June 23, 2025 • 43 mins
Sean Diddy Combs' unsettling response to watching 'freak-off' tapes in a private part of court catches the attention of those around him in court.
The rap mogul allegedly licks his lips and rubs his hands together after watching a 'freak-off' tape. The disgraced music mogul asks for extra time to watch tapes of his ex-girlfriend, Cassandra Ventura, having sex with male escorts while Combs watched. Diddy's defense lawyers say the videos prove the rapper was having consensual sex rather than committing crimes.
As Diddy's trial comes to a close, he grants full access to his biggest Hollywood supporter, Kanye West, who is supporting the disgraced rapper. During Kanye's first appearance, the "gold digger" rapper was escorted to an overflow room. Combs then adds West to his guest list and reports suggest West may attend the trial again as the defense presents their case.
The jury could start deliberating as early as Friday, Sean "Diddy" Combs' lawyer, Teny Geragos, tells the judge. Geragos says the defense and prosecution will each take a minimum of four hours delivering closing arguments which may begin as early Thursday.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Troy Slaten - Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney, Slaten Lawyers; X@TroySlaten
- Dr. Bethany Marshall -) Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away” Also featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
- Tom Smith - Former NYPD Detective for 30 years - Narcotics, Robbery Squad, Gang Investigations - [was also assigned to the FBI/NYPD Joint Terrorism Task Force. Co-Host of the GOLD SHIELDS Podcast]; FB & Instagram: @thegoldshieldshow
- Dani Pinter - Senior Vice President and Director of Law Center, National Center on Sexual Exploitation, website: endsexualexploitation.org
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, Former Publicist of Sean Combs, IG: @naughtygossip
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on YouTube; YouTube: @TisaTells, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss
- Lauren Conlin - Investigative Journalist, Host of The Outlier Podcast, and also Host of "Corruption: What Happened to Grant Solomon; X- @Conlin_Lauren/ Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin/YouTube- @LaurenConlin4
- Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Didty perv Shawn Comes caught
licking his lips and rubbing his hands together, demanding extra
time for the Cassie Free Cough sex scene objection. Ow
(00:24):
and Didty testified once in a criminal case and he
was acquitted. Will he do it again? And tonight Ditty's revenge?
The state bracing for the Ditty defense. I'm means he grease.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. Forty six thousand, seven hundred and eighty
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six safety.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Pay on damages to a penthouse for one day.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Instruments of violence that might have been in that room so.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Much maybe oil, There were actually two slip and.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Falls, whips, maybe knives.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Maybe they were sitting on top of freak off jerms.
The state is plowing through its last witnesses in court
with me an all star panel to make sense of
what we are learning from the courtroom today. But first
straight out to the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Standing by is
Tisa Tails. She is a pop culture investigator and star
off Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa what happened today today?
(01:23):
We found out some interesting stubs.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
First of all, this All Star defense they promised to
put on has seemed to fall apart.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Diddy has actually gone from saying it's.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Going to be four weeks to two weeks to three.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
To five days today expect to wrap up in one day.
They're also showing even more freak off tapes, and Diddy
is loving every second of it. He has been looking
his lists, he has been begging from her time. Today
he got so flustered from what was being shown on screen.
He leaned in, got flustered, took his glasses off, lead
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and closer, dropping to the floor.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Diddy is having a.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Little bit too much fun for my pace, but you
know what we need to get in there.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Wait wait, wait, wait, phrase phrase, halt repeat. Okay, you're
saying he's having too much fun watching Cassie Ventura, the
so called love of his life, right behind the other
love of his life, cam Porter, watching her with a
male sex worker.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I know he was licking his lips, gross, rubbing his.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Hands together ill, but you said he took off his
fate glasses and did what he leaned in.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Closer, and he got so discombobulated because listen, last time
he was just watching Cassie and a man. Today, it
was a new freak golf tape where there were sex
workers plural.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Must've been too much. He was hot and bothered.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Leaning in getting the full view, got so flustered he
dropped stuff on the floor, picked it up, and got.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right back to the screen.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Diddy is having a little bit too much fun for
my taste.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
But I guess this was the all star Kobe Bryant, Shaq,
Shaquille O'Neil dream team shack attack playoff that he always
made all his victims to to gate themselves too.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay, you know what, I don't think Shaq or Jordan
are going to take very kindly to what you're saying.
And poor Kobe not here to defend himself. Troy Slayton,
don't you tell your clients how to behave in court?
The last thing that this jury needs to see as
far as the Combs defense team goes, is Shawn comes
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licking his lips. I'm not even going to demonstrate that
licking his lips, rubbing his hands together like he's getting
to the good part of like a James Bond movie.
He's rubbing his hands together and visibly visibly oh excited.
Is that a decent way to put it, watching the
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Free Cough with the second love of his life, Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Although I appreciate you repretation of mister Burns from The
Simpsons rubbing your hands together, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
Uh, every it's on the defendant. Everything. Are analyzing every
single thing that he is doing.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
And of course, as a defense attorney you are you
are telling your client to.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
Wear certain clothes, to look a certain.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Way, to not comment too much, to not whisper to them,
but rather to write things down during uh, during the proceedings. Yes,
every single juror has their eyes on the defendant during
a trial, and they're analyzing everything.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know. I'm thinking about how you should behave in
front of a jury, what your clients should be doing.
I remember distinctly during the Scott Peterson case. Peterson would
have a very perplexed and deep thinking pose, like, hmm,
isn't that what Shawn Combs should be doing right now?
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Sean Combs should be looking like he's innocent. He should
be looking like he doesn't agree with what the witnesses
are saying.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
And I believe that the.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Prosecutors are going to have a hard time proving up
all the elements of Rico.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Like I said before, I think I found out what
Seawn Colmbs was writing, and his defense attorney, you know,
made him stop writing it because the jury might see it.
According to our sources, this is what he wrote. These
are his trial notes, you know. So that's why he
suddenly quit taking notes.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Okay, that's some crack report, Nancy, But you know, defendants
right things all the time.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
On can't you keep him there?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh wait a minute, I've got more for you.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Isn't it true?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Tisa tales that while the new freak Off video is
being played, he starts like shaking his leg uncontrollably, you know,
like a dog scratching itself. Listen, it's like a dog.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Literally, You're looking at him and he's trying to act
like he's just sitting there while he's.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Trying to grab that bone.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Whatever his defense lawyers told him to do, it has
gone out the window because did he see the only
thing that dominated his life, a perversion for the last
ten years, played out in front of him? And let's
be serious, Didney is probably overdue for a freak call.
So this is Christmas in Christmas in July, truly for.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
This man joining me right, now special guest Rob Shooter.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You know him well.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
He is the host of Naughty but Nice Awesome podcast.
You can find him at Rob Shooter, shut Er dot
substat dot com. Former publicist PR guru for Sean Comes.
He came to his census and quit after a couple
of years. Rob Shooter, thank you for being with us.
(06:52):
Ken Shawn Comes not control himself. The last thing he
needs the jury to see is him licking his lips
like he's about a tuckown into a t bone.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Rubbing his hands together.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
It's so evil.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I mean ew in the middle of a freak off tape.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, I would have predicted the Puffy would have known
better than this. This is a guy who's very carefully
created his image. The trouble is is that the bigger
you become as a star, the less people you listen to,
and you start just believing yourself. So even though he
has a really good team of lawyers around him, I
doubt he's listening to them. He never really listened to
me or other people that worked with him. It was
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his way or the highway. And I gotta say, Nancy,
so far, at least until this moment, It's often worked
out for Puffy. He's very successful. He's made a ton
of money. This might be the end of that running streak.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But when you, I don't think he's successful on his own,
no offense. But I think he's been successful and managed
to stay out of trouble this long, largely because of
enablers like robs you Okay, not Rob Sheeter, because you
did come to your senses and quit. But all the
(08:06):
people that buy him illegal drugs. The drug mule that testified,
the bodyguard that physically dragged Cassie Ventura back to a
free cough, the other minion assistant that got immunity, that
hopped in.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
The car on a gun ride to look.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
For should Knight. It goes on and on and on.
