Pac-12 is Back, Upset Alert, Cam Rising Scam, Colorado Trolls, Week 3

On this week's episode of the College Football Apostles, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden get into this week's best (and strangest) headlines, and make their picks for six of this weekend's top games. 
First, George Wrighster gets fooled by a fake Cam Rising injury update, and the guys reflect on their days of covering Utah in the old Pac-12, and their history of being aloof about injury updates. 
Next, Shilo Sanders talked trash and got smashed- what do George and Ralph think about all the bravado and hype music now that Colorado is already looking like a mediocre Big 12 team?
Other stories include a very strange ACC coin, a Purdue student getting screwed out of a car lease after making a 40-yard field goal, USC retiring Caleb Williams jersey in the same press release where they announced Reggie Bush getting the same honor, Braylon Edwards and three other players suing the Big Ten and NCAA, and George's problem with Thomas Hammock publicly stating that he's helping Marcus Freeman after NIU beat Notre Dame. 
In this week's picks, we go over Alabama at Wisconsin, Notre Dame at Purdue, Georgia at Kentucky, Ole Miss at Wake Forest, and Oregon at Oregon State.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amson, and this is the
College Football Apostles presented by the Unaffraid Show. We got
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(00:23):
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(00:43):
want to start today with I got got. I got got, Ralph,
I got got by a reporter and I dude, I
I pride myself on when I immediately see something on T
I do not react immediately. I go to that account

(01:04):
and make sure it's not like Adam Schefter spelled incorrectly,
Pete demo, that is not you know what I mean,
like something close. I might intentionally do that. So I
do not get got, and I laugh when other people
got got, when I got got today over a Cam

(01:24):
Rising tweet and the dude said that Cam Rising is
going to be out six to eight weeks with a
lacerated hand, and how believable does that sound? First of all,
and it was a reputable reporter who I su because
I didn't follow the account, And then I went to
the Guys by so it was a reputable account that

(01:45):
quote tweeted it, which put it in my feed. So
then I went to the original guys feed and it
was like reporter at some station, and I was like, oh, okay,
and then I briefly did a quick scan of his account.
Looked like a legit account, so I quote tweeted it
and said, damn, Cam Rising can't catch a break, blah
blah blah. Oh. And then in his tweet he also

(02:07):
said that they're prepared preparing to apply for a medical
red shirt again, and I was like, damn, this kid
can't catch him break. I'm feeling bad about myself. And
then all of a sudden, I look back, like ten
minutes later on my Twitter, Rob Latall is hitting me. Everybody,
it's a fake. It's a fake. I'm like, they got you, boy, man,

(02:32):
they got me. So and then I saw the tweet
from Brett McMurphy and he said that Cam Rising, Utah quarterback,
that he's only going to be out, that he's gonna
be out this week, but he's expected to play next week.
And then I thought, I don't believe you. I don't
believe you, you Tah, because you talk lied about him

(02:55):
being hurt all last year and oh, he'll be back
next week. He was warming up in pregame and and man,
the dude miss literally the entire year route. So I
will be happy they get when the SEC puts out
uh well yeah, this season, they're putting out injury reports.

(03:19):
I cannot wait for all the college football to adopt this.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
That was the funniest part about you getting got is like,
and we know this from four years of the Pactobal
Apostles podcast. You taught notorious liars, just just absolute liars.
Like they put Cam Rising in such a bad position
last year, acting like he could come back at any time.

(03:43):
Then you find out he's got like the Sean Livingston
every ligament in my body tour injury.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
What are we talking about him being probable to play
cal or something like that?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
He was liar, He was probable to walk up the stairs.
He was probable to do some legitimate rehab.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, probable to get rejected for insurance later in life.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Like he's not.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
So like the fact that anybody would have had the
scoop is very funny to me. And I almost wonder,
because I almost wonder if Utah is like, all right,
this is out of hand. We gotta go to Brett
McMurphy and be like, hey, he might play next week.
And I'm wondering if was that the key to this
thing the entire time? Just lie next time a Utah
player gets hurt. If if if Dorian Singer stubs his toe,

(04:35):
you gotta tweet that he's out for the season.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Just do it and just say so.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
They will get a legitimate answer. Wait, we gotta wait
till next next week, because if cam Rising doesn't play
next week, Brett McMurphy's gonna be pissed, bro. And then yeah,
then we go get some real and then there's gonna
be no more protecting Utah. It's gonna be like, okay, cool,
I'm smashing the b You're.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Gonna see Brett McMurphy hit retweet on the like Morgan
Scaley said the N word stories.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
So and this is clearly coming from the top with
with Kyle Whittingham. Dude that I like a lot, But
every everybody's got their flaws, baby, and this is his
fatal flaw. This is his this is his toxic trait.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I just I do I do want to. I would
love to be at Morgan Scalley's introductory press conference perhaps
but this offseason when they're introducing him as the next
head coach of Utah. I would love to just beat
And I'm not gonna get invited now because I say
this out loud, but I would like to just raise
my hand and be like, excuse me, sir, do you
plan on lying like your old boss? Are you also

(05:44):
gonna be a liar when it comes to injuries? And
just yes or no situation? Because yeah, and I get
I get like when you're in college and you're like, hey,
it's none of your business.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
But the whole thing of like week to week, Utah
wanted to make sure people were preparing for if Cam
Rising was gonna have a Willis Read moment. Yeah, and
then Cam Rising had to answer some questions because he's
got ni ol money, He's got sponsors, and you can't
tell the sponsors. You can't tell the sponsors the truth
because they're gonna leak it or the money's not gonna

(06:23):
come in. So now you're lying to corporate sponsors for
a competitive and it starts to mess with the reputation
the player and the money. So I feel bad for
cam rising it to even be in this situation again,
he can't control it. I don't think he's an injury
prone guy. That one don't clip that because he is

(06:43):
injury prone obviously, but I don't think it's like running
into the running into the sideline and breaking a finger.
That's not like a thing where where Bro?

Speaker 1 (06:54):
He just okay? So the forty eight Laws of Power,
the book says don't hang out with people with bad luck.
So don't hang out with care right, you might get
hurt too. Speaking of getting hurt though, Shiloh Sanders, Dion Sanders' son,
broke his arm in the Nebraska game. And there was
so much irony in this game because on one hand,

(07:22):
like at the coin toss, So there's a video of
him at the coin toss talking trash like like bro
were about to smash all ass blah, blah blah. In
the coin toss. What was that first drive? He's out
broken arm. He gets run over by dow Well, former
Oregon running back who's over at Nebraska. Now he made

(07:45):
he made the tackle, but he but he hurt his
arm in the in the process. Might do He did
not lay on the ground, none of that got up,
walked himself off the field and everything. You didn't. He
wasn't walking like a dude like with a broken arm.
It was like he was, you know. So he had
to have surgery for it. And then after the game,
the Nebraska folks were dancing to shadure standers perfect timing.

