Week 8 Review, Lincoln Riley, Ap Poll, Caleb Williams Sit-Out, Preview Week 9

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amazon, and this is the
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
I mean, well, I guess it would die at some
point in time when we die, but maybe it'll continue
a dark intro. You know, you have a stream of consciousness.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
You're like when you're in mid sentence and you realize
life is finite.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yes exactly, yes exactly. So I'm sitting here thinking what
the hell is going on with well, with the PAC
twelve in college football this season? Because we almost got
like an absolutely insane result this weekend. And before we

(01:15):
get to the game, though, we still got a bunch
to talk about because the ap pole came out and
you know, if you guys go to YouTube, George Reister,
there's a whole series on these things. And this week
though the AP pole, it took the two first place
votes that Washington had took him and snatched them back

(01:36):
and threw them back over to Michigan and Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Are you surprised by that?

Speaker 4 (01:43):
No? Not really are there surprises anymore besides Washington not
scoring a.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Touchdown, which was incredibly surprising.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, not necessarily you No, I figured that after.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well, first of all, Washington probably wished that that game
was on Pack twelve, network number number one and not
FS one. But but being that it wasn't, you had
a lot of people be able to be surprised because
at it was not. It was night, night time about
halftime and it was seven to three, and you were like, wait, wait, wait,

(02:26):
hold on, hold on, time out. I can't go to
bed comfortably yet because something weird is going on, Like,
is Michael Pennick's hurt?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
What did did?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Did did Kaitlin the Boar fall down a flight of
stairs and couldn't coach the team?

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Did?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Did did Ryan Grubb you know, walk out of the Boothe? Like,
what the hell happened?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So so you couldn't sleep comfortably and anybody that saw it, dude,
Arizona State had them in an absolute headlock, so I
was not surprised by that. Oregon's holding strong. I actually
think the PAC twelve is in a really good spot
to get two teams into playoffs like this could really happen.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Granted, this is the PAC twelve, so there will be
some kind of way that this potentially gets screwed up,
but as for now, I'm saying there's a chance.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Yeah, And the PAC twelve right now is the vibe
of the like. National respect has US as the third
best conference right now, and that is pretty much the
best you can hope for with how difficult it is
to just consume PAC twelve content. If you're a national
writer with the people that are responsible for voting on

(03:43):
these things, you know, a lot of them are out East,
and they hate the ACC way more than they hate us.
ACC has two one loss teams that are the lowest
ranked one loss Power five teams. One of them has
a win over Notre Dame and they're ranked eight spots
below to Notre Dame. So nobody's taking the ACC seriously.
Nobody's taking the Big twelve seriously outside of the two
departing teams. Yeah, so it really falls to If you

(04:10):
look at some of these teams schedules to end the season,
USC is a two loss team. They look like they're
in free fall, but they actually have a path to
the College Football Playoff because there's four ranked teams left
on their schedule, two of them are in the top ten,
and they only have one conference loss. If they win
all those games, they might actually be in a position

(04:33):
in the Pac twelve Championship to get a third top
ten win in a five week period. And then you
just need a couple of other weird things to happen
that are plausible, and all of a sudden, this very
disappointing USC season is playing in January.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Well, what would make the season even more disappointing for
them is if Caleb Williams doesn't finish the season. And
you had and Manual Acho this week, and there's a
video up on it. I think we retweeted it from
the Pac twelve Apostles website Twitter and you can find
it on the YouTube. All of that stuff on my

(05:14):
Twitter Ralph Twitter as well, talking about this insane take
by Emmanuel Acho talking about Caleb Williams should sit out. Dude,
if I were if I worked for Fox, first and foremost,
I'd be like, bro, bro, what's up with you?

Speaker 3 (05:31):
What's up with you?

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Like you know that we may have more USC games
and he's the biggest draw in college football and you're
just gonna ask for him to sit out.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
And we got you on the desk on Saturday with
Chris Peterson. Yes, like we got you on the desk,
like your your job is to promote the sport of
college football. I can't imagine Reese Davis doing this.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
No, No, even if Reese Davis thought it, he would
not say it.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, first of all, I don't think Reese Davis would
think it.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Second thing is, he definitely would not say it.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
It's confusing to me because.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
I understand the NFL part of it, the money part
of it, and all of that. He's undoubtedly insured up
up the hill, so there's some security and protection there.
And he's like top three insured, not like number you
know where like some guys get first round insurance or

(06:30):
top fifty. No, he's top three or top one insurance
and like that. If an injury causes him to fall
out of the top one or top top three, toa
burrito buddy, they're paying out. So and when you look
at this right. First of all, he just had the
worst game of his career two games ago against Notre Dame,

(06:53):
came back and followed that up with a pretty mid
game against Utah.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
A mid game against Utah is a good game against
anyone else.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, but that wouldn't I wouldn't, yeah, exactly, but it
was a mid game and his standards.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Yeah, yeah, but we know you, and I know you,
and I know that, like some of those throws he
made against Utah are not throws anybody else's making against Utah.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Correct, And then to sit out the rest of the
season when you have Washington, Oregon in UCLA left on
your schedule, so you are literally in the hardest part
of your schedule. You didn't play well in the two
toughest games that you had of the season so far.
You got three more at least just as tough, probably

(07:39):
tougher games left, and you're gonna sit those out. I
talked to an NFL scout and him like, Yo, that
would not be good.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
That would not be good. We would have completely advise
against that.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Forget the NFL for a second. He's got ten plus
major corporate partners, and he would be turned down the
opportunity to play in front of five to seven million
people three to four more times with United Airlines. Action
Water gave like one hundred thousand dollars to his anti

(08:14):
bullying charity. He's got a non alcoholic beer sponsor that's
also a major sponsor of the Pac twelve Athletic broke company.
Like he's in the Heisman House, the Nissan commercials, He's
in the Doctor Pepper Fansville commercials. The college football's biggest

(08:36):
sponsors are also on team Caleb Williams, Yep, they it's rumored,
and I feel like this is low. I really do that.
He's making two point six million in sponsorships this season.
Feels low. Feels low. But that's a lot of money, dude,
and you're gonna hurt your relationship with all of these

(08:59):
corporate sponsors. He also has the opportunity, like he, you're
in a position now where you could announce a shoe
deal before you even go pro.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Oh dude, dude, Nike is working on his shoe deal
as we speak. Brother, as you think speak.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
You think they want him chilling No at home?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Absolutely not? That is that? Well, yeah, absolutely not? That
would be a uh that would be a a how
do you say a fool's errand that would be a
bad deal right.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
There, and football like even like the what's weird is
you have some galaxy bring people out here that are like, yeah,
if if I had tens of millions of dollars on
the line, I would not go to work. That's not
what we're talking about here. We're talking about your tens
of millions of dollars being on the line from somebody
who's interested in your current work. It's a completely different situation.

(09:58):
And the majority of America hate quitters. You hate them.
They hate them.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
With a passion like that.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
That is the logical passion get you jammed up more
than anything else with people in general, is for for
them to believe that you are some kind of way
a quitter.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
You you as a person. It's weird because we label
people like are you a Lebron defender? Or like you
as a person acknowledge Lebron's place in sports history, basketball history? Yes,
you're not out here purposefully trying to deny it, and
you enjoy it when he does well and to you,
he's rushmore like yes, oh yes, right, I would think

(10:43):
that even you could admit Game five against this purse
when he's in Cleveland, isn't the best thing for his legacy?

Speaker 2 (10:49):
No, no, but but but he's put so much else
out on fins.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yes, this is twenty one.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yes, yes, So I don't believe that. Well, I just
believe that it would raise red flags for teams. And
I talk to an NFL scout, actually two NFL scouts
and said, yes.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
That would be the wrong thing to do. But we're
also going to do heavy.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Deep dives into his personal life.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Has he ever quit on a team ever? Before? Going
back to pee wee football? I was like, pee wee, yes,
pee wee football.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Going back as far as you can go, talking to
people in the community, people that you He was like,
they get information that they are not supposed to get
and that's why it doesn't come out because they're not
supposed to have that information.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah, scouts are going to be asking questions like was
it Caleb Williams idea to paint f Utah Fasu on
his nails? Or was it his mom's? And then they're
gonna have a different opinion. I'm like, well, if it
was his mom's, he's a mom's boy. And if it
was his idea. He's a leader, but maybe he has
some bad ideas. They're gonna parse everything this dude's ever done.

