December 7, 2021 • 31 mins
In the affluent community of Dunwoody, Georgia, Rusty and Andrea Sneiderman looked like they had it all- adorable children, loving marriage, rewarding careers. But after a tragic event in a daycare parking lot, the family’s once picture perfect image begins to crack. As the investigation continues, no one could possibly imagine that the likes of Barry White and Olivia Newton-John would become key to the grizzly mystery.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Crazy in Love is the true crime podcast that tells
love stories with a twist. This crime was really shocking,
and it was so shocking that initially people who witnessed
it thought maybe like a movie was being filmed or something.
Sometimes the twist of a knife, it's like this very
specific story that either it's so crazy that it has
to be sure, or it's so crazy that it's unbelievable.
(00:25):
Just because things start off with once upon a Time
doesn't mean everyone lives happily ever after. This is Crazy
in Love, a production of Katie Studios and I Heart Radio.
I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at Katie Studios, joined
by fellow producers Stephanie Ledecker, Jeff Shane, and Beth Greenwald.
(00:49):
We've all worked for years on various crime podcast and
TV series. As crime producers, we talked murder all the time.
One thing we've noticed is just how many of them
stem from love. In this episode, we're exploring the case
of the daycare, the affair, and the cover up. While
attending Indiana University, Rusty Sniderman meant Andrea Greenberg at the
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local Jewish Hillelle. The pair immediately hit it off. According
to Rusty's college roommate and best friend, Andrea was the
typical nice Jewish girl from the suburbs. She was smart, ambitious,
had goals, and it was clear to everyone that they
were destined to be together. After graduating college, the couple
moved into a small Chicago apartment, despite her parents protesting
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against living together before marriage. Andrea was adamant they belonged
together and it didn't matter since they were going to
get married sooner or later. Rusty was doing well financially
and started to set money aside for what he called
the ring Fund. Andrea was over the moon. She picked
out a design for an engagement ring and Rusty ordered it.
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The only surprise for her was when it would happen.
Rusty ended up proposing in two thousand while they vacationed
in Orange County, California. On December thirty, two thousand, the
pair tith and not in the ceremony in the same
Florida synagogue Andrea's grandparents co founded. Friends and family described
them as a solid team. Rusty sister said Andrea was
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a good match for Rusty since she was warm and sincere.
Everyone had a great feeling about the couple and thought
they would grow all together. Here's stef A. Lot of
the stories we talked about are kind of whirlwind romances
where they get married rather quickly or get together rather quickly.
You know, they were together for seven years before he
even proposed, so they definitely took the time to get
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to know each other and laid the groundwork for what
we could see as and what other people who knew
them would see as an everlasting relationship. Here's Beth. Yeah,
you know, spending that time, you really get to know
someone to the core, and they had a strong foundation,
started a family, and was able to take the time
to really invest in what he wanted to do with
his entre an iorish spirit and with what Andrew wanted
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to do with her wife. Here's Stephanie. Beth, Jeff and
I were just discussing the fact that this case was
particularly troublesome because again, from the outside, it all looked
rather perfect. There didn't seem to be some sort of
crack in their relationship. After Rusty earned an NBA at Harvard,
the newlyweds moved to the idyllic Atlanta suburb of Dunwoodie
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to start a family. The gated community. Welcome sign reads
smart city, Smart People. The quiet suburb is dotted with
large brick homes, tennis courts, churches, and private schools. The
pair had two children, and Rusty was a great father.
He would play for hours with his children while Andrew
attended to the house. At thirty six years old, Rusty
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had a lot to be proud of. He had a
successful business, a loving wife, and a beautiful home. When
the kids were two and five years old, Andrew took
a job at General Electric in the engineering department. Rusty
supported this wholeheartedly. Here's Stephanie. Yeah, I mean he kind
of was ahead of his time. Rusty started his business
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and really was onto something that we now know is
a big piece of social media. Yeah. I was super
surprised because he was so successful in finance and to
kind of walk away from that to become an entrepreneur stuff.
I mean, to go into business for yourself is not easy.
But his startup was a great idea. I mean it
was this company where a celebrity can do an outgoing
voicemail message for your cell phone and you know, pay
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a small fee, and it was really catching on. And
to be honest with you, It's kind of like Cameo
before there was Cameo, which is, as we all know now,
a huge company, a huge company, and that afforded them
the ability to go move to the suburbs by a
beautiful home. They lived in this perfect suburb and as
neighbors have said, they seemed like a couple who had
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everything going for them. Yeah, it's kind of like the
movie that Truman Shall you've ever seen at this very
perfect ideal that k and community in the suburb of Dunwoodie.
Welcome sign literally read smart city, smart people. It's dotted
with large brick holms, tennis courts, churches, private schools, and
the Senterman's kind of lived in the Crimbdale crime of
the neighborhood, in a million dollar home in a quiet
cul de sac. And once they got there, Andrea and
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Rusty really integrated themselves. They volunteered at the Jewish organizations
and other charitable events, and people to notice it seems
like a family you'd want to live next door to.
While the family moved to the suburbs for security and safety,
that was all taken away from them one tragic morning
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on November eighteen, Rusty drove his two year old son's
daycare and dropped him off at nine fifteen am. As
Rusty walked back to his car, a man came up
to him and shot him several times, with shocked parents, teachers,
and children watching. The shooter then ran back to a
light colored minivan and disappeared. Rusty Snyderman died and route
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to the hospital Dunwood. He was an idyllic, safe suburbs,
so this crime was really shocking, and it was so
shocking that initially people who witnessed it thought maybe like
a movie was being filmed or something, because it was
so unbelievable. But witnesses did recall some of the details
what they saw because it was just such a memorable thing.
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They said that the shooter had on glasses and what
most witnesses described as a fake beard. He was so
big and bushy. But no one recognized the shooter. And
there was a couple of other really distinct odd things
that happened, you know. Initially, the teacher at the preschool
called Andrea and told her there had been a hideous
accident and that Rusty was on his way to the hospital,
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and she of course went there, and the parents of
the school and the doctors and the nurses, they all
sort of had the same note about Andrea because when
she came to the hospital knowing that Rusty was potentially
fighting for his life, we now know at this point
he will we had passed. She wasn't even crying. She
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had literally zero reaction, which some thought maybe she was
in shock. And also worth noting she had a psychiatrist
talked to her children and tell them about their father's death.
