June 3, 2025 • 42 mins
Sean "Diddy" Combs' 2016 video of the disgraced rap mogul assaulting then girlfriend, Cassie Ventura Fine, in a Los Angeles hotel, is taking center stage again in Comb's federal sex trafficking trial.
Eddy Garcia, former Intercontinental Hotel Security Guard, briefly took the stand and immediately pled the fifth. Judge Subramanian agreed to grant him immunity for his testimony, as long as he speaks the truth on the stand. The former security officer tells the court Combs paid $100,000 for a copy of the video, which shows Comb's kicking and dragging Cassie. CNN last year published the security footage.
Another witness introduced in opening statements expected to testify this week. “Jane,” who alleges Combs drugged and coerced her into participating in Freak Offs by taking control of her finances. Many speculating if Combs’ Chief of Staff, Kristina Khorram will testify, and if she does—for which side. Khorram is accused of facilitating and enabling Combs’ crimes in three separate lawsuits and has previously been compared to Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Neama Rahmani - Former Federal Prosecutor-turned-Trial Attorney; Author: “Harvard to Hashtag;" INSTAGRAM: @Neamarahmani, X: @NeamaRahmani
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Robert Crispin - Private Investigator at “Crispin Special Investigation," Former Federal Task Force Officer for the United States Department of Justice [DEA and Miami Field Division], Former Homicide and Crimes against children investigator; Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations Inc.
- Dr. Kimberly Mehlman-Orozco- Executive Director of Freedom Light, Human Trafficking Expert Witness, Author of “Hidden in Plain Sight: America’s Slaves of the New Millennium;" X: @MehlmanOrozco
- Dr. John Delatorre - Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; X, IG, and TikTok - @drjohndelatorre
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Former Publicist of Sean Combs, Author: "The 4 Word Answer;" IG: @naughtygossip
- Lauren Conlin - Investigative Journalist, Host of The Outlier Podcast, and also Host of "Corruption: What Happened to Grant Solomon; X- @Conlin_Lauren/ Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin/YouTube- @LaurenConlin4
- Sydney Sumner - Crime Stories Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Didty Bucks Sean Combs busted
paying one hundred thousand dollars to illegally obtain that Cassie
beat down video from the Intercontinental rent Row. I'm Nancy Grace,
(00:23):
this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
all the horror stories.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Fully testimony with.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Her one assistant having go to the hospital working for
Ditty was making her go bald. She was losing her hair.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
He is beating the living crap out of your daughter.
Did he had three guns across his lap? I don't
like this back and forth.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I prefer guns bombshell in the courtroom. In the last hours,
it's revealed that Sean Combs aka Ditty allegedly paid off
an employee to the tune of one hundred thousand dollars
to get that Cassie Ventura video. Let's take a look
(01:08):
at the Cassie Ventura beat down video. Now, it was
speculated upon so much in the press. Where did the
video come from? Did it come from the raid on?
Did he's mansion? Did he have it there? Where did
it come from? Wow? You wonder why he paid one
hundred thousand our dollars for this? Did he think it
(01:33):
would never come to light. Busted in court sworn testimony
that Shawn Holmes paid one hundred thousand dollars to get
his mits on this video. Look at it. I want
to see more of the Cassie video. This is the
(01:53):
video that cracked this case wide open. Cassie Ventura used
this to sue Sean Comes. Within twenty four hours, when
he realized she had oh this, he settled and then
released his scraping apology video. Now this goes on. He
(02:17):
drags her off and nothing but a tiwl. So arrogant
he thinks that's okay to run around a paush hotel
like the Inner Continental and nothing but a towel. Thank Heaven,
I didn't have to see that towel drop and see
the TUTSI roll. But that said, it goes on. But
this video was used in her civil lawsuit. And this
(02:38):
video was like pulling the tiger by the tail. You
can't hold on and you can't let go. Because once
the Feds saw this, they had to do something. The
statute of limitations had run in the local jurisdiction, so
it was up to the Feds, and what were they
gonna do? Stand there with their thumb up their ear end. No,
they had to act. Therefore, the multi count federal indictment.
(03:05):
No wondering. He paid one hundred grand to get his
mits on it, joining me an all star panel, but
first trate out to Sydney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter
who has been on the case from the very beginning.
Sidney Sumner one hundred thousand dollars, what happened? I bet
Sewan comes is just twirling around in his chair in
(03:26):
that courtroom.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Tell me everything, well, Nancy Eddie Garcia told us that
Christina Coorum was actually the first person to reach out
to him trying to obtain a copy of that video,
and Garcia told her, no, there's no way I can
do that. You're going to have to talk to hotel
management or you're going to have to get a subpoena.
(03:49):
And after talking on the phone with Christina Korum and
telling her no, this isn't an option, she then showed
up to the hotel asked him in person again. He
again politely told her no, she would have to go
through the proper channels to get that video, but he
did tell her, you know, off the record, this video
is bad, so Charsina Korum then calls back and puts
(04:13):
Sean Combs on the phone to have Combs of Kim
to get a copy of this video. Again, Garcia is like,
you know what, No, I can't do this. This has
to go through management, and Garcia starts running that up
the chain. So, now that he has had three separate
conversations where he's had to tell these people no, he
(04:34):
goes to management and tells them what's going on. Then
he gets a call on his personal cell phone number,
which he did not give out, and at this point
he's a little bit scared. He gets this call on
his personal phone number. Both Christina Korum and Combs are
still trying to convince him to give this video, and
Comb mentions, you know what, I'll take care of you
(04:56):
if you help me out, and Garcia immediately took that
to be a finance she'll offer. So Garcia goes to
his boss and his boss says, you know what, tell
them we'll do it for fifty K, and he relays
that over the phone back to Comb's and Comb agrees
to this fifty k, how soon can you get it
to me? Here's the address where you should meet me.
(05:18):
So Eddie goes to this meeting with a USB stick
of the only copy of the video, hands it over
and Christina Korum is there, so he calls Koram to
let her know that he's arrived to make this exchange.
She gets a security guard to bring him up to
Combe's room and he meets with Combs. Christina Koram is
in and out of the room. Combs wanted to ensure
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that this was the only copy of that video. He
made Garcia repeat that like ten times, and he also
told Garcia that Cassie wanted this video gone too. Everybody
wanted this to disappear. Garcia was doing the right thing
by giving them the copy of this video. So Comb's
make Garcia sign these intimidating documents. Garcia just wants to
(06:04):
get out of there, and those documents were confirming that
that was the only copy of this video in an NBA.
So Garcia testifies that he didn't really read those documents
to get an idea of what he was actually signing.
He just wanted to get out of there as quickly
as possible. Then Comb start counting out this huge sum
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in stacks of ten thousand dollars, and they had agreed
upon fifty k, but comb counts out one hundred thousand,
and Combs intended that money, So the fifty k for
the actual video, then split the other fifty between you
and the security guard that responded to the incident to
keep this quiet. So that's how Garcia took the extra
(06:49):
fifty k that was coming in. And he says Christina
Korum was in and out of the room as Combs
was counting this money, so she knew that he was
being paid off for giving the copy of this video.
And a few weeks later, Combs checked in with him
one more time just to make sure that was the
only copy, and he never heard from him again.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Joining me. In addition to Sidney Sumner in an All
Star panel, Nima Ramani with us. Let me tell you
about Ramani, former federal prosecutor, turn trial lawyer, president the
West Coast Trial Lawyers, author of Harvard to hashtag. It
goes on and on and on, but the important part
for me is he was a fed. Okay, the state
(07:33):
system is very different from the federal system. I was
lucky to get to be a FED for three years
before I became a violent crime prosecutor. Very different animal
Nima Ramani, can you say unindicted co conspirator, and I'm
talking about Korum, who denies all wrongdoing. She was there,
(07:57):
she was on the scene on endie co conspirator. Explain, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
We've been talking about Christina horm for months now, and
she's comebs, this right hand woman, and she knows where
the bodies are buried, and she's actually an active participant
in this obstruction of justice, this.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Witness tampering scheme, this bribery scheme, which of course is
a Rico predicate act.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
So I believe the FEDS are leaning on her and
she will testify. She's going to turn on her former employer,
Sean Diddy Combs. It's just a matter of days before
she's on the stand.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You know, Ramani, I've never accused you of throwing around
Latin or legal phrases. Again, you know yourrs don't like that.