The accountant that explained in an email idiot how to
get Cassie's parents to send extortion money. I mean, all
of these people enabled him to become what he is now.
(08:46):
He had a bubble around him. Christina Korum, who many
people believe is an unindicted co conspirator, I'm still wondering
what happened to her, why she didn't testify, But he
was enabled to do this. You know something you just said.
The more famous you are. The more you don't know
(09:06):
the word no. Listen to our friend Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
When you go to a hotel.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
Anytime you go to a hotel, you don't just check
in the way everybody else does. You send someone ahead
to prepare the hotel room for you.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Let's called preparing the sexy. That's from our friends at
Conan O'Brien the Late Show, and there little did he.
I'm really surprised the State hasn't even played this. He
is describing to Conan O'Brien on National TV how he
sends his minions ahead of him to quote, prepare the sexy.
(09:44):
But what the sexy has turned out to be, according
to the state, is forced rape, sex trafficking due to coercion, drugging, beatings,
and there's more. Listen, when I work hard and I
just like my room to be sexy.
Speaker 8 (10:01):
Sure you like to prepare the sexy, is what you're saying.
You can't just count on the sexy. Compare the sexy.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You have to make sure you go through the proper
measures to make sure that you're sexy is there when
you arrive.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
From our friends at the kendryned Brian Late Night show.
Is he that arrogant rob Sheeter. He's basically on live
national TV bragging about free coughs aka King Knight aka
Hotel Night aka wild King Knight, which, according to multiple
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victims that have filed all those civil lawsuits, the jury
hasn't heard about them. But I dare, I dare the
defense to bring a good character because that will bring
in all of those prior bad acts, alleged bad acts.
So far, the jury hasn't heard about all those women.
Multiple women, including some miners, claim that they were drugged
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in their drinks and they wake up with their vaginas
and their rearings hurting, obviously having had sex without their
knowledge or consent. Okay, while I'm playing a Conan O'Brien
clip and we're laughing about the way Sean Comes has
responded to those videos in.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Court, think about it. This jury hasn't heard everything.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That we know.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Dozens they've got a toll free number set up for it,
for Pete's sake, Dozens of women describing being raped. Shooter.
And I know, in your line of business, you know
it's all glamorous, But in my line of business, I
deal every day with child rape victims. Adult rape victims,
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adults that were child rape victims, and their lives are
forever changed.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Not in a good way, in a very very bad way.
So is he that arrogant that he is bragging about it?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
On Conan O'Brian, A really simple answer is yes, We've
got the evidence, Nancy. This case is not that hard
to anybody who has been paying attention. Now, let's see
if the evidence can stand up to one of the
most famous, rich, successful people in the world. Did he
is used to get in his own way, His money,
(12:22):
his power, his celebrity has given him a life that
we can never ever imagine. Let's see if this is
the end of it. I think we all know where
the evidence is pointing.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You know, Rob Shehoter, I hate everything that you just said,
but I'm concerned. I'm concerned that it may be true because,
as you well remember, to doctor Bethany Marshall renounced like
(12:53):
oh Allen's joining us out of Beverly Hills, the author
of deal Breakers. You can see her on Peacock and
you can find her one at dr Bethany Marshall dot com.
As you well recall, I thought the evidence was very
clear in the OJ Simpson trial, and I still think
the evidence is very clear, but fame popularity was stronger
(13:15):
in the jury's mind than the evidence. In that picture
of Nicole Brown, I'll never forget with her face all
swollen up and read on one side where he had
beaten her horribly, those nine to one one calls where
she's saying he's breaking the door down, He's gonna kill me.
None of that mattered. The victim's blood on his socks,
(13:36):
for Pete's sake, none of it mattered. At the civil trial.
I believe he scored a negative forty three on his polygraph,
but it didn't carry the day. It did not carry
the day. Could it happen again, Bethany, You don't, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I think our society is and maybe hopefully not the
jury not clear about what abuse, and specifically sexual abuse
is one person getting their needs met at the other
person's expense, derogatory language threatening to pull resources from that
victim if they don't comply, profiting in some way from
(14:17):
the victim's sexual activity. I think we see all of this,
and I would guess, Nancy, that PDD is not getting
his sexual needs met behind bars. So that video of
the alleged freak coughs and abuse. That's very exciting for him, Nancy.
Sex addicts need continual stimulation, and one of the reasons
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they need it is there's a type of deadness or
inner emptiness. It can only be compensated for by a
ton of excitement. Unless he's just going to keep working
out or abusing another inmate, or having sex through the
vents or whatever he's doing, he's going to rely on
those tapes they're imagining are endless, Nancy, So he's going
to have to rely on his imagination quite a.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Bit from here on out.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Joining us, special guest Danny Pinter, Senior VP, Director of
the Law Center National Center on Sex Exploitation. Danny, thank
you for being with us. I'm concerned. I'm worried. I'm
worried that the same thing will happen in Simpson in
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this case as did Simpson, where his vast popularity carried.
The day those jurors and I met many of them,
they felt that they knew Orenthal James Simpson because of
all of his football stardom, because of his movies, his
car rental ads. They thought they knew him and the
(15:51):
Simpson They thought they knew could never have committed double homicide,
but he did and the evidence proved it, but it
didn't matter.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean, I think you're right to be worried,
but I have a lot of hope. Similar to the
Conan O'Brien interview we just saw, there's been many instances
of that Ditty's break offs were a bit of an
open secret.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I think that will help.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
I think the fact that he has been arrogantly bragging
about his activity for so long, plus I think we've
come further than our society has come further than in
the past, and understanding some of the dynamics that the
doctor was talking about with sexual abuse. So hopefully that
public education, combined with Ditty's brazen public admissions will help
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the jury's biases not interfere with the evidence, which I
agree with you is very strong.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We are live at the Monahan Federal Courthouse and the
trial of Sean comes the multi count federal indictment including
sex trafficking charges, and outside the courthouse joining us. Tisa Tels,
investigator and host of Tisa Tales on YouTube. TISA we
got carried away with Shawn Holmes's odd behavior in the
(17:04):
courtroom when he was rewatching sex free coughs with multiple
sex workers, obviously enthralled, asking for more time to view
the video, privately rubbing his hands together, licking his lips,
shaking his legs. Can we move on from that abysmal
(17:26):
and horrific scene you've conjured up from me in my
head to what's happening in the courtroom.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
What's happening in the courtroom is you see Diddy's team
moving the goalpost once again. They are saying that now
they expect one day they're going to read a lot
of exhibits. Diddy is looking at them, side eyeing them,
looking around. It's almost like they just didn't communicate in
the back, not even twenty minutes ago before he came
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out into the courtroom, Which makes you think is he's
still trying a last ditch, desperate attempt to test in
front of the jury because people say there's a good
chance that he will not take the stand. But at
the end of the day, who wants to open the
Pandora's box?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That is Diddy. Again, to Rob's point, this man has
been told he is yes, he is right.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
He literally truly seems to believe that a decade to
parabrity is a lifestyle choice.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I guess going to hell.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And being one of the demons that walked the earth
is a lifestyle choice.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Again, he's not grounded in reality.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Defense seems to be losing control of him, and again
it's just very, very stark. We're all waiting for Thursday
when they have both agreed they will rest their case.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
But as of now, it's a bit astonishing to see.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Tas the tales.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
They started off saying the defense did that it would
be a four or five week defense case. Then it
went down to about three weeks, two weeks, and now
it's a day.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Is that wrong?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
One day? That is exactly right now?
Speaker 4 (18:58):
One day and they are literally arguing about whether they will.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Read exhibits for most of that day.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Again, like everybody else has said on this.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Panel, you don't want to open that Pandora's box. But again,
I just want to say, from sitting in the courtroom,
every single time did he team says A, it's usually B.
