January 8, 2025 • 40 mins
Multiple documentaries released purporting to tell the truth about Sean "Diddy" Combs, but what will be revealed?
In the meantime, Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs may be feeling forgotten behind bars. The mogul’s holidays have been described as ‘bleak’, with equally dismal holiday meals to match, including a steak and cheese sub served on a hotdog bun. Combs missed his twins’ 18th birthday, which they marked with a casual yacht trip to St. Barts, and now Combs’ isn’t even the most high-profile inmate at the MDC. Combs reportedly reeling over the support inmates show CEO-killer Luigi Mangione, while he’s been shunned over federal sex-trafficking allegations.
Inmates at the MDC are reportedly hailing Luigi Mangione as a hero. Mangione remains in the SHU or Special Housing Unit, separated from gen pop for the time being. Mangione will eventually move to the same floor as Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs, who’s reportedly jealous of the attention the accused killer is receiving. Despite their husband and wife legal counsel, sources do not believe Combs and Mangione will interact as “they have really nothing in common.”
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Wendy Patrick - California prosecutor, President and Founder of Black Swan Verdicts, Author: "Why Bad Looks Good", "Reading People: How to Understand People and Predict Their Behavior -- Anytime, Anyplace," "Red Flags: Frenemies, Underminers, and Ruthless People," wendypatrickphd.com, ‘Today with Dr Wendy’ on KCBQ in San Diego, Twitter: @WendyPatrickPHD
- Caryn Stark - Psychologist, renowned TV and Radio trauma expert and consultant, www.carynstark.com, Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, Worked over 300 Homicides in 25 year career, & Host of YouTube channel, "The Interview Room." www.coldcasefoundation.org/chris-mcdonough
- Dr. DeWayne Hendrix - Former Associate Warden at the MDC in Brooklyn, and former Senior Warden with the US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons, Founder and President of A New Daylight Foundation, Author: "Who Are You? See It Say It and Seize It," newdaylightfoundation.com, @anewdaylight (IG) @drdewaynehendrix (LinkedIn) @anewdaylight (X-Twitter)
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube, lynnswarrior.org, X: @lynns_warriors Youtube: @LynnsWarriors
- Kayla Brantley [BRANT-lee] (New York City, NY) Reporter-At-Large for DailyMail.com also Host of Daily Mail’s podcast: 'The Trial of Diddy' Twitter: @_KaylaBrantley, Instagram: @KaylaBrantley
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Diddy Jelly. Apparently Shawn Colmbs.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Explodes when assassin Luigi Mangioni arrives a Diddy tantrum.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
He's refusing to leave.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
His cell after he hears for the first time in life,
no jailhouse guards say no to his demands. As we learn,
ditty sex trolls scoping crowds for sex victims during parties.
This as damning ditty documentaries hit the airwaves. Who's taking
notes the Feds? I'm Nancy Grease, this is Crime Stories,
(00:44):
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
A frenzy of documentaries purporting to tell the real story
of p Diddy as the infamous rapper and music mogul
sits behind bars.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
The real story, my rear end. The real story is
going to be told in court. But regarding those documentaries,
as I said, who's taking notes the Feds? Don't you
know They've got some intern tasked with watching every one
of these documentaries hitting the air, trolling and combing every
(01:16):
single word for new evidence and or witnesses. It's happening
this after they all but guarantee there are going to
be more charges.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Speaking of the dogs, listen, Sean Colmes is a monster.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I want to speak about this now because I've witnessed everything.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I think Shawn Conbs can get away with anything.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
That was the sentiment for many, many years that Shawn
Combs aka Diddy aka Puff Daddy aka Puff aka Puffy
aka Love It goes on and on that he could
get away with anything. And it was only after that
that Cassie Ventura video emerged of him beating, beating her,
(02:05):
chasing her down in a public hallway of a ritzy hotel.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Did defense finally finally do something? But they have?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You just saw that from Peacock's documentary special on Ditty,
The Making of a Bad Boy.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
But there's more. Listen.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
There were rumblings about Ditty's bad behavior for years.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Federal officers spent hours of moving firearms, computers, foxes.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
And bags a massive show of force.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Cassie claimed Diddy was often violent. There's a lot of
things people fear. I know what's gone on, A whole lot.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Of people do.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Are we all perfect?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
It's a stunning downfall.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So I was taking notes right there about that one
female witness who she I want to know her name
and address?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
And don't you know the Feds agree.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now, that's from my friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ.
That documentary is called The Downfall of Didty, and that's
now streaming.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Free on TV.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Hey fans, you don't even have to buy a subscription
to see that one. Go ahead, get your legal pads
ready and start taking notes, you, federal prosecutor, interns and more.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Listen, this is.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
The type of indictment you would expect from someone in
the mafia.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I don't know that I could keep him off the stand.
He is very eager to tell his story.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
They're going to show that video over and over and
over about what happens to women that won't change their stories.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
His reputation is over the United States government.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
They start making this case as a takedown of a
successful black man. TMZ presents The Downfall of Ditty, the
indictment now streaming on two B.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Instead of sitting in his cell sulking and pouting and
antagonizing the guards and whining about Luigi Manngioni, the healthcare boss,
assassin getting excuse me, assassin, getting all the attention and
being crowned king of the jail cell, instead of that,
he needs to tell his lawyer to put a sock
in it because that lawyer anfellow just tipped his hand
(04:16):
about one direction in which the defense is going again.
That was from our friend Harvey Levin. Ever at TMZ
their doc The Downfall of Diddy, and it's free on
TB FEDS.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
It's free.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You don't have to pay for it as a former FED, Okay,
they give you no money all right to prosecute your case.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You can get all those witnesses names for free. So
what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of
what we are learning right now from all of the documentaries.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But let's just take a peek at one more.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
Disturbing video that Showshan Jiddy Coombs kicking, shoving and dragging.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
His actual finds.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
If she was scared of him?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I think so?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Were you scared of him?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah? My sense was that everybody around him he was
afraid of him.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Afraid of Shawn Hon Yeah, why because he's explosive.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
Didn's Downfall now streaming on Hulu.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And another one that's for our friends at ABC did
his Downfall nightline. Jumping in on it again with me
and All a Star Panel.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I want to go first to long.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Time investigator and now colleague colleague Chris McDonough, Director Cold
Case Research, Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, worked over
three hundred homicides.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Weren't you also vice at one point? Chris?
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Yes, I was, Nancy yep, okay years write that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Also, this is where I found him after his twenty
five year career in l E law enforcement. He is
a star of a YouTube channel, The Interview Room. Chris,
how hard did we have to beat the streets to
find witnesses?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Talk about a polar vortex.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I remember being out on the street, literally banging on
doors with my investigator, trying to find witnesses. Of course
they could see us coming a mile away, pulling up
in our Crown Vic. Nobody would come to the door,
but we had to try. Right, the fans could just
sit back and watch all these documentaries. And by the way,
Caleb Brandley, Dana Mill, I'm talking about you girl and
(06:24):
your podcast A Trial of Diddy. But Chris McDonough, they're
getting witnesses handed over on a silver platter with all
of these documentaries. Hey, I wonder if Diddy's getting Hulu
by bars.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
You know, Nancy, we talked about this on your show
multiple times. I mean, as you've been covering this case,
you know the problem here that he has, and you've
projected it that it was coming. His ego is so big,
and he's what we would call a power assertive offender
and he can't control it. But it goes to show
(07:01):
you how much intimidation factor he had into that ego
where he could control all of these people until he
was locked up.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Wendy Patrick joining me, high profile California prosecutor, President founder
black Swan Verdicts, author of Why Bad Looks Good. Second
book Reading People, How to understand people and predict their behavior.
