resources as
we possibly have here to keep this team together, to
keep recruiting, to keep going.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
It's the it's the future of college football, and to ignore.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
It or what everything is going to go away that's
a long time in the horizon, right, So I think
it's only gonna grow in some capacity. And I'm very
supportive of the players getting a piece of the puzzle
and profiting off their name and his likeness.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
I've said that many times up here.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
But what did that sound? What did that sound like?
To you?

Speaker 3 (30:20):
The truth sounded like the truth. It did come after
losing ten to seven to Stanford at home. But to me,
it sounds like the truth. And it also sounds like
a shot at the NCAA because when he says it's
already started, what he means is that his players are

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being actively recruited to join other teams while still in season.
We know that happened.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yes, I don't know specifically for Washington State players, but
I know that there are a couple of teams who
are looking for quarterbacks for next year already, that they
are looking for kids to hop out of the to
hop into portal, and there are feelers being put out already.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
It's four weeks until the transfer portal officially opens. How
many teams do you think have already made contact in
some form or another with that Boise State wide receiver
that jumped into the portal mid season.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Well, technically's not in the portal, but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, that's the point that I'm making. Eric McCallister left
Boise State. He's their leading receiver. He's almost got as
many catches and yards as all the other receivers at
Boise State combined. He left with three games to go
in the season to get a jump start on portal recruiting.
That doesn't happen until the first week of December. That's

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four weeks away. I'm asking you how many teams you
think have been in contact with him?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
At least at least a dozen.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Okay, Isaiah Glass just left Arizona State mid season. He's
already being followed by ten college football coaches on social
media that weren't following him last week.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
You say contact, No, it's a coincidence. Well there, they
just wanted to make sure to follow him at this point.
That way, when the portal opens, then they can have
a conversation with him. You see what I'm saying. Everything's okay,
everything's right and upstanding. Ralph, So I looked at this
as a guy who is doesn't know It's almost like

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you don't know where your next meal is coming from yeah,
because you literally Washington State in Oregon State literally do
not have a football schedule for next year. They have
three non conference games and that's it.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Didn't you have Oregon State Washington's State fans calling you
idiots and them saying that they're actually in a better
position than they ever could hope for because they got
all this money in the bank and they're gonna be
sitting here by themselves. Didn't that happen this week?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yes, that did happen this week? And I was like, wait,
hold up, what are you talking about, bro? So you
think because you file the lawsuit, you think that the
judge is going to give what even if they even
if you get decision making power, You think that one
hundred million, two hundred well, however many well hundreds of

(33:42):
millions that have to get distributed to the other teams.
You think that a judge while they're still in the
conference and they earned it, forget about the stuff when
they leave. You think that the money that they are
this year, that a judge is gonna be like, yep,
give it to Oregon State. In Washington State when they're

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still under contract, they're still honoring the television rights and
all the stuff that they're doing. Right now, you think
that the money for this year is not going in
those schools pockets, you have another thing coming, buddy, another
thing coming.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I just want to point out that, uh, Jayatha Murphy,
the president of Oregon State University, has came out and
said that the total athletic revenue will likely fall by
about forty four percent in twenty twenty five. Your own
staff note, like the president of your college knows you're
in trouble. Don't think that even if you do get

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to control two hundred million dollars between two schools, that
that's not going to become a problem later on down
the line. How many professional athletes and lottery winners go broke.
It's a pretty good percent of them. Yeah, you're gonna
get a big financial windfall at the gate. You think
you're gonna be able to budget your way to like
your spending is going to have to be cut drastically

(35:02):
for sustainability. If you don't have a home in a
in another conference. Just because you hit that JG. Wentworth
it's your money and you need it now, doesn't mean
you're not gonna eny money later on.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Wentworth eight seven seven cash now.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Right, you're not gonna stop needing cash in the future.
That money also had like it's got to be spent.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yes, it's you're gonna spend almost what what sixty they're
they're probably spending sixty eighty million dollars on their on
their athletic stuff.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Their twenty twenty three twenty twenty four athletic budget at
Oregon State is ninety five million.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, so so if you have hundreds of millions, so
like even if you got four hundred million dollars that'll
pay for this year next year, And now all of
a sudden, you lie, what what are we gonna do?
What are we gonna do? Because you literally don't have
money coming in for next year. You have four games

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on your schedule, You have your three non conference games,
and your game against Washington State or Oregon State, depending
on what team you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
You don't have much.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
So and this is the part that sucks because I had,
I tweeted out, I said, the Oregon Washington game, I'm
the Oregon Oregon State game not being played is just tough,
Like it's gonna take some getting used to it. And
they were like, Oregon could have done it if they
wanted to. How Bro, Oregon has thirteen game schedule for
next year, thirteen because they couldn't get out of the

(36:36):
Hawaii game for whatever reason. And they're like, well, they
could have found a way. I said, Oregon State has
three conference games schedule during the exact same three non
conference games scheduled during the exact same time as Oregon
has three conference games. I'm sorry, three non conference games.
So when do you do it well during the conference?