(12:10):
Quitting is gonna be an easy one for them to be, like, oh,
like he he's he's a host unto himself. He cares
about himself. A lot of these USC players, he's going
to see him again in the NFL. He's gonna quit
on him now, Like.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, some of the some of these NFL coaches are
USC alum bad team. Yeah, because he's going to a
bad team.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Oh yeah, yes he is. Uh and and and they're
gonna they're gonna be in situations where a lot of
these teams messed up their last couple of first round
quarterback picks. So like if it's Chicago who passed on
Patrick Mahomes and who picked Justin Fields and they don't

(12:51):
feel like they evaluated right two times in a row,
then they're gonna they're gonna go even harder in the
paint to figure out if Cayleb Williams is right for them,
because they're gonna have two picks that are pretty high.
So you know, in Denver, Denver, Sean Payton's gonna be
all in your business regardless because closely he works with
his quarterbacks. Sean Payton Drew Brees relationship was like they

(13:16):
were like teammates. They were like brothers running stuff in
New Orleans. So I don't know, I here's what this
does for me. Like it's a nonsense take, it will
never happen, but it makes me want Ocho off the
college football desk. I want I want my college football
commentators to either be all about college football right like

(13:38):
when you could be a sports analyst, you could be
a take artist, you could be whatever. You know, you
could have an Oprah TV show and write books and whatever.
But like you gotta love college football, or you at
least have to like understand that people love college football irrationally.
And coming out here and being like this, this isn't

(14:03):
playing college football is beneath the best player in the
game right now because of the team's current circumstances. Tells
me that you are not somebody who the audience is
is gonna want to have around. Yes, yep, And you know,
I don't know how much Fox is heavily invested in otcha,

(14:24):
how much they care about that, But like he's doing
fine on speaker yourself. He's doing fine with everything else
he's doing, but I never want to see him on
the college football desk again. If this is his, if
this is his whole, like college football doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, very true, very true.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Now on to what's going on with really staying over
at USC Lincoln Riley.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
He did not make.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Players available to talk to the media after the game.
I thought that was a big mistake, big, big, big, big,
big mistake, Like, this is not Lincoln Up. I mean,
this is not you know, Oklahoma, This is not Lincoln, Nebraska.
This is not Still Water, this is not you know,

(15:13):
a little small town where they're gonna This is Los Angeles.
Lebron gotta talk, win or lose, championship or not. Coach
gotta talk. Heisman winner, got to talk. As long as
he ain't hurt. They gotta talk. And I thought it
was a bad look. I don't know whether he called

(15:35):
himself protecting himself because some sometimes these college coaches try
to insulate them themselves from all the noise. And I
don't think that was a I thought it was a
terrible idea, Ralph, absolutely terrible.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
I agree. I think it's to me, it sends two
different messages, because there is the college coach that are like, hey,
these are just kids, you know, and I want to
protect them. But if that's the case, then you would
treat them like college kids, and you would protect them
from recruiting over them, buying players off of other teams,

(16:11):
you know, recruiting players that are currently locked up elsewhere
before they're in the portal. Like all the stuff that
USC has been involved in behind closed doors speaks to
a much more professionally oriented environment, Like it's Google trying
to jack employees from Twitter, you know, like it, and
so it the I think the only way to interpret

(16:36):
it from the outside, and I'm trying to give him
the benefit of the doubt here is that he is
a P word or a B word.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
All right, Yeah, I don't know, Like what what do
you what do you want?

Speaker 4 (16:57):
I don't know what to say, Like he's scared or
petty or or I don't know. Man comes off as
a sore loser, doesn't trust his players. Tell me, can
you please play Devil's Advocate and tell me a positive
way to interpret it? Because the only thing that I
saw this week which I did think was very funny

(17:19):
and made me laugh really hard, was that, like, people
are complaining that Lincoln Riley doesn't trust the media, but
look what Emmanuel Acho is out here saying in public,
he's the media. You don't want these people kids. I
thought that was really funny. But Emanuel Ocho is not
the media. The media is like Ryan Carcy and you know,

(17:39):
and Ryan Abraham and the people that do a good
job on the USC beat. Yes, who have customers last.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Year readers, those are yeah, yeah, right, they are the media.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
You know that USC is ranked twenty fourth right now,
and a big part of why they drop so hard
in the Asociated Press poll is because of the way
they treat the press.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
YEP.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
So now Lincoln Riley has missed practice Monday Tuesday, and
he didn't look good on the sideline, like, if we're
being honest, like something looked up.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
He looked little low.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Energy in the press conference, and they are now trying
to push it through with the university to get Cliff
Kingsbury elevated to an on field coach level, which there's
a finite number of those that you can have on
a staff, and USC's at that number. So that means

(18:40):
that you could be applying for some sort of emergency
exemption or something like that. But to me, this feels
like the only way that you would be having that
is either you're taking somebody else off the field or
to like move the numbers around, or Lincoln Riley is
not expected to be at the game on Saturday because

(19:01):
you have to pull coaches like coaches have to be
I mean, Dion was that practice with like kneading toes
amputated and all of this stuff, Like coaches are going
to be around as long as they are in any
sort of health. And and you even had a Wilner

(19:22):
tweet that said, PSA to everybody. It's essentially saying that
joking about Lincoln Riley being quote unquote under the weather
right now, that would be a very bad idea. And
I don't know whether he was being facetious or whether
he was being you know, like.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Real.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, Yeah, it feels weird to me to go if
there's if there is any report whatsoever that somebody is
sick and they can't be around. I don't like, I
guess I don't understand the instinct to joke about it. Yeah,

(20:08):
the timing of it is obviously unfortunate that Utah field
goal doesn't go in and he's still missing time. He's
still gonna be ill. Yeah, and it could be serious,
and it might, you know, I don't know. So Dennis
Simmons is gonna be the the head coach, right, so
they're gonna elevate Cliff Kingsbury as a Cardinals van. Yikes,

(20:31):
but they're gonna elevate Cliff Kingsbury and Dennis Simmons is
gonna be the coach. And Dennis Simmons had a quote
that that I read into a little bit. He said,
it's not like Riley's gone forever. We're just focused on
the next game, which means that he's gone, right, Like
you say, it's not like he's gone forever. He is gone.

(20:53):
He is not accessible, He's not gonna be around till
whatever this is is figured out. So you just gotta
maybe maybe it's an extended period of time. We don't know,
but yeah, the idea that you would joke about, and
I have seen one of the other you know, PAC
twelve podcast hosts saying that he was, you know, felt
like faking an injury to take an NFL job, and

(21:15):
how funny that would be. And I mean, that'd be
an all time scandal.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Oh god, bro, Bro, if he takes an NFL job
now after this, this would be yeah, yeah, this would
be an all timer, Bro. He would he would be
the most hated NFL coach that just got hired.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Of all time.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Like, because you got people in Oklahoma that would hate him.
The city of every USC fan would then hate him. Yeah,
because that would just regardless of whether it's true or
not not, it would just be a very very bad look.
I would get at the point in time where like,
USC fans have just started to turn on him, Are
you surprised at how quickly? Like year two is not

(21:59):
even all the way over yet, and USC fans are like,
we don't even want this bum around here.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Have you ever been beat by Utah three times in
a row?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Because I have no no idea what that's like.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
It makes you feel a certain way. So my fault
are USC fans, I get it.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
How do you lose three times in a row?

Speaker 4 (22:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Couldn't be me.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, it won't be you because you don't have to
take them to the next conference with you like I do.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well, even if even if that were the case, that
that would three years in a row, Noah they beat
the Uce and Row in one in one season, and
that was okay. So I do I do understand how
that feels on some when when they beat us twice
crystal balls last year, I wanted to throw up in
my mouth. And it was the fashion in which they
beat us that like made it like they like punked

(22:51):
us back back games because.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
And and and I think that that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
About it, is like if you get beat in a
track meet, I can in the Washington even though I
hated losing to sorry ass Washington and the despicable people,
those deplorable people two.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Years in a row. Sorry, I almost knock my head
set off making that joke.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
I still know.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
But but obviously I've spoken glowingly about the Washington program,
their head coach, Canon the board Grub, quarterback Michael Pennix,
and all of the other bullshit that they got going
on too. But I honestly losing the fashion in which
we lost to Utah twice in a row because we
feel like we're supposed to be better than Utah. I

(23:40):
think that that's it. I think that that's the thing
is that even though you respect Utah, you still feel like,
I mean, like Oregon going into Utah this year, this week.
That would make three in a row. No, no, no, no,
I'm sorry because no, no, because we wanted the last year.
But I would want to throw up in my mouth

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losing to Bryson Barnes. Granted he's doing a great job,
but it's Bryson Barnes. It's not Cam Rising. Dude's a
pig farmer, walk on pig farmer, not going to the NFL.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
So it's not it's not. It's not the converted safety
being the best player in college football right now that
bothers you. It's it's the walk on pig farmer that's
giving him the ball. This is so. This is what
I'm saying, is like, I'm watching all of these Big
twelve fans that pre hate Utah, right yeah, pre hate Utah,

(24:39):
and I'm just worried for them. I'm worried for them
because I'm like, if you hate Utah, now you.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Are gonna dude, there's gonna be Big twelve chips every
single year almost.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
God, in the Pac twelve, We're like, how the hell
is Utah going and two scoring twenty five points a game?
This is ridiculous. Under twenty five points a game in
the Big Twelve get you to college football playoffs.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Oh oh man, dude, Utah would break Texas and Oklahoma
this year.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Utah still got ASU and Colorado on their upcoming schedule. Like,
we're gonna see what what Utah's level of physicality does
to one team that doesn't have that level of physicality
built in and another team whose entire team is in triage.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
That Arizona State game Utah game might be something to see, buddy.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
You're going to have a wide receivers plan O line
by the end of it. It's gonna be so bad,
dude that against Washington.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Dude, Arizona State. Is there anything else that we need
to talk about prior to the games?

