April 29, 2024 • 37 mins
As volunteer searchers try to locate all of teen girl Sade Robinson’s remains, a gruesome discovery... this time, at a remote, tree-lined stretch of beach along Lake Michigan.
Just after 7:30 a.m., someone walking along a South Milwaukee water line discovered an arm and torso. The remains washed ashore about a quarter mile away from a nearby apartment complex. Residents watched as officers carried a body bag down the cliff to recover the body parts. Police have continued their search using a sonar detection boat to scour the lake.
During their investigations, police discovered Maxwell Anderson had a “sex dungeon” in the basement of his West Milwaukee home, according to a law enforcement source. Cops found a ‘sex sling’, restraints, and handcuffs. A close friend of Anderson’s said that on a visit to Anderson’s home last year, he noticed a large hole in the ground about 5 feet long by 6 feet deep. Anderson said he was working on an underground basement, despite having a large basement in the home already.
Neighbors say the basement in the home had small windows that were always covered, so you could not see inside.
Police also found gas cans in the garage, and blood in several areas, including on bedding and the wall of a stairwell leading to the basement. After initial DNA tests, an amended probable cause affidavit reveals the blood is not Sade Robinson's.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Dr. Jorey Krawczyn – Police Psychologist, Adjunct Faculty with Saint Leo University; Research Consultant with Blue Wall Institute, Author: Operation S.O.S. – Practical Recommendations to Help “Stop Officer Suicide”
- Keith Cormican - Underwater Search and Recovery Expert. Director, Bruces Legacy. Searching for Sade in bodies of water. EMAIL: keith@bruceslegacy.com
- Eric Faddis – Partner at Varner Faddis Elite Legal, Former Felony Prosecutor and Current Criminal Defense and Civil Litigation Attorney; Instagram: @e_fad @varnerfaddis; TikTok: @varnerfaddis
- Dr. Eric Eason – Board-certified Forensic Pathologist, Consultant; Instagram: @eric_a_eason, Facebook: Eric August Eason, LinkedIn: Eric Eason, MD
- Aaron Maybin- Anchor/Reporter, Fox 6, Milwaukee (WITI); Instagram @a.maybin, FB https://www.facebook.com/AaronMaybinTV/
- Sydney Sumner - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Breaking use tonight bombshell DNA breakthrough in the case of
teen girl Shade Robinson.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Blood found in suspect Maxwell Anderson home.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Does not belong to shaw Day, the mystery blood, a
backyard grave already dug, and the discovery of a basement
sex dungeon? Are there more victims? Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
As volunteer searchers try to locate all of teen girl
Shade Robinson's remains. A fourth set of body parts, this
time at a remote tree line stretch of beach along
South Michigan. Just after seven am, someone walking along a
South Milwaukee waterline discovered an arm and torso. The remains
washed ashore about a quarter of a mile from a
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nearby apartment complex. Residents watched as officers carried a body
bag down the cliff to recover the body parts. Police
have continued their search, using a sonar detection book to
scour the lake.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
What hell, I mean, pure hell? Are Shade's parents going through?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This? Young girl in college now appearing.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
This is the fourth set of remains, this time a
torso what else is missing? And how can they hope
to ever bury their girl when they don't have her
entire body? A first date turns to murder a torso
(01:41):
just being discovered. We are convinced it belongs to teen girls.
Shaw Day, how did the whole thing start? Listen?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Shade Robinson, nineteen, is excited for her first date with
Maxwell Anderson, a local bartender. The pair decide on seafood,
and Max will take Robinson to the Twisted Fisherman, a
place he used to work. After dinner, the date continues
at Dukes On Water, and Anderson invites Robinson back to
his home. Around twelve thirty four am. Robinson's car leaves
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Anderson's home and makes several stops around Milwaukee, spending nearly
two hours at a pumphouse in Warnermont Park. The next day,
Robinson doesn't show up for work, and a concerned coworker
reports her missing. Hours later, a severed human leg is
found on the shore of Lake Michigan, down a bluff
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from Warnermont Park.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Listen to the Milwaukee County Sheriff.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Subsequently, a Milwaukee police officer who was aware of our
investigation raised the possibility that the leg may be related
to a missing person investigation that they were conducting, and
that missing person was Sadan Robinson. The severed leg has
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been preliminarily identified as belonging to miss Robinson.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Joining me in All Star panel.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But first for the very latest out to Aaron Maybin,
investigative reporter and anchor for Fox six in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Aerin, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
There's so much happening and so quickly in the Shade
Robinson case. But first I want to go to the torso.
We have a torso, a female torso, that has washed up,
so to speak. We have unidentified blood, Aaron Maybin, and
(03:40):
not just blood.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Aaron.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
For instance, if I go to your home and I
see a few spots of blood around your bathroom.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Sink, I think, oh, hey, gout his face shaving.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
This is blood on betting going up the wall from
the basement.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And we know that the basement now on.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Covered was a sex dungeon, and blood elsewhere in the
whole blood where it shouldn't be in the normal course
of one's routine.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So with all of this happening, I can't help but
wonder are there more victims?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Since that blood does not match sha Day, and we
have reason to believe it doesn't match the defendant, the suspect.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
But back to the Torso, tell me everything.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Well, you know this all began with a severed leg
at a parking cut, Hay, and it just sparked so
much mystery. And that's what this case has been, Nancy,
a ton of mystery. Where are these body parts? First
off coming from? And then we later learned that it
is Shade Robinson who's been a missing girl. And then
just the series of events continued to pile up. The
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latest was that arm in Torso that washed up on shore.
Someone was walking along the beach, Nancy, and they found
this arm and torso. Now let's go back that severed leg,
because these places where they were found really not close
to each other. They're a few miles away, about a
ten minute drive from each other, and police were quickly
(05:10):
able to identify that this arm and torso were that
of Shade Robinson's.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Guys, you're hearing Aaron Maybon from Fox six speaking, so
a ten minute drive between Now we've got four different
series of body parts, so you're saying, a ten minute
drive from what to what?
Speaker 6 (05:31):
From where that first severed leg was found on April second.
This is a north side of Milwaukee, and then a
few days later is when that arm and torso were found.
This is a very wooded area, a beachy area with
tons of gravel, and people walk along the shore. It's
super pretty, so people definitely were not expecting to find
body parts there.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Trying to figure something out.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
When you say rocky, do you mean as in Pacific
Coast rocky or do you mean cliff You look down
on rocks rocky.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
More gravel instead of sand instead of sand, and beach
in that area, think of walking on rocks, not necessarily
a cliff. That's going to be more of that cut
a hay area that Warnamut Park area where the severed
leg was found, that was more cliff like. This is
less less cliff like.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So question does it appear, Aaron Maybon Fox six, Milwaukee,
that her remains washed ashore or they were discarded there.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Well, we know that people found it as they were
walking along the beach and it was washed ashore. Milwaukee
Police in the Sheriff's office have not really released those
details on where they were discarded, how they got there.