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You can't. It couldn't be done that quickly, So I'm
sorry it stinks. I hope the game gets played again.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
All right, Morgan State's whole schedule is gonna look like
SEC in November next year.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yes, but see what the actually no, because the problem
is how are they those are by games? How they're
gonna buy him?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
They got two hundred million dollars.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Maybe we'll see. Hey, speaking of two hundred million dollars,
your boy Dilly Kenny Dillingham has a new grand spanking
new contract, well contract extension. He got a one year deal, bro,
one year deal. And you can explain to people how
how this came about? For what a two win team, two.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Win team that just got me by fifty two. Uh,
that wasn't the biggest surprise that came in. Well, that
wasn't a surprise at all. Brian Ward, the defensive coordinator,
he signed a three year extension. I didn't even know
three year extensions were available to Arizona State assistant coaches,
So that was that was pretty.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Cool to see because they've only done two Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah, maybe maybe I'm not as informed as I need
to be, but I was under the understanding that a
two year deal was kind of the It was one
of the stumbling blocks with the Board of Regents that
it was made it harder to retain coaches. But Brian
Ward is from Arizona. This gives him long term security

(38:27):
in the place where he's from, working alongside a coach
who now is his five year deal. It continues to
be a five year deal after this year because he
was told when he signed his initial five year contract
coach airson A State, if ASU faced a bullban that
they would extend his contract commensurate with what the penalty was.

(38:51):
So if the NCAA comes back and says one year
bulban's not enough, we're gonna we're gonna hit you with
another one. Then technically that would also justify another year
on top of that for Kenny Dillingham. So Kenny Dillingham's
five year deal goes to a six year deal. I
think it's a good thing. He's somebody who intends on

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being around for a really long time. It's just a
matter of whether or not the punishments that exist for
this school handicap airs on a state long term and
how much people are trying to hold Kenny Dillingham accountable
for the sins of herm Edwards and Antonio Pierce and
Ray Anderson. So shout out to Antonio Piers, by the way,

(39:34):
head coach Las Vegas Raiders. How about that?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Hey, we got a video coming out on that on
the YouTube channel too, So you guys keep it, keep
it in tune and make sure that you guys are
going over there check out all of that stuff. Now
it is now Onto the games, Ralph, Onto the Games?
Or did I miss anything?

Speaker 3 (39:55):
No? I think that's all the news. But make sure
you hit us up at past twelve apostles on Twitter.
I'm mad at on Afraid show dot com. Anything that
you sent us, we will we'll talk about.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yep, it's fact. Jack I was thinking about the comment
that we got on Twitter from from from last week
that we're not going to acknowledge right now. All right,
So the games happened, and we'll start with the USC

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Washington game. Actually no, no, we won't, because we talked
about that a little bit. I think the UCLA Arizona
game did deserve some consideration. Arizona twenty seven, u c
l A number nineteen u c l A ten. This
was painful to watch, Ralph. I'm sitting here with my

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with my wife, and this was and this was painful
to watch because Noah Fafiita was absolutely excellent. He was excellent. Yeah,
he like the dude is playing at a very high level.
I think it is very clear who their quarterback is now.
I mean I don't think that if he can't pull

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him out now, correct?

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, yeah, correct, you are correct. Yeah, not me, you
That's what you wanted to hear.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
And but the reason why it was painful is because
you're watching the opposite problem that you that USC has.
If you put u CLA's defense with us he's offense,
what would happen, Ralph.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Championship?

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, like you'd be the best team in college football?

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Dead ass.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
But you had Ethan Garber's come out, and Arizona's defense
is underrated. They're playing pretty dog on well. And but
the U c l A offense has been on the
struggle bus. They were on the struggle bus versus Colorado,
so I knew that they were gonna have trouble against Arizona.
Hence why I picked Arizona. And then you had Ethan

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Garber's get hurt. Dante Moore came in and Dante Moore
did not look confident. He didn't look confident when when
when he came in and then what what what happened
to him? He got hurt? He ends up back in
the locker room. So then they got to bring out
Colin Slee, who is a runner. He went zero for five.