So we're waiting to see is this some holy Molly
Hail Mary to catch the prosecution off balance and there
will be a surprise witness. But right now it looks
(19:27):
like they are hanging their heads in defeat.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So you stated that you believe that what's happening is
the defense team is trying to strong arm Shawn Comes
into not.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Taking the stand.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Okay, don't move, Rob Sheeter joining us hosts of Naughty
but Nice podcast.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Rob, explain to me the likelihood that.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
The defense team can talk Seawn Comes out of anything.
And remember, as you well know, he was acquitted in
a criminal case. Guns chargers are shooting at a nightclub
and when we got shot in the face for Pete's sake,
he was acquitted and he testified, So he may be
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relying on that as an excuse to take the stand.
Is there any way the defense can corral him and
keep him from getting on the stand.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Nancy, I've said since day one he's going to take
the stand. I've been right on everything so far in
this trial, and I don't think I'm going to be wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
He believes in himself. He believes he's the smartest person
in the room. He believes he's the best looking person
in the room. He believes he's the best strategist, and
for the last twenty years that attitude has served him
very well. You just pointed out he did this before
and he got off. He's not going to change his playbook,
his rule book right now. And there is almost no
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one on earth except one person who could convince him
to do otherwise. That person is his mommy. She's the
only person. And Jonas Combs, who he has ever EVAs.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
All the speculation aside as to what Shawn Combs will
do regarding taking the stand. While many court watchers insist,
like Choice Laton for one, that the state hasn't proven
its case, there is one count that I feel confident
the state has a lock on it. Listen.
Speaker 10 (21:35):
HSI Special Agent Penlin reviews forceipts and payments made for
a September twenty fourteen meeting record show Combs used his
American Express card to purchase a round trip flight from
New York to Los Angeles for an escort referred to
as Dave, and to book a hotel reservation under his assistant,
Elie Maroon's name. Five different bank accounts were used to
pay off those credit card charges, including some link to
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bad Boy Entertainment and Combs Enterprises.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Straight out to you Tisa Tels joining us at the
courthouse and you can see her on YouTube at TISA
Tel's TISA. There is a specific charge in the federal indictment.
It's count three transporting sex workers across straight lines for
the purposes of prostitution. That is a federal charge that,
off the top of my head, carries ten to fifteen.
(22:21):
So there's no way around that. It's his American Express charge.
He did it, he arranged it, or had his minion
do it. When the jury was listening to that Homeland
Security special Agent Penland, were they paying attention or were
they dozing off?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I gotta be honest with you, they were paying attention.
But again, it is like being stuck in the seventh
level of Hell at the DMV next to the Devil's playground.
It was not the most exciting thing. However, the prosecution
kept hammering one thing home.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
That was very helpful.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Here is the flight log, Here is a text messages.
Here is the credit card charge.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Over and over and over.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
The jury's eyes did seem to glaze over, but it
glazed over in understanding. It glazed over and understanding, and
no matter how the defense tried to cover that up
when they came.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Back for redirect, it was again, here is the credit
card receipt. Here is the messages saying, hey.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Just come up, We're ready gonna take a breather.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So they did an excellent job of laying it out.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I would also go on to say that not only
do they have them on the transporting sex workers across
state lines for commercial sex Act dead to rights, they
also have them on bribery.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Let's not forget.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Did they not reached out to Eddie Garcia. Did they
not give a double back full of cash? Did they
not actually demand he signed.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
An NDA on Colne's global stationery and send pictures of
everybody's ID just so we could know Ten years later,
the bribery and the conspiracy that happened with.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
That predicate acts, it looks like they have them dead
the Rights, No Questions Acts, and the defense had barely
any thing to say about.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
That taste of tails. I understand that cigar aficionados across
the world are shuddering because Sean Comes used expensive humidors
to store his baby oil and lube. What happened. What
happened is it let us into his head. First of all,
how cheap do you have to.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Be to be a billionaire?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And you are getting a humidifier to make sure.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
You're ninety nine cent baby oil doesn't go bad. Baby oil,
I believe have a shelf life up forever. It showed
how fiercely it took it. It shows out of everything
in his life, he needed to make sure that it
was top level purity. Again, it baffles, but it also
shows what he prioritized.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And as much as every time the defense.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Just tries to make it seem like, oh, you mean
the baby oil, the jury is also always had.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I've been puzzled and discussed.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
It looks like why would you do this if this
wasn't the true intent and what you spent most of
your time doing. Nancy, you made a good point about
he had others running his empire, and the one thing
this man cared about more than money, more than time,
more than his children, was making sure that he was
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always ready to go for a freak off.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's the one thing we can guarantee, Rob Sheheeter joining us.
You can find it at Robsheeter dot substack dot com.
Rob did you hear what she said? How can literally
a billionaire that starts with be as in brother billionaire
be this cheap? I want to hear what if anything
you observed when you worked with Coms.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
I think part of the reason he's a billionaire is
because he was cheap. Those parties he threw, those big
white parties. He never paid a dollar for those parties.
They were all subsidized. They were all sponsors. Puff knew
had hit the phones and raise money. He wasn't a
terrorly successful rapper or artist. He was a behind the
scenes businessman, and Puff was really cheap. He would never
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pay unless he absolutely had to. So I'm not a
door surprise that he's buying in bulk and he's making
sure that the expiration date does not expire. He is
a cheap individual who has a lot of money. And
I got to say, in my experience of working with
many many stars, that's not that unusual.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You told me earlier that he wanted to eat a
fancy restaurants for free. He wanted free tickets to Fashion
Week to sit on the front row. He wanted to
fly free, to eat free, to attend events like NBA games,
all for free. Why he's got the money to pay.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
For it because it made him feel powerful, Nancy. It
made him feel special, Nancy. You know what it's like
if you're at a restaurant and you get a free
piece of birthday cake, you feel great. Every day of
his life he needed people to tell him, to show
him just how special he believed he is, and for
the most part, everybody plays along.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Shooter. I don't get it. How can you pick up
the phone at three am and make your assistant wander
around Manhattan to find cheesecake. Not any cheesecake, Not the
cheesecake in the freezer section at Degostino's. Not that cheesecake.
I mean cheesecake from a high end, a five star restaurant,
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and you get it or demand a better seat. I mean,
did anybody ever say no, comes in?
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Ever, they didn't. No nance They didn't. Nobody around him
ever said no to him. And if you did, you
weren't around him for much longer. That's why I really
feel for his lawyers here. He has some really great lawyers,
but they have been literally restrained, put on a leash
by Puffy. He thinks he knows better than every single
one of those really qualified people there on his defense team,
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and so he is running the show. He runs his life.
He's running the show, and for the first time ever,
his bag of magic tricks might not work.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You know what's interesting, Rob Sheeter, is that apparently it
was not a very well kept secret about the free Coughs,
that many many people knew about them, but yet famous
celebs would continue to fly to his party and be
around him. I mean, you know the lyrics of Eminem,
(28:38):
who I love, when he rapped about Sean Combs and said,
I think the phrase goes r.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Ape r He didn't like he.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Didn't leave out a P did he Nobody got it?
He spelled rape or and then named P Diddy. What
was nobody listening? I was listening.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
The world knew, but everybody and now all.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
These celebris are going not me.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I want sat there.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
They were there. They were there, eating the food, drinking
the liquor, going to these parties, and they knew what
was happening. They may not have attended the free cost
but it was not very secretive.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Yeah, yeah, the whispers were there. I recently wrote a
column for the Hollywood Reporter about this, and I used
to convince myself that I didn't know anything, And after
a lot of reflection, I came to the conclusion that
I didn't want to know anything. And there's a big
difference there. Celebrity, money, fame, Nancy. We've seen this happen
a lot. There was a lot of people around Michael Jackson,
there was a lot of people around oj Simpson. Fame,
(29:49):
money power. It is intoxicating.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
And now I think a lot.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Of people out there who were in business with Puff
have a reckoning. They have to come forward, they have
to say anythink they're not, but I think they do.
