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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Diddy strikes back and the state braces for the defense
closing arguments. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us at
the courthouse Vegas. Odds even Shawn Comes will spend no
time behind bars, and Shawn Comes will spend life behind bars.
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It's all down to twelve jurrrs. We are headed into
a verdict. Watch here at Crime Stories. Now straight to
Crime Stories. Investigative reporter Sidney Sumner, Sydney. The state is
braced closing arguments going throughout the day. The state went
five hours in closing arguments and they were withering the jury,
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making notes furiously and leaning forward in their seats. That's
always a good sign. But you can't call this in
the fifth inning. No, there's a long way to go, Sydney,
Summer Today. Defense closing arguments start at the beginning with
Seawan Kinmes walking into the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
ALTONA must stay. What happened?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Well, Nancy, we have heard reports, but did he has
been greeting his lawyers with a yoga studio esque bow.
Class's hands together gives them a little nod of respect
as he greets them in the morning. Today is all
about decent.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Just stop right there? What what woll whoa whoa woe?
What a yoga zen thing? What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Well, Nancy, I don't know if you've ever been to
a yoga class. I used to attend pretty often. But
you just at the end of class, at the beginning
of class, you put your hands together and you do
a short little bow to everyone else in the classroom
to show your respect for everyone. And that's exactly what
Colms has been doing to all eight of his lawyers
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in the courtroom every morning when he comes to see them.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Sidney, you cannot live in New York City, in Manhattan
and not be subjected to a yoga class, particularly a
hot yoga class the worst.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
But what you're saying is like a zen. Nama stay
oh okay, you know what?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Straight out to Lynnshaw joining me, executive director, founder of
Lynn's Lawyers, dedicated to ending s exploitation, trafficking of women
and girls. You know, Nama, stay my rear end he
can nom stay his way all the way to the MDC.
He was an all Noma stay in the middle of
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all these free coughs. You know how big of a
stack they had to do, an eight hundred number for
all the women calling in claiming that they were victims.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Of Sean Comb's freak.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Offs, King Knights, Hotel Knights, whatever, whatever ephemism he wants
to use, these women claiming they were drugged in their drinks,
that they woke up covered in baby oil with their
vagina's herding, and he's allnomous day my rear end.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
What a slap in the face to all victims of
any kind of sexual exploitation abuse. I mean, this is horrific.
And you know what, I'm putting my money on the
jury that everybody can see right through this, this act
of contrition, because this is horrific that he's allowed to
walk into court an Easy's being all cute and calm,
and you know what, yesterday I was saying, I don't
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want to call him the nicknames. I've called him dirty
Diddy and things like that, But today I want to
go back to that because I am sick and tired
of this. Who is protecting, who is talking to, who
is giving advice counsel to these hundreds as far as
we know right, you know, victims of his probably thousands
over the years. So I'm just hoping that this playbook
of his, this dirty diddy playbook. Everybody's onto him, everybody's
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sick of him. And you know what, we have to
turn that focus and hope and hope and hope that victims, survivors.
Anybody watching this this he's turning it into a laugh
you know, a laugh stockfest here, you know, some kind
of festival.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
This is a court of law.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
He's supposed to be up for his life right and
the family and him and the lawyer singing. It's too much, Nancy,
It's just too much.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I know.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Did you hear that yesterday?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, you were with us last night when
we learned that Agnifolo, the defense attorney went on the
mic and started singing.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Her name was Lula.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
He started singing copa cabana and a sex trafficking trial.
And it just threw me over the edge because I
have dealt with rape victims. You know, look around, look around.
I'm looking around the studio. At least one in four
women had been sex assault victims. Think about that. Think
about it. People you'd never suspect have been sex assault
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victims and he's singing copa into the microphone, and now
Seawan comes comes in and does.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
A nama stay.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Really, he can chill out behind bars for the rest
of his life for all I care.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
What's the dichotomy? What is this?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Well, it's one more male and females do it to
minimizing the severity of sex trafficking. Nancy, I don't think
our nation or world really understands what sex trafficking is.