I like that one. You've got so many books. I
don't have time to talk about all of them, Wendy,
but thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Wendy. What is agna Fello doing?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean, I know Combs has added on to his
defense team, but cardinal rule and you know, here's a
high profile lawyer that Nesa never says the word Bean
Broffman fire in trouble.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I would hire him. He's a street fighter, but he
never speaks to the press. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So, first thing that the elected district attorney told me
once I got my own courtroom, don't talk to the
press about your cases. He said it in a nice way,
but that's you're shooting yourself in the foot by doing
that with all these dogs. And he keeps talking, he's
giving away, he's tipping his hand.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Oh, what the defense will be?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You know, we always used to say a closed mouth
gathers no foot, and that is a great idea in
mantra to live by when in fact, you're on the
defense side of a case that's so high profile or
even Nancy, when you're the prosecutor and you want to
make sure that the case is tried with integrity in
a courtroom, not in the court of public opinion, but
when you have such a high profile client. And I
(08:41):
used to be a criminal defense decades ago. But that's
the type of thing that you have to be very
careful about because everyone's looking and with much curiosity about
what the defense is going to be.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
What could it possibly be?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
If the prosecution is patterns make the predator, well, then
it's almost very difficult to try to figure out how
do you best counter all of that evidence? And like
you say, more every day, all you have to do
is watch these free YouTube channels. How are you going
to counter that? And if you have a plan, it's
probably not the wisest thing to say it in public,
(09:15):
even though the court of public opinion unfortunately expects something
from the defense.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
That's the balance.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Hey, you know, I heard Agnefello blurt out, I can't
keep him off the stand.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I don't want to help out Diddy because the evidence
is mounting against him. So who am I supposed to
believe all these women or him?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Okay, but.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Putting Sean Combs on the stand would be a prosecutor's
dream come true.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Dream come true. Go on, Agnafello, go ahead and put
it on this. Put him on the stand.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Although I don't know that Agnefello can stand up to
Shawn Combs in court. Comes might take the stand over
and the fellow's advice, that.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Said is ditty jelly.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Apparently Seawn Comb's jealous after the healthcare assassin Luigi Mangioni.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
No love lost between me and Mangioni.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But that said, he's angry that Mangioni has apparently been
crowned miss Sweet Potato Queen at the MDC.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
Reports from sources inside Metropolitan Center say Diddy is furious
that alleged CEO murderer Luigi Mangioni is getting more attention
behind bars. Diddy has allegedly been throwing tantrums, claiming he
is innocent of sex trafficking, yet he continues getting so
much hate inside the lock up, while Luigi gets so
(10:45):
much love. Reports say, prisoners apparently love Mangioni, giving him
support and sharing their stories of losing loved ones due
to inadequate healthcare.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Any meenie, miney moe, Which baguy do I love the most?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
That's what's happening behind bars? Are you kidding? Joining me?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Reporter at large for the Dailymail dot Com, also host
of have a brand new podcast that's hitting the charts,
The Trial of Ditty Caleb Brantley.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Is this real? Actually?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
At first I thought no, somebody made that up. But
I can actually see Sean Combs angry. He's not the
king of the sale block anymore.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I mean, this is the crossover event of the century.
At the MDC. You have Diddy and Luigi Mangioni locked
up together. Our sources say that they haven't quite met yet,
though they do share a legal team, but that Diddy
is absolutely furious that he's been throwing tantrums and if anything,
this just goes to show his inflated ego and how
(11:46):
he feels. You know, he has the name Love that
he should be loved and adored. Meanwhile, Luigi allegedly shot
someone in cold blood on camera. So to Diddy, he
doesn't get it.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
He's saying, you know, I am innocent.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yet you have this guy allegedly on camera killing somebody.
How is he being revered as a hero and Diddy's
a villain too?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Lynn Shaw joining me, founder executive director Lynz Warriors, Who's
having none of this. Linn's Warriors is dedicated to eradicating
sex trafficking and the abuse of sex victims. Also host
of Linz Warriors on YouTube. Lynn Shaw, thank you for
being with us. What about this a celebrity hair fight
(12:31):
behind bars between Sean Combs and Luigi MANGIONI is.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Diddy jelly what? I've never heard anything like it in
my life, But apparently that's the word.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
That's the word I'm hearing also. But I have to
tell you, Nancy, I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted with this whole thing.
Boo hoo hoo. This dirty ditty hot dog on a
bun in a jail cell. That's a lot more food
than victims and survivors we work with get served on
a daily basis. As far as Luigi, another distraction because
(13:02):
I live right down the street from where that horrible
event took place, and you know what, an hour later,
people were just walking over the spot in New York
City And this is what we're talking about and celebrating.
How about the focus. I ultimately believe this Diddy case
will come down to it's going to be very tough children,
minors where they brought over state lines sex trafficking. So
(13:24):
that's where I think everybody should be going in and
really trying to find victims, voices and hear their stories.
I realize everybody's coming out of the woodwork right now,
but a little too late. However, I think that's the angle.
Why why did everybody wait decades? What can you imagine
if one of these women came forward very quietly and tried,
(13:46):
Now they did, There were a couple of cases they
did say they tried, nobody would listen to them. Why
why can't we switch that up and go in and
find kids? Because so many have told me over the
decades about dirty and still nobody did anything about it.
I asked why.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Now I can tell you why, Lenshaw.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I know this may be hard for a lot of
people to believe, but I didn't speak out when I
was a prosecutor about a judge that hit on me
over and over and over. He walked me to my
car one night and actually kissed me right on the mouth.
I'm like, oh, did I complain?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I mean, I immediately, just in my car.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I went by and laughed and avoided him as much
as I could. But I feared for my cases. I
feared for my cases that if I complained, other judges
that were his friends would hold that against.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Me and take it out on my victims.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So I figured, one kiss on the lips, that's a
small price to pay for not worrying every time I
struck a jury, Is it right?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Hblel in, Oh, it's not right. I mean, I get it,
but I get it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
But Nancy, it was very much alive in me that
somehow my victims would suffer.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
Yeah, But Nancy, and the wake of the last couple
of years in the Me Too movement, we should have
heard something a little bit more before this Cassi Ventura
video came out. I mean, I had women, but I
didn't have proof about any of this, that this was
actually happening, so I couldn't step forward. I urged them
and they would not do it. And I'm going back
again to Harvey Weinstein when all that was breaking open,
(15:31):
and they still wouldn't come forward. But if we had
just one one victim that would have come forward, I
have to ask again, it's very easy right now for
everybody to create specials and cash in on the dirty
ditty story. But where were they when all this was
going on. I remained, If we don't change the way
we think about victims survivors, we are not going to
(15:53):
get anywhere. And if this guy gets away with this,
I don't know, victims and survivors will never ever come
forward because they will see when somebody has power and
money and attention like this, they don't matter.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Shawn Comb's unhappy with you found attention garnered by suspected
CEO killer. Luigi Mangioni whispers from inside the MDC.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Not necessarily whispers anymore, it's full out being stated and
reported that Shawn Combs is jelly jealous.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Ever, Luigi Mangioni, Okay, I don't care about that, but I.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Find it really interesting that he's having his sulky powdy
stunts where he refuses to come out of his jail
because he's angry.
Speaker 9 (16:44):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace Sean Diddy. Combs may be
feeling forgotten buying bars. The moguls holidays have been described
as bleak, with equally dismal holiday meals to match, including
a state acon g subserved on a hot dog Biden.
Combs missed his twins eighteenth first day, which they marked
(17:05):
with a casual yacht trip to Saint Bart's, and now
Combs isn't even the most high profile inmate at the MDC.
Comb's reportedly reeling over this support inmates show CEO killer
Luigi Mangioni while he's been shunned over federal sex trafficking allegations.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
What is wrong with investigative reporter Davematt from Crime online
dot Com. He just said Combs's twins went to a
casual yacht trip to St to Saint Bart's.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Casual? What uh okay?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Let me go straight out to special guests joining us.
Doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate warden at Brooklyn's MDC Metropolitan
Detention Center.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
He is the author of who Are You See It?
Say It, Seize It?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And he's got a website, guys, New day Lightfoundation dot com.
