June 25, 2025 • 42 mins
In a stunning move, prosecutors in the federal criminal trial against disgraced rap mogul Sean “Diddy” Combs pulled back some key testimony today—specifically related to attempted kidnapping, arson, and aiding and abetting sex trafficking.
This unexpected development comes just one day after Diddy addressed the court for the first time, telling Judge Arun Subramanian that he would not take the stand in his own defense. According to TMZ, in a letter issued to the judge, prosecutors stated that the government is following his instructions to “streamline” the jury instruction
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Philip Dubé- Former Court-Appointed Counsel, Los Angeles County Public Defenders: Criminal & Constitutional Law, Forensics & Mental Health Advocacy
- Dr. Chloe Carmichael - Clinical Psychologist, Author: ‘Nervous Energy: Harness The Power of Your Anxiety”, Twitter: @DrChloe, drchloe.com
- Brian Fitzgibbons- Director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, Leads a team of investigators specializing in locating missing persons, www.uspasecurity.com, Instagram: @uspa_nationwide_security, former Marine and Iraq war veteran
- Dani Pinter - Senior Vice President and Director of Law Center, National Center on Sexual Exploitation, website: endsexualexploitation.org
- Rob Shuter - Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast, can be found at robshuter.substack.com, Former publicist of Sean Combs, IG: @naughtygossip
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on Youtube, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss, Facebook: Tisa.Tells.3
- Sydney Sumner - 'Crime Stories' Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Diddy sucking up to the judge and demanding the charges
me thrown out. This Didty's revenge ahead. The state is
bracing for a Diddy Hollywood style closing argument, and Diddy,
in the last hours throws in the towel, putting up
(00:20):
zero defense witnesses and refusing to take the stand. I'm
itsy grease. This is crime stories. I want to thank
you for being with us. Ity, bitty ditty cheap skate.
He's ordering up a sex worker like he's ordering a
Pepperoni pizza from Papa John's haggling about the thief for
the sex worker. He even has an unpaid balance his own.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Cheapness is the reason why the FETs have this little
break from trail.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We've gotten our hands on a letter from the US
Department of Justice where the state is now streamlining charges.
I think I know what they're up to. All charges
are still being prosecuted, sex trafficking, RICO, transporting prostitutes to
engage in illegal sex acts. The three original charges remain.
(01:09):
This as a state is streamlining how they're going to
prove those charges as they weighed into closing arguments. Welcome everybody.
We are headed into a verdict watch here at Crime Stories.
And joining us just outside the courthouse is investigative commentator
Tisa Tails. She's the star of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa,
(01:32):
thank you for being with us. Tisa. First of all,
did he sucks up to the judge? What did he say?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Did he look like he was trying to stop be
an extra.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
In the Green Mile.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
We've been watching this man's physicality all for.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
The last six weeks. We know the way he talks,
we know the way he cocks his head. Unfortunately, we
know the way he.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Looks when he's aroused, and we also know what he
looks like when he is angry.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
He's sat up there when he had to tell the
judge and make the official announcement.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Listen, I'm not going to testify it, okay, And honestly,
when it comes to the Diddy team, I have to.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
See it to believe it.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
He hopped up, had his arms at the side, acted
like he was an extra.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
In the Green Mile and said hello, Hi, your honor,
and he's like, Hi, do you understand what's being sent
to you? Yes? I do, And the judge tried to
move on and he sait a.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Minute taste of Tails, Taste of Tails, Taste of Tales.
Hold on. For some reason, you are completely covered with
photos of Seawan combs laid up on the red carpet. Okay,
I want to see Tasa tails and I want to
see Tasta tales. Reenact the whole thing I heard, green mile,
I saw nothing. Okay, start over, let me see the
(02:45):
whole thing.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So did he jumps up right, because for some reason
he thinks shooting up is the best thing to do.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
He jumps up. The whole court is like, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
The jet says Hi, I just want to make sure
that you understand that you are.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Using that to testify.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yes, yes, how are you doing your honor?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I do, And may I just say you're doing an
excellent job.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Then Judge looked at him like, Okay, I appreciate that.
Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It was sech an awesome display of arrogance, and it
lets you know, maybe this is how he got to
the top, the fact that in his mind he still
thought he was running things.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
And he still thought that he was putting.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
A gold star on Judge Aaron's forehead by saying, I
think you're doing an amazing job.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, thanks for that buddy again. It was arrogance in
his full display and the way that Diddy is still
trying to cosplay a character out of the Green Mile,
looking almost acting like he.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Doesn't know where he is, and you know, a big
lovable oath that is being falsely convicted again and we
see why Diddy only made it a music and never
made it an acting.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It was. It was a mess.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
It was an absolute mess.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well wait a minute, Wait a minute. There was that
episode in monster Ball where he played let's say, what
a convicted felon behind bars? He was very convincing at that. Okay,
hold on, I gotta go out to Rob Shooter. Rob
Shooter is joining me, star of Naughty but Nice podcast.
He's at robshooter dot substat dot com. I just read
(04:15):
your article. Reread your article in the Hollywood Reporter, but
for my purposes. He was the pr guru for Sean
Combs no longer. Can you just see this playing out
a hate shooter. I don't know if you remember my
old co anchor, Johnny Cochrane. May he rest in peace.
I never agreed with the thing he said, but I
learned a lot from him. He had a way with
(04:38):
people you know he walk into a room. I saw
him do this a million times. He'd take a few
steps into the room and then stop and just wait,
drink me in and guess what he was right? Everybody
loves Cochrane. Okay, he did the same thing with Eto,
Judge Eto during the oj Simpson trial. He'd walk in
and go, your honor, you're looking very well today, your Honor,
(05:02):
very handsome. I like your suit. I mean it went.
We were all like, please stop, but it worked. Po
was totally starstruck. He would do a backflip for Cochrane.
It actually worked. Did it work this time? And have
you ever seen Sean Combs turn on the charm when
(05:22):
he has to?
Speaker 7 (05:23):
I have seen nothing but Puff turn on the charm.
That's why he had a career for as long as
he had one. This guy's charming. I've been saying it
all along, and it's very difficult to use that word
when all this awful, awful evidence is being presented. The
Puff that I saw was charming. He was funny, he
was witty. He almost too could pretend to be humble.
(05:44):
It's a shocking thing in celebrity Nancy, but a compliment.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Wait, you know what Sorry, shooter, but I'm not in
the pr world. I'm in the crime world. Don't say
it unless you can prove it, and you got to
prove it with hard evidence. So I want to hear examples.
When did Sean Combs ever put on the humble act?
(06:09):
Because I see him wearing his capes and his dough
ropes and dripping in jewelry. I don't see the humble like.
I've never seen the humble like. Please enlighten me.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Yeah, well, you're not in those rooms. When he wanted
a deal, when he had to go up to Mace's
and Bloomingdale's here in New York and try to get
them to sell his clothing line, he acted pretty humble.
It was not above him to turn up with goodies,
bake goods, flowers, cakes, things to make people feel special,
and it often works. I know we all like to
(06:39):
think that we are above a compliment. I know we
all like to think that when somebody flatters us, we
can see straight through it. Nine times out of ten,
in my experience, we can't. Puffy can be charming. He
knows what he's doing. It's all an act, but it's
an act that he has perfected.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
You had me at bait goods. Okay, can I hear
about that? Are you listening to this tist of tales?
I want to hear about the bait goods.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
Huff would often send baskets of muffins of bait goods
to people that he wanted to be friends with, people
he wanted to be in business with. When Puffy wanted
his fragrance collection, he desperately wanted his own fragrance. He
got one that was relentless. How he pursued the lord
as he would turn up at their charity events. He
(07:28):
would turn up at their benefits. He would send notes
to them. Puffy was the king of the follower. He
loved sending notes. In the trial, we heard how he
would pick up the phone himself and call people that
he wanted something from. He'd call them my angel, my
best friend, my dear savior. So Puffy plays this game
(07:50):
really well, and he's been playing it for a very
long time.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
You know what robs here the encyclopedia. It's amazing. I
have no idea what I'm going to ask you. Guys.