But the current with Lake Michigan is so fascinating. You
can drop something somewhere and then it can end up
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miles away to just by the way that the water
moves there.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
In addition to Fox six is Aaron Maybin joining me
is an expert in exactly that. Keith cormickin underwater search
and recovery expert, director of Bruce's Legacy, searching for shah
Day in Bodies of Water. Keith, thank you for taking
time out to be with us tonight. Keith, explain your
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understanding the discovery of shah Day, this last discovery. It's
very hard for me to look at her and her
photos in life now that I feel like I've gotten
to know her. A girl making all a's in college,
a girl holding down multiple jobs, paying for her own car,
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her own apartment, really had a plan for her life.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Just this joyful person.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And now I'm talking about the fourth set of body
parts discovered. But Keith cormickin underwater search recovery expert, this
part of her body, the torso, is found along a
rocky beach area, and I'm trying to determine do you
think it's like Lacey and Connor Peterson after the husband
(08:03):
Scott Peterson murdered Lacey. After a period of time, her
remains washed up on San Francisco Bay or was she
domp with shade dumped in this location.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Nancy, I honestly don't think that she was dumped in
this location. Based on the information that I have, I
think the probability is that that torsoa was probably dumped
in the area where the leg was by that Warnermont Park.
Because of torso is the part of our body that
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will tend to build gas and rise to the surface,
and then once it rises to the surface, then it's
all dependent on wind and waves where it's going to go.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
And it's.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
Located about four miles south of the park of where
the leg was known to be, and that's not out
of the question to have that part go in that
direction the way the winds have been lately. So it's
my personal belief that I think it's most likely that
that was put in in the area of that one
(09:16):
of our park and it came up during that time.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Wait, that is very vague, Keith Kormickin, you're an expert
at underwater search and recovery, but let me work on
your phraseology just one moment. I'm trying to determine, like
the other three sets of body parts, was this torso
placed on earth at that beach or was.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That torso thrown into water?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And I have a very specific reason for asking water
earth which one?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
From what I.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Understand, it was looked like it washed up on the beach.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay solinated to hear washed up? That means water. And
I'm sorry to rush you.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I have one hour to get through the developments Shawde's case.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Why am I in a rush?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Because there's a very strong possibility that there are other victims.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And you know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Aaron Maybin, If you don't know a horse, look at
his track record? Has he put other victims? Specifically? Who
was that grave Doug for in his backyard? Whose blood
is that on his wall?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Who else had been in that sex torture chamber that
he had in his basement?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
So if he put part of shaw Day in the water,
ergo has he put other victims in the water?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
See where I'm going with this?
Speaker 6 (10:38):
I want to go back to what police are sharing
because I wanted to stick to what we know, and
there's so much that we are still working to get.
But we know that right now police are just searching
for shaw Dee Robinson in connection to Maxwell Anderson. But
we did learn in a preliminary hearing just a few
days ago that the blood that was found inside Maxwell
Anderson's home a swabbed bedding. They swabbed a wall in
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the basement. We know that that blood was not shah
De Robinson's DNA. I don't want to go too far
talking about you know what else it could be, but
we do know that it's not shad Robinson's blood and
that was a development that came in that preliminary hearing too.
But police are only telling us right now, Nancy, that
(11:22):
they are looking at Maxwell Anderson and shah De Robinson together.
They're not putting any other speculation out there, any other
rumors out there either.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Can I just do a lightning round with you, Aaron,
just a quickie, let's do it. Isn't it true that
civilians are the ones that find the body parts?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (11:42):
No, sure in this case.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
And isn't it also true that a civilian found the blanket,
the Pit Tribute blanket that was Shade's near Shade some
of her remains civilians?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yes? No, yes, okay?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And isn't it also true, Aaron Maybon, that civilians are
the ones that are out searching for shah.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Day and any of her remaining body parts. Isn't that true?
Speaker 6 (12:13):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
My point is police are saying right now, we're only
looking at shah Day as a victim.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Really, okay, let's move forward with what we know.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
We know that the police have the suspects of blood,
they've got his DNA. Obviously, we know that they have
shah Day's DNA.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So hence I.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Would argue that the blood found in the home, since
they're not saying it's the defendants and they're saying it's
not shaw.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Days, it's somebody else's. Is that logical to you? Aaron Maybon?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Sure, yeah, Nancy, Okay, going forward from there, Doctor Eric
Eston joining me Board Certified Forensic Pathologists consultant on Facebook,
Eric August Easton, Doctor Easton, thank you for being with
us just in a nutshell, and I'll delve back into
it before Aaron maybe gets called off to a scene.
(13:09):
Doctor Aesen, isn't it relatively easy for a medical examiner
like yourself, who has performed literally thousands of autopsies to
determine whether or not a torso has been submerged in
water going to.
Speaker 9 (13:22):
Be bloated for sure, because being under the warn of
the bacteria are going to multiply and release the gas.
And that's when we actually bring the torso up to
the surface, it's going to look different than if the
torso is placed simply on the land. You're going to
get some decomposition that's going to occur, but you're not
going to have some of the bloating that we were
(13:43):
talking about in.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
The last hours.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Multiple updates in the murder case of Teen Girls shaw
D Robinson, the first date murderer. She thinks she's got
a wonderful guy for a date. He's a son of
a Milwaukee million air in his thirties, in and out
of a job as a bartender. First date, she's never
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seen alive again with me an all star panel including
Aaron Maybin, Fox six out of Milwaukee. But back to you,
doctor Eric Esen, Isn't it true, I'm just talking off
the top of my head here that if a body
had been underwater, we would have at least vascular marbling,
We would have dark discoloration of the skin and the
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soft tissues. After about a week or so, you would
have bloating of the body. Even if it is just
a torso, it would be bloated. And what you have
the beginnings of putrification. Isn't that true?
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Yes, it is definitely true.
Speaker 9 (14:44):
Also good a factor in temperature too, though, I mean,
I think it's still pretty cold up in Milwaukee right now,
so that may slow down some of the decomposition process.
But the bloating is definitely probably going to occur with
the body that's under the water.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
We are also discovering aerin may been that the torso
that was found the legs were cut off below the hip.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Yeah, that first severed torso right below the hip is
where that that cutting happened?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know, I find that unusual, Aaron, And I'll tell
you why when you when I've seen other dismemberments, the
dismemberment occurs at the joint. And I'm wondering exactly how
this was done. Why because it's easier. I don't know
if you've ever cooked a chicken before, or cut up
(15:35):
a chicken to cook a chicken, maybe you've seen.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Your mom do it.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's not to compare chickens with people, but that is
how a dismemberment is more easily done, and that's a
typical method of dismemberment. What more do you know about
this torso being dismembered just below the hip?
