June 6, 2025 • 43 mins
This week ends with more explosive testimony in the government’s case against disgraced rap mogul Sean "Diddy" Combs.
Judge Arun Subramanian threatened to remove Combs from the courtroom during the lunch break before “Jane” testified, stating he saw Combs nodding at the jury twice while his attorneys cross-examined an earlier witness. The judge warned that any further attempts to influence jurors could lead to Combs being ejected.
Combs’ ex-girlfriend, testifying under the pseudonym “Jane,” broke down on the stand as she described drug-fueled sex marathons. She said Combs ignored her when she tried to stop and mocked her for crying after one encounter.
Bryana “Bana” Bongolan, a graphic designer and friend of Cassie Ventura who is also suing Combs, testified Wednesday that Combs once held her over a 17-story-high balcony at a Los Angeles high-rise for 10 to 15 seconds in 2016. She said the incident left her deeply traumatized.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He demanded you twenty four hours a day, seven days
a week. He could be really bullied. He could also
be very charming. It was really gruelsome. It wasn't a job,
it was it was a life. He took over your life.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
You had to have seen Diddy's face. He literally was like,
what is even happening right now?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
His jaw was on the ground.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's the legacy of Sean Combs. Are you kidding me?
What about all the women that we're hearing from, one
after the next after the next, woman of color that
has gotten a beating from Shawn Combs. No one seems
to hear that. Could you show him the shocks of
(00:50):
that gash on Caste?
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Such traffic busted.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Lit byway, you say, that's how you went all your cases.
You say, don't listen to that.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Look over here, black eyes bat lit, and I think
many of us watching here all feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I mean, justice for Cassie Nancy Bombshell. Tonight, tgif D,
Thank goodness it's Friday, Diddy, because this has been an
incredible week in the courtroom. I'm talking about that multi
count federal indictment against Shawn Combs being tried right now,
(01:31):
United States versus Shawn Comes and the Monahan Federal Courthouse
in Manhattan. Straight out to Lauren Colins standing by at
the courthouse, Lauren, what happened today Today?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
In court, we heard from the government cell phone expert,
the forensic expert who did the extractions on Cassie Venture's
cell phone. He talked about extracting a significant amount of
deleted data and why certain things would appear on the
screen in evidence as we're seeing it. So, for example,
a deleted text thread might not have certain users' names,
(02:05):
so we've seen blanks, we've seen duplicate names, and he
explained all of this away. After that, we heard testimony
from Jane Doe, who is victim three now. Jane Doe
described meeting Sean Combs early twenty twenty, and she met
him through a friend while they were on a girl's trip,
(02:26):
and she testified that this friend was once in a
relationship with Diddy, so she kind of kept her distance.
They exchanged numbers and from there they began a relationship
after her friend moved on, and.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
She actually talked about the fact that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
She was in a relationship with Sean Colmes from twenty twenty,
all the way up until his arrest. Now, Jane Doe
testified that the relationship truly started off as a fairy tale.
He took her away to Turks and Caicos and then
the Bahamas, but he also offered her ten thousand dollars
after this trip. He said, you know, I know that
you haven't been able to work while you're on this trip,
(03:03):
so here's some money. She talked about being a content creator,
so that was her main form of income. She's also
a single mother. And from there, the government kind of
started to ask, well, which cities did he take you too?
Did he pay you money often, to which she testified,
you know, he paid me money frequently. He ended up
paying her rent at some point, and eventually, about three
(03:24):
or four months into their relationship, that's when he brought
up being with another man. And he said this was
a fantasy, and she said, okay, she didn't think that
he was actually serious. Well, it turns out he was serious.
She went to the bathroom, and this was after they
had already been engaging in sexual activity for twelve to
fifteen hours prior. He goes and he calls someone he
(03:47):
knows named Don and arranges don for that very night,
and then she describes going to a hotel room that
night in Miami, corroborated the oil, the assistant setting it up,
and then said she engaged in this act with Dawn
while Didy watched again what we've heard before, and then
after that she said it was pretty much a door
(04:09):
that was opened that she couldn't close. She testified telling
him and writing numerous times that she didn't want to
be with other men. She wanted to be with him,
but because he was paying her rent, she felt obligated.
She said her only form of income, because she always
had to be constantly ready for Ditty, was Ditty's money
(04:30):
that he was sending to her and the child support
she was getting.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, okay, could you tell me how the jury was reacting?
Lauren Conlin.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The defense was actually admonished today when the judge warned
them that Ditty was actually looking at the jury and
kind of nodding his head during Nicole Westmoreland's cross examination
of Brianna Bongalin. Apparently he had gotten this warning before,
and the judge told the defense, if he does this again,
he will be removed moved from the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Joining me now a special guest, longtime friend and colleague
Rob Shooter. Rob was Shawn Combs is PR guru for years.
He no longer works for him, Thank goodness, or I'd
be grilling you even worse. Rob Shooter, host of Naughty
but Nice podcast that's at robshooter dot substack dot com.
(05:21):
Author of the foreword answer, Rob, I want to talk
about what Mia has been saying on the stand all
day and for several days, the fact that she lived
in fear. You know, I believe it was you that
first told me that Shawn Combs ordered somebody to go
get him a cheesecake at three o'clock in the morning,
and they did it. They found a place that was open,
(05:44):
they got the cheesecake and brought it back to Sean Combs.
It seems as if he was very imperious with his employees.
To the fact that Mia describes PTSD, that's what she's describing.
I've seen it in a lot of crime victims. Describe
what you witnessed.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
My time working with Diddy was extraordinary, Nancy. I've never
had a job, I've never experienced anything like that again,
and I've gone to work with stars even bigger than him.
It was really gruelsome. It wasn't a job, it was
it was a life. He took over your life. He
demanded you twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
(06:24):
He could be really bullying. He could also be very charming,
and so I understand everything that MIA's saying. It's heartbreaking
and it's an experience that very very few, thankfully we'll
ever know.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, I want to get back to these demands, because
if he could make a grown person get out of
bed at three am and traverse Manhattan to get him
a slice of cheesecake, and it had to be the
best cheesecake, it couldn't be any crap that could yet
down at the Dagstino's right, what could he make someone
(07:01):
like Mia do, who was already meek and mild and traumatized.
I mean, I want to hear what it was like.
You say it was a way of life. It was
your life. Why it was our lives?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Because we were young. He had picked people to work
with him that he could control. There was nobody on
his staff, including me, that was terribly experienced. It was
all about him. He carefully groomed us all, he carefully
selected us, all and if anybody came into his world
who said no, who was too experienced to move better,
(07:38):
they didn't. Last he was the ringmaster and we played
along in his.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Circus rob Shooter. You stated that Sean Holmes has a
very carefully choreographed personal image, and you told a story
about making the press move at a private airport. I
guess it was Teeterborough. So as they all filmed Sean
Combs pulling up, yet at first you didn't see the
(08:03):
private plane, and he was so angry. He actually single
handily made all the press move where they were standing
so he could re enter teterborow so when he got
out of his suv you could see the private plane
behind him.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Describe Yeah, absolutely true. I was on the tarmac. The
press was lined up waiting for him, everybody from national
shows to local press. And he drove up in his
car and he realized they were shooting this ugly airport
terminal behind him, and he wanted a shot of this
very very expensive private plane. So what he did is
(08:43):
he left, he restaged his entrance. We spun the press
around and we had to go down that line, Nancy
and make sure every member of the press who were
videoing deleted their original footage, so we did not leave
this to chance. It was something that he had thought of.
(09:03):
I wouldn't have thought about this, but he told me
make sure they're all deleted the footage. I don't want.
I don't want to give them the choice of deciding
which footage to use. They'll use the one that I
give them.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So he got an entire fleet of the media to
change their positions and delete video. I'm making a point.
Listen to this, Shooter.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Brian Steele shows me a birthday shout out from Comb's
caption beside every great man is a great woman. PS. Sorry,
I was acting crazy last night. Mia says Combs had
threatened her life on a phone call the night before,
and she took this as his apology. Steele asks if
she reposted the message despite the seriousness of the threat,
and Mia responds, of course, reading off her profusely thankful caption. Thanks, Poff,
(09:50):
love you. You've shown me the world.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So you're hearing Rob Shooter the posts that Mia is
making about a birthday wish, and then she gets cross
examined about wishing Sean Holmes's happy birthday on a post.