We don't use scripts, we don't have prepared questions. It
all just happens, just like in a trial, and shooter
always has an answer. You know why because he witnessed
(08:13):
this for years. So Tisa tels, I guess that Seaan
comes is like one inch away from handing the judge
a basket of muffins. Tell me again, what did he
say to the judge? Did it work? Oh, dear Lord
and Heaven, go ahead already, I'm braced.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Okay, it did not work at all. Actually we had
to actually laugh and Judge ERNs, I.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Don't know how did he was not humiliated. Judge Aaron's
reaction was like literally he looks for a second like
what is wrong with you? Then he realized the whole
courtroom was looking at him, and then he just said, okay,
I appreciate that anyway, moving on. It fell so flat
it even Diddy was even thrown up and may say, you're.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Doing an excellent I think I think you're doing an excellent.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Job, your honor.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
What did he expect to happen while he's standing there
looking trying to look like a three year old that
got caught stealing cookies, and the judge looking at him
like what are you up to?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Okay, let's just move on?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And then did he still sitting there, and I swear
you could fill the prosecution just grimacing like, oh why
did he do this?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And he kept on moving after that. He kept saying, yes,
your honor, No, your honor.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think I do.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Let me ask again.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
He tried to reduce himself to the mental capacity of
a three year old, and the whole time the judge
was just looking at him, just so puzzled.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I hear what Rober they're saying. But you know what,
I think this might be the limit of his star power.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
I think something about being in a federal corp room
Undernditt that for grand jury.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I don't think that little humble, gracious did he act
is working.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Philip D. Bay joining me, veteran trial lawyer out of
the LA jurisdiction. Well, let's both take off our prosecutorial
line defense hats and analyze what's happened. I think the
state did a very wise thing. Okay, charges the three
(10:14):
charges of sex trafficking, reco right and traveling sex workers
across state lines for engaging in prostitution. Those are the
three charges Sean Combs is being tried on RICO. One
of those charges requires predicate acts, which means felonies that
(10:36):
have happened, two of them within ten years. That shows
the criminal enterprise. Do you agree so far? Yes? No? Yes, Okay.
What the state has done they have jettisoned some of
the charges that we're going to be used as predicate acts,
some of the claims they're not the three charges for instance.
(10:58):
And I'll tell you why. I think it was a
smart thing, the kid Cutty claim. It's very obvious that
Sean Combs arranged the arson on kid Cutty's car, right,
But we don't have an eyewitness, we don't have fingerprints,
and we don't have DNA, so it's weak. It's obvious
he did it circumstantially, but it's weak. And to go
(11:19):
forward with that would hurt the state. And I'll tell
you why, because once you go forward with the claim,
you can't totally prove it taints the rest of your case.
On Capricorn Clark the kidnap, where she says he held
her against her will on two occasions, right, Yes, the
(11:41):
way he held her against his will? Was it in
a car? Was it in a different room. A lot
of people perceived kidnap is throwing you in the back
of a car trunk putting a sack over your head
so you can't see, and taking you to a cleandestine location.
That's not what happened. So if there's a ability problem
with Capricorn Clark, the kidnapping is weak, right, So the
(12:06):
state is now relying on a more streamlined sex trafficking
rico prostitution charge. Now you explain it your way before
we start throwing stones. I see what the state has done.
I get it. Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
Well, first of all, I think it was brilliant what
they did, because remember, all the predicted acts are defined
under state law. So for example, if there were an
attempted kidnap under California law, for example, they have to
prove that there was a direct but ineffectual act toward
its commission. And you try to explain the definition of
that to twelve moon rocks sitting in the jury box,
(12:42):
they're not going to get it. Not to mention the
fact that it's hard to prove you don't have a
direct or ineffectual act. And likewise, with the arson, there
is zero evidence that Diddy had a hand in that arson.
So what direct but ineffectual act do they have on
his part that he committed an arson? Namely the throwing
(13:05):
of a Molotov cocktail at kid Cutty's car. It's just
not there. So why proceed on something that you cannot prove.
You'll only confuse the jury and they may just throw
their hands up in the air and say, you know what, Feds,
you have overcharged this case. This is just swinging and
swapping consensually.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I agree, now you know what I think they should
have done. Of course, it's so easy when you're Monday
morning quarterbacking. They should not have included those as predicate
acts to start with, right, because I was a fed
three years for one case, debay one case. I would
have rooms full of boxes full of documents, all right,
(13:49):
so they knew what the evidence was. And it always
makes you look weak when you back off of something.
Backing off of these is the smart thing to do
because it tanks the rest of the case. But I
wish they had included it to start with. Here's another
thing for you to think about. Because it was part
of the original case, it cannot be claimed now that
(14:10):
it was character evidence, see what I mean. So all
that has come in the arson, the kidnap, and more
bad acts see under other circumstances, that would not have
been allowed. You see what I'm saying here. So actually
the state has gotten this evidence in legally. Now they're going, hey,
(14:31):
we're backing off these charges, but they've already gotten the
damning evidence in. I may be going to deafcom four
in the law here, but this could actually help the state.
Do you see where I'm going with this. They've got
that bad character evidence in legally because it was part
of the predicate acts, but now it's been jettisoned. But
(14:53):
they've already gotten the damning evidence in. See what I'm saying.
They got their cake, and they ate it too.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Of course, so now the defense is going to be
entitled to with jury instruction that they're only to receive
that those prior predicate acts not for their truth.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Would really seriously a jury instruction on that. If I
were the defense, I wouldn't touch that jury instruction with
a ten foot pole. And I'll tell you why. Yeah,
you go on and do that and remind the jury, Hey,
you know all that stuff about kid Cuddies Arson his
car being bombed, that doesn't count. Don't listen to that.
(15:28):
Forget you ever heard it? All that stuff about Arson,
all the other state charges. Forget you ever heard it?
It's re ringing the bell, it's reminding the jury about
what happened, and they're like, why don't they want us
to remember that? Okay? Hold on, Tisa tells, joining us
from outside the courthouse, Tisa, I want to hear also
(15:53):
about Sean Combs is it's the quickest case ever for
the defense, and it gave Sean Combs a chance to
stand up in court and speak without taking the stand.
It's called elocution. Was the jury there when he said
I'm not taking the stand.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
The jury unfortunately missed his with three mile two performance.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
The only people in the room or his adoring public.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
In his mind, the judge who's his number one fin
and of course his ever present defense counsel.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
So thankfully the jury was spared seeing that performance.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
He wants free clothing, free tickets to Fashion Week, free everything,
reduced prices for illegal sex workers, which hello, is illegal.
Yet there he is all laid up in a luxury
suv wearing two huge diamond earrings. Let me tell you
that ain't Qubi Zarconia trying to cut a deal. It's
like trying to bargain with a hooker. Excuse me, sex
(16:54):
worker Rob Shooter. He wanted to get reduced prices from
sex workers. Did I just hear that?
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Man?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
He's a millionaire and he's haggling over the price of
a cowboy from Cowboys and Angels.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Yeah, we spoke about it on your show before anybody did.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Did.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
He was incredibly cheap. He didn't want to pay for anything.
He didn't want to pay for dinners, he didn't want
to pay for tickets when he went to concerts. He
didn't want to pay for clothing. He wanted everything for free.
So I'm not at aol surprise here. But he's even
haggling trying to get down the price of a sex worker.
This is who he is. He ain't going to change.
(17:35):
His money is for him, not for anybody else. He
holds on to it.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Tisa Tel's joining us outside the courthouse. She's a story
of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Investigator and commentator, Tisa, you've
been in the courtroom. I want to hear about the
Google the Eyes Part two.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
As the defense was putting on their ten minute case
where they were basically reading text messages, he was looking
over trying to.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Act like he was looking at what's Moorland.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
But he was looking over with this puppy dog slash
innocent past Google look on, this googly eye look on
his face that literally just had him look over and
the jury was just looking back.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Now here's the thing. The jury has completely changed from
a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
They were not making eye contact with them at all,
which maybe.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Jura six leaving life in the best moment. It had
a chilling effect on the jury. But the second thing
that happened where the googly.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Eyes really hit, is they're trying to ignore the pound
puppy eyes and then all of a sudden, out the blue,
the defenses we rest our case. Half of the jury
had their eyes glazed over from reading their text messages.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
The other half had a look of shock, and it
literally looked took ten seconds for the hit, like wait,
what what did they say?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
The jury was absolutely shocked, and it was a nice
thing to say. I think in that moment did He's
team probably really questioned.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Whether they did the right not having any witnesses on
the stand.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I want to get back to first of all, I
got to talk about everything that you just said because
I need to analyze it. I want you to act
out the google the eyes. When were the google the eyes?