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If Chip Kelly is gonna be running essentially wildcat this
weekend with because it doesn't look like because because Ethan
Garbers couldn't even walk, so I would highly doubt that
we see him play this.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Week is gonna be Colin Schlee versus Cam Scataboo quarterback.
We might see ten total passes.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Or he gonna have to do something with or he's
gonna have to do something with I don't know Justin
Justin Martin or I don't know who is going to
bring out of the out of the fold. Yeah, because
that's it.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I can't have to two teams with with with three
quarterbacks each, two teams with three quarterbacks each, and and
they're gonna face each other in week eleven with probably
no quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yep. And Arizona did a good job of stopping to
run UCLA with did they?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Did?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
They? Did?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
They?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Twenty five carries for one hundred and thirty four yards
isn't terrible? That's five point four yards of carry? Did you? U?
CLA did a pretty good job of stopping themself.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
So true? True? True. I was including that that Ethan Garber's,
but UCLA typically wants to run the ball significantly more
like they want to get up near near fifty. So
I'm saying that they did a good enough job to
where yeah, they kept UCLA in longer distances.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
You're right, because I took out the Ethan Garber's numbers,
but I didn't take out call Callen shleep, yeah, sleep right.
So I mean that between Carson Steele and TJ. Harden,
seventeen carries for sixty eight yards that's actually pretty damn good.
So yeahbe you're more right than man.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I'm on a roll today. All right, the next game up, Uh,
let's go to Oregon Cow Oregon sixty three cal nineteen.
Bo Nicks was sensational in this game, sin sensational. There's
a video coming out about him and the Heisman Trophy.

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So bo Nicks was incredible. Dude, I gave and and
if I hear his brother tans Walker again, it's like
the thing that I was like, Yogi please hmmm.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
You know what you know what kills me about about
it is they just throw adopted in there, like we
can't figure out that these are two different colors. Just
say his brother. Yeah, I'm fine, would be fine if
it actually went down the way that you were saying.
I would be fine if they said his brother tes Walker.
But they they say adopted with a capital.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
A, like like, well, I think they're trying to emphasize
that they're actually real family and then that and not
just his brother.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Man, oh, I don't mean this the way that it's
gonna sound, But Yogi Roth is not one to not
hit the hard R stupid his adopted brother tes Walker.
You're not Tess Walker. Like, did I hear a brother once? No,

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Yogi's the best. Like, you don't got to throw out
there that he's adopted. Adopted means chosen, right. Adopted means chosen,
It means elected, It means brought into the fold. Right.
You could just say brother. If an adoption is really
that's your brother.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Very very true.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
So saying adopted makes it sound like adoption is not
really adoption, then it doesn't count.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Well, very true, very true. So bon Nicks threw for
four touchdowns one pick, and the pick wasn't even his fault.
His brother, his adopted brother, tes Walker, on the first
play of the game, dropped an interception. If you understand
what I mean, he dropped the past for an intersection.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
I said, Tess Walker. Now you said Tess Walker.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Oh, Tesz Johnson, Lord of Mercy. So, yeah, he was sensational.
You had Bucky Irving was good, Jordan James. Bucky got
a little banged up, but he'll be back this week.
Dante Dodwell took carries bro this game got out of hand.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yeah, Tess Johnson was responsible for two turnovers?

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Or was it? Or was the center? Was that the
center's fault.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
I don't know, because I mean they credited him with
a fumble though.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Tess Johnson. Yep, they credited his knee with a fumble,
got the ball, and they kicked the ball back toward
the cow En zone and they scored off that.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Hey, Oregon scored twenty one points in the final five
minutes of the first half in this one. Yeah, sometimes
it takes a while for the seal to break, but
when it broke, oh my lord.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, when when he called time out on second down
in the first half, with like a minute and thirty
seconds to go in the second half, he was like like,
that was like an f you. We know we're going
to stop you, So we're not even wait until third
down to call time out. We're gonna make you play

(47:42):
football right here. You're not running the clock down. We're
gonna take this.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
I got two things for you. Number one, credit to
you who said if all these other teams scored fifty
on Cow, you know Oregon's gonna get more than fifty
on Cow. And you also said, if Col's getting twenty
five on these teams, there's no way Cal's getting twenty
five on Oregon. The score played out exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
The way you said, and they got a free touchdown
and they got it.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
They got yep, exactly. And the second thing I wanted
to throw out there is Justin will Cox is currently
the head coach of a college football team with the
one hundred and thirtieth ranked scoring defense out of one