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Uh so a list of coach on the Oh yeah,
well he got put out and I I guess the
funny The funniest thing about it was it's two coaches long,
because it really like everybody's either new or doing a
decent job. And uh so, you I asked you if

(26:17):
you could guess the two coaches because they told you
they both weren't head coaches, only one was, and you
got it immediately. You didn't even have to.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Like noot Alex Grinch.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, and my former teammate Justin Wilcox.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Who is not getting fired no.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
No, which is crazy if he were at anywhere else
besides Cal. And mind you, I'm not calling for the
man's job. We're just speaking about the reality of college football.
If he were at any other institution, it would be over.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yeah, because he's in what year seven and he has
a losing record.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Well, it's just not getting better like that. That's the like,
that's the bit, because you can deal with bad things
when you came out of a bad situation in COVID
all of that stuff when there is hope. But the
but the problem is that Cal doesn't have hope right now.
There's no hope that the future is brighter in the past.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Right now.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
CAL football reminds me so much of California high school
football because you'll be like, hey, you should come check
this team out. They got like this four star, this
five star. They got two O linemen that are both
going to go to the Big Ten. They got a
dB that runs the four to three. And you'd be like,
oh my god, are they like undefeated? And you'd be like, well,

(27:39):
they're two and six. You know what, I'm saying, like,
that's because cal still is putting some serious athletes out there.
They have a receiver who I think is a like
legitimate NFL guy. They've got a couple of running backs
who are a lot of fun to watch. They got
a couple of dbs that are a lot of fun
to watch.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
So in Arizona and in North Carolina, do teams with
losing records go to the playoffs? Because they do here
in California, Like, there's gonna be like three and seven
teams in certain divisions.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
There are teams that are.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Like that are going to finish, that are five and
four right now, that are projected to be because they're
in the Trinity League obviously, that are going to be
in Division two in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah. And so in Arizona, if all of your losses
were to playoff teams, you're getting in because of your
strength to schedule. So every year there's like one or
two three and seven teams and all seven of their
losses are the top ten teams in the state. Yes, Oh,
they usually end up being pretty good in the playoffs.
And then in North Carolina, I think you have to
be good. I think if the playoffs here are massive.

(28:49):
They're like thirty two teams instead of sixteen or something
like that. But I don't don't you never see losing records.
Division goes up to four here, and the reason is
because there's so many private schools in North Carolina that
don't and the private school is its own league, it
doesn't play, so all the schools were together, you might

(29:13):
have more divisions, but the top division here is just four,
and I think that's like any school with more than
fifteen hundred kids.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Oh see here, it has nothing any more to do
with the size of your school.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
It is.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
There's colpreps dot com where you can see the computer rankings,
and you are slotted in your division by the computer rankings,
even though the computer computer rankings are kind of lame
because they're based upon how you kind of came into
the beginning of the season. And like, for instance, my

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son's team at Englewood, we came into the season in
like the forties, but in the state. But then our schedule,
the back half of our schedule was super light, super light,
except for the team that we play losinger last week,
that was ranked forty one. We came into the game
ranked eighty something and we're seven to two. The only

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teams that we lost to were Carlsbad with which is
in the top ten in the state, and Lincoln, which
is in the top ten in the state. Those are
our only two losses. Everybody else has gotten their doors
knocked off except for Losinger, who we played last week,
who was ranked forty one, but they had like four losses.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
So you are Inglewood is the equivalent of like a
James Madison. You're a seven to zero rank low because the.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Schedule was but they were a Division two team last year.
So when we were at Sierra Canyon last year, we
played Inglewood.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
In the playoffs. Oh okay, in the in the state playoffs,
So like what would you have to do.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
To not make the playoffs in California.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
So there's like.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Twelve divisions I think, yikes and that and that's just
in the in the Southern Section side, so and there's
also the City Section side, so because there are city
schools and there are Southern Section schools.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
So it's California's fault that we got five and seven
bowl teams because you have these kids coming out California
at school football getting into the n c double a
get to five and seven, Like, what do you mean
we don't have a postseason?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah exactly, that's funny. Yeah, yeah, so it's it's it's
complicated to say the least.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
But yeah, so will Cox and Grinch, that's that's the
that's our current. Uh And I mean the Grinch thing
is interesting because that is a personal loyalty thing, not
a performance thing. So you can call for his job
all you want. It's really gonna be up to Lincoln
Riley and how he feels.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
There's which Kelly em with with Jerry Asnarro. Yes, yeah,
there's no way he can't fire him.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Revisionist history with Chip Kelly admit that he should have
fired Jerry as an.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
R No, Nope, that's wild.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
That's wild. Meanwhile, Asus three games end of the season,
taking away play calling duties from their first year offensive.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Coordinated Yes so you yes, so Bobos not like.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
They're playing for championships. They're just trying to win a.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Game, yep.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, and that and that young young man was like, Nope, nope,
I guess I'll be doing this too. Now on to
the games, baby, So uh, first up, I guess in
chronological order, because the pac twelve games. First one started
at twelve thirty. You had my Oregon Ducks. Oh my god,
bro whoa thirty eight Washington State twenty four. I was

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furious at the end of this game, Ralph, furious.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
You went four and one in your in your five
picks and this was the one Yes?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
And why and why? Was it because a dumb ass late.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Touchdown, garbage touchdown? Yeah, we don't have time.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
For your your little, sorry ass garbage touchdowns. I don't
blame Washington State for this. I blame Oregon for this.
This was a twenty point win, just easy, like I
felt really good about it.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
It was thirty eight to sixteen.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
We we could have had another touchdown, but a penalty
negated that situation. So I almost got my fifty to
ten damn near. But no, you had Oregon thirty eight
Washington State twenty four. And I heard people from the
Oregon side saying, ooh, maybe.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Cam Moore can be our quarterback next year.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
I was like, no, absolutely, not, no way, no, how
don't want them.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
That's not Oregon style. Oregon style is to is to
is the I guess what the better uh lack of
a better term for it. The power dink and dunk
like the DeAndre Ayton of college football offenses.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Wow, wow, how are you?

Speaker 4 (34:16):
But we're just this lay up, lay up, lay up,
lay up, lay up. It's very frustrating and almost impossible
to stop. I had a hot take at the beginning
of the game, though, what's that because it was a struggle,
it was a rock fight, and I was like the
Oregon's commitment to just being themselves and not making adjustments

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was not Uh, it was frustrating.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Why what what do you what do you mean by that?

Speaker 4 (34:48):
We've talked about the fact that Oregon is gonna be
Oregon regardless and the you I think even you would
admit that the first bit of this game was messy
because they were aggressive. Uh, and then when they weren't,
you know, they missed a field goal and they just
they just do things exactly the way that you expect

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to do them. The whole thing is they're better than you,
so over time it's gonna wear you down. But yeah,
it was just it was It was very much how
the Washington game went of, Like Oregon's just gonna be Oregon.
It doesn't what you're doing. They're just gonna go out
they're gonna be Oregon, and if it works, it works.
And in this case, they pulled away and they were

(35:31):
never really in danger. No, let's get into some of
the pain points though. See if you feel any of them. Okay,
sixteen catches for Victor does that bother you?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Not even a little bit, Not even a little bit
do we? We played Utah State when I was in
college and they had oh god, there was white wide
receiver that went and played for the Rams for a
little while. Uh he caught like and I'm not talking
about Cooper, I'm talking about prior to him. Dude, he

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must have caught like twenty two passes against us, and
we beat them by like thirty some points. So, like
when you're running screens and you're running all these drags
and unders and all of that stuff, that doesn't bother
me at all. Like a dude who finishes with sixteen
catches for one sixty one when is long as thirty seven,

(36:23):
That doesn't bother me that much. But but you know
what does bother me? What twenty nine, twenty seven, thirty seven,
forty seven and thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
That's what bothers me.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
That was a lot of explosive plays man.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yes, yes, that's five just from the receivers alone.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Well that's what made cam Ward finish the game with
a nine point one yards per attempt on forty eight
freaking attempts.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, the dude finished with four hundred and thirty eight
yards like that. I mean, granted, when they got in
the red zone, they weren't able to cash in, right.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
And they're not there. Did you see what I was
talking about last week? And I'm like, they're small.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yes, yeah, yep, yeah, they can't run the football. They
tried to run the football. Oregon was like, no, that's
what you're not gonna do. And as soon as you
can't run the football, you are one dimensional. And then yeah,
and then they can key on that in the in
the red zone, and then you're just gonna end up

(37:26):
with Phil goals, field goals, field goals, and field goals
will not beat Dorg.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Yeah, they're gonna You're gonna have to do something with
Evan Williams though, because they they picked on him quite
a bit.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
You're, yeah, he's had back to back rough games.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
He shouldn't finish with fourteen tackles.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Oh my god, Oh that's not good, mam.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Now one of those was a tackle for loss. So
let's say he shouldn't finish with thirteen of those fourteen tackles.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Oh my god, you are one hundred percent right?

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Yep, yep, Well, actually twelve because he had a sack
and attackle for loss. So yeah, so twelve is still
a lot for your safety. Considering that they didn't really
run the ball very much.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
It felt like on the on the organ end Mateo's
coming out game a little bit.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
That kid is special, Bro, that kid is spas sure.
The word on the street is he's.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Better than the man who got drafted to the Giants.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
We'll see Dibbodo Bucky Irving was. I want to say
positive things about Bucky Irving, but a lot of what
he was doing you could have done.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
I don't know, Bro.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Did you did you see the one where he dropped
number zero in the hole and ran for a touchdown?

Speaker 3 (38:50):
I can't do that was that was an incredible run.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Some of those runs he didn't have anybody to drop.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
But I've consistently told you who have I been saying
is the best running back in the PAC twelve since
last year? Buck Herving, Bucky Irving is there is there
any doubt?

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I think, Marshon Lloyd, you don't want to hear from me.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
You don't want to hear from me right now about Uh,
you don't know, dude, there could be another safety on
one of these schools that if you just put them
at running back.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Oh god, dude, don't try to tell me. Voky's been
Get out, Get out of here.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
And Josh Paton.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Says, Josh Pate, your boy says that Utah's offense isn't clicking.
It just had the privilege of facing USC.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
All right, So let's let's let's finish up on this game.
Washington State is four and three, Yeah, one in three
in conference. Question is will they make a bowl game?
I think so, because they got to get through they
got oh yeah, oh god, yes they're making a bowl game.
They got Arizona State, Stanford, Cal and Colorado left yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Yeah, and Washington they might win eight games.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
It's possible, damn yes, small.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
And they're and they're playing team in Stanford who can't
play defense, and Washington State can at least put up
a fight on defense.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah, I just okay. So a college football team, high
level college wall team. We're talking about a team three
weeks ago it was ranked thirteenth in the country. How
many players on your team should be over three hundred pounds.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Five, six, seven and a minimum of seven.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Okay, here's the issue right now for Washington State. They
do not have a single defensive player over three hundred pounds.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
What No D No three hundred pound d tackles?