And I'm very concerned that first the jurors won't look
at Combs, and now they are looking at him. That's
bad for the state. For them to be making a
lot of eye contact with the defendant. That's not good
(19:25):
unless it's a disgusted look. So first of all, tell
me about the google the eyes and please act it out.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
The google the eyes. He sat there. He did that again.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
He's acting the green mile too, softened his shoulders, almost
like he wanted to melt.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Looked up. Ward's looking at his defensive attorney, saying, mommy,
what's going on.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
What's going on is you are the devil and you're
being held accountable.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
He looked over at the jury, kind of wanted to
have a hangdog expression and was looking at the corner
of his eyes. Of course, he had to be very
calculating about it because he's not allowed to look directly
at the jury. He was looking at his defense attorneys.
It happened to be at a sharp right right by
the jury, and.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
We're just sitting there looking over looking confused, as if
he wasn't the reason and we just didn't have to
sit through a combined amount of what felt like forty
minutes of freak all tapes.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
For it literally combined over the last week, it was
forty minutes of hardcore Triple X freak all tapes.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And now he's sitting there in that yellow sweater just
looking so confused. It was so baffling.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But again I will say one thing, that man has
no shame at all, and if he could take an inch,
he did it. Again, the jury was not looking at him.
They were looking straight. They were some jurys were looking
at the wall, some were looking at the judge. Some
people were looking at Esteban. I think she was standing
up and talking. But again, it was a mixed bag.
(20:53):
When they said the defense rest jury faces the people
that were flitting.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I got to addressed the good the eyes first, then
I'm going to get to the jars going what okay,
when did the google the eyes happen? When did that happen?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
The googly eyes happened? As they stood.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Up and mounted their ten minute defense, when they started
reading text messages, I think it was seven to ten minutes.
They started reading random text messages.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You know, and everybody thought it was his business as usual.
All of a sudden, you saw his shoulders slump.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
He saw him start to look over at his defense team, who,
by the way, the person reading the messages was one
rope up.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
So you're looking the wrong way, sir.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
What's just the first indication that here we go and
saying action?
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
He slumped, He looked over, he looked over, he looked confused,
and then he decided to swing his googly eyes to
his immediate right and the direct line of jury to
its defense attorney looking over there. Again, it was a
sight to see. It was pathetic, but hey, if your
life's on the line, desperate times call for desperate measures.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Shooter, I told you this was going to happen when
it comes right down to it. And the same thing
happened with Scott Peterson. To say, it always happens when
the defendant is not gonna take the stand. They make
a big show like they're holding me back. I want
to I really want to tell the truth. But in
this case, he was doing the look in front of
(22:25):
the jury. I mean, really, this is the guy I
just saw beat thee. I gave up cursing when I
had the twins the craft out of Cassie Ventura, the
fat lip, the eye, plastic surgery, the bruises. Hey, you
know what control? Can you pull up? That picture's way
back and of the bruises on her side, that's right
(22:49):
over her kidney for Pete's sake, covered in bruises, and
he's doing the puppy dog look at the jury. You
know what, saving comes.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
I think he's making a really smart move, Nancy, and
I fear it's going to work. I've seen it work.
I've seen this happen many many times, not just with Puffy,
but with other celebrities that are on trial. We've got
to remember celebrities really really powerful. Maybe not to the experts,
the people that we speak to for people on a jury.
People in the world go nuts for celebrities. I've worked
(23:21):
for a lot of celebrities, but not even that talented.
But they're stars. They know how to get us to
buy what they're selling. And that's what Diddy is doing today.
He's selling his freedom as if it is a fragrance.
He is out there promoting it, and I predict Nancy,
it's going to work.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You know what I is an uplifting note from rab Shooter. Okay,
back to Teasa tails Tisa, you told me about the
google the eyes. Now I want to hear when did
the jury start making eye contact and what kind of
eye contact. Is it discussed eye contact or is it, oh, no,
you're not going to jail comes contact.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
So the out contact was like, wait, did we just
hear that? And the jury's defense they weren't even though
Diddy was trying to make that connection. The moment was this,
when Ditty was doing the googly eyes, the jury was
looking left, right, up down.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
They were determined not to give any type of eye
contact or even acknowledge. Then all of a sudden, after
seven minutes of boring text messages, which for the last
three days has been business as usual, they finally said
the defense rests the people that have been the jurors
that have been paying attention.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Was like what And they looked over very surprised, like
what did we hear?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And they looked over in Diddy's direction and to his
defensing direction. And then seven to ten seconds later, the
other jurors and I guess it had been, you know,
going over their grocery lists in their mind, were all
of a sudden in real life that something had happened,
and they were looking over.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Everybody was looking over at the defense table in like
very much either shock or we couldn't have heard this
break wasn't until the judge said, okay, well thanks.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
So much, we'll see you tomorrow that they literally got
up and just very still didn't believe what was happening,
walked out of the room, very very confused, and in
that moment, I can't just help a chuckle to myself
and wonder did the defense regret at that moment or
at least rethink maybe.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
We should have put on a few witnesses and maybe
this isn't going to play out the way they thought
it was.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Sean comes with a rolex on I think that's what
that is. I don't think it's a fake in the
backseat of a luxury suv wearing diamond earrings and a
dope rope.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
This man knows what top shelf quality is.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
He's showing off his orthodontics too.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I mean, look, he just opens his mouth ever so
slightly so you can see all those beautiful veneers, the
defense rest and the jury looking confused and perplexed when
that was announced in open court. This, as we learned
the state is stream lining its case. In order to rico,
you have to have underlying felon these predicate acts. The
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state is no longer trying to go forward on ourson.
They're no longer trying to use kidnapping. They think the
evidence was weak on those two and they're right, Am
I convinced, Yeah, I think you did it, but it
was weak. So they're throwing it overboard with me an
all star panel to make sense of what we're learning now.
(26:26):
Straight out to doctor Chloe Carmichael joining us and renowned
clinical psychologist, author of Nervous Energy Harness The Power of
Your Anxiety. Doctor Chloe, thank you for being with us.
I've got to hear your take on Sean Combe's homemade
muffins and google the eyes in front of the jury. Yeah,
(26:50):
I know, Nancy, it's unbelievable, right.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
I was thinking about what you shared earlier about how
Johnny Cochrane would you walk in and maybe compliment the
judge similar to the that Shawn Combs did, and it
worked for Johnny Cochrane. However, of course, the big difference
is that Johnny Cochrane wasn't entering the courtroom as an
accused criminal. And I thought it was a great example
(27:13):
of Diddy Combes's just grandiosity there that even in that moment,
he thought he could charm the judge. Now, abusers are
often very good at pouring on the charm and about
the googly eyes and whatnot. You know, when an abuser
has done something wrong, he's usually very good at, you know,
putting his tail between his legs and acting so sorry.
(27:34):
And that's probably worked very well for Shaan Combs in
the past. But the fact that he would attempt that again,
even complimenting the judge, that he wouldn't realize that that's
an off note. I think it really suggests that there's
a level of desperation there that he's feeling. Because we're
I think we're looking at someone that's really an extreme narcissist.
(27:56):
I mean, even as you mentioned earlier that he was
trying to haggle about the price the sex workers and
things like that, I think that there's an element of
grandiosity where he probably frankly in his mind, thought that
they should be paying to be in his presence for
that type of interaction. Believe it or not, I think
we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg of the
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narcissism here.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Also joining us in addition to doctor Chloe Carmichael is
Danny Pinter joining us out of DC. She is a
senior VP and director of the Law Center at the
National Center for on Sex Exploitation. Danny, thank you for
being with us. I was forcing tastes of tales to
act out what she saw in court. There are no
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cameras in federal courtrooms, and I can just see Sean
Colmes making the puppy dog eyes, the Google de eyes
at the jury, acting all confused, like where am I?
How did I get here? Will it be hard for
jurors to reconcile what they're seeing in the courtroom with
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the Cassie Ventura beat down tape? Thank Heaven that tape survived,
and it almost didn't, or no one would believe it
if they bought into Combs's Oscar winning performance in the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Exactly, Nancy.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
This is going to be the litmus test of will
to jury understand what sex trafficking is under the law
as opposed to the Hollywood definition.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
That's the hallmark of this case.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
I mean by the defensive lack of putting on a
case at all, it says to me that this isn't
even a.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Trial of did did he do it? It's just a
trial of was it a crime? Will he be held accountable?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, what do you make the duality of his persona
in court versus what we know to be true? We
saw what we're going to believe him or our lion
eyes on that front on the Intercontinental Beatdown video.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
Well, I hope his behavior in the courtroom actually is
helpful in the execution's case because their case is a
case of violence together with these close personal relationships, right
and the whole defense was reading text messages of Ditty
and the women being lovey dove do each other. But
then we saw with our own eyes how violent and
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scary he can be. So I hope that the jury
is now having to contend that with themselves.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Like we saw. We see Combs.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
Trying to manipulate us right now, but we saw how
violent he could be with our own eyes.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Also joining us at the courthouse is Lauren Colin star
a Pop Crime TV. Lauren, Thank you for being with us.
