June 26, 2025 • 43 mins
Joining Nancy Grace today,
- Joshua Ritter - Criminal Defense Attorney, Former Prosecutor, Host of "Courtroom Confidential" on YouTube; website: joshuaritter.com; Twitter, Instagram & TikTok: @joshuaritteresq, YouTube: CRConfidential
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away” Also featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
- Joseph Giacalone -) Former NYPD Sergeant SDS, Author: “ The Cold Case Handbook” and “The Criminal Investigative Function: A Guide for New Investigators”, Podcast host of "True Crime with the Sarge", YouTube: Joseph Giacalone, Twitter: @JoeGiacalone, www.josephGiacalone.com
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation, Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube, website: lynnswarrior.org, X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on Youtube, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss, Facebook: Tisa.Tells.3
- Lauren Conlin - Podcaster/Reporter/Host- Co-Host of "PopCrimeTV" on YouTube, Website: www.popcrime.tv and primetimecrimeshow.com, X- @Conlin_Lauren, Instagram: @LaurenEmilyConlin, YouTube: @PopCrimeTV
- Sydney Sumner - 'Crime Stories' Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are live at the courthouse, Vegas.
Odds even Shawn Combs will spend no time behind bars,
and Shawn Combs will spend life behind bars. But guess what,
I don't care what the book you say. It's all
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down to twelve gurrars. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
with us. We are headed into a verdict.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Watch out the Blue, the defensive we rest our case.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
This isn't even a trial of did did he do it?
It's just a trial of will he be held accountable.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
He's selling his freedom as if it is a fragrance.
He is out there promoting it, and I predict and
I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Let's go straight to the courthouse. Standing by is Tisa Tale,
star of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa, thank you for
being with us. It's my understanding that early early this morning,
leading into closing statements, Shawn com looked like he was
quote walking on air. What the courtroom was shocked.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
This man came floating in on air, twinkle toes, just
dancing in two.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
We have never seen this man in a better mood.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Everything that's happened the attempted charges that have been dropped
from the jury verdict. They have him in the best
of spirits. This is a man that thinks he's going
to walk away. This is a man that thinks his
twenty million dollars law team did their job. This is
a man that thinks he has avoided.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Justice tasted tails. Tell me what else happened in the
courtroom today.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
What happened in court today literally shocked to everyone. The
prosecution came in strong. They made a clear, concise case.
Did he who seem to be walking on air walking
in You saw his body language slump?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
They made such an excellent case.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
To actually map out and hold our hands like we
were three year olds that needed help across the street.
What the Colms enterprise was, how he commanded and controlled
everything and everybody, and how they were nothing but an
apparatus made to fulfill every sexual deviant desire he had.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It really came together today in court. At the beginning
they refer to Sean Combe's well as Slavic. Slavik refers
to Shawn Combs as the head of a criminal enterprise
and someone who quote doesn't take no for an answer,
describe what she was telling the jury and how the
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jury responded. That's what Slavic said straight out of the gate.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
She said, he doesn't take no for an answer, and
he wants what he wants. Once she said that, she
went into a list of all the predicate crimes. She said, kidnapping, arson,
forced labor, was sexual assault, brivery, sex trapping, sex trafficking
that was forced and manipulated these women. And when that happened,
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she went in like a battling ramp and the jury
was up. The jury was taking attention. They had their
built pats out, they were leaned in, they were so
locked in. The prosecution woke the jury up and they
couldn't get enough taste of tales.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Slavic did something I think was brilliant. She almost immediately
took the jury to two of the most violent attacks
on women in order to force them to perform sexually.
Of course, one has to be a Cassie Ventura's attack
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at the Intercontinental Hotel. That's the single strongest one because
there's video evidence. You don't have to just take her
word for it. You can see it on the close
circuit TV there at the Intercontinental. But she also took
to the jury to the moment that Jane not her
real name, was brutally attacked and covered in welts all
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over her body, abating by Sean Combs, after which he
told her to get back in the ring and perform
oral sex on a male escort despite her protests. What
did she say exactly and how did the jury respond?
What were they doing?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
She showed a screenshot at the moment we saw Cassie
be brutally beat and she said, I want to take
you to two moments eight years apart, but with the
same pattern, done by the same man.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
The jury was leaned in.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
They described how Cassie was brutally beaten and stumped. She
used the word stump, and then they tied it in
with Jane.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Now, of course they didn't.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Let us see the pictures of Jane, but they put
those beaten pictures.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Of Jane on their screens, and.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
They showed us a screenshot of Jane's testimony where they
had her saying I was beaten, I was dragged, I
was kid It was an incredibly powerful moment.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Taste of tails. How is Sean Colmes reacting to this?
What does he say as the prosecutor is regurgitating all
of these horrific facts about him, and he's sitting right there.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I honestly think that the jury's reaction showed us the
clearest thing of how well the prosecution was going. When
she first started talking, he almost had a smug look
on his face.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There was still a faint smile.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
He was looking over in the prosecutor's direction, in the
jury's direction.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Looking like he did not care.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
However, once they put a screenshot of Cassie's bat beating
one and.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
She went through, boom boom, boom.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Rapid fire of everything he's being charged with, leaving no doubt,
he all of a sudden just looked straight.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
He looked down. Then I believe he got nudgs.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
He looks Jrad again, and after that he rarely looked
at the.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Jury the whole time.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
But what do you do when somebody is literally outlining
how you are the devil incarnate?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You know another thing that Christy Slavic did that I
thought was also brilliant. I hate when lawyers simply vomit
up the letter of the law and use Latin phrases
that nobody knows what they're talking about unless you went
to Harvard law school. For Pete's sake. She really broke
down what Rico means a conspiracy, and I'm going to
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quote what she said. The concept is simple. When someone
commits a crime as part of a group, the law
calls it an enterprise, and that makes them Sean Combs
more powerful and dangerous. You know, over and over Tisa tales,
we heard the same thread going through all of the
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victim's testimony. When Cassie Ventura was being beaten, she looked
up at all of Coms's minions is said, can't you
see what's happening? And they tacitly, nonverbally condoned what Combes
was doing. That's the enterprise, those people that enabled Combs.