(08:14):
Is this fair or foul? Ralph?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I mean you put you put it out there, you
put your song out there. I think it's fair. It's
just it feels like Colorado keeps setting itself up for
these things, Like there's a reason most teams don't do this.
You don't think every quarterback in the country wants to

(08:39):
put a song out.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Like, of course they do.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Do you You don't think so, I don't mind the song.
It's just you can't like if you see it's fair
to me, especially the locker room thing, like yes, people
troll in the locker room all the time after wins.
But the thing is is that it's the excessive shit

(09:08):
talking really that that causes it. Because you can put
out your song and people yet are gonna do it,
but they're gonna be extra when you're bad. Like Colorado
is not a elite football team. In fact, we're not
even sure if they're a good football team right now.
So if you're not a good football team and it

(09:28):
seems and you're doing all this ancillary stuff, then yes,
people are going to control you.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, it's like they're following MMA rules like it. Connor
McGregor's three and five in his last eight professional fights.
But the talking makes him money, you know, so maybe
there's some of that philosophy there. But Caleb Williams did this.
He put f utah on his nails and then they
ran through his face. That's the it's there's a reason
that it's not encouraged by most coaches, Like bulletin board

(10:00):
materials not encouraged by both coaches. And the interesting thing
is Utah or Colorado is always hyper aware enough to
anytime somebody else gives them bullet bulletin board material, they're like, oh,
you messed up. So this week Colorado states, Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
They've given out all they are Colorado State, between Tory Horton,
their wide receiver and their quarterback.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
The hype you know, I know his name because he's hyphenated, Yes,
because we know Ralph loves all hyphenated players.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
So is that they have been They have been like Colorado,
Like they're beyond Colorado level trash talk.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
And they're doing it with like the calm face and
calm demeanor. That's what makes the trash talk so funny.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
They're like, we should.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Haven and a half. I picked them plus seven and
a half this this week, and all this trash talk
makes me want to riscind that I don't feel good
about it at all, Like you're literally doing what Colorado does.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
But if we can go back to Shiloh Sanders for
a second, because Number one, I wish I knew who
sent it. It's the funniest tweet I've seen all year
that somebody's basically said, like, we're gonna have to do
a D, A and a check on Shiloh because he's
not that good in coverage and he keeps blowing people up.
It's the most anti deon Sanders thing ever. But so
you talked about Dante Daldell, Right, So Shiloh Sanders goes

(11:28):
out in the coin toss and he's like, we're gonna
roll your ass. And then Dante Daladell breaks a run
like second play of the game. He all he has
to do is pivot right or left and he scores
a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
That's it, that's it. He was used.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, so then he said I saw Shiloh and I
wanted to punish him. He broke that man's arm. Dante
Daldell broke that man's arm instead of.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Scoring a touch call the police on the Dante, Well,
that's assault. That is premeditated. That is premeditated. Sorry, Dante,
you gotta go to prison.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
So I don't know. I like this Colorado team. They're entertaining.
I'm gonna watch every single one of their games. I'm
certainly not gonna root for Colorado State now that they're
running away from Wyoming to join a fake new conference.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Oh but yes, okay, okay. So the last thing on this,
this situation is the perfect time is so there was
another report that came out this week that Dion Sanders
made sure that the band does not play after Shador

(12:38):
throws a touchdown, the way they can play perfect timing
on the PA.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
I hate I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
You hate it. I don't mind it, see it, Okay,
I hate it because they're not winning at the level
because okay, because now it makes me feel like the
And granted, I don't mind it because it's marketing, it's smart,
it's all of those things. But also I hate it
because when you're not winning, your offensive line ain't right,

(13:09):
your defense ain't right. It feels like you're worried about
all the wrong things. That's why I hate it. So
like if they were you know, if they have went
eight and four last year and were projecting to be
a ten win team, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
But but it is though they have so many other problems. Yeah,
they have a walk up song for their kicker, though,
like I love that.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Did you love the damn kicks? Did you see the kicks?
He don't need no walk up song, you know, walk
up song with them kicks.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I think it's crazy they all got blocked.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I thought they all got blocked the way that they
came off his foot.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I just I'm I'm not gonna hate on It's like
I think we just hate different things about this Colorado team.
But all the fun, all the fun is cool as
long as the band still gets to play. And it
sounds like the band still gets to play. But you
invite what you you create the situation where Nebraska's dance
into his song in the locker room. I sent you
that tweet this week where they said that ty Robinson

(14:21):
has that whole team tweeting Bible versus with the way
his pass rush went against Shduur like it.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I think all the attention is is awesome. I want
them to be good enough to stay relevant and not
fall off like last year. This is our last little
bit with Shadure. But I will say that, like I do,
I do want Tory Horton to show up. He had
sixteen catches in last year's game. I want to see
him do it again.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah. Well, I mean they were a lot on unders
and drags, So I mean, if Colorado allows him to
run all them unders again and catch that many balls,
they deserve whatever they get. But now the other thing
is is yeah, the the other thing is, oh is

(15:14):
the Pac two? Lord have mercy? I was I was
traveling yesterday. I couldn't pay attention, bro And all of
a sudden last night, I'm on the Twitter machine and
I'm like, wait, what what did I miss all day
that the Pack two is? So I knew something was

(15:35):
up last week when when the news broke that the
PAC two was not re signing with the Mountain West,
all of this stuff, and then there was talks about
them in the Big twelve, them in the ACC there
was some noise about that, and I knew that they

(15:57):
did not re sign with a scheduling agreement with the
mount West for a very specific reason, Like I knew
that they just didn't just let the date pass, and no,
I knew it was something very intentional. But when we
find out that four schools, mind you, San Diego State
tried to go to the PAC twelve once and then
pulled out Fresno State, Colorado State, and who's the fourth Bois, Yes,

(16:28):
Boise so and Boise Boise, Fresno State are Atal State
are very familiar playing the old PAC twelve teams. Yeah,
some people keep asking why did they do this? This
feels obvious to me because obviously the PAC twelve is

(16:52):
trying to backfill its teams, but they also believe if
you're a Mount West school and you're making two wouldna
have million dollars in uh TV revenue money. Now you
believe that that will increase, and you can put it
like this is your way to backdoor into power five

(17:13):
territory because they they've already talked about it like it's
already been changed to power four now. But adding more
group of five teams is not going to allow you
to jump to power five level, right, no matter what comment,
like if the SEC teams left and then you backfill

(17:35):
it with G five teams, that that's not gonna automatical
it a power five school. But check this out, I
got I did so. Apparently the people who are now
in charge of the PACK two are smarter than the
last two people who were in charge of the PAC twelve. Okay,
because they've already gotten people to join, they've gotten people
to buy in, which the last two commissioners, well, the

(17:58):
last commissioner, George Kliakov couldn't get people to fully buy in,
and the previous commissioner, Larry Michael Scott was incompetent. So
there the acc implosion is happening. That's what I believe
it is happening, and then you're gonna have you know,

(18:18):
the Florida States, the Clemsons of the world, the Virginia's,
they're gonna find North Carolina. They're gonna find homes very quickly.
There's gonna be some Washington states and some Oregon states
left out of like Wake Forest, and I mean even Virginia. Nah,

(18:39):
you know, the the rest of the Louisville maybe the
rest of the ACC who doesn't necessarily have a big
time you know, not not even just fan base, but
just marketable and all of those things. They need somewhere
to go. Ralph and the PAC two is gonna be
PAC twelve's gonna be like, come on, baby, come on
out out here. They still need at least two more teams.