This whole question that maybe the women consented that means
they were in a relationship and not that they were coerced,
is so false when you think of the whole psychology
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of sex trafficking.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I just got to tell you he's got a nerve
coming into the courtroom at all. Namasteak no stay my
rear end okay? Joining us now outside the courthouse, Tisa
tells Tisa tailstar off teas Tales on YouTube.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
Tisa, what happened in court? Start at the beginning today,
Mark agnifil. It was like a roller coaster. He started
all strong. I was actually very impressed. Very quickly, he
took me down the path of disgust.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
Mark Pagnaffilial started off making a beautiful argument, and then
it turned into weird blaming things that Cassie she was
no angel. He even accused Cassie of saying she was
raped because she was dating her husband or is Mark
liked to put it the oldest trick in the book.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
I think he lost some of the jury.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
It was very disgusting, very very nineteen sixties coded misogyny.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
I don't know what happened, but it was weird.
Speaker 8 (06:40):
The biggest shocker is when Mark Agnofili was making his
a defense and.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
I'm not gonna lie. He was doing very well.
Speaker 8 (06:48):
The judge letters hot for break and all of a sudden,
Marine called me shot up and I knew she met
business because she did the call me lean. Every time
you see her lean slightly to the left, you know
this woman needs business. She bought up three objections and
said I was trying to be nice because he was
in the middle of giving his closing. But there are
three ways where he was grossly improper and across the line.
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One implying that the jury needs to judge why we
bought charges, telling them.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
What the law is telling them. The assault is only
a misdemeanor.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
This is improper, and what's more, we are demanding a
curative instruction right now. It was like a bomb went off.
The jury was out the room. Of course, she gave
him the respect of that. All the parties were arguing
back and forth as to whether there should be some
type of curative instruction. In the end, Shapiro was literally
going to war with the judge, saying, well, you don't understand.
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They did this and they did that, and we didn't
say anything. And the judge was like, okay, well that's you.
You should have And they're like, you know, you're bringing
this up. And the judge said, I'm not bringing anything up.
The prosecution objected, and I'm now addressing that objection. The
final point of the motive is the story, and the
moral of the story is he lost complete control of
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the jury after that, because when we came back from break,
the judge gave a curative instruction, telling them that don't
listen to market agnofilial about what he told you about
the government's motives. That's not your job, and moving forward,
when it comes to anything in the law, you don't
listen to the lawyers, you listen to me again. It
had a very chilling effect on the jury. Some of
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the jury looked not puzzled. But you can tell after
that when Mark came back to do his closing, he
had lost a little bit of his mojo, and that's
when he got into disgusting.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Cassie wanted it. She was in a victim land tasted tails.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Explained to me the dynamic in the courtroom during the
defense closing arguments.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
This is a funny thing. In the beginning, he was funny,
he was charming.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
He has an old Harley Golly hometown lawyer in a
big city act down pack. But he went too far
with the misogyny. When they were making the jokes in
the beginning, they were giggling along, they were nodding along.
They if one of them even met him with a
smile because he was making eye contact. But again when
he started going down on massogyny lane and actually saying that.
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One of the biggest shocking things where I think he
lost a lot of the jury is when he literally,
against all odds, rerounded the Intercontinental tape and then tried
to convince us. He literally started off by saying like,
it's unclear what happened in the tape.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Could have been Cassie's, could have been Shawn's. Maybe it
was sean, I don't know, we need to look into this.
Speaker 8 (09:38):
And then they walked us to the tape, framed by
frame and tried to show us how Cassie wasn't the victim,
and they even tried to paint a picture that she
was the aggressor and that no violence really happened to
quote what he said, that was just something they do,
and the way they were in the relationship. It was
shocking to see. And at that point some jurors were
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sitting there. They were looking at him like he was crazy.
One person had a look of disbelief. Everybody it stopped
taking notes and they were just looking at him. And
I think at that moment he realized he went a
step too far. He tried to reel it in, but again.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
He was off. He kind of lost some of the timing.