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Uh Naim Rodman is the only one. He's been around
forever he was at Colorado.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Yeah, they so, they they have, they have They got
a bunch of freshmen in this year that they brought
in around the three hundred pound mark. Yeah. So they
have four freshmen on the offensive line. They have as
many freshmen on the offensive line that are three hundred
pounds and above as they do upper classmen.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
So okay, so they're so they're trying to build this
offensive line to be more physical.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Yeah, and they have their heaviest defensive lineman is three
hundred and seven pounds. Everybody else is three hundred or below.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
You you need some little space eaters up in there.
That's the That's the thing that Oregon is doing well.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
They are beefing up on the d line.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Bro. They are like Ron Stone has had some good
games and he's a good dn for them. He's two
forty six.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
That ain't gonna cut it when the when them when
the NFL lineman when they get them paws on you, buddy, Yeah,
unless you are you know, like homebody got drafted by
the Texans out of Alabama, where you're like a just
a freaking special player.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Yeah. They just look small and then they kind of
space them out on defense, and so it's like, how
do you not expect to get gashed up the middle?
I just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, well yeah, and Ucla did it, and now Oregon
has done it too. All right, next game up you had, Okay,
you had Ucla Stanford, Ucla forty to Stanford seven. Ucla

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started out the beginning of this game and just and
just never let up.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
But there was a change of quarterback.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
I don't like it. What no I told you last week.
I told you this last week. You said, should they
And I said absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Ethan Garbers was twenty of twenty eight for two forty
two touchdowns. He had a phenomenal day. Granted, Stanford's defense
does not put up a whole lot of resistance, but
he was really good. And Dante Moore had gone three
straight games with pick sixes through three picks in the
last game, he has like seven picks in the last

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three games.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Oh on, now, all of a sudden, Chip Kelly can't
abide turnovers. He went through five years of during DT.
Maybe not, Maybe he.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Just think that.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I think that he knows that this team is very,
very talented. They should have never lost. They're the last game. Oh,
they should have never lost to Oregon State, which which
we agree with. It was the turnovers that absolutely killed him. Yes,
and so I think the chip on your stands that
Dante's a really good talented player, but he's not ready yet.

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And with as and with those Dorian Thompson Robinson teams,
those teams weren't ready. But when you have a defense
this good, I think that, and you're able to run
the football and all of that stuff, I think that
it makes it very tough for you to just dismiss
the rest of the team.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
You've given him every opportunity to get ready, right, Like,
you want him to be the guy. Yeah, that's my assumption.
You started him. You want this correct guy. Why sit
him against the one team where he actually probably have
some success. And if you watch this game, the plays
they're running for Ethan Garber's, they're pretty pretty simple stuff.

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A little misdirection on a touchdown pass, a couple of
slant easy slant routes. There was one where Garbus had
to like roll right to move the pocket where he
threw a nice ball, But for the most part it
was it felt like a very simplified plan that Dante
Moore would have been able to have success with. I
just wonder if there's just like a switch that went

(45:06):
with with Chip Kelly that he's more worried about this
year and his job status.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
I don't think it's his job status.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I just think that it's what's best for Dante more
and I think that Dante needs he I think he.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Needs a reset.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Bro I think he needed a reset that that, and
I do think that this does that. If Ethan Garbers
continues to play well, that this does present a little
bit of a problem. But Chip Kelly is not above
telling somebody to hit the hit, hit the bricks. Think
about Darren Thomas. Darren Thomas just took Oregon to the
National Championship and he was informed that Marcus Mariota was

(45:45):
going to be their guy. He was the team that
took him to Uh yeah it was. It was no, no, no, no,
it wasn't. It was either the National Championship or the
Fiesta Bowl, I'm sorry, the Rose Ball either or A one,
and he was and they were like, yeah, nah, it's
time for Marcus.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
No, yes, it was the Fiesta Bowl.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
They were playing in the in the Fiesta Bowl for sure,
because I was down there and that was how I
found found out. I'd been talking to one of the
coaches and they were like, Yo, we got this freshman
who's gonna be the guy going forward next year. So
you have a quarterback who's taken you to the Promised
Land and you're like, no, it's time to move on.
So it'll be interesting to see how this quarterback room

(46:29):
shakes out, because four quarterbacks actually took snaps for for
UCLA in this game.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Four.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
You had Ethan Garber's take the overwhelming majority. Dante Moore
got four passes, and Chase Griffin got a pass and
then the kid from Inglewood who will be in the
portal as well, probably yeah, he got some snaps as well.
So Chase Griffin should be gone after this year. I think,
but I mean, but he doesn't really count. But Dante Moore,

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Ethan Garber's. Why can't I not remember the kid from
Englewoo's name Martin? Yes, yes, yes, Justin Martin, Lord of
Merty's a family friend too.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
I apologize.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Justin Martin and the kid that transferred in from Kent State.
Bro how many of those guys are gone next year?
Well Shod asked, how many of those guys are still there?
Because if Ethan Garber's plays well for the rest of
the year, what then happens to Dante Moore? Because Ethan

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Garber's has another year of eligibility, Justin Martin likely out
of there.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah, I'm gonna say it's twenty twenty three. All four
could go. That would be four because think about it,
might say it's twenty twenty three, like this didn't happen
eight years ago when Kyle Allen transferred out of Texas
A and M and Kyler is clearly going to be

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the starter, has already split reps, but he's lost confidence
in the staff and he bolts too, and they both
go to guaranteed situations. Maybe Ethan Garber's got his feelings
hurt by the fact that he wasn't given that it
took this long to pull the trigger. And maybe maybe
Dante Moore's got his feelings hurt too. You just never know, uh,

(48:22):
you know. And and you look at Cal. Last year,
Cal had people that were probably gonna start leave the program.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Yeah, they were like syonara, buddy.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah, I mean Jack Plumber is the quarterback of a
ranked team right now over in Louisville, yep, instead of
sticking around. So I think that this is, uh, it'll
be interesting to watch it all unfold and they'll be
opened up to the possibility of, you know, a big

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big ten teams sometimes come after players because it will
give them the opportunity to like understand how a team works.
Whether or not you earn the starting lineup, you can
give somebody insight into how the offense is run and
stuff like that. So there's gonna be a lot of
wolves at the door. It'll be interesting to see what
they do moving forward. I have one question about Stanford.

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Remember last year they started running that slow mesh yes, yes,
blown up yep. So this is not that offense. However,
I don't know what Stanford was doing holding the ball
five six seconds on some of these packs. No, it
was insane how many times they took pressures and sacks

(49:41):
that that were actually decent pass protection.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
And and uh yeah and elk I am a nore.
After his heroic game last year, well last week followed
it up with a good performance eight just for ninety yards.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
They got that man killed on the sideline. I think
it was early second half. Hit him on a deep
ball down the sideline.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah, oh yeah, and he got absolutely just wrecked the business. Yeah, dude,
he can do it.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
They've proven that he can do it against multiple teams.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
You just gotta protect him a little bit.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I think they got something there, all right, we got
you TAW, USC, you taw thirty four, USC thirty two.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Is this the game that broke USC.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Caleb Williams for the second week in a row, so
he was thirty four. It was twenty four for thirty four,
zero touchdowns, zero picks, And that was like astonishing, I mean,
because we've grown so used to him throwing so many
touchdown passes, and in the last two weeks combined one

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touchdown three picks. Even though that all happened in the
Notre Dame game, but he's thrown for four hundred and
fifty five yards in the last two games combined.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Yeah, he doesn't like to take the easy gift. No,
and that's been a problem for him for two years now.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yep, dude, he hasn't had a three hundred yard passing game.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Since Colorado.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Arizona held him to two nineteen and one touchdown, Notre
Dame held him to one ninety nine and a touchdown
in three picks, and Utah held him the two fifty six,
zero touchdown, zero interceptions. Is USC's offense. Did Arizona break USC?

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Is the question? Or did they just decode them?

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Arizona kept everything in front of them, which is kind
of just what they have to do at this point,
and it's been working. Caleb Williams is somebody who is
always looking to take the biggest opportunity afford to him. Yes,
and you talked about it all year last year. This
is not new. He holds the ball. There were things

(52:17):
that he did last year and earlier this year that
you said he won't be able to get away with
at the next level. So people are making adjustments to him.
I've noticed a way that he is handled in the
pass rush has changed. Arizona State did a little bit
as well. The defensive ends rush out wide and then
they don't crash in yep. They just kind of stay

(52:41):
out wide to make sure that Kayleb Williams can move
the pocket but not outside the hash yep.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
And that way.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Then that way, then if he tries to go back inside,
they can retrace and tackle.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Yeah. So then spot maybe spy him with a linebacker
and then drop everybody else but suber deep back into coverage.
And then every once in a while I hit him
with a blitz, maybe even a corner blitz. Really keep
things interesting, which I think is good for Caleb Williams
in the long run. I think he's facing a lot
of things that he's gonna have to face big it. Yeah,
all of this is for Kayleb Williams, good in my opinion.