Doctor Hendrix, thank you for joining us. There's so much
more to your CVB.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I gotta get to dandy.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I can't read three pages of all of your accomplishments,
Doctor Hendricks. Did you hear that the wardens finally told
Sean Combs the dreaded n O. They got tired of
his stunts and he had a meltdown?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Hey, listen, doctor Hendricks.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
Sources from the MDC claim Combs had a meltdown in
prison over the holidays, distraught that he remains behind bars.
A panished Combs reportedly begged guards to take him to
the prison hospital, claiming he was having a breakdown in
meet say, when guards refuse his request, the rapper spent
several hours using meditation techniques to calm himself down. Observers
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at recent court hearings say prison and meal refusals appear
to be taking a toll on Combs, who looks astonishingly
thinner and grayer.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Again, all I can say is, of course he's thinner
and grayer. That's because he doesn't have a private chef
cooking every meal for him. Don't you recall a PR
guru that joined us a few weeks ago stated that
Shawn Comes would demand cheesecake at four am, and get it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I mean that was just a tiny example. Of course,
he's thinner.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He's having to eat three regular meals like the rest
of us, and he's not being served on a silver platter,
and boohoo, killer Brantley, his gray is showing.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
That's because he's not having a weekly touch up with
his private hair dresser. Am I supposed to feel bad
about that? Kila?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Well, Nancy, He's innocent until proven guilty, So no, you
don't have to feel bad.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
But I like you, and I respect your podcasts, and
I respect how much work and research you put into
every single article, podcast appearance. But I didn't ask you that.
Of course, it goes without saying Sean Comes is presumed
he is innocent, not just presumed, he is innocent until
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he has been proven guilty in a court of law
before a jury of his peers. That standard is very
high in a criminal case. It is beyond a reasonable doubt.
What is a reasonable doubt, calib Brantley. It is not
a mathematical certainty such as two and two equals four,
(20:21):
But it is not an improbability. It is a probability,
a doubt based on reason.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
That's the only thing the state has to avoid. So
of course he's in a cent until proven guilty.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I ask you, why are people making a big deal
about him being thinner and grayer?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Well, I think there's just so much attention on this case,
and people are so curious about how someone's lifestyle can
just go from being you know, at the peak the
pinnacle you have everything, you have luxury, to then going
completely to bottom of the barrel. So for any random
Joe Schmoe who gets locked up, no, you know, eating
(21:01):
these three regular subpar meals a day is nothing, but
the interest is.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Dait a minute, wait wa, whoa whoa, whoa whoa? Hold on, little.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Girl, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, I do not call steak on
a bun sub par. It's not tony, somebody would give
me steak on a bun.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
What about it, Hendricks?
Speaker 11 (21:23):
Well, apparently they must have run out of cheesesteaks. But
putting the meal on the hot dog bun. He just
needs to eat his meal and keep quiet in terms
of him out well, in terms of him having a
meltdown and telling the staff that he wants to go
to the hospital. I can tell you we used to
(21:43):
send inmates to the hospital for hangail. So apparently he's
just trying to get out of the institution and they're
just having no parts of it.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
There's a there's an old saying in prison, if you
mind your own you live long. So he needs to
stop worrying about Luigi MAGNGIONI gets focused on his particular
case because I'm also hearing that he refuses to leave
the cell to come down to the busiting room to
be served these additional lawsuits, and it's not going to
stop anything. It's going to delay it a little bit.
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But he needs to get focused on what he needs
to do to fight for his freedom. Invite these allegations.
But the more he acts up, the more he panders,
and the more he cries, he just appears to be guilty.
And I know he's got to be proven guilty in
the court of law, but his actions are very devaike
and it's not winning him any friends in that institution
(22:38):
or any other future institution that he may find himself in.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
The future, and you know what's interesting, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix
former says you a warden at NDC where Combs is housed.
In addition to that and being a doctor and an author,
I guess you're also clairvoyant listen.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
In addition into refusing meals, there are reports that Sean
Diddy Combs refuses to leave his cell in order to
avoid being served with more lawsuits. Attorney Tony Buzby says
Combe's refusal to accept service in two cases has caused
significant delays, resulting in canceled hearings with three new accusers. Finally,
in the last three weeks, the mogul is now facing
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forty one individual lawsuits, all but one alleging sexual assault.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Didy's latest court hearing reveals the rapper appearing thinner and
grayer as he awaits his twenty twenty five trial for
sex trafficking charges.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Boohoo, no private chef.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Back to doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate warden at NDC
Metropolitan Detention Center where Comb's is housed, and to his chagrin,
Luigi Manngioni, the alleged healthcare assassin.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Who many people are saying he's a new.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Hot fello and blah blah. Okay, back to you, doctor Hendrix.
There is a certain honor among thieves, let me just
put it ephemistically, where inmates stick together unless they're offered
a sweet deal from prosecutors. But when the inmates turn
on you, you're up the creek without a paddle. I
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wonder when Combs first came whether the inmates were starstruck. Okay,
I mean it's a multi multi millionaire, some people claim
billionaire who everybody's heard of. But then after a while,
the honeymoon is over, and his constant antics and whining,
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demanding a tablet, wanting special food every other day, wanting
to go to the sick war, angry and sulking that
he's not already out of jail. That wears pretty thin
on everyone around you. What about it, doctor Hendrix.
Speaker 11 (24:55):
You're absolutely correct, And in terms of inmates being starstruck,
may have lasted five minutes, because after that, it makes
me give a rat's nostril about your status other than
the fact that what they can get out of you.
So unfortunately, he'll probably be extorted at some point if
he's not already, and if he's causing any issues or concerns.
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You know, sometimes they'll ask the staff to get them
off the unit, or they'll they'll say, hey, he's got
to go, or something may happen to him. So he
right now, I'm assuming he's probably in the unit with
inmates that are probably not violent in nature. But at
some point, if he is convicted of his crimes and
he goes to a prison, if he carries his behavior
(25:40):
with him where he may end up going, he's going
to have a really hard time surviving because again, if
he's convicted, these victims will receive a large payout, and
I don't know how much money he'll have left over
to pay for protection because he's not getting affiliated or
anything like that. Because again, he's painting himself as a
(26:01):
CEO and as someone as a businessman. So he's going
to have to pick his path, and right now, the
way he's behaving is not going to look very well
for him in the future.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
You know, you said something earlier, doctor Hendrix about his
refusing to come out of a sell and sulking in
there as being a delay tactic so he can't get
served lawsuits on other cases that are mounting.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
How do you do that behind bars? I mean, can't
they just hand you the documents in your jail cell.
Speaker 11 (26:34):
No, nat See, each state has rules on process serving
and as far as in the prison setting, as long
as the process service follows the rules for visitation of
the institution, there's no inmates they can refuse to come
to a visit, whether it's his family, friends, or associates,
so he does not have to leave his unit to
come down to the visiting room. However, once the process
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servers have done all that they can can do and
they went through that process, obviously, we know he has
a team of attorneys retained, so at this point they're
probably going to serve his legal team, and I think
that's I know this to be a little bit of
a delay in terms of the process of the lawsuits,
but at some point his legal team will be served
(27:19):
these papers, and this uh, these losses will move forward
without him officially being served. Behind bars.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
A frenzy of documentaries purporting to tell the real story
of p Diddy as the infamous rapper and music mogul
sits behind bars.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
When Diddy Sean Combe's Puff Daddy Puff Love was first
arrested and the federal indictment was revealed, we all discussed
the possibility that cohorts aka friends would have the choice
to either turn co defendant witness, unnamed conspirator. Well, it's
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all come true.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Listen.
Speaker 10 (28:02):
As many predicted, it appears Sean Comb's inner circle is
turning against him. An upcoming Peacock documentary, The Making of
a Bad Boy, a former makeup artist, intern bodyguard, and
both childhood and industry friends are recounting Ditty's eyebrow raising behavior.