So it was a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Tastes of tales.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
We saw the female victims dragged through the mud and
the defense closing statement stating it's quote all about the money.
But when Cassie Vanteria took the stand, the money issue
was long over. Her civil case was settled before she
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took the stand, So what was her motivation to testify?
How was the jury reacting when Agnifolo referred to this
as being all about the money.
Speaker 8 (10:51):
Okay, where he started off on his road to to
peavity is by saying when he talked first, he started.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Off talking about Diddy and how he's self made and
blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 8 (11:02):
And by the way, there's not many that many black
billionaires to me.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Okay, Mark, what we just let it slide, Okay.
Speaker 8 (11:09):
The issue was when he literally started talking about Cassie's
and saying, Kathie's a millionaire, Cassie's fine, Caffie's not a victim,
almost applying that because she had to fight him too
for now, for that money, that we should let this
all go away. He even went so far as to say,
and Jane, I don't know where she is right now,
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and I'm sure she wants to be a good mother
to her son, but we know that he's sitting there
and she's sitting there probably watching this from the house
that Sean COLEMs is paying for.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
They kept putting it back the money.
Speaker 8 (11:42):
Cassie's not a real victim because she has thirty million dollars.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Cassie's not a victim.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
And then he started painting Cassie into this almost like
weird seductress Lolita. It was weird and it was disgusting
when he was like, Cassi knew what she was doing,
she lord Sean out to Miami and then May loved
to him. We are talking about a woman that was like,
at the very most, very early twenties and a man
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that was twenty twenty five years her senior, might have
even been double her age. Well, on top of that,
he went into how Cassie was playing Cuddy anteon. They
kept trying to paint her as this lolita vixen, that
all the men's by the nose. And this is when
they were even talking about the brutality that happened in
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the Intercontinental and the hotel room. Again, I think he
went too far. I think he lost a lot of people.
And it was really disgusting to see Pisa Tails, who
was in the courtroom for closing arguments for the defense.
His whole family was there. Everybody was there, everybody was eager.
The girls yesterday they seem to be tearful today they
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are trying to hold it together.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
He is in court with.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Everybody there, and they seem to have the rally call
with Mark Agnafilial. The only thing is with Mark Agnifilio,
I don't think he made the groundways he thought. It's
like every time he got a win, he went too
far and it would come back. But again, his family
was there, they were looking hopeful, tease of tails.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
What happens now?
Speaker 8 (13:13):
You know, I usually have so many fun things to
say about what's going on the trial. What happens now
is we really have to think is this a fight
for America's soul? At what point do we look at abuse?
What do we think is trafficking? And at what point
in twenty twenty five can we not have a defense
lawyer sit up there and basically say she wanted it
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and who cares if she suffered?
Speaker 6 (13:38):
She got thirty million dollars.
Speaker 8 (13:40):
The displays and the misogynist narratives that Mark Agnifilial.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Was spouting around, because I get it.
Speaker 8 (13:48):
You will do anything, You will make a pack with
the devil right now to get your client off. But
I really think he upped the ante and a lot
of people are looking at the jury to actually see
where are your lines?
Speaker 6 (14:01):
What do you have to believe? What do you believe?
And I think it's going to be very very interesting
to see how it plays out. That said, when you look.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
At the prosecution rebuttal, they definitely have Diddy dead to rights.
But it is going to be interesting on how much
this whole Cassie wasn't a victim thing actually can play
forward and get him out of the sex trafficking charges.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Sammy Sumner.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
After all the Anoma stay went down in the courtroom,
what happened.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, Mark Agnippolo came up to the stand to start
giving his closing arguments, and I'm curious to see how
short they're going to be. Are they going to be
just like the case in chief, only a few minutes,
wrapping this up nice and quickly for the defense. But
his very first words was, you've heard two different trials.
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You've heard the evidence trial and you've heard the prosecutor's trial.
The words coming out of their mouths and those these
words are extremely exaggerated. This is just a swinger's lifestyle.