She did not want to look them in the eye
and do that herself. So obviously, Rusty's death was a
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horrible tragedy, but as officials were kind of figuring out
what happened, they started to look at things that happened
to the family prior to the death, which would kind
of end up being this ominous foreshadowing of what would
occur at the school. There were a couple of weird
instances that now couldn't be ignored. First three weeks before
the murder, the garage door opened in the middle of
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the night without any explanation at the Snyderman house. When
Rusty went to check it out, nothing had been stolen,
and it didn't appear anyone even entered the home, but
it was weird and police filed the report, but nothing
came of it. Then two weeks later, just one week
before the murder, Rusty was getting ready to take his
son to daycare, as he did every day, and he
thought he smelled gas, so he walked around to the
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side of the house to check the meter and he
saw a man lying face down on the ground near
the air conditioning unit, and you know, startled. He called
out to the guy to see if he was okay,
and the man who was lying out immediately stood up
and took off running, and Rusty, you know, ran inside
and called nine one one and told them what happened,
and that he also spotted what he thought was a
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gun in the man's back pocket. Unfortunately, he couldn't identify
this guy, but it was obviously very unsettling to the family.
But again nothing happened. Police never were able to make
an arrest. A week later, he's done dead in the
parking lot. These two things just couldn't be ignored. Looking
at this objectively, I'm sure officials could not imagine that
anybody who was close to Rusty would ever put their
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children in the line of fire. You know, he was
shot basically bringing his child to school at a daycare
that he knew everybody, So it just seemed unusual that
anybody who was close to him specifically would want to
bring harm to his children as well or the other
children at the school. I think this was also hard
for people to wrap their head around because Dunwoodie was
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such a safe community. So you know, first it's the
garage door, then it's someone maybe fussing with the gas,
and then it's literally shooting someone dead in the parking
lot of a school. This doesn't happen in a place
like Dunwoody, and so I think people were just so
shocked and had no idea what could possibly be happening.
And Rusty had done all the right things. He alerted police.
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He you know, was on record, there was a report
on all of these incidences. Probably in retrospect, maybe there
was more to be done, but you know, to some
degree it seemed as though he was being hunted, And
I wonder if it was just because it's hard to
believe in this town where it's not a crime ridden neighborhood,
but suddenly you have these instances that maybe they brushed
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it off, but obviously was something very serious that ultimately
led to Rusty's demise. Following the murder, police started there investigation. Initially,
Andrea told investigators that Rusty's business dealings could be at
the heart of the crime, but a look into his
finances and talks with his business partners didn't set off
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any alarms. Police asked Andrea if there was anyone in
her life who would try to separate them as a couple.
She hesitantly answered yes and now. When pressed for details,
Andrea said that her boss at GE, a man named
Hemmy Newman, was very flirty with her, almost to the
point of infatuation. Andrea and Hemmy's co workers seemed to
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agree that there was something going on. Hemmy seemed to
dote on Andrea. She'd only been at g for eight months,
but she was promoted ahead of people who had worked
there for years. Meanwhile, police continued to hunt down the
driver of the minivan. Investigators realized they caught a lucky
break when looking at footage from nearby security cameras. It
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turns out the daycare had their own camera that faced
the parking lot. While they were unfortunately unable to make
out the license plate, the camera did indeed catch the
killers speeding out of the lot. Unable to decipher the
make and model themselves, police sent screenshots of the video
to various engineers who worked at car companies. One of
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those engineers was able to identify the silver vehicle as
a Kia Sedona minivan. Police tracked down the eleven people
in the state of Georgia who owned one. Ten had alibis,
and the eleventh was a car rental company. The car
company hands it over their logs to authorities, and quickly
please zeroed in on the familiar name. Henny Newman, Andrea's
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flirty boss at ge had rented the Kia Sadona minivan
the day of the murder. During Hemmy's initial interrogation, he
remained eerily calm. Here's a portion of the interrogation I'm
getting out to. You've got a heart got so he
was there and invested that shot. Now, Anny, you were there.
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It's not a man. Huh ja you are. I don't
see how, I don't know what. I'm not there. I
don't want it. I can't explain the van. And until
the stag bottels I did not shoot, trusting you, I
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was not. I did not the trigger. So there's a
lot to unpack here. Also really speaks to the importance
of having security cameras around our house. It's amazing how
much diligent investigative work happens as a result. So, yeah,
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we know that Henny came back from a family vacation
in Florida. Police brought him in for interrogation and he
denies everything. But bottom line, this van really seemed like
too much of a coincidence to not be tied to Henny,
and they really did believe they had their guy. Yeah,
and as they continued to investigate him, because how could
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they not, his motive became clear. So they start to
look at Hemmy's connection to the family. Obviously it's Andrea.
And what they find is that this office flirtation crushed
as she described it, might have actually been a little
more reciprocated than she described originally. Prior to the murder,
Andrey and Hemmy were very close working colleagues. They would
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travel the world together for business, from like Tahoe to Scotland.
They kind of saw it all and according to one
of Hemmy's closest friends, Hemmy was quote unquote obsessed with Andrea.
When police were talking to potential witnesses at the places
they would travel together. They spoke to one bartender in
South Carolina at a resort where they had stayed, and
she told them that she remembered Andrea and Hemmy coming
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into the bar and that they were all over each other,
flirting and kissing and dancing. She thought they looked like
a newly one cup ball. Yeah, Jeff, And so now
they had Hemmy in the van, that are hearing all
this information about, you know, Hemmy and Andrea traveling together
for business. So when the police pulled their cell phone records,
there were over four calls and texts between Hemmy and
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Andrea um and some of these texts were really incriminating.
They were, you know, saying things like I want to
raise your kids, I want to marry you. And Andrew
was still denying despite this mountain of evidence that was
starting to develop. There were also emails between them about
trips that they planned to go on and how scandalous
it would be if anyone found out that they were
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together on these business trips, and one email in particular,
Andrea says that she had betrayed everyone she knows and
has to repent and when the authorities asked her about that.
Andreas said that all she and Hemmy had ever done
was hold hands, which seems highly unlikely given I want
to marry you, I want to raise your kids. Yeah.
