May 20, 2023 • 41 mins
A 5-year-old Georgia boy, Cairo Ammar Jordan, found dead in a suitcase in Indiana laid to rest. His mother, Dejuane Ludie accused in his death, but she is still at large. Indiana police say another suspect, 40-year-old Dawn Elaine Coleman of Shreveport, Louisiana, is in custody.
Investigators say the little boy died from an electrolyte imbalance. The medical examiner says that the imbalance was most likely due to a “viral gastroenteritis” caused by excessive vomiting or diarrhea.
Toxicology tests came back negative and the boy had no severe injuries. Police do not believe the boy was alive when he was placed inside the suitcase.
A mushroom hunter found the hardshell suitcase, which features the famous “Welcome to Las Vegas” sign. The boy's mother posted online recently saying she believed the child was really a 100-year-old demon.
TIPLINE: Indiana State Police (888) 437-6432 (within Indiana) or Detective Matt Busick, Indiana State Police in Sellersburg (812) 248-4374 or (800) 872-6743
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Steve Kramer - Former FBI Attorney and Federal Prosecutor, President: Indago Solutions, Indago.ai, Led the team that identified the Golden State Killer, Co-Founder of the FBI's Forensic Genetic Genealogy (FGG) Program
- Dr. Thomas Plante - The Augustin Cardinal Bea, S.J., Professor of Psychology and Religious Studies, Santa Clara University; Adjunct Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Stanford University School of Medicine; Editor, Spirituality in Clinical Practice; Author: " Human Interaction with the Divine, the Sacred, and the Deceased: Psychological, Scientific, and Theological Perspectives."
- Detective Matt Busick - Investigations, Indiana State Police (Sellersburg, IN)
- Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan"
- Max Lewis - Reporter, FOX59 (Indianapolis), Twitter/Instagram: @MaxLewisTV, Facebook.com/MaxLewisTV
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Somebody knows something well. Truer
words were never spoken. And then in the case of
a boy in a suitcase, a little boy, a beautiful
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little boy literally found in a suitcase dead. When the
case first hit the headlines, it was quite the furor.
A classic Las Vegas Welcome to Las Vegas suitcase with
the iconic sticker on the side was found seemingly out
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in the middle of nowhere in the woods in Salem, Indiana,
his small body stuffed into a Welcome to the Fabulous
Las Vegas suitcase? Is this real? The prime suspect, his
mom still on the run. An entire year after this
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taught's body found stuffed in a suitcase. I mean to see, Grace,
this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
here at Foxcination in Serious XM one eleven. I will
never forget it. This little child, beautiful little boy, found
dehydration the cause of death caused by gastro territis. What
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a painful and slow suffering death this five year old
boy had. And now we know who is the purp.
The purp is his own mother. Why is she still
on the run? How is she able to outsmart police, FBI,
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bounty hunters, dog trackers, the works, or are are they
simply not focusing on apprehending her as a little five
year old boy somehow lost in the shuffle. It's his
life less important than other people's. Do you remember the
(02:16):
man hunt or should I say woman hunt for Caitlin
Armstrong accused of gunning down a beautiful pro cycler Mariah
because of a love triangle. They trunck Armstrong down all
the way in disguise in Costa Rica. Oh yeah, they
found her because it was the high profile case. But
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seemingly nobody cares about this little four feet tall, slim built,
short hair little boy for so long an unknown angel.
Listen to our friend's whas now.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The discovery was made by a person hunting for mushrooms
over the weekend. Also new today, autopsy was performed. We
do know that police day the boy is only five
to eight years old. They had that he could have
been from anywhere, not just southern Indiana. Investigators say they
have been searching the wooded area where the boy was found,
but the information has not led them to any answers.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And that is how the mystery, the puzzle began. But
I'm still overwhelmed by just the words. A little boy
folded up dead in a suitcase, a Vegas suitcase found
in Indiana, but they have no idea where this little
boy was from. Take a listen to our friends at
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wd RB right now.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Indiana State Please isn't giving too many details on this case,
but investigators do believe that somebody out there knows something
that can help them figure out who this child wants.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
We are looking for the public's help and finding out
the name of this child, this little boy who deserves answers.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
He deserves our help.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Sergeant Carrie Hols said Saturday night, a mushroom hunter in
the woods in rural Washington County discovered the body of
a young boy.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
He noticed something and went to investigate, and that's what
he found. So very disturbing, very shocking, very traumatic event,
very sad event.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
The man who found this boy, Jeff Meridith, is in
agony knowing he was one of the last people to
see this child's face.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
When I first saw that little fella, immediately I felt
that he was telling me, help me, I need help.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It sounds like it's out of an Agatha Christie mystery.
A mushroom hunter, how likely is that? Very unlikely? Finds
a suitcase, opens a suitcase and finds a little boy
dead inside. The first place you start is what was
the cod cause of death? Listen, our friends, whas eleven, a.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
Boy found dead in southern Indiana, remains nameless. His story
and the suitcase he was found in have gained national attention,
hundreds tips submitted and still no answers except for one.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
We now know how the boy died.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
At this time, there's no evidence, then leads investigators to
believe that he was alive when he went into the suitcase.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Sergeant Carrie Hole says investigators got the autopsy and toxicology
reports on May twentieth, seven days later, they share this
unnamed boy died from an electrolyte imbalance.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Most likely due to gastro enteritis, which in common Layman's
term would be vomiting in diarrhea and that resulted in
dehydration fatal dehydration.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
And he says the toxicology report found nothing significant.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So if a little boy dies of vomiting and diarrhea,
nobody noticed that he was vomiting and had horrible diarrhea
till he was being starved. There was nothing in him anymore,
and he just died. Where was he? And I guarantee
it and crawl into a suitcase and die and close
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that suitcase and maneuver it into the woods in Indiana.
That didn't happen. So we have a cod cause of death,
but still no name. Well, that little boy now has
a name. Listen to our friends at the Indiana State Police.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
At this time, we can also identify, excuse me, identify
the young man that was found in the suitcase.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
He was Cairo Amar Jordan.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Cairo Amar Jordan was from Atlanta, Jordan, Georgia.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
Excuse me.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
He was five years old at the time of his
death and Cairo would have turned six on October twenty fourth. Again,
Cairo Amar Jordan, he was five from Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
A man hunting for mushrooms made the discovery in Washington County,
Indiana on April sixteenth, but it wasn't until today that
investigators identified the little boy found inside as Cairo Jordan
from Metro Atlanta. People who live in that Indiana community
have weeded since bring for answers. They named the child Angel,
and strangers were overcome with emotion as they held this
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memorial service forty six days after his body was found.
Now their local mystery has turned into a nationwide search
to find the child's mother.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You were just hearing our friends at WSB too as
well and with me an all star panel to make
sense of what we know right now, including Max Lewis
from Fox fifty nine in Indianapolis. But first I want
to go to Detective Matt Busick joining us from the
Indiana State Police. Detective Busick, thank you for being with us, Yes, man,
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thank you. Detective. Do you recall when you first learned,
I mean, let me ask you something off point. Do
you have children?
Speaker 8 (07:43):
Yes? We do?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
How many six? Actually I'm guessing one of those is
a little boy.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
Yes, I have three boys and three girls.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Do you recall when you first learned, Detective Music, that
a five year old little boy weighed forty pounds was
found full, folded up dead in a Vegas suitcase.
Speaker 9 (08:04):
Yes, ma'am. How I do you recall that?
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Tell me about it?