Not everybody is miserable enough to have lived through law
school and had to put up with other lawyers for
a living. You know, they can be very obnoxious. You're
mistuck on an elevator in the courthouse with a bunch
(08:52):
of lawyers. They're constantly throwing around legal terms and Latin
terms to impress people. Please stop when you say this
is a predicate act. Could you just please talk and
regular people talk, because I had rage A the other
day telling me how Comes is not going to be convicted,
that this is not sex trafficking and it's not rico.
(09:13):
Rico is it's the prize here, all right, that's what
the feds want. They want a conviction on rico, which
is a criminal enterprise. Simply put, it can be a
loosely joined together group of people that take part in
a criminal enterprise. That's what it is. It's really not hard,
(09:34):
no legal mumbo jumbo necessary. And when you have employees
or minions as I call them, doing your illegal bidding
such as helping bribe someone, which is extortion, that makes
them part of the criminal enterprise. Extortion is a predicate act.
(09:54):
Now explain in regular people talk what you mean and
why this is a reco case. It's not hard, it's.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Not and that's why Rayja doesn't understand the law. So,
like you said, you just need that loose association that's
the criminal enterprise.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Bad boy records with ditty at the top. That's enough.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Then you need a pattern of racketeering activities. So what
does that mean. You just need two crimes that happen
within a ten year period. So what are those types
of crimes. It could be sex trafficking, it can be prostitution,
and say we've had lots of evidence of that, obstruction
of justice, witness tampering arson kid cutty his car.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
So you can have bribery. So as long as you
have these what we.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Call racketeering predicate acts or these crimes, that's the racket.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
So you don't need to be the mom, you don't
need to be a drug cartel or a streakingk.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
You can convince Combs of racketeering as long as you
have these elements, which we do in this case. And
the reason Rico is so important and so powerful, Nancy
is you can bring in a lot of evidence.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
And a lot of people in the case. So someone
like Christina jorm even if she didn't make the actual payment,
as long as she is a co conspirator she enters
into this unlawful agreement with Diddy to bribe someone or
to pay off a witness, she's on the hook for
all the crimes.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Further into the conspiracy, even the sex trafficking so y Ja.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He you know, it doesn't have to be a bunch
of thugs. It doesn't have to be the mob. Rico
has been used in LA I might add wide spread corruption.
Rico has been used on the LAPD and it worked
on cops. So it's not just about the mob. For
Rico joining me. In addition to Sydney and Nima, Rob
(11:51):
Shecheeter is with me and Rob Sheeter sometimes I don't
know if I love you or I hate you. Because
you worked for Diddie Seawan Combs for years. You quit,
God bless you. You had to see legal turn crap
ton of misbehavior. Let me tell you about Shooter. He's
(12:13):
a PR guru. He worked for Combs. He orchestrated tons
of combs. PR and PR was comes specialty in his mind,
and he was a tyrant. He is a host of
Naughty but Nice podcast and that's it. Rob Shooter s
h U T E R Not Bang Bang Shoot Robshooter
(12:35):
dot substack dot com and author of the ForWord Answer Shooter.
With that introduction, are you surprised? Comes suppusted and a
one hundred thousand dollars extortion.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
No, I'm not surprised. But first of all, let me say, Nancy,
I think you love me. I know you don't hate me.
I think it's loved. How about back to the subject
matter at hand. If he was a bully, he had
a lot of money. He liked to flash it around.
I remember going to restaurants with him and he always
had cash and he'd always have one hundred dollars bill
in his hand to give the matre d to get
(13:13):
a better table.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
He gave huge tips. He always used to say tip.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, let me just hold on.
You say so much, I might drink you from the fire. Hydicht,
let me get this picture. So I got Sean Combs
in his entourage at some fancy restaurant that I would
never dream of putting my toe in. And he gets
a seat. But it's not the right seat in the
(13:39):
fancy restaurant. So he's got to get the right seat.
Are you serious? He would pay an extra one hundred
dollars to get not just a seat, but the right seat.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
It really mattered to him. This is who he is.
I couldn't care less where I sat. I'd be lucky
enough to get in. For him, it really did matter.
He thought everybody was watching him, and to some extent
that was true. And he thought having did not sit at.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
The best table was a bad look.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And so he would make sure that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
How you do if you seat Sean Combs by the
men's bathroom or the kitchen he's forbid, or the entry
way where he might feel the wind when they opened
the door, hta in Oh, that ain't gonna happen. Just
give me an example. What are some of the restaurants
that Sean Combs would favor.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
There was a restaurant in New York that he loved
called Nobu. It's still open.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
But he also too, I went as in his calm ones.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Do you know how much one piece of sushi is
at Nobu? It's like forty dollars one? And I don't
mean a roll shooter. I'm not talking about six pieces.
I'm talking about one little piece. Seventy Jerry forty bucks Nobou.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
And then he puts even morebody down on the table
to get what he thinks is the seat he deserves.
My point here, though, is he is used to throwing
money and any situation to get what he wants.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Why the way you said that throwing a money? Okay,
go ahead, I want to hear about one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Of money, Boney.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
I was withsing once and he was told his fashion
week in New York and he wanted to go to
a fashion show. And I called the fashion people to
try and get him in and he was told no.
So what did did he do? This might sound familiar.
He asked me for the number, and he called himself,
and I think he offered money to an assistant to
young stylist.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
We are living in this Dirty Diddy dystopian dumpster world.
In some way, shape or form, Dirty Diddy is going down.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
My time working with Diddy was extraordinary, Nancy. I've never
experienced anything like that. Again, he was the ringmaster and
we played along with his circus.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Again, when you don't know what horse, look at his
track record. Diddy busted Diddy bucks one hundred thousand dollars
paid off for what he thought was the only copy
of the Cassie Ventura beat Down video. Why would he
pay one hundred thousand dollars? Oh there he is half
naked again. Oh he's walking that way because he's dragging
(16:09):
Cassie Ventira behind him one hundred thousand dollars. Why did
he pay that? Why did he pay four hundred thousand
dollars to Mia and the defense tried so hard to
discredit her? Why did he pay twenty mil to Cassi
Ventira to get her to shut her pie hole? But
(16:32):
was it Sydney Sumner? Was it the only copy of
the video?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Unbeknownst to Eddie Garcia, it was not. He believed that
Israel Flores was very by the book, and that's the
security guard we heard from on the stand first, and
he didn't think that Israel Flores would have taken a
copy of at home. But Flora testified that he wanted
to show his wife what had happened because otherwise she
wouldn't believe in that phone video that he took of
(17:02):
The surveillance footage ended up being one of the only
surviving copies as far as we know, we still don't
know exactly how CNN obtained their copy of the video.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Well, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
What, Robert Crispins joining me private investigator was with former
Federal Task Force officer for the US Department of Justice
in the Miami Field Division. They're not sitting around twiddling
their thumbs. Former homicide Crimes against Children investigator. He is
now at Crispin Investigations dot com. Crispin, don't you just
(17:39):
hate it when you blackmail somebody to the team of
one hundred grand and there's another video floating around rent Row?
Speaker 9 (17:46):
I mean, really, come on, think about it. Do you
really think that no one else was going to have
a video of ditting kicking the hell out of somebody,
especially Cassie Ventura?
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Come on?
Speaker 9 (18:00):
So here's the beauty of all this with the government,
this cast of guard Leonard stuffed this King for a day,
Queen for a day.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
They need people to.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
Give testimony ilure being indicted to say what happened?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Hey, hey, hey, Crispin, hold on just a moment. I
want you to factor this into your answer. Hold on
a shooter with me, Rob Shooter? What was Sean Comes's
reaction typically when he doesn't get his way, because in court,
when he was watching Brian Steele, who's a very very
(18:36):
good trial lawyer. It's a great defense attorney, right, I've
watched him in action. So Steele started off with Mia
with the Andy and Mayberry approach, trying to get the answers,
but yet being genial to her. He didn't want to
beat up on mea And you could see Sean Kin's
going Hugh Ell moving around and twisting around and holding
(18:57):
his face all that. I mean, he could see him
and then cudainly Brian still has a change of heart.
I mean, you can imagine if if Diddy is driving,
is steering that ship, then he gets really mean to me.
Still does so did he not getting what he wants?
Can you imagine how angry he was when he finds
(19:21):
out that was one hundred thousand dollars right down the
crapper there was another copy.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Yeah, I'm sure he was absolutely furious. Let me tell
you a little bit of a secret here about Puffey.