That's what the evidence told you. But prosecutors are telling
you this was a crime.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Okay, here we go the minimization of what happened. That
the women are hysterical? Why is so always women are
hysterical and they're exaggerating. And the female prosecutor that gave
the closing arguments, which were brilliant, by the way, Christie
Slavic exaggeration. You know, Eric Fattus, there are women on
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that jury, right. Eric Fattus, veteral trial lawyer joining us
out of Colorado.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
He is the founding partner of Varner.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Fattest, elite legal and former felony prosecutor. That would be
the last thing that I wanted to do if I
were Lord help me. A defense attorney is claimed that
all the women are hysterical and exaggerating. You know, there's
some women sitting on that jury going, I what.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
Yeah, Nancy, there are sensitive issues in this case, clearly,
and as a defense attorney, you've got to make sure
you're not offending the sensibilities of the jurors. You can
be passionate, you can be a zealous advocate, but you've
got to be careful about, you know, playing into some
trope that women who have been victimized and who are
survivors were just you know, making it up or making
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a big deal out of nothing, or something like that.
And so I think he's got to really be careful
because he runs the risk of rubbing them the wrong way,
and then you know that impression is left with them
back in the deliberation room.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Straight back guy to Sidney Sumner, Crime Stories investigative reporter.
I understand that Sean Comes had his son, Christian Comes
along with what his god uncle Kanye very busy last night.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yes, they have.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Released an EP today and one of the songs on
that EP is called Biddy Free, and the lyrics say
that we aren't going to sleep until we see Diddy Free.
And the lyrics actually mention you, Nancy. They don't understand,
but they stand me. Tell him gives me grace, even Nancy.
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So this isn't the first song that he's released speaking
about his dad's legal troubles. And honestly, I don't think
they're doing any positive things for him. This Bible might
come in handy, this rifle might come in handy. I
don't think threatening gun violence is really doing much to
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persuade anyone that your dad is innocent of these crimes.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Okay, you know that your ours get to go home
every night, they are not sequestered, and they can be
exposed to this rap song created by God help him
Christian Combs and Kanye. Why you would want your child
around Kanye? I do not know, but that's a whole
other cans. Let's take a look at the lyrics. Ain't
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going to sleep till we see Diddy free, Ain't gonna
sleep till we see Diddy free. When it gets suss,
they try to play the victim, playing the victim. That's
an attack on the victims outspoken. I ain't keeping in
uh blah blah blah blah. Now you know, I noticed
part of it refers to a Plan B, which is
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an abortion drug which came up during this trial. It
says they ain't got to lose. What are they talking about?
The victims or the jurors? I ain't one of them.
And then it goes on to talk about astro what
astro glide? And it says, like, damn, why am I
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in the tabloids?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
You know what, that's a really good question.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Why comes as children have been dragged in to this?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
They are being.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Used as a pr tool And now you want to
tell me this happened without Sean Combs knowing that it
would drop just before the defense closing arguments. Further, looking
at the lyrics that dropped last night, the Bible might
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come in handy, like what it's a prop The rifle
might come in handy. I don't know if my dad
was charged with brandishing weapons, if that came out in
evidence that I'm referring to the Sugar Knight attack attempt
that the minions described on the stand. I don't know
if I would be talking about a rifle. Then of
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course Christ gets dragged in. It's one night. I want
Jesus Christ to answer. Then they want to stop me
the kid. They want to stop the kid like a plan.
B Okay, we heard the testimony, and we know about
whether the jury understands it fully that one woman was
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forced into an abortion.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
They don't understand me.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Tell them give me grace even Nancy, and it refers
to bad Boy throughout.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That would be bad Boy records. Okay, let's hear it.
They don't understand what they stand me. Tell them give
me grace even. Okay. You know some people ask, are
you angry? No, I'm not. I'm full of.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Remorse for what Seawan Colmes is doing to his children.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I'm Eric fattis joining me veteran try a lawyer. Have
you ever prosperedd a case where the children, unless they
were the victims, thought their parents did it, because I
don't think I've ever had a case where the children
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thought their dad was guilty. Even adult children, they never
believe the parent did it.