I think eventually they've all got sets up.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Never know which way a
trial is going to go. You really don't know what
the witness is going to say. Who could have predicted elite,
who could have predicted all the motions from mistrial evidence
starts pouring from the witness stand during the state's case,
and you look at your client like, that is.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Nothing like what you told me really happened.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
It has literally been weeks in the Monahan Federal Courthouse
for the state.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
What does the defense hold to.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Step back and do a hell Mary right now? By
all accounts, Shawn Combs is at peak diddy as he
awaits the commencement of the defense case, and in a
shocking development, the defense has dwindled from five weeks to
four weeks to three weeks to two weeks to one day.
Is this real or is this just a fake off
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on the state so they'll be flat footed when it
comes time for a possible rebuttal case or even closing arguments,
the defense announcing they plan to rest in the next
twenty four to thirty six hours.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Can that be real?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Now? I want you to listen to what came out
in court, what Sean Combs had the gall to tailcass
even draw.
Speaker 10 (31:30):
A text chat in May twenty seventeen shows how differently
the couple views their relationship. Ventura writes to Combs, you
get up. You dragged me down the hall by my hair.
I'm thirty years old. This isn't play anymore. I was
scared of your rage. I talk out of line sometimes
and I do apologize, but that doesn't mean I don't
love you, and your love shouldn't equate to what you
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do for me. Physicality takes it somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Boris had to tackle you puff. That's not love, that's possession.
I have bleeding cuts.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
Combs responds that have been is unappreciative, saying I'm not
going to let someone done me when all I've done
is be nice. Any other woman in the world would
have been so happy you're whack for not keeping it
real when I and everyone knows you were acting like
a You know what.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I hardly know how to respond to that, but I
do know I would read it over and over and
over to the jury joining me. Tom Smith former NYPD
detective thirty years in narcotics, robbery, gang investigation, also FBI
Joint Terrorism Task Force. He is now the co host
(32:35):
of the gold Shields podcast. You can find him at
the gold Shieldshow dot com. Tom. He's nothing more than
a thug and a pimp.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Did you hear this?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
She's saying I've got bleeding cuts. You dragged me by
my hair, and he says I'm not going to let
someone on me when all I've done is be nice. Really,
you saw the cast evenior beatdown video, right, Tom, All
I've done is be nice. Any other woman in the
(33:06):
world would be so happy you're wack for not keeping
it real when I and everyone knows you were acting
like a That's exactly what pimps do to the prostitutes.
They coerce and beat into working for them, turning trick
(33:29):
after trick after trick.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
Absolutely, it's all about intimidation and power and having something
over their victims.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
And that's what Cassie is.
Speaker 12 (33:38):
She's a victim and he exploited that at every chance
he could, with all that, with the beatings, with the dragging,
with the intimidation of ruining her if she didn't comply.
And that is all part of Sean Combe's persona when
it comes to this case, and that's what they're going
to nail him on. And that's the coercion that this
girl lived with with being with Sean Colmes, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Tom Smith. When you get a pimp, okay, And it's
usually the women, the sex workers that are prosecuted. The
pimp and the john, they're not prosecuted. It's a sex
worker the woman it gets prosecuted. In this case against
Shawn Combs, I say he is nothing more than a pimp.
(34:23):
Could you explain how pimps manage to keep the women
that work for them in check?
Speaker 12 (34:31):
Well, it't all a fear. It's violence and intimidation. And
the difference in Shawn Combs and a normal street pimp
is that no one is going to go against a
street pimp because they're so scared where Seawn Combs, there's
so much corroborating evidence against him about acting like this
and what he's done to these victims. And that's the
(34:51):
difference between going after a street kid and Seawan Combs.
And you're right, that's all he is is a pimp,
bottom line.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Doctor Bethany Marshall. So I want you to weigh in
on what Tom Smith has just said, because when I
look at Comes, I don't see a star. I see
a pimp. And every pimp I've ever prosecuted had to
be a felony by the time I got a hold
of it.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Bait the women.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Drugged, the women, threatened them, coerced them, threatened their families.
The way we saw what happened to the threats on
Cassie Ventura's family. They had to go take out a
home equity loan to bay his blackmail. According to the state,
it's the same thing. It's no different.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
But you know, Nancy, what breaks my heart the most
when I listen to these communications is what I see
in my office that women come in thinking at first
that there's a real relationship, that that man is going
to protect them, that the initial three way is just
a little bit of wild excitement at the beginning of
a relationship that the first outfit that the guy buys
(35:56):
when they go shopping is like, oh my god, he
loves me. He probably has never bought a car tail
dress for anybody else before. So they do get seduced
into thinking there is a unique primary relationship.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Women do not choose to be abused.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
They get drawn in little by little, interaction by interaction,
and then once it becomes full blown. If you listen
to this interaction between p Ditty and Cassie, he's not
listening to anything she says. Nothing is taken in, nothing
is digested. He's just rejecting everything she says, and he's
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trying to get more and more power over her. So
for unfortunately for her, what begins as what is imagined
as a real relationship turns into a reign of terror.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Troy Slatin with me veter on trial lawyer out of
the La jurisdiction at Slaton Lawyers. Troy, I don't know
if you've managed to get the vision I've Sawn comes
hunched over that video screen, licking his lips and rubbing
his hands together, demanding extra time to watch Cassie Ventira
on v with the three six workers that he has
flown in for the freak off. I don't know if
(37:07):
you can get that out of your mind and focus
on legal analysis.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I want to hear your take.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
There's no way he can get out of count three,
which is paying to bring sex workers across state lines
for prostitution. No way out at least on that count.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
Well.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
I know that the defense pointed out that this so
called escort company, one of them called Cowboys for Angels,
only advertises entertainment. They don't advertise that it's for the
purposes of sex. And I look at a really close analogy, Nancy.
(37:47):
Imagine somebody in New Jersey hires a stripper, a male
stripper for a bachelorette party, and they cross state lines
for the purposes of performing at a at a bachelor
at or bachelor party. And then let's say some of
the people there at that party engage that entertainer for sex.
(38:10):
Does that mean that the purpose of the transportation was
for legal entertainment, although in a sexual way, or does
that mean that that person was transported for the purpose
of a sex act. So I think that there's some
nuances there. And I also notice in the photographs that
you were showing, some of the evidentiary photographs like the astroglide,
(38:34):
all lined up perfectly like it was on a shelf
at CBS. That was all done by an assistant. That
wasn't Diddy setting up all those bottles. That's what billionaires
and high net worth people do, even in their refrigerators,
in their sub zero, in their kitchen. They make sure
that every single bottle has the label facing forward. That's
(38:55):
what people like to see, and that's likely what their
assistant set up for them. That doesn't mean that Diddy
was putting those things in the human door himself. That
was so his assistant could show that they were doing
something good for their for their value, for their time,
for what they were being paid for.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
That's what I see.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
You know, Slayton, you really are amazing. You are and
I've always heard the devil is silver tongued, and if
you listen to long, it's like a snake charmer. The
more you watch it, the more you become symbiotic with it,
and you're in the groove and you start accepting it.
(39:36):
You're really good like that. But let's talk about the
nuances you just described. So let's follow your train of thought,
your assertation technical legal term bs to its logical conclusion.
So you're trying to say, you call it I admire
that that okay, that Shall Combs with his own American
(40:01):
Express card flies a sex worker. And it's not across
the border from Jersey to New York. It's from LA
to a sex worker.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
I think they call themselves an escort, which is not.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
From LA to New York.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And your theory is he was brought that far just
to dance around in some anal floss a G string,
and then Cassie Venturira suddenly said, oh my stars, I
must have sex with him on video, and I must
be beaten by Sean Combs in the middle of it
for not doing it correctly. So that would be your
(40:35):
theory that Combs flew the sex worker, the male sex
worker across the country, a five hour flight to New
York and then to dance around in a G string.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
That's what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
That's the nuance lie that you just said.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Well, Nancy, I was never at one of Diddy's freakoffs.