I understand that bribery was brought up. The defense demanded
summary judgment, which is that that can't be thrown out
in front of the judge. The judge didn't go along
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with it. Tell me about their argument regarding bribery.
Speaker 12 (30:54):
In terms of the bribery, they stated that nobody or
the witnesses the test of about the bribery. This didn't
meet the burden because they were not going to law
enforcement with evidence. Sean Colmes did not prevent them or
threaten them or bribe them from going to law enforcement.
(31:15):
He only bribed them or he only paid them this money.
They didn't say bribe, I said bribe, but they were
only paid this money because of the fact that he
was scared of reputational damage.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Sidney Sumner, joining US investigative reporter from Crime Story. Sidney,
the evidence regarding bribery was overwhelming. Of course, his state's
not throwing out that predicate at the underlying felony of bribery.
That was very strong evidence.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Recap absolutely man see when we saw it multiple times,
especially in relation to that Intercontinental Hotel video. So first,
when the security guard first intervened because Cassie called for
help on that hotel phone, Colmes tried to bribe that
security guard to walk away and pretend he didn't see anything,
(32:04):
so tried to hand him a five inch stack of cash.
Then we saw paying for the actual security tape itself,
and come on. Obviously those security guards understood that they
shouldn't take this to law enforcement. And further, yes, it
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was said, hey, just let me know if law enforcement
contacts you, it's okay, tell them the truth. But it
was definitely implied that he did not want the security
guards to push this any further. And not only did
he pay off those security guards, he doubled the money
that they asked for. They initially just asked for fifty K.
(32:47):
He gave them a one hundred k as patting, So
it wasn't he had no qualms about paying somebody off
to stay quiet.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Brian Fitzgibbons is joining us Director Operations USPA nation Wide Security,
leading a team of investigators that were really globally Brian
has Gibbons bribery. It's you don't see it a lot
because typically people are smart enough not to have witnesses.
(33:16):
But in this case, there is a trail a mile
wide about the bribery.
Speaker 13 (33:22):
Yeah, and bribery, as you know, is very hard to
prove right. Typically this is a one to one transaction,
no witnesses, very difficult to have a paper trail on.
But I think what you're going to see here, Nancy.
You know, if they remove that bribery, they remove the
some of these other charges. What the judge instructs the
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jury is going to be so important here. You know,
a past consensual act doesn't mean that Diddy could have
coerced somebody into sex labor. A past transaction doesn't mean
that he could have then push forced labor on one
of these folks.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
That were witnesses.
Speaker 13 (34:04):
So the judge's instructions to the jury on these other
charges that the prosecution feels like they have more probative
evidence for are going to be very important here.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, you're right. This state is now focusing on those
predicate acts, the underlying felonies that show Rico. They're relying
on the strongest ones and getting rid of the weakest ones.
And speaking of bribery, does the name Flores ring a
bell to anybody? He took a stand in under oath
He described show Comb's offering him hundreds of thousands of
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dollars Listen.
Speaker 14 (34:40):
Flores tells the court Ventura said she wanted to get
her bag and leave, but before he could escort her
to their room, Combs stopped him, displaying a stack of
one hundred dollars bills that was four or five inches deep.
Flores says he interpreted the offer as a bribe to
forget what he saw. Flores declines Combs's money and escorts
the couple back to the room.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
So there's and there is also Eddie Garcia. Eddie Garcia
is the guard who was offered one hundred thousand dollars.
Flores is the one that helped Cassie get out, but
before he could go, Shawancom's flashed a stack of money
at him. Listen to this. Also, we've got Christina Korum
(35:20):
in on the bribery. There's no way out of the
bribery because it's even in texts thanks to Christina Korum. Listen.
Speaker 15 (35:31):
Christina Korum keeps in touch with several staff members in
the hours after the attack, including security guard d Rock
and assistant Eli Maroon. Quorum keeps d Rock updated on
Comb's location and checks in on Maroon's progress getting the
footage from security. When Maroon tells Korum they aren't playing nice,
Quorum steps in herself to speak with Eddie Garcia. A
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photo of Garcia's driver's license on Korum's phone, and call
records between Quorum, Garcia and Colms corroborates Garcia's testimony about
handing the footage over to Colmbs in exchange for one
hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
So again, as Sidney Sumner reminds us all jogging our memory,
refreshing our recollection, Combs doubled his offer. So you know what,
when you think about it at Dobay there, it's like
sharks smelling blood. The media is going crazy claiming the
state is dropping charges. What they're doing is refining their case.
(36:31):
They're getting rid of predicated acts Arson, and they're getting
rid of the predicate act of kidnapping on Capricorn Clark,
and they're honing in on bribery. And here you've got
Christina Korum making phone calls to make sure that all
of the Intercontinental video was gone. Little did they know
(36:55):
that there was a surreptitious bootleg copy. But I see
what the state is doing because the bribery charge is
really strong. Toby, I don't know that.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
I agree to be honest with you. And again it
goes back to what I said earlier about the definition
of state law out here in California. They have to
prove bribery under California law, and basically what they have
to show is that people are being paid off to
kind of modify the content of their testimony versus appearing
in court at all. And if you don't have that,
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you don't have a bribery. So in theory, if I
come up to you and I offer you money not
to publish something that is not bribery, it's an act
to spare or save my reputation, particularly in the R
and B.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
WoT wants music.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Because I don't know what you're saying, all right, okay, yeah,
but not that that was a non responsive door chlobe Carmichael,
did you just hear all that legal mumbo jumbo bottom line?
Shaw Comes four times correct me if I'm wrong, sending
one hundred thousand dollars to get rid of the Intercontinental
video of the beatdown, right, one hundred grand and then
(38:08):
hack christinacorum, follow up and follow up and follow up,
just like you heard Rob Sheeter talking that Shawn Comes
is the king of follow up, even calling one of
these guards my angel for getting rid of the damning evidence.
I don't even know what dubates talking about Look, I admit,
according to some sources, according to some court watchers, the
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kidnap charge was weak and the arson charge was weak,
the bribery charge is not weak. And to be a
good trial lawyer, and just like a good psychologist, doctor Chloe,
you have to make a hard assessment at what you're
looking at before you can use it. If I got
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a week arson and a week kidnapping, to hang with it,
and I'm going to hone in on what's really strong.
The bribery is strong, They're going to have to have
two pread kind acts to Shoreco. But the bribery is
really strong. So all that legal mambo jumbo, you think
the jury is going to understand anything.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
Dubay just said, well, I do agree, Nancy that if
we wanted to get Toba's point across, we'd probably have
to learn how to tighten it up a little bit.
But I do see the point that how do we
necessarily know that that was bribery as opposed to you know,
just I want that footage and I'm going to pay
you to give it me. Do we know for sure
(39:37):
that that in itself represents a criminal act of bribery?
I think we'd have to ask somebody like Dubai if
you could just tell us in simpler words, maybe.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Okay, hell, don't let me clarify for doctor Chloe. Wait,
thanks are as a matter of fact, I'm going to
rely on Sydney Sumner. Sydney, could you explain the bribery fact?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Well, Nancy again, so tried to hand Israel Flora is
a stack of cash to just walk away and pretend
Cassie Ventura didn't call for help.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Israel Floras refused.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
He needed to do his job, and days later, when
Combs becomes aware of the fact that their security footage
capturing that entire beating on camera, he immediately sends his
staff into action to try and obtain the security footage.
And yes, it is to protect his reputation, but it
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was clearly implied that he wanted to make sure this
did not go to law enforcement, and he expected that
the hotel staff would then delete all of this information.
So not only did he want the video footage in
his possession, he made sure that that security incident was
deleted permanently and never made it to anyone else's eyes.
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And this went all the way up to hotel management.
So a security guard, Eddie Garcia told him no multiple times.
Eventually went to his manager and said, hey, this is
what's going on. I need your advice. The manager throughout
that fifty K number and Comb's staff immediately hopped on
it and made sure that was taken care of us.