Now I have seen rape victims go along to get along,
whether he was in your employer forcing sex on you, husband, partner,
(10:19):
I'm judge, and you don't want to make waves in
the courthouse, so you put up with it and you
just keep going. But he's really tearing her up on
the stand about this shoot or what do you make
of it?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
You know him? Yeah? I think this is directed by Diddy.
I think Puff is running this entire trial. He's telling
his lawyers what to do, which might be a mistake,
but his ego is very, very big and news flashy
and Nancy, it is possible to think love a monster.
A person can be a terrible person and you can
(10:53):
still have feelings towards them, And I think that's a
mistake here that did he is making. I think people
know the difference. And just because I post something a
birthday message, something kind towards you, does it mean you
can't also be a terrible human being?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Rob Shooter. Are you surprised that Sean Combs has been
able to keep so many alleged victims quiet for so long?
We've seen multiple civil lawsuits occur after Cassie Ventura came out,
and we are asking the wrong questions we're saying, why
(11:30):
are you suing him for money? You're in it just
for the money, Cassie, Ventura or Mia, instead of asking
the question, why is Sean Combe's paying millions and millions
of dollars to keep these victims quiet? Why do you
think so many victims have gone unheard until now? Maybe
(11:52):
because of what we see happening to Mia on the stand.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think there's going to be that We've seen.
There's a long history of this money, power, fame are
all really intoxicating. If you can't bully them with your fame,
then you throw money at the problems. And I think
we have to be honest here. The tape of Cassie
changed everything. Woulce that videotape existed, Nancy. We saw what
(12:16):
happened when somebody tried to leave. We saw Cassie running
down a hallway, She's trying to get away from him,
and look what happened to her. That's why people didn't leave.
It wasn't just the money, wasn't just the fame, wasn't
just the power, Nancy, it was the violence.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Joining me right now Entertainment, legal fear commentator, host podcast
The armand Wiggans show. Arman, we're going thank you for
being with us. What's your takeaway from today Friday in
the courtroom?
Speaker 7 (12:47):
Thanks for asking Nancy, So for me, the biggest takeaway, honestly,
it is just the fact that he didn't love that
girl like she loved him. At the end of the day,
I think that she was looking for a relationship. She
was looking or a boyfriend. She was looking for a husband,
she was looking for a lover. She keep re in
she kept reiterating that she was doing things for her lover.
(13:08):
She was doing things for her partner. She was doing
things for her man. She would bathe him after they
would have these hotel nights. She would cook for him,
after they do these hotel nights. She would put on
his favorite TV shows. After she would do this hotel nights,
and she would do majority of all the work in
these hotel nights, and at the end of the night
she would finally get to have some alone time with Diddy.
(13:32):
I think that at the end of the day, she
wanted a relationship. She wanted a husband. He didn't want that.
He wanted a freak off partner. He wanted a sex slave,
and he wanted to get his freaky fetishes off with
her through other men.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Arman, I'm curious, what do you think was the strongest
evidence for the state this past week in the case
against strong Comes.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Right now as of the break strongest evidence so far
for me was a video audio recording. So there actually
was a video, but they played the audio of where
there was a hookup night at a at the Hotel
Nights where Diddy, Jane Doe, and one of the male
escorts was there and Jane Doe was wanting to put
(14:20):
on a condom and Diddy was saying, no, you've already
been taking that, d why do you want a condom now? So,
I think that was the first time we actually got
to hear some actual hotel night freak off information. And
so to hear her asking for condoms and Diddy not
(14:41):
wanting her to actually use the condom was very powerful
because it goes to the fact that hey, he didn't
want me to use these condoms, and I didn't use
the condoms because I just wanted to make my partner happy.
And you could hear Diddy in the back saying, just
let's get to it, let's keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Sean Comes aka did he allegedly paid off an employee
to the tune of one hundred thousand dollars to get
that Cassie Ventura video. Let's take a look at the
Cassie Ventura beat down video. Now, it was speculated upon
(15:19):
so much in the press. Where did the video come from?
Did it come from the raid on? Did he's mansion?
Did he have it there? Where did it come from? Wow,
you wonder why he paid one hundred thousand dollars. Did
he think it would never come to light? Busted in
(15:42):
court sworn testimony that Shawn Holmes paid one hundred thousand
dollars to get his mits on this video. And this
video was like pulling the tiger by the tail. You
can't hold on and you can't let go. Because once
the saw this, they had to do something. The statute
(16:04):
of limitations had run in the local jurisdiction, so it
was up to the Feds and what were they gonna do?
Stand there with their thumb up their ear end? No,
they had to act er go. Therefore the multi count
federal indictment. What was Sean Comes's reaction typically when he
doesn't get his way, Because in court, when he was
(16:28):
watching Brian Steel who's a very very good trial lawyer.
It's a great defense attorney, right, I've watched him in action.
So Steele started off with Mia with the Andy and
Mayberry approach, trying to get the answers, but yet being
genial to her. He didn't want to beat up on Mia.
And you could see Sean Kin's going uh uhh, moving
(16:51):
around and twisting around and holding his face and all that.
I mean, the dream could see him. And then suddenly
Brian Steele has a change of heart. You can imagine
if he if Diddy is driving, is steering that ship,
then he gets really mean to Meya still does so
did he not getting what he wants? Can you imagine
(17:13):
how angry he was when he finds out that was
a hundred thousand dollars right down the crapper there was
another copy.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, I'm sure he was absolutely furious. Let me tell
you a little bit of a secret here about Puffey.
But somebody with all the money that he has is
incredibly cheap. He never wanted to pay for anything he
didn't have to pay for. He wanted to get free clothes,
free dinners, free tickets if he went at a club's restaurants,
(17:43):
he just didn't want to pay for stuff, and so
for him to have to reach into his own pocket
and pay one hundred thousand dollars, which I think that
tape is incredibly cheap. That tape is going to change
his life, and so it was worth tens of millions
of dollars. For him to get it for one hundred
thousand dollar is cheap. And then to find out he
didn't get it all there was another copy. He will
(18:06):
have exploded.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I'm just imagining when Shawn comes finds out there's another
video floating around. Robert Crispins joining me private investigator was
with former Federal Task Force officer for the US Department
of Justice in the Miami Field Division. They're not sitting
(18:29):
around twiddling their thumbs. Former homicide Crimes against Children investigator.
He is now at Crispin Investigations dot com. Crispin, don't
you just hate it when you blackmail somebody to the
team of one hundred grand and there's another video floating
around ret row?
Speaker 8 (18:47):
I mean, really, come on, think about it. Do you
really think that no one else was going to have
a video of dittying kicking the hell out of somebody,
especially Cassie Ventura, come on time. So here's the beauty
of all this with the government, this cast of guard
letter stuff, this King for a day, Queen for a day.
(19:09):
They need people to give testimony. I lure being indicted
to say what happened?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Standing by his investigative reporter Lauren Conlins. He's been in
the courtroom all day long, star off Pop Crime TV.
What a bomb, a state bomb for the defense drut
right in the middle of that clatch of lawyers one
hundred thousand dollars Diddybucks paid off for bribery. Bribery which,
(19:39):
as Romani pointed out, is a predicate at you have
to have an underlying felony or predicate act to prove Rico,
tell me how that went over in the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yes, Nancy, we started off by getting a really big
interruption by a woman that works for the MTA. The
entire courtroom turned around is before Eddie Garcia, the witness,
walked in. But that was quite a moment. She was
screaming at the press, saying that the press is awful
and the press is laughing at Ditty, And you should
have seen Ditty's face as well as everyone in the courtroom.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
We were all in shock.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
But back to Eddie Garcia, I mean, this testimony was
incredibly important to this case, as you know. He testified
that he received multiple calls from Christina Porum, Ditty's assistant
before she eventually passed the phone over to Sean Colmes himself.