(19:02):
So let's say they get six up out of the
ACC between this year and next year. Now you got
at least eight Power five schools in the conference in
a twelve team conference. Now it's not gonna look as powerful,
but they can go to the table then and be like,

(19:24):
we power five, we need a college football playoff spot.
So now when it expands to fourteen, slide on in there.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
You're talking to me like you're trying to sell me
an extended warranty.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'm not playing it.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I don't understand our warranty. It's almost up. I just
it sounds smooth the way you're saying it. But I don't.
I don't see how the SEC or Big ten is
gonna look at a PAC twelve spearheaded by Syracuse versus

(20:13):
Fresno State and say, yeah, you guys, you guys belong
unless it will stay a power for you, saying the
ACC is like Dunzo Dunzo.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
But I I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I just what didn't make sense to me is that
the Mountain West didn't just negotiate to bring those two
teams in and become the West Coast Conference. I don't
I don't understand why they're trying to break out.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
They're trying to keep Power five status ralph and the
only way to do that so you add Boise, who
is competitive and they put a lot of guys in
the NFL. Right, you're adding Fresno State, who puts guys
in the NFL and is highly competitive too. And then

(21:03):
if you can add those ACC teams and maybe like
UTSA and Memphis, Memphis is gonna jump at the opportunity
to get out of the American and potentially get into
the P five.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I just want Colorado State to know that this was
a market choice, that don't actually care about you. You're
not good. You're not good at basketball, You're not good
at football.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Is this a wyoming thing, like like creeping out?

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, yes, yes, Well I mean maybe I'm missing something,
But what what is the issue?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Colorado State sucks at all the sports and what did
they do to earn.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Why do you hate Colorado State so much?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Well, I don't hate Colorado State so much. My got
family that went there and my best friends of Colorado
State graduate. I went and visited the campus on my
own time for vacation. Four Collins is a beautiful city.
They objectively suck. Fresno State has been good. You know
how you said, boys State's good. They put a lot
of guys in the NFL. Fresno State's good. They put

(22:15):
a lot of guys in the NFL. And then you
stopped talking. Remember how that happened? Just now, it was
like five seconds ago. I'm just finishing your sentence. Colorado
State has done nothing as an institution to earn this.
It's the market. It's the market. That they're after. It's
a business.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
You get lucky, man. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes you
get to ride other people's coattails.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
It's not gonna feel like luck when Oregon States up
sixty seven to nothing in the first half. It's not
gonna feel like luck at that point. It's gonna feel like, Oh,
I should have maybe stayed where I could go five
and seven.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Wow, guns a blazing.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
It's true I didn't like you.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
This is how I felt when the Pac twelve broke up,
when when rivalry and we got the Apple Cup this week,
we got the game formerly known as the Civil War
this week. All because we're trying to preserve things that
happened in a conference. The border war is important, and
Colorado State has beating Wyoming as much as Wyoming is beaten.
Colorado State running away to a new conference over some

(23:27):
money for athletics. They'll probably keep the border war going.
But my issue is now you have a school with
even more resources that didn't do anything to be part
of that. I have an issue with Fresno State. I
don't an issue with Boise State. I was arguing for
San Diego State and Boisse State to be part of
the PAC twelve to save the PAC twelve.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
That wasn't that. They weren't going to be able to
save the PAC twelve. Bro, they weren't.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
You know the do you watch Multiplicity with Michael Keaton? Yep,
where they eventually they just make a copy of a
copy and it drags the whole situation down. Yes, that's
Colorado State. What is Colorado State?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Get copy?

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Copy?

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Like, you gotta keep copying the original because when you
keep you're being the copy it it gets fuzzy, it's
not as clear and weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Did they say like, we we're gonna be a power conference,
so we need our Vanderbilt? Is that what they're trying
to do here? I just don't understand. And I'm not
saying that I want Wyoming to go instead, I want
the Mountain West to stay intact. On the Mountain West FN.
This is my two favorite conferences breaking up in back
to back years. This sucks so much, But I would
have taken breaking up the Mountain West to save the

(24:40):
PAC twelve.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
It couldn't save the PAC twelve. They they needed to
if George is in Oklahoma, they needed a time machine.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah all right, Well this isn't gonna work. And now
I sound like a grouch, but it's I don't get off.
You see the VISI and you see the vision, you
see a bi coastal conference. I just see the Mountain
West suffering for no reason.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah. Okay, So speaking of that and conferences breaking up,
give us an update on this lawsuit and this big
ten lawsuit and Florida State are arguing for sovereign immunity
against the ACC.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
So there's two lawsuits going on right now. One is
a series of lawsuits of Florida State throwing absolutely everything
they can at the wall just to get out of
their ACC deal. I mean, it's just like you see
those old shows of like where lawyers just keep filing
motions just to file motions, just to muck things up.

(25:44):
Florida State has been doing that and the current argument
they've settled on. I'm not a legal mind and I'm
not a legal scholar, but sovereign immunity is currently what
Florida State is trying to pursue to void this deal
and essentially what it's and somebody with some more knowledge

(26:04):
of law please please reach out to us. I'm mad
at Unafraid show dot com. We'll read this on the show.
But from my understanding, sovereign immunity is what would legally
in pre America at times in a monarchy give the
king the right to do whatever he wants, which means

(26:26):
if king breaks a contract, that's fine because he's the king. Right,
this is America, don't We don't have a king. We
laughed at Richard Nixon when he said it's not illegal
when a president does it. Right, like sovereign immunity, the

(26:47):
idea that Florida State can get out of any contract
because they're their own sovereign being wouldn't nullify any and
all contracts.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, I don't know if they're gonna win. They win
that when that's gonna throw a monkey wrench in everything
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
The selfish kid's prayer from the from the where the
sidewalk ends the now, I leave me down to sleep,
I pray the Lord my soul's keep, and if I
die before I wake, I pray the Lord my toys
to break so.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
None of the other kids can play with them.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
They said, like, we're going to get out of this
contract with some premaan nocta year twelve hundred stuff, and
then everyone's going to be to get out of their
contract just so we.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Can get the care. They do.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Not.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
All they want is out. They don't care what they
break along the way.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
That is true.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
And so this Big ten lawsuit, I'm interested because these
are these feel like your peers wondering if you're planning
on filing any lawsuits that you can cut me in on.
Four prominent former Michigan football players have filed a class
action loss suit against and the Big Ten network, seeking
a payment of fifty dollars for the wrongful continued use

(28:08):
of their name, image, and likeness on television. We're talking
about Brayln Edwards, We're talking about Denard Robinson, Michael Martin,
and Sean Crable. Seventy three page lawsuit going after the
Big Ten and the nc DOUBLEA saying you cannot continue
to market us without paying us. What could be the

(28:31):
long reaching consequences of this lawsuit? Could the NCUBA lose
the right to using anybody's lawsuit or anybody's likeness to
to promote college football?