I was never invited to any of the the White
Party or any of the other parties. So I'm telling
you I wasn't there. But what I can tell you
is that people can get caught up in the celebrity
in a moment. And although they may not have been
(41:15):
transported for the purpose of the sex act, for actually
having sex, maybe they were transported for a legal reason
and then decided to engage in the sex act because.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
The to Carnegie Hall and and listened to the Nancy.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Maybe that's why they somehow they ended up butt naked
with a bunch of other sex workers raping Cassie Venturira.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
You tried to say that he's like no other street pimp,
But Nancy, here's the huge difference.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Is like every other street pimp.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Well here's the difference, Nancy. Every street pimp gets does
what they do for money. They're making money on it.
This was not some sort of enterprise that was making
Diddy money by allegedly transporting an escort. You call a
sex worker across the state line. That didn't make him money,
(42:10):
That cost him money.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Now we remember an American hero, Officer Tara O'Sullivan, Sacramento PD,
just twenty six, gun down in a line of duty,
had served only six months before she was shot dead,
survived by brieving parents Dennis and Kelly, American hero Tara O'Sullivan,
(42:36):
Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Didty perv Shawn Comes caught
licking his lips and rubbing his hands together, demanding extra
time for the Cassie Free Cough sex scene objection. Ow
(00:24):
and Didty testified once in a criminal case and he
was acquitted. Will he do it again? And tonight Ditty's revenge?
The state bracing for the Ditty defense. I'm means he grease.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. Forty six thousand, seven hundred and eighty
(00:44):
six safety.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Pay on damages to a penthouse for one day.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Instruments of violence that might have been in that room so.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Much maybe oil, There were actually two slip and.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Falls, whips, maybe knives.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Maybe they were sitting on top of freak off jerms.
The state is plowing through its last witnesses in court
with me an all star panel to make sense of
what we are learning from the courtroom today. But first
straight out to the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Standing by is
Tisa Tails. She is a pop culture investigator and star
off Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa what happened today today?
(01:23):
We found out some interesting stubs.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
First of all, this All Star defense they promised to
put on has seemed to fall apart.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Diddy has actually gone from saying it's.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Going to be four weeks to two weeks to three.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
To five days today expect to wrap up in one day.
They're also showing even more freak off tapes, and Diddy
is loving every second of it. He has been looking
his lists, he has been begging from her time. Today
he got so flustered from what was being shown on screen.
He leaned in, got flustered, took his glasses off, lead
(01:58):
and closer, dropping to the floor.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Diddy is having a.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Little bit too much fun for my pace, but you
know what we need to get in there.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Wait wait, wait, wait, phrase phrase, halt repeat. Okay, you're
saying he's having too much fun watching Cassie Ventura, the
so called love of his life, right behind the other
love of his life, cam Porter, watching her with a
male sex worker.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I know he was licking his lips, gross, rubbing his.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Hands together ill, but you said he took off his
fate glasses and did what he leaned in.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Closer, and he got so discombobulated because listen, last time
he was just watching Cassie and a man. Today, it
was a new freak golf tape where there were sex
workers plural.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Must've been too much. He was hot and bothered.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Leaning in getting the full view, got so flustered he
dropped stuff on the floor, picked it up, and got.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right back to the screen.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Diddy is having a little bit too much fun for
my taste.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
But I guess this was the all star Kobe Bryant, Shaq,
Shaquille O'Neil dream team shack attack playoff that he always
made all his victims to to gate themselves too.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay, you know what, I don't think Shaq or Jordan
are going to take very kindly to what you're saying.
And poor Kobe not here to defend himself. Troy Slayton,
don't you tell your clients how to behave in court?
The last thing that this jury needs to see as
far as the Combs defense team goes, is Shawn comes
(03:33):
licking his lips. I'm not even going to demonstrate that
licking his lips, rubbing his hands together like he's getting
to the good part of like a James Bond movie.
He's rubbing his hands together and visibly visibly oh excited.
Is that a decent way to put it, watching the
(03:54):
Free Cough with the second love of his life, Cassie Ventura.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Although I appreciate you repretation of mister Burns from The
Simpsons rubbing your hands together, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
Uh, every it's on the defendant. Everything. Are analyzing every
single thing that he is doing.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
And of course, as a defense attorney you are you
are telling your client to.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
Wear certain clothes, to look a certain.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Way, to not comment too much, to not whisper to them,
but rather to write things down during uh, during the proceedings. Yes,
every single juror has their eyes on the defendant during
a trial, and they're analyzing everything.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know. I'm thinking about how you should behave in
front of a jury, what your clients should be doing.
I remember distinctly during the Scott Peterson case. Peterson would
have a very perplexed and deep thinking pose, like, hmm,
isn't that what Shawn Combs should be doing right now?
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Sean Combs should be looking like he's innocent. He should
be looking like he doesn't agree with what the witnesses
are saying.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
And I believe that the.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Prosecutors are going to have a hard time proving up
all the elements of Rico.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Like I said before, I think I found out what
Seawn Colmbs was writing, and his defense attorney, you know,
made him stop writing it because the jury might see it.
According to our sources, this is what he wrote. These
are his trial notes, you know. So that's why he
suddenly quit taking notes.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Okay, that's some crack report, Nancy, But you know, defendants
right things all the time.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
On can't you keep him there?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh wait a minute, I've got more for you.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Isn't it true?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Tisa tales that while the new freak Off video is
being played, he starts like shaking his leg uncontrollably, you know,
like a dog scratching itself. Listen, it's like a dog.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Literally, You're looking at him and he's trying to act
like he's just sitting there while he's.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Trying to grab that bone.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Whatever his defense lawyers told him to do, it has
gone out the window because did he see the only
thing that dominated his life, a perversion for the last
ten years, played out in front of him? And let's
be serious, Didney is probably overdue for a freak call.
So this is Christmas in Christmas in July, truly for.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
This man joining me right, now special guest Rob Shooter.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You know him well.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
He is the host of Naughty but Nice Awesome podcast.
You can find him at Rob Shooter, shut Er dot
substat dot com. Former publicist PR guru for Sean Comes.
He came to his census and quit after a couple
of years. Rob Shooter, thank you for being with us.
(06:52):
Ken Shawn Comes not control himself. The last thing he
needs the jury to see is him licking his lips
like he's about a tuckown into a t bone.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Rubbing his hands together.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
It's so evil.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I mean ew in the middle of a freak off tape.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Yeah, I would have predicted the Puffy would have known
better than this. This is a guy who's very carefully
created his image. The trouble is is that the bigger
you become as a star, the less people you listen to,
and you start just believing yourself. So even though he
has a really good team of lawyers around him, I
doubt he's listening to them. He never really listened to
me or other people that worked with him. It was
(07:31):
his way or the highway. And I gotta say, Nancy,
so far, at least until this moment, It's often worked
out for Puffy. He's very successful. He's made a ton
of money. This might be the end of that running streak.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
But when you, I don't think he's successful on his own,
no offense. But I think he's been successful and managed
to stay out of trouble this long, largely because of
enablers like robs you Okay, not Rob Sheeter, because you
did come to your senses and quit. But all the
(08:06):
people that buy him illegal drugs. The drug mule that testified,
the bodyguard that physically dragged Cassie Ventura back to a
free cough, the other minion assistant that got immunity, that
hopped in.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
The car on a gun ride to look.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
For should Knight. It goes on and on and on.
The accountant that explained in an email idiot how to
get Cassie's parents to send extortion money. I mean, all
of these people enabled him to become what he is now.
(08:46):
He had a bubble around him. Christina Korum, who many
people believe is an unindicted co conspirator, I'm still wondering
what happened to her, why she didn't testify, But he
was enabled to do this. You know something you just said.
The more famous you are. The more you don't know
(09:06):
the word no. Listen to our friend Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
When you go to a hotel.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
Anytime you go to a hotel, you don't just check
in the way everybody else does. You send someone ahead
to prepare the hotel room for you.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Let's called preparing the sexy. That's from our friends at
Conan O'Brien the Late Show, and there little did he.
I'm really surprised the State hasn't even played this. He
is describing to Conan O'Brien on National TV how he
sends his minions ahead of him to quote, prepare the sexy.