But somebody with all the money that he has is
incredibly cheap. He never wanted to pay for anything he
didn't have to pay for.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
He wanted to.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Get free clothes, free dinners, free tickets if he went
at the club's restaurants. He just didn't want to pay
for stuff. And so for him to have to reach
into his own pockets and pay one hundred thousand dollars,
which I think that tape is incredibly cheap. That tape
is going to change his life, and so it was
worth tens of millions of dollars for him to get
(20:02):
it for one hundred thousand dollars cheap, and then to
find out he didn't get it all there was another copy.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
He will have exploded.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
And he's exploded, what do you mean? Throw himself on
the floor and kick like a school a school child,
a two year old, screaming and kicking and snarling and crying.
What does he do when he doesn't get his way? Well,
I know he beats Cassie Ventra and others. But what
is he like when he doesn't get his way? Or
does he always get his way?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, that's interesting.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
He normally always does get his own way, and so
when he doesn't, it's hard for him to believe.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's like a shock. At first. He doesn't quite know
what to do because he never gets told no.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
There's nothing that he doesn't think he can fix with money,
with power, with making a personal phone call.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He deeply believes.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
In his own ability to convince you to do something
that you otherwise wouldn't want to do. But he's a screamer,
he's a shouter, He's a violent man. He could throw things.
I've seen him get so angry that he looks like
he's about to pash out, pass out. The veins in
his neck are popping.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
He turns into.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Okay, I need to hear about that, Shooter. What do
you mean When he doesn't get his way, he looks
like he's going to pass out.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
He gets so angry and answer. He gets so angry
he forgets to breathe like he.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Just can't believe that somebody says no to him. He
can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I'm just imagining when Shawn comes finds out there's another
video floating around crime stories with Nancy Grace, Rob Shooter
joining us from Naughty but Nice. Oh that but hold
(21:48):
on everybody very quickly to Robert Crispin. Now that you
know more about Shawn comes from someone that knows him.
Can you only imagine him gnashing his teeth and twisting
his tail when he finds out there's another video and
he gave a harndd away for it.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, he's not too happy right now. And
now people are parading in and talking about it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
People that could have been indicted, but they needed these people.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
They needed to seal up that part of the testimony.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
For that money.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
We are live at the Federal Courthouse in downtown Manhattan,
the Monahan Building, standing by his investigative reporter, Lauren Conlins.
He's been in the courtroom all day long. Start off
Pop Crime TV. What a bomb, a state bomb for
the defense druck right in the middle of that clatch
of lawyers. One hundred thousand dollars Diddybucks paid all four bribery.
(22:48):
Bribery which, as Romani pointed out, is a predicate at.
You have to have an underlying felony or predicate at
to prove Rico, tell me how that went over in
the courtroom. Yes, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
We started off by getting a really big interruption by
a woman that works for the MTA. The entire courtroom
turned around. This is before Eddie Garcia, the witness, walked in.
But that was quite a moment. She was screaming at
the press, saying that the press is awful and the
press is laughing at Ditty, And you should have seen
Ditty's face as well as everyone in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
We were all in shock.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
But back to Eddie Garcia, I mean, this testimony was
incredibly important to this case, as you know. He testified
that he received multiple calls from Christina Porum, Ditty's assistant,
before she eventually passed the phone over to Sean Holmes himself.
Eddie Garcia described talking to him saying, you know, look,
I already told your assistant here, but I don't have
(23:43):
any clearance to obtain this video that you want me
to obtain.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I cannot go in this room.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Only my boss can do that. And he described did
he kind of just buttering him up, saying, you know,
I know you can do it, Eddie, I believe.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
In you type of thing.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
And he also described Diddy is being very nervous seeming
on the phone saying, look, this could destroy my reputation.
Speaker 10 (24:06):
If it gets out.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Now he said, okay, you know, I'll talk to my boss,
et cetera. And this was actually after receiving a call
from Ditty and Christina on his cell phone. They started
off by calling him at the general security desk. They
somehow got his cell phone, which he said did make
him a little bit nervous, and he said that, you know,
he talked to his boss and he said, look, this is.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
What's going on.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
They want this video and his boss said, Okay, tell
him fifty thousand dollars. They make this meeting happen where
Diddy tells him a meeting place. He goes and gets
this black USB from his boss at the Intercontinental, and
he goes and he meets with Ditty, and he describes
being taken up to this room by one of Ditty's
security guards. He meets with Christina Korum and then eventually Diddy,
(24:52):
and he says that after some back and forth, did
he requested the IDs of Eddie Garcia and his boss,
another gentleman. And one of the first testimonies we heard,
I think it actually was the first one was Israel Flores,
who also was on duty that day. But Eddie Garcia said,
I don't think that Israel Flores is going to go
for this. So they got the idea of somebody else
(25:15):
and they texted these to him. He went in another room,
came back, got an NDA. Eddie Garcia had to sign
this this NDA, and then eventually did He came back
with a brown bag of money and a money counter,
and he did not get fifty thousand dollars. He got
one hundred thousand dollars. And he also said that about
two weeks later it was easter did he called him
(25:37):
again to check in, saying, Eddie, my angel, you know,
how are you have you heard anything or anybody mentioned
this video at all? And he said no, and.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That was that. Could you tell me what this reaction
in the courtroom when it came out from not one
but two witnesses that Comes had bribed one hundred thousand
dollars to get that video.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I'd say today the jury is much more reserved than
they were while listening to Mia. I mean, this is
important testimony, so they are listening intently. I would say
their heads kind of go back and forth between the
lawyer and the witness, you know, appropriately, and they look
at the documents that they're reading. We saw multiple times
(26:23):
the NDA on the screen and these jurors they were
reading it. They wanted to catch every word here.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You know, I'm very curious to doctor Bethany Marshall joining
a psychoanalyst out of la and author doctor Bethany to
hear what she's saying, what Lauren Colin is stating, to
finally be hit with reality that you've been uncovered in
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a bribe, and what's so important about the bribe not
just bribery on its own, but it serves as a
required underlying felony to show rico. And you know Sean
Combs knows that, and it's just pouring from the witness stand.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Well, you know, he can beat down Cassie Ventura, but
he can't beat down the prosecution. He cannot beat down
the fence. And this is the telling moment for him.
I wish I had like a monitor to rate his
to measure his perspiration rate, his heart rate, to see
what he's really going through. I bet he's flooded right now.
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I bet he's enraged. Like Rob Shooter talked about the
veins bulging out, he is probably enraged. He doesn't feel guilty,
he doesn't feel worried, Nancy. He is mad and he's
not going to be able to get away with this
once he's incarcerated. He's going to have plenty of incidents
when he's called on bad behavior and there's nothing he's
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going to be able to do about it. You can't
buy your way out of it once you're incarcerated. And
this interaction about the one hundred thousand dollars, you know,
this is just one iteration of many incidentss where he's
bought people off.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Lauren Colin joining us from on them on hand courthouse.
She's been in the courtroom the entire day. Lauren Colin
tell me about the woman that started screaming, What was
that all about? That was so crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I have to say I've seen her pretty much here
at the courthouse every day. She apparently works for the MTA.
She does seem to have some issues. I'm clearly not
a doctor, but I've seen her cause a fuss outside.
She just is always yelling at the press. And this
morning I was literally three feet away when she walked
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into the courtroom, because she is a member of the public,
and she did get here early enough to put her
name on the list, and I think she was actually
the number one bought. So she walked in the courtroom
and this is before the.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Jury walked in.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
The judge was discussing some issues with the defense and
the Feds, and she just starts screaming, diddy the you know,
they're laughing at you. They're laughing at you, meaning the press.
And then at one point they're trying there's three marshals
on her. They're trying to usher her out. She's standing still,
and she says to one of the marshals, go ahead
and use your gun. And that's when a bunch of
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the press kind of turned around to make sure their
back wasn't you know, to the scene, because it was.
It was pretty alarming. But you had to have seen
Diddy's face. He literally was like, what is even happening
right now?