(53:17):
But yeah, he's just gonna have to. I don't think
he finds it fun to take the easy yards, but
it's necessary at this point. It's just a necessity. I
don't put this game on him. I don't necessarily think
it's his fault. Lincoln Riley calls the plays right, Yes, Okay,

(53:37):
so he doesn't like to run the ball. I got
I would just if you are a running back who
for some reason listens well.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
And Marshawn Lloyd started the game off running the ball
extremely well.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
They all had success. Austin Jones and Marshawn Lloyd combined
for twelve carries for like one hundred and seventeen yards.
Twelve carries for one hundred and seventeen yards. Twelve carries,
though Marshaw Lloyd had eight last week, seven this week
or something. Yep, he fumbled and.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
It was it was like he got in a doghouse.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Yeah, and I the fumble doghouse to me is always
the dumbest thing in the world because you'll let Dante
More throw three pick sixes before you make a decision
on him.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
But let let him run it back bubble one good time.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yeah, let him break eighteen tackles and then fumble after
getting forty yards because he was trying to do something
positive and he has to go stand on the sideline
with his head down to prove that he's remorseful, then
walk around campus holding a football while random students punch
at it for the next week, just to prove you
know that that he can play again. And that type
of stuff that like coaching mindset is to me is

(54:50):
very very stupid. That makes happen. Yeah, and if somebody
is chronically fumbling, then you take them out. But if
they but I don't think I don't even think it's
about the fumble. I just don't think.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Lincoln Ryan, you only got seven carries, bro, and then
Austin Jones got like five in the second half.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
This is what I'm saying. If you're a running back
and you're out there and for some reason you listen
to pactweal apostles and USC comes to throw a bag
at you before you've entered the transfer portal like they do.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Because Marshaon Lloyd looks good, Bro.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Yeah, think about what it means for you, Marshawn Lloyd.
Had he stayed at the other USC. This is you know,
fifteen sixteen carries a game. He's not getting that at US.
I would be furious. You have a running game, you
have an offensive line that can give you a little
bit of space in the running game, and you're just
not doing it. I don't know. I think that it's

(55:44):
not been a good coaching job. I think that Lincoln
Riley's seventeen and five, and that's the exact record that
Clay Hilton started out with.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Okay, oh wow, but okay, So Marshawn Lloyd has played
one more game than at USC than Oregon, Right, yeah,
Bucky Irving only has five more rushing attempts.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
But who else is running.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Exactly exactly exactly exactly like yeah, yeah, and before no
Noah Whittington went went out for the year. Yeah, they
probably have three dudes that have damn near the same
amount of carries. So but you have Bucky Irving who's
averaging seven point four to six yards of carry. Marshawn

(56:31):
Lloyd is averaging seven point nine four yards of carry.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
That's a lot of yards. Yep, that's a lot of yards.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
And they can maybe they're saying, and this is a
very big Cliff Kingsbury thing. Who is part of that
staff Obviously Cliff Kingsbury used to do this with Chase Edmonds,
James Connor. You pick and choose your spots where you run,
you use the run to set up to pass, and
then so you have these explosive plays, but you don't
don't you don't like the idea of like because you're

(57:04):
so good on offense. You don't need a second and seven,
you don't need a third and two.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
So you're not trying to set the pass up or
any play action with any type of run. And this
is why a lot of Oklahoma players went in the
NFL and didn't and needed retrained. I mean, I'm just
telling you, I'm not trying to be a USC hater.
It's not if you're trying to become a pro. Now
you're trying. You're trying to play on a big stage
right now, have some fun, be in La, go to USC. Sure,

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But if you're trying to be used the way that
you want to be used at the next level, I
think there's other options for you.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Which is which which impacts recruiting? Dude, which is going
to impact their recruiting Because if you are a defensive player,
Look at how bad Demani Jackson looks right now.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Yeah, he's like a six.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
To three corner that runs ten to two and he
looks so mid People run run by him, they catch
him underneath, they do like it's it's a it feels
like a coaching problem more than a player problem.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
If you are the best quarterback in the country, I
think USC is a good option for you if you
are if you are a good receiver, I think USC
is a good option for you. Everybody else the jury's out,
We don't we I mean, you're not gonna come out
here and uh and butter up USC just for no reason.

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But we don't have to do it just because their
premier brand. Yeah, in college football. The truth about USC
is the things that they're doing wrong led to the
last two losses and the last three in a row
against Utah.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
So the question is.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Can they fix it? Like what can be done to
fix it this year? Lincoln Riley's likely out this week.
We don't know about next week yet. We have haven't
heard from players really in the media. We don't know
where Caleb's had is at this week.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Who they have Cal this week?

Speaker 2 (59:09):
No, no, no, no, Oregan's got Cal because they're on Pack
twelve network and.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
You have USC has this week.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Oh my gosh, they have a bye and then they
have no, they have Cal. They have Cal, USC has Cal.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Oh, yes, because Oregon plays at Utah. I'm thinking about
the following week.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Good lord.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
So so yeah, so can they get it? Is CAL
the get right game? Because it was funny because people
were acting like Utah was going to be the get
right game, And.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
As Josh Pate said, you don't get right versus Utah.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, I think you survived versus Utah. You don't get
right versus Utah.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
I think Cal is actually set up perfectly to give
USC some problems because it is at home. It's the
last time these two will play a conference game against
each other, so there's some incentive for some fans to
show up in Berkeley. And the stuff that Cal does
well offensively is going to be a problem for USC.

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The issue is are is Jake Spavotol offensively innovative enough
to do some of the stuff Kenny Dillingham was doing
with ASU to keep USC's defense kind of off schedule
and guessing because talent wise, they're not going to be
able to move the ball down the field with their quarterbacks.
So but this running game that Cal has, there's no

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reason why they can't limit the opportunities USC has on
offense and bleed the clock.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Oh, and then have a close game and then see
if you can pull one out that way. Now, Okay,
so now let's spend a little bit of time on
the winners. Bryce and Barnes fourteen for twenty three two
hundred and thirty five yards, three touchdown, and the biggest
rushing play of the game, that twenty six yards scramble

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at the end of the game to put him in
field goal range.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
And that wasn't even his top wasn't a top two
Bryson Burns play from this game.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
He was pretty damn good in this game. But at
the same time, you see how he's not like that.
This team would be so much better number number one.
If they weren't as beat up as they are.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah, if they weren't hurt like they are, bro, they
clearly would be undefeated at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
And yeah, this would be a major issue, bro, And
they would be in the top five right now.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Yep. And and Bryson Barnes, he had the run before
the run, which you and I talked about.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Yeah, the run before the run, Yeah, where he smacked,
he hurt the defender.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Knocked him out of the game, yep, literally knocked him
out of They had to take him out. And then
the throwmediately after the pick six that he threw because
the game was essentially over.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Yes, and then he gave them life with the pick six.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Yeah, and because they were in field goal range, they
were everything.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
And he was trying to They were trying to like
put the They were really trying to put the nail
on the coffin. This felt like Winningham got a little greedy,
a little bit greo, which you can't blame him for.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, dude, he was trying to put the He was
trying to embarrass them at that point.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Yeah, and so the pick six gets happens. And then
on the next play they go deep with Bryson Barnes
to Vaki. Yep, that was like that was that was
gussy man. And so he made enough plays. He impressed me. Vaky.
They gave him. I they gave him the ball once.

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And I don't know who twenty five is for USC.
I'm gonna do him the favor of not looking him up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
That's the freshman he uh, I think it is. I
want to say that this Curtis.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Name, I don't think we should say his name.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
It's tacking Curtis.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Well, well you're done said it. He looked stiff and
got if if if his ankles had the ability to bend,
they would have broken. It was bad man. That tackling
was bad. Pursuit was bad. My guy Anthony Lucas got
absolutely embarrassed on a siony. Vaki run to the outside

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where Lucas was supposed to keep contained. And I think
people just underestimate Vaki's speed. This kid's a freak man,
he really is. You shouldn't. It's one thing to do
what Travis Hunter is doing, but like safety and running.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Back, yes, yes, bro, that's that's a whole high school correct. Hey,
Vaki's out there killing and on that will route he
caught in the beginning of the game. Alex Great said
that he hadn't seen that on film, and then people,
the invest Twitter investigative reporters figured out it literally happened

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the previous game.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
The tough thing for anybody who's followed the Pac twelve
for any number of years is that that used to
be what USC murdered people on YEP whether and it
was through Kiffin, Sark Carroll that trio. They loved that
wheel route and they would run run it with a
fullback YEP and they would just kill people with it.
Carson Palmer used to throw it, Matt Lioner used to

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throw it, Mark Sanchez and so to have a USC
defensive coordinator up there talking about not being able to
anticipate a thing that USC was known for for such
a long time. Yeah, that was a rough Look. Yep,
I think Lincoln Riley picked the wrong person to protect
from the media.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
What do you what do you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
I think he put it. Probably should have put his
kids out there and not his defensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Oh well, he wasn't at practice, so he couldn't protect anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Oh and Cole Bishop who missed the first half of
this game with a targeting penalty. Bro, their defense was
fine without him, but once he got back, it was crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Can we talk.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
About that last week? You were usually the number one
person to like push back against all targeting dude.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Yes, yes, I didn't even bother it's it's frustrating. It's
frustrating watching it. Yeah, and yeah, this team is good.
This this Utah team is good. Like how they found
a way to win, that's the part that's incredible to me.

(01:05:51):
That's the part that dude. They're averaging twenty three points
a game and they're six and one. There's their third
worst in the conference, only behind Arizon on the State
and Stanford.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
Okay, you didn't have to bring that up. But I
appreciate it, appreciate your thoroughness.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
But it's but then they're only allowing fifteen points on
defense throughout the whole season, and they gave up thirty
two this game and still are only giving up fifteen
points a game for now second in the conference because
UCLA is just to tick better. I don't know how
this works, bro, Like this is this Oregon team versus Utah.