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Yeah, so that's where it all began. We just know
that prosecutors. Prosecutors are saying it it actually is kind
of close to that that joint where that first severed
leg was discovered. So think, I think you're not too
far off with where that cutting happened according to prosecutors too. Unfortunately,
we didn't get other details, wouldn't the torso and the
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arm we're found. We don't know exactly according to the
sheriff's office, where that cutting happened, Nancy, So still some
kind of gray areas there, but where that first severed
leg was found, according to the prosecutors in this case,
it is close to that joint. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So when you said we don't know where the cutting happened,
you mean the dismemberment of the body, not the location
where the body was dismembered.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Is that right, correct?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, which leads me to a whole another line of
questioning Aaron Maybon, and that is if she was dismembered
and the blood found in his home isn't his because
they've got access to his DNA.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
They would tell us if it was his DNA and it's.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Not hers, the dismemberment didn't happen there, then where did
it happen? Speaking of searching the home, listen to this.
Speaker 10 (17:10):
Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of
his West Milwaukee home. According to a law enforcement source,
cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close
friend of Anderson said that on a visit to Anderson's
home last year, he noticed a large hole in the
ground that was about five feet long bay six foot deep.
Anderson said he was working on an underground basement, despite
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having a large basement in the home already. Neighbors say
the basement in the home had small windows that were
always covered so you could not see inside.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Joining me is high profile lawyer Eric Fattus, trial lawyer,
TV analyst founding partner Varner Fattus, elite legal and to
my purpose as a former felony prosecutor, you can't be
a felony prosecutor for very long without catching a couple
of homicide cases.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Eric Fattus, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It just keeps coming, doesn't it, More and more evidence
for the prosecution in this case. And I don't care
what anybody's saying when there is a significant amount of
blood in the locations in which it was found, and
I'm going to circle back to Aaron Maybman in just
one moment to get those locations. It's not the defendants,
it's not the victim, Shahdai. I mean a sex dungeon,
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a backyard grave already, dug.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Eric Fattis. There's got to be more victims.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And the fact that we now know he disposed of
portions of Shadai's body in the water, there is.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No telling what else what other crimes he may have committed.
Speaker 11 (18:43):
Yeah, Nancy Asty said, you know, with each week it
seems like there is a new horrifying revelation in this case.
And so now we're hearing about the blood that does
not belong to Shaddy Robinson. Whose blood is that If
it's not Maxwell Anderson, it's not Shoddy Robinson, it's another person's.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
It's likely another victims.
Speaker 11 (19:00):
And so I'll be interested to hear what put police
and the government find in searching some of these bodies
of water. Because that is where Maxwell Anderson allegedly has
dumped the remains of his victims. And what other remains
are we going to see? That?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
That's kind of what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Volunteers are still looking for parts of Chahda's body behind
bars right now. The son of a multi millionaire Milwaukee
businessman who was a part time bartender at the time,
has he had any meaningful interrogations with police? Where is
the rest of Shahde's body? And in light of a
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backyard grave already dug mystery blood throughout his home, a
sex dungeon found in the basement, it leaves one to
speculate are there more victims?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Crime stories? With Nancy Grace with me an all star pedel.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
But now to special guests, doctor Jory Craws and psychologists
former law enforcement faculty Saint Leo University.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Doctor Jory, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Explain a sex link, restraints, handcuffs and this was all
kept secret. The windows, according to an acquaintance of the suspect,
were darkened. We're boarded over or covered so no one
can look out or in. This was kept away and
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for lack of a better word, a basement layer explain.
Speaker 12 (20:41):
Yeah, that would be a behavioral prove of information for
anybody that could really properly understand it. First off, with
the sex offenders, they want isolation, they want privacy that
gives them time. Also, the biggest thing and when looking
at behavior, is that they're going to build a fantasy
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from it. That's how they're going to remember this. So
what they do and what they can use to trigger
that fantasy is going to be very important evidentiary. That's
why a lot of them will take what police identify
as trophies like an identification car, driver's license, some clothing,
some personal items so they can relive that fantasy that
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they've created. Now the restraints that they're using or that
they can use in these like what's found here, That
comes down to that power and control. One of the
things that I look at as a behavior is would
be where the sight of the dismemberment would be. If
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it's not in the house, then it's going to be
somewhere else. And again that is not so much as
a sexual behavior, but it's an after the fact behavior
that now they've got to deal with getting rid of
this evidence. That would also lead me to believe that
this is not his first homicide. There seems to be
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a pattern there the blood at the site. It may
prove to be of other victims that were possibly injured
or dismembered there at the house.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Doctor Droy Krausen, you mentioned power and control and having
dealt and investigated several dismemberment cases, the ultimate power and
control over your victim is not only killing them, but
a step beyond that and dismembering their body. Putting their
body in various locations, hiding them is just another assault
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on your victim and the memory of the victim.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
That's true.
Speaker 12 (22:50):
The dismemberment in this I look at as evidentiary because
he's he's got to get rid of it. Some killers
like Ted Bundy, he put his bodies intact someplace where
he could come back, you know, like the necrophilia and
visit with the body in its entirety. This behavior is
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different where like to say, it becomes getting rid of
the evidence. He's still going to have things there to
fantasize and recall the event, but this now becomes, you know,
removing the evidence in any connection to it.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Joining us right now.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sidney Sumner, Sidney.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I noticed in the amended affidavit police they probably cause affidavit.
Police very carefully amended the prior information to state that
blood found in the suspect's home is not a match
to Shade Robinson, the teen girl whose body parts are
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still being discovered by volunteers. We know police have the
suspects of DNA. That's a very quick test to get
a DNA, like a field test done at times of war.
What can you tell me about the location of the
blood found in the suspect's home, Sydney, Absolutely.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
Nancy, that blood was found on a comforter. We're not
sure exactly where that betting was found. Maybe Anderson's bedroom.
And there was also blood on a wall of a
stairwell leading to Anderson's basement. And neither of those patches
are matches to Shawde Robinson. Unclear who they belonged to.
Maybe weorth talking about another victim.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Eric Fattus joining me, high profile lawyer and legal analyst.
We know that, for instance, a DNA sample, like a
field test, you can get a yes no answer in
five to ten minutes, as was done from years and
years and years at times of war when you have
to identify it remains. If you want more information, it
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can take hours. If you want information a DNA result
that you want to take to a jury, then that
can take weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
That said Eric Fattus. If they have the.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Defendants of blood, then they should know and be able
to isolate the blood found in his home and tell
us whether it's his blood or the victim's blood.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm very concerned that there's more. There are more.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Victims, and now we have a sex dungeon rearing its
ugly head in his basement.