(09:44):
But what the sexy has turned out to be, according
to the state, is forced rape, sex trafficking due to coercion, drugging, beatings,
and there's more. Listen, when I work hard and I
just like my room to be sexy.
Speaker 8 (10:01):
Sure you like to prepare the sexy, is what you're saying.
You can't just count on the sexy. Compare the sexy.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
You have to make sure you go through the proper
measures to make sure that you're sexy is there when
you arrive.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
From our friends at the kendryned Brian Late Night show.
Is he that arrogant rob Sheeter. He's basically on live
national TV bragging about free coughs aka King Knight aka
Hotel Night aka wild King Knight, which, according to multiple
(10:33):
victims that have filed all those civil lawsuits, the jury
hasn't heard about them. But I dare, I dare the
defense to bring a good character because that will bring
in all of those prior bad acts, alleged bad acts.
So far, the jury hasn't heard about all those women.
Multiple women, including some miners, claim that they were drugged
(10:55):
in their drinks and they wake up with their vaginas
and their rearings hurting, obviously having had sex without their
knowledge or consent. Okay, while I'm playing a Conan O'Brien
clip and we're laughing about the way Sean Comes has
responded to those videos in.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Court, think about it. This jury hasn't heard everything.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That we know.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Dozens they've got a toll free number set up for it,
for Pete's sake, Dozens of women describing being raped. Shooter.
And I know, in your line of business, you know
it's all glamorous, But in my line of business, I
deal every day with child rape victims. Adult rape victims,
(11:43):
adults that were child rape victims, and their lives are
forever changed.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Not in a good way, in a very very bad way.
So is he that arrogant that he is bragging about it?
Speaker 5 (12:00):
On Conan O'Brian, A really simple answer is yes, We've
got the evidence, Nancy. This case is not that hard
to anybody who has been paying attention. Now, let's see
if the evidence can stand up to one of the
most famous, rich, successful people in the world. Did he
is used to get in his own way, His money,
(12:22):
his power, his celebrity has given him a life that
we can never ever imagine. Let's see if this is
the end of it. I think we all know where
the evidence is pointing.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You know, Rob Shehoter, I hate everything that you just said,
but I'm concerned. I'm concerned that it may be true because,
as you well remember, to doctor Bethany Marshall renounced like
(12:53):
oh Allen's joining us out of Beverly Hills, the author
of deal Breakers. You can see her on Peacock and
you can find her one at dr Bethany Marshall dot com.
As you well recall, I thought the evidence was very
clear in the OJ Simpson trial, and I still think
the evidence is very clear, but fame popularity was stronger
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in the jury's mind than the evidence. In that picture
of Nicole Brown, I'll never forget with her face all
swollen up and read on one side where he had
beaten her horribly, those nine to one one calls where
she's saying he's breaking the door down, He's gonna kill me.
None of that mattered. The victim's blood on his socks,
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for Pete's sake, none of it mattered. At the civil trial.
I believe he scored a negative forty three on his polygraph,
but it didn't carry the day. It did not carry
the day. Could it happen again, Bethany, You don't, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I think our society is and maybe hopefully not the
jury not clear about what abuse, and specifically sexual abuse
is one person getting their needs met at the other
person's expense, derogatory language threatening to pull resources from that
victim if they don't comply, profiting in some way from
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the victim's sexual activity. I think we see all of this,
and I would guess, Nancy, that PDD is not getting
his sexual needs met behind bars. So that video of
the alleged freak coughs and abuse. That's very exciting for him, Nancy.
Sex addicts need continual stimulation, and one of the reasons
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they need it is there's a type of deadness or
inner emptiness. It can only be compensated for by a
ton of excitement. Unless he's just going to keep working
out or abusing another inmate, or having sex through the
vents or whatever he's doing, he's going to rely on
those tapes they're imagining are endless, Nancy, So he's going
to have to rely on his imagination quite a.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Bit from here on out.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Joining us, special guest Danny Pinter, Senior VP, Director of
the Law Center National Center on Sex Exploitation. Danny, thank
you for being with us. I'm concerned. I'm worried. I'm
worried that the same thing will happen in Simpson in
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this case as did Simpson, where his vast popularity carried.
The day those jurors and I met many of them,
they felt that they knew Orenthal James Simpson because of
all of his football stardom, because of his movies, his
car rental ads. They thought they knew him and the
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Simpson They thought they knew could never have committed double homicide,
but he did and the evidence proved it, but it
didn't matter.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean, I think you're right to be worried,
but I have a lot of hope. Similar to the
Conan O'Brien interview we just saw, there's been many instances
of that Ditty's break offs were a bit of an
open secret.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I think that will help.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
I think the fact that he has been arrogantly bragging
about his activity for so long, plus I think we've
come further than our society has come further than in
the past, and understanding some of the dynamics that the
doctor was talking about with sexual abuse. So hopefully that
public education, combined with Ditty's brazen public admissions will help
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the jury's biases not interfere with the evidence, which I
agree with you is very strong.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We are live at the Monahan Federal Courthouse and the
trial of Sean comes the multi count federal indictment including
sex trafficking charges, and outside the courthouse joining us. Tisa Tels,
investigator and host of Tisa Tales on YouTube. TISA we
got carried away with Shawn Holmes's odd behavior in the
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courtroom when he was rewatching sex free coughs with multiple
sex workers, obviously enthralled, asking for more time to view
the video, privately rubbing his hands together, licking his lips,
shaking his legs. Can we move on from that abysmal
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and horrific scene you've conjured up from me in my
head to what's happening in the courtroom.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
What's happening in the courtroom is you see Diddy's team
moving the goalpost once again. They are saying that now
they expect one day they're going to read a lot
of exhibits. Diddy is looking at them, side eyeing them,
looking around. It's almost like they just didn't communicate in
the back, not even twenty minutes ago before he came
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out into the courtroom, Which makes you think is he's
still trying a last ditch, desperate attempt to test in
front of the jury because people say there's a good
chance that he will not take the stand. But at
the end of the day, who wants to open the
Pandora's box?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That is Diddy. Again, to Rob's point, this man has
been told he is yes, he is right.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
He literally truly seems to believe that a decade to
parabrity is a lifestyle choice.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I guess going to hell.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And being one of the demons that walked the earth
is a lifestyle choice.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Again, he's not grounded in reality.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Defense seems to be losing control of him, and again
it's just very, very stark. We're all waiting for Thursday
when they have both agreed they will rest their case.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
But as of now, it's a bit astonishing to see.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Tas the tales.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
They started off saying the defense did that it would
be a four or five week defense case. Then it
went down to about three weeks, two weeks, and now
it's a day.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Is that wrong?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
One day? That is exactly right now?
Speaker 4 (18:58):
One day and they are literally arguing about whether they will.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Read exhibits for most of that day.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Again, like everybody else has said on this.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Panel, you don't want to open that Pandora's box. But again,
I just want to say, from sitting in the courtroom,
every single time did he team says A, it's usually B.
So we're waiting to see is this some holy Molly
Hail Mary to catch the prosecution off balance and there
will be a surprise witness. But right now it looks
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like they are hanging their heads in defeat.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So you stated that you believe that what's happening is
the defense team is trying to strong arm Shawn Comes
into not.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Taking the stand.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Okay, don't move, Rob Sheeter joining us hosts of Naughty
but Nice podcast.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Rob, explain to me the likelihood that.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
The defense team can talk Seawn Comes out of anything.
And remember, as you well know, he was acquitted in
a criminal case. Guns chargers are shooting at a nightclub
and when we got shot in the face for Pete's sake,
he was acquitted and he testified, So he may be
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relying on that as an excuse to take the stand.