Speaker 9 (21:22):
And I can't think of one really. The family often
rallies around the defendant in these cases, you know, provides support.
They want to believe, They want to believe their family
member is not guilty of these heinous allegations, and that's understandable.
But oftentimes, like you mentioned, the family can be brought
in sort of as ponds, sometimes in the trial itself,
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sometimes outside the trial, especially in these highly publicized cases.
And I think a lot of folks think that that
maybe what was going on with Diddy and his children.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Let's take one more Listen to Diddy Free.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
This is released by possibly the only person in the
world that ain't Shawn Combs is innocent, and that would
be his son standing by him, God bless him, Christian
King comes and of course the illustrious Kanye.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
They don't understand what they stand me tell him give
me grace. Even then, me and you can be mad,
I have a spat, we can have whatever.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Than I did you better get on your job. That's really,
that's all it is.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
Ain't no threat.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I'm just being clear.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Get on your job, Get on your job. Get on
your job. That says to me, sex trafficking, get in
there in the free cough. It makes me so mad.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I think you a nail in half A videoed having
sex with multiple male sex workers, Shawn Combs, you can
kiss my hard working rear in. Throughout the defense closing arguments,
Magnifilow has done exactly what we expected, dragging the victims
through the mud. He spent the morning pacing back and
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forth and back and forth in front of the jury rail.
I always found that to be a crutch, a crutch
where you pause because you don't know what you're going
to say next. But that said, he is dragging the
State Star witness through the mud as we predicted. Sidney
Summer joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, what happened?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Well, Nippolo is making it seem that Cafi was not
afraid of Sean Holmes. In the slightest he says, they
all know there was domestic violence in that relationship, but
this was not about control. Their relationship was about love.
And interestingly, Agabillo pointed to Cafie's relationship with Kid Cutty
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as this huge reception and huge betrayal, and even point
called her a gangster for buying a burner phone to
communicate with Kid Cutty. So he's painting her to be
this cheer, this liar, this betrayer. But I want to
point that it wasn't even Kathy's idea to get that
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burner phone. Capricorn Clark was so terrified of what Combs
would do when he learned that Cassy was seeing another man,
and this was on a break. They had taken a break,
They were not dating at this point when she started
to see Kid Cutty, so there really was no overlap
here in Casey's mind. The Capricorn Clark, her close friend
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Comb Staffer warned her that she could not mention Kid
Cutty on cell phone that Comb's paid for, so she
went out and bought a burner phone to talk to him.
So I think it's interesting that agne Phillo was trying
to make that seem like, oh, Kathy wasn't scared of him,
she got a burner phone, like she had all of
this agency, in this power, and she had no reason
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to be afraid of him, when that wasn't even her
idea in the first place.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Straight out to doctor beth Andy Marshall announced psycho analyst
adjoining out of the Beverly Hills jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
She's the author of deal Breakers.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
You can see her now on Peacock and you can
find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Could I see
the video please, New York Control Room. Here's all the
love Agnifilo is talking about. There's one person that at
the get go look the other way. He tried.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
He tried to get Cassie Ventira to file a police report.
She wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
She just wanted to leave. Here's the love. There you go.
What about that, Doctor Bethany Marshall. There's all the love
Agnifilos talking about enclosing statements.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Magnifilo better mind his p's and q's with the jurors,
because jurors are real people, just like you and I,
and they can feel insulted by these kinds of arguments.
By now, we all know a sex trafficking that the
initial stage of the trafficker in trapping the victim, is
pretending that it's a love relationship. But it quickly deteriorates
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when they start to share sexual fantasies. The victim of
being with other people, the victim initially believes that they're
pleasing their boyfriend. Then it escalates to violence, which is
what we're talking about right now. Cassie had a burner
phone because she was afraid for her life, and for
good reason. Allegedly pitt Daddy went and threw a molotov
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or had one of his staff throw molotov cocktail into
Kid Cuttie's car. Of course she had a burner phone.