(01:06:30):
I don't know how this works.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
Oregon has good that they finally came out and said
no Cam rising this year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Yes, yes, it was time to stop. I mean everybody
already knew. Is the worst kept secret in the world.
Like if they haven't played by week eight, what apply
for the medical come back next.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Year or go to the draft? Those are your options
that distress.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
You just gotta if you're if you're Kyle winning him,
you gotta do a better job of protecting your player
from the stress of of of everybody asking him to come.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
I think I think he got tired of it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
That's probably what led to it is he was like, Bro,
we we need to just tell him because we're not
fooling anybody, and I'm tired of being asked about this.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
I just wanted to just you and I talked about
on the show the moment that the timetable dropped for
what was hurt and win? I said, why are we
what are we even doing? Can't cancel his full season? Yep?
Nine months out from a catastrophic knee injury, which means
that he was seven months out at PACK twelve media day.

(01:07:41):
What in the hell?

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Exactly like, can can you imagine Sean Livingston showing up
to oh the games? I'm sorry I brought his name up,
but Sean Livingston showing up the games back in the
day after his leg fell off in an NBA game
seven months afterwards, people, yeah, so are you playing today?
Two days later, so are you playing today? And the
next night on the second night of a back to back,
why aren't you out there yet?

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
But they were like, he's practicing. That's the thing about
he's practicing. No, he wasn't practicing. He was at practice.
There's there's a difference. There's a difference, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Last game up on the PAC twelve slate last weekend was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Arizona State Washington. This was a seven to three game
through three quarters zero. When it was zero zero at
the end of the first I was like, oh, okay,
I get it. Oregon Washington State was three to three whatever.
Then it was seven to three at the end of
the half.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
And I was like, uh who. Then it was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Seven to three at the end of the third and
I was like, oh my god, Washington might lose. And
and then it got d and Michael Pennix had two
interceptions and I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Was like, oh, this is a problem. Oh, this is
a major problem.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
And then going down into the four quarter, you had
Washington get a field goal, and then.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Arizona State is driving down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
There's twelve minutes and twenty eight seconds ago when they
got the ball, they get all the way down to
the to the Washington twelve bro to the Washington twelve
yard line, it's eight minutes and forty nine seconds to
go on the clock. If they kick a field goal

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right there, it's gonna be thirteen to six and Washington
that might as well have been three touchdowns. And then
it's fourth and three from the twelve. Everybody screaming, Kenny
kick a field goal, Kenny kick a field goal. And
then he doesn't pick six. And so the number one
question after the game, was Kenny, why didn't you kick

(01:09:55):
a field goal?

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Why didn't he kick a field goal?

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
Ralph couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
What do you mean he couldn't kick a field goal?

Speaker 4 (01:10:04):
Uh, the two reserve linemen going into this game that
both got hurt during the game. They made an attempt
earlier in the game to kick a field goal with
new people in the field and they missed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Yeah, well he didn't just miss it got blocked.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Yeah, so he didn't have the personnel to actually attempt
a field goal. But do you realize in the game,
he said, if you're three hundred and twenty pounds, then
you go to Arizona State come talk to me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
But do you realize how incredible I've never heard that
before in my life. Like, we couldn't we didn't have
the personnel to kick a field goal, and they weren't
talking about a hurt kicker.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
Do you realize it's it's not an excuse, it's not
an excuse. Like they went into this game that if
one more offensive lineman went down, they might not be
able to they might. I think they were putting a
They had a D lineman practicing with the O line.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Just case of emergency no.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
No, that's they just saw the hype that Travis Hunter
and Sioni Vaki were getting and they wanted to get
in on the edge. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
So, and then pick six happens. Arizona State punts Washington
adds another an insurance field goal.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Pick six was rough because ASU had marched all the
way down.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Yes, they had marched all the way down, and then
they still when they got the ball back with three
minutes and fifteen seconds left and they were down fifteen
to seven.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
I knew it was over. Yeah, I knew it was
over at the pick six.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
So I don't know if this is offline information and
I'm putting you on the spot, but I wondered if
you want to tell the people what you called and
told me about your internal struggle during this game.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Oh yeah, I'm fine with that. Yeah, Oh I had it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
It was like my NC doublea bracket and when I see,
you know, when I picked Kentucky to win and get
to the sweet sixteen, But then here comes Saint Peter's
at the end of the game, and you're like, hey, yo,
they might win, and then you let then you start
rooting fort Saint Peter's. So on one hand, I was like,
I can't afford for Washington to lose, like Oregon cannot

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afford for Washington to lose to Arizona State, if they
lose to USC whatever, But they cannot lose to Arizona State.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
But then I was like, that is the major Huskies,
So they die. They died.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
I didn't know what the hell I wanted, but I
was happy that they didn't lose. But then I was
like wanted to throw up in like for Arizona State.
I could not have felt worse for Arizona State. And
I don't feel bad for anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Because i'ma be honest man. They whooped Washington's ass, They
really did. Brian Ward put together the game plan of
a lifetime. Offensively, Arizona State outgain Washington protected the ball better.
They had a plus three. They were plus eighty in
total yards plus three in turnovers.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
How much do you think it had to do with
Michael Pennick's being hurt from the from the Oregon game.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
I don't know, man. I think Brian Ward just put
together one of the best defensive plans we've seen in
a long time, which is crazy because Brian Ward was
at Washington State last year and Michael Pennis went hard
in the paint on that Washington State defense over fifty
points and seven hundred yards.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Yeah, there, Longe, that's not Washington style.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
No, but I know, I think if you watched the
game and you did, Arizona State outplayed Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
By far, by far. They were a field goal attempt
away from a win.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
And uh, it reminded me of a big Game of
Thrones fan. You watch Game of Thrones, yep, it reminded
me very much of the overra in Martell versus the
Mountain fight scene, where like you have like the biggest,
baddest character in all of Game of Thrones going up
against like the fanciest, quickest right and the fanciest quickest

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beat the living hell out of the mountain, And when
they had the opportunity to kill them, instead they played
with their food, got tripped, got their skull crushed, and
died instantly. And I was very much feeling like my
school got crushed. At about two in the morning, I
did a show that didn't end till three thirty and
I sat in my chair just standing at my computer

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for another hour and a half afterward, Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Because that's the worst when you can't believe you lost.
And that's the beauty of college football because on one minute,
you could never feel more alive like Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Arizona State could not have felt.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
More alive for like forty eight minutes and then they
wanted to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Die for Yeah. And I'll tell you, Washington fans, the
best thing to come out of this game for Washington
fans is that you will never have to see us
ever again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Yeah, because Arizona State has wrecked their seasons a few times.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
It's like Oregon and Stanford a.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Few hundred times, Like we own them and they know
that and we know that. And it's very weird to
have ownership over a school that like maybe you shouldn't,
but we we did. We've ruined it. We almost ruined
it again. We almost cost ourselves five hundred thousand dollars.

(01:15:38):
That is funny because that would have been our portion
of the college football payout.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Hey man, y'all, Hey, I love it. I love it,
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
What do you think of the I mean, I personally
think it's it's matchups, right, you always talk about how
it's matchups. I don't see Washington being in trouble. I
don't see them being in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
They just feel like every other team in college football
right now. They're all vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
There's nobody that you look at and you're like, oh,
they can't be beat nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
All right, now it's time for our PAC twelve power rankings.
I did not send them to Ralph ahead of time
on purpose because I wanted to get Ralph's reaction. All right, So, Ralph,
are you ready?

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
I am?

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
How ready are you?

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Last week we had Arizona State at twelve, and we
just kept on talking about Arizona State sucking against what
was the number one team, and so emotionally, I'm not
in a good place, but I'm ready for this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Okay. Number one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Washington Huskies, even though I wanted to put Oregon one, won't.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
Or Washington yes, but they won. We got to honor that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Yes, correct, Number one Washington Huskies.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Number two Oregon Ducks, even though we think they're better. Listen,
you cannot ignore what the results of games.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Number three Oregon State, and stop me if you need
to change one. Number four Utah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Number Thank you for putting Oregon State above Utah. By
the way, because not every AP voter did that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
That's literally their only loss.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Thirteen of them did not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Yeah. Number four Utah, number five UCLA, huh okay, Number
six USC?

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Okay, would you like to make a change there, I'm
thinking about it. Keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Number seven, Arizona, number eight, Colorado nine, Washington State ten,
Arizona State. Whoa, I think they're better than cal at
number eleven and Stanford twelve. Stanford stinks, bro They got

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lucky and beat Colorado.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
All right, cal beat us, And if we're being consistent,
I might flip that one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Okay, Okay, that's that's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
And I would like to also use my second flip,
not the USC UCLA, but I would like to use
it on Colorado Washington State because I'm just thinking about
the two of them playing right now and who I
would expect to come out. And if Michael Pennix is

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thrown for four hundred and thirty eight yards and no
interceptions against Oregon, you might as well put a one
in front of that. Against Colorado, this is gonna be
fourteen hundred and thirty eight yards.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Oh you you you make can cam Ward?

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
Cam Ward my bad?

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Yeah, I was about to say, because Pennick's definitely threw
an interception.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
So I still have Washington on my brain.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Okay, I am not going to that one. I want
to flip back, but I will accept it because that
Colorado Stanford collapse is still the last thing that's fresh
in our minds.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Well, so UCLA was up twenty eight to nothing and
you were like, well, here it comes, and nope, it
never did it. Never did they They they held Stanford
down in the mud and finished them off. I don't
know if you saw this Tiger Bachmeyer, Yes, probably the
best hair in college of sports.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
His brother, his brother has hair like that too.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Yeah. Yeah, are they all? Are they all the same
family members of hair?