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah? I do think that this is a like, I'm
a for the players kind of guy, right, Yeah, And
I do understand that rules have changed recently and that

(29:05):
that feels uncomfortable to older players who are like yo, like,
that's taking advantage of me and I'm not there. So
I want to be careful how I phrased this, because
there does need to be some sort of resolution to

(29:26):
using somebody's name, image, and likeness to to promote things.
But I do think that there is a level of
fair use, right, Yes, that the school because you played there,
should have fair use of like the imagery from when

(29:49):
you're playing in the game, right, But using your image
on like a advertisement, like something that they were paid for,
is not the same thing as putting out a social
media video or even a billboard that has you in it.
I think that there's a big difference between those two things.

(30:13):
That I that if Coca Cola pays Oregon, and Oregon
puts of a video, oh well actually, and they put
a picture of George Reich like this is specifically George Reister,
not George Reister catching a ball in the middle of
a game, and we're all celebrated, like you know what

(30:33):
I mean. I think that that's different than using a
specific person's name, image and likeness to two for your
financial game. Yeah that that like in game stuff, video
all of that stuff. I think it's fair use. Whereas

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whereas you know, just them put up a picture of
USC using Reggie Bush and his Heisman trophy when is
as part of something that they're getting paid for.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
That's not cool, man. That makes me want to deviate
from the subject real quick. Would you have retired Caleb
williams jersey and Reggie Bush's jersey in the same press
release as USC just did, or would you maybe have
waited a year on Caleb?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Okay, so I wouldn't have done it in the same
press release because I would have wanted to give them
their own moment, right, I might have done it in
the same season. But here's a piece of breaking news here,
breaking news here in the unafraided RUW the god football
of Posi. USC was trying to retire Caleb williams jersey

(31:55):
last year while he was still playing, because they put
all the Heisman Trophy winners in the stadium with their
jersey retire Okay, so they wanted to retire his jersey
last year. Caleb Williams said, no, interesting, But do you know.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Why because they already did you think, because they already
weren't using pads in practice and he didn't want to
lose his shirt too.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
No, okay, just guessing.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
It is because last season, so they wanted to retire
it prior to the season. Last year, his attempt was
to do what last year, to go back to back
win a second Heisman Trophy, right, yeah, so he wanted
to So his thing was, don't retire it now. If

(32:54):
I win again, then retire it and make it a
different color than everybody else's.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Wild. That's wild. I don't don't.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I'm not mad at it, like like like you you know,
I will criticize Caleb or critic like for you know,
for the crime in the stands any so this, But
I'm not mad at the fact that he was like,
if I win a second one, yes you should, it
should be a different color because I am now above
O J and Matt Lionard and and and Carson Palmer

(33:29):
and Reggie Bush and and uh Marcus Allen and Charles
White and everybody else. I am above them because I
got not one but two, and yes he should be
gold while everybody else's was was cardinal or what.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
We find the reason he's crying after the game is
because his plan was ruined.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
You know what, watching Gold Jersey.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Watching Caleb on Hard Knocks, it made it really clear
that some of the stuff that he says is just spitballing,
like you're in a pitch room.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
There are no bad ideas.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Because he's sitting on the floor talking to I don't
know if it's Matt Eberflus or the OC and he
was like, if they put flag football in the Olympics,
I'm playing, and I'm like sitting in my living room.
I'm like, no, you're not. You can't just do whatever
you want. And that's what he was saying. He's like,
I'm you know, I'm I'm this is my idea. And
to watch him express that idea, it was like, oh,

(34:30):
maybe some of the stuff that's been attributed to him
was just stuff he said out loud, not even.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Necessarily like like like what let's see what happens. Yeah,
like there are no bad idea work it happens. They say, no,
I'm callup the majority of things that what happened. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
He talks like a like a mister beast or something like, well,
what if we fill the twenty seven thousand gallon swimming
pool with jello and put one hundred thousand dollars at
the bottom of it. Like, that doesn't mean that that's
gonna happen if you have the means to do it.
Some of those ideas are just gonna happen. But people
have bad ideas every single day.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
So I don't I feel like what has ended up
on a cutting room floor of mister Beast.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Oh for sure, and it's probably all for different legal reasons.
But like I just I don't know. I think Caleb
Williams is maybe just an idea guy and he doesn't
have a lot of people in his life to be
like no, no, no, we're not doing that. But now
that you're in the NFL, it kind of has to
go that way. But you so this lossit back to
the Big ten lawsuit. Do you think it has any
standing and do you think it would have far reaching

(35:35):
effects for the way that people use legends of the
likeness of the legends of the past.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yes, dude, this this will open up Pandora's box, Buddy.
Pandora's box is going to be open in a way
that we have never seen that, like the ends, if
they win this, it is going and they actually win
money as opposed who change. It's gonna create a like.

(36:06):
I don't know how the NC double A or like
goes forward. And I'm not talking about justin football, because
we've already said that football needs to break away and
be its own thing. But I don't know how it continues.
I don't know how amateur athletics continues with Yeah, with
the big bit, because then if they win, you're gonna

(36:28):
have all sorts. You're gonna have players, families, Archie Griffin's family,
and everybody else coming like, hey, yo, where's our money fam?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, I would say this. I think I'm a little
confused by suing the conference. I'm pretty much pro anybody
suing the NC double A for any reason, even if
there is no standing at all. Make their life hard,
that's fine. I learned this last week about some of

(37:00):
the stuff the NC DOUBLEA did the Mississippi State over
the years. Oh my god, dude, like, just reinforce that
this is an evil organization. So in the nineteen seventies,
they had nineteen wins stripped because they had a player
get a twenty percent discount on some clothing at at

(37:20):
a at a store on campus.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
No, and I absolutely believe the NCUBLEA did this, But
because he got a twenty percent discount.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Discount, so and get ready for the twist. So at
that time, you were allowed to file an appeal and
then take the gamble of playing that player if you
thought you were going to win the appeal. So that
next year they played that player that they had all
that had the previous years win stripped. So they're in
an appeal situation and the owner of the store is

(37:54):
just like, hey, just call me to testify. This was
available to every student. It wasn't special for athletes. There's
bill to every single student. Just call me to testify.
The NC DOUBLEA would not listen to the store owner,
would never called him to testify. The appeal got denied.
What they had already played that full second season, which
was like a nine win team, they took away all

(38:15):
nine wins in the future, so they cost them a
prior season and a future season over a twenty percent
discount that the store owner says belonged to everybody. Then
in the nineties, Mississippi State fired a coach over some