I mean remember though, like Andrea is a very good
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Jewish girl, as she's been describing, So maybe she did
just feel guilty about holding his hand. That could be
something that someone who's traditional and religious would feel guilty about,
would have to repent over, as she says, But we
do know that there are accounts of that not being
a case, as suggested by the woman at the bar
who saw them looking like newly Woods. We're going to
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take a quick break. We'll be back in just a moment.
Andrea had tried to say that Hemmy was kind of
had an obsessive fondness for her, But it doesn't seem
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like Andrew was putting up boundaries. It seemed like Andrea
was also flirting back with him, and it seemed like
there was some sort of inappropriate relationship there. Yeah, Hemmy
was married, had kids of his own, and you know,
when the police talked to his wife, she's hold them
that she knew Hemmy was having an affair with Andrea.
In her Gutch knew it the whole time. It kind
of seems like this, you know, ge affair they were
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having was the company's worst kept secret. Everyone knew it,
they were very public about it. Whether or not Rusty knew,
will never know. And to that end, you know, by
all accounts to Andrea was a pretty reserved woman. This was,
you know, seemingly very out of character for her, So
it was hard for people to believe. Hemmy turned out
maybe to be a little bit like the boss from hell.
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He was described as those who worked for him as absorbed, abrasive,
and arrogant, always making sure that he was presenting himself
as the smartest man in the room. And for Andrea,
who you know, she's been with Rusty her entire life,
essentially since college. She hadn't dated anybody else before, so
she might not have had any tools to know how
to even handle a situation when her boss, a very
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powerful person is potentially coming onto her or in her mind,
is kind of obsessing about her. Keep in mind, you know,
she was a stay at home mom for a while
and was working from home for a period of time
when the kids were young, and just gone back to
work and just gotten I think was new to this job,
so I think she was super attentive when her boss
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reached out, whether it be by text or by emails,
and calls and emails is a lot of communication, and
there's definitely a line professionally that you know you don't cross,
and so joking about waking up in the same hotel
room is certainly inappropriate. Her defense was the otherwise, I
didn't know what to do these advances. I should have
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reported it, I should have quit my job. She seemed
to welcome these advances in some way. If they're talking
about the excitement of going on trips together, Stef, do
you have anything to say about But I did some
kind of curious about the fact that, you know, Hemmy
is with his family and is interrogated by police. You know,
continues to deny things, But how can you deny it
when your vehicle that you've actually rented is seen at
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the crime scene. We see this a lot as well,
in circumstances like this where love or infatuation or obsession
is at the root of things. Typically they turn on
each other right at some point. But you know, Hemmy's
keeping his cards very close, and it seems as though
Andrea is pretty quick to point the finger at him
and distance herself as quickly as possible, And that might
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also speak to her demeanor when she got to the hospital,
which was noted earlier that she seemingly had no emotion
whatsoever and didn't want to personally talk to her children
about their father's death. Is that guilt setting in in
such an extraordinary way that she cannot face her two children,
whether that's because she's been having an affair outside the
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marriage or that there's something more to it. My initial
reaction was, once you say those things to your kids,
or saying that things to anyone, do they look at
you differently for the rest of the life because that
news coming out of your mouth is gut wrenching and
will change their lives forever. So when when she originally
asked for someone else to tell them, that's where I
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went with it. I could see that from all sides,
I would imagine it would be customary for the mother
to be there unless she was so distraught that she
was unable to participate in some way. But again, she seemed,
according to everybody there, very non emotional. Right When you
combine the lack of reaction to police. The lack of tears,
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lack of crying with not wanting to tell your kids,
then that starts to paint a picture of someone who's
a little cold and a little emotionally removed from this
very traumatic event. And not to mention trauma in general,
we also can't assume how a person is going to
behave in such a traumatic situation. Trauma affects everyone very,
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very differently, and she may have been in shock. At
the trial, Hemmy pled guilty by reason of insanity. His
attorneys claimed he was driven by demons and angels who
possessed him to kill Rusty Snyderman. The demon, he said,
sounded like Barry White, and the angel was Olivia Newton John.
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Hemmy said murdered Rusty because Olivia Newton John convinced him
that Rusty's children were actually his own children and that
they were in mortal danger if he didn't do something
about it. However, as the trial progressed, the attention really
turned to Andrea. During her testimony, Andrew would get combative
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with prosecutors, acting annoyed by their line of questioning, but
the biggest shock of all came when Rusty's parents revealed
exactly when Andrea told them about the shooting. It was
allegedly before officials had told Andrea that her husband had
been shot. This call to her entire timeline into question.
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Here's audio of Andrea on the stand, followed by Rusty's father,
also in court. How many times did you call Rusty?
Call Rusty Rusty? Zero times? Why didn't you call rust
because they just told me something that happened to Rusty.
What are chances that he's going to be answering his
cell phone? They didn't tell you what happened to Rusty?
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Is there a fat question? It took me into what
I call the death room. Okay, So I sat in
a chair and someone I have no idea who they are,
came over and said that he came in with multiple
gunshot wounds and that he was dead. I don't remember
anything they said after that. Okay, so I felt to
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the floor. You found out at the hospital that Rusty
had been shot. That's correct, Okay. Andrea called us, and
she called and said Rusty had been shot and she
was so so sorry, and then she was going to
Dunwodie prepped to find out what had happened. And are
you sure that she told you that Rusty had been shot, Sir,
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I think what we should talk about is the inconsistency
in Andrea's timeline because it kind of comes into play
with with Hemmy being involved and potentially Andrea, Rusty's wife,
being involved. So remember, Andrea got a call from the
school that there was an emergency after Rusty had been shot.
So she drove to the daycare and they told her
to go to the hospital. At this point, no one
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had told her about the shooting, or that there was
a gun or anything that Rusty had been shot. It
wasn't until she got to the hospital that the police
told her that Rusty had been shot. But on the
way to the hospital, she called Rusty's parents and they
testified to this that on that on the way to
the hospital, she called them and said, Rusty has been shot.