Eddie Garcia described talking to him saying, you know, look,
I already told your assistant here, but I don't have
(20:35):
any clearance to obtain this video that you want me
to obtain.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I cannot go in this room. Only my boss can
do that.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And he described did He kind of just buttering him up, saying,
you know, I know you can do it, Eddie, I
believe in.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
You type of thing.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And he also described Didty as being very nervous seeming
on the phone saying, look, this could destroy my reputation
if it gets out. Now he said, okay, you know,
I'll talk to my boss, et cetera. And this was
actually after receiving a call from Diddy and Christina on
his cell phone. They started off by calling him at
the general security desk. They somehow got his cell phone,
(21:12):
which he said did make him a little bit nervous,
and he said that, you know, he talked to his
boss and he said, look, this is what's going on.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
They want this.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Video, and his boss said, okay, tell him fifty thousand dollars.
They make this meeting happen where Diddy tells him a
meeting place. He goes and gets this black USB from
his boss at the Intercontinental, and he goes and he
meets with Diddy, and he describes being taken up to
this room by one of Ditty's security guards. He meets
(21:41):
with Christina Korum and then eventually Diddy, and he says
that after some back and forth, did he requested the
IDs of Eddie Garcia and his boss and another gentleman.
And one of the first testimonies we heard, I think
it actually was the first one was Israel Flores, who
also was on duty day. But Eddie Garcia said, I
(22:02):
don't think that Israel Flores is going to go for this.
So they got the idea of somebody else and they
texted these to him.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
He went in another room, came back, got an NDA.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Eddie Garcia had to sign this this NDA, and then
eventually did He came back with a brown bag of
money and a money counter and he did not get
fifty thousand dollars. He got one hundred thousand dollars. And
he also said that about two weeks later it was easter.
Did he called him again to check in, saying, Eddie,
my angel, you know, how are you have you heard
(22:33):
anything or anybody mentioned this video at all?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
And he said no, and that was that.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace. Could you tell me what
this reaction in the courtroom when it came out from
not one but two witnesses that come had bribed one
hundred thousand dollars to get that video.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I'd say today the jury is much more reserved than
they were while listening to Mia. I mean, this is
important testimony, so they are listening intently. I would say
their heads kind of go back and forth between the
lawyer and the witness, you know appropriately, and they look
at the documents that they're reading. They we saw multiple
(23:28):
times the NDA on the screen and these jurors they
were reading it.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
They wanted to catch every word here.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
You know, I'm very curious to doctor Bethany Marshall joining
us psychoanalyst out of la and author, doctor Bethany to
hear what she's saying. What Lauren Colin is stating to
finally be hit with reality that you've been uncovered in
(23:55):
a bribe. And what's so important about the bribe not
just bribery on it own, but it serves as a
required underlying felony to show Rico. And you know Sean
Combs knows that, and it's just pouring from the witness stand.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
Well, you know, he can beat down Cassie Ventura, but
he can't beat down the prosecution. He cannot beat down
the fence. And this is the telling moment for him.
I wish I had like a monitor to rate his
to measure his perspiration rate, his heart rate, to see
what he's really going through. I bet he's flooded right now.
(24:36):
I bet he's enraged. Like Rob Shooter talked about the
veins bulging out, he is probably enraged. He doesn't feel guilty,
he doesn't feel worried, Nancy. He is mad and he's
not going to be able to get away with this
once he's incarcerated. He's going to have plenty of incidents
when he's called on bad behavior and there's nothing he's
(24:59):
going to be able to do about it. You can't
buy your way out of it once you're incarcerated. And
this interaction about the one hundred thousand dollars bribe. You know,
this is just one iteration of many incidentss where he's
bought people off.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
what we know now, it has been a long day
in the courtroom. Straight out to Harmonia of Rodriguez. She
is the chief US reporter with dailymail dot com podcast
titled The Trial of Ditty, in which she starts her
money and thank you for being with us. First thing
(25:38):
this morning, we saw a videographer expert on the stand.
What was the point right today?
Speaker 10 (25:47):
First thing in the morning, a video expert, his name
is Frank Piazza, took the stand for the prosecution and
he said he analyzed cell phone footage, surveillance footage and
also sex videos. On the stand, he's based giving these
videos legitimacy because as we know Diddy's attorneys, particularly with
the La Assault twenty sixteen video, they have suggested and
(26:10):
put the idea out there that these videos have been
edited by CNN, they have been sped up. So this
expert was basically there to tell the jury this videos
are legitimate, they have not been messed with and you
should trust them essentially, you.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Know from the get go straight out to Greg Morse,
joining US veteran criminal defense attorney. He is the lead
partner at Morse Legal and author of the Untested on Amazon.
Greg Morse, I believe there was a time that you
suggested that the freak Off videos were a myth, that
(26:46):
they were lore, that they didn't exist. Well, buckle your
seat belt because this expert on the stand that Harmonia
just described is laying the foundation. What does that mean?
Whatever you bring in a video, an audio recording, really
any piece of physical evidence at allbeit drugs or a
(27:07):
picture or an article of clothing, you have to lay
the foundation. I can't just go in and go hey, judge,
can I bring in these notes? No, you have to say.
You have to have a witness under oath to say
what is the object? What is the exhibit? Where did
it come from? What's the chain of custody? I haven't
been leaving it out on Third Avenue in downtown Manhattan
(27:30):
where anybody could change it. You've got to show that
it has been tampered with and the chain of custody,
who's held it, who's been in charge of it, is complete.
There's not a break in the chain and what it
purports to be that gives the other side a chance
to object on any of those grounds. So it's happening, Morse.
(27:51):
This is the beginning of the admission into evidence of
the freak off tapes, which you at one time said
was just a miss. They didn't really exist, as if
it didn't happen, Yes you did.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Well, okay, they can introduce the free call videos. Again,
it doesn't mean sex trafficking and Rico happened here and
testimony yesterday shows that from victim number two, So they
can introduce these videos. A lot of people want to
keep their sex life private. Doctors, lawyers, famous people. These
(28:24):
things are not doesn't move the needle to sex trafficking yet,
So they can introduce all the videos they want. But
their core of their indictment is centered around the domestic
abuse video where miss Ventur is being beaten in that
hotel lobby or hallway by P Diddy. But so the
freak call videos are going to come in. When are
(28:45):
we're going to hear about young people? Whenever we're going
to hear about drugged people.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing.
First of all, you said, I don't know if these
freecalls really happened, and if they did happen, they're not
a video. Now we've heard testimony about the free coughs,
and we're laying the foundation right now. The state is
to introduce those freak of videos. Didn't you just hear
(29:10):
Harmonia Rodriguez say this expert says he is an expert
in is going to address cell phone videos, surveillance videos,
that's the Intercontinental beat down, and sex tapes. What other
sex tape? It's got to be the freak coughs. They're
coming in to evidence and from what I understand, straight
(29:31):
out to Sidney Summer joining US Crime Stories, investigative reporter
on the case from the beginning, like Harmonia, Sidney, these
are not all consenting adults in engaging in an orgy
or group sex. I guess the new term would be polyamorous.
That's not what the state is alleging, Sydney.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
What we know, Nancy. They're alleging that these women or
men or all participants who may or may not have
been adults. We've seen many minor allegations come out in lawsuits,
but SDNY is not specifically arguing that COM's targeted miners anyways,
(30:15):
The state, the government is claiming that these victims were
coerced in one way, shape or another, whether that was
by financial control, blackmail, the threat or follow through of
physical violence. Holmes used cowardon to get what he wanted
(30:35):
to get, these sex parties, these freak offs. This was
not something that somebody wanted and actively was interested in doing.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I mean, Greg Morse, I don't know, are you deaf,
dumb and blind? Didn't you hear the testimony that when
Cassie Venturro was getting beaten in the hallway of the
Intercontinental and dragged back, it was dragged back to a
room where she was being coerced into having sex with
a sex worker, and she was trying to run away.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
You're making up testimony. You're making up testimony. All you're
doing is making up testimony. I I'm right, That's what
I am. Because so far the prosecution hasn't produced any
testimony that says victim number one or victim number two
were coerced or forced or through fraud. This is you know,
people made choices in this situation from their own mouth.
