January 8, 2024 • 10 mins
On the second-to-last episode of the Pac-12 Apostles, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden give their National Championship picks. Will Washington's defense hold up against the Wolverine's powerful rushing attack? Does Michael Penix have one last Heisman-worthy performance in him? And most importantly, is George able to swallow his pride and root for the Huskies?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amsen, and this is the
PAC twelve Apostles, the final episode of the PAC twelve
Apostles before we're rebranded, of course, and you guys, of course,
make sure that you guys go over to Unafraid Show
on YouTube so YouTube dot com, slash Unafraid Show, Unafraid
Show dot com, everything in between, great new content and
(00:24):
everything in between. But we wanted to talk about the
National Championship and talk about who we're picking and what
we're expecting today. And Ralph, I have been torn since
my Oregon Ducks got knocked out of the National Championship
picture by the Washington Huskies. And I've been torn because
(00:49):
this team is so likable, dude, Michael Pennix Junior, all
the injuries, how do you not root for him? They've
had multiple coaches because the story is good, right, and
I'm a personal love stories. The story is good, so
I don't want them to win. But if they did win,
I'd be like, oh.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I don't even know what those noises mean. Oh man,
I went for the people listening. This is the technically
the final episode of pecteve Apostles is just Championship preview.
We will come back. We'll talk about what happened in
the championship sometime later this week. We'll figure it out, uh,
and then we'll be back. Uh in your ears and
your listening devices with a with a news show, got
(01:34):
to figure out what though.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It will be on the same feed for everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, so you don't have to make any changes. But
I will say this, it has been fun watching you
kind of get get put through the ringer of you know,
watching a team that you actually you love stylistically, you
love personnel wise. I think you adore these coaches. I
think you really do. I think it just comes down
to hating the color purple. Dude.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
When we were at the PAC twelve Championship game, I
was in the tunnel and see and here's the thing
about it is that Washington fans in Oregon they hate
each other so much. But I was in the tunnel
prior to the Pack Tworld Championship and I saw one
of the Washington coaches that I know and he was like, hey, man,
wish wait. He said good good luck today and I
(02:25):
was like, we won't need it. And he was like,
and I said, wish you and your group the best.
You know, I hope y'all lose, but I wish you
and your group the best. And he was like, well,
I wish nothing but misery for y'all. And I was like,
oh damn, you couldn't.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Just like try, you tried.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I tried, and he was like nope, nope, just spit
in my face. So they're playing Michigan. I don't think
Michigan has seen an offense that's anything like Washington's.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Nowhere's good now, not even close. Not so.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
But I do believe Washington has seen a team that's
like Michigan in in Oregon, except from Oregon throws the
ball better than throws the ball better than Michigan does.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, I think you're right. I think that I would
put Michigan and I would put Oregon on Michigan's level.
I think they're an elite football team. They're physical, they're big.
At everybody who sees Oregon in person, your boy Josh
pat All say they look like a big ten roster
in the trenches. They look like an SEC roster in
the trenches. Uh So, I don't think. I don't think
(03:39):
Washington can get surprised by the physicality of Michigan. But
but the one thing that I'm not one hundred percent
sure about because I'm all in on Washington here. I
think they're the better team. I think they're better constructed.
I think they're senior heavy. It's hard for me to
say better coach because I have a lot of respect
(04:01):
for Jim Harbaugh going back thirty years. I got a
lot of respect for Jim Harbaugh. But uh, I just
don't I think outside of Michigan's ability to dial up
maybe a blitz that Washington hasn't seen before, I don't know, man,
I I I I don't know how even Vegas could
look at this game and say that Michigan should be favored,
(04:24):
unless it's just the fact that people didn't watch Washington
all year, and I think that that was real.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
We have point spread, it's a five and a half
point spread, and it was favorite.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Michigan, right, Yeah, But I don't think people have watched Washington.
All the people, everybody in our media industry this week
talking about Michael Pennix as the first round or why
isn't anybody talking about Michael Penix is the first rounder?
You're the Why isn't anybody it's you? It's because you
didn't watch it. He's been the same player for two years.
He doesn't look any different than he looked last year.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Not at a little bit. Oh guys, I noticed that too.