(48:34):
thirty three. One thirty. Oh.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
I remember you talked about this because because the number
was like, they're giving up an average of like forty
nine points a game to ranked team. Yeah, and then
you said, if you throw out Utah, whose offense isn't
that great, it's like fifty five. Yeah, and now it's

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like a million.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
So if you include all their games this year, including
playing against Idaho, they are one thirty out of one
thirty three in scoring defense, and oh my god, Like,
I just think about the fact that they brought back
the offensive coordinator that they had under sunny Dyke's and

(49:26):
now his offenses were really good, but it never mattered
because sunny Dyke's defenses gave up fifty a game. And
he's right back in the same situation. Jake Spavital has
to hate the Bay right now.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Okay, So, so I had this conversation with Deshaun Foster.
I said, so, can you have an offense.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
That is so.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Incredibly explosive, like you said at USC, like you're seeing
over at Cow, which is doing a good job going
fast all of this. Can you have that and put
together a top tier defense too?

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
I don't know if it's possible because of what we
mentioned with Lincoln Riley and your philosophy is not matching.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Okay, okay, well, okay. Yardage and scoring I feel like
are two different things because I feel like, you know,
both can be deceptive, right but scoring Oregon is one
and eleven right now. They're first in the country in
points per game, and they're eleventh in opponent points per game.

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Shout out Greg McElroy.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
All right, yeah, so I guess it can be. It's
just tough, bro, It's just very, very tough to do.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
If you're in the top you're the If you are
the top thirteen, you're in the top ten percent of
college football. To me, the top ten percent is the
elite of the elite. Right now, Oregon hasn't the best
offense and an elite defense, in my opinion, not a
perfect defense. They can get god, especially in the secondary
but it's an elite defense at this point in time,
it's possible. So for all those people, the USC people

(51:11):
that were making excuses for Grench, they've disappeared, by the way.
But for the one saying it's the way we run
our offense that actually causes our defense to have trouble. No,
it isn't one hundred and ninety nine yards before contact.
That doesn't have anything to do with your offense.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Nope. Okay, So question here, what do you think about
Fernando Mendoza.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
It's fun, He's fun as hell.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
I'm I And that's the quarterback is for cow who's
starting right right now in case you didn't.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Know, Yeah, I don't think he's won a game, and
I think he was probably the first one to point
that out.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
But like he's been better than anything that they got
sitting there right now.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
I make the same argument for for Mendoza that I
make for Trenton Boorgay. Do you want your offense to
move or not? With what you have going going on
right now? Do you want your offense to move or
do you not want your offense to move? That's it,
because anything else is we want a quarterback who's not
in the building. And that's not an argument that I
can entertain with you because that quarterback's.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Not because I think that Mendoza, who's young, can can
develop into a good quarterback.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Yeah, he's fun. He might develop some some bad habits
playing from behind all the time, but he could play.
And the problem for Cal is last year that he
had two quarterbacks that looked like they could play a
little bit. And the moment they looked like they could
play a little bit, they ended up a target for
other teams. Uh.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
But were they a target for other teams or they
just wanted to get away from Cal?

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Great question, great question.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Oregon State twenty six Colorado nineteen.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
This game nineteen asterisk. Put an asterisk on that nineteen
because fourteen of that game in garbage time.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yeah. Nothing, This game was nowhere near as Kloe says
this score said. And I don't know whether, like, I
don't know what to think about that really, because Oregon
State only putting up twenty six points on Colorado is alarming.
That's alarming. DJ only completed fifty of his passes.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
I thought like Colorado's defense played inspired football.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I do.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
I thought they played really well.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
They're not good, though, like that.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
No, they're not good. You can have a good game
every once in a while. And I think they stepped up. Yeah,
they only this is why I say that the longest
run of the game for Oregon State came from aid and.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Child yep, twenty three yards for attack.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
It's a huge improvement to me. If you take that
twenty three yard runout. If you take that twenty three
yard runout, you're talking about forty five carries for Oregon State.
So Oregon State did did what they needed. Do they
stay dedicated to that run game against a bad defense?
But we're talking about forty five carries for one hundred
and seventy two yards. Oh, so that's what you should