Many of the associates interviewed for the doc chose to
remain anonymous, including a man who claims underage women were
(28:25):
frequently in attendance at parties where red lights came on
to indicate sex was happening.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Caleb Brandley joining me, investigative reporter at large with the
biggest website apparently in the world, dailymail dot Com, and
star of the Trial of Ditty podcast Kill Again.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Thank you for being with us. What everybody knew? I
hated that when I.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Would be working up a case and I'd be talking
to the witness and then say, well, everybody knows. Everybody
knows is not admissible in court. Just because everybody knows
it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I mean, I can bring it in front of a jury.
But what is this.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Everybody knows that when Sean Combs would turn on a
red light, he was having sex and to stay away.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Nancy. I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say
it many times again. This was all an open secret
in Hollywood. You hear everyone coming out saying, oh, yeah,
Diddy's parties were crazy, and they used to say it
at the time. You know, there are videos that have
come up of people saying, oh, you know what happens
at Diddy parties. So it was all there in front
(29:32):
of us. It's just now when there's finally an indictment
that it's coming in the legal form. So like you're
seeing in these documentaries, they are with unidentified people. One
woman she said that they said they could ship me
off and sell me to anyone. And then you have
this other unidentified man coming forward saying if the red
light's on, that means their sex happening with Ditty and
(29:56):
there are underage girls. So again, if these claims are true,
did he did not act a.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Lot crime stories with Nancy Grace?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I am telling you what.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Wendy Patrick, prosecutor, author star of Today with Doctor Wendy
KCBQ San Diego, Wendy, I know a lot of people
have a prurient interest in what we're talking about. I
see it all as evidence. I can't help it. That's
how I'm programmed. Now, what jar that has a daughter,
(30:41):
a sister, a granddaughter, a wife is going to sit
by and hear evidence that Diddy would actually turn on
a red light for people to say to see to
warn them away that he was having sex purportedly with
a minor.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I'm flabbergasted.
Speaker 12 (31:02):
Yeah, you know, Nancy, this is going to be the
brutal reality of finally moving this very sordid tale into
a court of law instead of trying it in the
court of public opinion.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
And when you talk about the reality of how modern jurors,
regardless of who they are, they know someone whether it's
a family member, a friend, a coworker, who they worry
might be victimized in this fashion who they worry might
have been, because this is another illustration of safety in
numbers only. When the dominoes began to fall, much like
(31:34):
Harvey Weinstein and others at the beginning of the revival
of the Me Too movement in twenty seventeen. Only when
others began coming forward were we exposed to what was
really going on in this glamorized subculture. We'll call it
that because there's wilful blindness, no doubt among some of
is we'll call them unindicted co conspirators that they saw
(31:54):
it and did nothing. But anybody that might have witnessed
what in retrospect they should have known or did know
was just brutally illegal exploitive conduct of minors. All of
that is going to come to light in a court
of law. And you know, as far as the antics
behind bars right now, all that that's going to be
is a distraction. We want jers in that courtroom to
(32:16):
hear from people that were there, who knew, who saw,
and that's going to be very explosive. And you know,
the trial's coming up in May, so we're going to
have to wait till then to see who does come forward.
But yes, it is not going to be pretty when
this all shakes out in a court of law.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Lynn Shaw, Founder executive director Lynn's Warriors. Lynn, that is
so brazen, if true, that Combs would actually turn on
a red light visible from the outside of the bedroom
to warm people he was having underage sex and to
not come in.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Just imagine it.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I mean, I've got a teen girl and a teen
boy who I believe anyway are innocence. Okay, imagine sitting
on a jury. I mean, it's making my blood boil
just thinking.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
About the brazen nature of warning everybody don't come in,
and they all just stood by and let it hoppen. Limb.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Everybody's blood should be boiling with this spoiled bad boy.
I mean, after all, he called his company bad Boy Entertainment.
He told us who he was and is, and you
know what distraction? Distraction distraction with these.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I will come out of my cell.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
I don't want the peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I
want to remind everybody January is National Human Trafficking Awareness
and Prevention Month. Let's really talk about that. Let's really
talk about the kids, Let's really talk about the education there.
Maybe how if we can root out behind the scenes
the miners, the women that were involved in this and
protect them so they will talk, we can have some
(33:53):
lessons learned from this whole thing. This cannot continue.
Speaker 13 (33:56):
Philip Pines, a former personal wacky for Sean Comb's claims,
in lawsuit that he was tasked with setting up for
Wild King Knights at hotels, which involved bringing red lights,
ice buckets, alcohol, marijuana, joints, honey packs for male libido,
baby oil, astro glide, towels, illegal drugs, and powered sex
toys to Combs's room for sometimes days long escapades. Pines
(34:20):
says he was expected to be on call for any
additional needs during the exploits, and Combs even pressured him
to join afterwards. Pines was charged with cleaning up the mess,
deleting any incriminating photos or video from Combs's devices, and
leaving hotel staff large tips to avoid paying extra bills
for damages.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Oh my stars, I am my investigator.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Ernest would be all over this guy, Like, why on
rice did you hear that?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Kileibrowley dailymail dot com.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Philip Pines, who worked directly with Combs, claims and a
lawsuit that he was tasked with setting up Wild King
Nights at hotels bringing the red lights.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
That must be where this information is coming from?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
About the red lights, ice buckets, alcohol, marijuana, honey packs
for men to keep an erection, baby oil, astro glide, towels, drugs, sex, toys.
He would be on call throughout for this isn't the
right word sex parties. I don't think all the women
(35:32):
thought it was a.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Party that would last for days.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Then he would have to clean up and tip everybody
at the hotel to avoid extra bills for all the damage.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Oh man, I'd put this guy under lock and.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Key, I do whatever I had to do to get
him on deposition, you name it, so he can't get
out of his testimony or face charges of perjury.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Is this completely in line with everything else we've been
hearing these very orchestrated parties, That it took a lot
of planning, a lot of baby oil which was found
at his home, and took a lot of people to
really get this going. And then not only was it
the prep, there were people during the parties that were
(36:18):
on call, and then even the people after to make
sure things were cleaned up, which makes everything look again
like an orchestrated experience. And you have people getting Ditty's
phone to delete anything incriminating, so again with knowledge that
this was an illegal act or at least very damaging
(36:39):
to his reputation, to delete any evidence. So again this
shows that this was not just didty acting alone, that
it was an orchestrated process.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, there's more, all of these people now speaking out
in various lawsuits in these documentaries, And what about allegations
that Combs would actually hire party sex trolls to scope
out under age victims.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
Listen, Sean Ditty Combs reportedly hired a team of men
to patrol his parties for possible hookups for the mogul.
A woman only identified as Lisa say she was separated
from her music exec husband speaking with a friend at
a two thousand and four Ditty White party when a
man approached the women inviting them to hang out with
Combs after the event. When the man said it would
(37:27):
be intimate time, Lisa got a bad feeling and refused,
but her friend did attend. Afterwards, she refused to speak
about the experience, only saying she should not have gone.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Chris McDonough joining me, not only former homicide detective three
hundred homicides under his belt, but former vice Chris McDonough.
These documentaries and.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
These lawsuits are handing over witnesses to the Feds on
a silver platter on top of the Christmas tree for
Pete's sake, And what is boggling to me is that
people stood by and let this happen. You know, you've
got party sextuals going out and trying to rope in
(38:08):
women to have intimate time with Sean Combs. After the
party in chief, you have a hitch person paying off
hotel security and cleaning up and deleting incriminating cell video.
I mean, you know what, as I've told the twins,
you smell a joint, you leave.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Why can people stand by and let this happen to victims?
Speaker 6 (38:35):
You know, that's a great question, Nancy. But what it's
revealing is as these individuals start to roll on him
the signature that he utilized, i e. Power control, you know,
that assertiveness. Remember, his goal through this whole situation has
always been about leaving trauma and physical and emotional abuse
(38:59):
to his victim. Homology here, this guy could care less
about women, about children. And as these individuals roll, like
doctor Hendrick said a little bit ago, he has to
be very careful because you started adding the dynamics of
pedophilia into this play, There's going to be a lot
of guys loading socks with you know, soap in the
(39:23):
jail system. That will give him something else to think about. Schoel.