(41:24):
And Comb doubled that money and he gave one hundred
K for Israel Flores. He expected Eddie Garcia to go
back to the security guard that intervened and pay him
off as well, so that Israel Flora didn't come back
out of the woodworks. And Israel Flores is actually the
only guard that didn't receive any cuts whatsoever. The manager
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took more than the fifty K. Eddie Garcia took a
cut for himself, and he paid off the other guard
that was on staff with him when all of this
went down, so Israel Flores never saw a cent of
that bribery money.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
As we head into a verdict, watch here at crime Stories,
we stop and remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Teresa
King Wyandot County Sheriff's Office, just forty four, shot in
the line of duty after thirteen years in law enforcement,
leaving behind three children. Austin Bailly and Rich American hero
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Deputy Sheriff Teresa King, Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,
Diddy sucking up to the judge and demanding the charges
me thrown out. This Didty's revenge ahead. The state is
bracing for a Diddy Hollywood style closing argument, and Diddy,
in the last hours throws in the towel, putting up
(00:20):
zero defense witnesses and refusing to take the stand. I'm
itsy grease. This is crime stories. I want to thank
you for being with us. Ity, bitty ditty cheap skate.
He's ordering up a sex worker like he's ordering a
Pepperoni pizza from Papa John's haggling about the thief for
the sex worker. He even has an unpaid balance his own.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Cheapness is the reason why the FETs have this little
break from trail.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We've gotten our hands on a letter from the US
Department of Justice where the state is now streamlining charges.
I think I know what they're up to. All charges
are still being prosecuted, sex trafficking, RICO, transporting prostitutes to
engage in illegal sex acts. The three original charges remain.
(01:09):
This as a state is streamlining how they're going to
prove those charges as they weighed into closing arguments. Welcome everybody.
We are headed into a verdict watch here at Crime Stories.
And joining us just outside the courthouse is investigative commentator
Tisa Tails. She's the star of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa,
(01:32):
thank you for being with us. Tisa. First of all,
did he sucks up to the judge? What did he say?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Did he look like he was trying to stop be
an extra.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
In the Green Mile.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
We've been watching this man's physicality all for.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
The last six weeks. We know the way he talks,
we know the way he cocks his head. Unfortunately, we
know the way he.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Looks when he's aroused, and we also know what he
looks like when he is angry.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
He's sat up there when he had to tell the
judge and make the official announcement.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Listen, I'm not going to testify it, okay, And honestly,
when it comes to the Diddy team, I have to.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
See it to believe it.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
He hopped up, had his arms at the side, acted
like he was an extra.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
In the Green Mile and said hello, Hi, your honor,
and he's like, Hi, do you understand what's being sent
to you? Yes? I do, And the judge tried to
move on and he sait a.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Minute taste of Tails, Taste of Tails, Taste of Tales.
Hold on. For some reason, you are completely covered with
photos of Seawan combs laid up on the red carpet. Okay,
I want to see Tasa tails and I want to
see Tasta tales. Reenact the whole thing I heard, green mile,
I saw nothing. Okay, start over, let me see the
(02:45):
whole thing.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So did he jumps up right, because for some reason
he thinks shooting up is the best thing to do.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
He jumps up. The whole court is like, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
The jet says Hi, I just want to make sure
that you understand that you are.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Using that to testify.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yes, yes, how are you doing your honor?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I do, And may I just say you're doing an
excellent job.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Then Judge looked at him like, Okay, I appreciate that.
Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It was sech an awesome display of arrogance, and it
lets you know, maybe this is how he got to
the top, the fact that in his mind he still
thought he was running things.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
And he still thought that he was putting.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
A gold star on Judge Aaron's forehead by saying, I
think you're doing an amazing job.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, thanks for that buddy again. It was arrogance in
his full display and the way that Diddy is still
trying to cosplay a character out of the Green Mile,
looking almost acting like he.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Doesn't know where he is, and you know, a big
lovable oath that is being falsely convicted again and we
see why Diddy only made it a music and never
made it an acting.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It was. It was a mess.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
It was an absolute mess.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well wait a minute, Wait a minute. There was that
episode in monster Ball where he played let's say, what
a convicted felon behind bars? He was very convincing at that. Okay,
hold on, I gotta go out to Rob Shooter. Rob
Shooter is joining me, star of Naughty but Nice podcast.
He's at robshooter dot substat dot com. I just read
(04:15):
your article. Reread your article in the Hollywood Reporter, but
for my purposes. He was the pr guru for Sean
Combs no longer. Can you just see this playing out
a hate shooter. I don't know if you remember my
old co anchor, Johnny Cochrane. May he rest in peace.
I never agreed with the thing he said, but I
learned a lot from him. He had a way with
(04:38):
people you know he walk into a room. I saw
him do this a million times. He'd take a few
steps into the room and then stop and just wait,
drink me in and guess what he was right? Everybody
loves Cochrane. Okay, he did the same thing with Eto,
Judge Eto during the oj Simpson trial. He'd walk in
and go, your honor, you're looking very well today, your Honor,
(05:02):
very handsome. I like your suit. I mean it went.
We were all like, please stop, but it worked. Po
was totally starstruck. He would do a backflip for Cochrane.
It actually worked. Did it work this time? And have
you ever seen Sean Combs turn on the charm when
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he has to?
Speaker 7 (05:23):
I have seen nothing but Puff turn on the charm.
That's why he had a career for as long as
he had one. This guy's charming. I've been saying it
all along, and it's very difficult to use that word
when all this awful, awful evidence is being presented. The
Puff that I saw was charming. He was funny, he
was witty. He almost too could pretend to be humble.
(05:44):
It's a shocking thing in celebrity Nancy, but a compliment.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Wait, you know what Sorry, shooter, but I'm not in
the pr world. I'm in the crime world. Don't say
it unless you can prove it, and you got to
prove it with hard evidence. So I want to hear examples.
When did Sean Combs ever put on the humble act?
(06:09):
Because I see him wearing his capes and his dough
ropes and dripping in jewelry. I don't see the humble like.
I've never seen the humble like. Please enlighten me.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Yeah, well, you're not in those rooms. When he wanted
a deal, when he had to go up to Mace's
and Bloomingdale's here in New York and try to get
them to sell his clothing line, he acted pretty humble.
It was not above him to turn up with goodies,
bake goods, flowers, cakes, things to make people feel special,
and it often works. I know we all like to
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think that we are above a compliment. I know we
all like to think that when somebody flatters us, we
can see straight through it. Nine times out of ten,
in my experience, we can't. Puffy can be charming. He
knows what he's doing. It's all an act, but it's
an act that he has perfected.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
You had me at bait goods. Okay, can I hear
about that? Are you listening to this tist of tales?
I want to hear about the bait goods.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
Huff would often send baskets of muffins of bait goods
to people that he wanted to be friends with, people
he wanted to be in business with. When Puffy wanted
his fragrance collection, he desperately wanted his own fragrance. He
got one that was relentless. How he pursued the lord
as he would turn up at their charity events. He
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would turn up at their benefits. He would send notes
to them. Puffy was the king of the follower. He
loved sending notes. In the trial, we heard how he
would pick up the phone himself and call people that
he wanted something from. He'd call them my angel, my
best friend, my dear savior. So Puffy plays this game
(07:50):
really well, and he's been playing it for a very
long time.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
You know what robs here the encyclopedia. It's amazing. I
have no idea what I'm going to ask you. Guys.