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that's what you.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Should share under four yards to carry at that point.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Yeah, that's the Colorado deserves a lot of credit for
the way they showed up defensively in this game. But
what happened on offense? Did they do something this week
to change the offense? George?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yes, they they They demoted Sean Lewis as their coordinator
and put Pat Shermer in place as their coordinator. And
because apparently, and there's a video on this on the
YouTube channel about Pat Nardoozi and Dion criticizing their players,

(54:43):
Dion specifically the offensive line. I hope you guys enjoy it.
Oh well, we'll put a link to it in the
description too. So I don't know if this well, actually
I guess it may. It may have helped Ralph because
he only got sacked four times this game.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Yeah, yeah, he only got sacked four times. Still still
on pace to break to break some records. He's he's
a tough son of a bitch. Dude. I'm not how
is he walking? I'm not calling Pilar Sanders. If you
watch Pactove Apostles, I do not think that you're a bitch, dude.

(55:25):
It's an expression, dude.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I don't know how this dude is how Shador Sanders
is still walking right now. I can't even imagine what
he feels like the day after the game. Two days
after the game. I don't even know how he can practice. Dude,
He's getting his ass kicked. This is gross. I mean,
it's it's to the point now that it's painful to watch.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
This was the first time this game against Oregon State
was the first time where I was like, oh, a
couple of these are definitely him they're definitely him, yes
and like, and the broadcast was even calling him out.
But at the same time like part of the reason
he's not getting rid of the ball, And this is
just outsider's perspective. He's tired, he's tired, and sometimes the

(56:15):
only thing it feels like he has energy to do
is to go down. He looks dog tired. He's got it.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yes, yes, he's got to get the ball out of
his hands. Part of it is coordinatorship, but the other
part is they can't run the damn football. They cannot
run the football. They no they're running backs. Gave them
eleven carries for's twenty thirty one yards they were including

(56:47):
the seven should the seven for minus thirty seven from
shaudor you had, they were negative seven yards as a
team rushing.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Pretty incredible for Oregon State's defensive rushing stats to go up.
For them to take seven yards away from the total
yards that Oregon State has allowed on the season in
a mid season game is pretty incredible. They are a

(57:22):
long of eight. A long of eight. You can't And
we've talked about this, Colorado is up until this game
when I actually thought they played well on defense, a
fully fully one dimensional team.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yep, and you know how many. So Oregon State is
third in the conference. They've only allowed eight rushing touchdowns
on the entire season and an average of three point
three seven yards per rush, which is fifth behind Arizona, Oregon, Utah,
and UCLA. Ucla has only allowed one rushing touchdown on

(57:59):
the season and two point three yards two point three
yards a carry.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
That's what and I hate to keep bringing everything back
to Alex Grinch, but that's what's so fascinating to me
is that there are twenty three teams in the country
right now that do not have ten rushing touchdowns on
the season. Colorado is one of them. They don't have
ten total rushing touchdowns right. USC gave up ten rushing
touchdowns in the last two games combined.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
That's wow, So Oregon State, are you concerned at all
about them? Or was this game just a win? Is
a win?

Speaker 3 (58:32):
We talked about the fact that they don't look good
in the road, and they don't look good against functional quarterbacks.
They have played three good quarterbacks and all three quarterbacks
were able to gash that defense a little bit. Right.
They had the advantage in this game of Colorado not
running a multi dimensional offense. If you have a good

(58:53):
quarterback and a marginally decent running game, going to kick
Oregon State's ass. Okay, So if you have any holes
in your offensive game whatsoever, they're going to exploit it.
At this point, it's a skill issue, not a will issue,
and I can't fault Oregon State for skill issues. They're
the recruits that they're getting. They're doing the best they

(59:15):
can with them.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
They got Stanford this week. They cannot slip up against
Stanford because they got mofos the last two weeks of
the season in Washington and Oregon.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
And they're in They're in Corvallis. I think that I
think the line on that game is is like cartoon
birds stupid. But like I think that, I think that
Oregon State will be fine against Stanford. I hope.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
So all right, speaking of Stanford Stanford Washington State Stanford ten,
Washington State seven. What happened to Washington State's offense?