Speaker 11 (25:36):
Yeah, you know, Nasie, I think the community shares your
concern about possible extra victims. And when we look at
this blood sample, that they have the defendant's blood, and
so it would be relatively easy to get at least
a preliminary determination as with the blood in his house
matched him, and if it did, they should tell the
public that. So the public isn't worried about these potential
(25:57):
other victims. They haven't done that. So I must infer
from that that the police department is at least has
a concern that there are other victims of this defendant,
and hopefully they're actively looking into them.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Guys over the weekend. It was Shadai's mom, Sheenas Carboro's birthday,
and she says, and I quote, that's all I want
for my birthday, Shade's mom, pleading for help finding the
rest of her daughter's remains. Can you imagine that that's
(26:36):
what you want for your birthday, the rest of your
daughter's body parts. This as a suspects sitting in jail
with three hots and a cot, refusing to tell police
all the places he allegedly scattered shah Day's remains a
first date murder and dismemberment, and she had been so
(27:03):
excited for this first date. A group of about twenty
people in the last forty eight hours were in the
Milwaukee River with wetsuits and boats as they continue the
search for shaw Day, Robinson and joining right now Keith
krmickan underwater search and rescue recovery expert searching for shaw
(27:26):
Day in bodies of water. Keith Cormickan tell me about
the search of the Milwaukee River.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
I am familiar with the river, but I know it's
a very shallow, rocky, very rocky river, so it's going
to be very difficult to search and be best all by.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Diving twenty people out on Saturday with wetsuits and boats.
Why do you say it is or is not too
shallow for diving.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
It would be the best case scenario is to put
divers in to search that area.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Mister Kormickin, tell me about your search for shaw Day.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Sure, So I searched along the shoreline of the park
that the leg was found. We searched a shallow area
out to about ten feet one hundred and fifty feet
off a shore. This area is found to be very rocky,
from anywhere from six to two foot round boulders lined
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along the shoreline and off the shore. So that's the
area that we had been there and searched. Visibility is
about two feet of visibility is what we had with
the remote operated vehicle.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Does your vehicle have size scan centar?
Speaker 7 (28:45):
My ROV has forward facing sonar, so it shines forward.
So it's a very high end sonar.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
But in a rocky area like this, sonar is not
going to work.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
No, because you can't distinguish between rocks and body parts.
It's not a disjuncture. We're not looking for a body
which would show up even in roy a rocky area
because you can make out the outline of it, but
if you're looking for your body parts with the rocky bottom,
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you won't be able to tell what you're seeing. Guys
with Me is an underwater search and recovery expert Keith
kormickin Also with Me Sidney Summer Crimeonline dot Com investigative
reporter Sidney, what can you tell me about gas cans
being found.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
In the suspects home? And I want to just ask
one more time about the blood the location of the blood.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
Nancy, they found those gas cans in the bloodstains on
that search warrant from April fourth, gas cans were found
in the garage and that just further corroborates that Anderson
is responsible for that car fire. We remember he was
scene entering a bus just after the fire started, carrying
a ten backpack matching multiple witness descriptions. And that blood
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again was found on betting, on a comforter and on
the wall of a stairwell leading down to the basement
where that sex dungeon apparently is.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I guess I need to shrink on this one, Attorney
Eric Faddis, But who digs a grave in the backyard
and doesn't use it.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
What is that? Saving it for later? What's that exactly?
Speaker 11 (30:42):
I mean, you don't need a PhD to find out
kind of what a person's intention was. It's a five
feet by six feet grave. It's a human body size. Okay,
everyone knows that. And so you know what was this
guy planning that? This took place in my understanding months
before the shot in Robinson incident, and so you know
what did he have in his mind? What were his
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plans for seaw day as well as potentially others?
Speaker 12 (31:07):
Nay?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Can I chime in?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Jump that grave?
Speaker 12 (31:11):
To me as a behavior is he's looking for the
perfect victim to fit in that grave. Okay, He's doing
a lot of prowling from what I've been reading about
you the internet.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
He's working at the bar.
Speaker 12 (31:24):
He's looking for the perfect victim to fit in that grave.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And you think a bartender is just making you a drink,
and the whole time he's looking at you, looking at
your driver's license in you hand to prove Dob.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Think about it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
His dad and a walking millionaire offers him a job,
gives him nepotism, nepotism, a job in his insurance brokerage firms.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I recall that's what it.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Was Sydney summer. But he can't hold a job. He
can't hold it at thirty three. He's a part time bartender.
When he can hold down a job scoping out in
a hut like a hunter, like doctor Jewry Crass and said,
and let me remind everybody he's innocent for now until
the state proves him guilty.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But what fatus you said that?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Then?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but let's just
pretend that you're right.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
That the grave was dug in the backyard well before
he had a date as first date murder with shah
Da Robinson, the teen girl college student.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
What was it for? Well, who was it for?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And if it was for any other purpose, why wasn't
it used and covered up? Did nobody notice there's a
grave in the backyard. I got a neighbor that can
tell you everything that happens in my backyard.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Nobody noticed a grave back there?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, totally fair questions.
Speaker 11 (32:49):
And it sounds like at least one of the friends
or acquaintances of Max Linderson was aware of this grave
in the back and end the explanation that the suspect
Max Anderson gave doesn't make any sense that he was
building another underground basemook when he already had like a
full underground basement in his in his primary residence.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
Makes no sense.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
And so you know, anybody with a mind is going
to look at this and start thinking, what other uses
was he trying to put this to? What other people
was he eyeing down for purposes of this backyard grave.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Back to Sydney Sumner, speaking of cell phone pays. We
saw what digital footprints can do in a trial such
as the Alex Murnaud trial and the double murder trial
for the slave of his wife and son, or what
we see it doing in the Brian Coburger quadruple sleigh
out in Idaho. Tell me about the digital data in
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this case, Sydney, Nancy.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
In this case, the cell phone data starts with Robinson's
text messages with Maxwell Anderson before their date Monday evening.
So they texted around five pm to decide where to
eat that night, and they arrived at Twisted Fishermen around
six point thirty. Excuse me five. They arrived at five
pm and they left around six point thirty. This all
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indicated by Robinson's cell phone from the Twisted Fishermen. The
couple traveled to Duke's on Water and this was also
evidenced by Robinson's cell phone. They stayed there until about
nine PM, and Robinson sent his snapchat to her friend
from Dukes that she turned that in when she reported
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Robinson missing. The next morning, from Dukes, they traveled to
Anderson's home and her phone was there until about twelve
forty five am at Ping's near Pleasant Valley Park, then
Ping's at Warnemont Park where its phone battery dies at
four thirty five am. That was her last known location.
Robinson's family also had Life three sixty groups. They were
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also able to track her using that app aside from
her pings, and they have been out searching those areas
evidenced by that Milwaukee River search over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Is it true, Eric, that he waved his preliminary hearing
and what does that mean to you legally?
Speaker 11 (35:08):
That's my understanding. And it's a bit of a head
scratcher on that one, because usually a defendant will wave
their preliminary hearing in exchange for some either plea offer
or some promise of future negotiations. Because if there's no
plea offer on the table and offense going to trial anyway.
Usually they say, hey, prosecution, you've got to prove the
probable cause at the preliminary hearing. You're not giving me
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anything to wave in exchange for this, so you'll prove it.
The fact that he waived it is a bit of
a head scratcher. I don't know if any communications that
have taken place between the prosecution and defense regarding a
plead Eric Fattis.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
There may have been other reasons that the lawyers waived
a preliminary hearing. They may not have wanted him back
in court for more pictures, for more publicity, because hey,
looks like a kill in court.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
He looks spoiled right now. I don't want to say.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That because the oppression he's giving in court is not
a good one. You know, the state has enough PC
probable cause to move forward, so why put it on
parade in open court?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, NaN's if that's a solid point.