She's not stupid. She wanted to protect them and serve
their life.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
As much as I would love to talk about the
Molotov cocktail on k Cutty's car that obviously Sean Combs
did with his designer scarf as a wick, I'm talking
about love right now, all the love that we're seeing.
To Eric Fattis, let me talk to you about all
the love that Agnifilo is describing to the jury as
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if what they should believe him instead of their lyon
eyes when they saw that beat down at the Intercontinental.
Here's the thing before the so much close circuit TV
security cams, doorbell cams, you name it. Right. Very often,
the defense could get away with so much because it
wasn't on video. And I would have to argue, the
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jury's what do you want a video? Because there's not
a video. These things happen behind closed doors. You have
to decide who you believe him or her, right, And
I would argue, think about it, who's got skin in
the game, Who's got something to lose?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
He is looking at life.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Behind bars, he's got a dog in the fight. So
think about that when you weigh credibility. Who is telling
the truth? Who to believe? But now we have the video,
so Agnifello Wait, so Agnifilo is actually arguing.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
She loved him and he loved her.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So what are they supposed to just erase that video
out of their mind because we have the video?
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Exactly.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
I mean here, the defense can't really, you know, sort
of fabricate something about a really rosy and nice relationship
and rainbows and sunshine and everything else. You look at
the video and clearly it's much more complicated than that.
That being said, defense has no choice but to go
after Cassie's credibility. There have been some inconsistent statements, and
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that is the defense.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
See love Story with Ryan O'Neill and Allen McGrath.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Did you ever see it?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's a yes, no, simple yes, no fadus No, well,
maybe you need to brush up on love story. You
can even just listen to the song, Okay, and that
really is what Agnifilo's closing argument is. Okay, Lynn, I
know you're sitting down, but you may need to lay down.
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Sidney Soner correct me if I'm wrong, because this morning
in a very bold strategy.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Let me just say ephemistically.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Agnifilo calls the relationship between Combs and Ventura a great
modern love story. No, no, I don't know if that's
bold or just damn stupid. There's really no other way
to put that. He also told the jurors that the
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couple's text messages, many of them, of course, were sexually graphic,
were some of the quote most beautiful things I've ever read. Okay,
can we start with a great modern love story?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
When I'm almost speechless, but I'm going to try to
just pull myself up and go through this. First of all,
I did see Love Story, actually saw it in a
movie theater. I was a kid, but I saw it
in the movie theater. Women Love Women love to get beaten,
you know, pulled by their ne their hair, they're hoodie.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
They love to get kicked.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
When they're down. And you know what, this is the
same all playbook. I am such a broken record here
that we see every time I'm in court with victims
the justice system, they're always blaming them. That's what they
do because they have nothing else. The strongest piece of evidence,
in my opinion, is this video right here. And you
know what, I woke up thinking about something today, Nancy,
And I hope you just indulge me for a minute.
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You know, right now, everybody knows in public spaces and hotels,
we have cameras. So this guy isn't concerned at all
with kicking her, beating her, dragging her, knowing, knowing, probably
knowing there are cameras. You know what he's concerned with.
It occurred to me, he's concerned with holding his towel up.
Have you noticed he has his hand on it. He
tucks it in at one point, not concerned with the beating,
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holding his towel up, and Nancy, I'm going somewhere I
never thought I would go. He's afraid for his towel
to fall off off and I think you might have
that prop somewhere around you because he doesn't want people
to see his body. He doesn't care he's beating a
woman and we're all seeing it. We have video evans
about keeping that. There you go. I thought I'd never
go here, Nancy, but I have to go there because
I woke up thinking about it. He's more concerned that
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we don't see that t R. I don't want to
say the whole thing because this is a family program.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
That's what some.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
People were all so far to refer to it as
a little raisin. But that said, he does I don't
know anything about that. Well, he's holding that towel. He's
not concerned about beating. But can I can I get
your take on uh hey, wait wait for this. I'm
just wondering if the women, especially on the jurior, are like, what.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Is he saying?