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Bro they're both both these teams can go to hell
for how they looked and goes straight to hell. Stanford
had the ball. Stanford had the ball at like the
ten going into the second half and tried to run

(01:00:15):
with justin Lampson on fourth and one. They were only
down seven nothing. They could have just taken the three
points and they didn't. And they went into halftime down
seven to nothing, and I was like, that might be
Stanford's best chance to score.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
That might be it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
But what I did not count on. What I did
not count on was the fact that Washington State's defense
would just get tired from all the short yardage stuff
that Stanford was pulling, and that they would break down
in the second half.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
They and also what I Stanford averaged two yards to
carry and still ran it thirty eight times. They're like, Effett,
we just go run it over and over and over
and over and over for a long of thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
This game should have ended when this game should have
been over when uh Stanford committed their first turnover in
six games. By the way, shout out to Stanford for
only having one turnover in the last six games. But
Stanford turned the ball over deep in Stanford territory, like

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Washington State, had a chance to put this game away,
and instead of running the ball or doing anything to
like get good field position, kick the field goal and
just take the lead. Because Stanford's offense couldn't do anything. Uh,
cam Ward took multiple back to back losses. He took
back to back sacks, and then Janikowski missed his second

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field goal the season.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
He's only people were I've heard people say, oh my god,
Oregon should go after cam Ward next year. I'm like, no,
they should not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
No, No, they hold the ball. He holds the ball.
He looks very different in bad weather. He will get
impatient with you only giving him the short stuff, and
he'll try to make some plays down the field, which
will get him sacked because he'll hold the ball for
too long. But the only reason that Washington State even
had seven in this game is because cam Ward made
a crazy play for a thirty nine year completion. This

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game sucked so bad. It sucked so bad. Stanford deserves credit.
Stanford deserves credit. But since being ranked thirteenth in the country,
Washington State has not won.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Nope, Hey, bad luck thirteen. All right, last game?

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
And what's crazy to me?

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Ugh?

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
All right, Utah gotta get right game. Sorry, I guess
against Arizona State fifty five to three, How did you
give Utah fifty five points? And I will admit I'm
going to admit I did not watch this game, Ralph,

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because I saw because I was gonna go back and
watch it, because I wasn't able to watch it at
the at the time. So I was like, all right,
I'm gonna go back and watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
And then I looked at the score twenty four to three,
and then it just kept getting worse. I was like,
I'm not watching it. I'm not watching that game. And
then you were giving me updates. You were like Cam
scataboo'z our quarterback, and then you're like Jacob Jacob conover
five for twenty two, Ralph, How did your quarterback go
five for twenty two with a pick? Make it make

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sense to me?

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Yeah, I don't know. I honestly, like, I will say
that it says something about you as a person that
you saw the score fifty five to three and you
didn't go back and watch it. And I'm not saying
that you're lazy. I'm saying that you're the type of
person that if a video came across your timeline that
was like man kicks Toddler off of bridge, that you

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wouldn't click on it, because that's what this was. Kis
man kicks Toddler off of bridge. It was painful. It
was very painful to watch. I'll give Utah credit. First
of all, Trent board Game got knocked out on like
I think his first drop back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
So yeah, and he was doing better because he was
three for six.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Yeah, I told you. I called you before the game
and I said, ASU starting a freshman that left tackle,
this could be bad. And it was. It's not the
first time they brought a freshman left tackle into Utah
and left taking the worst loss of the season. So
it's nice to see that this Arizona State team paying
tribute to uh Jadan Daniels freshman year. But I will

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say this, Utah figured out that ASU didn't really have
an answer for like bunch formation stuff, and that's how
they scored the first touchdown. They kept going back to it,
and ASU was just kind of confused on defense. A
su kept losing players during the game, and there was
this camera shot of Kenny Dillingham talking to to Kyle
Whittingham on the sideline and you knew that they were

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talking about all the injuries both teams had faced, and
you just knew that they were both like this year
is insane. Like and so I don't know. I don't
really have much to say about this game other than
Utah did exactly what they were supposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
They ran for three and fifty two yards on forty
nine kids.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Yeah, and Jacob Conover should be better than he was
he hopefully with a full week to practice. Hopefully, with
a full week to practice, it looks a little bit different.
Maybe Trent Morgay will be ready. I don't know. But bad, bad,
bad game, bad game, bad sit stay don't want to

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remember that one. And I'm I'm really unhappy that they're
coming to the Big twelve with us.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Hey, Kenny, Kenny got an extension though, So.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yeah, Well I did say that fifty five to three
is going to be ASU's villain origin story. So this
is rock bottom for us.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
All right, Well, this week we have games, and you
got Arizona State at UCLA. Arizona State is in the
as in the Rose Bowl, the granddaddy of them all,
and UCLA is favored by seventeen points over under forty
four and a half. So basically, you're probably gonna need

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Ucla to score all the points. I am going to
go with Ucla. Oh god, minus seventeen. I don't even
know who's going to quarterback for them. Get who's going
to quarterback for UCLA. I actually I'm gonna go Ucla
minus seventeen because they might win seventeen to zero. Okay,