(31:30):
Miss Ventura testified from her own mouth. Yeah, I didn't
always like the freak offs. But I did them. You
had another witness, Okay, Miss Ventura paid me for the
freak off. Again, things are being shoved in under a
criminal indictment to things that people do. We may look
at it and say, I would never do that, I
(31:50):
would never.
Speaker 10 (31:51):
Want to be involved in that.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
But the edge, Sidney sum are joining us from crime stories, Sydney.
Isn't it true? They cast even to your test to
find that she was being dragged back to the room
and what was happening in the room number one and
number two? Isn't it true When the security guard who
we see in the video went back to the room,
(32:13):
he sees another guy in there. That's the sex worker.
Speaker 11 (32:17):
That's correct, Nancy. So that's what we heard from Israel,
Flores and Caafy about that situation. Mores claimed that there
was another man in the room and he didn't make
any note of that man being in the room because
he was not directly involved in Sean Combe's and Cathy's altercation,
so he left that out of his incident reports about
(32:38):
the situation because he was irrelevant at the time. But
now coming back to testimony, combined with what Cathy Ventura
said on the stand. That becomes incredibly important because it
backs up the fact that she said she was running
away from a free.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Boby Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. So, Morris, do you
think Sidney Sumner she doesn't have a dog in the fight,
no skin in the game. You think she's lying so to.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Gives inconsistent statements. There's a conflict in the evidence, clearly
because she said it was consensual many times, and when
the jury is charged at the end of it still
told Nancy. You know they're going to be told what
reasonable doubt is conflict in the evidence?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yes, I know that, but I also know's testimony. You
know what pat is mine. I can't take it anymore. Well.
Seawan comes, his family prepares their documentary to air after
the verdict, and his enablers prepare his comeback tour when
(33:51):
he is found not guilty according to them, not according
to me. A lot of people have been did he
THI joining me is a special guest's armand Wiggins Entertainment
legal affairs commentator hosts a podcast, The armand Wiggins Show,
And I want you to see what happened to him
(34:12):
outside the courthouse.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Oh okay, not down that.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
This is crazy. Okay, that's from our friends at TMZ
Harvey eleven. You know, armand Wiggins. Please don't like because
you never know when somebody comes up to you on
the street starts screaming at you, whether they are high
on meth, whether they have a gun. So you know
(34:42):
what next time, please just don't engage, don't be the hero,
just say thank you and walk away. But yet you
engaged armand Wiggins. What was she screaming?
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Honestly, she just was trying to go viral. She was screaming,
let's go via. She was saying a bunch of flagrant
obscenities to me, and I think it was just because
she saw me going live. This court, this case has
has become a zoo and a breeding ground for all
walks of life, and people are just coming. They're trying
to get their piece of the moment, their piece of
the viral moment, and just shouting out and making stuff up.
(35:19):
So there was a woman that got put out of
the courtroom. This woman was heckling. So it was actually
I didn't even know who this woman was. She just
saw me on live camera. She figured, okay, this is
a content creator. He goes viral firs Diddy News and
let me go and trash him in his live feed
and hopefully I'll make the news.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
A lot of people are well, they've been ditified, and
without knowing any of the evidence, or ignoring the little
bit of evidence they do know, they're convinced the Shaw
Comes is innocent. You know, I got into it with
Ray j again, but I want you to hear you
mentioned a woman that got dragged out of court by
(35:58):
armed guards. Well, listen to her, Diddy.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Everyone thinks this as a joke, laughing at black man
legacy being destroyed.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
Everyone has been laughing.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I don't care if it sounded funny.
Speaker 11 (36:12):
It's not funny.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
No, it's not funny for women to get beaten, raped, drugged,
dragged over and over and over. And it's not just
one woman. It's not just Cass even Tira. It's one
after the next, after the next. That was from our
friends at BBC on TikTok. Back to you, Arman Wiggins
(36:37):
who was assaulted outside of the courthouse. I just heard
her talking about the legacy of Sean Comes and wrapping
it into the legacy of black men that they should
not be wrongfully attacked. What about black women? What about them?
(37:01):
Do they not matter in the black legacy? What about them?
What about all the women that we're hearing from, What
about Capricorn Clark? What about one after the next after
the next woman of color that has gotten a beating
(37:23):
from Sean Combs? And do you know how close it
was for this woman hanging off a balcony by high
on something Shawn Combs? But yet no one seems to
hear that. What about these women at the legacy of
(37:45):
Seawan Combs? Are you kidding me? It sounds like exactly
what ray J and I were arguing about on TMZ.
You're saying the same thing, He's not crazy.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
Well, you know, ray J was mentioned in the court
documents Cassie's drug dealer too yesterday, so there might be
some affiliation there. But you know, I talked to ray J.
Raj said they had nothing to do with him, and
he's not sure why Diddy's team is mentioning him. I
don't know what that relationship is. But in regards to
the women, I think that the prosecution is doing a
(38:16):
great job because one thing that we cannot get around
is whenever they played that video and when they got
into that forensic audio and video, and you saw Cassie
being yoked up and dragged. I don't care what you're
talking about as far as Diddy's legacy. You have a heart,
you have an emotion, and you feel every blow, every kick,
and so I think that everybody in that room, man, woman, child,
(38:38):
they felt that. And there's no way that he's getting
around that. And the prosecution make sure every day they
played that video just in case you may have forgotten
what we're really here for.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Philip Debay is joining me veteran trial lawyer out of
the LA jurisdiction. Debay, we're saying a whole another animal
right now. We've heard about beatings and draggings and yanking
people by their hair and kicking them, and that's something
that a lot of people see, whether it's in the movies,
(39:16):
whether they've seen it in real life. But dangling someone
off a seventeenth floor balcony, that's a whole nother thing
that really can't be made.
Speaker 12 (39:29):
Up, No, of course not. But how I would play
it if I were his counsel is, like you said earlier,
is it real or is it just real testimony? Because
if you remember, it came out that she was hooked
on ketamine and all kinds of other drugs that are
various types of anesthetics that put you in a trance
(39:50):
like state, almost in a twilight state. So who really
knows what, if anything, she accurately members and it is not.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
See, Cassie, we're doing drugs. Where do you think they
got those drugs?
Speaker 12 (40:02):
Debate, Let's give them that, let's pretend, let's really pretend
he was applying them with dope. It is not his
mo to be defenestrating people. It's just simply not the case.
But I think for him better yet, is that just
because he is in a respondiat superior mob boss, he
(40:25):
can be acting in his individual maniacal capacity unmedicated that
does not fall under RICO. It falls under state crimes,
and the statutes of limitation have run. So what the
Feds are doing is they're using RICO as an end
run around the state statutal limitations that local DA's blue.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
You know, the more the defense objects to any particular
line of questioning, the more sensitive it is. Right, the
more you scream at the dentist office is because that's
the more it hurts right there on that particular tooth
and they went after this witness tooth and nail to
Lauren Klan. There was quite quite a cross examination of
(41:09):
her on the stand.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
What happened during Nicole Westmoreland's cross examination of Rihanna Bongolan.
She also got her to say that after a week
after the alleged balcony incident, Rihanna was going to private
parties with Sean Colmes and she was actually texting back
and forth with Passy a few days later about having
a sleepover. So Wes Morland said to her, you know,
(41:34):
this horrible thing happened to you, and a week later
you're willing.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
To go back and have a sleepover.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
And Bongolan just said, I guess so, And there was
some tense moments.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Because of her original civil suit, she did fire her attorney,
Tyrone Blackburn.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
He came up a number of times.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Today because she said that he kind of misinterpreted what
she said and alleged some kind of sexual assault happened
or did he grope her when lifting her up as
he allegedly dangled her.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
And Wes Moreland said.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Well, you know you fired Blackburn, but you still perpetuated
this lie. So to speak with your other attorneys in
that lawsuit and your new updated lawsuit as well, did
you not, And you know, she kind of said, well,
I didn't write all of that in the new lawsuit.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
My attorneys did.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
So it was just a lot of back and forth
about that and very tense. I'm not going to say
it was hostile, but it was uncomfortable and it was aggressive.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
And now, wait, remember an American hero, officer Helen Smith,
North Carolina Department Public Safety, passed away in the line
of duty, survived by grieving husband Tony and children Andrew
and Samantha sentenced to life without their mother. American here
(43:01):
correctional Officer Helen Smith. Thank you to our guests for
being with us, but especially to you from being with
us tonight and every night. Nancy Grace signing off, I'll
see you tomorrow night six and nine o'clock sharp Eastern end.