We don't use scripts, we don't have prepared questions. It
all just happens, just like in a trial, and shooter
always has an answer. You know why because he witnessed
(08:13):
this for years. So Tisa tels, I guess that Seaan
comes is like one inch away from handing the judge
a basket of muffins. Tell me again, what did he
say to the judge? Did it work? Oh, dear Lord
and Heaven, go ahead already, I'm braced.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Okay, it did not work at all. Actually we had
to actually laugh and Judge ERNs, I.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Don't know how did he was not humiliated. Judge Aaron's
reaction was like literally he looks for a second like
what is wrong with you? Then he realized the whole
courtroom was looking at him, and then he just said, okay,
I appreciate that anyway, moving on. It fell so flat
it even Diddy was even thrown up and may say, you're.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Doing an excellent I think I think you're doing an excellent.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Job, your honor.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
What did he expect to happen while he's standing there
looking trying to look like a three year old that
got caught stealing cookies, and the judge looking at him
like what are you up to?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Okay, let's just move on?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And then did he still sitting there, and I swear
you could fill the prosecution just grimacing like, oh why
did he do this?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And he kept on moving after that. He kept saying, yes,
your honor, No, your honor.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think I do.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Let me ask again.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
He tried to reduce himself to the mental capacity of
a three year old, and the whole time the judge
was just looking at him, just so puzzled.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I hear what Rober they're saying. But you know what,
I think this might be the limit of his star power.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
I think something about being in a federal corp room
Undernditt that for grand jury.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I don't think that little humble, gracious did he act
is working.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Philip D. Bay joining me, veteran trial lawyer out of
the LA jurisdiction. Well, let's both take off our prosecutorial
line defense hats and analyze what's happened. I think the
state did a very wise thing. Okay, charges the three
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charges of sex trafficking, reco right and traveling sex workers
across state lines for engaging in prostitution. Those are the
three charges Sean Combs is being tried on RICO. One
of those charges requires predicate acts, which means felonies that
(10:36):
have happened, two of them within ten years. That shows
the criminal enterprise. Do you agree so far? Yes? No? Yes, Okay.
What the state has done they have jettisoned some of
the charges that we're going to be used as predicate acts,
some of the claims they're not the three charges for instance.
(10:58):
And I'll tell you why. I think it was a
smart thing, the kid Cutty claim. It's very obvious that
Sean Combs arranged the arson on kid Cutty's car, right,
But we don't have an eyewitness, we don't have fingerprints,
and we don't have DNA, so it's weak. It's obvious
he did it circumstantially, but it's weak. And to go
(11:19):
forward with that would hurt the state. And I'll tell
you why, because once you go forward with the claim,
you can't totally prove it taints the rest of your case.
On Capricorn Clark the kidnap, where she says he held
her against her will on two occasions, right, Yes, the
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way he held her against his will? Was it in
a car? Was it in a different room. A lot
of people perceived kidnap is throwing you in the back
of a car trunk putting a sack over your head
so you can't see, and taking you to a cleandestine location.
That's not what happened. So if there's a ability problem
with Capricorn Clark, the kidnapping is weak, right, So the
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state is now relying on a more streamlined sex trafficking
rico prostitution charge. Now you explain it your way before
we start throwing stones. I see what the state has done.
I get it. Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
Well, first of all, I think it was brilliant what
they did, because remember, all the predicted acts are defined
under state law. So for example, if there were an
attempted kidnap under California law, for example, they have to
prove that there was a direct but ineffectual act toward
its commission. And you try to explain the definition of
that to twelve moon rocks sitting in the jury box,
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they're not going to get it. Not to mention the
fact that it's hard to prove you don't have a
direct or ineffectual act. And likewise, with the arson, there
is zero evidence that Diddy had a hand in that arson.
So what direct but ineffectual act do they have on
his part that he committed an arson? Namely the throwing
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of a Molotov cocktail at kid Cutty's car. It's just
not there. So why proceed on something that you cannot prove.
You'll only confuse the jury and they may just throw
their hands up in the air and say, you know what, Feds,
you have overcharged this case. This is just swinging and
swapping consensually.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I agree, now you know what I think they should
have done. Of course, it's so easy when you're Monday
morning quarterbacking. They should not have included those as predicate
acts to start with, right, because I was a fed
three years for one case, debay one case. I would
have rooms full of boxes full of documents, all right,
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so they knew what the evidence was. And it always
makes you look weak when you back off of something.
Backing off of these is the smart thing to do
because it tanks the rest of the case. But I
wish they had included it to start with. Here's another
thing for you to think about. Because it was part
of the original case, it cannot be claimed now that
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it was character evidence, see what I mean. So all
that has come in the arson, the kidnap, and more
bad acts see under other circumstances, that would not have
been allowed. You see what I'm saying here. So actually
the state has gotten this evidence in legally. Now they're going, hey,
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we're backing off these charges, but they've already gotten the
damning evidence in. I may be going to deafcom four
in the law here, but this could actually help the state.
Do you see where I'm going with this. They've got
that bad character evidence in legally because it was part
of the predicate acts, but now it's been jettisoned. But
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they've already gotten the damning evidence in. See what I'm saying.
They got their cake, and they ate it too.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Of course, so now the defense is going to be
entitled to with jury instruction that they're only to receive
that those prior predicate acts not for their truth.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Would really seriously a jury instruction on that. If I
were the defense, I wouldn't touch that jury instruction with
a ten foot pole. And I'll tell you why. Yeah,
you go on and do that and remind the jury, Hey,
you know all that stuff about kid Cuddies Arson his
car being bombed, that doesn't count. Don't listen to that.
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Forget you ever heard it? All that stuff about Arson,
all the other state charges. Forget you ever heard it?
It's re ringing the bell, it's reminding the jury about
what happened, and they're like, why don't they want us
to remember that? Okay? Hold on, Tisa tells, joining us
from outside the courthouse, Tisa, I want to hear also
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about Sean Combs is it's the quickest case ever for
the defense, and it gave Sean Combs a chance to
stand up in court and speak without taking the stand.
It's called elocution. Was the jury there when he said
I'm not taking the stand.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
The jury unfortunately missed his with three mile two performance.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
The only people in the room or his adoring public.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
In his mind, the judge who's his number one fin
and of course his ever present defense counsel.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
So thankfully the jury was spared seeing that performance.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
He wants free clothing, free tickets to Fashion Week, free everything,
reduced prices for illegal sex workers, which hello, is illegal.
Yet there he is all laid up in a luxury
suv wearing two huge diamond earrings. Let me tell you
that ain't Qubi Zarconia trying to cut a deal. It's
like trying to bargain with a hooker. Excuse me, sex
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worker Rob Shooter. He wanted to get reduced prices from
sex workers. Did I just hear that?
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Man?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
He's a millionaire and he's haggling over the price of
a cowboy from Cowboys and Angels.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Yeah, we spoke about it on your show before anybody did.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Did.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
He was incredibly cheap. He didn't want to pay for anything.
He didn't want to pay for dinners, he didn't want
to pay for tickets when he went to concerts. He
didn't want to pay for clothing. He wanted everything for free.
So I'm not at aol surprise here. But he's even
haggling trying to get down the price of a sex worker.
This is who he is. He ain't going to change.
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His money is for him, not for anybody else. He
holds on to it.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Tisa Tel's joining us outside the courthouse. She's a story
of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Investigator and commentator, Tisa, you've
been in the courtroom. I want to hear about the
Google the Eyes Part two.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
As the defense was putting on their ten minute case
where they were basically reading text messages, he was looking
over trying to.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Act like he was looking at what's Moorland.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
But he was looking over with this puppy dog slash
innocent past Google look on, this googly eye look on
his face that literally just had him look over and
the jury was just looking back.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Now here's the thing. The jury has completely changed from
a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
They were not making eye contact with them at all,
which maybe.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Jura six leaving life in the best moment. It had
a chilling effect on the jury. But the second thing
that happened where the googly.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Eyes really hit, is they're trying to ignore the pound
puppy eyes and then all of a sudden, out the blue,
the defenses we rest our case. Half of the jury
had their eyes glazed over from reading their text messages.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
The other half had a look of shock, and it
literally looked took ten seconds for the hit, like wait,
what what did they say?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
The jury was absolutely shocked, and it was a nice
thing to say. I think in that moment did He's
team probably really questioned.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Whether they did the right not having any witnesses on
the stand.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I want to get back to first of all, I
got to talk about everything that you just said because
I need to analyze it. I want you to act
out the google the eyes. When were the google the eyes?
And I'm very concerned that first the jurors won't look
at Combs, and now they are looking at him. That's
bad for the state. For them to be making a
lot of eye contact with the defendant. That's not good
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unless it's a disgusted look. So first of all, tell
me about the google the eyes and please act it out.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
The google the eyes. He sat there. He did that again.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
He's acting the green mile too, softened his shoulders, almost
like he wanted to melt.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Looked up. Ward's looking at his defensive attorney, saying, mommy,
what's going on.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
What's going on is you are the devil and you're
being held accountable.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
He looked over at the jury, kind of wanted to
have a hangdog expression and was looking at the corner
of his eyes. Of course, he had to be very
calculating about it because he's not allowed to look directly
at the jury. He was looking at his defense attorneys.