(38:36):
improper benefit type thing, and that coach spent fifteen years
fighting the NC DOUBLEA over that, only to have the
NC DOUBLEA end up reaching a settlement with him and
paying him after besmirching his name and costing him his career.
So like some of the stuff that they'd have done
to Mississippi State over the years, crazy stuff I didn't
even know about it. And and I just so any

(39:00):
thing bad that happens to nc DOUBA as an organization
is at this point fine. And I'm gonna be honest.
I got a couple of friends that work for the
nc DOUBLEA, and I apologize to them. They're talented people,
they could work anywhere. But I'm perfectly fine with the
NCUBA just being tied up in legal red tape after
they spend one hundred million dollars to fight anil did

(39:22):
nothing to set up unifying rules and set us into
the path that we're in right now that has old
people blaming the culture and running away from college football
completely giving up the sport because the NCUBA wasn't a
leader on this issue. It has them blaming the schools
and the players calling them greedy. No one ever had

(39:43):
a problem with the nc Doublea's enormous growth as an organization.
Nobody ever had a problem with administrators and coaches exponentially
increasing their salary seven x seven x over the twenty
years from nineteen ninety seven to twenty seventeen, nobody ever
had a problem with that. But the second that a
player is allowed to endorse Bojangles, then we have an issue.

(40:03):
So I death to the NCAA. As far as I'm concerned,
I didn't used to be in that camp. I used
to be all about like, well, it's case by case,
it's moderation. But at this point, Braylan Edwards, good luck, buddy,
take him down?

Speaker 1 (40:17):
All right? How about this company? How about this company?
Do they deserve to be taken down? Because you brought
up a story to me that I had not heard about.
And this is from Perdue, So Perdue. So there was
this kid named Zachary Spangler and he won the Kicks
for Cash competition during the Perdue Boilermakers season opener against

(40:41):
Indiana State by successfully kicking a twenty thirty and forty
yard field goal. He won a two year lease on
a car. However, the sponsoring dealership, Roormand Automotive revoked his
prize after it claimed that kick forty yard field goal

(41:03):
five to one hundreds of a second later than the
time limit. After reviewing the footage five to one hundreds.
That's not even a tenth of a second, because five
tenths of a second is half a second five to
one hundreds of a second from when his foot impacted
the ball. Like that's less time than what like, well,

(41:24):
that's about what noahen Lyles won the Olympics by. And
we're talking about like a kick that means the ball
has to deflate and reflate and get off his foot
and everything. This is nasty work. I would never buy
a car from these people never. I hope that every

(41:45):
single person who saw that and now knows that they
called it back on this two year lease. I hope
they go out of business. I hope nothing but the
bad things happen for this company, not just the people
who not the people who work there who are innocent,
and they're gonna be innocent victims of this. Do the

(42:07):
right thing and you can take this hex up off you.
You do not get good things in life, like just
ridiculously being evil, like this is evil and they're like, oh,
oh my god, it's just like then we see a
half court shot thing where the guy had like a

(42:29):
like his foot took off behind the line, but he
released it right in front of the line. They were like,
if we look at it from this angle, His arm was,
it's everybody knows, this's where your foot releases the I
mean where your foot goes. In the NBA, it's a
three pointer if you if you take off from behind
the three point line and you are Giannis and you

(42:52):
can lay the ball up, it's still three points. This
is this is ridiculously tiki tak. This is it was
a marketing play to begin with. You had to be
okay with paying it out. It's not a million dollars,
stop it. This is this is gross, This is nasty.

(43:15):
They need to get they need to be shamed for
this rom And just so everybody knows, so y'all can
spell it so you can google it. It is and
Trey roormand r O h R m A N I
hope I pronounced that right. The director of operations for
Bob Roorman Honda notified Spangler that he would not be

(43:37):
receiving the two year lisa in an email. In an email,
freaking email. Them didn't even pick up the damn phone. Like, first, yes,
I know for legal reasons, you may have to email too,
but pick up the damn phone, and the email included
four different angles showing him kicking with a timer at
the bottom of the screen, and it said the clips

(44:00):
showed the place the holder placing the ball with one
point five seconds remaining, and then him connecting with the
kick as it as it closed in on zero. And
then the dude replied, listen, I got a car here
that runs just fine. I'm just more upset about how
I hit the forty yarder and I'm and they're saying

(44:20):
I didn't because it came off my foot five hundreds
of a second late. Oh, Ralph, you know how timers
and sync ups work. It don't matter. I am. I
am finding the best lawyer available. And they're going down
like like, so.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
You got people, you got people involved in car dealerships
and stuff, right that, Like what does a two year
least at cost even cost a car dealership.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
For for a Honda. So like let's say it's like
a Honda, a Chord or something one of them three yeah,
from one of them, like three forty nine, three ninety nine,
four four fifty lease specials. So now we got and
that's at cost. I'm sorry, that's the retail value of it.

(45:08):
Let's say it's four hundred and fifty bucks on the
max times twenty four, that's ten eight hundred bucks.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
When what they could have done is they could have
brought that kid in, did a commercial like you know,
kick you into Spring Savings or something like that, and
call it even.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yes, yes you come, listen, listen, bro, it's a little
bit passed. But here's what we do. If you come
film this commercial for us, you know, take this lease.
It's good marketing for everybody.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Right, and and like here's here's the other thing. So
the thing you brought up the ball State, a ball
State student's ten thousand dollars half court shot was avoided,
so it was an arena worker he hit the shot.
A staff member in formed of me he had crossed

(46:07):
the land on the shot, penning a review he may
not receive the money at all. Started a whirlwind couple
of weeks that kind of like brought up all the
issues of the third party paid stuff, the fact that
these prize money things are insured.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
And what ultimately happened is.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
They like I think they ended up ball State ended
up like meeting them halfway and giving him the prize.
And they gave the guy the ten thousand dollars. But
there had to be public pressure first, obviously, because these
insurance companies that are ensure the prizes that you know,

(46:53):
they're the ones that didn't want to pay it out.
This is the car dealership directly.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Shame, shame, shame, all right. Speaking of some more shame,
this is something else that you brought to my attention.
How do you find all of these things on the interweb?
So there was an acc coin that was because who

(47:21):
was it that tweeted it out?

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Let me see if I can find that for you.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
It was.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Okay, So Eric wood E wood seventy says a buddy's
son got this coin after the coin toss at the
Louisville football game Saturday from the head referee. I'm not
sure I agree with the tails image. And if you
ever like, I've met a few refs, packed twelve refs
stuff like that, they have some of these coins they
just carry around in their pockets.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
So here is the coin. On the front end, nice helmet,
old school football helmet, Atlantic Coast Conference. It looks like
an old, antiquated coin, like something that you would get.
Nothing fancy or detailed at all on the front end.
Now on the back end, it is the.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Player on his back legs up the I think the
coin's upside down. I think it's supposed to be a
center hiking the ball. I think the coin in the
photo is upside down.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Well, it doesn't look like that because of the gold
post in the cootos. Let me flip this over on
my on my computer because I don't know about it.
I don't know about this Ralph. Let me rotate left,

(48:51):
rotate left. Okay, let's save that image there and now
let's put this one here. Okay, this guy? Is that better?
Is that better?