Speaker 9 (08:07):
Well, yes, it's very disturbing, Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I pictured my own children. To doctor Thomas Plant joining me,
professor of psychology and Religious Studies, and you'll see why
he is so very critical in our discussion today. Adjunct
Professor of Psychiatry at Stanford University, Editor of Spirituality and
Clinical Practice, author of Human Interaction with the Divine, Sacred Deceased,
(08:33):
Doctor Plant, thank you so much for being with us.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
Well, thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yes, sir. When I first heard about a five year
old boy folded over dead like an old coat in
a suitcase, abandoned, no idea where he came from, and
critically no one had reported him missing, all I could
think about were my children, John, David and Lucy at
age five, and how defenseless they were, Doctor Plant, does
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the nature of crimes like this ever keep you from
a clearhead?
Speaker 9 (09:10):
Well, of course, we're all emotional human beings, and we
all have emotional reactions, and we all can probably relate
as parents, like yourself, like myself, and like so many others,
to what would it be like to discover our own
child in such an awful, horrific condition, And so, of
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course we always can relate, And yet we have to
be objective and thoughtful and try to do the best
we can to understand the situation and act accordingly.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Straight out to Max Lewis, joining us reporter with Fox
fifty nine in Indianapolis. Max. I'm sure you recall when
this Vegas suitcase was first discovered in Indianapolis. With obviously
you don't know whether the child is from Vegas or
Indianapolis or somewhere else.
Speaker 10 (09:58):
It was shocking this kind of doesn't you know. We
don't see this kind of thing every day. We rarely
see this. And yeah, there were so many questions. It's
such a mystery. Where is this kid from? Why was
he found out in the woods in rural southern Indiana.
There were just so many questions for so long, and
police really, from what we could tell, had nothing to
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go on. And luckily they were able, you know, to
find out some things and additionally give this this little
boy in the suitcase the name.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Remember a man who was
a mushroom hunting found the body of a little boy
in a secluded wooded area Washington County, about eighty feet
off a rural road in Indiana. It was April seventeen,
twenty twenty two, over one year ago. Police release in
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the case asking for help to id the child or parents.
They announced a dedicated tip line for information one eight
eight eight four three seven six four three two. They
released information about the body about the suitcase. People living
there in New Peaking came together for a vigil to
show their support, praying his case would be solved. The
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child died from electrolyte imbalance, mostly due to vomiting and
diarrhea leading to dehydration. The suffering this child endured. Steph Kramer,
how do you go about how did they identify the
body as little tyro.
Speaker 11 (11:42):
In this particular case. I think it was a combination
of single prints that were on the suitcase. I think
that was the meaning.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think you're absolutely right, Steve Kramer. Steve joining us
from Indago Solutions. Guys, take a listen to our friends
at w SB.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Thirty seven year old Dewan Anderson is now charged with
murder as.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
That no crime scene evidence technologies were spared in this case.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
According to court documents, police identified Anderson through fingerprints on
trash bags used to wrap the child's body, and autopsy
report shows Jordan did not suffer any signs of physical trauma.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
The autopsy listed the cause of death as an electrolyte
imbalance that caused a viral gastroonitis.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, and that is dehydration of Police believe after dumping
that body, that Anderson went to California with a woman
named Don Coleman. Investigators were able to arrest Coleman in
San Francisco, but they have yet to track down Anderson.
They are still looking for her.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So mommy's fingerprints, Steve Kramer, you called it, We're all
over that trash bag. So I guess then, Steve Kramer,
they find mommy and then they can deduce that it's
baby Tyro. Was that your thinking, Steve.
Speaker 11 (12:54):
Yeah, Craig, that's I think the logical deducement. Once they
did some additional background information on Anderson, I think it
was clear that she was traveling apparently all over the
country with her child and with her friend Don Coleman,
whose fingerprints also I understand we're found on the suitcase.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Oh okay, right there, Wait a minute, So Max Lewis
joining us investigative reporter with Fox fifty nine. We know
that mommy and her friend, her running buddy, left fingerprints
all over the trash bag. But I mean, think about
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that image putting the child in a trash bag and
in a suitcase and leaving it. Max Lewis, I want
you to take a listen to our friends WLKY and THHR.
Speaker 12 (13:52):
On April fourteenth, investigators say cell phone towers and a
home security camera plased Anderson and Coleman in Pekin in Indiana,
near the wooded area where Jordan's body was found.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
This whole case is all about justice for Cairo. That's
the only thing this case has ever been about.
Speaker 13 (14:09):
Investigators found a fingerprint on a trash bag in the
suitcase with the boy's body in June. The fingerprint match
was made to thirty seven year old to one Andersenter.
Another fingerprint from the trash bag in the suitcase matched
forty year old Don Coleman. The cell phones of both
women placed them in the area of Peak in April fourteenth,
two days before the suitcase was found. Coleman's social media
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accounts include photos and videos of her with a Las
Vegas suitcase.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Straight out to Max Lewis, so what role did cell
phone pings play and the identification of the mother as
a suspect.
Speaker 10 (14:48):
It played a huge role the police. You know, they
were both in the Metro Louisville area for quite a while,
and so once they sort of you know, got their fingerprints,
made the connection to them. They started piecing all of
this stuff together. They had, as you heard, been criscrossing
the country together. Once they got into Louisville, they king there,
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which is close to where this suitcase was found in
the wooded area, is not too far outside metro Louisville,
and they used those cell phone powers and were able
to show that they were in the exact vicinity where
that suitcase was found. Obviously no coincidence there.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And I bet anything jo Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics that
the two cell phones were traveling together, the devil and
the Devil's minion.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
Yeah, how do you get two people to enter into
an agreement where they're going to do this to this
baby like this? And Nancy, I don't want to gloss
over this, this whole gastro enter ritis thing.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Thank you. I don't either go ahead.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
As horrible as as it sounds, it would have been
more more merciful if that even exists in this context,
to put this baby out of his misery. Gastro enter eyes.
Essentially what he had stomach flu and we can all
identify with that, but it was untreated. Nancy. You remember
when our babies were little and we'd go out and
get them pedia light perhaps or make the peda light
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popsicles because they've got a tummy problem. And his bowel
was so inflamed, and that's what they found at autopsy.
That was what was evidence there. His bowel was so
inflamed that it led to his death and he would
have been vomiting. Plus he would have had severe stomach
cramps where he would be doubled over. And probably the
worst of this is that he would have had like
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explosive bowel movements as well explosive diarrhea essentially, and he
was going, this is this is the horror. He's going untreated.
They couldn't even give this baby electrolytes, which he can
find in any number of things like pedia.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Light, or take him to the dock in a box,
no offense. All you MD's they hate being called that.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
Yeah, it would have been It would have been that simple.
They could have just hung an IV on this baby
and he would have potentially survived.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But they stood by, sat by the two of these
women and let him suffer like that. Just think about
your intestines swollen, red, hurting. Why do you get that, J.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
Scott, It's as a result of this absence of electrolytes.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Now, I mean, how do you get the diarrhea and
the uncontrolled vomiting to start with? Where does that come from?
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Well, this is as a result of the viral gastroenterritis.
And they're saying viral. So he literally had some type
of virus in his body. Okay, like anra virus or
one of these things that floats around that leads to
a viral infection and many times it'll set in in
your gut like this. And so as you're losing all
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of these fluids, he's becoming dehydrated, Nancy. So he's losing
these little electrolytes. And there's a variety of them. You've
got sodium and chloride and potassium. But basically they're kind
of the guardrails that keep our heart functioning, our brain functioning.
It keeps us you know, he could have had a seizure.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, Scott, sorry to interrupt you, but according to Mommy,
you're perfectly wrong. Oh really, because she believes it had
nothing to do with the virus and it had everything
to do with the devil. Take a listen to our cut.
Thirty three.
Speaker 14 (18:17):
Wrnhas social media posts from both women that indicate they
thought the boy was demon possessed. Eight days before the
body was discovered, Coleman posted, nothing is what it seems,
and we are catering to evil beings and children avatars
that aren't even children, And five days before the body
was discovered, Anderson posted, I have survived the death attacks
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from my five year old throughout the five years he
has been alive. I have been able to weaken his
powers through our blood.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
The probable cause affidavit shows Anderson sent Facebook messages claiming
her son was a demon who tried to harm her.