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but I'm definitely taking this under. I am under under, Okay,
I yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
I don't even have as like and I'm not an insider,
but I'm maybe as close to an insider as you
could get on you know, somebody who knows about what
both of these teams have going on. I don't forty
four and a half. I'm definitely taking the under. But
I don't Ucla winning by seventeen. I don't even know

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if they get to seventeen. This might be This might
be Stanford Washington State. Part two might be a ten
to seven game. So give me Arizona State in the under.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Ooh ooh, you're feeling frisky, you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Know, Arizona State. Arizona State's the only team in the
Pac twelve right now that can't make a bowl. So
just shout out to the Pac twelve going into the
tenth game that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Would say Colorado can't can't make a bowl. Eitherer brother.
But that's a whole difference.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
But technic, technically they can They're not gonna win. They're
not gonna win their twelfth game in the season, we
know that. But if they win the next two weeks,
they're still alive. So but that just goes to show
when people talk about the strength of the Pac twelve,
there is only one team eliminated heading into the tenth
game of the season. For most teams, yep, who.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
And you have USC Oregon in Oregon. This line keeps falling.
Oregon start opened up like minus actually started out like
minus thirteen and a half, then it ballooned up to
seventeen and a half, and now it's it's uh, it's
settling in around fifteen. Yeah, I am going to go

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with and it's over under seventy three and a half.
Oregon might score all seventy three points.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
All right, I guess over feels like easy money.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah, this feels like fifty six twenty four, uh fifty yeah,
fifty six twenty four, fifty six twenty seven somewhere around there.
I'm gonna take Oregon and the over because Oregon covers.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Yeah, man, I I feel like USC could do the
same thing they did to Washington last week and keep it,
keep it close, but have it not really feel close. Yeah.
So I'm actually gonna take USC in this game, and
I and I love the over, but a two touchdown
loss maybe makes more sense to me. USC can do

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the one thing that that Oregon has trouble defending. But
it for Oregon to dominate in primetime. There's so much
motivation to dominate because this game is gonna be on
Fox seven thirty Pacific. A lot of people are gonna
be watching.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yep, yep, oh it's actually on Fox. It's not even
on FS one ooh. See. Actually thought that they were
gonna get the early game. But but thanks to like
whoever had the ranked game, was gonna end up with
the twelve thirty game. And now USC gotta play at
night in Autsen. Lord have mercy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Yeah, being afraid to tackle, Being afraid to tackle in
sunny SoCal is one thing. Being afraid to tackle when
it's forty eight degrees out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
H Yes, and Bro, it's gonna be like the Boogeyman
stepped in there. Bro, it's gonna be like that candy man,
candy Man, candy Man. All right, you got Arizona Colorado
Arizona minus ten and a half over under fifty four
and a half. I don't believe in Colorado at all.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Right right now?

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
They do play better in Folsome. They're not gonna get
embarrassed and Folsome. So I am going to go, but
I don't like this officer coordinator situation. I'm gonna take
Arizona minus. Actually, I think it's gonna be a ten
point victory, So give me Colorado. I don't feel good
about this. Colorado plus ten and a half over under

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fifty four and a half. I'm going to take the
what's that twenty seven each, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
take the under.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Yeah, it it's okay. So if I'm Jed Fish going
into Folesome in this game where you can get your
seventh win of the season, you should probably be eight
and one right now. You know you be lost a
couple of games you should have won. I have one
rule for my players, and I don't care if it
makes you look like poor sports, and I don't care
if I end up getting fine. No shaking hands, walk

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right off the field after the game. Because the only
way that Arizona's losing in this game is if they
lose players. Because if I'm Jonah Coleman, I'm not letting
him shake Deon Sanders hands after the game. If I'm Palitom,
my coaches aren't letting me get anywhere near Colorado's offensive line.
Coach like the the only way Arizona could lose in

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this game is if is if if some of their
players get recruited after it's over. Arizona is playing so
physical right now, and they're comfortable with giving you yards
as long as they don't give up the big play.
It's just an awesome, awesome mix of football and well,
ten and a half is kind of a wild line

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to me. I'm twelve to fourteen is where I'm comfortable.
So I'm gonna take Arizona and I'm probably gonna take
the over as well. But I think that this is
a guaranteed w for Arizona, and I think that, yeah,
you just got to watch out for maybe some backdoor
recruiting is all.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Hey, cause you know everybody's using them opportunities, all right.
Utah at Washington, Washington's favor by nine and a half
over under fifty two and a half. Oregon ran the
ball well on Utah, which is what helped them secure
the wind. But Utah is going to I think that