Until then, good night, ri
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He demanded you twenty four hours a day, seven days
a week. He could be really bullied. He could also
be very charming. It was really gruelsome. It wasn't a job,
it was it was a life. He took over your life.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
You had to have seen Diddy's face. He literally was like,
what is even happening right now?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
His jaw was on the ground.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's the legacy of Sean Combs. Are you kidding me?
What about all the women that we're hearing from, one
after the next after the next, woman of color that
has gotten a beating from Shawn Combs. No one seems
to hear that. Could you show him the shocks of
(00:50):
that gash on Caste?
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Such traffic busted.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Lit byway, you say, that's how you went all your cases.
You say, don't listen to that.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Look over here, black eyes bat lit, and I think
many of us watching here all feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I mean, justice for Cassie Nancy Bombshell. Tonight, tgif D,
Thank goodness it's Friday, Diddy, because this has been an
incredible week in the courtroom. I'm talking about that multi
count federal indictment against Shawn Combs being tried right now,
(01:31):
United States versus Shawn Comes and the Monahan Federal Courthouse
in Manhattan. Straight out to Lauren Colins standing by at
the courthouse, Lauren, what happened today Today?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
In court, we heard from the government cell phone expert,
the forensic expert who did the extractions on Cassie Venture's
cell phone. He talked about extracting a significant amount of
deleted data and why certain things would appear on the
screen in evidence as we're seeing it. So, for example,
a deleted text thread might not have certain users' names,
(02:05):
so we've seen blanks, we've seen duplicate names, and he
explained all of this away. After that, we heard testimony
from Jane Doe, who is victim three now. Jane Doe
described meeting Sean Combs early twenty twenty, and she met
him through a friend while they were on a girl's trip,
(02:26):
and she testified that this friend was once in a
relationship with Diddy, so she kind of kept her distance.
They exchanged numbers and from there they began a relationship
after her friend moved on, and.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
She actually talked about the fact that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
She was in a relationship with Sean Colmes from twenty twenty,
all the way up until his arrest. Now, Jane Doe
testified that the relationship truly started off as a fairy tale.
He took her away to Turks and Caicos and then
the Bahamas, but he also offered her ten thousand dollars
after this trip. He said, you know, I know that
you haven't been able to work while you're on this trip,
(03:03):
so here's some money. She talked about being a content creator,
so that was her main form of income. She's also
a single mother. And from there, the government kind of
started to ask, well, which cities did he take you too?
Did he pay you money often, to which she testified,
you know, he paid me money frequently. He ended up
paying her rent at some point, and eventually, about three
(03:24):
or four months into their relationship, that's when he brought
up being with another man. And he said this was
a fantasy, and she said, okay, she didn't think that
he was actually serious. Well, it turns out he was serious.
She went to the bathroom, and this was after they
had already been engaging in sexual activity for twelve to
fifteen hours prior. He goes and he calls someone he
(03:47):
knows named Don and arranges don for that very night,
and then she describes going to a hotel room that
night in Miami, corroborated the oil, the assistant setting it up,
and then said she engaged in this act with Dawn
while Didy watched again what we've heard before, and then
after that she said it was pretty much a door
(04:09):
that was opened that she couldn't close. She testified telling
him and writing numerous times that she didn't want to
be with other men. She wanted to be with him,
but because he was paying her rent, she felt obligated.
She said her only form of income, because she always
had to be constantly ready for Ditty, was Ditty's money
(04:30):
that he was sending to her and the child support
she was getting.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, okay, could you tell me how the jury was reacting?
Lauren Conlin.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The defense was actually admonished today when the judge warned
them that Ditty was actually looking at the jury and
kind of nodding his head during Nicole Westmoreland's cross examination
of Brianna Bongalin. Apparently he had gotten this warning before,
and the judge told the defense, if he does this again,
he will be removed moved from the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Joining me now a special guest, longtime friend and colleague
Rob Shooter. Rob was Shawn Combs is PR guru for years.
He no longer works for him, Thank goodness, or I'd
be grilling you even worse. Rob Shooter, host of Naughty
but Nice podcast that's at robshooter dot substack dot com.
(05:21):
Author of the foreword answer, Rob, I want to talk
about what Mia has been saying on the stand all
day and for several days, the fact that she lived
in fear. You know, I believe it was you that
first told me that Shawn Combs ordered somebody to go
get him a cheesecake at three o'clock in the morning,
and they did it. They found a place that was open,
(05:44):
they got the cheesecake and brought it back to Sean Combs.
It seems as if he was very imperious with his employees.
To the fact that Mia describes PTSD, that's what she's describing.
I've seen it in a lot of crime victims. Describe
what you witnessed.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
My time working with Diddy was extraordinary, Nancy. I've never
had a job, I've never experienced anything like that again,
and I've gone to work with stars even bigger than him.
It was really gruelsome. It wasn't a job, it was
it was a life. He took over your life. He
demanded you twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
(06:24):
He could be really bullying. He could also be very charming,
and so I understand everything that MIA's saying. It's heartbreaking
and it's an experience that very very few, thankfully we'll
ever know.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, I want to get back to these demands, because
if he could make a grown person get out of
bed at three am and traverse Manhattan to get him
a slice of cheesecake, and it had to be the
best cheesecake, it couldn't be any crap that could yet
down at the Dagstino's right, what could he make someone
(07:01):
like Mia do, who was already meek and mild and traumatized.
I mean, I want to hear what it was like.
You say it was a way of life. It was
your life. Why it was our lives?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Because we were young. He had picked people to work
with him that he could control. There was nobody on
his staff, including me, that was terribly experienced. It was
all about him. He carefully groomed us all, he carefully
selected us, all and if anybody came into his world
who said no, who was too experienced to move better,
(07:38):
they didn't. Last he was the ringmaster and we played
along in his.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Circus rob Shooter. You stated that Sean Holmes has a
very carefully choreographed personal image, and you told a story
about making the press move at a private airport. I
guess it was Teeterborough. So as they all filmed Sean
Combs pulling up, yet at first you didn't see the
(08:03):
private plane, and he was so angry. He actually single
handily made all the press move where they were standing
so he could re enter teterborow so when he got
out of his suv you could see the private plane
behind him.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Describe Yeah, absolutely true. I was on the tarmac. The
press was lined up waiting for him, everybody from national
shows to local press. And he drove up in his
car and he realized they were shooting this ugly airport
terminal behind him, and he wanted a shot of this
very very expensive private plane. So what he did is
(08:43):
he left, he restaged his entrance. We spun the press
around and we had to go down that line, Nancy
and make sure every member of the press who were
videoing deleted their original footage, so we did not leave
this to chance. It was something that he had thought of.
(09:03):
I wouldn't have thought about this, but he told me
make sure they're all deleted the footage. I don't want.
I don't want to give them the choice of deciding
which footage to use. They'll use the one that I
give them.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So he got an entire fleet of the media to
change their positions and delete video. I'm making a point.
Listen to this, Shooter.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Brian Steele shows me a birthday shout out from Comb's
caption beside every great man is a great woman. PS. Sorry,
I was acting crazy last night. Mia says Combs had
threatened her life on a phone call the night before,
and she took this as his apology. Steele asks if
she reposted the message despite the seriousness of the threat,
and Mia responds, of course, reading off her profusely thankful caption. Thanks, Poff,
(09:50):
love you. You've shown me the world.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So you're hearing Rob Shooter the posts that Mia is
making about a birthday wish, and then she gets cross
examined about wishing Sean Holmes's happy birthday on a post.
Now I have seen rape victims go along to get along,
whether he was in your employer forcing sex on you, husband, partner,
(10:19):
I'm judge, and you don't want to make waves in
the courthouse, so you put up with it and you
just keep going. But he's really tearing her up on
the stand about this shoot or what do you make
of it?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
You know him? Yeah? I think this is directed by Diddy.