She literally couldn't have known this information, unless, of course,
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she knew that it was going to happen or had
already happened from another source, maybe the shooter, Hemmy. He
could have had a heart attack, for example, and been
rushed to the hospital. She had no knowledge that it
was actually a gun shot. Right, She's breaking this shooting
story before she's told this by officials. And not only
did Rusty's parents say this, understand, but her best friend
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said it. So it was definitely backed up that she was,
you know, telling people about this shoe before anyone had
actually told her about the shooting. And remember her and
Hemmy were in constant communication. You know, when they looked
at the police records, there were all those texts and emails,
But even as soon as the day before the murder,
they were talking. When they checked Hemmy's credit card receipts
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when he bought the disguise that we heard about, he
was talking to Andrea literally as they were spiping his
credit card. I mean, honestly, that's pretty startling to hear.
You know, this whole strategy legally speaking, for Henvy to
have mental illness, be hearing voices in his head really
baffled everybody. He had no history of mental illness, and
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in our experience, I haven't really heard of mental illness
popping up mid trial, especially when you're conveniently on a
capital murder trial. No less, because he ran this very
large company, is it even possible that he was able
to do so if he was having angels and demons
in Olivia? Newton John in his head. Isn't that something
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that maybe would have been noted or leader then just
this moment suddenly in court. But keep in mind, you know,
this whole mental illness thing popping up isn't necessarily the
worst idea from the defense's point of view. It happens
all the time. But you really do have to show
some sort of a history. And again, if you're defending
a potential killer, you really want to just make sure
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that you're casting as much doubt as possible so that
one j'or just one has a little bit of doubt
and that's all it takes to you know, lose a conviction. Yeah,
and to me, the story seems so specific that it's
almost like how could they make that up? Like very
white and living Newton John are very it's just so
weird that like that's to me like it does. It's
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not just insanity, it's like this very specific story. Yeah, Jeff,
these inconsistencies really shifted the attention towards Andrew because undeniable
that this connection was more than she had let on.
And again the inconsistencies, the cracks began to show him
what she had to say, and even Hemmy's defense attorney
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when he spoke to the jury and he spoke in court,
he basically was saying that Andrew was playing everyone for
a fool, that she was, you know, manipulative. And I
think the defense attorney actually had put it best and
he said, quote, Hemmy held the gun, but Andrea was
the trigger. And really like her attitude on the stand too,
is pretty telling to me. I mean, remember, she's not
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on trial at this point. Who's on trial is the
murderer of her husband. She should be trying to put
this man away. And instead, when the when the prosecutor
and the defense attorneys are examining her, you know, putting
her on the stand, she sounds defensive, she sounds annoyed,
she's rolling her eyes at some points. She should be
doing everything she can to help find this guy guilty,
you would think, but instead she's doing basically the opposite. Yeah,
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was shocking. She seemed like a hostile witness. And again,
this is the the d a who's the prosecutor, who's
trying to put away the man who murdered her husband.
You know, you think she'd want to help and not
be so combative and just kind of angry. And aggressive,
not to mention it's also the father of her children,
so even on behalf of her children, you'd think she
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would want to make sure that the person who did
this to him would be behind bars. Let's stop here
for another quick break. Originally had Any pledged not guilty,
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but then during the trial he changed his pleading not
guilty due to reason of insanity, which is a very
different place. You were enough sound mind to be able
to even justify what you were or were not doing,
and maybe not capable of being trusted even as a
witness or even to defend himself. That's a very convenient
narrative to have pop up midstream. And again, you know,
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as we mentioned, there was no mental illness history in
his past. You know, they looked into all of his
records and this is not something that came up ever before.
He's admitting that he did it at this point, but
that he was insane when he did it. So as
before where he led not guilty, now you know didn't
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even plead guilty, but the reason being in SENTI. So
now at least we had he's admitted that he's done
it true, which again doesn't mean he's not going to
go to prison, and again this is a strategy that
we see often in court. However, an insanity defense is
very hard to prove. Generally speaking, we see that it's
something that you probably never want to have to use,
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and it's very extreme, and in those extreme cases, you
would really have to show a unique amount of history
of mental illness to have that even be considered in
the court of law. It goes to the same thing
about Andrea telling Rusty's parents. Andrea had told her best friend,
she A Citron, that Rusty had been shot before she'd
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gotten to the hospital. So again, Andrea didn't wasn't told anything.
She just knew that Rusty was in an accident. And
in addition to telling Rusty's parents that he had been shot,
she's now told her best friend that he's been shot,
but she still hasn't been told this yet. While on
the stand, Shana also told the prosecutor how Andrea would
confide to her that she and Rusty were having problems. Furthermore,
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they had this like kind of weird icy exchange. After
the best friend testifies, the best friend gets off the
stand and is walking out of the courtroom, and Andrea
gets up and hugs her which first off, is highly
inappropriate in your supposed to do that. And she's later
ejected from the courtroom, but they have this kind of
sweet moment where she hugs her, and despite her best
friend basically ripping her a new one on the stand
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and telling the jury she's a liar and all these things,
they have this nice exchange. She's kicked out of the courtroom,
and the best friend and her have another exchange which
looks very different. Andrea hugs her again, but it's not
as nice as what the witnesses say. But Andrea says,
I understand you did what you have to do, but
I'm going to do what I have to do. And
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people who heard this, because it was in a crowded,
you know, lobby of a courtroom, said it sounded like
a very thinly veiled threat. The best friend was so
shaken that the next day she pulled her kids from
the school and kind of went into hiding almost right
because she was worried for her own safety and the
safety of her children for good reason. And all she
did was really tell the truth that Andrey had said,
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Rusty and I are having problems, right, which is a
really difficult position to be in imagine you're being brought
to the stand to basically testify against your very best
friend in all of the world, who you probably could
never imagine could do this. That is a difficult spot
to be in. And yeah, I can completely understand why
she would be fearful of retaliation. In Hemmy Newman was
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found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison
without the possibility of parole. After the trial, in August,
Andrew was arrested and indicted on eight counts, including attempt
to commit murder, insurance fraud, and perjury. In August, Andrew
was convicted and sentenced to five years in prison. A
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parole board reduced her sentence to just twenty two months,
and she walked free in June. Since then, she's kept
a low profile. Well, we don't know much about Andrew's
time in jail or live after. We do know she's
spoken about wanting Sandra Bullock to play her in the movie.