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this game could be close. I pray Utah does not
mess things up, praying what actually this would not be
as bad for Oregon because because of what they did
to Utah. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
In your mind, But those people that vote don't have
your mind, and that's why I think it actually would
be bad. You need a signature end of season victory.
So I think Washington wins, but nine and a half, No,
I think Utah keeps it close. And yeah, transitive property
stuff is galaxy brain thinking. But the way that I
look at it is Arizona State did not allow Washington

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to score a touchdown at home. Utah beat Arizona State
by fifty two. Utah will keep this game close.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
I believe, So as well, give me Utah and give
me we've seen that I'm taking the under in this
game too. Wow, Okay, but actually no, no, I'm gonna
take the over because I think Utah is gonna be
able to score, So give me the over. All, right,
Washington State cal Cal is favored by a point in

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this game. This is the difference between Washington State getting
a chance to go to a bowl game and not
because they're not gonna beat Washington and Cal still technically
has bowl hopes alive. So yeah, I get over under
fifty eight and a half. I'm going to take the
over because Cal's gonna be able to score, and then

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Washington State's gonna be able to score because Cal's defensive
Swiss cheese, and if Washington State can't score against them,
they have bigger problems on their hands. So give me
the over, and I'm going to take I'm gonna take
Cal in this game. Washington State's really.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
I like Cal. Yeah, I'm with you on that. As
far as the total fifty eight and a half, I
think a lot of that's gonna have to come from Cal.
I think Washington State's the one that's having trouble scoring
right now after their offense looks so good. Maybe it

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was really good, but it's easy to figure out over time.
But just to be safe, I'll take the over. But
I like Cal straight up, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Stanford Oregon State Oregon State minus twenty one. This line
feels outrageous. This line feels super outrageous to me, give
me Stanford every single time in this Orgon State's gonna
win the football game, but they couldn't do very much
versus Colorado and Stanford. They're gonna run the ball, run

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the ball, run the ball. But Oregon States used to
seeing that in practice, so they might be able to
stop it. So this twenty one kind of feels doable.
But I'm going with an over under fifty four and
a half. I'm going to take said Stanford Cardinal and
it's it's a two thirty game. It's not gonna be
one of them night fall games. It's gonna help them out.

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And I'm going to take the as twenty seven. I'm
gonna take the under in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Yeah, me too, Me too. I think it's maybe a
twenty eight to seventeen Oregon State win. I do think
that Stanford didn't Ashton Daniels didn't display this against Washington State,
but I do think Ashon Daniels has the ability to
move the ball through the air. Oregon State struggles with that,

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but ultimately they're gonna they're gonna win this game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
All right. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
The last thing that we have up before we get
out of here is is what's up oh with our
player picks?

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Okay, So you picked Michael Pennix, the easy w there.
Ye he probably had the play of the College Football weekend.
Uh yeah, yeah, fantastic. Uh. I had Travis Hunter. He
looked really good on offense. Yeah, he looks so good

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on offense that makes me wonder. But I know he's
a corner, but I man, he could play. So you're
up nine to six, I believe.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
And that brings us to this week's picks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
All right, I'll let you pick first, since you since
you lost.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Okay, I'm going with Jonah Coleman, University of Arizona running back.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Oh against Colorado. Damn, that's it, damn.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
And he's just he's one of the most aggressive runners
in all of college football right now. I just really
really think he's having a special season.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
All Right, I am going to I almost said Noah
witting To, but no, I'm going with Jordan James from
Oregon running back from Oregon RB two. Huh yep, I'm
going with RB two, Buddy. And no, that doesn't mean
I know anything. Bucky Irving from everything that I've heard,
is playing in the game. But I can't pick Bucky

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Irving because I picked Bucky Irving earlier this year.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
So if Dylan Johnson got the one ninety nine pre contact,
I'm like, Bucky Irving is going to be. It wouldn't
matter if Bucky Irving was in a wheelchair. He's gonna
get me some of those holes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
That's why I'm saying Jordan James is gonna get some carries.
So I'm excited about it. All right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
I know it doesn't bother you that USC sucks, but
I'm genuinely disappointed that doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
It doesn't do anything for me. I'm jappy watching in one,
which I was so confused about. I didn't even know
who to cheer for during the game. All right, all right,
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