She wrote to an Indiana pastor saying she believed he
was actually one hundred years old and she used blood
for some kind of exorcism. In reality, he was a
defenseless five year old boy.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Do I have to say the words? Lauri Valo called
mom Laurie Valo and her what was he? Jackie? Her
fourth or fifth husband, Chad Jabel, His wife mysteriously died
in her sleep. She was as healthy as a horse,
and she just ran a marathon and then she dies
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in her sleep. Uh Uh, they killed her. It's a crutch,
using some completely opposite religion of what Christ intended. That
I'm an expert, but I'm pretty sure this is not
what he had in mind, calling your five year old
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child the devil and demanding an exorcism. Both mommy Desjohn
Anderson and her friend Don Lane Coleman's fingerprints found on
the trash bag that in case baby Jordan's body. No
one is happy that a year after the fact, law
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enforcement still actively seeking them other. But it just doesn't
make sense to me calling your five year old child
the devil and demanding an exorcism with us. Doctor Thomas Plant,
you heard him earlier, professor's Psychology and Religious Studies, Clinical
Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Stanford and the
(20:37):
editor of Spirituality and Clinical Practice, author of Human Interaction
with the Divine, the Sacred, and the Deceased. Psychological Scientific
and Theological Perspectives, Doctor Plant, what do you make of this?
Speaker 9 (20:53):
Well, you know, I think the bottom line is, you know,
psychopathology can be a really terrible and brutal thing, and
you can't diagnose someone from afar. But what it sounds
like is that this as what given the data that's
been presented, is that it sounds like this person has
a psychotic disorder. Perhaps it's schizophrenia, could be bipolar, could
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be since she has another person involved with this. According
to the report, you would wonder about what's called a
shared delusional disorder or a felia do, where two people
share the same delusion.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Right, are you speaking French or Latin? Flee I do?
Speaker 9 (21:35):
That's two le I do is French. It means a
folly of two, and that's a diagnosis, also called shared
delusional disorder.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Doctor Plant, I am just a JD. You are the
professor of psychology and religious studies. Hold on, it's so
much at once. Folly of two felei I do? And
you're because I can except that one person could be
schizophrenic or have some type of psychotic disorder, but two
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of them together in the same room and they agree
to kill a baby and fold them up like a
blanket and put them in a suitcase. That to me
is unreasonable that there would be two people equally psychotic,
which leads me with one answer. They're murderers, they knew
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what they were doing. They're hiding behind some crazy religious
belief and they're mean as hell.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
Well, as I mentioned, you can't diagnose from afar. But
according to the American Psychiatric Association. There are a legitimate
diagnosis called FELIADU or now it's called shared delusional disorder,
and you do see it, and I've seen some of
those cases a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Have you seen a lot of them?
Speaker 9 (22:50):
No, No, it's pretty unusual, but it's there, just like
for example, schizophrenia affects maybe about one out of one
hundred people, which is a U, and felia DO or
she had delusional disorder would probably be about one out
of a thousand people or so. That may or may
not be the diagnosis. But I think the bottom line
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is you've got major psychopathology here, and I think that's
probably pretty clear. And the question is, you know, what
do you do when you have a situation where people
have such severe disorders and they have children in their
possession or in their custody. That brings into issues of
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you know, child protection and so forth, which are often
challenging to deal with. There was probably early signs. This
probably wasn't the first sign that this child was in trouble.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
To State Chrimer, former FBI attorney, federal prosecutor, President, I
mean dogo solutions. You know what, I am a Christian,
I'm seeking the truth every day, try to live it.
But this theory of hiding behind your religion in order
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to do horrible things, I'm not quite sure how to
call that out. And we see it all the time. Well,
I mentioned called mom Laurie Valo using her apocalyptic religious
beliefs and she gets slung up with Chad Dabel the prophet.
And for those of you that can't see me, I
absolutely used air quotes on that. And I've seen over
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and over and over Steve Kramer, parents had some religious
belief and they ended up starving their children or beating
them all in the name of Dare I say it God?
And frankly, I mean I hear doctor Plant. I know
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he's a lot smarter than me, for sure, but it
just doesn't make sense to me that a mother who
could drive hide her baby still on the land. By
the way, she's crazy, but she can elude police and
plan her next spot. She's still not caught. She's got
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Indiana State troopers standing on their ears trying to find her.
There's a nationwide alert for her. So how crazy is she?
She crazy like a fox? Steve Kramer? Does she have
some psychosis? And if so, do you really believe both
of them are delusional. I heard what doctor Plant said
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about Phillya. I do folly of two share delusional disorder,
not byen. I'd convict both of these women. Literally, their
fingerprints are all over the garbage bag. They stuff this
child into your turn, Cramer.
Speaker 11 (25:55):
Yeah, I mean to call this a religion. Come on,
that's nonsense. I mean, this is you know.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Babbling, not you, doctor Plant, not you, No, no, no,
of course, know that the last thing I want to
do is get a preacher.
Speaker 14 (26:08):
Matt.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Okay, I don't even need that in my life. Go ahead,
and Kramer, just let's make sure a doctor Plant knows
it's not about him. But what do you say exactly
what they're going to claim with trial if they're ever
both caught.
Speaker 11 (26:20):
Go ahead exactly. I mean putting the stuff out on
Facebook and Twitter about you know, their child is you know,
an avatar and my child somehow possessed or I had
to do some healing and I had to do some killing.
I mean, the stuff they're saying, I mean, this is
actually unfortunately not that uncommon. You know, we see cases
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like you mentioned the Lori Vallo Chad Dave Bell case
where she killed her own children. We see other cases
a lot of times when we find children, young children
like this, that are incapable of taking care of themselves,
that are abandoned someplace dead, the bodies. When we eventually
identify the parents, they are off with having some affair,
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the child was an inconvenience, or they're on some drug
high again, the child's an inconvenience, So that aspect is
not really uncommon. And I think in this particular case,
I mean, you look at it. I mean she said
I had to do some healing and killing, and that
was around April twelfth, and the body was found two
days later, April fourteenth. And I was point out one
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key thing with this, and you mentioned it earlier too, Nancy,
is they didn't think they were doing anything wrong. Then
why did to hide the baby or the five year
old in a suitcase and put it out in the field.
And why are they on the land now? What are
they running from? That they haven't done anything wrong. So
clearly she knows that she's done something wrong. But what
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I find most interesting is her accomplice, John Coleman. They
were both wanted on warrants of neglect of a dependent
and obstruction of Justice, and woman was arrested on the
nineteenth of October. Less than a week later, those charges
were upgraded to murder against miss Anderson. So obviously she
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probably said something to the police exactly what happened with
this child that allowed the police and the prosecutors to
upgrade the charges from neglect to murder.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And I mean, there's such a history Steve hiding behind
some kind of religion. Why your child dies. Thet's say,
there's two year old I'm going to listen last night,
Ella Grace. Her parents, Jonathan and Grace Ford, thought it
was God's will their little two year old die. Then
there's nine year old Jason Lockhart out of Oklahoma, much
(28:41):
the same, sixteen year old Neil Bigley, much the same,
And they hide behind religion while their child dies. That's
what I'm seeing. I mean, Max Lewis fifty nine joining us.
So I'm Indianapolis. What's the reaction to Mommy climbing her
child was possessed?
Speaker 10 (29:02):
Well, you know, it's I am sort of speechless myself,
and I think that's the way everybody else was. You know,
she had tried to reach out to this priest in
southeastern Indiana who was a well known performer of exorcists,
Vatican trained exorcist, and wasn't able to get a hold
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of him. And so that claim, I think, or that
sort of claim from her and the Facebook post that
you were mentioning, I think was really shocking to everybody.