Speaker 11 (36:20):
You know, the community is already beginning to have an
impression of this defendant, and perhaps perhaps defense did not
want to further worsen that impression that everyone already has
of their client by by going to a probable cause
hearing and airing out all of these egregious, horrendous alleged
facts against Maxwell Anderson here. So perhaps that was the
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strategy of waving the preliminary hearing.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
As this case inches toward trial, we stop to remember
an American hero, Sergeant Alec Langan, just twenty three years old.
Alec Lingan dies in a helicopter crash with four other
Marines Feb six, twenty twenty four. Awarded the Navy and
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Marine Corps Achievement Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and two
Sea Service Deployment Ribbons. He leaves behind grieving wife Casey
and parents Karen and Stephen. American hero Sergeant Alec lancoln
I want to thank all of our guests for being
with us tonight, but especially to you for being with.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Us tonight and every night.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Breaking use tonight bombshell DNA breakthrough in the case of
teen girl Shade Robinson.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Blood found in suspect Maxwell Anderson home.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Does not belong to shaw Day, the mystery blood, a
backyard grave already dug, and the discovery of a basement
sex dungeon? Are there more victims? Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
As volunteer searchers try to locate all of teen girl
Shade Robinson's remains. A fourth set of body parts, this
time at a remote tree line stretch of beach along
South Michigan. Just after seven am, someone walking along a
South Milwaukee waterline discovered an arm and torso. The remains
washed ashore about a quarter of a mile from a
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nearby apartment complex. Residents watched as officers carried a body
bag down the cliff to recover the body parts. Police
have continued their search, using a sonar detection book to
scour the lake.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
What hell, I mean, pure hell? Are Shade's parents going through?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This? Young girl in college now appearing.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
This is the fourth set of remains, this time a
torso what else is missing? And how can they hope
to ever bury their girl when they don't have her
entire body? A first date turns to murder a torso
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just being discovered. We are convinced it belongs to teen girls.
Shaw Day, how did the whole thing start? Listen?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Shade Robinson, nineteen, is excited for her first date with
Maxwell Anderson, a local bartender. The pair decide on seafood,
and Max will take Robinson to the Twisted Fisherman, a
place he used to work. After dinner, the date continues
at Dukes On Water, and Anderson invites Robinson back to
his home. Around twelve thirty four am. Robinson's car leaves
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Anderson's home and makes several stops around Milwaukee, spending nearly
two hours at a pumphouse in Warnermont Park. The next day,
Robinson doesn't show up for work, and a concerned coworker
reports her missing. Hours later, a severed human leg is
found on the shore of Lake Michigan, down a bluff
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from Warnermont Park.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Listen to the Milwaukee County Sheriff.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Subsequently, a Milwaukee police officer who was aware of our
investigation raised the possibility that the leg may be related
to a missing person investigation that they were conducting, and
that missing person was Sadan Robinson. The severed leg has
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been preliminarily identified as belonging to miss Robinson.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Joining me in All Star panel.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But first for the very latest out to Aaron Maybin,
investigative reporter and anchor for Fox six in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Aerin, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
There's so much happening and so quickly in the Shade
Robinson case. But first I want to go to the torso.
We have a torso, a female torso, that has washed up,
so to speak. We have unidentified blood, Aaron Maybin, and
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not just blood.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Aaron.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
For instance, if I go to your home and I
see a few spots of blood around your bathroom.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Sink, I think, oh, hey, gout his face shaving.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
This is blood on betting going up the wall from
the basement.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And we know that the basement now on.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Covered was a sex dungeon, and blood elsewhere in the
whole blood where it shouldn't be in the normal course
of one's routine.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So with all of this happening, I can't help but
wonder are there more victims?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Since that blood does not match sha Day, and we
have reason to believe it doesn't match the defendant, the suspect.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
But back to the Torso, tell me everything.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Well, you know this all began with a severed leg
at a parking cut, Hay, and it just sparked so
much mystery. And that's what this case has been, Nancy,
a ton of mystery. Where are these body parts? First
off coming from? And then we later learned that it
is Shade Robinson who's been a missing girl. And then
just the series of events continued to pile up. The
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latest was that arm in Torso that washed up on shore.
Someone was walking along the beach, Nancy, and they found
this arm and torso. Now let's go back that severed leg,
because these places where they were found really not close
to each other. They're a few miles away, about a
ten minute drive from each other, and police were quickly
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able to identify that this arm and torso were that
of Shade Robinson's.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Guys, you're hearing Aaron Maybon from Fox six speaking, so
a ten minute drive between Now we've got four different
series of body parts, so you're saying, a ten minute
drive from what to what?
Speaker 6 (05:31):
From where that first severed leg was found on April second.
This is a north side of Milwaukee, and then a
few days later is when that arm and torso were found.
This is a very wooded area, a beachy area with
tons of gravel, and people walk along the shore. It's
super pretty, so people definitely were not expecting to find
body parts there.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Trying to figure something out.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
When you say rocky, do you mean as in Pacific
Coast rocky or do you mean cliff You look down
on rocks rocky.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
More gravel instead of sand instead of sand, and beach
in that area, think of walking on rocks, not necessarily
a cliff. That's going to be more of that cut
a hay area that Warnamut Park area where the severed
leg was found, that was more cliff like. This is
less less cliff like.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
So question does it appear, Aaron Maybon Fox six, Milwaukee,
that her remains washed ashore or they were discarded there.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Well, we know that people found it as they were
walking along the beach and it was washed ashore. Milwaukee
Police in the Sheriff's office have not really released those
details on where they were discarded, how they got there.
But the current with Lake Michigan is so fascinating. You
can drop something somewhere and then it can end up
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miles away to just by the way that the water
moves there.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
In addition to Fox six is Aaron Maybin joining me
is an expert in exactly that. Keith cormickin underwater search
and recovery expert, director of Bruce's Legacy, searching for shah
Day in Bodies of Water. Keith, thank you for taking
time out to be with us tonight. Keith, explain your
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understanding the discovery of shah Day, this last discovery. It's
very hard for me to look at her and her
photos in life now that I feel like I've gotten
to know her. A girl making all a's in college,
a girl holding down multiple jobs, paying for her own car,
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her own apartment, really had a plan for her life.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Just this joyful person.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And now I'm talking about the fourth set of body
parts discovered. But Keith cormickin underwater search recovery expert, this
part of her body, the torso, is found along a
rocky beach area, and I'm trying to determine do you
think it's like Lacey and Connor Peterson after the husband
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Scott Peterson murdered Lacey. After a period of time, her
remains washed up on San Francisco Bay or was she
domp with shade dumped in this location.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Nancy, I honestly don't think that she was dumped in
this location. Based on the information that I have, I
think the probability is that that torsoa was probably dumped
in the area where the leg was by that Warnermont Park.