Speaker 6 (29:25):
His jaw was on the ground.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Kimberly Melman a Rose co
joining US executive director of Freedom Light, human trafficking expert
and author of Hidden in Plane Side America, Slaves of
the New Millennium. This incredible book. By the way, doctor Kimberly,
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thank you for being with us. Doctor Kimberly. An aspect
that I have observed, and I want to see the
Cassie V video again. I'll tell you why sex traffickers
are rapists, especially serial rapists. They believe they're gonna get
away with it, and usually they do. If you take
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Combs for example, all the years years he has been
attacking people, according to the alleged victims, drugging them, raping them,
videoing them without their consent, but naked in all sorts
of positions. Here he is in a public hotel Hallway,
doctor Kimberly, And he doesn't care. That's actually fine with him,
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to beat her, to stop around in his socks and
his towel, that's okay. The arrogance of these sex traffickers
and sex offenders. They're convinced nobody's ever gonna tell on them.
The security guards aren't gonna hand over the video. No
one would dare cross Diddy. Is it a common character
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trait among sex traffickers, doctor Kimberly.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
Well, first of all, thank you for having me, Nancy,
and I would say that we certainly see with all
types of sexuality based offenders that can be in Bolden
when they are, their crimes are met with some level
of impunity. And I think that Diddy's celebrity status has
certainly bought him some privileges that the average person who
gauge age engages in criminal activity is not afforded. The
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difference here, though, is his pattern of criminal activity. I
think you hit the nail on the head when you
had your opening and you said the statutal limitations for
locally based charges had elapsed, and I think that's right.
I don't think anybody disputes I don't even think that
the friense disputes that their client is a criminal, he
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has engaged in criminal activity. I think their argument is
that the statutal limitations has elapsed and that there's an
overreach with the types of charges that he's facing with
regards to human trafficking. From what I can see from
this case, I think there is some atypicality. For example,
we don't see Cassy being sold off to other people.
We don't see the dipos.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Kimberly, she was trafficked to other people according to her,
because sex workers were flown in to have sex with
her on video even when she didn't want That wouldn't
that constitute.
Speaker 10 (32:25):
Typically listen is it would be atypical. But I understand
exactly what you're saying here, Nancy, and this is why
this is a precedent setting case. But typically the trafficking
when somebody is sold to another person, the person who's
receiving those sexual services would be the commercial sex consumer
and would be paying the trafficker. That's what would happen
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typically in a sex trafficking situation. This is atypical in
the sense of comes was paying sex workers to engage
in sexual activities? With Cassy. Some of those sex workers
testified and saying and stated that she seemed to be
enjoying herself quote unquote. I think that that's all for debate,
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and I think that that's part of the adversarial presentation
of this case in front.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Of the jury. Okay, that is a mouthful doctor Bethony
Marshall response.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
About him throwing those lavish parties with women who are compromised,
and because of that, he promotes his business to celebrities,
and that part has yet to come out. But he
is benefiting quite a bit from this. He may not
be taking cash, but he is taking business deals, the
sale of his clothing, his perfume, everything. He is reaping
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all the benefits of this.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
And in that Cassie beat.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
Down tape, Nancy a little detail is I think she's
carrying an airman's purse. He rushes out, he grabs the
purse as if it's his own, and grabs her drags
her down the hallway. What is the difference between that
and a pimp on the street giving a twelve year
old a very small gift and then withdrawing it when
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she doesn't obey him. This is slavery and sex trafficking
one oh one.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It just takes an unusual form bombshell in the trial
of Seawan Combs in court today evidence of a one
hundred thousand dollars bribe paid for the Cassie Ventira beat
down video. That wasn't the only witness on the stand,
Sydy Summer Crime Stories investigative reporter. Wasn't there a bookkeeper
for bad Boy Records that took the stand? That's correct.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Derek Ferguson, who was the former eas financial officer for
Sean Diddycomb's businesses, has been on the stand, and he
worked for Diddy for a very long time nineteen ninety
eight to twenty seventeen. So are you giving us a
rundown of how finances worked for that business? Who carried money?
(34:52):
It wasn't uncommon for staff to be handling large amounts
of cash back in the day, laying out exactly how
finances worked for Shawan Combe's businesses, saying that Shawn Colms
occasionally used company cards to charge personal charges and that
staff later went back and reconciled where exactly money needed
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to shift from account to account to cover those charges.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Okay, hold on by ba ba ba ba wah, wait, wait, wait, Sydney.
As usual, you're giving me a ton of evidence. Let
me sift through because you know I like to go
through each line individually. Okay, Nimo Ramani. Did you hear
what Derek Ferguson's testifying to. It's Shawn Conne's former CFO
on the stand. You know he knows where the bodies
are buried. Did you hear what she just said? That
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they would make these expenditures, say, let's say a thousand
dollars for baby oil and astro glide or one hundred
grand payoff, and then the accountant would have to figure
out how to shift funds, in other words, cook the
books to make it all sure to be business expenses.
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That's what that is.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
That's absolutely what it is, Nancy. And this is consistent
with all the assistants what they've been testifying to. That
they had a lot of cash, and then when it
was something unlawful or something for the freak offs, they
would use that cash. And if it was something legitimate
like a meal, they would charge the credit card right
the business account. And look, even when comb's paid off,
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Eddie Garcia, he told him, don't make any large purchases.
He knew that this was illegal, just like he paid
cash to the sex workers.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
He paid cash for the drugs.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
There's something wrong with cash, but usually nancy people use cash,
large amounts of it when they're engaged in illegal activity.
That's exactly what we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Here, isn't it true? Name of Romani that banks across
the country. When you make a ten thousand dollars withdrawal,
I mean or deposit, the bank says, wa, whoa, whoa,
Wait a minute, ten grand, ten grand and one dollar.
We've got to account for that. Are you a doper?
Because that's common that amount of cash used. Something's way wrong.
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I have to dig around just to get out of
a parking deck. You know, I'm looking under the carpet
in the minivan who carries one hundred grand? Sean Combs,
Now listen to this, Ramiani Ferguson. You know the meek,
mild mannered account on the Standard Scribes properties comes on
in Miami, New York. The Hampton's executives are given American
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Express cards for expenses, but the business relies on cash.
Many of the quote performers sex traffic workers requested cash
as payment. The bodyguards carried cash. That's what we're hearing
from Ferguson. See where I'm going with this. Hold On,
(37:52):
let me go to Robert Crispin. Crispin, when you raid
a doper, don't you get like any balls as I
call them, and you test that money. It's covered in
dope particles, money, cash, What does it mean?
Speaker 6 (38:08):
Stacks.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It's illegal.
Speaker 9 (38:09):
It's derived from the illegal proceeds of criminal activity. And
it's everywhere in a search warm, it's all over. It's
in the rooms, they're in safe They're in the.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Bad guy's pocket. Yeah, all over the place.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
My best friend, my best friend girl is a dope lawyer,
and she carries I don't know, six hundred dollars in
a ball in her sock whatever you know where that
came from. It's dope money. It's her legal fee from dopers. Now,
I mean, when I hear this, doctor Bethany Marshall, I'm
making poking fun at my friend carrying six hundred dollars
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rolled up in her sock. It's dope money. My point
is this shows a nefarious nature. Right of course, the
thinking it through. I can't use my credit card, I
can't certainly write a check to what was his name,
the punisher, the sex worker, because that's wrong and I'll
get caught, so I have to pay in cash. It's
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an age old method of hiding crime.
Speaker 8 (39:19):
You know, Nancy. And not just in this kind of
a criminal enterprise. But remember when Warren Chefs of the
FLDS cult was pulled over with all of his wives.
He had tons of cash and.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
He was headed to Las Vegas.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
This is so typical of these top heavy male enterprises
where they keep women under their thumb who then abuse
other women. There's always cash at the top.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And Nancy that escalade.
Speaker 8 (39:44):
Remember when Kid Cutty's car had a Molotov cocktail thrown
in it. That escalade was registered to bad Boy Records,
meaning he was paying for that escalade from business funds.
He was writing it off as a business expense. He
probably wrote one hundred thousand dollars off as a business expense. Hey,
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the hotel where he was staying where he beat Cassie Ventura,
he paid for that was business funds. Are those freakoffs
business expenses? Of course not. That's a lot of shifting
money around that accountant had to do.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Oh what a tangled web we weave. When first we
practiced to deceive. You think the fans can't see through
all that money? Please? You remember in the Wizard of
oz Nima Romani when Dorothy throws the water on the
witch and she's I'm melting. That's what's happening right now?