Speaker 2 (49:04):
No, it's not better. It looks like a Shannon Sharp
Challenge coin.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
But like it's.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
But but but why the detail on the butt crack?
Like that's like you you see so many muscles on
the leg, Like, why the detail on the butt crack?
This is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
You didn't know the ACC stood for as Coast Conference
or ass Crack Conference.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Changed their name to the Taint.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
The mentors and the coin makers out there heads and tails.
You don't have to be literal on this. It could
be anything on the tails end of a coin. You
could just write the word tails.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
I just want to know who looked at that coin
and was like, yeah, that's it right there. Yeah yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Whoever looked at that coin and said, yeah, this is
is it right there?

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Licked their lips afterward. I'm trying to see what that
be like.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I'm trying to see what that be like. All right,
all right, now it is time for serious business people,
serious business, because we got to oh no, no, no, sorry,
we got one more thing. So Thomas Hammock, head coach

(50:30):
of n i U, he went into Notre Dame stadium
beat Marcus Freeman, got got Notre Dame people of hogan
and spraying up on the wall and I you know
what they want to say from now on, and so

(50:51):
so they're they're hot at Marcus Freeman. This is third,
not his first, not a second, but it's third unranked
non conference loss at home when Brian Kelly was on
a forty game winning streak. So he's lost to Stanford
who was three and nine Marshall and now this NIU game.

(51:12):
And then then to make it even worse, this what
what Hammock did, just it made the loss worse because
he obviously he got a lot of media attention. He's
a running back coach made a head coach that don't

(51:33):
happen very often, and then everything goes well, and then
he throws Marcus Freeman under the bus because dude, no, dude,
this is he It may have been unintentional, but this
was terrible. This is a terrible look for Marcus Freeman.
And what happened is Marcus Hammock said, what Ralph?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
So, according to you Pardon My Take podcast with Dan
Katz and PFT commentator, Thomas Hammock offered to tell Marcus
Freeman what the keys to be the Notre Dame were,
and then the two actually did talk, and what Thomas
Hammick said is like, I want that man to succeed,
so of course I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna have this

(52:20):
conversation with him, help him out.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
And I was like, oh, that's so wholesome. And I
showed you the story and you were like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Don't say that out loud, no, man, because now it
looks like Marcus Freeman is incompetent instead of smart. Because
truth is, Marcus Freeman is smart for asking him, like, yo, bro,
what did you see on film that you felt like
you could exploit because I need to know because our

(52:57):
office looks bad. Notre Dames deep is clearly good. They
shut down Texas and m they didn't allow God damn,
they didn't allow very much out of NIU either. So
their defense is doing a good job. It's their offense
that's a problem. So it's right for him to ask that.
But the the problem is is that don't say it

(53:20):
out loud, black man about another black You know how
hard it is for them to get a head coaching
job to begin with, and now that you don't have
these Notre Dame folks who already got their pitch folks
forks out talking about.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
He'll know what he's doing, all right, all right?

Speaker 2 (53:37):
I personally I thought it was like a wholesome, cool story.
And then again, I'm a high school football reporter.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
What do I know.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
My favorite thing in the world is when after the game,
everybody shakes hands in a line and one coach looks
at the other coach and says, thank you for making
us better today, win or loss, Like the whole point
was taking.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
That's so cute. Freaking Pollyanna.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Uh, it's not Pollyanna, It's not Pollyanna.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I get that there's tens of millions of dollars at
steak at the collegiate level. But at the end of
the day, not to quote the NC Double A, but
most of these kids are going pro and something other
than sports. These are tests. They're out there testing themselves.
The results are the results. And at the end of
the game, it's not your enemy. It's not your enemy, right,
I'm not calling him no more. But if you're NIU,

(54:27):
if you're NIU, what is your stake in wanting Notre
Dame beyond just wanting Marcus Freeman to be successful as
an individual? Why you want Notre Dame to go win out?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Oh? Because if you're NIU, why do you want and
now you get to make the college football playoffs.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
So this isn't even like it's not it's not even
just a matter of like, you know, I'm just out
there helping my brother.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
And then when you tell people like, why.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Does your brother need help? He's at Notre Dame like that,
he doesn't need to set people off. It's that if
NIU keeps winning, it's good for Notre Dame. And if
Notre Dame keeps winning, it's good for NIU. So you
should want Marcus Freeman to succeed if you are Thomas Hammock, period,
because right now n IU is one of like five
teams that probably has a legitimate shot with their with

(55:11):
their resume that if they run off eleven wins to
be the representative.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I don't want his help no more.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
I don't want it.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
I don't know. I don't know what else you're gonna
say to the media.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Because you know what, when when next year Thomas Hammock
is shaking the athletic director at Notre Dame's hand, like
accepting the job as as a coordinator or his head coach.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
So he ain't getting that fire. But but he might
be the o C next year, that's what he might be.
Damn well, shout out to Thomas Hammick.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
I just want to give give him a shout out
because you and I talked about this off air.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Running backs coaches.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
They don't get they don't get opportunities like that, they
really don't. And he was like a lifelong running backs coach,
like so many of these running backs coaches are. He's
with the Baltimore Ravens, he went to NIU, he gets
the head coaching job, and I just want to say,
like some of these running backs coaches that you have
pigeonholed into this job. They could run an offense, they
could run a team. They absolutely can do these things.

(56:14):
And it's cool to see Thomas Hammock representing for guys
like Sean Iguana who got an opportunity at ASU for
a minute, you know, or just people who are in
that role who deserve a shot, who deserve an opportunity
to do more than just coach that position.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Facts all right, now, we got to get into the
serious business. It's the money and the picks and being
right where are we at right now with our picks, Ralph,
because because of member just so you guys know, Unafraid
Show daily, well, Unafraid Show picks. I put them out
every single week. Right last year we were around seventy percent.