I do want to make a point about something that
doctor Plant said. He said that this child was likely
in danger before, or there were likely signs before. Well
there was. She was actually these two women, mom and
(29:45):
don Coleman actually got into a car chase, court records
showdown in South Carolina. They were running from the police,
going over ninety miles an hour on the interstate, and
the kid and the little boy, Kirote was in the
car with them. That doesn't, you know, spell danger? I
don't know what does, so you know, clearly I think
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what doctor Plant said is correct. This boy was in
danger before, had been in danger, and unfortunately the peers
of right steps weren't taken and he ended up in
this suitcase dead.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Why wasn't the baby taken away then, Max Lewis, I mean,
his siblings have been taken away, why not him?
Speaker 10 (30:25):
I don't know, you know, it's really a mystery and
something that probably authorities in South Carolina maybe need to
answer for because when this car chase in ended, you know,
Anderson was the one driving, the mom was the one driving,
and then Don Coleman was in the passenger seat. The
baby was in the backseat when this police chase ended
because they ran out of gas. They basically just dropped
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Don Coleman and the child off at a motel and
took the mom to jail, and so she was the
child was given right back to them.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Wow, sounds like day fat supporting Family Children's Services on
and again. Now we have another dad child Seemingly nobody
but me cares because it keeps happening every day. Children
in horrible, dangerous situations are left there because Child Protector
Services does nothing. Now, speaking of exorcism, take a listener,
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friends at Fox fifty nine, Yeah for David.
Speaker 15 (31:25):
In the case details a series of strange social media
posts police se Kyrol's mother sent about demons, exorcism, and
dark magic in the days before he was found. On
April twelfth, Anderson reached out to an Indianapolis priest, Father
Vincent Lampert, from the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, on Twitter. Father
Lampert is one of dozens of priests who are exorcists
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in the US. As you may know, and exorcist is
someone trained to cast out demons. Father Lampert told us
it's rare that a child dealing with quote demonic possession.
Speaker 16 (31:55):
There's no such thing as an emergency exorcism. It really
begins with the person having a psychiatric evaluation by a
qualified psychologists or psychiatrists, and then having a medical examination
by their family doctor.
Speaker 15 (32:09):
Father Lampard says when someone contacts him, he encourages them
to talk to their pastor and their family doctor.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace more heartbreaking evidence revealed on
social Mommy Anderson talks online about needing a quote exorcism
on her son to remove his demonic force. She even
made a post about telling her story in a book
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or podcast about living with a quote demonic child. Doctor plant,
what exactly is an exorcism?
Speaker 9 (32:57):
An exorcist is trained to perform a ritual. As you know,
the Catholic Church has lots of rituals, and this is
one a ritual that of training so that they it's
they're trained through the Vatican and so forth. The Vatican
approved and exorcists like this gentleman you just mentioned, and
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including the excescists that I've worked with, we'll say that
ninety nine point nine percent of the time of cases
are major psychopathology and what's necessary is a psychiatric evaluation
or medical evaluation and so forth, and their troubles are
really in that arena. And I think that's that's true
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when it comes to religion, sadly and tragically, some people
use religion for great harm and some people use religion
for great good. And I think that it's sort of
like a car. You know, a car can be a
great it gets you where you want to go, but
a car in the hands of a drunk driver is
a terrible weapon. The same is true with religion. In
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this case, as you said, this woman may have been
using those imagery and things like that to justify her behavior,
which is horrific. But you know, sadly, that is a
common phenomenon across the world, and it always has been,
where people project their troubles and whatnot onto kind of
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religion and then justify their actions in that way.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
What you said is entirely true, doctor Plant. Just Gott Morgan,
I know forensics, I know crime, and that's what I'm
going to fall back home when I don't understand the rest.
I want you, specifically to take a listen to Courtney
Spinelli Fox fifty nine.
Speaker 17 (34:53):
A child who for months was only known as the
boy found in a suitcase in rural Indiana.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Now has a name. Year old's Kiro Jordan Is Sue
hasn't really second had Cairo's.
Speaker 17 (35:04):
Paternal grandparents and great uncles say they only learned he
died one day ago.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I would have wanted to know what kind of person
he would have come to be.
Speaker 17 (35:14):
Things like whether he would have grown up to play
football like his dad did when he was younger. Authorities
are still trying to find Cairo's mother, Dejon Anderson, now
charged in his murder.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
All she had to do with you know, let us
know and uh what he usually talking? How many children?
Jo Scott Morgan death investigator, have you been at the
murder scene, the homicide scene, the death scene, the autopsy
where mommy or daddy is a killer. But the rest
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of the family did nothing. They knew there was a problem.
How could this family not know mommy was arrested for
aselony in South Carolina and got the childback and.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
That that's counting on the fact that the individual had
contact with their family. But lots of times you'll have
these individuals that will know, I mean, they will know
that what's going on within that household is wrong, and
nobody interdicts it because nobody wants to get crossways with
the family members. Nobody wants to create a problem with
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the family members and all for what. Now, in this
particular case, you've got this baby who was abandoned like garbage.
Let's just face it. That's the way he was treated
out in the middle of the woods. And you can't
tell me there weren't red flags leading up to this.
I've seen this over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Answer, we know that the mother moved around a lot.
I want you to listen, Ja, I can't want to
cut forward to our cut number thirty eight, Fox fifty nine. Listen.
Speaker 17 (36:46):
In a series of posts, Anderson indicated she believed Cairo
was possessed family wishes. Anyone seeing these posts would have
reached out to offer help save Cairo.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
That could have saved his mom, could have brought him
beck to Georgia, who could have helped him out.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
Whatever we're to need.
Speaker 17 (37:03):
As they worked to grasp what happened to Cairo. They're
grateful for the strangers who never stopped fighting for justice.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
We definitely want to thank the people in Indiana who
did give him a proper burial. That was so nice
of them.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
This shows what kind of what humanity really is. Hard
to believe that, with all of the available tools at
our fingertips, Mommy Jean Anderson still on the run running
from Lady Justice after her child found stuffed in a
Vegas suitcase in the middle of the woods dead. Disturbingly,
(37:42):
we learn Mommy Anderson arrested in South Carolina for child endangerment,
speeding in failure to stop for officers. Anderson only stopped
when she ran out of gas just before Tiny Kyrie's
body was found. Mommy Anderson arrested in Louisville for shot
with an assault. We learned that Mommy's friend Coleman, claims
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to have been babysitting Cairo after Anderson was arrested. After
picking up Anderson, they went to stay at a cousin's
home in Louisville. According to a witness, the witness comes
into a bedroom to find Anderson on top of the
baby boy. The boy facing down on a Mattress. Court
documents only recently released, claimed the witness told investigators quote
(38:27):
it was already done when the witness came in the
bedroom to find the little boy dead. Dejohn Anderson aka
Mommy had already gathered trash bags in the bedroom used
to stuff the tots body in a suitcase to somehow
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rationalize the murder. Mommy claimed her son was quote possessed
as she drove to Indiana to dump the suitcase. Mommy's
own ping to peak in Indiana, not far from where
Cairo's body found. Additionally, we learned surveilla's video from a
property owner show's Mommy's car stop on the road where
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the suitcase was discovered. After coming social media, we learned
that Mommy's friend had the very same suitcase in which
the boy's body was found on the very same day
the Vegas suitcase was discovered. Video allegedly shows Mommy's car
driving across a bridge from Indiana to Louisville. A felony
(39:34):
murder arrest warrant has been issued for Anderson, but she's
currently on the run, last believed to be in the
LA area. Cops say they've searched for her in the
Metro La area, but came up empty handed. Last known
location Echo Park, LA. But she's known to travel far
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and wide, recently having been in San Francisco, San Diego,
Las Vegas, and Houston. Her contacts reached all the way
back to Georgia, where Little Cairo was born. Anderson five five,
one hundred and thirty five pounds, short, dark brown hair
and last known photo. Often prone to wear wigs or
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hair extensions. I don't care how many extensions she wears.