(40:43):
Did he melting with this money evidence? Because everything else,
just like ray Ja the other day, please says it's
just domestic abuse, one hundred grand bribe, Molotov cocktail. Now
we're if you don't want to believe Ventura and Maya,
about the beatings, what about the arson? What about the bribe? Now,
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this is some hard evidence that cannot be shaded with
the umbrella. Oh it's just a spat between a girlfriend
and a boyfriend. No, it's not. He's melting.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
Even if the jurors don't believe Cassie venture and they
believed that she was a willing participant in the freak offs,
that they were consensual, the Feds can still get a
conviction on Rico, with arson, with kidnapping, with bribery, with obstruction,
with witness tampering.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
There's many many paths to get there.
Speaker 5 (41:39):
That's why the Rico charge is so incredibly important. It
allows the FEDS and the Department of Justice to potentially
put Diddy away for life, even if the.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
Jurs don't believe the sex trafficking was forced or course.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
We remember now an American hero share of Andrew Clark
to Cab County, killed in the line of duty, survived
by grieving wife Jody and four beautiful children Brianna, Brooklyn, Alexavier,
and Chloe. American hero Sheriff Andrew Clark. Nancy Grace signing
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off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Didty Bucks Sean Combs busted
paying one hundred thousand dollars to illegally obtain that Cassie
beat down video from the Intercontinental rent Row. I'm Nancy Grace,
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this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
all the horror stories.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Fully testimony with.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Her one assistant having go to the hospital working for
Ditty was making her go bald. She was losing her hair.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
He is beating the living crap out of your daughter.
Did he had three guns across his lap? I don't
like this back and forth.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I prefer guns bombshell in the courtroom. In the last hours,
it's revealed that Sean Combs aka Ditty allegedly paid off
an employee to the tune of one hundred thousand dollars
to get that Cassie Ventura video. Let's take a look
(01:08):
at the Cassie Ventura beat down video. Now, it was
speculated upon so much in the press. Where did the
video come from? Did it come from the raid on?
Did he's mansion? Did he have it there? Where did
it come from? Wow? You wonder why he paid one
hundred thousand our dollars for this? Did he think it
(01:33):
would never come to light. Busted in court sworn testimony
that Shawn Holmes paid one hundred thousand dollars to get
his mits on this video. Look at it. I want
to see more of the Cassie video. This is the
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video that cracked this case wide open. Cassie Ventura used
this to sue Sean Comes. Within twenty four hours, when
he realized she had oh this, he settled and then
released his scraping apology video. Now this goes on. He
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drags her off and nothing but a tiwl. So arrogant
he thinks that's okay to run around a paush hotel
like the Inner Continental and nothing but a towel. Thank Heaven,
I didn't have to see that towel drop and see
the TUTSI roll. But that said, it goes on. But
this video was used in her civil lawsuit. And this
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video was like pulling the tiger by the tail. You
can't hold on and you can't let go. Because once
the Feds saw this, they had to do something. The
statute of limitations had run in the local jurisdiction, so
it was up to the Feds, and what were they
gonna do? Stand there with their thumb up their ear end. No,
they had to act. Therefore, the multi count federal indictment.
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No wondering. He paid one hundred grand to get his
mits on it, joining me an all star panel, but
first trate out to Sydney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter
who has been on the case from the very beginning.
Sidney Sumner one hundred thousand dollars, what happened? I bet
Sewan comes is just twirling around in his chair in
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that courtroom.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Tell me everything, well, Nancy Eddie Garcia told us that
Christina Coorum was actually the first person to reach out
to him trying to obtain a copy of that video,
and Garcia told her, no, there's no way I can
do that. You're going to have to talk to hotel
management or you're going to have to get a subpoena.
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And after talking on the phone with Christina Korum and
telling her no, this isn't an option, she then showed
up to the hotel asked him in person again. He
again politely told her no, she would have to go
through the proper channels to get that video, but he
did tell her, you know, off the record, this video
is bad, so Charsina Korum then calls back and puts
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Sean Combs on the phone to have Combs of Kim
to get a copy of this video. Again, Garcia is like,
you know what, No, I can't do this. This has
to go through management, and Garcia starts running that up
the chain. So, now that he has had three separate
conversations where he's had to tell these people no, he
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goes to management and tells them what's going on. Then
he gets a call on his personal cell phone number,
which he did not give out, and at this point
he's a little bit scared. He gets this call on
his personal phone number. Both Christina Korum and Combs are
still trying to convince him to give this video, and
Comb mentions, you know what, I'll take care of you
(04:56):
if you help me out, and Garcia immediately took that
to be a finance she'll offer. So Garcia goes to
his boss and his boss says, you know what, tell
them we'll do it for fifty K, and he relays
that over the phone back to Comb's and Comb agrees
to this fifty k, how soon can you get it
to me? Here's the address where you should meet me.
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So Eddie goes to this meeting with a USB stick
of the only copy of the video, hands it over
and Christina Korum is there, so he calls Koram to
let her know that he's arrived to make this exchange.
She gets a security guard to bring him up to
Combe's room and he meets with Combs. Christina Koram is
in and out of the room. Combs wanted to ensure
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that this was the only copy of that video. He
made Garcia repeat that like ten times, and he also
told Garcia that Cassie wanted this video gone too. Everybody
wanted this to disappear. Garcia was doing the right thing
by giving them the copy of this video. So Comb's
make Garcia sign these intimidating documents. Garcia just wants to
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get out of there, and those documents were confirming that
that was the only copy of this video in an NBA.
So Garcia testifies that he didn't really read those documents
to get an idea of what he was actually signing.
He just wanted to get out of there as quickly
as possible. Then Comb start counting out this huge sum
(06:28):
in stacks of ten thousand dollars, and they had agreed
upon fifty k, but comb counts out one hundred thousand,
and Combs intended that money, So the fifty k for
the actual video, then split the other fifty between you
and the security guard that responded to the incident to
keep this quiet. So that's how Garcia took the extra
(06:49):
fifty k that was coming in. And he says Christina
Korum was in and out of the room as Combs
was counting this money, so she knew that he was
being paid off for giving the copy of this video.
And a few weeks later, Combs checked in with him
one more time just to make sure that was the
only copy, and he never heard from him again.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Joining me. In addition to Sidney Sumner in an All
Star panel, Nima Ramani with us. Let me tell you
about Ramani, former federal prosecutor, turn trial lawyer, president the
West Coast Trial Lawyers, author of Harvard to hashtag. It
goes on and on and on, but the important part
for me is he was a fed. Okay, the state
(07:33):
system is very different from the federal system. I was
lucky to get to be a FED for three years
before I became a violent crime prosecutor. Very different animal
Nima Ramani, can you say unindicted co conspirator, and I'm
talking about Korum, who denies all wrongdoing. She was there,
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she was on the scene on endie co conspirator. Explain, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
We've been talking about Christina horm for months now, and
she's comebs, this right hand woman, and she knows where
the bodies are buried, and she's actually an active participant
in this obstruction of justice, this.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Witness tampering scheme, this bribery scheme, which of course is
a Rico predicate act.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
So I believe the FEDS are leaning on her and
she will testify. She's going to turn on her former employer,
Sean Diddy Combs. It's just a matter of days before
she's on the stand.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You know, Ramani, I've never accused you of throwing around
Latin or legal phrases. Again, you know yourrs don't like that.
Not everybody is miserable enough to have lived through law
school and had to put up with other lawyers for
a living. You know, they can be very obnoxious. You're
mistuck on an elevator in the courthouse with a bunch
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of lawyers. They're constantly throwing around legal terms and Latin
terms to impress people. Please stop when you say this
is a predicate act. Could you just please talk and
regular people talk, because I had rage A the other
day telling me how Comes is not going to be convicted,
that this is not sex trafficking and it's not rico.
(09:13):
Rico is it's the prize here, all right, that's what
the feds want. They want a conviction on rico, which
is a criminal enterprise. Simply put, it can be a
loosely joined together group of people that take part in
a criminal enterprise. That's what it is. It's really not hard,
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no legal mumbo jumbo necessary. And when you have employees
or minions as I call them, doing your illegal bidding
such as helping bribe someone, which is extortion, that makes
them part of the criminal enterprise. Extortion is a predicate act.