I think Puff is running this entire trial. He's telling
his lawyers what to do, which might be a mistake,
but his ego is very, very big and news flashy
and Nancy, it is possible to think love a monster.
A person can be a terrible person and you can
(10:53):
still have feelings towards them, And I think that's a
mistake here that did he is making. I think people
know the difference. And just because I post something a
birthday message, something kind towards you, does it mean you
can't also be a terrible human being?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Rob Shooter. Are you surprised that Sean Combs has been
able to keep so many alleged victims quiet for so long?
We've seen multiple civil lawsuits occur after Cassie Ventura came out,
and we are asking the wrong questions we're saying, why
(11:30):
are you suing him for money? You're in it just
for the money, Cassie, Ventura or Mia, instead of asking
the question, why is Sean Combe's paying millions and millions
of dollars to keep these victims quiet? Why do you
think so many victims have gone unheard until now? Maybe
(11:52):
because of what we see happening to Mia on the stand.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think there's going to be that We've seen.
There's a long history of this money, power, fame are
all really intoxicating. If you can't bully them with your fame,
then you throw money at the problems. And I think
we have to be honest here. The tape of Cassie
changed everything. Woulce that videotape existed, Nancy. We saw what
(12:16):
happened when somebody tried to leave. We saw Cassie running
down a hallway, She's trying to get away from him,
and look what happened to her. That's why people didn't leave.
It wasn't just the money, wasn't just the fame, wasn't
just the power, Nancy, it was the violence.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Joining me right now Entertainment, legal fear commentator, host podcast
The armand Wiggans show. Arman, we're going thank you for
being with us. What's your takeaway from today Friday in
the courtroom?
Speaker 7 (12:47):
Thanks for asking Nancy, So for me, the biggest takeaway, honestly,
it is just the fact that he didn't love that
girl like she loved him. At the end of the day,
I think that she was looking for a relationship. She
was looking or a boyfriend. She was looking for a husband,
she was looking for a lover. She keep re in
she kept reiterating that she was doing things for her lover.
(13:08):
She was doing things for her partner. She was doing
things for her man. She would bathe him after they
would have these hotel nights. She would cook for him,
after they do these hotel nights. She would put on
his favorite TV shows. After she would do this hotel nights,
and she would do majority of all the work in
these hotel nights, and at the end of the night
she would finally get to have some alone time with Diddy.
(13:32):
I think that at the end of the day, she
wanted a relationship. She wanted a husband. He didn't want that.
He wanted a freak off partner. He wanted a sex slave,
and he wanted to get his freaky fetishes off with
her through other men.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Arman, I'm curious, what do you think was the strongest
evidence for the state this past week in the case
against strong Comes.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Right now as of the break strongest evidence so far
for me was a video audio recording. So there actually
was a video, but they played the audio of where
there was a hookup night at a at the Hotel
Nights where Diddy, Jane Doe, and one of the male
escorts was there and Jane Doe was wanting to put
(14:20):
on a condom and Diddy was saying, no, you've already
been taking that, d why do you want a condom now? So,
I think that was the first time we actually got
to hear some actual hotel night freak off information. And
so to hear her asking for condoms and Diddy not
(14:41):
wanting her to actually use the condom was very powerful
because it goes to the fact that hey, he didn't
want me to use these condoms, and I didn't use
the condoms because I just wanted to make my partner happy.
And you could hear Diddy in the back saying, just
let's get to it, let's keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Sean Comes aka did he allegedly paid off an employee
to the tune of one hundred thousand dollars to get
that Cassie Ventura video. Let's take a look at the
Cassie Ventura beat down video. Now, it was speculated upon
(15:19):
so much in the press. Where did the video come from?
Did it come from the raid on? Did he's mansion?
Did he have it there? Where did it come from? Wow,
you wonder why he paid one hundred thousand dollars. Did
he think it would never come to light? Busted in
(15:42):
court sworn testimony that Shawn Holmes paid one hundred thousand
dollars to get his mits on this video. And this
video was like pulling the tiger by the tail. You
can't hold on and you can't let go. Because once
the saw this, they had to do something. The statute
(16:04):
of limitations had run in the local jurisdiction, so it
was up to the Feds and what were they gonna do?
Stand there with their thumb up their ear end? No,
they had to act er go. Therefore the multi count
federal indictment. What was Sean Comes's reaction typically when he
doesn't get his way, Because in court, when he was
(16:28):
watching Brian Steel who's a very very good trial lawyer.
It's a great defense attorney, right, I've watched him in action.
So Steele started off with Mia with the Andy and
Mayberry approach, trying to get the answers, but yet being
genial to her. He didn't want to beat up on Mia.
And you could see Sean Kin's going uh uhh, moving
(16:51):
around and twisting around and holding his face and all that.
I mean, the dream could see him. And then suddenly
Brian Steele has a change of heart. You can imagine
if he if Diddy is driving, is steering that ship,
then he gets really mean to Meya still does so
did he not getting what he wants? Can you imagine
(17:13):
how angry he was when he finds out that was
a hundred thousand dollars right down the crapper there was
another copy.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, I'm sure he was absolutely furious. Let me tell
you a little bit of a secret here about Puffey.
But somebody with all the money that he has is
incredibly cheap. He never wanted to pay for anything he
didn't have to pay for. He wanted to get free clothes,
free dinners, free tickets if he went at a club's restaurants,
(17:43):
he just didn't want to pay for stuff, and so
for him to have to reach into his own pocket
and pay one hundred thousand dollars, which I think that
tape is incredibly cheap. That tape is going to change
his life, and so it was worth tens of millions
of dollars. For him to get it for one hundred
thousand dollar is cheap. And then to find out he
didn't get it all there was another copy. He will
(18:06):
have exploded.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I'm just imagining when Shawn comes finds out there's another
video floating around. Robert Crispins joining me private investigator was
with former Federal Task Force officer for the US Department
of Justice in the Miami Field Division. They're not sitting
(18:29):
around twiddling their thumbs. Former homicide Crimes against Children investigator.
He is now at Crispin Investigations dot com. Crispin, don't
you just hate it when you blackmail somebody to the
team of one hundred grand and there's another video floating
around ret row?
Speaker 8 (18:47):
I mean, really, come on, think about it. Do you
really think that no one else was going to have
a video of dittying kicking the hell out of somebody,
especially Cassie Ventura, come on time. So here's the beauty
of all this with the government, this cast of guard
letter stuff, this King for a day, Queen for a day.
(19:09):
They need people to give testimony. I lure being indicted
to say what happened?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Standing by his investigative reporter Lauren Conlins. He's been in
the courtroom all day long, star off Pop Crime TV.
What a bomb, a state bomb for the defense drut
right in the middle of that clatch of lawyers one
hundred thousand dollars Diddybucks paid off for bribery. Bribery which,
(19:39):
as Romani pointed out, is a predicate at you have
to have an underlying felony or predicate act to prove Rico,
tell me how that went over in the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yes, Nancy, we started off by getting a really big
interruption by a woman that works for the MTA. The
entire courtroom turned around is before Eddie Garcia, the witness,
walked in. But that was quite a moment. She was
screaming at the press, saying that the press is awful
and the press is laughing at Ditty, And you should
have seen Ditty's face as well as everyone in the courtroom.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
We were all in shock.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
But back to Eddie Garcia, I mean, this testimony was
incredibly important to this case, as you know. He testified
that he received multiple calls from Christina Porum, Ditty's assistant
before she eventually passed the phone over to Sean Colmes himself.
Eddie Garcia described talking to him saying, you know, look,
I already told your assistant here, but I don't have
(20:35):
any clearance to obtain this video that you want me
to obtain.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I cannot go in this room. Only my boss can
do that.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And he described did He kind of just buttering him up, saying,
you know, I know you can do it, Eddie, I
believe in.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
You type of thing.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And he also described Didty as being very nervous seeming
on the phone saying, look, this could destroy my reputation
if it gets out. Now he said, okay, you know,
I'll talk to my boss, et cetera. And this was
actually after receiving a call from Diddy and Christina on
his cell phone. They started off by calling him at
the general security desk. They somehow got his cell phone,
(21:12):
which he said did make him a little bit nervous,
and he said that, you know, he talked to his
boss and he said, look, this is what's going on.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
They want this.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Video, and his boss said, okay, tell him fifty thousand dollars.