They're like, man, why is it anybody talking about this
Washington team? They were much better than we thought? What
are you talking about? We've been saying this all year?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Stop irustrating dude, all these like all I saw the
volume had like draft experts and be like, hey, you know,
Pennis really improved his draft grade? How why did you mean?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
What wasn't even the best of Pennix? Like that lit
But but I will say, though, the thing that I
do appreciate about Michael Pennis Junior is that he has
played his best football when it mattered the most. He
didn't play his best football against Arizona State they won.
Against Stanford they won, But when it came down to
Oregon State made throws to win, Oregon found a way
(05:45):
to win, played extremely well. Semi final game balled out.
I don't expect anything but that from from him. Like
some of the passes that this dude through, you might
have go on and handed it to the wide receivers.
But now on the Michigan side. Michigan is going to
run the football. They have a commitment to run the football.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I mean at the time, Yes is going to touch
the ball? What third six seven times a quarter?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, And third and nine is not a passing down
for them, it's a potential running down, like they will
like they will line up a shotgun to run a
quarterback power on third and nine and and end up
in fourth and one and then go for it there.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Do you think Washington can handle that because I don't
know if they've seen something like that.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
See now, I don't see. In the Pac twelve championship game,
I don't believe Oregon played their best game. I don't
think bow Knicks had his best game, which made it difficult.
But I do believe though that Washington if they can
keep them in third and long, which is I mean,
(06:58):
like the the worst part of washington d defense is
their past defense. So like they're they're good up front,
So I do think that there's a possibility. And then
JJ McCarthy is gonna have an opportunity against one hundred
and nineteenth ranked pass defense in the country.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, And I think I think that McCarthy has
to show us something that he hasn't really shown us
uh in the last few weeks of the season, which
is that he can push the ball down the field
and take risks. Yep, because Pennix is gonna take risks.
They're gonna go They're gonna go right at Sandrastill, the
converted wide receiver, Thorpe runner up. You know, they're gonna
(07:39):
go at everybody. That's what they do. Yep, they go
at everyone. Michigan's gotta because the Michigan gets down and
I think this game is gonna be close regardless, but
the Michigan gets down, they can't. They're not gonna be
able to run themselves back into it.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well Georgia, Georgia did against so Oklahoma State that one time,
and I'm sorry against to Oklahoma and the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Run defensive Swiss cheese though. So So before we get
out of here, Ralph.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Who are you picking Washington?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Give me a score.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I like Washington thirty four to twenty eight, a six
point win. Uh My guy Grady Gross hit a couple
of few goals to make the make the difference. You know,
I got a root for the roster that's literally full
of Arizona kids. We got to end this podcast the
same way that that I started, just me being a
massive homer thirty one.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I either want to go thirty one twenty or thirty
one twenty four. Huskies.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
You look so sad. Who's your who's your player of
the game. Who's your player of the game?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Roman, He's the best player on the team.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, yeah, he really is. It'll be interesting man, that
this is. There are so many players on this Washington
team that have been on the team for a really
long time. I don't think Dylan Johnson makes an impact
in this game. I think he's hurt, hurt, yep, And
I think that they they probably just were hiding it.
But they they got running backs. I mean, they have
other running backs on this team that just really haven't
(09:19):
given them an opportunity this year. So maybe we see
a name that that you're not really expecting. I mean,
who do they got? They got They got Sam Adams
a second, they got Daniel and Gotta. They got Richard Taylor,
who's been on the team for five six years now.
You know, hopefully one of them can pick up the
slack because Dylan Johnson is a big piece of the
(09:39):
success that they had this year. But I'll go Michael
Pennix and yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm all in
on Washington. We'll see if we're right. We'll see if
the if the Pac twelve experiment ends with a championship,
don't cry and.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
My arm and I'll leave as this what did what
phrase did I back and say from the beginning of
this podcast, back to pack, back to pack. Now I'm
sitting here Pack twelve exploded. I'm like, I get I
(10:18):
get why people said that I'm not back in the
pack even though the pack is gonna win.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Is this a five hundred thousand dollars check for Oregon?