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Crazy in Love is the true crime podcast that tells
love stories with a twist. This crime was really shocking,
and it was so shocking that initially people who witnessed
it thought maybe like a movie was being filmed or something.
Sometimes the twist of a knife, it's like this very
specific story that either it's so crazy that it has
to be sure, or it's so crazy that it's unbelievable.
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Just because things start off with once upon a Time
doesn't mean everyone lives happily ever after. This is Crazy
in Love, a production of Katie Studios and I Heart Radio.
I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at Katie Studios, joined
by fellow producers Stephanie Ledecker, Jeff Shane, and Beth Greenwald.
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We've all worked for years on various crime podcast and
TV series. As crime producers, we talked murder all the time.
One thing we've noticed is just how many of them
stem from love. In this episode, we're exploring the case
of the daycare, the affair, and the cover up. While
attending Indiana University, Rusty Sniderman meant Andrea Greenberg at the
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local Jewish Hillelle. The pair immediately hit it off. According
to Rusty's college roommate and best friend, Andrea was the
typical nice Jewish girl from the suburbs. She was smart, ambitious,
had goals, and it was clear to everyone that they
were destined to be together. After graduating college, the couple
moved into a small Chicago apartment, despite her parents protesting
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against living together before marriage. Andrea was adamant they belonged
together and it didn't matter since they were going to
get married sooner or later. Rusty was doing well financially
and started to set money aside for what he called
the ring Fund. Andrea was over the moon. She picked
out a design for an engagement ring and Rusty ordered it.
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The only surprise for her was when it would happen.
Rusty ended up proposing in two thousand while they vacationed
in Orange County, California. On December thirty, two thousand, the
pair tith and not in the ceremony in the same
Florida synagogue Andrea's grandparents co founded. Friends and family described
them as a solid team. Rusty sister said Andrea was
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a good match for Rusty since she was warm and sincere.
Everyone had a great feeling about the couple and thought
they would grow all together. Here's stef A. Lot of
the stories we talked about are kind of whirlwind romances
where they get married rather quickly or get together rather quickly.
You know, they were together for seven years before he
even proposed, so they definitely took the time to get
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to know each other and laid the groundwork for what
we could see as and what other people who knew
them would see as an everlasting relationship. Here's Beth. Yeah,
you know, spending that time, you really get to know
someone to the core, and they had a strong foundation,
started a family, and was able to take the time
to really invest in what he wanted to do with
his entre an iorish spirit and with what Andrew wanted
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to do with her wife. Here's Stephanie. Beth, Jeff and
I were just discussing the fact that this case was
particularly troublesome because again, from the outside, it all looked
rather perfect. There didn't seem to be some sort of
crack in their relationship. After Rusty earned an NBA at Harvard,
the newlyweds moved to the idyllic Atlanta suburb of Dunwoodie
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to start a family. The gated community. Welcome sign reads
smart city, Smart People. The quiet suburb is dotted with
large brick homes, tennis courts, churches, and private schools. The
pair had two children, and Rusty was a great father.
He would play for hours with his children while Andrew
attended to the house. At thirty six years old, Rusty
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had a lot to be proud of. He had a
successful business, a loving wife, and a beautiful home. When
the kids were two and five years old, Andrew took
a job at General Electric in the engineering department. Rusty
supported this wholeheartedly. Here's Stephanie. Yeah, I mean he kind
of was ahead of his time. Rusty started his business
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and really was onto something that we now know is
a big piece of social media. Yeah. I was super
surprised because he was so successful in finance and to
kind of walk away from that to become an entrepreneur stuff.
I mean, to go into business for yourself is not easy.
But his startup was a great idea. I mean it
was this company where a celebrity can do an outgoing
voicemail message for your cell phone and you know, pay
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a small fee, and it was really catching on. And
to be honest with you, It's kind of like Cameo
before there was Cameo, which is, as we all know now,
a huge company, a huge company, and that afforded them
the ability to go move to the suburbs by a
beautiful home. They lived in this perfect suburb and as
neighbors have said, they seemed like a couple who had
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everything going for them. Yeah, it's kind of like the
movie that Truman Shall you've ever seen at this very
perfect ideal that k and community in the suburb of Dunwoodie.
Welcome sign literally read smart city, smart people. It's dotted
with large brick holms, tennis courts, churches, private schools, and
the Senterman's kind of lived in the Crimbdale crime of
the neighborhood, in a million dollar home in a quiet
cul de sac. And once they got there, Andrea and
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Rusty really integrated themselves. They volunteered at the Jewish organizations
and other charitable events, and people to notice it seems
like a family you'd want to live next door to.
While the family moved to the suburbs for security and safety,
that was all taken away from them one tragic morning
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on November eighteen, Rusty drove his two year old son's
daycare and dropped him off at nine fifteen am. As
Rusty walked back to his car, a man came up
to him and shot him several times, with shocked parents, teachers,
and children watching. The shooter then ran back to a
light colored minivan and disappeared. Rusty Snyderman died and route
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to the hospital Dunwood. He was an idyllic, safe suburbs,
so this crime was really shocking, and it was so
shocking that initially people who witnessed it thought maybe like
a movie was being filmed or something, because it was
so unbelievable. But witnesses did recall some of the details
what they saw because it was just such a memorable thing.
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They said that the shooter had on glasses and what
most witnesses described as a fake beard. He was so
big and bushy. But no one recognized the shooter. And
there was a couple of other really distinct odd things
that happened, you know. Initially, the teacher at the preschool
called Andrea and told her there had been a hideous
accident and that Rusty was on his way to the hospital,
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and she of course went there, and the parents of
the school and the doctors and the nurses, they all
sort of had the same note about Andrea because when
she came to the hospital knowing that Rusty was potentially
fighting for his life, we now know at this point
he will we had passed. She wasn't even crying. She
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had literally zero reaction, which some thought maybe she was
in shock. And also worth noting she had a psychiatrist
talked to her children and tell them about their father's death.