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:19:49):
Yeah, okay, these kids can play man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Yeah. The other bears a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
So Bachmeyer put braids in. If you saw that, he
scored Stanford's only touchdown, and then they did the zoom
in on him and he had like the long like
like fifty ponytails going on fifty French braided ponytails.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Okay, that's a that's a choice.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
You're you're like, you're you're very anti long hair.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
No, I'm not. I have a kid with long hair.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
Is that what changed your mind?

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Maybe?

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
Maybe Okay, how do you feel about John Moran's long hair.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
For an NBA superstar? You've never seen an NBA superstar
with hair that you have to put in a ponytail.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
You have not is is?

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
I feel like Jimmy Butler's out here targeting you with
the stuff that he does.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Jimmy Butler is not a superstar. First and four, I
love that he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
He's a very good player, excellent, Like he's as close
as you can get to a superstar without being a
superstar because he doesn't play. Nope, I mean it might
might might play into it. All right, So the first
thing is, let's go with the first game, because Oregon
plays first. Again, Oregon at Utah and Rice Echos, Buddy,

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this game went from this uh spread and played from
three and a half. It got up as high as
seven I think. But Oregon is a six and a
half point favorite over under forty seven and a half.
Ralph bow Nicks versus Bryson Barnes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
Who you got over, I'm gonna take the over. Okay, Uh,
the energy of this stadium is gonna be so crazy
if Oregon gets the ball first and has to like
punt or something.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Yes, Oregon.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Oregon has to either get a stop or score on
the first drive. Yep, with you, that's the that's the
only way that you are going to be able to
stretch this out.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
If Oregon gets the ball first and then somehow gets
hit for a safety and at any point this game
is too nothing. You might be in the presence of
the loudest college football game of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Dad, oh Well, I brought out Washington Oregon game. From
people who were there, Peyton, other people I know, they
said that was the most like literally may have been
the best college football environment that they've ever been at.
Like I love it was top top three all time.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
More come out more because the Pac twelve kind of
gets a bad rap. But when when when Arizona Stadium
sold out, when Sundeville Stadium sold out, they get real
crazy fulsome field when when everybody's packed in there is
fantastic And Washington, Oregon, Washington State and specifically Utah, those

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four I would put those environments up against anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Oh yes, yes, oh I'm putting yes, I'm putting Washington, Oregon,
Utah and up against anybody anybody. And if Colorado were
like six and one right now, I would put them
in there.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Too, for sure, for sure, but yeah, this could get
real crazy. I want my head, says Oregon should be
able to on talent alone. But like, weren't we in
the same We're in the same.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Yeah, but these teams ain't coach the same. These teams
ain't These teams ain't built the same. They're not.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
And you're not going to get the yardage that Washington
State got. That's not happening.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
No. I like Oregon minus ten in this game.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Oh yeah, I would take this at twelve and a half. Thirteen.
Thirteen would be the most because you could end up
with touchdown two to fill. Thirteen is the absolute most.

Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
But yeah, okay, if you like it that much, I'll go.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
I feel I feel very confident about this game. Very
confident about this game.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
Oh, because Oregon doesn't have to spend time pretending like
they're game planning for cam Rising.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Yes, correct, correct, And they are going to put Bryce
and Barnes in a trick bag. And as long as
they can stop the run, Oregon will be fine. If
Utah manages to run the football it is and can
stay in like third and two, third and three, it's
gonna be a problem.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
Okay, I'll go with you on both ends. Wait did
you say over?

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Yeah, I'm taking it over all right, I'm with you.
This game ends up like either thirty two or thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
Two?

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Wait, twenty one, thirty four? No, in between thirty four
and thirty eight to like seventeen okay or twenty somewhere
around there.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Shout out to College Game Day for making what was
the obvious choice, but a very.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Good the obvious choice, especially after they beat Utah because
they and so. But this could be a blowout game.
It could be.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Next game up USC at Cal. Have you looked at
this line yet?

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
I have not.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
What would you imagine the line.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Would be for USC against col a lowly three and
four Cal team which lost to Auburn.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
On the road. Right, yes, eight and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
It's my guess, damn you, you're lower than I would
have thought it would have been. Out of gave them
at least two touchdowns, But it's minus eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
That's gonna be tough.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
And the over under a sixty eight bro So that
means that they believe that Cow will be able to
score points because sixty eight divided by two is thirty
four and to cover, so minus thirty four.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Plus six minus five, so forty to twenty nine. Yes,
forty twenty eight forty yep. Yeah. Does Cal know that
they're supposed to score.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
I don't. I don't know anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Tell Did anybody tell Cal.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
That they're supposed to score a lot of points? I
don't know if anybody told them this.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
We had a bunch of people over at my house
this last Sunday and it was just like very clear
that nobody communicated with each other. Yeah, and it was like, Hey,
do these people know that they're coming over and they're
supposed to be bringing these things? Like we got to
ask these questions like does Cal know that they're supposed
to go out there and score a bunch of points?
According to Vegas?

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Yes, correct, that they're supposed to score damn near thirty points.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
Wow? Uh? What has what have people done positively against
Cal's defense this year? By the way, their middle line
backers out for the season.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
All right, well that's not good. So Arizona State scored
twenty one points against Cal, Oregon State scored fifty two,
but they gave up forty and then Cal had a
week has a there Cow's coming off a bye week

(01:27:24):
and they lost to Utah thirty four to fourteen.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
I think this is gonna be a little bit of
a scare for USC. I think USC wins, but ten
points for me maybe makes sense. Like a thirty four
to twenty four, which is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
A Utah ran for three. D oh Jesus Utah ran
for fifty three for three seventeen and four touchdowns against Cal.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
Does USC know that that's possible?

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Probably not.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
This is a terrible matchup for both teams. If I
must say, I would not surprise me if it ended
up being like ten to three, just because neither team
actually did the things that would work. Give I'll say
this to whoever ends up being the head coach at
USC this week. Give a quarterback a break.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Well, dj Uyongalle in the game through for nineteen for
twenty five for two seventy five and five touchdowns. But
then they also rushed the ball forty three times for
two hundred and three yards.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
Geez, give me thirty three twenty four. That's the under.
Right call on the under is what I'm on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Okay, I'm taking callen the under as well. Damn Shane
won't trust ul USC like that, all right, Next thing up,
Colorado at UCLA. Colorado's coming off of bye week. Ucla,
what do you think the line on this game is?
I think you're gonna be shocked at this one.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
I personally, if I was setting this line, it would
be a two. It would be two almost two scores.
It'd be thirteen and a half if I was setting
the line, because I know the type of football that
UCLA plays, and it is the worst possible matchup for
Colorade of everyone in the whole conference. Is the worst
matchup that you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Could worse than worse than Oregon. They won forty two
to six.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
Yes, worse than Oregon because of the way that Oregon
runs their offense. If Chip Kelly might not throw.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Chip Kelly is disciplined enough to not really throw this ball,
wax he he didn't against Oregon State. But the line
is seventeen Ucla minus seventeen. Well, that's a lot yep
over under sixty three and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Where this is in La, yep, at the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Cool deon goes to La That's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
The grand daddy of them all.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
Give me Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
I'm taking Colorado plus seventeen two. I don't think Colorado wins.
Seventeen is a lot of points though, And.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Yeah, I don't even think it's wise to take Colorado.
I just want to see them have a good time
in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Sixty sixty three fills wild. Yeah, so that's so, that's
thirty two. Essentially, thirty two plus nine is forty one
minus eight is twenty four. So forty one to I
said forty one to twenty four, forty one to twenty four.

(01:30:49):
I think color Damn UCLA's defense is really good. Yeah,
this could get nasty, but I'm still gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
Use Ucla third eight Colorado thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Oh god, I don't think it's gonna be that close.
I don't think it's gonna be that close.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
I'm gonna take the under, but I think that Colorado
plus seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
Next gam Shame that this is Dion's only trip to LA.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Uh, next game up, Washington plus twenty six and a
half over under sixty at.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
Stanford minus twenty six and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
Yeah, yeah that much.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
Damn Stanford got healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Yeah Stanford min Stanford plus twenty six and a half
Washington minus Sidney six and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
I'm I'm taking Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
I think it's a thirty five point win.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
I'm not. I'm taking Stanford. What's the what's the over
under sixty? They're not hitting that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
I'm taking the over and I am taking Stanford. Wow,
this feels lock of the week, bro, This feels lock
of the week.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
All right, mind you, Washington's defense just gave up seven.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Point but New's office is terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Oh how's Stanford doing? Terrible? Just what better version of terrible?

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Yeah? But I do think that they're gonna hit some
third downs, those little silly runs. Oh god, you you're
actually talking me out of it. But that's all right.
It definitely will not be my lock of the week.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Now Washington Stanford beats Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
I they're not gonna beat them. But but it may
only be like a seventeen to twenty point.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
Win only all right, I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Oh, Washington State at Arizona State Washington minus six. This
feels like a trick bag to me, buddy. This is
one of those games where cam Ward holds the ball
all over the place. This will be a over under
fifty one. I'm taking the under, and part of me

(01:33:10):
wants to take Arizona State but I think Washington State
ends up winning by a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
But just barely.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
This is this is a potential money line here, buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
This is an extremely important game for Arizona State. Wow,
because two years ago Jake Dickart took over Washington State
as they were heading into Tempee for reasons that we
detailed in season two of this podcast that we will
not get back into. But you can google Washington State

(01:33:43):
Pat chun COVID lawsuit and figure out how Jake Dickert
got this job. So Jake Dickert takes over and Washington
State comes into Tempe, Arizona State is embroiled in a
scandal of its own. And you know Arizona State football.