(09:54):
Now explain in regular people talk what you mean and
why this is a reco case. It's not hard, it's.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Not and that's why Rayja doesn't understand the law. So,
like you said, you just need that loose association that's
the criminal enterprise.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Bad boy records with ditty at the top. That's enough.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Then you need a pattern of racketeering activities. So what
does that mean. You just need two crimes that happen
within a ten year period. So what are those types
of crimes. It could be sex trafficking, it can be prostitution,
and say we've had lots of evidence of that, obstruction
of justice, witness tampering arson kid cutty his car.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
So you can have bribery. So as long as you
have these what we.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Call racketeering predicate acts or these crimes, that's the racket.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
So you don't need to be the mom, you don't
need to be a drug cartel or a streakingk.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
You can convince Combs of racketeering as long as you
have these elements, which we do in this case. And
the reason Rico is so important and so powerful, Nancy
is you can bring in a lot of evidence.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
And a lot of people in the case. So someone
like Christina jorm even if she didn't make the actual payment,
as long as she is a co conspirator she enters
into this unlawful agreement with Diddy to bribe someone or
to pay off a witness, she's on the hook for
all the crimes.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Further into the conspiracy, even the sex trafficking so y Ja.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He you know, it doesn't have to be a bunch
of thugs. It doesn't have to be the mob. Rico
has been used in LA I might add wide spread corruption.
Rico has been used on the LAPD and it worked
on cops. So it's not just about the mob. For
Rico joining me. In addition to Sydney and Nima, Rob
(11:51):
Shecheeter is with me and Rob Sheeter sometimes I don't
know if I love you or I hate you. Because
you worked for Diddie Seawan Combs for years. You quit,
God bless you. You had to see legal turn crap
ton of misbehavior. Let me tell you about Shooter. He's
(12:13):
a PR guru. He worked for Combs. He orchestrated tons
of combs. PR and PR was comes specialty in his mind,
and he was a tyrant. He is a host of
Naughty but Nice podcast and that's it. Rob Shooter s
h U T E R Not Bang Bang Shoot Robshooter
(12:35):
dot substack dot com and author of the ForWord Answer Shooter.
With that introduction, are you surprised? Comes suppusted and a
one hundred thousand dollars extortion.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
No, I'm not surprised. But first of all, let me say, Nancy,
I think you love me. I know you don't hate me.
I think it's loved. How about back to the subject
matter at hand. If he was a bully, he had
a lot of money. He liked to flash it around.
I remember going to restaurants with him and he always
had cash and he'd always have one hundred dollars bill
in his hand to give the matre d to get
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a better table.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
He gave huge tips. He always used to say tip.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, let me just hold on.
You say so much, I might drink you from the fire. Hydicht,
let me get this picture. So I got Sean Combs
in his entourage at some fancy restaurant that I would
never dream of putting my toe in. And he gets
a seat. But it's not the right seat in the
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fancy restaurant. So he's got to get the right seat.
Are you serious? He would pay an extra one hundred
dollars to get not just a seat, but the right seat.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
It really mattered to him. This is who he is.
I couldn't care less where I sat. I'd be lucky
enough to get in. For him, it really did matter.
He thought everybody was watching him, and to some extent
that was true. And he thought having did not sit at.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
The best table was a bad look.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And so he would make sure that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
How you do if you seat Sean Combs by the
men's bathroom or the kitchen he's forbid, or the entry
way where he might feel the wind when they opened
the door, hta in Oh, that ain't gonna happen. Just
give me an example. What are some of the restaurants
that Sean Combs would favor.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
There was a restaurant in New York that he loved
called Nobu. It's still open.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
But he also too, I went as in his calm ones.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Do you know how much one piece of sushi is
at Nobu? It's like forty dollars one? And I don't
mean a roll shooter. I'm not talking about six pieces.
I'm talking about one little piece. Seventy Jerry forty bucks Nobou.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's crazy.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
And then he puts even morebody down on the table
to get what he thinks is the seat he deserves.
My point here, though, is he is used to throwing
money and any situation to get what he wants.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Why the way you said that throwing a money? Okay,
go ahead, I want to hear about one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Of money, Boney.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
I was withsing once and he was told his fashion
week in New York and he wanted to go to
a fashion show. And I called the fashion people to
try and get him in and he was told no.
So what did did he do? This might sound familiar.
He asked me for the number, and he called himself,
and I think he offered money to an assistant to
young stylist.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
We are living in this Dirty Diddy dystopian dumpster world.
In some way, shape or form, Dirty Diddy is going down.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
My time working with Diddy was extraordinary, Nancy. I've never
experienced anything like that. Again, he was the ringmaster and
we played along with his circus.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Again, when you don't know what horse, look at his
track record. Diddy busted Diddy bucks one hundred thousand dollars
paid off for what he thought was the only copy
of the Cassie Ventura beat Down video. Why would he
pay one hundred thousand dollars? Oh there he is half
naked again. Oh he's walking that way because he's dragging
(16:09):
Cassie Ventira behind him one hundred thousand dollars. Why did
he pay that? Why did he pay four hundred thousand
dollars to Mia and the defense tried so hard to
discredit her? Why did he pay twenty mil to Cassi
Ventira to get her to shut her pie hole? But
(16:32):
was it Sydney Sumner? Was it the only copy of
the video?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Unbeknownst to Eddie Garcia, it was not. He believed that
Israel Flores was very by the book, and that's the
security guard we heard from on the stand first, and
he didn't think that Israel Flores would have taken a
copy of at home. But Flora testified that he wanted
to show his wife what had happened because otherwise she
wouldn't believe in that phone video that he took of
(17:02):
The surveillance footage ended up being one of the only
surviving copies as far as we know, we still don't
know exactly how CNN obtained their copy of the video.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Well, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
What, Robert Crispins joining me private investigator was with former
Federal Task Force officer for the US Department of Justice
in the Miami Field Division. They're not sitting around twiddling
their thumbs. Former homicide Crimes against Children investigator. He is
now at Crispin Investigations dot com. Crispin, don't you just
(17:39):
hate it when you blackmail somebody to the team of
one hundred grand and there's another video floating around rent Row?
Speaker 9 (17:46):
I mean, really, come on, think about it. Do you
really think that no one else was going to have
a video of ditting kicking the hell out of somebody,
especially Cassie Ventura?
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Come on?
Speaker 9 (18:00):
So here's the beauty of all this with the government,
this cast of guard Leonard stuffed this King for a day,
Queen for a day.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
They need people to.
Speaker 9 (18:10):
Give testimony ilure being indicted to say what happened?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Hey, hey, hey, Crispin, hold on just a moment. I
want you to factor this into your answer. Hold on
a shooter with me, Rob Shooter? What was Sean Comes's
reaction typically when he doesn't get his way, because in court,
when he was watching Brian Steele, who's a very very
(18:36):
good trial lawyer. It's a great defense attorney, right, I've
watched him in action. So Steele started off with Mia
with the Andy and Mayberry approach, trying to get the answers,
but yet being genial to her. He didn't want to
beat up on mea And you could see Sean Kin's
going Hugh Ell moving around and twisting around and holding
(18:57):
his face all that. I mean, he could see him
and then cudainly Brian still has a change of heart.
I mean, you can imagine if if Diddy is driving,
is steering that ship, then he gets really mean to me.
Still does so did he not getting what he wants?
Can you imagine how angry he was when he finds
(19:21):
out that was one hundred thousand dollars right down the
crapper there was another copy.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Yeah, I'm sure he was absolutely furious. Let me tell
you a little bit of a secret here about Puffey.
But somebody with all the money that he has is
incredibly cheap. He never wanted to pay for anything he
didn't have to pay for.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
He wanted to.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Get free clothes, free dinners, free tickets if he went
at the club's restaurants. He just didn't want to pay
for stuff. And so for him to have to reach
into his own pockets and pay one hundred thousand dollars,
which I think that tape is incredibly cheap. That tape
is going to change his life, and so it was
worth tens of millions of dollars for him to get
(20:02):
it for one hundred thousand dollars cheap, and then to
find out he didn't get it all there was another copy.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
He will have exploded.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
And he's exploded, what do you mean? Throw himself on
the floor and kick like a school a school child,
a two year old, screaming and kicking and snarling and crying.
What does he do when he doesn't get his way? Well,
I know he beats Cassie Ventra and others. But what
is he like when he doesn't get his way? Or
does he always get his way?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, that's interesting.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
He normally always does get his own way, and so
when he doesn't, it's hard for him to believe.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's like a shock. At first. He doesn't quite know
what to do because he never gets told no.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
There's nothing that he doesn't think he can fix with money,
with power, with making a personal phone call.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
He deeply believes.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
In his own ability to convince you to do something
that you otherwise wouldn't want to do. But he's a screamer,
he's a shouter, He's a violent man. He could throw things.