If Washington wins? Or do or do the Beavers and
the Koogs control the playoff money? That's what I want
to know.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That is a good question. We'll answer that on the
next episode, peace Out
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amsen, and this is the
PAC twelve Apostles, the final episode of the PAC twelve
Apostles before we're rebranded, of course, and you guys, of course,
make sure that you guys go over to Unafraid Show
on YouTube so YouTube dot com, slash Unafraid Show, Unafraid
Show dot com, everything in between, great new content and
(00:24):
everything in between. But we wanted to talk about the
National Championship and talk about who we're picking and what
we're expecting today. And Ralph, I have been torn since
my Oregon Ducks got knocked out of the National Championship
picture by the Washington Huskies. And I've been torn because
(00:49):
this team is so likable, dude, Michael Pennix Junior, all
the injuries, how do you not root for him? They've
had multiple coaches because the story is good, right, and
I'm a personal love stories. The story is good, so
I don't want them to win. But if they did win,
I'd be like, oh.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I don't even know what those noises mean. Oh man,
I went for the people listening. This is the technically
the final episode of pecteve Apostles is just Championship preview.
We will come back. We'll talk about what happened in
the championship sometime later this week. We'll figure it out, uh,
and then we'll be back. Uh in your ears and
your listening devices with a with a news show, got
(01:34):
to figure out what though.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It will be on the same feed for everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, so you don't have to make any changes. But
I will say this, it has been fun watching you
kind of get get put through the ringer of you know,
watching a team that you actually you love stylistically, you
love personnel wise. I think you adore these coaches. I
think you really do. I think it just comes down
to hating the color purple. Dude.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
When we were at the PAC twelve Championship game, I
was in the tunnel and see and here's the thing
about it is that Washington fans in Oregon they hate
each other so much. But I was in the tunnel
prior to the Pack Tworld Championship and I saw one
of the Washington coaches that I know and he was like, hey, man,
wish wait. He said good good luck today and I
(02:25):
was like, we won't need it. And he was like,
and I said, wish you and your group the best.
You know, I hope y'all lose, but I wish you
and your group the best. And he was like, well,
I wish nothing but misery for y'all. And I was like,
oh damn, you couldn't.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Just like try, you tried.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I tried, and he was like nope, nope, just spit
in my face. So they're playing Michigan. I don't think
Michigan has seen an offense that's anything like Washington's.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Nowhere's good now, not even close. Not so.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
But I do believe Washington has seen a team that's
like Michigan in in Oregon, except from Oregon throws the
ball better than throws the ball better than Michigan does.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, I think you're right. I think that I would
put Michigan and I would put Oregon on Michigan's level.
I think they're an elite football team. They're physical, they're big.
At everybody who sees Oregon in person, your boy Josh
pat All say they look like a big ten roster
in the trenches. They look like an SEC roster in
the trenches. Uh So, I don't think. I don't think
(03:39):
Washington can get surprised by the physicality of Michigan. But
but the one thing that I'm not one hundred percent
sure about because I'm all in on Washington here. I
think they're the better team. I think they're better constructed.
I think they're senior heavy. It's hard for me to
say better coach because I have a lot of respect
(04:01):
for Jim Harbaugh going back thirty years. I got a
lot of respect for Jim Harbaugh. But uh, I just
don't I think outside of Michigan's ability to dial up
maybe a blitz that Washington hasn't seen before, I don't know, man,
I I I I don't know how even Vegas could
look at this game and say that Michigan should be favored,
(04:24):
unless it's just the fact that people didn't watch Washington
all year, and I think that that was real.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
We have point spread, it's a five and a half
point spread, and it was favorite.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Michigan, right, Yeah, But I don't think people have watched Washington.
All the people, everybody in our media industry this week
talking about Michael Pennix as the first round or why
isn't anybody talking about Michael Penix is the first rounder?
You're the Why isn't anybody it's you? It's because you
didn't watch it. He's been the same player for two years.
He doesn't look any different than he looked last year.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Not at a little bit. Oh guys, I noticed that too.