He's on very very thin ice. As this goes forward,
you know.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Karen start joining me, high profile psychologists joining us from Manhattan. Today, Karen,
I've put many a witness on the stand, and.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I just had a hole my nose.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You know, all the witnesses are not going to be
nuns and priests and virgins, as you've heard me say
a million times, but witnesses that were there that stood
by and did nothing when this was happening. You know, sometimes, Karen,
you got to go to hell to get the witness
to put the devil in jail.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
And that's what's happening right here.
Speaker 14 (40:04):
Yeah, they're going to have to use people who participate
in Nancy, But it really does show you the power
that this guy had, his ability, the narcissism, that he
was able to break the law to do things and
get people to do these things for him. So many
people were terrified of his power and what the repercussions
(40:25):
would be.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
And so yeah, they're going to.
Speaker 14 (40:27):
Have to get a lot of people who participated, But
I get it because he was so strong and powerful.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Diddy Jelly. Apparently Shawn Colmbs.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Explodes when assassin Luigi Mangioni arrives a Diddy tantrum.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
He's refusing to leave.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
His cell after he hears for the first time in life,
no jailhouse guards say no to his demands. As we learn,
ditty sex trolls scoping crowds for sex victims during parties.
This as damning ditty documentaries hit the airwaves. Who's taking
notes the Feds? I'm Nancy Grease, this is Crime Stories,
(00:44):
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
A frenzy of documentaries purporting to tell the real story
of p Diddy as the infamous rapper and music mogul
sits behind bars.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
The real story, my rear end. The real story is
going to be told in court. But regarding those documentaries,
as I said, who's taking notes the Feds? Don't you
know They've got some intern tasked with watching every one
of these documentaries hitting the air, trolling and combing every
(01:16):
single word for new evidence and or witnesses. It's happening
this after they all but guarantee there are going to
be more charges.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Speaking of the dogs, listen, Sean Colmes is a monster.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I want to speak about this now because I've witnessed everything.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I think Shawn Conbs can get away with anything.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
That was the sentiment for many, many years that Shawn
Combs aka Diddy aka Puff Daddy aka Puff aka Puffy
aka Love It goes on and on that he could
get away with anything. And it was only after that
that Cassie Ventura video emerged of him beating, beating her,
(02:05):
chasing her down in a public hallway of a ritzy hotel.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Did defense finally finally do something? But they have?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You just saw that from Peacock's documentary special on Ditty,
The Making of a Bad Boy.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
But there's more. Listen.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
There were rumblings about Ditty's bad behavior for years.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Federal officers spent hours of moving firearms, computers, foxes.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
And bags a massive show of force.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Cassie claimed Diddy was often violent. There's a lot of
things people fear. I know what's gone on, A whole lot.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Of people do.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Are we all perfect?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
It's a stunning downfall.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So I was taking notes right there about that one
female witness who she I want to know her name
and address?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
And don't you know the Feds agree.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Now, that's from my friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ.
That documentary is called The Downfall of Didty, and that's
now streaming.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Free on TV.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Hey fans, you don't even have to buy a subscription
to see that one. Go ahead, get your legal pads
ready and start taking notes, you, federal prosecutor, interns and more.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Listen, this is.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
The type of indictment you would expect from someone in
the mafia.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I don't know that I could keep him off the stand.
He is very eager to tell his story.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
They're going to show that video over and over and
over about what happens to women that won't change their stories.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
His reputation is over the United States government.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
They start making this case as a takedown of a
successful black man. TMZ presents The Downfall of Ditty, the
indictment now streaming on two B.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Instead of sitting in his cell sulking and pouting and
antagonizing the guards and whining about Luigi Manngioni, the healthcare boss,
assassin getting excuse me, assassin, getting all the attention and
being crowned king of the jail cell, instead of that,
he needs to tell his lawyer to put a sock
in it because that lawyer anfellow just tipped his hand
(04:16):
about one direction in which the defense is going again.
That was from our friend Harvey Levin. Ever at TMZ
their doc The Downfall of Diddy, and it's free on
TB FEDS.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
It's free.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You don't have to pay for it as a former FED, Okay,
they give you no money all right to prosecute your case.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You can get all those witnesses names for free. So
what does this mean?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of
what we are learning right now from all of the documentaries.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But let's just take a peek at one more.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
Disturbing video that Showshan Jiddy Coombs kicking, shoving and dragging.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
His actual finds.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
If she was scared of him?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I think so?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Were you scared of him?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah? My sense was that everybody around him he was
afraid of him.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Afraid of Shawn Hon Yeah, why because he's explosive.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
Didn's Downfall now streaming on Hulu.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And another one that's for our friends at ABC did
his Downfall nightline. Jumping in on it again with me
and All a Star Panel.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I want to go first to long.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Time investigator and now colleague colleague Chris McDonough, Director Cold
Case Research, Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, worked over
three hundred homicides.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Weren't you also vice at one point? Chris?
Speaker 6 (05:38):
Yes, I was, Nancy yep, okay years write that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Also, this is where I found him after his twenty
five year career in l E law enforcement. He is
a star of a YouTube channel, The Interview Room. Chris,
how hard did we have to beat the streets to
find witnesses?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Talk about a polar vortex.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I remember being out on the street, literally banging on
doors with my investigator, trying to find witnesses. Of course
they could see us coming a mile away, pulling up
in our Crown Vic. Nobody would come to the door,
but we had to try. Right, the fans could just
sit back and watch all these documentaries. And by the way,
Caleb Brandley, Dana Mill, I'm talking about you girl and
(06:24):
your podcast A Trial of Diddy. But Chris McDonough, they're
getting witnesses handed over on a silver platter with all
of these documentaries. Hey, I wonder if Diddy's getting Hulu
by bars.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
You know, Nancy, we talked about this on your show
multiple times. I mean, as you've been covering this case,
you know the problem here that he has, and you've
projected it that it was coming. His ego is so big,
and he's what we would call a power assertive offender
and he can't control it. But it goes to show
(07:01):
you how much intimidation factor he had into that ego
where he could control all of these people until he
was locked up.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Wendy Patrick joining me, high profile California prosecutor, President founder
black Swan Verdicts, author of Why Bad Looks Good. Second
book Reading People, How to understand people and predict their behavior.