It happened to be at a sharp right right by
the jury, and.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
We're just sitting there looking over looking confused, as if
he wasn't the reason and we just didn't have to
sit through a combined amount of what felt like forty
minutes of freak all tapes.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
For it literally combined over the last week, it was
forty minutes of hardcore Triple X freak all tapes.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And now he's sitting there in that yellow sweater just
looking so confused. It was so baffling.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But again I will say one thing, that man has
no shame at all, and if he could take an inch,
he did it. Again, the jury was not looking at him.
They were looking straight. They were some jurys were looking
at the wall, some were looking at the judge. Some
people were looking at Esteban. I think she was standing
up and talking. But again, it was a mixed bag.
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When they said the defense rest jury faces the people
that were flitting.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I got to addressed the good the eyes first, then
I'm going to get to the jars going what okay,
when did the google the eyes happen? When did that happen?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
The googly eyes happened? As they stood.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Up and mounted their ten minute defense, when they started
reading text messages, I think it was seven to ten minutes.
They started reading random text messages.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You know, and everybody thought it was his business as usual.
All of a sudden, you saw his shoulders slump.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
He saw him start to look over at his defense team, who,
by the way, the person reading the messages was one
rope up.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
So you're looking the wrong way, sir.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
What's just the first indication that here we go and
saying action?
Speaker 5 (21:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
He slumped, He looked over, he looked over, he looked confused,
and then he decided to swing his googly eyes to
his immediate right and the direct line of jury to
its defense attorney looking over there. Again, it was a
sight to see. It was pathetic, but hey, if your
life's on the line, desperate times call for desperate measures.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Shooter, I told you this was going to happen when
it comes right down to it. And the same thing
happened with Scott Peterson. To say, it always happens when
the defendant is not gonna take the stand. They make
a big show like they're holding me back. I want
to I really want to tell the truth. But in
this case, he was doing the look in front of
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the jury. I mean, really, this is the guy I
just saw beat thee. I gave up cursing when I
had the twins the craft out of Cassie Ventura, the
fat lip, the eye, plastic surgery, the bruises. Hey, you
know what control? Can you pull up? That picture's way
back and of the bruises on her side, that's right
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over her kidney for Pete's sake, covered in bruises, and
he's doing the puppy dog look at the jury. You
know what, saving comes.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
I think he's making a really smart move, Nancy, and
I fear it's going to work. I've seen it work.
I've seen this happen many many times, not just with Puffy,
but with other celebrities that are on trial. We've got
to remember celebrities really really powerful. Maybe not to the experts,
the people that we speak to for people on a jury.
People in the world go nuts for celebrities. I've worked
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for a lot of celebrities, but not even that talented.
But they're stars. They know how to get us to
buy what they're selling. And that's what Diddy is doing today.
He's selling his freedom as if it is a fragrance.
He is out there promoting it, and I predict Nancy,
it's going to work.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You know what I is an uplifting note from rab Shooter. Okay,
back to Teasa tails Tisa, you told me about the
google the eyes. Now I want to hear when did
the jury start making eye contact and what kind of
eye contact. Is it discussed eye contact or is it, oh, no,
you're not going to jail comes contact.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
So the out contact was like, wait, did we just
hear that? And the jury's defense they weren't even though
Diddy was trying to make that connection. The moment was this,
when Ditty was doing the googly eyes, the jury was
looking left, right, up down.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
They were determined not to give any type of eye
contact or even acknowledge. Then all of a sudden, after
seven minutes of boring text messages, which for the last
three days has been business as usual, they finally said
the defense rests the people that have been the jurors
that have been paying attention.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Was like what And they looked over very surprised, like
what did we hear?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And they looked over in Diddy's direction and to his
defensing direction. And then seven to ten seconds later, the
other jurors and I guess it had been, you know,
going over their grocery lists in their mind, were all
of a sudden in real life that something had happened,
and they were looking over.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Everybody was looking over at the defense table in like
very much either shock or we couldn't have heard this
break wasn't until the judge said, okay, well thanks.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
So much, we'll see you tomorrow that they literally got
up and just very still didn't believe what was happening,
walked out of the room, very very confused, and in
that moment, I can't just help a chuckle to myself
and wonder did the defense regret at that moment or
at least rethink maybe.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
We should have put on a few witnesses and maybe
this isn't going to play out the way they thought
it was.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Sean comes with a rolex on I think that's what
that is. I don't think it's a fake in the
backseat of a luxury suv wearing diamond earrings and a
dope rope.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
This man knows what top shelf quality is.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
He's showing off his orthodontics too.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I mean, look, he just opens his mouth ever so
slightly so you can see all those beautiful veneers, the
defense rest and the jury looking confused and perplexed when
that was announced in open court. This, as we learned
the state is stream lining its case. In order to rico,
you have to have underlying felon these predicate acts. The
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state is no longer trying to go forward on ourson.
They're no longer trying to use kidnapping. They think the
evidence was weak on those two and they're right, Am
I convinced, Yeah, I think you did it, but it
was weak. So they're throwing it overboard with me an
all star panel to make sense of what we're learning now.
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Straight out to doctor Chloe Carmichael joining us and renowned
clinical psychologist, author of Nervous Energy Harness The Power of
Your Anxiety. Doctor Chloe, thank you for being with us.
I've got to hear your take on Sean Combe's homemade
muffins and google the eyes in front of the jury. Yeah,
(26:50):
I know, Nancy, it's unbelievable, right.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
I was thinking about what you shared earlier about how
Johnny Cochrane would you walk in and maybe compliment the
judge similar to the that Shawn Combs did, and it
worked for Johnny Cochrane. However, of course, the big difference
is that Johnny Cochrane wasn't entering the courtroom as an
accused criminal. And I thought it was a great example
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of Diddy Combes's just grandiosity there that even in that moment,
he thought he could charm the judge. Now, abusers are
often very good at pouring on the charm and about
the googly eyes and whatnot. You know, when an abuser
has done something wrong, he's usually very good at, you know,
putting his tail between his legs and acting so sorry.
(27:34):
And that's probably worked very well for Shaan Combs in
the past. But the fact that he would attempt that again,
even complimenting the judge, that he wouldn't realize that that's
an off note. I think it really suggests that there's
a level of desperation there that he's feeling. Because we're
I think we're looking at someone that's really an extreme narcissist.
(27:56):
I mean, even as you mentioned earlier that he was
trying to haggle about the price the sex workers and
things like that, I think that there's an element of
grandiosity where he probably frankly in his mind, thought that
they should be paying to be in his presence for
that type of interaction. Believe it or not, I think
we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg of the
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narcissism here.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Also joining us in addition to doctor Chloe Carmichael is
Danny Pinter joining us out of DC. She is a
senior VP and director of the Law Center at the
National Center for on Sex Exploitation. Danny, thank you for
being with us. I was forcing tastes of tales to
act out what she saw in court. There are no
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cameras in federal courtrooms, and I can just see Sean
Colmes making the puppy dog eyes, the Google de eyes
at the jury, acting all confused, like where am I?
How did I get here? Will it be hard for
jurors to reconcile what they're seeing in the courtroom with
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the Cassie Ventura beat down tape? Thank Heaven that tape survived,
and it almost didn't, or no one would believe it
if they bought into Combs's Oscar winning performance in the courtroom.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Exactly, Nancy.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
This is going to be the litmus test of will
to jury understand what sex trafficking is under the law
as opposed to the Hollywood definition.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
That's the hallmark of this case.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
I mean by the defensive lack of putting on a
case at all, it says to me that this isn't
even a.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Trial of did did he do it? It's just a
trial of was it a crime? Will he be held accountable?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Well, what do you make the duality of his persona
in court versus what we know to be true? We
saw what we're going to believe him or our lion
eyes on that front on the Intercontinental Beatdown video.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
Well, I hope his behavior in the courtroom actually is
helpful in the execution's case because their case is a
case of violence together with these close personal relationships, right
and the whole defense was reading text messages of Ditty
and the women being lovey dove do each other. But
then we saw with our own eyes how violent and
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scary he can be. So I hope that the jury
is now having to contend that with themselves.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Like we saw. We see Combs.
Speaker 11 (30:24):
Trying to manipulate us right now, but we saw how
violent he could be with our own eyes.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Also joining us at the courthouse is Lauren Colin star
a Pop Crime TV. Lauren, Thank you for being with us.
I understand that bribery was brought up. The defense demanded
summary judgment, which is that that can't be thrown out
in front of the judge. The judge didn't go along
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with it. Tell me about their argument regarding bribery.