Because of torso is the part of our body that
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will tend to build gas and rise to the surface,
and then once it rises to the surface, then it's
all dependent on wind and waves where it's going to go.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
And it's.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
Located about four miles south of the park of where
the leg was known to be, and that's not out
of the question to have that part go in that
direction the way the winds have been lately. So it's
my personal belief that I think it's most likely that
that was put in in the area of that one
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of our park and it came up during that time.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Wait, that is very vague, Keith Kormickin, you're an expert
at underwater search and recovery, but let me work on
your phraseology just one moment. I'm trying to determine, like
the other three sets of body parts, was this torso
placed on earth at that beach or was.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That torso thrown into water?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And I have a very specific reason for asking water
earth which one?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
From what I.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Understand, it was looked like it washed up on the beach.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay solinated to hear washed up? That means water. And
I'm sorry to rush you.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I have one hour to get through the developments Shawde's case.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Why am I in a rush?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Because there's a very strong possibility that there are other victims.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
And you know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Aaron Maybin, If you don't know a horse, look at
his track record? Has he put other victims? Specifically? Who
was that grave Doug for in his backyard? Whose blood
is that on his wall?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Who else had been in that sex torture chamber that
he had in his basement?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
So if he put part of shaw Day in the water,
ergo has he put other victims in the water?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
See where I'm going with this?
Speaker 6 (10:38):
I want to go back to what police are sharing
because I wanted to stick to what we know, and
there's so much that we are still working to get.
But we know that right now police are just searching
for shaw Dee Robinson in connection to Maxwell Anderson. But
we did learn in a preliminary hearing just a few
days ago that the blood that was found inside Maxwell
Anderson's home a swabbed bedding. They swabbed a wall in
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the basement. We know that that blood was not shah
De Robinson's DNA. I don't want to go too far
talking about you know what else it could be, but
we do know that it's not shad Robinson's blood and
that was a development that came in that preliminary hearing too.
But police are only telling us right now, Nancy, that
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they are looking at Maxwell Anderson and shah De Robinson together.
They're not putting any other speculation out there, any other
rumors out there either.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Can I just do a lightning round with you, Aaron,
just a quickie, let's do it. Isn't it true that
civilians are the ones that find the body parts?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (11:42):
No, sure in this case.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
And isn't it also true that a civilian found the blanket,
the Pit Tribute blanket that was Shade's near Shade some
of her remains civilians?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yes? No, yes, okay?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And isn't it also true, Aaron Maybon, that civilians are
the ones that are out searching for shah.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Day and any of her remaining body parts. Isn't that true?
Speaker 6 (12:13):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
My point is police are saying right now, we're only
looking at shah Day as a victim.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Really, okay, let's move forward with what we know.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
We know that the police have the suspects of blood,
they've got his DNA. Obviously, we know that they have
shah Day's DNA.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So hence I.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Would argue that the blood found in the home, since
they're not saying it's the defendants and they're saying it's
not shaw.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Days, it's somebody else's. Is that logical to you? Aaron Maybon?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Sure, yeah, Nancy, Okay, going forward from there, Doctor Eric
Eston joining me Board Certified Forensic Pathologists consultant on Facebook,
Eric August Easton, Doctor Easton, thank you for being with
us just in a nutshell, and I'll delve back into
it before Aaron maybe gets called off to a scene.
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Doctor Aesen, isn't it relatively easy for a medical examiner
like yourself, who has performed literally thousands of autopsies to
determine whether or not a torso has been submerged in
water going to.
Speaker 9 (13:22):
Be bloated for sure, because being under the warn of
the bacteria are going to multiply and release the gas.
And that's when we actually bring the torso up to
the surface, it's going to look different than if the
torso is placed simply on the land. You're going to
get some decomposition that's going to occur, but you're not
going to have some of the bloating that we were
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talking about in.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
The last hours.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Multiple updates in the murder case of Teen Girls shaw
D Robinson, the first date murderer. She thinks she's got
a wonderful guy for a date. He's a son of
a Milwaukee million air in his thirties, in and out
of a job as a bartender. First date, she's never
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seen alive again with me an all star panel including
Aaron Maybin, Fox six out of Milwaukee. But back to you,
doctor Eric Esen, Isn't it true, I'm just talking off
the top of my head here that if a body
had been underwater, we would have at least vascular marbling,
We would have dark discoloration of the skin and the
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soft tissues. After about a week or so, you would
have bloating of the body. Even if it is just
a torso, it would be bloated. And what you have
the beginnings of putrification. Isn't that true?
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Yes, it is definitely true.
Speaker 9 (14:44):
Also good a factor in temperature too, though, I mean,
I think it's still pretty cold up in Milwaukee right now,
so that may slow down some of the decomposition process.
But the bloating is definitely probably going to occur with
the body that's under the water.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
We are also discovering aerin may been that the torso
that was found the legs were cut off below the hip.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Yeah, that first severed torso right below the hip is
where that that cutting happened?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know, I find that unusual, Aaron, And I'll tell
you why when you when I've seen other dismemberments, the
dismemberment occurs at the joint. And I'm wondering exactly how
this was done. Why because it's easier. I don't know
if you've ever cooked a chicken before, or cut up
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a chicken to cook a chicken, maybe you've seen.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Your mom do it.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's not to compare chickens with people, but that is
how a dismemberment is more easily done, and that's a
typical method of dismemberment. What more do you know about
this torso being dismembered just below the hip?
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Yeah, so that's where it all began. We just know
that prosecutors. Prosecutors are saying it it actually is kind
of close to that that joint where that first severed
leg was discovered. So think, I think you're not too
far off with where that cutting happened according to prosecutors too. Unfortunately,
we didn't get other details, wouldn't the torso and the
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arm we're found. We don't know exactly according to the
sheriff's office, where that cutting happened, Nancy, So still some
kind of gray areas there, but where that first severed
leg was found, according to the prosecutors in this case,
it is close to that joint. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So when you said we don't know where the cutting happened,
you mean the dismemberment of the body, not the location
where the body was dismembered.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Is that right, correct?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, which leads me to a whole another line of
questioning Aaron Maybon, and that is if she was dismembered
and the blood found in his home isn't his because
they've got access to his DNA.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
They would tell us if it was his DNA and it's.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Not hers, the dismemberment didn't happen there, then where did
it happen? Speaking of searching the home, listen to this.
Speaker 10 (17:10):
Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of
his West Milwaukee home. According to a law enforcement source,
cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close
friend of Anderson said that on a visit to Anderson's
home last year, he noticed a large hole in the
ground that was about five feet long bay six foot deep.