She did not want to look them in the eye
and do that herself. So obviously, Rusty's death was a
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horrible tragedy, but as officials were kind of figuring out
what happened, they started to look at things that happened
to the family prior to the death, which would kind
of end up being this ominous foreshadowing of what would
occur at the school. There were a couple of weird
instances that now couldn't be ignored. First three weeks before
the murder, the garage door opened in the middle of
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the night without any explanation at the Snyderman house. When
Rusty went to check it out, nothing had been stolen,
and it didn't appear anyone even entered the home, but
it was weird and police filed the report, but nothing
came of it. Then two weeks later, just one week
before the murder, Rusty was getting ready to take his
son to daycare, as he did every day, and he
thought he smelled gas, so he walked around to the
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side of the house to check the meter and he
saw a man lying face down on the ground near
the air conditioning unit, and you know, startled. He called
out to the guy to see if he was okay,
and the man who was lying out immediately stood up
and took off running, and Rusty, you know, ran inside
and called nine one one and told them what happened,
and that he also spotted what he thought was a
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gun in the man's back pocket. Unfortunately, he couldn't identify
this guy, but it was obviously very unsettling to the family.
But again nothing happened. Police never were able to make
an arrest. A week later, he's done dead in the
parking lot. These two things just couldn't be ignored. Looking
at this objectively, I'm sure officials could not imagine that
anybody who was close to Rusty would ever put their
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children in the line of fire. You know, he was
shot basically bringing his child to school at a daycare
that he knew everybody, So it just seemed unusual that
anybody who was close to him specifically would want to
bring harm to his children as well or the other
children at the school. I think this was also hard
for people to wrap their head around because Dunwoodie was
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such a safe community. So you know, first it's the
garage door, then it's someone maybe fussing with the gas,
and then it's literally shooting someone dead in the parking
lot of a school. This doesn't happen in a place
like Dunwoody, and so I think people were just so
shocked and had no idea what could possibly be happening.
And Rusty had done all the right things. He alerted police.
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He you know, was on record, there was a report
on all of these incidences. Probably in retrospect, maybe there
was more to be done, but you know, to some
degree it seemed as though he was being hunted, And
I wonder if it was just because it's hard to
believe in this town where it's not a crime ridden neighborhood,
but suddenly you have these instances that maybe they brushed
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it off, but obviously was something very serious that ultimately
led to Rusty's demise. Following the murder, police started there investigation. Initially,
Andrea told investigators that Rusty's business dealings could be at
the heart of the crime, but a look into his
finances and talks with his business partners didn't set off
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any alarms. Police asked Andrea if there was anyone in
her life who would try to separate them as a couple.
She hesitantly answered yes and now. When pressed for details,
Andrea said that her boss at GE, a man named
Hemmy Newman, was very flirty with her, almost to the
point of infatuation. Andrea and Hemmy's co workers seemed to
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agree that there was something going on. Hemmy seemed to
dote on Andrea. She'd only been at g for eight months,
but she was promoted ahead of people who had worked
there for years. Meanwhile, police continued to hunt down the
driver of the minivan. Investigators realized they caught a lucky
break when looking at footage from nearby security cameras. It
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turns out the daycare had their own camera that faced
the parking lot. While they were unfortunately unable to make
out the license plate, the camera did indeed catch the
killers speeding out of the lot. Unable to decipher the
make and model themselves, police sent screenshots of the video
to various engineers who worked at car companies. One of
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those engineers was able to identify the silver vehicle as
a Kia Sedona minivan. Police tracked down the eleven people
in the state of Georgia who owned one. Ten had alibis,
and the eleventh was a car rental company. The car
company hands it over their logs to authorities, and quickly
please zeroed in on the familiar name. Henny Newman, Andrea's
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flirty boss at ge had rented the Kia Sadona minivan
the day of the murder. During Hemmy's initial interrogation, he
remained eerily calm. Here's a portion of the interrogation I'm
getting out to. You've got a heart got so he
was there and invested that shot. Now, Anny, you were there.
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It's not a man. Huh ja you are. I don't
see how, I don't know what. I'm not there. I
don't want it. I can't explain the van. And until
the stag bottels I did not shoot, trusting you, I
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was not. I did not the trigger. So there's a
lot to unpack here. Also really speaks to the importance
of having security cameras around our house. It's amazing how
much diligent investigative work happens as a result. So, yeah,
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we know that Henny came back from a family vacation
in Florida. Police brought him in for interrogation and he
denies everything. But bottom line, this van really seemed like
too much of a coincidence to not be tied to Henny,
and they really did believe they had their guy. Yeah,
and as they continued to investigate him, because how could
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they not, his motive became clear. So they start to
look at Hemmy's connection to the family. Obviously it's Andrea.
And what they find is that this office flirtation crushed
as she described it, might have actually been a little
more reciprocated than she described originally. Prior to the murder,
Andrey and Hemmy were very close working colleagues. They would
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travel the world together for business, from like Tahoe to Scotland.
They kind of saw it all and according to one
of Hemmy's closest friends, Hemmy was quote unquote obsessed with Andrea.
When police were talking to potential witnesses at the places
they would travel together. They spoke to one bartender in
South Carolina at a resort where they had stayed, and
she told them that she remembered Andrea and Hemmy coming
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into the bar and that they were all over each other,
flirting and kissing and dancing. She thought they looked like
a newly one cup ball. Yeah, Jeff, And so now
they had Hemmy in the van, that are hearing all
this information about, you know, Hemmy and Andrea traveling together
for business. So when the police pulled their cell phone records,
there were over four calls and texts between Hemmy and
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Andrea um and some of these texts were really incriminating.
They were, you know, saying things like I want to
raise your kids, I want to marry you. And Andrew
was still denying despite this mountain of evidence that was
starting to develop. There were also emails between them about
trips that they planned to go on and how scandalous
it would be if anyone found out that they were
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together on these business trips, and one email in particular,
Andrea says that she had betrayed everyone she knows and
has to repent and when the authorities asked her about that.
Andreas said that all she and Hemmy had ever done
was hold hands, which seems highly unlikely given I want
to marry you, I want to raise your kids. Yeah.
I mean remember though, like Andrea is a very good
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Jewish girl, as she's been describing, So maybe she did
just feel guilty about holding his hand. That could be
something that someone who's traditional and religious would feel guilty about,
would have to repent over, as she says, But we
do know that there are accounts of that not being
a case, as suggested by the woman at the bar
who saw them looking like newly Woods. We're going to
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take a quick break. We'll be back in just a moment.