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Has he lost his mind?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
You know that's that's a sign when I have to
say has he lost his mind? This many times in
one trial, referring to the defense attorney another thing, Agnifolo argued,
in addition to the horribly hey, can we show the
bruises on Cassie's side? These are just some of the
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brew uses. This is the loving relationship we're talking about now, Okay.
To doctor Bethany Marshall, Agnifilo calls the relationship between Combs
and his victim, Casi Ventira a quote great modern love story.
He also says that their texts referring to free coughs
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and graphic sex were a quote, some of the most
beautiful things I've ever read.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Poor thing.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
He obviously did not take English literature in college. But also,
you're sitting down right, Bethany. Okay, Because Agnifilo argues to
the jury, wait for it. Combs and Ventor were, quote
their best selves when it came to sex. It was
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a relationship based on love and intensity.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
You mean the intensity of his right hook.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Best sex.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Us of sex worker urinating in her mouth, mouth sores, vomiting.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Remember Scott Peterson, the one in the Midwest, the police
officer who wrote a Valentine's note to his wife saying
nothing says I love you like a glock and then
she ended up dead. That's where violence and love get
confused as one and the same. Violence and love are
not the same thing at all. They're very different. They're
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different properties, they're different attachment styles. I see no evidence
of love in this relationship, none at all. Why would
Cassie love somebody who abuses her? In fact, I think
it's more of the Stockholm syndrome. These supposed love letters
are when the victim is just happy that the perpetrator
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hasn't killed them. They feel inordinately grateful to still be alive,
and then they placate the abuse, sir, so that they
will not be abused again. That's not a love letter, Nancy,
that's a sex traffic victim trying to keep herself safe.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
P did he was walking on sunshine today, Twinkle Tools
just dancing into fair feeling extremely confident going into closing argument,
and they're acting like he is going to get away
with something here.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
This is a man that thinks he's going to walk away.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Straight back to Crime Stori's investigative reporter on the case
from the beginning, Sidney Sumner joining us. Okay, so in
closing arguments this morning, a niffelo hit and he hit hard,
basically conjuring up the love song of love Story with
Ryan O'Neill and Alan McGraw, Right, could you please refresh
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your recollections on what he actually fixed his mouth to
say to the journey.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
His words exactly were a great modern love story, describes
the relationship between Sean Cones and Cassy Ventura, and he
said that their text messages were some of the most
beautiful things I've ever read.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Okay, Doctor Bethany Marshall, Doctor bethany, Where do I begin
to tell the story of how great a love can be?
The sweet love story that is older than the sea,
the simple truth about the love she brings to me?
Where do I start?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
See?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
That's the problem right there, what Agniffil is doing right there,
He is transplanting love onto vicious beatings where the victims
would get mouth sores, stomach ailments, STDs that were so
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strong that antibiotics would work on them anymore. The beatings,
the draggings, the slices to the head, and he calls
this the greatest love story he's ever sane. Is anybody
buying that that's why women continue to be beaten and killed?
Speaker 5 (36:21):
He's saying it was a great love story. We can
all see that there was no love there at all.
But you know, Agnifilo is actually engaging in a logic
flaw because let's say there was love, which there wasn't,
that doesn't matter in terms of the charges. All that
has to be proven is that once he used force,
fraud or coersion to get somebody to perform sex acts.
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So why does it matter if there was a great
love story, which we know there wasn't. But most of all,
this this just serves as a huge disservice to women.
And I think it's interesting that a man is making
this argument. Doesn't he have daughter's sisters, a mother. Doesn't
he know what sex abuse is. I know he's just
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trying to mount a defense, but I don't know how
he could get up there and just lie. It's so
so unfortunate. It's like he's manipulating the jury.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Another thing that we must keep in mind is the
state has the right to a rebuttal argument.
Speaker 10 (37:22):
Explain very quickly, Eric Faddus. Because the state has the burden.
They get essentially two closing arguments, an initial one and
then the defense goes and then the state goes again,
and it really has to be responsive to the defense's
argument and encountering some of the points defense makes during
their closing argument.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Guys, the world has known what was happening behind closed
doors forever. The fans finally acted when Cassie Venturer bought
a civil lawsuit and got a settlement of twenty million dollars.