Nothing is going to change those fingerprints. According to recently
released court documents, we learned police use technology to pull
fingerprints from trash bags that encased the tiny boy's body
stuffed in a suitcase. Those prints a one hundred percent
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match to mommy, de Jan Anderson. I want justice. I
want Little Cairo's mother. Dejean Anderson brought back to court
to face a jury and a true rate. We wait
as justice unfold. Goodbye, friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Somebody knows something well. Truer
words were never spoken. And then in the case of
a boy in a suitcase, a little boy, a beautiful
(00:28):
little boy literally found in a suitcase dead. When the
case first hit the headlines, it was quite the furor.
A classic Las Vegas Welcome to Las Vegas suitcase with
the iconic sticker on the side was found seemingly out
(00:49):
in the middle of nowhere in the woods in Salem, Indiana,
his small body stuffed into a Welcome to the Fabulous
Las Vegas suitcase? Is this real? The prime suspect, his
mom still on the run. An entire year after this
(01:10):
taught's body found stuffed in a suitcase. I mean to see, Grace,
this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
here at Foxcination in Serious XM one eleven. I will
never forget it. This little child, beautiful little boy, found
dehydration the cause of death caused by gastro territis. What
(01:35):
a painful and slow suffering death this five year old
boy had. And now we know who is the purp.
The purp is his own mother. Why is she still
on the run? How is she able to outsmart police, FBI,
(01:55):
bounty hunters, dog trackers, the works, or are are they
simply not focusing on apprehending her as a little five
year old boy somehow lost in the shuffle. It's his
life less important than other people's. Do you remember the
(02:16):
man hunt or should I say woman hunt for Caitlin
Armstrong accused of gunning down a beautiful pro cycler Mariah
because of a love triangle. They trunck Armstrong down all
the way in disguise in Costa Rica. Oh yeah, they
found her because it was the high profile case. But
(02:38):
seemingly nobody cares about this little four feet tall, slim built,
short hair little boy for so long an unknown angel.
Listen to our friend's whas now.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The discovery was made by a person hunting for mushrooms
over the weekend. Also new today, autopsy was performed. We
do know that police day the boy is only five
to eight years old. They had that he could have
been from anywhere, not just southern Indiana. Investigators say they
have been searching the wooded area where the boy was found,
but the information has not led them to any answers.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And that is how the mystery, the puzzle began. But
I'm still overwhelmed by just the words. A little boy
folded up dead in a suitcase, a Vegas suitcase found
in Indiana, but they have no idea where this little
boy was from. Take a listen to our friends at
(03:36):
wd RB right now.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Indiana State Please isn't giving too many details on this case,
but investigators do believe that somebody out there knows something
that can help them figure out who this child wants.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
We are looking for the public's help and finding out
the name of this child, this little boy who deserves answers.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
He deserves our help.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Sergeant Carrie Hols said Saturday night, a mushroom hunter in
the woods in rural Washington County discovered the body of
a young boy.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
He noticed something and went to investigate, and that's what
he found. So very disturbing, very shocking, very traumatic event,
very sad event.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
The man who found this boy, Jeff Meridith, is in
agony knowing he was one of the last people to
see this child's face.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
When I first saw that little fella, immediately I felt
that he was telling me, help me, I need help.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
It sounds like it's out of an Agatha Christie mystery.
A mushroom hunter, how likely is that? Very unlikely? Finds
a suitcase, opens a suitcase and finds a little boy
dead inside. The first place you start is what was
the cod cause of death? Listen, our friends, whas eleven, a.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
Boy found dead in southern Indiana, remains nameless. His story
and the suitcase he was found in have gained national attention,
hundreds tips submitted and still no answers except for one.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
We now know how the boy died.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
At this time, there's no evidence, then leads investigators to
believe that he was alive when he went into the suitcase.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Sergeant Carrie Hole says investigators got the autopsy and toxicology
reports on May twentieth, seven days later, they share this
unnamed boy died from an electrolyte imbalance.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Most likely due to gastro enteritis, which in common Layman's
term would be vomiting in diarrhea and that resulted in
dehydration fatal dehydration.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
And he says the toxicology report found nothing significant.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So if a little boy dies of vomiting and diarrhea,
nobody noticed that he was vomiting and had horrible diarrhea
till he was being starved. There was nothing in him anymore,
and he just died. Where was he? And I guarantee
it and crawl into a suitcase and die and close
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that suitcase and maneuver it into the woods in Indiana.
That didn't happen. So we have a cod cause of death,
but still no name. Well, that little boy now has
a name. Listen to our friends at the Indiana State Police.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
At this time, we can also identify, excuse me, identify
the young man that was found in the suitcase.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
He was Cairo Amar Jordan.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Cairo Amar Jordan was from Atlanta, Jordan, Georgia.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
Excuse me.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
He was five years old at the time of his
death and Cairo would have turned six on October twenty fourth. Again,
Cairo Amar Jordan, he was five from Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
A man hunting for mushrooms made the discovery in Washington County,
Indiana on April sixteenth, but it wasn't until today that
investigators identified the little boy found inside as Cairo Jordan
from Metro Atlanta. People who live in that Indiana community
have weeded since bring for answers. They named the child Angel,
and strangers were overcome with emotion as they held this
(07:05):
memorial service forty six days after his body was found.
Now their local mystery has turned into a nationwide search
to find the child's mother.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You were just hearing our friends at WSB too as
well and with me an all star panel to make
sense of what we know right now, including Max Lewis
from Fox fifty nine in Indianapolis. But first I want
to go to Detective Matt Busick joining us from the
Indiana State Police. Detective Busick, thank you for being with us, Yes, man,
(07:34):
thank you. Detective. Do you recall when you first learned,
I mean, let me ask you something off point. Do
you have children?
Speaker 8 (07:43):
Yes? We do?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
How many six? Actually I'm guessing one of those is
a little boy.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
Yes, I have three boys and three girls.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Do you recall when you first learned, Detective Music, that
a five year old little boy weighed forty pounds was
found full, folded up dead in a Vegas suitcase.
Speaker 9 (08:04):
Yes, ma'am. How I do you recall that?
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Tell me about it?
Speaker 9 (08:07):
Well, yes, it's very disturbing, Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I pictured my own children. To doctor Thomas Plant joining me,
professor of psychology and Religious Studies, and you'll see why
he is so very critical in our discussion today. Adjunct
Professor of Psychiatry at Stanford University, Editor of Spirituality and
Clinical Practice, author of Human Interaction with the Divine, Sacred Deceased,
(08:33):
Doctor Plant, thank you so much for being with us.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
Well, thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Yes, sir. When I first heard about a five year
old boy folded over dead like an old coat in
a suitcase, abandoned, no idea where he came from, and
critically no one had reported him missing, all I could
think about were my children, John, David and Lucy at
age five, and how defenseless they were, Doctor Plant, does
(09:02):
the nature of crimes like this ever keep you from
a clearhead?
Speaker 9 (09:10):
Well, of course, we're all emotional human beings, and we
all have emotional reactions, and we all can probably relate
as parents, like yourself, like myself, and like so many others,
to what would it be like to discover our own
child in such an awful, horrific condition, And so, of
(09:31):
course we always can relate, And yet we have to
be objective and thoughtful and try to do the best
we can to understand the situation and act accordingly.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Straight out to Max Lewis, joining us reporter with Fox
fifty nine in Indianapolis. Max. I'm sure you recall when
this Vegas suitcase was first discovered in Indianapolis. With obviously
you don't know whether the child is from Vegas or
Indianapolis or somewhere else.