I like that one. You've got so many books. I
don't have time to talk about all of them, Wendy,
but thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Wendy. What is agna Fello doing?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean, I know Combs has added on to his
defense team, but cardinal rule and you know, here's a
high profile lawyer that Nesa never says the word Bean
Broffman fire in trouble.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I would hire him. He's a street fighter, but he
never speaks to the press. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So, first thing that the elected district attorney told me
once I got my own courtroom, don't talk to the
press about your cases. He said it in a nice way,
but that's you're shooting yourself in the foot by doing
that with all these dogs. And he keeps talking, he's
giving away, he's tipping his hand.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Oh, what the defense will be?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You know, we always used to say a closed mouth
gathers no foot, and that is a great idea in
mantra to live by when in fact, you're on the
defense side of a case that's so high profile or
even Nancy, when you're the prosecutor and you want to
make sure that the case is tried with integrity in
a courtroom, not in the court of public opinion, but
when you have such a high profile client. And I
(08:41):
used to be a criminal defense decades ago. But that's
the type of thing that you have to be very
careful about because everyone's looking and with much curiosity about
what the defense is going to be.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
What could it possibly be?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
If the prosecution is patterns make the predator, well, then
it's almost very difficult to try to figure out how
do you best counter all of that evidence? And like
you say, more every day, all you have to do
is watch these free YouTube channels. How are you going
to counter that? And if you have a plan, it's
probably not the wisest thing to say it in public,
(09:15):
even though the court of public opinion unfortunately expects something
from the defense.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
That's the balance.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Hey, you know, I heard Agnefello blurt out, I can't
keep him off the stand.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I don't want to help out Diddy because the evidence
is mounting against him. So who am I supposed to
believe all these women or him?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Okay, but.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Putting Sean Combs on the stand would be a prosecutor's
dream come true.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Dream come true. Go on, Agnafello, go ahead and put
it on this. Put him on the stand.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Although I don't know that Agnefello can stand up to
Shawn Combs in court. Comes might take the stand over
and the fellow's advice, that.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Said is ditty jelly.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Apparently Seawn Comb's jealous after the healthcare assassin Luigi Mangioni.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
No love lost between me and Mangioni.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
But that said, he's angry that Mangioni has apparently been
crowned miss Sweet Potato Queen at the MDC.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
Reports from sources inside Metropolitan Center say Diddy is furious
that alleged CEO murderer Luigi Mangioni is getting more attention
behind bars. Diddy has allegedly been throwing tantrums, claiming he
is innocent of sex trafficking, yet he continues getting so
much hate inside the lock up, while Luigi gets so
(10:45):
much love. Reports say, prisoners apparently love Mangioni, giving him
support and sharing their stories of losing loved ones due
to inadequate healthcare.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Any meenie, miney moe, Which baguy do I love the most?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
That's what's happening behind bars? Are you kidding? Joining me?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Reporter at large for the Dailymail dot Com, also host
of have a brand new podcast that's hitting the charts,
The Trial of Ditty Caleb Brantley.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Is this real? Actually?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
At first I thought no, somebody made that up. But
I can actually see Sean Combs angry. He's not the
king of the sale block anymore.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I mean, this is the crossover event of the century.
At the MDC. You have Diddy and Luigi Mangioni locked
up together. Our sources say that they haven't quite met yet,
though they do share a legal team, but that Diddy
is absolutely furious that he's been throwing tantrums and if anything,
this just goes to show his inflated ego and how
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he feels. You know, he has the name Love that
he should be loved and adored. Meanwhile, Luigi allegedly shot
someone in cold blood on camera. So to Diddy, he
doesn't get it.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
He's saying, you know, I am innocent.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yet you have this guy allegedly on camera killing somebody.
How is he being revered as a hero and Diddy's
a villain too?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Lynn Shaw joining me, founder executive director Lynz Warriors, Who's
having none of this. Linn's Warriors is dedicated to eradicating
sex trafficking and the abuse of sex victims. Also host
of Linz Warriors on YouTube. Lynn Shaw, thank you for
being with us. What about this a celebrity hair fight
(12:31):
behind bars between Sean Combs and Luigi MANGIONI is.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Diddy jelly what? I've never heard anything like it in
my life, But apparently that's the word.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
That's the word I'm hearing also. But I have to
tell you, Nancy, I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted with this whole thing.
Boo hoo hoo. This dirty ditty hot dog on a
bun in a jail cell. That's a lot more food
than victims and survivors we work with get served on
a daily basis. As far as Luigi, another distraction because
(13:02):
I live right down the street from where that horrible
event took place, and you know what, an hour later,
people were just walking over the spot in New York
City And this is what we're talking about and celebrating.
How about the focus. I ultimately believe this Diddy case
will come down to it's going to be very tough children,
minors where they brought over state lines sex trafficking. So
(13:24):
that's where I think everybody should be going in and
really trying to find victims, voices and hear their stories.
I realize everybody's coming out of the woodwork right now,
but a little too late. However, I think that's the angle.
Why why did everybody wait decades? What can you imagine
if one of these women came forward very quietly and tried,
(13:46):
Now they did, There were a couple of cases they
did say they tried, nobody would listen to them. Why
why can't we switch that up and go in and
find kids? Because so many have told me over the
decades about dirty and still nobody did anything about it.
I asked why.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Now I can tell you why, Lenshaw.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I know this may be hard for a lot of
people to believe, but I didn't speak out when I
was a prosecutor about a judge that hit on me
over and over and over. He walked me to my
car one night and actually kissed me right on the mouth.
I'm like, oh, did I complain?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I mean, I immediately, just in my car.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I went by and laughed and avoided him as much
as I could. But I feared for my cases. I
feared for my cases that if I complained, other judges
that were his friends would hold that against.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Me and take it out on my victims.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So I figured, one kiss on the lips, that's a
small price to pay for not worrying every time I
struck a jury, Is it right?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Hblel in, Oh, it's not right. I mean, I get it,
but I get it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
But Nancy, it was very much alive in me that
somehow my victims would suffer.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
Yeah, But Nancy, and the wake of the last couple
of years in the Me Too movement, we should have
heard something a little bit more before this Cassi Ventura
video came out. I mean, I had women, but I
didn't have proof about any of this, that this was
actually happening, so I couldn't step forward. I urged them
and they would not do it. And I'm going back
again to Harvey Weinstein when all that was breaking open,
(15:31):
and they still wouldn't come forward. But if we had
just one one victim that would have come forward, I
have to ask again, it's very easy right now for
everybody to create specials and cash in on the dirty
ditty story. But where were they when all this was
going on. I remained, If we don't change the way
we think about victims survivors, we are not going to
(15:53):
get anywhere. And if this guy gets away with this,
I don't know, victims and survivors will never ever come
forward because they will see when somebody has power and
money and attention like this, they don't matter.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Shawn Comb's unhappy with you found attention garnered by suspected
CEO killer. Luigi Mangioni whispers from inside the MDC.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Not necessarily whispers anymore, it's full out being stated and
reported that Shawn Combs is jelly jealous.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Ever, Luigi Mangioni, Okay, I don't care about that, but I.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Find it really interesting that he's having his sulky powdy
stunts where he refuses to come out of his jail
because he's angry.
Speaker 9 (16:44):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace Sean Diddy. Combs may be
feeling forgotten buying bars. The moguls holidays have been described
as bleak, with equally dismal holiday meals to match, including
a state acon g subserved on a hot dog Biden.
Combs missed his twins eighteenth first day, which they marked
(17:05):
with a casual yacht trip to Saint Bart's, and now
Combs isn't even the most high profile inmate at the MDC.
Comb's reportedly reeling over this support inmates show CEO killer
Luigi Mangioni while he's been shunned over federal sex trafficking allegations.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
What is wrong with investigative reporter Davematt from Crime online
dot Com. He just said Combs's twins went to a
casual yacht trip to St to Saint Bart's.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Casual? What uh okay?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Let me go straight out to special guests joining us.
Doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate warden at Brooklyn's MDC Metropolitan
Detention Center.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
He is the author of who Are You See It?
Say It, Seize It?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And he's got a website, guys, New day Lightfoundation dot com.
Doctor Hendrix, thank you for joining us. There's so much
more to your CVB.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I gotta get to dandy.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I can't read three pages of all of your accomplishments,
Doctor Hendricks. Did you hear that the wardens finally told
Sean Combs the dreaded n O. They got tired of
his stunts and he had a meltdown?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Hey, listen, doctor Hendricks.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
Sources from the MDC claim Combs had a meltdown in
prison over the holidays, distraught that he remains behind bars.
A panished Combs reportedly begged guards to take him to
the prison hospital, claiming he was having a breakdown in
meet say, when guards refuse his request, the rapper spent
several hours using meditation techniques to calm himself down. Observers
(18:45):
at recent court hearings say prison and meal refusals appear
to be taking a toll on Combs, who looks astonishingly
thinner and grayer.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Again, all I can say is, of course he's thinner
and grayer. That's because he doesn't have a private chef
cooking every meal for him. Don't you recall a PR
guru that joined us a few weeks ago stated that
Shawn Comes would demand cheesecake at four am, and get it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I mean that was just a tiny example. Of course,
he's thinner.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He's having to eat three regular meals like the rest
of us, and he's not being served on a silver platter,
and boohoo, killer Brantley, his gray is showing.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
That's because he's not having a weekly touch up with
his private hair dresser. Am I supposed to feel bad
about that? Kila?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Well, Nancy, He's innocent until proven guilty, So no, you
don't have to feel bad.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
But I like you, and I respect your podcasts, and
I respect how much work and research you put into
every single article, podcast appearance. But I didn't ask you that.