Anderson said he was working on an underground basement, despite
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having a large basement in the home already. Neighbors say
the basement in the home had small windows that were
always covered so you could not see inside.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Joining me is high profile lawyer Eric Fattus, trial lawyer,
TV analyst founding partner Varner Fattus, elite legal and to
my purpose as a former felony prosecutor, you can't be
a felony prosecutor for very long without catching a couple
of homicide cases.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Eric Fattus, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It just keeps coming, doesn't it, More and more evidence
for the prosecution in this case. And I don't care
what anybody's saying when there is a significant amount of
blood in the locations in which it was found, and
I'm going to circle back to Aaron Maybman in just
one moment to get those locations. It's not the defendants,
it's not the victim, Shahdai. I mean a sex dungeon,
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a backyard grave already, dug.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Eric Fattis. There's got to be more victims.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
And the fact that we now know he disposed of
portions of Shadai's body in the water, there is.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
No telling what else what other crimes he may have committed.
Speaker 11 (18:43):
Yeah, Nancy Asty said, you know, with each week it
seems like there is a new horrifying revelation in this case.
And so now we're hearing about the blood that does
not belong to Shaddy Robinson. Whose blood is that If
it's not Maxwell Anderson, it's not Shoddy Robinson, it's another person's.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
It's likely another victims.
Speaker 11 (19:00):
And so I'll be interested to hear what put police
and the government find in searching some of these bodies
of water. Because that is where Maxwell Anderson allegedly has
dumped the remains of his victims. And what other remains
are we going to see? That?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
That's kind of what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Volunteers are still looking for parts of Chahda's body behind
bars right now. The son of a multi millionaire Milwaukee
businessman who was a part time bartender at the time,
has he had any meaningful interrogations with police? Where is
the rest of Shahde's body? And in light of a
(19:38):
backyard grave already dug mystery blood throughout his home, a
sex dungeon found in the basement, it leaves one to
speculate are there more victims?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Crime stories? With Nancy Grace with me an all star pedel.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
But now to special guests, doctor Jory Craws and psychologists
former law enforcement faculty Saint Leo University.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Doctor Jory, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Explain a sex link, restraints, handcuffs and this was all
kept secret. The windows, according to an acquaintance of the suspect,
were darkened. We're boarded over or covered so no one
can look out or in. This was kept away and
(20:36):
for lack of a better word, a basement layer explain.
Speaker 12 (20:41):
Yeah, that would be a behavioral prove of information for
anybody that could really properly understand it. First off, with
the sex offenders, they want isolation, they want privacy that
gives them time. Also, the biggest thing and when looking
at behavior, is that they're going to build a fantasy
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from it. That's how they're going to remember this. So
what they do and what they can use to trigger
that fantasy is going to be very important evidentiary. That's
why a lot of them will take what police identify
as trophies like an identification car, driver's license, some clothing,
some personal items so they can relive that fantasy that
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they've created. Now the restraints that they're using or that
they can use in these like what's found here, That
comes down to that power and control. One of the
things that I look at as a behavior is would
be where the sight of the dismemberment would be. If
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it's not in the house, then it's going to be
somewhere else. And again that is not so much as
a sexual behavior, but it's an after the fact behavior
that now they've got to deal with getting rid of
this evidence. That would also lead me to believe that
this is not his first homicide. There seems to be
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a pattern there the blood at the site. It may
prove to be of other victims that were possibly injured
or dismembered there at the house.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Doctor Droy Krausen, you mentioned power and control and having
dealt and investigated several dismemberment cases, the ultimate power and
control over your victim is not only killing them, but
a step beyond that and dismembering their body. Putting their
body in various locations, hiding them is just another assault
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on your victim and the memory of the victim.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
That's true.
Speaker 12 (22:50):
The dismemberment in this I look at as evidentiary because
he's he's got to get rid of it. Some killers
like Ted Bundy, he put his bodies intact someplace where
he could come back, you know, like the necrophilia and
visit with the body in its entirety. This behavior is
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different where like to say, it becomes getting rid of
the evidence. He's still going to have things there to
fantasize and recall the event, but this now becomes, you know,
removing the evidence in any connection to it.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Joining us right now.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sidney Sumner, Sidney.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I noticed in the amended affidavit police they probably cause affidavit.
Police very carefully amended the prior information to state that
blood found in the suspect's home is not a match
to Shade Robinson, the teen girl whose body parts are
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still being discovered by volunteers. We know police have the
suspects of DNA. That's a very quick test to get
a DNA, like a field test done at times of war.
What can you tell me about the location of the
blood found in the suspect's home, Sydney, Absolutely.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
Nancy, that blood was found on a comforter. We're not
sure exactly where that betting was found. Maybe Anderson's bedroom.
And there was also blood on a wall of a
stairwell leading to Anderson's basement. And neither of those patches
are matches to Shawde Robinson. Unclear who they belonged to.
Maybe weorth talking about another victim.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Eric Fattus joining me, high profile lawyer and legal analyst.
We know that, for instance, a DNA sample, like a
field test, you can get a yes no answer in
five to ten minutes, as was done from years and
years and years at times of war when you have
to identify it remains. If you want more information, it
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can take hours. If you want information a DNA result
that you want to take to a jury, then that
can take weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
That said Eric Fattus. If they have the.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Defendants of blood, then they should know and be able
to isolate the blood found in his home and tell
us whether it's his blood or the victim's blood.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm very concerned that there's more. There are more.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Victims, and now we have a sex dungeon rearing its
ugly head in his basement.
Speaker 11 (25:36):
Yeah, you know, Nasie, I think the community shares your
concern about possible extra victims. And when we look at
this blood sample, that they have the defendant's blood, and
so it would be relatively easy to get at least
a preliminary determination as with the blood in his house
matched him, and if it did, they should tell the
public that. So the public isn't worried about these potential
(25:57):
other victims. They haven't done that. So I must infer
from that that the police department is at least has
a concern that there are other victims of this defendant,
and hopefully they're actively looking into them.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Guys over the weekend. It was Shadai's mom, Sheenas Carboro's birthday,
and she says, and I quote, that's all I want
for my birthday, Shade's mom, pleading for help finding the
rest of her daughter's remains. Can you imagine that that's
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what you want for your birthday, the rest of your
daughter's body parts. This as a suspects sitting in jail
with three hots and a cot, refusing to tell police
all the places he allegedly scattered shah Day's remains a
first date murder and dismemberment, and she had been so
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excited for this first date. A group of about twenty
people in the last forty eight hours were in the
Milwaukee River with wetsuits and boats as they continue the
search for shaw Day, Robinson and joining right now Keith
krmickan underwater search and rescue recovery expert searching for shaw
(27:26):
Day in bodies of water. Keith Cormickan tell me about
the search of the Milwaukee River.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
I am familiar with the river, but I know it's
a very shallow, rocky, very rocky river, so it's going
to be very difficult to search and be best all by.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Diving twenty people out on Saturday with wetsuits and boats.
Why do you say it is or is not too
shallow for diving.
Speaker 7 (27:54):
It would be the best case scenario is to put
divers in to search that area.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Mister Kormickin, tell me about your search for shaw Day.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
Sure, So I searched along the shoreline of the park
that the leg was found. We searched a shallow area
out to about ten feet one hundred and fifty feet
off a shore. This area is found to be very rocky,
from anywhere from six to two foot round boulders lined
(28:29):
along the shoreline and off the shore. So that's the
area that we had been there and searched. Visibility is
about two feet of visibility is what we had with
the remote operated vehicle.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Does your vehicle have size scan centar?