They make this meeting happen where Diddy tells him a
meeting place. He goes and gets this black USB from
his boss at the Intercontinental, and he goes and he
meets with Diddy, and he describes being taken up to
this room by one of Ditty's security guards. He meets
(21:41):
with Christina Korum and then eventually Diddy, and he says
that after some back and forth, did he requested the
IDs of Eddie Garcia and his boss and another gentleman.
And one of the first testimonies we heard, I think
it actually was the first one was Israel Flores, who
also was on duty day. But Eddie Garcia said, I
(22:02):
don't think that Israel Flores is going to go for this.
So they got the idea of somebody else and they
texted these to him.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
He went in another room, came back, got an NDA.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Eddie Garcia had to sign this this NDA, and then
eventually did He came back with a brown bag of
money and a money counter and he did not get
fifty thousand dollars. He got one hundred thousand dollars. And
he also said that about two weeks later it was easter.
Did he called him again to check in, saying, Eddie,
my angel, you know, how are you have you heard
(22:33):
anything or anybody mentioned this video at all?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
And he said no, and that was that.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace. Could you tell me what
this reaction in the courtroom when it came out from
not one but two witnesses that come had bribed one
hundred thousand dollars to get that video.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I'd say today the jury is much more reserved than
they were while listening to Mia. I mean, this is
important testimony, so they are listening intently. I would say
their heads kind of go back and forth between the
lawyer and the witness, you know appropriately, and they look
at the documents that they're reading. They we saw multiple
(23:28):
times the NDA on the screen and these jurors they
were reading it.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
They wanted to catch every word here.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
You know, I'm very curious to doctor Bethany Marshall joining
us psychoanalyst out of la and author, doctor Bethany to
hear what she's saying. What Lauren Colin is stating to
finally be hit with reality that you've been uncovered in
(23:55):
a bribe. And what's so important about the bribe not
just bribery on it own, but it serves as a
required underlying felony to show Rico. And you know Sean
Combs knows that, and it's just pouring from the witness stand.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
Well, you know, he can beat down Cassie Ventura, but
he can't beat down the prosecution. He cannot beat down
the fence. And this is the telling moment for him.
I wish I had like a monitor to rate his
to measure his perspiration rate, his heart rate, to see
what he's really going through. I bet he's flooded right now.
(24:36):
I bet he's enraged. Like Rob Shooter talked about the
veins bulging out, he is probably enraged. He doesn't feel guilty,
he doesn't feel worried, Nancy. He is mad and he's
not going to be able to get away with this
once he's incarcerated. He's going to have plenty of incidents
when he's called on bad behavior and there's nothing he's
(24:59):
going to be able to do about it. You can't
buy your way out of it once you're incarcerated. And
this interaction about the one hundred thousand dollars bribe. You know,
this is just one iteration of many incidentss where he's
bought people off.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
what we know now, it has been a long day
in the courtroom. Straight out to Harmonia of Rodriguez. She
is the chief US reporter with dailymail dot com podcast
titled The Trial of Ditty, in which she starts her
money and thank you for being with us. First thing
(25:38):
this morning, we saw a videographer expert on the stand.
What was the point right today?
Speaker 10 (25:47):
First thing in the morning, a video expert, his name
is Frank Piazza, took the stand for the prosecution and
he said he analyzed cell phone footage, surveillance footage and
also sex videos. On the stand, he's based giving these
videos legitimacy because as we know Diddy's attorneys, particularly with
the La Assault twenty sixteen video, they have suggested and
(26:10):
put the idea out there that these videos have been
edited by CNN, they have been sped up. So this
expert was basically there to tell the jury this videos
are legitimate, they have not been messed with and you
should trust them essentially, you.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Know from the get go straight out to Greg Morse,
joining US veteran criminal defense attorney. He is the lead
partner at Morse Legal and author of the Untested on Amazon.
Greg Morse, I believe there was a time that you
suggested that the freak Off videos were a myth, that
(26:46):
they were lore, that they didn't exist. Well, buckle your
seat belt because this expert on the stand that Harmonia
just described is laying the foundation. What does that mean?
Whatever you bring in a video, an audio recording, really
any piece of physical evidence at allbeit drugs or a
(27:07):
picture or an article of clothing, you have to lay
the foundation. I can't just go in and go hey, judge,
can I bring in these notes? No, you have to say.
You have to have a witness under oath to say
what is the object? What is the exhibit? Where did
it come from? What's the chain of custody? I haven't
been leaving it out on Third Avenue in downtown Manhattan
(27:30):
where anybody could change it. You've got to show that
it has been tampered with and the chain of custody,
who's held it, who's been in charge of it, is complete.
There's not a break in the chain and what it
purports to be that gives the other side a chance
to object on any of those grounds. So it's happening, Morse.
(27:51):
This is the beginning of the admission into evidence of
the freak off tapes, which you at one time said
was just a miss. They didn't really exist, as if
it didn't happen, Yes you did.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Well, okay, they can introduce the free call videos. Again,
it doesn't mean sex trafficking and Rico happened here and
testimony yesterday shows that from victim number two, So they
can introduce these videos. A lot of people want to
keep their sex life private. Doctors, lawyers, famous people. These
(28:24):
things are not doesn't move the needle to sex trafficking yet,
So they can introduce all the videos they want. But
their core of their indictment is centered around the domestic
abuse video where miss Ventur is being beaten in that
hotel lobby or hallway by P Diddy. But so the
freak call videos are going to come in. When are
(28:45):
we're going to hear about young people? Whenever we're going
to hear about drugged people.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing.
First of all, you said, I don't know if these
freecalls really happened, and if they did happen, they're not
a video. Now we've heard testimony about the free coughs,
and we're laying the foundation right now. The state is
to introduce those freak of videos. Didn't you just hear
(29:10):
Harmonia Rodriguez say this expert says he is an expert
in is going to address cell phone videos, surveillance videos,
that's the Intercontinental beat down, and sex tapes. What other
sex tape? It's got to be the freak coughs. They're
coming in to evidence and from what I understand, straight
(29:31):
out to Sidney Summer joining US Crime Stories, investigative reporter
on the case from the beginning, like Harmonia, Sidney, these
are not all consenting adults in engaging in an orgy
or group sex. I guess the new term would be polyamorous.
That's not what the state is alleging, Sydney.
Speaker 11 (29:53):
What we know, Nancy. They're alleging that these women or
men or all participants who may or may not have
been adults. We've seen many minor allegations come out in lawsuits,
but SDNY is not specifically arguing that COM's targeted miners anyways,
(30:15):
The state, the government is claiming that these victims were
coerced in one way, shape or another, whether that was
by financial control, blackmail, the threat or follow through of
physical violence. Holmes used cowardon to get what he wanted
(30:35):
to get, these sex parties, these freak offs. This was
not something that somebody wanted and actively was interested in doing.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I mean, Greg Morse, I don't know, are you deaf,
dumb and blind? Didn't you hear the testimony that when
Cassie Venturro was getting beaten in the hallway of the
Intercontinental and dragged back, it was dragged back to a
room where she was being coerced into having sex with
a sex worker, and she was trying to run away.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
You're making up testimony. You're making up testimony. All you're
doing is making up testimony. I I'm right, That's what
I am. Because so far the prosecution hasn't produced any
testimony that says victim number one or victim number two
were coerced or forced or through fraud. This is you know,
people made choices in this situation from their own mouth.
(31:30):
Miss Ventura testified from her own mouth. Yeah, I didn't
always like the freak offs. But I did them. You
had another witness, Okay, Miss Ventura paid me for the
freak off. Again, things are being shoved in under a
criminal indictment to things that people do. We may look
at it and say, I would never do that, I
(31:50):
would never.
Speaker 10 (31:51):
Want to be involved in that.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
But the edge, Sidney sum are joining us from crime stories, Sydney.