Of course, it goes without saying Sean Comes is presumed
he is innocent, not just presumed, he is innocent until
(20:00):
he has been proven guilty in a court of law
before a jury of his peers. That standard is very
high in a criminal case. It is beyond a reasonable doubt.
What is a reasonable doubt, calib Brantley. It is not
a mathematical certainty such as two and two equals four,
(20:21):
But it is not an improbability. It is a probability,
a doubt based on reason.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
That's the only thing the state has to avoid. So
of course he's in a cent until proven guilty.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I ask you, why are people making a big deal
about him being thinner and grayer?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Well, I think there's just so much attention on this case,
and people are so curious about how someone's lifestyle can
just go from being you know, at the peak the
pinnacle you have everything, you have luxury, to then going
completely to bottom of the barrel. So for any random
Joe Schmoe who gets locked up, no, you know, eating
(21:01):
these three regular subpar meals a day is nothing, but
the interest is.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Dait a minute, wait wa, whoa whoa, whoa whoa? Hold on, little.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Girl, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix, I do not call steak on
a bun sub par. It's not tony, somebody would give
me steak on a bun.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
What about it, Hendricks?
Speaker 11 (21:23):
Well, apparently they must have run out of cheesesteaks. But
putting the meal on the hot dog bun. He just
needs to eat his meal and keep quiet in terms
of him out well, in terms of him having a
meltdown and telling the staff that he wants to go
to the hospital. I can tell you we used to
(21:43):
send inmates to the hospital for hangail. So apparently he's
just trying to get out of the institution and they're
just having no parts of it.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
There's a there's an old saying in prison, if you
mind your own you live long. So he needs to
stop worrying about Luigi MAGNGIONI gets focused on his particular
case because I'm also hearing that he refuses to leave
the cell to come down to the busiting room to
be served these additional lawsuits, and it's not going to
stop anything. It's going to delay it a little bit.
(22:14):
But he needs to get focused on what he needs
to do to fight for his freedom. Invite these allegations.
But the more he acts up, the more he panders,
and the more he cries, he just appears to be guilty.
And I know he's got to be proven guilty in
the court of law, but his actions are very devaike
and it's not winning him any friends in that institution
(22:38):
or any other future institution that he may find himself in.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
The future, and you know what's interesting, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix
former says you a warden at NDC where Combs is housed.
In addition to that and being a doctor and an author,
I guess you're also clairvoyant listen.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
In addition into refusing meals, there are reports that Sean
Diddy Combs refuses to leave his cell in order to
avoid being served with more lawsuits. Attorney Tony Buzby says
Combe's refusal to accept service in two cases has caused
significant delays, resulting in canceled hearings with three new accusers. Finally,
in the last three weeks, the mogul is now facing
(23:19):
forty one individual lawsuits, all but one alleging sexual assault.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Didy's latest court hearing reveals the rapper appearing thinner and
grayer as he awaits his twenty twenty five trial for
sex trafficking charges.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Boohoo, no private chef.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Back to doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate warden at NDC
Metropolitan Detention Center where Comb's is housed, and to his chagrin,
Luigi Manngioni, the alleged healthcare assassin.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Who many people are saying he's a new.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Hot fello and blah blah. Okay, back to you, doctor Hendrix.
There is a certain honor among thieves, let me just
put it ephemistically, where inmates stick together unless they're offered
a sweet deal from prosecutors. But when the inmates turn
on you, you're up the creek without a paddle. I
(24:18):
wonder when Combs first came whether the inmates were starstruck. Okay,
I mean it's a multi multi millionaire, some people claim
billionaire who everybody's heard of. But then after a while,
the honeymoon is over, and his constant antics and whining,
(24:40):
demanding a tablet, wanting special food every other day, wanting
to go to the sick war, angry and sulking that
he's not already out of jail. That wears pretty thin
on everyone around you. What about it, doctor Hendrix.
Speaker 11 (24:55):
You're absolutely correct, And in terms of inmates being starstruck,
may have lasted five minutes, because after that, it makes
me give a rat's nostril about your status other than
the fact that what they can get out of you.
So unfortunately, he'll probably be extorted at some point if
he's not already, and if he's causing any issues or concerns.
(25:18):
You know, sometimes they'll ask the staff to get them
off the unit, or they'll they'll say, hey, he's got
to go, or something may happen to him. So he
right now, I'm assuming he's probably in the unit with
inmates that are probably not violent in nature. But at
some point, if he is convicted of his crimes and
he goes to a prison, if he carries his behavior
(25:40):
with him where he may end up going, he's going
to have a really hard time surviving because again, if
he's convicted, these victims will receive a large payout, and
I don't know how much money he'll have left over
to pay for protection because he's not getting affiliated or
anything like that. Because again, he's painting himself as a
(26:01):
CEO and as someone as a businessman. So he's going
to have to pick his path, and right now, the
way he's behaving is not going to look very well
for him in the future.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
You know, you said something earlier, doctor Hendrix about his
refusing to come out of a sell and sulking in
there as being a delay tactic so he can't get
served lawsuits on other cases that are mounting.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
How do you do that behind bars? I mean, can't
they just hand you the documents in your jail cell.
Speaker 11 (26:34):
No, nat See, each state has rules on process serving
and as far as in the prison setting, as long
as the process service follows the rules for visitation of
the institution, there's no inmates they can refuse to come
to a visit, whether it's his family, friends, or associates,
so he does not have to leave his unit to
come down to the visiting room. However, once the process
(26:57):
servers have done all that they can can do and
they went through that process, obviously, we know he has
a team of attorneys retained, so at this point they're
probably going to serve his legal team, and I think
that's I know this to be a little bit of
a delay in terms of the process of the lawsuits,
but at some point his legal team will be served
(27:19):
these papers, and this uh, these losses will move forward
without him officially being served. Behind bars.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
A frenzy of documentaries purporting to tell the real story
of p Diddy as the infamous rapper and music mogul
sits behind bars.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
When Diddy Sean Combe's Puff Daddy Puff Love was first
arrested and the federal indictment was revealed, we all discussed
the possibility that cohorts aka friends would have the choice
to either turn co defendant witness, unnamed conspirator. Well, it's
(28:01):
all come true.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Listen.
Speaker 10 (28:02):
As many predicted, it appears Sean Comb's inner circle is
turning against him. An upcoming Peacock documentary, The Making of
a Bad Boy, a former makeup artist, intern bodyguard, and
both childhood and industry friends are recounting Ditty's eyebrow raising behavior.
Many of the associates interviewed for the doc chose to
remain anonymous, including a man who claims underage women were
(28:25):
frequently in attendance at parties where red lights came on
to indicate sex was happening.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Caleb Brandley joining me, investigative reporter at large with the
biggest website apparently in the world, dailymail dot Com, and
star of the Trial of Ditty podcast Kill Again.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Thank you for being with us. What everybody knew? I
hated that when I.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Would be working up a case and I'd be talking
to the witness and then say, well, everybody knows. Everybody
knows is not admissible in court. Just because everybody knows
it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I mean, I can bring it in front of a jury.