Speaker 10 (09:58):
It was shocking this kind of doesn't you know. We
don't see this kind of thing every day. We rarely
see this. And yeah, there were so many questions. It's
such a mystery. Where is this kid from? Why was
he found out in the woods in rural southern Indiana.
There were just so many questions for so long, and
police really, from what we could tell, had nothing to
(10:19):
go on. And luckily they were able, you know, to
find out some things and additionally give this this little
boy in the suitcase the name.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Remember a man who was
a mushroom hunting found the body of a little boy
in a secluded wooded area Washington County, about eighty feet
off a rural road in Indiana. It was April seventeen,
twenty twenty two, over one year ago. Police release in
(11:00):
the case asking for help to id the child or parents.
They announced a dedicated tip line for information one eight
eight eight four three seven six four three two. They
released information about the body about the suitcase. People living
there in New Peaking came together for a vigil to
show their support, praying his case would be solved. The
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child died from electrolyte imbalance, mostly due to vomiting and
diarrhea leading to dehydration. The suffering this child endured. Steph Kramer,
how do you go about how did they identify the
body as little tyro.
Speaker 11 (11:42):
In this particular case. I think it was a combination
of single prints that were on the suitcase. I think
that was the meaning.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think you're absolutely right, Steve Kramer. Steve joining us
from Indago Solutions. Guys, take a listen to our friends
at w SB.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Thirty seven year old Dewan Anderson is now charged with
murder as.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
That no crime scene evidence technologies were spared in this case.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
According to court documents, police identified Anderson through fingerprints on
trash bags used to wrap the child's body, and autopsy
report shows Jordan did not suffer any signs of physical trauma.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
The autopsy listed the cause of death as an electrolyte
imbalance that caused a viral gastroonitis.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, and that is dehydration of Police believe after dumping
that body, that Anderson went to California with a woman
named Don Coleman. Investigators were able to arrest Coleman in
San Francisco, but they have yet to track down Anderson.
They are still looking for her.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So mommy's fingerprints, Steve Kramer, you called it, We're all
over that trash bag. So I guess then, Steve Kramer,
they find mommy and then they can deduce that it's
baby Tyro. Was that your thinking, Steve.
Speaker 11 (12:54):
Yeah, Craig, that's I think the logical deducement. Once they
did some additional background information on Anderson, I think it
was clear that she was traveling apparently all over the
country with her child and with her friend Don Coleman,
whose fingerprints also I understand we're found on the suitcase.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Oh okay, right there, Wait a minute, So Max Lewis
joining us investigative reporter with Fox fifty nine. We know
that mommy and her friend, her running buddy, left fingerprints
all over the trash bag. But I mean, think about
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that image putting the child in a trash bag and
in a suitcase and leaving it. Max Lewis, I want
you to take a listen to our friends WLKY and THHR.
Speaker 12 (13:52):
On April fourteenth, investigators say cell phone towers and a
home security camera plased Anderson and Coleman in Pekin in Indiana,
near the wooded area where Jordan's body was found.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
This whole case is all about justice for Cairo. That's
the only thing this case has ever been about.
Speaker 13 (14:09):
Investigators found a fingerprint on a trash bag in the
suitcase with the boy's body in June. The fingerprint match
was made to thirty seven year old to one Andersenter.
Another fingerprint from the trash bag in the suitcase matched
forty year old Don Coleman. The cell phones of both
women placed them in the area of Peak in April fourteenth,
two days before the suitcase was found. Coleman's social media
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accounts include photos and videos of her with a Las
Vegas suitcase.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Straight out to Max Lewis, so what role did cell
phone pings play and the identification of the mother as
a suspect.
Speaker 10 (14:48):
It played a huge role the police. You know, they
were both in the Metro Louisville area for quite a while,
and so once they sort of you know, got their fingerprints,
made the connection to them. They started piecing all of
this stuff together. They had, as you heard, been criscrossing
the country together. Once they got into Louisville, they king there,
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which is close to where this suitcase was found in
the wooded area, is not too far outside metro Louisville,
and they used those cell phone powers and were able
to show that they were in the exact vicinity where
that suitcase was found. Obviously no coincidence there.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And I bet anything jo Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics that
the two cell phones were traveling together, the devil and
the Devil's minion.
Speaker 8 (15:35):
Yeah, how do you get two people to enter into
an agreement where they're going to do this to this
baby like this? And Nancy, I don't want to gloss
over this, this whole gastro enter ritis thing.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Thank you. I don't either go ahead.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
As horrible as as it sounds, it would have been
more more merciful if that even exists in this context,
to put this baby out of his misery. Gastro enter eyes.
Essentially what he had stomach flu and we can all
identify with that, but it was untreated. Nancy. You remember
when our babies were little and we'd go out and
get them pedia light perhaps or make the peda light
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popsicles because they've got a tummy problem. And his bowel
was so inflamed, and that's what they found at autopsy.
That was what was evidence there. His bowel was so
inflamed that it led to his death and he would
have been vomiting. Plus he would have had severe stomach
cramps where he would be doubled over. And probably the
worst of this is that he would have had like
(16:31):
explosive bowel movements as well explosive diarrhea essentially, and he
was going, this is this is the horror. He's going untreated.
They couldn't even give this baby electrolytes, which he can
find in any number of things like pedia.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Light, or take him to the dock in a box,
no offense. All you MD's they hate being called that.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
Yeah, it would have been It would have been that simple.
They could have just hung an IV on this baby
and he would have potentially survived.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But they stood by, sat by the two of these
women and let him suffer like that. Just think about
your intestines swollen, red, hurting. Why do you get that, J.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
Scott, It's as a result of this absence of electrolytes.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Now, I mean, how do you get the diarrhea and
the uncontrolled vomiting to start with? Where does that come from?
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Well, this is as a result of the viral gastroenterritis.
And they're saying viral. So he literally had some type
of virus in his body. Okay, like anra virus or
one of these things that floats around that leads to
a viral infection and many times it'll set in in
your gut like this. And so as you're losing all
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of these fluids, he's becoming dehydrated, Nancy. So he's losing
these little electrolytes. And there's a variety of them. You've
got sodium and chloride and potassium. But basically they're kind
of the guardrails that keep our heart functioning, our brain functioning.
It keeps us you know, he could have had a seizure.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, Scott, sorry to interrupt you, but according to Mommy,
you're perfectly wrong. Oh really, because she believes it had
nothing to do with the virus and it had everything
to do with the devil. Take a listen to our cut.
Thirty three.
Speaker 14 (18:17):
Wrnhas social media posts from both women that indicate they
thought the boy was demon possessed. Eight days before the
body was discovered, Coleman posted, nothing is what it seems,
and we are catering to evil beings and children avatars
that aren't even children, And five days before the body
was discovered, Anderson posted, I have survived the death attacks
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from my five year old throughout the five years he
has been alive. I have been able to weaken his
powers through our blood.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
The probable cause affidavit shows Anderson sent Facebook messages claiming
her son was a demon who tried to harm her.
She wrote to an Indiana pastor saying she believed he
was actually one hundred years old and she used blood
for some kind of exorcism. In reality, he was a
defenseless five year old boy.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Do I have to say the words? Lauri Valo called
mom Laurie Valo and her what was he? Jackie? Her
fourth or fifth husband, Chad Jabel, His wife mysteriously died
in her sleep. She was as healthy as a horse,
and she just ran a marathon and then she dies
(19:27):
in her sleep. Uh Uh, they killed her. It's a crutch,
using some completely opposite religion of what Christ intended. That
I'm an expert, but I'm pretty sure this is not
what he had in mind, calling your five year old
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child the devil and demanding an exorcism. Both mommy Desjohn
Anderson and her friend Don Lane Coleman's fingerprints found on
the trash bag that in case baby Jordan's body. No
one is happy that a year after the fact, law
(20:14):
enforcement still actively seeking them other. But it just doesn't
make sense to me calling your five year old child
the devil and demanding an exorcism with us. Doctor Thomas Plant,
you heard him earlier, professor's Psychology and Religious Studies, Clinical
Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Stanford and the
(20:37):
editor of Spirituality and Clinical Practice, author of Human Interaction
with the Divine, the Sacred, and the Deceased. Psychological Scientific
and Theological Perspectives, Doctor Plant, what do you make of this?