(56:54):
This year we're at fifty percent so far. Thanks Cam
Rising for getting hurt and thanks.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
Uh uh who else, oh Texas text team getting getting
hurt can't cover the over and then and then the
week before it was that stamper backdoor useless field goal.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
So we're dialed in. We are dialed in on the
on the picks. We just gotta stop letting stupid ish
happen at weird times.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
So you have you have two separate things going on
at the same time. You have your picks that you
put out from Unafraid Show, uh like subscribe share on YouTube,
and then we have our contest that that that is between.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
The two of us.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
So you're you're five and five in in your picks
in our contest. You started off two and three in
week one, I went four and one. But it was
I mean, it was a matter of a couple of
I'm not even trying to be nice. It was a
matter of just a couple of plays that that made
that whole thing happen. So here's the issue. I know

(58:02):
three of the games that we bet on last week,
I'm spacing two of them. We were both at one point,
we were both two and one because and I don't
want anybody to go back to last week's show and
clip it, please don't. I've never been more forceful about
anything in my life than Colorado covering against Nebraska. I was.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
All right, so oh oh, I.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Got them, Ralph, I got okay. So we I know,
at one point we're both two and one, and then
when that Colorado result happened. I just kind of sunk
into myself and stopped paying attention to all college football
because that was I was like, oh my god. I
was like, there is.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
No way, this is the most absolute I've ever been
on this show.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
So we had Okay, so I have the games that
I put on the thing. So the the one for
the picks where Michigan, Texas, Michigan, Iowa, Iowa State, Cal, Auburn, Tennessee,
North Carolina State, Nebraska, Colorado.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Right, okay, So so then then you went. You went
three and two in those games because you were on Tennessee. Yep,
you were on you were on Iowa mm hm, and
you were on Texas.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
And oh no, no, no, uh no, no no, I was
on Cal. Yeah. Yeah, So you didn't you.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Didn't take Auburn to cover the thirteen and a half.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
No, no thing. So I thought, I thought, no, no, I'm
pretty pretty sure I picked Cal.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
All right, we'll put that one under.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I think of the Iowa game though, I think.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
You actually, if I remember correctly, you said you wanted
to go with Iowa State and then you never made
a pick, so I wrote you down as Iowa State.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Oh nice, But I don't remember a good week. Then
I gave you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I gave you Iowa state on the technicality that you
never finished your sentence.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
I think I cut you off.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Oh perfect, See I love it. See you're good, good guy,
honorable guy, Ralph.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I'll give the total twet him out. I knew that
we were two and one, and the Colorado thing happened.
I went to a real dark place. But we both
had all right, So we did both have Tennessee though
I had, I for sure had cal. I know that
I haven't tweeted out the video to prove I was
smart to cover up for the Colorado stink. But we'll

(01:00:41):
I'll make sure we have the numbers right, but I
believe it's possible we both went four and one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Okay, cool, perfect, All right, Now let's go with this week.
Are you ready, Ralph?

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
I am?

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Are you ready? Because we have the games of the week,
and and we won't just go with all the games
that we're that we picked on the unaffraid y'all. So
Alabama Wisconsin, this is a game these teams have never
met in the same well, in in the non conference

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in Camp Randa, which is honestly one of the best
college football environments that there is. I got a chance
to play there, loved it, and we are going to
see if this Alabama team that got it going in
the second half against UCF is really that team or

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whether they are you know, or whether they're the team
that struggled for three quarters and Alabama is minus sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Who you taking Alabama roll time?

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I guess because is the one thing that would keep
Wisconsin in the game and covering this spread is the
one thing they have failed to do in the first
two weeks. They have not run the ball with any
authority at all. Yep, I'm a Twoey Walker fan. I
thought he was gonna be a great transfer in from Oklahoma,
but I think the issue is the holes they're opening up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
It's not enough.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
So I'm gonna go with Alabama just because I remember
the Kaylan de.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Bor road though Alabama is not going to road very
often like their Their non conference games are usually neutral
site games, so that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
This is the Kaelin de boor Alabama, and I remember
him in the Big Ten. He had Indiana looking like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
What's the what's that college your daughter went to?

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Lmu Oh yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Yet Indiana looking like LMU putting up Paul westead numbers. Yeah,
like he had them averaging over thirty income Conference Indiana.
So I just I think he understands the big ten.
I don't think he ever went headed ahead with Wisconsin.
But again, if this Wisconsin team can't run the ball,
I'm gonna go with Alabama. We have to get your

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pick on record. I can't cut you off like I
did last week.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
I want to take Alabama to pull away late. But
I'm gonna be a contrarian here. I think that that
Wisconsin's been holding something in the in the bag, and
that they're and that they're fans in the environment. If
they can jump up early and you know, go up seven,

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ten zero, then then we got a shot to keep
this thing close. Aside from that, Alabama could run away
with it. But I'm taking Wisconsin only because they're playing
in Camp Randall and that is a crazy environment and
it might cause Alabama to get off to a slow start. Okay,
all right, next game up, boy, oh boy. The team

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that we just talked about, we talked about their media
marketing people needing to be shamed for their third party
car dealership and Notre Dame. So you got Notre Dame
visiting per Due. Notre Dame's a nine and a half
point favorite. Perdue's only played one game so far this year,

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and they beat Indiana State forty nine to zero. And
Notre Dame's obviously one and one. NIU is the lost
Texas A and M is to win. So now they're
back on the road. They gotta be mad, but they're are.
But being mad don't fix bad offense.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Man, it's a it's a road game. You're still in Indiana. Gosh,
what is the history of Is is this a matchup
that takes place all the time?

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Kind of like Notre Dame USC.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Or Notre Dame plays Big ten teams and ACC teams
every year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Okay, here we are. It's fifty seven to twenty six.
This game got played last year, This game got played
three years ago. Notre Dame one by fourteen and Marcus
Freeman's first year, and then before that they went about
seven eight years without playing. So Notre Dame has won.

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It looks like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven
eight in a row, but two of those wins were
vacated pretty much every single one of them was Yeah,
I mean, I don't I don't see. I don't see
anything in Purdue that I'm looking at right now that

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I think they're going to compete with the big boys
this year. The Indiana State result can be so deceptive
because we talked about it on last week's show. You
asked me who I thought the most overrated team was
so far, and I was like, well, Mississippi State. They
dropped fifty against Eastern Kentucky, but they're not good. And
then at one point they were down thirty to three
at Arizona State. I feel the same way about Purdue.
Give me the fighting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Irish Riley Leonard has not thrown a single touchdown through
two games, and he's rushed for one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
He's about to get the JJ McCartney or McCarthy treatment
from you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Is he this man does not throw touchdowns?

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Yeah, but he's thrown two picks.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Okay, I and I think he's hurt too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Listen, they might need to roll somebody else out there.
I don't know what it is. He has not been good, like,
maybe it's because he's hurt something else. Notre Dame on
the road. I'm god, I'm hoping against hope against the

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against a.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
George.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
You're forgetting Thomas Hammock talked to Marcus Freeman this week,
so it's all gonna be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, everything's better than now, all right.
So okay, may that made me feel better? Not really,
but Notre Dame min is not in half?

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Okay at all?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Okay ooh, I got one for you here. This is
a tricky one because this team is ranked number five
in the nation in Ole Miss, and they have won
a combined one hundred and twenty eight to three over
their first two weeks against FCS Firman and then Middle

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Tennessee State. And they're playing wake Forest, who lost to
Virginia last week thirty one to thirty. North Carolina A
and T they beat forty five to thirteen, and now
Old Miss heads to Winston Salem to a legacy Federal
Credit Union Stadium as twenty two and a half point favorites.