Andrea had tried to say that Hemmy was kind of
had an obsessive fondness for her, But it doesn't seem
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like Andrew was putting up boundaries. It seemed like Andrea
was also flirting back with him, and it seemed like
there was some sort of inappropriate relationship there. Yeah, Hemmy
was married, had kids of his own, and you know,
when the police talked to his wife, she's hold them
that she knew Hemmy was having an affair with Andrea.
In her Gutch knew it the whole time. It kind
of seems like this, you know, ge affair they were
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having was the company's worst kept secret. Everyone knew it,
they were very public about it. Whether or not Rusty knew,
will never know. And to that end, you know, by
all accounts to Andrea was a pretty reserved woman. This was,
you know, seemingly very out of character for her, So
it was hard for people to believe. Hemmy turned out
maybe to be a little bit like the boss from hell.
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He was described as those who worked for him as absorbed, abrasive,
and arrogant, always making sure that he was presenting himself
as the smartest man in the room. And for Andrea,
who you know, she's been with Rusty her entire life,
essentially since college. She hadn't dated anybody else before, so
she might not have had any tools to know how
to even handle a situation when her boss, a very
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powerful person is potentially coming onto her or in her mind,
is kind of obsessing about her. Keep in mind, you know,
she was a stay at home mom for a while
and was working from home for a period of time
when the kids were young, and just gone back to
work and just gotten I think was new to this job,
so I think she was super attentive when her boss
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reached out, whether it be by text or by emails,
and calls and emails is a lot of communication, and
there's definitely a line professionally that you know you don't cross,
and so joking about waking up in the same hotel
room is certainly inappropriate. Her defense was the otherwise, I
didn't know what to do these advances. I should have
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reported it, I should have quit my job. She seemed
to welcome these advances in some way. If they're talking
about the excitement of going on trips together, Stef, do
you have anything to say about But I did some
kind of curious about the fact that, you know, Hemmy
is with his family and is interrogated by police. You know,
continues to deny things, But how can you deny it
when your vehicle that you've actually rented is seen at
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the crime scene. We see this a lot as well,
in circumstances like this where love or infatuation or obsession
is at the root of things. Typically they turn on
each other right at some point. But you know, Hemmy's
keeping his cards very close, and it seems as though
Andrea is pretty quick to point the finger at him
and distance herself as quickly as possible, And that might
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also speak to her demeanor when she got to the hospital,
which was noted earlier that she seemingly had no emotion
whatsoever and didn't want to personally talk to her children
about their father's death. Is that guilt setting in in
such an extraordinary way that she cannot face her two children,
whether that's because she's been having an affair outside the
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marriage or that there's something more to it. My initial
reaction was, once you say those things to your kids,
or saying that things to anyone, do they look at
you differently for the rest of the life because that
news coming out of your mouth is gut wrenching and
will change their lives forever. So when when she originally
asked for someone else to tell them, that's where I
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went with it. I could see that from all sides,
I would imagine it would be customary for the mother
to be there unless she was so distraught that she
was unable to participate in some way. But again, she seemed,
according to everybody there, very non emotional. Right When you
combine the lack of reaction to police. The lack of tears,
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lack of crying with not wanting to tell your kids,
then that starts to paint a picture of someone who's
a little cold and a little emotionally removed from this
very traumatic event. And not to mention trauma in general,
we also can't assume how a person is going to
behave in such a traumatic situation. Trauma affects everyone very,
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very differently, and she may have been in shock. At
the trial, Hemmy pled guilty by reason of insanity. His
attorneys claimed he was driven by demons and angels who
possessed him to kill Rusty Snyderman. The demon, he said,
sounded like Barry White, and the angel was Olivia Newton John.
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Hemmy said murdered Rusty because Olivia Newton John convinced him
that Rusty's children were actually his own children and that
they were in mortal danger if he didn't do something
about it. However, as the trial progressed, the attention really
turned to Andrea. During her testimony, Andrew would get combative
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with prosecutors, acting annoyed by their line of questioning, but
the biggest shock of all came when Rusty's parents revealed
exactly when Andrea told them about the shooting. It was
allegedly before officials had told Andrea that her husband had
been shot. This call to her entire timeline into question.
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Here's audio of Andrea on the stand, followed by Rusty's father,
also in court. How many times did you call Rusty?
Call Rusty Rusty? Zero times? Why didn't you call rust
because they just told me something that happened to Rusty.
What are chances that he's going to be answering his
cell phone? They didn't tell you what happened to Rusty?
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Is there a fat question? It took me into what
I call the death room. Okay, So I sat in
a chair and someone I have no idea who they are,
came over and said that he came in with multiple
gunshot wounds and that he was dead. I don't remember
anything they said after that. Okay, so I felt to
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the floor. You found out at the hospital that Rusty
had been shot. That's correct, Okay. Andrea called us, and
she called and said Rusty had been shot and she
was so so sorry, and then she was going to
Dunwodie prepped to find out what had happened. And are
you sure that she told you that Rusty had been shot, Sir,
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I think what we should talk about is the inconsistency
in Andrea's timeline because it kind of comes into play
with with Hemmy being involved and potentially Andrea, Rusty's wife,
being involved. So remember, Andrea got a call from the
school that there was an emergency after Rusty had been shot.
So she drove to the daycare and they told her
to go to the hospital. At this point, no one
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had told her about the shooting, or that there was
a gun or anything that Rusty had been shot. It
wasn't until she got to the hospital that the police
told her that Rusty had been shot. But on the
way to the hospital, she called Rusty's parents and they
testified to this that on that on the way to
the hospital, she called them and said, Rusty has been shot.
She literally couldn't have known this information, unless, of course,
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she knew that it was going to happen or had
already happened from another source, maybe the shooter, Hemmy. He
could have had a heart attack, for example, and been
rushed to the hospital. She had no knowledge that it
was actually a gun shot. Right, She's breaking this shooting
story before she's told this by officials. And not only
did Rusty's parents say this, understand, but her best friend
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said it. So it was definitely backed up that she was,
you know, telling people about this shoe before anyone had
actually told her about the shooting. And remember her and
Hemmy were in constant communication. You know, when they looked
at the police records, there were all those texts and emails,
But even as soon as the day before the murder,
they were talking. When they checked Hemmy's credit card receipts
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when he bought the disguise that we heard about, he
was talking to Andrea literally as they were spiping his
credit card. I mean, honestly, that's pretty startling to hear.