Speaker 9 (20:53):
Well, you know, I think the bottom line is, you know,
psychopathology can be a really terrible and brutal thing, and
you can't diagnose someone from afar. But what it sounds
like is that this as what given the data that's
been presented, is that it sounds like this person has
a psychotic disorder. Perhaps it's schizophrenia, could be bipolar, could
(21:17):
be since she has another person involved with this. According
to the report, you would wonder about what's called a
shared delusional disorder or a felia do, where two people
share the same delusion.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Right, are you speaking French or Latin? Flee I do?
Speaker 9 (21:35):
That's two le I do is French. It means a
folly of two, and that's a diagnosis, also called shared
delusional disorder.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Doctor Plant, I am just a JD. You are the
professor of psychology and religious studies. Hold on, it's so
much at once. Folly of two felei I do? And
you're because I can except that one person could be
schizophrenic or have some type of psychotic disorder, but two
(22:05):
of them together in the same room and they agree
to kill a baby and fold them up like a
blanket and put them in a suitcase. That to me
is unreasonable that there would be two people equally psychotic,
which leads me with one answer. They're murderers, they knew
(22:27):
what they were doing. They're hiding behind some crazy religious
belief and they're mean as hell.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
Well, as I mentioned, you can't diagnose from afar. But
according to the American Psychiatric Association. There are a legitimate
diagnosis called FELIADU or now it's called shared delusional disorder,
and you do see it, and I've seen some of
those cases a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Have you seen a lot of them?
Speaker 9 (22:50):
No, No, it's pretty unusual, but it's there, just like
for example, schizophrenia affects maybe about one out of one
hundred people, which is a U, and felia DO or
she had delusional disorder would probably be about one out
of a thousand people or so. That may or may
not be the diagnosis. But I think the bottom line
(23:10):
is you've got major psychopathology here, and I think that's
probably pretty clear. And the question is, you know, what
do you do when you have a situation where people
have such severe disorders and they have children in their
possession or in their custody. That brings into issues of
(23:33):
you know, child protection and so forth, which are often
challenging to deal with. There was probably early signs. This
probably wasn't the first sign that this child was in trouble.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
To State Chrimer, former FBI attorney, federal prosecutor, President, I
mean dogo solutions. You know what, I am a Christian,
I'm seeking the truth every day, try to live it.
But this theory of hiding behind your religion in order
(24:08):
to do horrible things, I'm not quite sure how to
call that out. And we see it all the time. Well,
I mentioned called mom Laurie Valo using her apocalyptic religious
beliefs and she gets slung up with Chad Dabel the prophet.
And for those of you that can't see me, I
absolutely used air quotes on that. And I've seen over
(24:31):
and over and over Steve Kramer, parents had some religious
belief and they ended up starving their children or beating
them all in the name of Dare I say it God?
And frankly, I mean I hear doctor Plant. I know
(24:51):
he's a lot smarter than me, for sure, but it
just doesn't make sense to me that a mother who
could drive hide her baby still on the land. By
the way, she's crazy, but she can elude police and
plan her next spot. She's still not caught. She's got
(25:15):
Indiana State troopers standing on their ears trying to find her.
There's a nationwide alert for her. So how crazy is she?
She crazy like a fox? Steve Kramer? Does she have
some psychosis? And if so, do you really believe both
of them are delusional. I heard what doctor Plant said
(25:37):
about Phillya. I do folly of two share delusional disorder,
not byen. I'd convict both of these women. Literally, their
fingerprints are all over the garbage bag. They stuff this
child into your turn, Cramer.
Speaker 11 (25:55):
Yeah, I mean to call this a religion. Come on,
that's nonsense. I mean, this is you know.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Babbling, not you, doctor Plant, not you, No, no, no,
of course, know that the last thing I want to
do is get a preacher.
Speaker 14 (26:08):
Matt.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Okay, I don't even need that in my life. Go ahead,
and Kramer, just let's make sure a doctor Plant knows
it's not about him. But what do you say exactly
what they're going to claim with trial if they're ever
both caught.
Speaker 11 (26:20):
Go ahead exactly. I mean putting the stuff out on
Facebook and Twitter about you know, their child is you know,
an avatar and my child somehow possessed or I had
to do some healing and I had to do some killing.
I mean, the stuff they're saying, I mean, this is
actually unfortunately not that uncommon. You know, we see cases
(26:42):
like you mentioned the Lori Vallo Chad Dave Bell case
where she killed her own children. We see other cases
a lot of times when we find children, young children
like this, that are incapable of taking care of themselves,
that are abandoned someplace dead, the bodies. When we eventually
identify the parents, they are off with having some affair,
(27:05):
the child was an inconvenience, or they're on some drug
high again, the child's an inconvenience, So that aspect is
not really uncommon. And I think in this particular case,
I mean, you look at it. I mean she said
I had to do some healing and killing, and that
was around April twelfth, and the body was found two
days later, April fourteenth. And I was point out one
(27:27):
key thing with this, and you mentioned it earlier too, Nancy,
is they didn't think they were doing anything wrong. Then
why did to hide the baby or the five year
old in a suitcase and put it out in the field.
And why are they on the land now? What are
they running from? That they haven't done anything wrong. So
clearly she knows that she's done something wrong. But what
(27:47):
I find most interesting is her accomplice, John Coleman. They
were both wanted on warrants of neglect of a dependent
and obstruction of Justice, and woman was arrested on the
nineteenth of October. Less than a week later, those charges
were upgraded to murder against miss Anderson. So obviously she
(28:11):
probably said something to the police exactly what happened with
this child that allowed the police and the prosecutors to
upgrade the charges from neglect to murder.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And I mean, there's such a history Steve hiding behind
some kind of religion. Why your child dies. Thet's say,
there's two year old I'm going to listen last night,
Ella Grace. Her parents, Jonathan and Grace Ford, thought it
was God's will their little two year old die. Then
there's nine year old Jason Lockhart out of Oklahoma, much
(28:41):
the same, sixteen year old Neil Bigley, much the same,
And they hide behind religion while their child dies. That's
what I'm seeing. I mean, Max Lewis fifty nine joining us.
So I'm Indianapolis. What's the reaction to Mommy climbing her
child was possessed?
Speaker 10 (29:02):
Well, you know, it's I am sort of speechless myself,
and I think that's the way everybody else was. You know,
she had tried to reach out to this priest in
southeastern Indiana who was a well known performer of exorcists,
Vatican trained exorcist, and wasn't able to get a hold
(29:23):
of him. And so that claim, I think, or that
sort of claim from her and the Facebook post that
you were mentioning, I think was really shocking to everybody.
I do want to make a point about something that
doctor Plant said. He said that this child was likely
in danger before, or there were likely signs before. Well
there was. She was actually these two women, mom and
(29:45):
don Coleman actually got into a car chase, court records
showdown in South Carolina. They were running from the police,
going over ninety miles an hour on the interstate, and
the kid and the little boy, Kirote was in the
car with them. That doesn't, you know, spell danger? I
don't know what does, so you know, clearly I think
(30:06):
what doctor Plant said is correct. This boy was in
danger before, had been in danger, and unfortunately the peers
of right steps weren't taken and he ended up in
this suitcase dead.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Why wasn't the baby taken away then, Max Lewis, I mean,
his siblings have been taken away, why not him?