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I'm taking the home team, give me the Demon Deacons
plus twenty two and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
I am with you on this. I'm a Hank Bachmeyer fan.
He played out there in SoCal where you could see him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
He was a force it hankst Wake Forest, Yeah, man,
he's where do you where do you go first. Well
he wasn't Boise Okay, okay, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes
that's where it was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Oh he was a boy d.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
He's he's one of those ones that's been in college
football since the before. They're pandemic. Y, it's in a while.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Zach Hill like, think about it this way. Zach Hill
coached Hank Blachmeyer at Poise State. Zach Hill has since
worked at Arizona State. Coached a high school championship, and
that works for the Seattle Seahawks. Hank Blachmeyer still doing it.
If you're into like numerology and stuff, hide your eyes.
But Hank Blackmeyers six hundred and sixty six passing yards

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this year, four touchdowns. He has been sacked a bunch,
but he's a gamer. I don't think he's gonna be
somebody who's surprised by anything he sees on the defensive side.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
I do think that they will score that. I might
go to that game. I might go that's not that
far of a drive from here.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Here's the thing. These SEC teams out outside of Texas
and Georgia, when they've played anybody with a pulse, all
of a sudden, him sixty point wis just just just
fly out the window. Is gonna happen to be in
this game.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
And even you look at like a forty five twenty
four or something like that, that does not cover. So
let's go Demon Deacons, all right, six hundred and sixty
six yards passing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Hmm weird?

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
All right? Uh? Georgia, Kentucky, Georgia his favorite Georgia minus
twenty four. The game is at Kroger Field in Lexington, Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Moment of silence for Brock Vandergriff. Do we think he
has any shot whatsoever to show his old team that
they should have done more to keep him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
No, because they got Carson Carson beck and Carson beckon
looks really good. So no, they're they're not missing him,
not even a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
I ool, I feel I feel bad.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
I feel bad for Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
They they were in a situation where I think they
thought they were gonna lose their head coach, and I
think that they had made peace with it, or at
least a lot of Kentucky fans had made peace with it,
and that did not happen, and Stoop's returns and then
they just get absolutely worked at South Carolina last week,

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who does not have an offense.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
They really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
And if South Carolina could cover that twenty four without
an offense, imagine what Georgia is gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
That's a fact. That's a fact.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
And this game is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Gonna be on ABC, like people without cable could watch
what's about to happen. It's it's all. I think it's
gonna be real bad in favor of Georgia.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Yep, all right, this one the Memphis Tigers at Florida State.
Florida State's favored by six and a half. Ryan Silverfield,
Memphis's head coach, his mentor, uh Norvel, Mike Norvel over
at Florida State. So this is the point where you're

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where you're where your idols become your rivals, and then
you got an aim for survival. So if you're Ryan
Silverfield and you go down to dope Campbell Stadium in
Tallahassee and you got him on the ropes, right, because

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remember Memphis is fighting for a college football playoff spot.
If you get him on the ropes and you get
a chance to win by thirty or you can win
by like fifteen, which one are you doing? He gotta
take this thirty piece fam like, he gotta under understand

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he would do it to me and Ryan Silverfield as
much because I've talked to the dude as much as
he loves being in Memphis. I think he wants to
make Memphis something very special. If shit, if you know,
if you think that, you think that a memory comes calling, No,
I'm asking Homo comes calling or Florida comes calling. That's

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hard to turn down. And this guy get them jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
If Memphis wins by thirty, the coaches just board the
opposite bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Everybody's and because the Norbelle still has some Memphis swag
in his closet, so he can just.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Yeah, I mean it's his essentially his system.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
He go back houses he won.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
He won like a couple of ten ten win seasons
back to back out there, right yep.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
So yeah, they just switch house, switch paychecks like like
a trade in places.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Yes, Yeah, except that they don't even have to do
like the freaky Friday lightning strike. They just board the
they switch jack. They do a jersey swap like like
Grady Dick did they do a jersey swap.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Black Oh and s FW college that that was about
Grady Dick and the other player in the NBA when
they swap jerseys. They did that on purpose, but that's
a whole another thing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
At a Grady Dick jersey swap right at midfield post
game and then they just board the opposite bus. Florida
State fans will they'll be like, all right, we'll see
how we look the rest of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Memphis will certainly be happy. What do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
All right? But what point six and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Points give me Florida State?

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Florida State gotta win this game, bro, and they gotta
win it by a touchdown. They have to. I'm taking
or to state this is why I wouldn't bet on
this game, because I this feels nasty, bro, no no
new new new.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Do you think do you think if they come out
in the first quarter and can't and I don't even
feel like this is a fair question because I don't
feel like.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
They've used DJU like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
But if they come out and the and the passing
game just isn't there early on, do you think that
there's the chance they might?

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Yes? Yes, yes, yes, regardless whether it's his fault or not.
The quarterback gets more blamed than he that he should
and more credit than he should. So yeah, so that's
that's what it is, man, that's what it is. It stinks,

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but you know, this is the world that we live
in, in the world of college football. All right. The last
game up, and this one is obviously near and dear
to my heart. The Oregon Ducks minus sixteen and a
half at Oregon State. Give me the Ducks for the

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same reason why Ralph did last week with Iowa State.
Ducks gotta get it together. It's not even like they're losing,
but they gotta play better. They gotta get it together.
Give me the Ducks fail.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Yeah, I mean you specifically told me that my logic
for picking Iowa State was ridiculous. But I appreciate you
seeing you over on my side of the fence on
this one. I looked real deep into this game and
I want to be on your side here. But Geovanni

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McCoy is he's real.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Yeah. I've known the kid since he was at since
before he left out of high school because him and
Damon used to work out together with with Sam Fisher
over at throw to win. Yeah, he's not Moxie. He's
got the right attitude to be able to win a
game like this, not not not only play well, but

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win a game like this. And Oregon's defense has been
pretty good this year. Their offense has been inconsistent. They've
had they've had big plays, and they got to get
some consistency out of the offensive line. You're gonna see
more combinations this week. I feel good, Ralph, I actually
feel feel good. I don't know whether it's Homerism in

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here or whether it's just hope.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Yeah, well, Oregon Oregon State was good last year. Oregon
beat them, what thirty one seven? Yeah, so that I
mean you could see a repeat of that. I just
the more I looked into Giovanni McCoy, the more it's like, Oh,
he doesn't when he gets sacked, it doesn't do any
thing to his momentum, to his mindset, nothing. He's pretty

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good at avoiding the past rush. I don't think you
can do that against Oregon. I think he's gonna get
got four or five times at least, but it doesn't
take him out of his rhythm. And because of that,
I think they might be able to keep this one close.
Hiring Trent Bray means that they didn't lose a lot
of their defensive playmakers, and they have the ability to

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run the ball and still and so I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
I like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
I like Oregon State not to win, but to keep it,
keep it close. I think it could look like that
Idaho score.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Ooh nice, I'll take it. And so that's all five
games for this week and the end of Unafraid to
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