But what is this.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Everybody knows that when Sean Combs would turn on a
red light, he was having sex and to stay away.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Nancy. I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say
it many times again. This was all an open secret
in Hollywood. You hear everyone coming out saying, oh, yeah,
Diddy's parties were crazy, and they used to say it
at the time. You know, there are videos that have
come up of people saying, oh, you know what happens
at Diddy parties. So it was all there in front
(29:32):
of us. It's just now when there's finally an indictment
that it's coming in the legal form. So like you're
seeing in these documentaries, they are with unidentified people. One
woman she said that they said they could ship me
off and sell me to anyone. And then you have
this other unidentified man coming forward saying if the red
light's on, that means their sex happening with Ditty and
(29:56):
there are underage girls. So again, if these claims are true,
did he did not act a.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Lot crime stories with Nancy Grace?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I am telling you what.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Wendy Patrick, prosecutor, author star of Today with Doctor Wendy
KCBQ San Diego, Wendy, I know a lot of people
have a prurient interest in what we're talking about. I
see it all as evidence. I can't help it. That's
how I'm programmed. Now, what jar that has a daughter,
(30:41):
a sister, a granddaughter, a wife is going to sit
by and hear evidence that Diddy would actually turn on
a red light for people to say to see to
warn them away that he was having sex purportedly with
a minor.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I'm flabbergasted.
Speaker 12 (31:02):
Yeah, you know, Nancy, this is going to be the
brutal reality of finally moving this very sordid tale into
a court of law instead of trying it in the
court of public opinion.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
And when you talk about the reality of how modern jurors,
regardless of who they are, they know someone whether it's
a family member, a friend, a coworker, who they worry
might be victimized in this fashion who they worry might
have been, because this is another illustration of safety in
numbers only. When the dominoes began to fall, much like
(31:34):
Harvey Weinstein and others at the beginning of the revival
of the Me Too movement in twenty seventeen. Only when
others began coming forward were we exposed to what was
really going on in this glamorized subculture. We'll call it
that because there's wilful blindness, no doubt among some of
is we'll call them unindicted co conspirators that they saw
(31:54):
it and did nothing. But anybody that might have witnessed
what in retrospect they should have known or did know
was just brutally illegal exploitive conduct of minors. All of
that is going to come to light in a court
of law. And you know, as far as the antics
behind bars right now, all that that's going to be
is a distraction. We want jers in that courtroom to
(32:16):
hear from people that were there, who knew, who saw,
and that's going to be very explosive. And you know,
the trial's coming up in May, so we're going to
have to wait till then to see who does come forward.
But yes, it is not going to be pretty when
this all shakes out in a court of law.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Lynn Shaw, Founder executive director Lynn's Warriors. Lynn, that is
so brazen, if true, that Combs would actually turn on
a red light visible from the outside of the bedroom
to warm people he was having underage sex and to
not come in.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Just imagine it.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I mean, I've got a teen girl and a teen
boy who I believe anyway are innocence. Okay, imagine sitting
on a jury. I mean, it's making my blood boil
just thinking.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
About the brazen nature of warning everybody don't come in,
and they all just stood by and let it hoppen. Limb.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Everybody's blood should be boiling with this spoiled bad boy.
I mean, after all, he called his company bad Boy Entertainment.
He told us who he was and is, and you
know what distraction? Distraction distraction with these.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I will come out of my cell.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
I don't want the peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I
want to remind everybody January is National Human Trafficking Awareness
and Prevention Month. Let's really talk about that. Let's really
talk about the kids, Let's really talk about the education there.
Maybe how if we can root out behind the scenes
the miners, the women that were involved in this and
protect them so they will talk, we can have some
(33:53):
lessons learned from this whole thing. This cannot continue.
Speaker 13 (33:56):
Philip Pines, a former personal wacky for Sean Comb's claims,
in lawsuit that he was tasked with setting up for
Wild King Knights at hotels, which involved bringing red lights,
ice buckets, alcohol, marijuana, joints, honey packs for male libido,
baby oil, astro glide, towels, illegal drugs, and powered sex
toys to Combs's room for sometimes days long escapades. Pines
(34:20):
says he was expected to be on call for any
additional needs during the exploits, and Combs even pressured him
to join afterwards. Pines was charged with cleaning up the mess,
deleting any incriminating photos or video from Combs's devices, and
leaving hotel staff large tips to avoid paying extra bills
for damages.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Oh my stars, I am my investigator.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Ernest would be all over this guy, Like, why on
rice did you hear that?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Kileibrowley dailymail dot com.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Philip Pines, who worked directly with Combs, claims and a
lawsuit that he was tasked with setting up Wild King
Nights at hotels bringing the red lights.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
That must be where this information is coming from?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
About the red lights, ice buckets, alcohol, marijuana, honey packs
for men to keep an erection, baby oil, astro glide, towels, drugs, sex, toys.
He would be on call throughout for this isn't the
right word sex parties. I don't think all the women
(35:32):
thought it was a.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Party that would last for days.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Then he would have to clean up and tip everybody
at the hotel to avoid extra bills for all the damage.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Oh man, I'd put this guy under lock and.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Key, I do whatever I had to do to get
him on deposition, you name it, so he can't get
out of his testimony or face charges of perjury.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Is this completely in line with everything else we've been
hearing these very orchestrated parties, That it took a lot
of planning, a lot of baby oil which was found
at his home, and took a lot of people to
really get this going. And then not only was it
the prep, there were people during the parties that were
(36:18):
on call, and then even the people after to make
sure things were cleaned up, which makes everything look again
like an orchestrated experience. And you have people getting Ditty's
phone to delete anything incriminating, so again with knowledge that
this was an illegal act or at least very damaging
(36:39):
to his reputation, to delete any evidence. So again this
shows that this was not just didty acting alone, that
it was an orchestrated process.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, there's more, all of these people now speaking out
in various lawsuits in these documentaries, And what about allegations
that Combs would actually hire party sex trolls to scope
out under age victims.
Speaker 9 (37:06):
Listen, Sean Ditty Combs reportedly hired a team of men
to patrol his parties for possible hookups for the mogul.
A woman only identified as Lisa say she was separated
from her music exec husband speaking with a friend at
a two thousand and four Ditty White party when a
man approached the women inviting them to hang out with
Combs after the event. When the man said it would
(37:27):
be intimate time, Lisa got a bad feeling and refused,
but her friend did attend. Afterwards, she refused to speak
about the experience, only saying she should not have gone.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Chris McDonough joining me, not only former homicide detective three
hundred homicides under his belt, but former vice Chris McDonough.
These documentaries and.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
These lawsuits are handing over witnesses to the Feds on
a silver platter on top of the Christmas tree for
Pete's sake, And what is boggling to me is that
people stood by and let this happen. You know, you've
got party sextuals going out and trying to rope in
(38:08):
women to have intimate time with Sean Combs. After the
party in chief, you have a hitch person paying off
hotel security and cleaning up and deleting incriminating cell video.
I mean, you know what, as I've told the twins,
you smell a joint, you leave.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Why can people stand by and let this happen to victims?
Speaker 6 (38:35):
You know, that's a great question, Nancy. But what it's
revealing is as these individuals start to roll on him
the signature that he utilized, i e. Power control, you know,
that assertiveness. Remember, his goal through this whole situation has
always been about leaving trauma and physical and emotional abuse
(38:59):
to his victim. Homology here, this guy could care less
about women, about children. And as these individuals roll, like
doctor Hendrick said a little bit ago, he has to
be very careful because you started adding the dynamics of
pedophilia into this play, There's going to be a lot
of guys loading socks with you know, soap in the
(39:23):
jail system. That will give him something else to think about. Schoel.
He's on very very thin ice. As this goes forward,
you know.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Karen start joining me, high profile psychologists joining us from Manhattan. Today, Karen,
I've put many a witness on the stand, and.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I just had a hole my nose.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You know, all the witnesses are not going to be
nuns and priests and virgins, as you've heard me say
a million times, but witnesses that were there that stood
by and did nothing when this was happening. You know, sometimes, Karen,
you got to go to hell to get the witness
to put the devil in jail.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
And that's what's happening right here.
Speaker 14 (40:04):
Yeah, they're going to have to use people who participate
in Nancy, But it really does show you the power
that this guy had, his ability, the narcissism, that he
was able to break the law to do things and
get people to do these things for him. So many
people were terrified of his power and what the repercussions
(40:25):
would be.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
And so yeah, they're going to.
Speaker 14 (40:27):
Have to get a lot of people who participated, But
I get it because he was so strong and powerful.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,
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