The very next day, Seawan comes issuing a pathetic, sad
seck apology that win out on his insta. I mean
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even Eminem rapped about it. Listen, well, I'm like so many.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
He didn't just fail the word rapper and the avout.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Did he. He didn't just say raper, did he? I mean,
come on, he is rapping about it. He's waving it
right under the Fed's noses. Everybody knew. Okay, uh, what
about this on Conan? And this was years before these charges.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
When you go to a hotel, anytime you go to
a hotel, you don't just check in the way everybody
else does. You send someone ahead to prepare the hotel
room for you. It's called preparing the sexy.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Of course, as we learned at trial, the people really
preparing the sexy as he refers to it, or the
minions translation in legal terms, all of the employees and
co defendance, co conspirators that create a c i'minal enterprise.
Now that was from our friends at late night with
Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
And there's more if we work hard, and I just
like I like my room.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
To be sexy. Sure, you like to prepare the sexy,
is what you're saying. You can't just count on the sexy,
prepare the sex sy.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
You have to make sure you go, you go through
the proper measures to make sure that you're sexy is there.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
When you are arrived.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Can you say criminal enterprise?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
All of the employees that had to clean up the
free costs one involved two slipping falls. The oil, the
baby oil was so deep and thick in the room.
Again from our friends at late Night with Conan O'Brien
and wait for it comes even goes on National TV
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and jokes about locking women in the hotel room.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
If you don't have what they need, they're gonna leave, right,
Gotta keep them there, right, need locks on the doors.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Okay, this is sounding kind of dangerous. Now that's a
little kinky.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
But yeah, again from our friends at late Night with
ConA O'Brien, Doctor bethany Many, a true word is spoken
in jest.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I mean all of the predictors were there.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
This is a true confession. And if it had been
a female host. Do you think she would jokingly say
this sounds dangerous. She would look at him and say
this is inappropriate. So I'm really concerned about how men
are conspiring in the situation to minimize what is happening.
You know that Eminem's song Nancy, he's not minimizing it.
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He is calling Sean Combs out because Eminem has a
daughter he loves, Hayley. Eminem is very protective of women.
So here he's outing p Diddy and nobody pays attention.
It's like a societal collusion on the fact that women
should be oppressed in this way.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
You know, it brings to mind to Sidney Sumner, Crime
Story's investigative reporter, that moment of testimony, and if I
were the prosecut in this case, I would be beaten
on this with a hammer. If I had a hammerman,
I'd be singing out in the courtroom where Cassie Ventura
in the middle of a beating, people were just standing
around doing nothing. And she looked at them and to me,
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this is a poignant moment of his trial.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
And she said, can't you see what he's doing?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
To me? Why aren't you doing anything? And I would
put it to that jury. Are you going to be
one of them? Why aren't you doing anything convict him?
Do you remember that moment in trial, Sidney Sumner, Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
That was former assistant George Kaplan testifying about one of
the violent incidents he witnessed that led to him quitting,
leaving this job, saying I can't be a part of this.
And that was on a twenty fifteen flight to Las
Vegas on Comb's private jets, and Caplan said that he
heard the sound of glass shattering, and he turned to
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look at the couple and he saw Cassy laying with
her back on the ground, powering, covering her face with
her hands, and Cones was standing over her, holding a
whiskey glass over his head, poised to like throw this
at Cathy's face. And in this standoff, Cassey screamed out,
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isn't anybody seeing this? Because there's other security guards Kaplin's
on this flight. They were not alone on this plane
with Kaplan, and multiple people saw this and did nothing.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
We are headed to a verdict.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Watch here at crime Stories as we wait for justice
to unfold in the Monahan Federal Courthouse, we remember an
American hero, Sergeant J. D. White, Angleton PD, just fifty one,
killed in a line of duty. Served nineteen years.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
In LA law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Lie's behind a grieving wife, Amy and children Jonathan, Austin
and Rachel American hero J D.
Speaker 8 (43:09):
White.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,