(01:34:04):
If anything is important in Arizona State football, it's the
nineteen ninety six Rose Bowl team. Jake Plumber, Pat Tillman,
a host of others, and they were back to visit
and to be honored in front of the nineteen ninety
six Rose Bowl team.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember you talking about this. I
do remember this because you were not happy about that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
No. It so so against against Washington State in Jake
Dickert's first game, I think in a game where ASU
was favored, and Jaden Daniels was at quarterback, and ASU
had NFL players all over the field as you got
their ass beat so bad in such an embarrassing fashion
that the fans actually bowed the players. What yeah, so

(01:34:54):
like the fans the fans stack't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Do you were so mad that day.

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
I had players calling me that don't usually call me
that were like, I'm I don't want to play for
this school anymore. I don't like. It was bad. It
was really really bad. And then I talked to people
who were on the nineteen ninety six Rose Bowl team.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
So so Ralph, so.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
This is a very by all that said, this is
a very important game for Arizona State. This is a
get back game.

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
Yes, yeah, well because one of the main things is
that the Rose bull team offered to go talk to
the player's pregame and herm was like, no, we're good.
Can you imagine? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
No, like that would that would be insane.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
You're like, you imagine Joey Harrington's coming back and saying like, hey,
is it cool if I pop in and just give
a couple words of encouragement and Dan Letting being like, nah, dude,
we're good. Yep, So that's what happened. So so the uh,
the players played like garbage, the coaching staff disrespected the
most legendary team, and the fans got on the players

(01:36:04):
in a way that I've never seen before in Sundeville Stadium. So,
and it happened against Washington State. So in my opinion,
Arizona State fans kind of owe the players one. The players, oh,
the fans won and uh and so they got to
show makes sense, they have to show up in this game.
That being said, I think I circled this game at
the beginning of the season as a game that they

(01:36:25):
were going to lose. So because I don't think Arizona
State has the ability to exploit Washington State's lack of
size on defense. Yeah, because they don't even have the
ability to kick a field goal.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
All right, So who are you taking in this game?
What's the over under fifty one Washington State minus six.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
Under.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
I'm taking the under as well.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
Give me the Koogs by a field goal, so that
that's asu covering. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Oh, I actually don't hate that, even though I took
Washington State. That was a tricky one.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
They are trying to collect like fifteen different one score
losses this year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
Last game up Oregon number eleven, Oregon State at Arizona.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
Game of the week outside of Oregon Utah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Oh yeah, yes, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
So you kind of you personally kind of need Oregon
State to win this game, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
You, Yes, I do, But I don't even really care,
I because because part of me really wants Arizona to
do well.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
They're like the lovable you know, They're like they're like,
you know, the perfect people you root for right now, had.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
You been a Fafita fan since he was like sixteen?

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
So yes, I like Buffeeda, I like TVAC. I like
the coaching staff down there at Arizona, like.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Shut out to Arizona for getting roped into this Connor
Stallion's stuff. Not in a way that implicates that they
did anything wrong, but I guess Connor Stallions was stationed
in in California and would drive to Tucson and he
was like helping Jed Fish put together his proposal to
be the coach and help the chief of staff build

(01:38:21):
up the the I guess he claimed to help them
build the roster.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Initially, yeah, hey man, Connor Stallion's got his hands in
all sorts of buckets.

Speaker 4 (01:38:31):
Buddy, I like him. I just want to publicly say
that I think I like Connor Stallions. I think he's
a self starter and I want to do He's a
go getter.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
He's a go getter.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
I don't I got no problem with I need all
sorts of Connor Stallions on my team.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Just don't do anything that's gonna get me fired. All right, right, exactly,
all right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Oregon State minus three and a half over under fifty
six and a half. I am looking forward to this
game so much. Number one thing, who is star get
quarterback for Arizona. It better not be Jaden Delora.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Better not be.

Speaker 4 (01:39:07):
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because I'm the
only person on Earth that's like, well, you shouldn't lose
a starting job to injury.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
What how old are you?

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
Grow up?

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Peter Pan.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
I think it's just that I'm taking Jetfish at his word.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Peter Pan, you need to grow up, buddy, because that
is absolute garbage. You yes, you can.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
I know that it's not ideal to lose a starting
spot to injury.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
But it's real, bro, It's real. And it happens all
the time.

Speaker 4 (01:39:45):
I don't know. That was probably a high ankle sprain.
We're like five weeks out. I think you could afford
to sit him again. You don't want to. You don't
want him to.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
If you sit him again and you win, it's over pal.

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
Then that's not injury, that's performance.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
What are you talking about? He's already outperformed him.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
But Jaden Dolaura is not fully healthy. I know how
stupid this sounds, but if he's injured, then he hasn't
been wally pipped yet. The wally pipping is when it's
two fully healthy quarterbacks and you choose one over the other.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
Right, I guess, bro, this is not ideal. I'm just worrying.

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
So but you're saying that it's already happened. I think, yes,
all right, all right, I I'm fine with it. Doesn't
hurt my feelings that Jaden Dolaura is not the starting
quarterback at Arizona. That doesn't bother me at all. But
I just if he's not fully healthy, then it hasn't
happened in my opinion. Then if you're still dealing with

(01:40:55):
a situation where you you haven't fully made the decision,
and you're leaving the door open for Noah Fida to
have a bad game and change your mind. What Youah
is named the starting quarterback. We can't do this again.
It's got to be over. It can't be like the
Dante more Ethan garbage situation.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
Well, that's true. That's a.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
That's a fair point too, because if you do that,
all you're gonna do is cause more confusion for yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Does know I have permission to have a bad game
because if he doesn't, then.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
He's not your starter.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
Yes, look at me making sense?

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Hey, that's a that's a lot of sense right there, Ralph.
I must, I must say. That's more sense than I
care to hear at that point.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
But but you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
Hey, you have.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
Yeah, if he doesn't, if he can't have a bad game,
then he's not your starter. But if he can have
a bad game, then yes, he is your starter.

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
It's crazy how important this game is. If Arizona wins,
how wins? Will that give them?

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
They'll give them six? No, no, no five, that'll give them five.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
And they got Arizona State left, so they got a
legit shot to get Bowl eligible. And they got Colorado
UCLA and Utah left, which are not unwinnable.

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
Games, but they're not gimmes.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
No, no, they're not. Game is like yes, because if
they can get this game, they're gonna get Bowl eligible
because they're gonna beat Arizona State.

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
And we're talking about Jetfish year three, middle of the schedule,
five straight ranked opponents, because I think UCLA's gonna win.
So five straight ranked opponents.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
And if you can get two of them and the
other two were one score losses.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Oh bro, that's the thing is they're not getting their
doors blown off. No, like that's the thing. And they
shouldn't have lost that Mississippi State game, Like this should
be a team that should is five and two right now.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
Yeah, and I see, I don't even think they should
have lost the USC had they gone for two in
the first overtime and or did not make the weird
pitch in the third. Here's a deal, you you might
as well if they get one of the next two games,
you might as well give Jetfish one of those Justin
Wilcox extensions.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Yeah yeah, even though it will just extend.

Speaker 4 (01:43:27):
Yeah. Just Willcox had two years left on his contract,
a losing record, and they gave him four more years
on top of it, and they still owe him twenty
million dollars and he hasn't even started the extension period
of that contract yet. That starts next year. If Jetfish
wins one of these two games, you should do some
financially irresponsible stuff in my opinion as President Robert Robinson.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
Okay, br you're you're going straight to the do irresponsible stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
Okay. I am pretty good at spending other people's money,
if I do say so myself.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
All right, yeah, well you guys, that's the end to
pack twelve apostles for today.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
Oh no, no, no, you're gonna announce your victory, mister
Carson Steele.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Oh yes, yes, Oh my god, I forgot. Yes, it
is back tied up. Your boy is in the building?
Is six to six away? What's it?

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
What score? Now? Six to six? And our our Player
of the week contest, which is survival style, so you
pick a player that you haven't picked before and we
go head to head. Whoever has the better game you
get points. If it's a quarterback one point, skill position
two points, defensive player three. You went up four to nothing.
I took a six to four lead over the next
few weeks and now we are currently at six to six.

(01:44:42):
I took elk Ioman or you took Carson Steel. Carson
Steele hit three touchdowns. I wasn't gonna win that one, yep.
And I almost let you pick. You picked Colin Schlee,
and I shouldn't have said anything because you picked the
wrong white person.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
With long air.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
So so who are you going? Who are you going
with this week? To try to take a lead.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
If I picked this dude, he's for sure to let
me down.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
But if I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
Roman duns Yeah, yep, no, Affida, I almost picked him.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
That's fine because I'll root for him. I would rather lose.
I would rather lose and know a f a feeda
ball out than the alternative.

Speaker 4 (01:45:41):
All right, you can be rooting for Washington.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
No, I'm not rooting for Washington. I'm just rooting for
Roma Dunsa to go off. Actually, I don't even have
to root for that. That just that just happens. That
just takes care of itself.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
It just happens.

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
Yes, I didn't want this, It just had and you guys,
this podcast just happened. And I thank you for your time.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
I thank you for your energy, because your time's most
valuable thing that you have. Appreciate you spending en us
here on the PAC twelve Apostles, Peace out cat you
guys later here until we die.

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