You know, this whole strategy legally speaking, for Henvy to
have mental illness, be hearing voices in his head really
baffled everybody. He had no history of mental illness, and
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in our experience, I haven't really heard of mental illness
popping up mid trial, especially when you're conveniently on a
capital murder trial. No less, because he ran this very
large company, is it even possible that he was able
to do so if he was having angels and demons
in Olivia? Newton John in his head. Isn't that something
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that maybe would have been noted or leader then just
this moment suddenly in court. But keep in mind, you know,
this whole mental illness thing popping up isn't necessarily the
worst idea from the defense's point of view. It happens
all the time. But you really do have to show
some sort of a history. And again, if you're defending
a potential killer, you really want to just make sure
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that you're casting as much doubt as possible so that
one j'or just one has a little bit of doubt
and that's all it takes to you know, lose a conviction. Yeah,
and to me, the story seems so specific that it's
almost like how could they make that up? Like very
white and living Newton John are very it's just so
weird that like that's to me like it does. It's
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not just insanity, it's like this very specific story. Yeah, Jeff,
these inconsistencies really shifted the attention towards Andrew because undeniable
that this connection was more than she had let on.
And again the inconsistencies, the cracks began to show him
what she had to say, and even Hemmy's defense attorney
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when he spoke to the jury and he spoke in court,
he basically was saying that Andrew was playing everyone for
a fool, that she was, you know, manipulative. And I
think the defense attorney actually had put it best and
he said, quote, Hemmy held the gun, but Andrea was
the trigger. And really like her attitude on the stand too,
is pretty telling to me. I mean, remember, she's not
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on trial at this point. Who's on trial is the
murderer of her husband. She should be trying to put
this man away. And instead, when the when the prosecutor
and the defense attorneys are examining her, you know, putting
her on the stand, she sounds defensive, she sounds annoyed,
she's rolling her eyes at some points. She should be
doing everything she can to help find this guy guilty,
you would think, but instead she's doing basically the opposite. Yeah,
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was shocking. She seemed like a hostile witness. And again,
this is the the d a who's the prosecutor, who's
trying to put away the man who murdered her husband.
You know, you think she'd want to help and not
be so combative and just kind of angry. And aggressive,
not to mention it's also the father of her children,
so even on behalf of her children, you'd think she
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would want to make sure that the person who did
this to him would be behind bars. Let's stop here
for another quick break. Originally had Any pledged not guilty,
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but then during the trial he changed his pleading not
guilty due to reason of insanity, which is a very
different place. You were enough sound mind to be able
to even justify what you were or were not doing,
and maybe not capable of being trusted even as a
witness or even to defend himself. That's a very convenient
narrative to have pop up midstream. And again, you know,
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as we mentioned, there was no mental illness history in
his past. You know, they looked into all of his
records and this is not something that came up ever before.
He's admitting that he did it at this point, but
that he was insane when he did it. So as
before where he led not guilty, now you know didn't
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even plead guilty, but the reason being in SENTI. So
now at least we had he's admitted that he's done
it true, which again doesn't mean he's not going to
go to prison, and again this is a strategy that
we see often in court. However, an insanity defense is
very hard to prove. Generally speaking, we see that it's
something that you probably never want to have to use,
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and it's very extreme, and in those extreme cases, you
would really have to show a unique amount of history
of mental illness to have that even be considered in
the court of law. It goes to the same thing
about Andrea telling Rusty's parents. Andrea had told her best friend,
she A Citron, that Rusty had been shot before she'd
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gotten to the hospital. So again, Andrea didn't wasn't told anything.
She just knew that Rusty was in an accident. And
in addition to telling Rusty's parents that he had been shot,
she's now told her best friend that he's been shot,
but she still hasn't been told this yet. While on
the stand, Shana also told the prosecutor how Andrea would
confide to her that she and Rusty were having problems. Furthermore,
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they had this like kind of weird icy exchange. After
the best friend testifies, the best friend gets off the
stand and is walking out of the courtroom, and Andrea
gets up and hugs her which first off, is highly
inappropriate in your supposed to do that. And she's later
ejected from the courtroom, but they have this kind of
sweet moment where she hugs her, and despite her best
friend basically ripping her a new one on the stand
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and telling the jury she's a liar and all these things,
they have this nice exchange. She's kicked out of the courtroom,
and the best friend and her have another exchange which
looks very different. Andrea hugs her again, but it's not
as nice as what the witnesses say. But Andrea says,
I understand you did what you have to do, but
I'm going to do what I have to do. And
(29:09):
people who heard this, because it was in a crowded,
you know, lobby of a courtroom, said it sounded like
a very thinly veiled threat. The best friend was so
shaken that the next day she pulled her kids from
the school and kind of went into hiding almost right
because she was worried for her own safety and the
safety of her children for good reason. And all she
did was really tell the truth that Andrey had said,
(29:30):
Rusty and I are having problems, right, which is a
really difficult position to be in imagine you're being brought
to the stand to basically testify against your very best
friend in all of the world, who you probably could
never imagine could do this. That is a difficult spot
to be in. And yeah, I can completely understand why
she would be fearful of retaliation. In Hemmy Newman was
(29:54):
found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison
without the possibility of parole. After the trial, in August,
Andrew was arrested and indicted on eight counts, including attempt
to commit murder, insurance fraud, and perjury. In August, Andrew
was convicted and sentenced to five years in prison. A
(30:15):
parole board reduced her sentence to just twenty two months,
and she walked free in June. Since then, she's kept
a low profile. Well, we don't know much about Andrew's
time in jail or live after. We do know she's
spoken about wanting Sandra Bullock to play her in the movie.
(30:35):
If you're enjoying Crazy and Love, listen to seasons one
and two of the piked in Massacre. Another Katie Studios production,
Crazy in Love is produced by Stephanie Laie Decker, Beth Greenwald,
Chris Graves, Lisa d. Giovine, Jeff Shane, Tim Hamilton's and
me Courtney Armstrong. Editing and sound designed by Jeff Twas.
(30:56):
Additional editing by Davy Cooper Wasser. Crazy in Love is
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