I've seen him get so angry that he looks like
he's about to pash out, pass out. The veins in
his neck are popping.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
He turns into.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Okay, I need to hear about that, Shooter. What do
you mean When he doesn't get his way, he looks
like he's going to pass out.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
He gets so angry and answer. He gets so angry
he forgets to breathe like he.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Just can't believe that somebody says no to him. He
can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I'm just imagining when Shawn comes finds out there's another
video floating around crime stories with Nancy Grace, Rob Shooter
joining us from Naughty but Nice. Oh that but hold
(21:48):
on everybody very quickly to Robert Crispin. Now that you
know more about Shawn comes from someone that knows him.
Can you only imagine him gnashing his teeth and twisting
his tail when he finds out there's another video and
he gave a harndd away for it.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, he's not too happy right now. And
now people are parading in and talking about it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
People that could have been indicted, but they needed these people.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
They needed to seal up that part of the testimony.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
For that money.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
We are live at the Federal Courthouse in downtown Manhattan,
the Monahan Building, standing by his investigative reporter, Lauren Conlins.
He's been in the courtroom all day long. Start off
Pop Crime TV. What a bomb, a state bomb for
the defense druck right in the middle of that clatch
of lawyers. One hundred thousand dollars Diddybucks paid all four bribery.
(22:48):
Bribery which, as Romani pointed out, is a predicate at.
You have to have an underlying felony or predicate at
to prove Rico, tell me how that went over in
the courtroom. Yes, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
We started off by getting a really big interruption by
a woman that works for the MTA. The entire courtroom
turned around. This is before Eddie Garcia, the witness, walked in.
But that was quite a moment. She was screaming at
the press, saying that the press is awful and the
press is laughing at Ditty, And you should have seen
Ditty's face as well as everyone in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
We were all in shock.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
But back to Eddie Garcia, I mean, this testimony was
incredibly important to this case, as you know. He testified
that he received multiple calls from Christina Porum, Ditty's assistant,
before she eventually passed the phone over to Sean Holmes himself.
Eddie Garcia described talking to him saying, you know, look,
I already told your assistant here, but I don't have
(23:43):
any clearance to obtain this video that you want me
to obtain.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I cannot go in this room.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Only my boss can do that. And he described did
he kind of just buttering him up, saying, you know,
I know you can do it, Eddie, I believe.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
In you type of thing.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
And he also described Diddy is being very nervous seeming
on the phone saying, look, this could destroy my reputation.
Speaker 10 (24:06):
If it gets out.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Now he said, okay, you know, I'll talk to my boss,
et cetera. And this was actually after receiving a call
from Ditty and Christina on his cell phone. They started
off by calling him at the general security desk. They
somehow got his cell phone, which he said did make
him a little bit nervous, and he said that, you know,
he talked to his boss and he said, look, this is.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
What's going on.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
They want this video and his boss said, Okay, tell
him fifty thousand dollars. They make this meeting happen where
Diddy tells him a meeting place. He goes and gets
this black USB from his boss at the Intercontinental, and
he goes and he meets with Ditty, and he describes
being taken up to this room by one of Ditty's
security guards. He meets with Christina Korum and then eventually Diddy,
(24:52):
and he says that after some back and forth, did
he requested the IDs of Eddie Garcia and his boss,
another gentleman. And one of the first testimonies we heard,
I think it actually was the first one was Israel Flores,
who also was on duty that day. But Eddie Garcia said,
I don't think that Israel Flores is going to go
for this. So they got the idea of somebody else
(25:15):
and they texted these to him. He went in another room,
came back, got an NDA. Eddie Garcia had to sign
this this NDA, and then eventually did He came back
with a brown bag of money and a money counter,
and he did not get fifty thousand dollars. He got
one hundred thousand dollars. And he also said that about
two weeks later it was easter did he called him
(25:37):
again to check in, saying, Eddie, my angel, you know,
how are you have you heard anything or anybody mentioned
this video at all? And he said no, and.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That was that. Could you tell me what this reaction
in the courtroom when it came out from not one
but two witnesses that Comes had bribed one hundred thousand
dollars to get that video.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I'd say today the jury is much more reserved than
they were while listening to Mia. I mean, this is
important testimony, so they are listening intently. I would say
their heads kind of go back and forth between the
lawyer and the witness, you know, appropriately, and they look
at the documents that they're reading. We saw multiple times
(26:23):
the NDA on the screen and these jurors they were
reading it. They wanted to catch every word here.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You know, I'm very curious to doctor Bethany Marshall joining
a psychoanalyst out of la and author doctor Bethany to
hear what she's saying, what Lauren Colin is stating, to
finally be hit with reality that you've been uncovered in
(26:48):
a bribe, and what's so important about the bribe not
just bribery on its own, but it serves as a
required underlying felony to show rico. And you know Sean
Combs knows that, and it's just pouring from the witness stand.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
Well, you know, he can beat down Cassie Ventura, but
he can't beat down the prosecution. He cannot beat down
the fence. And this is the telling moment for him.
I wish I had like a monitor to rate his
to measure his perspiration rate, his heart rate, to see
what he's really going through. I bet he's flooded right now.
(27:28):
I bet he's enraged. Like Rob Shooter talked about the
veins bulging out, he is probably enraged. He doesn't feel guilty,
he doesn't feel worried, Nancy. He is mad and he's
not going to be able to get away with this
once he's incarcerated. He's going to have plenty of incidents
when he's called on bad behavior and there's nothing he's
(27:51):
going to be able to do about it. You can't
buy your way out of it once you're incarcerated. And
this interaction about the one hundred thousand dollars, you know,
this is just one iteration of many incidentss where he's
bought people off.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Lauren Colin joining us from on them on hand courthouse.
She's been in the courtroom the entire day. Lauren Colin
tell me about the woman that started screaming, What was
that all about? That was so crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I have to say I've seen her pretty much here
at the courthouse every day. She apparently works for the MTA.
She does seem to have some issues. I'm clearly not
a doctor, but I've seen her cause a fuss outside.
She just is always yelling at the press. And this
morning I was literally three feet away when she walked
(28:39):
into the courtroom, because she is a member of the public,
and she did get here early enough to put her
name on the list, and I think she was actually
the number one bought. So she walked in the courtroom
and this is before the.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Jury walked in.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
The judge was discussing some issues with the defense and
the Feds, and she just starts screaming, diddy the you know,
they're laughing at you. They're laughing at you, meaning the press.
And then at one point they're trying there's three marshals
on her. They're trying to usher her out. She's standing still,
and she says to one of the marshals, go ahead
and use your gun. And that's when a bunch of
(29:13):
the press kind of turned around to make sure their
back wasn't you know, to the scene, because it was.
It was pretty alarming. But you had to have seen
Diddy's face. He literally was like, what is even happening
right now?
Speaker 6 (29:25):
His jaw was on the ground.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Kimberly Melman a Rose co
joining US executive director of Freedom Light, human trafficking expert
and author of Hidden in Plane Side America, Slaves of
the New Millennium. This incredible book. By the way, doctor Kimberly,
(29:54):
thank you for being with us. Doctor Kimberly. An aspect
that I have observed, and I want to see the
Cassie V video again. I'll tell you why sex traffickers
are rapists, especially serial rapists. They believe they're gonna get
away with it, and usually they do. If you take
(30:14):
Combs for example, all the years years he has been
attacking people, according to the alleged victims, drugging them, raping them,
videoing them without their consent, but naked in all sorts
of positions. Here he is in a public hotel Hallway,
doctor Kimberly, And he doesn't care. That's actually fine with him,
(30:38):
to beat her, to stop around in his socks and
his towel, that's okay. The arrogance of these sex traffickers
and sex offenders. They're convinced nobody's ever gonna tell on them.
The security guards aren't gonna hand over the video. No
one would dare cross Diddy. Is it a common character
(31:02):
trait among sex traffickers, doctor Kimberly.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
Well, first of all, thank you for having me, Nancy,
and I would say that we certainly see with all
types of sexuality based offenders that can be in Bolden
when they are, their crimes are met with some level
of impunity. And I think that Diddy's celebrity status has
certainly bought him some privileges that the average person who
gauge age engages in criminal activity is not afforded. The
(31:26):
difference here, though, is his pattern of criminal activity. I
think you hit the nail on the head when you
had your opening and you said the statutal limitations for
locally based charges had elapsed, and I think that's right.