They're like, man, why is it anybody talking about this
Washington team? They were much better than we thought? What
are you talking about? We've been saying this all year?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Stop irustrating dude, all these like all I saw the
volume had like draft experts and be like, hey, you know,
Pennis really improved his draft grade? How why did you mean?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
What wasn't even the best of Pennix? Like that lit
But but I will say, though, the thing that I
do appreciate about Michael Pennis Junior is that he has
played his best football when it mattered the most. He
didn't play his best football against Arizona State they won.
Against Stanford they won, But when it came down to
Oregon State made throws to win, Oregon found a way
(05:45):
to win, played extremely well. Semi final game balled out.
I don't expect anything but that from from him. Like
some of the passes that this dude through, you might
have go on and handed it to the wide receivers.
But now on the Michigan side. Michigan is going to
run the football. They have a commitment to run the football.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I mean at the time, Yes is going to touch
the ball? What third six seven times a quarter?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, And third and nine is not a passing down
for them, it's a potential running down, like they will
like they will line up a shotgun to run a
quarterback power on third and nine and and end up
in fourth and one and then go for it there.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Do you think Washington can handle that because I don't
know if they've seen something like that.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
See now, I don't see. In the Pac twelve championship game,
I don't believe Oregon played their best game. I don't
think bow Knicks had his best game, which made it difficult.
But I do believe though that Washington if they can
keep them in third and long, which is I mean,
(06:58):
like the the worst part of washington d defense is
their past defense. So like they're they're good up front,
So I do think that there's a possibility. And then
JJ McCarthy is gonna have an opportunity against one hundred
and nineteenth ranked pass defense in the country.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, yeah, And I think I think that McCarthy has
to show us something that he hasn't really shown us
uh in the last few weeks of the season, which
is that he can push the ball down the field
and take risks. Yep, because Pennix is gonna take risks.
They're gonna go They're gonna go right at Sandrastill, the
converted wide receiver, Thorpe runner up. You know, they're gonna
(07:39):
go at everybody. That's what they do. Yep, they go
at everyone. Michigan's gotta because the Michigan gets down and
I think this game is gonna be close regardless, but
the Michigan gets down, they can't. They're not gonna be
able to run themselves back into it.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well Georgia, Georgia did against so Oklahoma State that one time,
and I'm sorry against to Oklahoma and the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Run defensive Swiss cheese though. So So before we get
out of here, Ralph.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Who are you picking Washington?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Give me a score.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I like Washington thirty four to twenty eight, a six
point win. Uh My guy Grady Gross hit a couple
of few goals to make the make the difference. You know,
I got a root for the roster that's literally full
of Arizona kids. We got to end this podcast the
same way that that I started, just me being a
massive homer thirty one.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I either want to go thirty one twenty or thirty
one twenty four. Huskies.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
You look so sad. Who's your who's your player of
the game. Who's your player of the game?
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Roman, He's the best player on the team.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, yeah, he really is. It'll be interesting man, that
this is. There are so many players on this Washington
team that have been on the team for a really
long time. I don't think Dylan Johnson makes an impact
in this game. I think he's hurt, hurt, yep, And
I think that they they probably just were hiding it.
But they they got running backs. I mean, they have
other running backs on this team that just really haven't
(09:19):
given them an opportunity this year. So maybe we see
a name that that you're not really expecting. I mean,
who do they got? They got They got Sam Adams
a second, they got Daniel and Gotta. They got Richard Taylor,
who's been on the team for five six years now.
You know, hopefully one of them can pick up the
slack because Dylan Johnson is a big piece of the
(09:39):
success that they had this year. But I'll go Michael
Pennix and yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm all in
on Washington. We'll see if we're right. We'll see if
the if the Pac twelve experiment ends with a championship,
don't cry and.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
My arm and I'll leave as this what did what
phrase did I back and say from the beginning of
this podcast, back to pack, back to pack. Now I'm
sitting here Pack twelve exploded. I'm like, I get I
(10:18):
get why people said that I'm not back in the
pack even though the pack is gonna win.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Is this a five hundred thousand dollars check for Oregon?
If Washington wins? Or do or do the Beavers and
the Koogs control the playoff money? That's what I want
to know.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That is a good question. We'll answer that on the
next episode, peace Out
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