Is there any way the defense can corral him and
keep him from getting on the stand.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Nancy, I've said since day one he's going to take
the stand. I've been right on everything so far in
this trial, and I don't think I'm going to be wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
He believes in himself. He believes he's the smartest person
in the room. He believes he's the best looking person
in the room. He believes he's the best strategist, and
for the last twenty years that attitude has served him
very well. You just pointed out he did this before
and he got off. He's not going to change his playbook,
his rule book right now. And there is almost no
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one on earth except one person who could convince him
to do otherwise. That person is his mommy. She's the
only person. And Jonas Combs, who he has ever EVAs.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
All the speculation aside as to what Shawn Combs will
do regarding taking the stand. While many court watchers insist,
like Choice Laton for one, that the state hasn't proven
its case, there is one count that I feel confident
the state has a lock on it. Listen.
Speaker 10 (21:35):
HSI Special Agent Penlin reviews forceipts and payments made for
a September twenty fourteen meeting record show Combs used his
American Express card to purchase a round trip flight from
New York to Los Angeles for an escort referred to
as Dave, and to book a hotel reservation under his assistant,
Elie Maroon's name. Five different bank accounts were used to
pay off those credit card charges, including some link to
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bad Boy Entertainment and Combs Enterprises.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Straight out to you Tisa Tels joining us at the
courthouse and you can see her on YouTube at TISA
Tel's TISA. There is a specific charge in the federal indictment.
It's count three transporting sex workers across straight lines for
the purposes of prostitution. That is a federal charge that,
off the top of my head, carries ten to fifteen.
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So there's no way around that. It's his American Express charge.
He did it, he arranged it, or had his minion
do it. When the jury was listening to that Homeland
Security special Agent Penland, were they paying attention or were
they dozing off?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I gotta be honest with you, they were paying attention.
But again, it is like being stuck in the seventh
level of Hell at the DMV next to the Devil's playground.
It was not the most exciting thing. However, the prosecution
kept hammering one thing home.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
That was very helpful.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Here is the flight log, Here is a text messages.
Here is the credit card charge.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Over and over and over.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
The jury's eyes did seem to glaze over, but it
glazed over in understanding. It glazed over and understanding, and
no matter how the defense tried to cover that up
when they came.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Back for redirect, it was again, here is the credit
card receipt. Here is the messages saying, hey.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Just come up, We're ready gonna take a breather.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So they did an excellent job of laying it out.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I would also go on to say that not only
do they have them on the transporting sex workers across
state lines for commercial sex Act dead to rights, they
also have them on bribery.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Let's not forget.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Did they not reached out to Eddie Garcia. Did they
not give a double back full of cash? Did they
not actually demand he signed.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
An NDA on Colne's global stationery and send pictures of
everybody's ID just so we could know Ten years later,
the bribery and the conspiracy that happened with.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
That predicate acts, it looks like they have them dead
the Rights, No Questions Acts, and the defense had barely
any thing to say about.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
That taste of tails. I understand that cigar aficionados across
the world are shuddering because Sean Comes used expensive humidors
to store his baby oil and lube. What happened. What
happened is it let us into his head. First of all,
how cheap do you have to.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Be to be a billionaire?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And you are getting a humidifier to make sure.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
You're ninety nine cent baby oil doesn't go bad. Baby oil,
I believe have a shelf life up forever. It showed
how fiercely it took it. It shows out of everything
in his life, he needed to make sure that it
was top level purity. Again, it baffles, but it also
shows what he prioritized.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And as much as every time the defense.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Just tries to make it seem like, oh, you mean
the baby oil, the jury is also always had.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I've been puzzled and discussed.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
It looks like why would you do this if this
wasn't the true intent and what you spent most of
your time doing. Nancy, you made a good point about
he had others running his empire, and the one thing
this man cared about more than money, more than time,
more than his children, was making sure that he was
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always ready to go for a freak off.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's the one thing we can guarantee, Rob Sheheeter joining us.
You can find it at Robsheeter dot substack dot com.
Rob did you hear what she said? How can literally
a billionaire that starts with be as in brother billionaire
be this cheap? I want to hear what if anything
you observed when you worked with Coms.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
I think part of the reason he's a billionaire is
because he was cheap. Those parties he threw, those big
white parties. He never paid a dollar for those parties.
They were all subsidized. They were all sponsors. Puff knew
had hit the phones and raise money. He wasn't a
terrorly successful rapper or artist. He was a behind the
scenes businessman, and Puff was really cheap. He would never
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pay unless he absolutely had to. So I'm not a
door surprise that he's buying in bulk and he's making
sure that the expiration date does not expire. He is
a cheap individual who has a lot of money. And
I got to say, in my experience of working with
many many stars, that's not that unusual.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You told me earlier that he wanted to eat a
fancy restaurants for free. He wanted free tickets to Fashion
Week to sit on the front row. He wanted to
fly free, to eat free, to attend events like NBA games,
all for free. Why he's got the money to pay.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
For it because it made him feel powerful, Nancy. It
made him feel special, Nancy. You know what it's like
if you're at a restaurant and you get a free
piece of birthday cake, you feel great. Every day of
his life he needed people to tell him, to show
him just how special he believed he is, and for
the most part, everybody plays along.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Shooter. I don't get it. How can you pick up
the phone at three am and make your assistant wander
around Manhattan to find cheesecake. Not any cheesecake, Not the
cheesecake in the freezer section at Degostino's. Not that cheesecake.
I mean cheesecake from a high end, a five star restaurant,
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and you get it or demand a better seat. I mean,
did anybody ever say no, comes in?
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Ever, they didn't. No nance They didn't. Nobody around him
ever said no to him. And if you did, you
weren't around him for much longer. That's why I really
feel for his lawyers here. He has some really great lawyers,
but they have been literally restrained, put on a leash
by Puffy. He thinks he knows better than every single
one of those really qualified people there on his defense team,
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and so he is running the show. He runs his life.
He's running the show, and for the first time ever,
his bag of magic tricks might not work.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
You know what's interesting, Rob Sheeter, is that apparently it
was not a very well kept secret about the free Coughs,
that many many people knew about them, but yet famous
celebs would continue to fly to his party and be
around him. I mean, you know the lyrics of Eminem,
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who I love, when he rapped about Sean Combs and said,
I think the phrase goes r.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Ape r He didn't like he.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Didn't leave out a P did he Nobody got it?
He spelled rape or and then named P Diddy. What
was nobody listening? I was listening.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
The world knew, but everybody and now all.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
These celebris are going not me.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I want sat there.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
They were there. They were there, eating the food, drinking
the liquor, going to these parties, and they knew what
was happening. They may not have attended the free cost
but it was not very secretive.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Yeah, yeah, the whispers were there. I recently wrote a
column for the Hollywood Reporter about this, and I used
to convince myself that I didn't know anything, And after
a lot of reflection, I came to the conclusion that
I didn't want to know anything. And there's a big
difference there. Celebrity, money, fame, Nancy. We've seen this happen
a lot. There was a lot of people around Michael Jackson,
there was a lot of people around oj Simpson. Fame,
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money power. It is intoxicating.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
And now I think a lot.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Of people out there who were in business with Puff
have a reckoning. They have to come forward, they have
to say anythink they're not, but I think they do.
I think eventually they've all got sets up.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Never know which way a
trial is going to go. You really don't know what
the witness is going to say. Who could have predicted elite,
who could have predicted all the motions from mistrial evidence
starts pouring from the witness stand during the state's case,
and you look at your client like, that is.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Nothing like what you told me really happened.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
It has literally been weeks in the Monahan Federal Courthouse
for the state.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
What does the defense hold to.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Step back and do a hell Mary right now? By
all accounts, Shawn Combs is at peak diddy as he
awaits the commencement of the defense case, and in a
shocking development, the defense has dwindled from five weeks to
four weeks to three weeks to two weeks to one day.
Is this real or is this just a fake off
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on the state so they'll be flat footed when it
comes time for a possible rebuttal case or even closing arguments,
the defense announcing they plan to rest in the next
twenty four to thirty six hours.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Can that be real?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Now? I want you to listen to what came out
in court, what Sean Combs had the gall to tailcass
even draw.