I don't think anybody disputes I don't even think that
the friense disputes that their client is a criminal, he
(31:46):
has engaged in criminal activity. I think their argument is
that the statutal limitations has elapsed and that there's an
overreach with the types of charges that he's facing with
regards to human trafficking. From what I can see from
this case, I think there is some atypicality. For example,
we don't see Cassy being sold off to other people.
We don't see the dipos.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Kimberly, she was trafficked to other people according to her,
because sex workers were flown in to have sex with
her on video even when she didn't want That wouldn't
that constitute.
Speaker 10 (32:25):
Typically listen is it would be atypical. But I understand
exactly what you're saying here, Nancy, and this is why
this is a precedent setting case. But typically the trafficking
when somebody is sold to another person, the person who's
receiving those sexual services would be the commercial sex consumer
and would be paying the trafficker. That's what would happen
(32:46):
typically in a sex trafficking situation. This is atypical in
the sense of comes was paying sex workers to engage
in sexual activities? With Cassy. Some of those sex workers
testified and saying and stated that she seemed to be
enjoying herself quote unquote. I think that that's all for debate,
(33:07):
and I think that that's part of the adversarial presentation
of this case in front.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Of the jury. Okay, that is a mouthful doctor Bethony
Marshall response.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
About him throwing those lavish parties with women who are compromised,
and because of that, he promotes his business to celebrities,
and that part has yet to come out. But he
is benefiting quite a bit from this. He may not
be taking cash, but he is taking business deals, the
sale of his clothing, his perfume, everything. He is reaping
(33:37):
all the benefits of this.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
And in that Cassie beat.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
Down tape, Nancy a little detail is I think she's
carrying an airman's purse. He rushes out, he grabs the
purse as if it's his own, and grabs her drags
her down the hallway. What is the difference between that
and a pimp on the street giving a twelve year
old a very small gift and then withdrawing it when
(34:02):
she doesn't obey him. This is slavery and sex trafficking
one oh one.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It just takes an unusual form bombshell in the trial
of Seawan Combs in court today evidence of a one
hundred thousand dollars bribe paid for the Cassie Ventira beat
down video. That wasn't the only witness on the stand,
Sydy Summer Crime Stories investigative reporter. Wasn't there a bookkeeper
for bad Boy Records that took the stand? That's correct.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Derek Ferguson, who was the former eas financial officer for
Sean Diddycomb's businesses, has been on the stand, and he
worked for Diddy for a very long time nineteen ninety
eight to twenty seventeen. So are you giving us a
rundown of how finances worked for that business? Who carried money?
(34:52):
It wasn't uncommon for staff to be handling large amounts
of cash back in the day, laying out exactly how
finances worked for Shawan Combe's businesses, saying that Shawn Colms
occasionally used company cards to charge personal charges and that
staff later went back and reconciled where exactly money needed
(35:15):
to shift from account to account to cover those charges.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Okay, hold on by ba ba ba ba wah, wait, wait, wait, Sydney.
As usual, you're giving me a ton of evidence. Let
me sift through because you know I like to go
through each line individually. Okay, Nimo Ramani. Did you hear
what Derek Ferguson's testifying to. It's Shawn Conne's former CFO
on the stand. You know he knows where the bodies
are buried. Did you hear what she just said? That
(35:41):
they would make these expenditures, say, let's say a thousand
dollars for baby oil and astro glide or one hundred
grand payoff, and then the accountant would have to figure
out how to shift funds, in other words, cook the
books to make it all sure to be business expenses.
(36:02):
That's what that is.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
That's absolutely what it is, Nancy. And this is consistent
with all the assistants what they've been testifying to. That
they had a lot of cash, and then when it
was something unlawful or something for the freak offs, they
would use that cash. And if it was something legitimate
like a meal, they would charge the credit card right
the business account. And look, even when comb's paid off,
(36:23):
Eddie Garcia, he told him, don't make any large purchases.
He knew that this was illegal, just like he paid
cash to the sex workers.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
He paid cash for the drugs.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
There's something wrong with cash, but usually nancy people use cash,
large amounts of it when they're engaged in illegal activity.
That's exactly what we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Here, isn't it true? Name of Romani that banks across
the country. When you make a ten thousand dollars withdrawal,
I mean or deposit, the bank says, wa, whoa, whoa,
Wait a minute, ten grand, ten grand and one dollar.
We've got to account for that. Are you a doper?
Because that's common that amount of cash used. Something's way wrong.
(37:07):
I have to dig around just to get out of
a parking deck. You know, I'm looking under the carpet
in the minivan who carries one hundred grand? Sean Combs,
Now listen to this, Ramiani Ferguson. You know the meek,
mild mannered account on the Standard Scribes properties comes on
in Miami, New York. The Hampton's executives are given American
(37:30):
Express cards for expenses, but the business relies on cash.
Many of the quote performers sex traffic workers requested cash
as payment. The bodyguards carried cash. That's what we're hearing
from Ferguson. See where I'm going with this. Hold On,
(37:52):
let me go to Robert Crispin. Crispin, when you raid
a doper, don't you get like any balls as I
call them, and you test that money. It's covered in
dope particles, money, cash, What does it mean?
Speaker 6 (38:08):
Stacks.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It's illegal.
Speaker 9 (38:09):
It's derived from the illegal proceeds of criminal activity. And
it's everywhere in a search warm, it's all over. It's
in the rooms, they're in safe They're in the.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Bad guy's pocket. Yeah, all over the place.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
My best friend, my best friend girl is a dope lawyer,
and she carries I don't know, six hundred dollars in
a ball in her sock whatever you know where that
came from. It's dope money. It's her legal fee from dopers. Now,
I mean, when I hear this, doctor Bethany Marshall, I'm
making poking fun at my friend carrying six hundred dollars
(38:50):
rolled up in her sock. It's dope money. My point
is this shows a nefarious nature. Right of course, the
thinking it through. I can't use my credit card, I
can't certainly write a check to what was his name,
the punisher, the sex worker, because that's wrong and I'll
get caught, so I have to pay in cash. It's
(39:14):
an age old method of hiding crime.
Speaker 8 (39:19):
You know, Nancy. And not just in this kind of
a criminal enterprise. But remember when Warren Chefs of the
FLDS cult was pulled over with all of his wives.
He had tons of cash and.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
He was headed to Las Vegas.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
This is so typical of these top heavy male enterprises
where they keep women under their thumb who then abuse
other women. There's always cash at the top.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And Nancy that escalade.
Speaker 8 (39:44):
Remember when Kid Cutty's car had a Molotov cocktail thrown
in it. That escalade was registered to bad Boy Records,
meaning he was paying for that escalade from business funds.
He was writing it off as a business expense. He
probably wrote one hundred thousand dollars off as a business expense. Hey,
(40:05):
the hotel where he was staying where he beat Cassie Ventura,
he paid for that was business funds. Are those freakoffs
business expenses? Of course not. That's a lot of shifting
money around that accountant had to do.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Oh what a tangled web we weave. When first we
practiced to deceive. You think the fans can't see through
all that money? Please? You remember in the Wizard of
oz Nima Romani when Dorothy throws the water on the
witch and she's I'm melting. That's what's happening right now?
(40:43):
Did he melting with this money evidence? Because everything else,
just like ray Ja the other day, please says it's
just domestic abuse, one hundred grand bribe, Molotov cocktail. Now
we're if you don't want to believe Ventura and Maya,
about the beatings, what about the arson? What about the bribe? Now,
(41:07):
this is some hard evidence that cannot be shaded with
the umbrella. Oh it's just a spat between a girlfriend
and a boyfriend. No, it's not. He's melting.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
Even if the jurors don't believe Cassie venture and they
believed that she was a willing participant in the freak offs,
that they were consensual, the Feds can still get a
conviction on Rico, with arson, with kidnapping, with bribery, with obstruction,
with witness tampering.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
There's many many paths to get there.
Speaker 5 (41:39):
That's why the Rico charge is so incredibly important. It
allows the FEDS and the Department of Justice to potentially
put Diddy away for life, even if the.
Speaker 6 (41:50):
Jurs don't believe the sex trafficking was forced or course.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
We remember now an American hero share of Andrew Clark
to Cab County, killed in the line of duty, survived
by grieving wife Jody and four beautiful children Brianna, Brooklyn, Alexavier,
and Chloe. American hero Sheriff Andrew Clark. Nancy Grace signing
(42:16):
off goodbye friend.
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