Isn't it true? They cast even to your test to
find that she was being dragged back to the room
and what was happening in the room number one and
number two? Isn't it true When the security guard who
we see in the video went back to the room,
(32:13):
he sees another guy in there. That's the sex worker.
Speaker 11 (32:17):
That's correct, Nancy. So that's what we heard from Israel,
Flores and Caafy about that situation. Mores claimed that there
was another man in the room and he didn't make
any note of that man being in the room because
he was not directly involved in Sean Combe's and Cathy's altercation,
so he left that out of his incident reports about
(32:38):
the situation because he was irrelevant at the time. But
now coming back to testimony, combined with what Cathy Ventura
said on the stand. That becomes incredibly important because it
backs up the fact that she said she was running
away from a free.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Boby Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. So, Morris, do you
think Sidney Sumner she doesn't have a dog in the fight,
no skin in the game. You think she's lying so to.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Gives inconsistent statements. There's a conflict in the evidence, clearly
because she said it was consensual many times, and when
the jury is charged at the end of it still
told Nancy. You know they're going to be told what
reasonable doubt is conflict in the evidence?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yes, I know that, but I also know's testimony. You
know what pat is mine. I can't take it anymore. Well.
Seawan comes, his family prepares their documentary to air after
the verdict, and his enablers prepare his comeback tour when
(33:51):
he is found not guilty according to them, not according
to me. A lot of people have been did he
THI joining me is a special guest's armand Wiggins Entertainment
legal affairs commentator hosts a podcast, The armand Wiggins Show,
And I want you to see what happened to him
(34:12):
outside the courthouse.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
Oh okay, not down that.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
This is crazy. Okay, that's from our friends at TMZ
Harvey eleven. You know, armand Wiggins. Please don't like because
you never know when somebody comes up to you on
the street starts screaming at you, whether they are high
on meth, whether they have a gun. So you know
(34:42):
what next time, please just don't engage, don't be the hero,
just say thank you and walk away. But yet you
engaged armand Wiggins. What was she screaming?
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Honestly, she just was trying to go viral. She was screaming,
let's go via. She was saying a bunch of flagrant
obscenities to me, and I think it was just because
she saw me going live. This court, this case has
has become a zoo and a breeding ground for all
walks of life, and people are just coming. They're trying
to get their piece of the moment, their piece of
the viral moment, and just shouting out and making stuff up.
(35:19):
So there was a woman that got put out of
the courtroom. This woman was heckling. So it was actually
I didn't even know who this woman was. She just
saw me on live camera. She figured, okay, this is
a content creator. He goes viral firs Diddy News and
let me go and trash him in his live feed
and hopefully I'll make the news.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
A lot of people are well, they've been ditified, and
without knowing any of the evidence, or ignoring the little
bit of evidence they do know, they're convinced the Shaw
Comes is innocent. You know, I got into it with
Ray j again, but I want you to hear you
mentioned a woman that got dragged out of court by
(35:58):
armed guards. Well, listen to her, Diddy.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Everyone thinks this as a joke, laughing at black man
legacy being destroyed.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
Everyone has been laughing.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I don't care if it sounded funny.
Speaker 11 (36:12):
It's not funny.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
No, it's not funny for women to get beaten, raped, drugged,
dragged over and over and over. And it's not just
one woman. It's not just Cass even Tira. It's one
after the next, after the next. That was from our
friends at BBC on TikTok. Back to you, Arman Wiggins
(36:37):
who was assaulted outside of the courthouse. I just heard
her talking about the legacy of Sean Comes and wrapping
it into the legacy of black men that they should
not be wrongfully attacked. What about black women? What about them?
(37:01):
Do they not matter in the black legacy? What about them?
What about all the women that we're hearing from, What
about Capricorn Clark? What about one after the next after
the next woman of color that has gotten a beating
(37:23):
from Sean Combs? And do you know how close it
was for this woman hanging off a balcony by high
on something Shawn Combs? But yet no one seems to
hear that. What about these women at the legacy of
(37:45):
Seawan Combs? Are you kidding me? It sounds like exactly
what ray J and I were arguing about on TMZ.
You're saying the same thing, He's not crazy.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
Well, you know, ray J was mentioned in the court
documents Cassie's drug dealer too yesterday, so there might be
some affiliation there. But you know, I talked to ray J.
Raj said they had nothing to do with him, and
he's not sure why Diddy's team is mentioning him. I
don't know what that relationship is. But in regards to
the women, I think that the prosecution is doing a
(38:16):
great job because one thing that we cannot get around
is whenever they played that video and when they got
into that forensic audio and video, and you saw Cassie
being yoked up and dragged. I don't care what you're
talking about as far as Diddy's legacy. You have a heart,
you have an emotion, and you feel every blow, every kick,
and so I think that everybody in that room, man, woman, child,
(38:38):
they felt that. And there's no way that he's getting
around that. And the prosecution make sure every day they
played that video just in case you may have forgotten
what we're really here for.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Philip Debay is joining me veteran trial lawyer out of
the LA jurisdiction. Debay, we're saying a whole another animal
right now. We've heard about beatings and draggings and yanking
people by their hair and kicking them, and that's something
that a lot of people see, whether it's in the movies,
(39:16):
whether they've seen it in real life. But dangling someone
off a seventeenth floor balcony, that's a whole nother thing
that really can't be made.
Speaker 12 (39:29):
Up, No, of course not. But how I would play
it if I were his counsel is, like you said earlier,
is it real or is it just real testimony? Because
if you remember, it came out that she was hooked
on ketamine and all kinds of other drugs that are
various types of anesthetics that put you in a trance
(39:50):
like state, almost in a twilight state. So who really
knows what, if anything, she accurately members and it is not.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
See, Cassie, we're doing drugs. Where do you think they
got those drugs?
Speaker 12 (40:02):
Debate, Let's give them that, let's pretend, let's really pretend
he was applying them with dope. It is not his
mo to be defenestrating people. It's just simply not the case.
But I think for him better yet, is that just
because he is in a respondiat superior mob boss, he
(40:25):
can be acting in his individual maniacal capacity unmedicated that
does not fall under RICO. It falls under state crimes,
and the statutes of limitation have run. So what the
Feds are doing is they're using RICO as an end
run around the state statutal limitations that local DA's blue.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
You know, the more the defense objects to any particular
line of questioning, the more sensitive it is. Right, the
more you scream at the dentist office is because that's
the more it hurts right there on that particular tooth
and they went after this witness tooth and nail to
Lauren Klan. There was quite quite a cross examination of
(41:09):
her on the stand.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
What happened during Nicole Westmoreland's cross examination of Rihanna Bongolan.
She also got her to say that after a week
after the alleged balcony incident, Rihanna was going to private
parties with Sean Colmes and she was actually texting back
and forth with Passy a few days later about having
a sleepover. So Wes Morland said to her, you know,
(41:34):
this horrible thing happened to you, and a week later
you're willing.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
To go back and have a sleepover.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
And Bongolan just said, I guess so, And there was
some tense moments.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Because of her original civil suit, she did fire her attorney,
Tyrone Blackburn.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
He came up a number of times.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Today because she said that he kind of misinterpreted what
she said and alleged some kind of sexual assault happened
or did he grope her when lifting her up as
he allegedly dangled her.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
And Wes Moreland said.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Well, you know you fired Blackburn, but you still perpetuated
this lie. So to speak with your other attorneys in
that lawsuit and your new updated lawsuit as well, did
you not, And you know, she kind of said, well,
I didn't write all of that in the new lawsuit.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
My attorneys did.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
So it was just a lot of back and forth
about that and very tense. I'm not going to say
it was hostile, but it was uncomfortable and it was aggressive.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
And now, wait, remember an American hero, officer Helen Smith,
North Carolina Department Public Safety, passed away in the line
of duty, survived by grieving husband Tony and children Andrew
and Samantha sentenced to life without their mother. American here
(43:01):
correctional Officer Helen Smith. Thank you to our guests for
being with us, but especially to you from being with
us tonight and every night. Nancy Grace signing off, I'll
see you tomorrow night six and nine o'clock sharp Eastern end.
Until then, good night, ri
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