Speaker 10 (31:30):
A text chat in May twenty seventeen shows how differently
the couple views their relationship. Ventura writes to Combs, you
get up. You dragged me down the hall by my hair.
I'm thirty years old. This isn't play anymore. I was
scared of your rage. I talk out of line sometimes
and I do apologize, but that doesn't mean I don't
love you, and your love shouldn't equate to what you
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do for me. Physicality takes it somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Boris had to tackle you puff. That's not love, that's possession.
I have bleeding cuts.
Speaker 10 (31:58):
Combs responds that have been is unappreciative, saying I'm not
going to let someone done me when all I've done
is be nice. Any other woman in the world would
have been so happy you're whack for not keeping it
real when I and everyone knows you were acting like
a You know what.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I hardly know how to respond to that, but I
do know I would read it over and over and
over to the jury joining me. Tom Smith former NYPD
detective thirty years in narcotics, robbery, gang investigation, also FBI
Joint Terrorism Task Force. He is now the co host
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of the gold Shields podcast. You can find him at
the gold Shieldshow dot com. Tom. He's nothing more than
a thug and a pimp.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Did you hear this?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
She's saying I've got bleeding cuts. You dragged me by
my hair, and he says I'm not going to let
someone on me when all I've done is be nice. Really,
you saw the cast evenior beatdown video, right, Tom, All
I've done is be nice. Any other woman in the
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world would be so happy you're wack for not keeping
it real when I and everyone knows you were acting
like a That's exactly what pimps do to the prostitutes.
They coerce and beat into working for them, turning trick
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after trick after trick.
Speaker 12 (33:30):
Absolutely, it's all about intimidation and power and having something
over their victims.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
And that's what Cassie is.
Speaker 12 (33:38):
She's a victim and he exploited that at every chance
he could, with all that, with the beatings, with the dragging,
with the intimidation of ruining her if she didn't comply.
And that is all part of Sean Combe's persona when
it comes to this case, and that's what they're going
to nail him on. And that's the coercion that this
girl lived with with being with Sean Colmes, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Tom Smith. When you get a pimp, okay, And it's
usually the women, the sex workers that are prosecuted. The
pimp and the john, they're not prosecuted. It's a sex
worker the woman it gets prosecuted. In this case against
Shawn Combs, I say he is nothing more than a pimp.
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Could you explain how pimps manage to keep the women
that work for them in check?
Speaker 12 (34:31):
Well, it't all a fear. It's violence and intimidation. And
the difference in Shawn Combs and a normal street pimp
is that no one is going to go against a
street pimp because they're so scared where Seawn Combs, there's
so much corroborating evidence against him about acting like this
and what he's done to these victims. And that's the
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difference between going after a street kid and Seawan Combs.
And you're right, that's all he is is a pimp,
bottom line.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Doctor Bethany Marshall. So I want you to weigh in
on what Tom Smith has just said, because when I
look at Comes, I don't see a star. I see
a pimp. And every pimp I've ever prosecuted had to
be a felony by the time I got a hold
of it.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Bait the women.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Drugged, the women, threatened them, coerced them, threatened their families.
The way we saw what happened to the threats on
Cassie Ventura's family. They had to go take out a
home equity loan to bay his blackmail. According to the state,
it's the same thing. It's no different.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
But you know, Nancy, what breaks my heart the most
when I listen to these communications is what I see
in my office that women come in thinking at first
that there's a real relationship, that that man is going
to protect them, that the initial three way is just
a little bit of wild excitement at the beginning of
a relationship that the first outfit that the guy buys
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when they go shopping is like, oh my god, he
loves me. He probably has never bought a car tail
dress for anybody else before. So they do get seduced
into thinking there is a unique primary relationship.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Women do not choose to be abused.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
They get drawn in little by little, interaction by interaction,
and then once it becomes full blown. If you listen
to this interaction between p Ditty and Cassie, he's not
listening to anything she says. Nothing is taken in, nothing
is digested. He's just rejecting everything she says, and he's
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trying to get more and more power over her. So
for unfortunately for her, what begins as what is imagined
as a real relationship turns into a reign of terror.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Troy Slatin with me veter on trial lawyer out of
the La jurisdiction at Slaton Lawyers. Troy, I don't know
if you've managed to get the vision I've Sawn comes
hunched over that video screen, licking his lips and rubbing
his hands together, demanding extra time to watch Cassie Ventira
on v with the three six workers that he has
flown in for the freak off. I don't know if
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you can get that out of your mind and focus
on legal analysis.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I want to hear your take.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
There's no way he can get out of count three,
which is paying to bring sex workers across state lines
for prostitution. No way out at least on that count.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
Well.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
I know that the defense pointed out that this so
called escort company, one of them called Cowboys for Angels,
only advertises entertainment. They don't advertise that it's for the
purposes of sex. And I look at a really close analogy, Nancy.
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Imagine somebody in New Jersey hires a stripper, a male
stripper for a bachelorette party, and they cross state lines
for the purposes of performing at a at a bachelor
at or bachelor party. And then let's say some of
the people there at that party engage that entertainer for sex.
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Does that mean that the purpose of the transportation was
for legal entertainment, although in a sexual way, or does
that mean that that person was transported for the purpose
of a sex act. So I think that there's some
nuances there. And I also notice in the photographs that
you were showing, some of the evidentiary photographs like the astroglide,
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all lined up perfectly like it was on a shelf
at CBS. That was all done by an assistant. That
wasn't Diddy setting up all those bottles. That's what billionaires
and high net worth people do, even in their refrigerators,
in their sub zero, in their kitchen. They make sure
that every single bottle has the label facing forward. That's
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what people like to see, and that's likely what their
assistant set up for them. That doesn't mean that Diddy
was putting those things in the human door himself. That
was so his assistant could show that they were doing
something good for their for their value, for their time,
for what they were being paid for.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
That's what I see.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
You know, Slayton, you really are amazing. You are and
I've always heard the devil is silver tongued, and if
you listen to long, it's like a snake charmer. The
more you watch it, the more you become symbiotic with it,
and you're in the groove and you start accepting it.
(39:36):
You're really good like that. But let's talk about the
nuances you just described. So let's follow your train of thought,
your assertation technical legal term bs to its logical conclusion.
So you're trying to say, you call it I admire
that that okay, that Shall Combs with his own American
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Express card flies a sex worker. And it's not across
the border from Jersey to New York. It's from LA
to a sex worker.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
I think they call themselves an escort, which is not.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
From LA to New York.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And your theory is he was brought that far just
to dance around in some anal floss a G string,
and then Cassie Venturira suddenly said, oh my stars, I
must have sex with him on video, and I must
be beaten by Sean Combs in the middle of it
for not doing it correctly. So that would be your
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theory that Combs flew the sex worker, the male sex
worker across the country, a five hour flight to New
York and then to dance around in a G string.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
That's what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
That's the nuance lie that you just said.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Well, Nancy, I was never at one of Diddy's freakoffs.
I was never invited to any of the the White
Party or any of the other parties. So I'm telling
you I wasn't there. But what I can tell you
is that people can get caught up in the celebrity
in a moment. And although they may not have been
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transported for the purpose of the sex act, for actually
having sex, maybe they were transported for a legal reason
and then decided to engage in the sex act because.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
The to Carnegie Hall and and listened to the Nancy.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Maybe that's why they somehow they ended up butt naked
with a bunch of other sex workers raping Cassie Venturira.
Speaker 6 (41:42):
You tried to say that he's like no other street pimp,
But Nancy, here's the huge difference.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Is like every other street pimp.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Well here's the difference, Nancy. Every street pimp gets does
what they do for money. They're making money on it.
This was not some sort of enterprise that was making
Diddy money by allegedly transporting an escort. You call a
sex worker across the state line. That didn't make him money,
(42:10):
That cost him money.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Now we remember an American hero, Officer Tara O'Sullivan, Sacramento PD,
just twenty six, gun down in a line of duty,
had served only six months before she was shot dead,
survived by brieving parents Dennis and Kelly, American hero Tara O'Sullivan,
(42:36):
Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,
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