Speaker 7 (28:45):
My ROV has forward facing sonar, so it shines forward.
So it's a very high end sonar.
Speaker 8 (28:51):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
But in a rocky area like this, sonar is not
going to work.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
No, because you can't distinguish between rocks and body parts.
It's not a disjuncture. We're not looking for a body
which would show up even in roy a rocky area
because you can make out the outline of it, but
if you're looking for your body parts with the rocky bottom,
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you won't be able to tell what you're seeing. Guys
with Me is an underwater search and recovery expert Keith
kormickin Also with Me Sidney Summer Crimeonline dot Com investigative
reporter Sidney, what can you tell me about gas cans
being found.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
In the suspects home? And I want to just ask
one more time about the blood the location of the blood.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
Nancy, they found those gas cans in the bloodstains on
that search warrant from April fourth, gas cans were found
in the garage and that just further corroborates that Anderson
is responsible for that car fire. We remember he was
scene entering a bus just after the fire started, carrying
a ten backpack matching multiple witness descriptions. And that blood
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again was found on betting, on a comforter and on
the wall of a stairwell leading down to the basement
where that sex dungeon apparently is.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I guess I need to shrink on this one, Attorney
Eric Faddis, But who digs a grave in the backyard
and doesn't use it.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
What is that? Saving it for later? What's that exactly?
Speaker 11 (30:42):
I mean, you don't need a PhD to find out
kind of what a person's intention was. It's a five
feet by six feet grave. It's a human body size. Okay,
everyone knows that. And so you know what was this
guy planning that? This took place in my understanding months
before the shot in Robinson incident, and so you know
what did he have in his mind? What were his
(31:04):
plans for seaw day as well as potentially others?
Speaker 12 (31:07):
Nay?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Can I chime in?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Jump that grave?
Speaker 12 (31:11):
To me as a behavior is he's looking for the
perfect victim to fit in that grave. Okay, He's doing
a lot of prowling from what I've been reading about
you the internet.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
He's working at the bar.
Speaker 12 (31:24):
He's looking for the perfect victim to fit in that grave.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And you think a bartender is just making you a drink,
and the whole time he's looking at you, looking at
your driver's license in you hand to prove Dob.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Think about it.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
His dad and a walking millionaire offers him a job,
gives him nepotism, nepotism, a job in his insurance brokerage firms.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I recall that's what it.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Was Sydney summer. But he can't hold a job. He
can't hold it at thirty three. He's a part time bartender.
When he can hold down a job scoping out in
a hut like a hunter, like doctor Jewry Crass and said,
and let me remind everybody he's innocent for now until
the state proves him guilty.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But what fatus you said that?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Then?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but let's just
pretend that you're right.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
That the grave was dug in the backyard well before
he had a date as first date murder with shah
Da Robinson, the teen girl college student.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
What was it for? Well, who was it for?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And if it was for any other purpose, why wasn't
it used and covered up? Did nobody notice there's a
grave in the backyard. I got a neighbor that can
tell you everything that happens in my backyard.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Nobody noticed a grave back there?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, totally fair questions.
Speaker 11 (32:49):
And it sounds like at least one of the friends
or acquaintances of Max Linderson was aware of this grave
in the back and end the explanation that the suspect
Max Anderson gave doesn't make any sense that he was
building another underground basemook when he already had like a
full underground basement in his in his primary residence.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
Makes no sense.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
And so you know, anybody with a mind is going
to look at this and start thinking, what other uses
was he trying to put this to? What other people
was he eyeing down for purposes of this backyard grave.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Back to Sydney Sumner, speaking of cell phone pays. We
saw what digital footprints can do in a trial such
as the Alex Murnaud trial and the double murder trial
for the slave of his wife and son, or what
we see it doing in the Brian Coburger quadruple sleigh
out in Idaho. Tell me about the digital data in
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this case, Sydney, Nancy.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
In this case, the cell phone data starts with Robinson's
text messages with Maxwell Anderson before their date Monday evening.
So they texted around five pm to decide where to
eat that night, and they arrived at Twisted Fishermen around
six point thirty. Excuse me five. They arrived at five
pm and they left around six point thirty. This all
(34:08):
indicated by Robinson's cell phone from the Twisted Fishermen. The
couple traveled to Duke's on Water and this was also
evidenced by Robinson's cell phone. They stayed there until about
nine PM, and Robinson sent his snapchat to her friend
from Dukes that she turned that in when she reported
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Robinson missing. The next morning, from Dukes, they traveled to
Anderson's home and her phone was there until about twelve
forty five am at Ping's near Pleasant Valley Park, then
Ping's at Warnemont Park where its phone battery dies at
four thirty five am. That was her last known location.
Robinson's family also had Life three sixty groups. They were
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also able to track her using that app aside from
her pings, and they have been out searching those areas
evidenced by that Milwaukee River search over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Is it true, Eric, that he waved his preliminary hearing
and what does that mean to you legally?
Speaker 11 (35:08):
That's my understanding. And it's a bit of a head
scratcher on that one, because usually a defendant will wave
their preliminary hearing in exchange for some either plea offer
or some promise of future negotiations. Because if there's no
plea offer on the table and offense going to trial anyway.
Usually they say, hey, prosecution, you've got to prove the
probable cause at the preliminary hearing. You're not giving me
(35:31):
anything to wave in exchange for this, so you'll prove it.
The fact that he waived it is a bit of
a head scratcher. I don't know if any communications that
have taken place between the prosecution and defense regarding a
plead Eric Fattis.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
There may have been other reasons that the lawyers waived
a preliminary hearing. They may not have wanted him back
in court for more pictures, for more publicity, because hey,
looks like a kill in court.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
He looks spoiled right now. I don't want to say.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That because the oppression he's giving in court is not
a good one. You know, the state has enough PC
probable cause to move forward, so why put it on
parade in open court?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, NaN's if that's a solid point.
Speaker 11 (36:20):
You know, the community is already beginning to have an
impression of this defendant, and perhaps perhaps defense did not
want to further worsen that impression that everyone already has
of their client by by going to a probable cause
hearing and airing out all of these egregious, horrendous alleged
facts against Maxwell Anderson here. So perhaps that was the
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strategy of waving the preliminary hearing.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
As this case inches toward trial, we stop to remember
an American hero, Sergeant Alec Langan, just twenty three years old.
Alec Lingan dies in a helicopter crash with four other
Marines Feb six, twenty twenty four. Awarded the Navy and
(37:05):
Marine Corps Achievement Medal, National Defense Service Medal, and two
Sea Service Deployment Ribbons. He leaves behind grieving wife Casey
and parents Karen and Stephen. American hero Sergeant Alec lancoln
I want to thank all of our guests for being
with us tonight, but especially to you for being with.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Us tonight and every night.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend,
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