Speaker 12 (30:54):
In terms of the bribery, they stated that nobody or
the witnesses the test of about the bribery. This didn't
meet the burden because they were not going to law
enforcement with evidence. Sean Colmes did not prevent them or
threaten them or bribe them from going to law enforcement.
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He only bribed them or he only paid them this money.
They didn't say bribe, I said bribe, but they were
only paid this money because of the fact that he
was scared of reputational damage.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Sidney Sumner, joining US investigative reporter from Crime Story. Sidney,
the evidence regarding bribery was overwhelming. Of course, his state's
not throwing out that predicate at the underlying felony of bribery.
That was very strong evidence.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Recap absolutely man see when we saw it multiple times,
especially in relation to that Intercontinental Hotel video. So first,
when the security guard first intervened because Cassie called for
help on that hotel phone, Colmes tried to bribe that
security guard to walk away and pretend he didn't see anything,
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so tried to hand him a five inch stack of cash.
Then we saw paying for the actual security tape itself,
and come on. Obviously those security guards understood that they
shouldn't take this to law enforcement. And further, yes, it
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was said, hey, just let me know if law enforcement
contacts you, it's okay, tell them the truth. But it
was definitely implied that he did not want the security
guards to push this any further. And not only did
he pay off those security guards, he doubled the money
that they asked for. They initially just asked for fifty K.
(32:47):
He gave them a one hundred k as patting, So
it wasn't he had no qualms about paying somebody off
to stay quiet.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Brian Fitzgibbons is joining us Director Operations USPA nation Wide Security,
leading a team of investigators that were really globally Brian
has Gibbons bribery. It's you don't see it a lot
because typically people are smart enough not to have witnesses.
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But in this case, there is a trail a mile
wide about the bribery.
Speaker 13 (33:22):
Yeah, and bribery, as you know, is very hard to
prove right. Typically this is a one to one transaction,
no witnesses, very difficult to have a paper trail on.
But I think what you're going to see here, Nancy.
You know, if they remove that bribery, they remove the
some of these other charges. What the judge instructs the
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jury is going to be so important here. You know,
a past consensual act doesn't mean that Diddy could have
coerced somebody into sex labor. A past transaction doesn't mean
that he could have then push forced labor on one
of these folks.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
That were witnesses.
Speaker 13 (34:04):
So the judge's instructions to the jury on these other
charges that the prosecution feels like they have more probative
evidence for are going to be very important here.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, you're right. This state is now focusing on those
predicate acts, the underlying felonies that show Rico. They're relying
on the strongest ones and getting rid of the weakest ones.
And speaking of bribery, does the name Flores ring a
bell to anybody? He took a stand in under oath
He described show Comb's offering him hundreds of thousands of
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dollars Listen.
Speaker 14 (34:40):
Flores tells the court Ventura said she wanted to get
her bag and leave, but before he could escort her
to their room, Combs stopped him, displaying a stack of
one hundred dollars bills that was four or five inches deep.
Flores says he interpreted the offer as a bribe to
forget what he saw. Flores declines Combs's money and escorts
the couple back to the room.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
So there's and there is also Eddie Garcia. Eddie Garcia
is the guard who was offered one hundred thousand dollars.
Flores is the one that helped Cassie get out, but
before he could go, Shawancom's flashed a stack of money
at him. Listen to this. Also, we've got Christina Korum
(35:20):
in on the bribery. There's no way out of the
bribery because it's even in texts thanks to Christina Korum. Listen.
Speaker 15 (35:31):
Christina Korum keeps in touch with several staff members in
the hours after the attack, including security guard d Rock
and assistant Eli Maroon. Quorum keeps d Rock updated on
Comb's location and checks in on Maroon's progress getting the
footage from security. When Maroon tells Korum they aren't playing nice,
Quorum steps in herself to speak with Eddie Garcia. A
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photo of Garcia's driver's license on Korum's phone, and call
records between Quorum, Garcia and Colms corroborates Garcia's testimony about
handing the footage over to Colmbs in exchange for one
hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
So again, as Sidney Sumner reminds us all jogging our memory,
refreshing our recollection, Combs doubled his offer. So you know what,
when you think about it at Dobay there, it's like
sharks smelling blood. The media is going crazy claiming the
state is dropping charges. What they're doing is refining their case.
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They're getting rid of predicated acts Arson, and they're getting
rid of the predicate act of kidnapping on Capricorn Clark,
and they're honing in on bribery. And here you've got
Christina Korum making phone calls to make sure that all
of the Intercontinental video was gone. Little did they know
(36:55):
that there was a surreptitious bootleg copy. But I see
what the state is doing because the bribery charge is
really strong. Toby, I don't know that.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
I agree to be honest with you. And again it
goes back to what I said earlier about the definition
of state law out here in California. They have to
prove bribery under California law, and basically what they have
to show is that people are being paid off to
kind of modify the content of their testimony versus appearing
in court at all. And if you don't have that,
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you don't have a bribery. So in theory, if I
come up to you and I offer you money not
to publish something that is not bribery, it's an act
to spare or save my reputation, particularly in the R
and B.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
WoT wants music.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Because I don't know what you're saying, all right, okay, yeah,
but not that that was a non responsive door chlobe Carmichael,
did you just hear all that legal mumbo jumbo bottom line?
Shaw Comes four times correct me if I'm wrong, sending
one hundred thousand dollars to get rid of the Intercontinental
video of the beatdown, right, one hundred grand and then
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hack christinacorum, follow up and follow up and follow up,
just like you heard Rob Sheeter talking that Shawn Comes
is the king of follow up, even calling one of
these guards my angel for getting rid of the damning evidence.
I don't even know what dubates talking about Look, I admit,
according to some sources, according to some court watchers, the
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kidnap charge was weak and the arson charge was weak,
the bribery charge is not weak. And to be a
good trial lawyer, and just like a good psychologist, doctor Chloe,
you have to make a hard assessment at what you're
looking at before you can use it. If I got
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a week arson and a week kidnapping, to hang with it,
and I'm going to hone in on what's really strong.
The bribery is strong, They're going to have to have
two pread kind acts to Shoreco. But the bribery is
really strong. So all that legal mambo jumbo, you think
the jury is going to understand anything.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
Dubay just said, well, I do agree, Nancy that if
we wanted to get Toba's point across, we'd probably have
to learn how to tighten it up a little bit.
But I do see the point that how do we
necessarily know that that was bribery as opposed to you know,
just I want that footage and I'm going to pay
you to give it me. Do we know for sure
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that that in itself represents a criminal act of bribery?
I think we'd have to ask somebody like Dubai if
you could just tell us in simpler words, maybe.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Okay, hell, don't let me clarify for doctor Chloe. Wait,
thanks are as a matter of fact, I'm going to
rely on Sydney Sumner. Sydney, could you explain the bribery fact?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Well, Nancy again, so tried to hand Israel Flora is
a stack of cash to just walk away and pretend
Cassie Ventura didn't call for help.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Israel Floras refused.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
He needed to do his job, and days later, when
Combs becomes aware of the fact that their security footage
capturing that entire beating on camera, he immediately sends his
staff into action to try and obtain the security footage.
And yes, it is to protect his reputation, but it
(40:37):
was clearly implied that he wanted to make sure this
did not go to law enforcement, and he expected that
the hotel staff would then delete all of this information.
So not only did he want the video footage in
his possession, he made sure that that security incident was
deleted permanently and never made it to anyone else's eyes.
(41:02):
And this went all the way up to hotel management.
So a security guard, Eddie Garcia told him no multiple times.
Eventually went to his manager and said, hey, this is
what's going on. I need your advice. The manager throughout
that fifty K number and Comb's staff immediately hopped on
it and made sure that was taken care of us.
(41:24):
And Comb doubled that money and he gave one hundred
K for Israel Flores. He expected Eddie Garcia to go
back to the security guard that intervened and pay him
off as well, so that Israel Flora didn't come back
out of the woodworks. And Israel Flores is actually the
only guard that didn't receive any cuts whatsoever. The manager
(41:47):
took more than the fifty K. Eddie Garcia took a
cut for himself, and he paid off the other guard
that was on staff with him when all of this
went down, so Israel Flores never saw a cent of
that bribery money.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
As we head into a verdict, watch here at crime Stories,
we stop and remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Teresa
King Wyandot County Sheriff's Office, just forty four, shot in
the line of duty after thirteen years in law enforcement,
leaving behind three children. Austin Bailly and Rich American hero
(42:27):
Deputy Sheriff Teresa King, Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,
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