Speaker 10 (30:25):
I don't know, you know, it's really a mystery and
something that probably authorities in South Carolina maybe need to
answer for because when this car chase in ended, you know,
Anderson was the one driving, the mom was the one driving,
and then Don Coleman was in the passenger seat. The
baby was in the backseat when this police chase ended
because they ran out of gas. They basically just dropped
(30:48):
Don Coleman and the child off at a motel and
took the mom to jail, and so she was the
child was given right back to them.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Wow, sounds like day fat supporting Family Children's Services on
and again. Now we have another dad child Seemingly nobody
but me cares because it keeps happening every day. Children
in horrible, dangerous situations are left there because Child Protector
Services does nothing. Now, speaking of exorcism, take a listener,
(31:22):
friends at Fox fifty nine, Yeah for David.
Speaker 15 (31:25):
In the case details a series of strange social media
posts police se Kyrol's mother sent about demons, exorcism, and
dark magic in the days before he was found. On
April twelfth, Anderson reached out to an Indianapolis priest, Father
Vincent Lampert, from the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, on Twitter. Father
Lampert is one of dozens of priests who are exorcists
(31:45):
in the US. As you may know, and exorcist is
someone trained to cast out demons. Father Lampert told us
it's rare that a child dealing with quote demonic possession.
Speaker 16 (31:55):
There's no such thing as an emergency exorcism. It really
begins with the person having a psychiatric evaluation by a
qualified psychologists or psychiatrists, and then having a medical examination
by their family doctor.
Speaker 15 (32:09):
Father Lampard says when someone contacts him, he encourages them
to talk to their pastor and their family doctor.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace more heartbreaking evidence revealed on
social Mommy Anderson talks online about needing a quote exorcism
on her son to remove his demonic force. She even
made a post about telling her story in a book
(32:49):
or podcast about living with a quote demonic child. Doctor plant,
what exactly is an exorcism?
Speaker 9 (32:57):
An exorcist is trained to perform a ritual. As you know,
the Catholic Church has lots of rituals, and this is
one a ritual that of training so that they it's
they're trained through the Vatican and so forth. The Vatican
approved and exorcists like this gentleman you just mentioned, and
(33:24):
including the excescists that I've worked with, we'll say that
ninety nine point nine percent of the time of cases
are major psychopathology and what's necessary is a psychiatric evaluation
or medical evaluation and so forth, and their troubles are
really in that arena. And I think that's that's true
(33:45):
when it comes to religion, sadly and tragically, some people
use religion for great harm and some people use religion
for great good. And I think that it's sort of
like a car. You know, a car can be a
great it gets you where you want to go, but
a car in the hands of a drunk driver is
a terrible weapon. The same is true with religion. In
(34:07):
this case, as you said, this woman may have been
using those imagery and things like that to justify her behavior,
which is horrific. But you know, sadly, that is a
common phenomenon across the world, and it always has been,
where people project their troubles and whatnot onto kind of
(34:31):
religion and then justify their actions in that way.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
What you said is entirely true, doctor Plant. Just Gott Morgan,
I know forensics, I know crime, and that's what I'm
going to fall back home when I don't understand the rest.
I want you, specifically to take a listen to Courtney
Spinelli Fox fifty nine.
Speaker 17 (34:53):
A child who for months was only known as the
boy found in a suitcase in rural Indiana.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Now has a name. Year old's Kiro Jordan Is Sue
hasn't really second had Cairo's.
Speaker 17 (35:04):
Paternal grandparents and great uncles say they only learned he
died one day ago.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I would have wanted to know what kind of person
he would have come to be.
Speaker 17 (35:14):
Things like whether he would have grown up to play
football like his dad did when he was younger. Authorities
are still trying to find Cairo's mother, Dejon Anderson, now
charged in his murder.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
All she had to do with you know, let us
know and uh what he usually talking? How many children?
Jo Scott Morgan death investigator, have you been at the
murder scene, the homicide scene, the death scene, the autopsy
where mommy or daddy is a killer. But the rest
(35:46):
of the family did nothing. They knew there was a problem.
How could this family not know mommy was arrested for
aselony in South Carolina and got the childback and.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
That that's counting on the fact that the individual had
contact with their family. But lots of times you'll have
these individuals that will know, I mean, they will know
that what's going on within that household is wrong, and
nobody interdicts it because nobody wants to get crossways with
the family members. Nobody wants to create a problem with
(36:17):
the family members and all for what. Now, in this
particular case, you've got this baby who was abandoned like garbage.
Let's just face it. That's the way he was treated
out in the middle of the woods. And you can't
tell me there weren't red flags leading up to this.
I've seen this over and over and over again.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Answer, we know that the mother moved around a lot.
I want you to listen, Ja, I can't want to
cut forward to our cut number thirty eight, Fox fifty nine. Listen.
Speaker 17 (36:46):
In a series of posts, Anderson indicated she believed Cairo
was possessed family wishes. Anyone seeing these posts would have
reached out to offer help save Cairo.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
That could have saved his mom, could have brought him
beck to Georgia, who could have helped him out.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
Whatever we're to need.
Speaker 17 (37:03):
As they worked to grasp what happened to Cairo. They're
grateful for the strangers who never stopped fighting for justice.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
We definitely want to thank the people in Indiana who
did give him a proper burial. That was so nice
of them.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
This shows what kind of what humanity really is. Hard
to believe that, with all of the available tools at
our fingertips, Mommy Jean Anderson still on the run running
from Lady Justice after her child found stuffed in a
Vegas suitcase in the middle of the woods dead. Disturbingly,
(37:42):
we learn Mommy Anderson arrested in South Carolina for child endangerment,
speeding in failure to stop for officers. Anderson only stopped
when she ran out of gas just before Tiny Kyrie's
body was found. Mommy Anderson arrested in Louisville for shot
with an assault. We learned that Mommy's friend Coleman, claims
(38:04):
to have been babysitting Cairo after Anderson was arrested. After
picking up Anderson, they went to stay at a cousin's
home in Louisville. According to a witness, the witness comes
into a bedroom to find Anderson on top of the
baby boy. The boy facing down on a Mattress. Court
documents only recently released, claimed the witness told investigators quote
(38:27):
it was already done when the witness came in the
bedroom to find the little boy dead. Dejohn Anderson aka
Mommy had already gathered trash bags in the bedroom used
to stuff the tots body in a suitcase to somehow
(38:49):
rationalize the murder. Mommy claimed her son was quote possessed
as she drove to Indiana to dump the suitcase. Mommy's
own ping to peak in Indiana, not far from where
Cairo's body found. Additionally, we learned surveilla's video from a
property owner show's Mommy's car stop on the road where
(39:11):
the suitcase was discovered. After coming social media, we learned
that Mommy's friend had the very same suitcase in which
the boy's body was found on the very same day
the Vegas suitcase was discovered. Video allegedly shows Mommy's car
driving across a bridge from Indiana to Louisville. A felony
(39:34):
murder arrest warrant has been issued for Anderson, but she's
currently on the run, last believed to be in the
LA area. Cops say they've searched for her in the
Metro La area, but came up empty handed. Last known
location Echo Park, LA. But she's known to travel far
(39:56):
and wide, recently having been in San Francisco, San Diego,
Las Vegas, and Houston. Her contacts reached all the way
back to Georgia, where Little Cairo was born. Anderson five five,
one hundred and thirty five pounds, short, dark brown hair
and last known photo. Often prone to wear wigs or
(40:20):
hair extensions. I don't care how many extensions she wears.
Nothing is going to change those fingerprints. According to recently
released court documents, we learned police use technology to pull
fingerprints from trash bags that encased the tiny boy's body
stuffed in a suitcase. Those prints a one hundred percent
(40:43):
match to mommy, de Jan Anderson. I want justice. I
want Little Cairo's mother. Dejean Anderson brought back to court
to face a jury and a true rate. We wait
as justice unfold. Goodbye, friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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