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Tell me how the jury responded. What did she say
and how did they react?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
That was an incredibly powerful moment.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Okay, Slavic said, he's already a rich and powerful man,
and the enterprise made him more powerful and more dangerous.
When they heard that, you saw a few jurors uncross
their legs and leaned forward. They were dialed in again.
It's almost like the prosecution at taking their kid gloves off,
and they were leaving the jurors with no doubt.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
You don't need to connect the dots.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
We are going to rawl the dots, connect them for you,
and then walk you over to see where everything is.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Again, a lot of shifting, a lot of rubbing the faces.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
A lot of leaning in, taking furious notes, looking closely
at what was being shown on their monitors.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
They had the jury with their closings.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Another important cord this Slavic struck during her closing argument,
which commenced early this morning, is that Sean Combs has
been clothed in respectability, in celebrity, in billions of dollars
and everything that can buy. The private jet, the mansions
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all over the world, the designer closed, the fancy restaurants,
people at his beck and call. But she pointed out
that for all the fame, wealth, power and privilege, he
is not above the law and he's not Remember that
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quote Tisa TLS where one minion says to the other,
pointing up to a picture of Combs, this is his
kingdom and we're just living in it. Explain to Nay
how the jury responded to her argument.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
His enterprise, and the way she said the word enterprise
that was dripping with disdain. Their only goal was promoting
and protecting and fulfilling every sexual desire that he had. Okay,
they enabled him to commit crimes. When she said that
the jury furiously taking notes. They even looked over at
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Seancolm's side, not directly at home, but at the side
where all his loyal supporters and family were sitting and
protecting him from law enforcement. When they said that, a
few juror's brows actually furied. It's almost like they were
cutting through all of the bs from the last four
weeks cross examinations and.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Cutting through to what the heart of this case was.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
And it became clear to everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I think even Sean Diddycombs that he is not going
to beat.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
This Tasta tales. What exactly did Slavic say about Shawn
Combs's wealth, fame, and privilege.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
What she talked about was in a fan swoop. She
did an amazing job of explaining away.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
The reason why some of these assistants that got immunity
were sitting there.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Saying, I think Sean Colmes is a great man. He
taught me so much.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Because she called the menias foot soldiers, young naive kids
that were willing to do anything to be part of
the organization.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
But she pointed out Brendan Paul got paid one hundred
k to do these illegal things from and Christine Cornim
KK she got paid six months, six times as much.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I said, wow o KAK got paid over a half
a million dollars.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
But also in that moment, they firmly put the onus
on Diddy KK and his security staff, and they actually
said that even though they said that, even though the
names may have changed, the poor group stayed the same,
and they were the enterprise and everybody else no matter
what they said, whether they knew willingly or not, were
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nothing but minions and foot soldiers that carried out all
of his desires.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Standing by outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Tisa Tels closing
arguments for the state commenced this morning. And the fallout
has been spectacular, Tisa Tels. I found it very interesting,
and this is important that Slovak kept referring to Shawn
Combs's employees, as I say, his minions, because not all
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of them were his employees. Some were just starstruck and
willing to do whatever he wanted. But she described them
as foot soldiers, and you know, you got to be
a foot soldier to do what they did, some of
them going into hotel rooms after free coughs and cleaning
up the bodily fluids. You know, that's a nice way
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of sperm, sweat, blood, urine faces, dope, food, alcohol. I
mean it was rank. The hotels that we have talked about,
as we've talked about many times, would charge up to
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forty seven thousand dollars to clean a room after a
free cough. That would be a minion that would do that, right,
And she talked about that enclosing arguments, didn't she tisa.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Now, yeah, now that was a brilliant visual display. She
referred to the security as Lieutenant. She named them all
Fahim de Rock Uncle PAULI Rooves said that they were
armed and ready. Okay, they said, remember David James, remember
how he said he was taken at gunpoint down the
golf front confront shig night Well, guns.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Flying down the hill.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
It was an amazing, amazing image to just say that, no,
this was a real criminal organization.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But they didn't stop there.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
They then show the pictures of the guns and the magazines,
saying there were two AR fifteens with serial numbers filed off.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
There were rifles with serial numbers filed off.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
And then they said, listen, this was an enterprise, and
KK and the security gave the orders, and then they
put up this visual of eleven of all his security people,
eleven men standing there looking a little bit unseemly. She said,
may to looking unseemly and saying they called the shots.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And then they went back to his workers. They said,
maybe he didn't know they were young.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Maybe the workers didn't know the flunkyes do minions.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Maybe they were young and naive, but they followed orders
and they were nothing but foot soldiers that followed KK
and security say again they put everything a focus and
a lot of people whispering it did he is convicted.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
If I was KK and anybody that was part of
his lieutenant security team, I would.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Be very, very worried.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Right now because the government has called you out.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Were alive at the Monahan Federal Courthouse where it's all
culminating today closing arguments in the Shawcome sex trafficking trial.
Now a lot of people, including the bookies, are betting
against the state, and that includes the community. It's my
understanding that there is a resurrection victory tour, a world
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tour being planned for Sean comes.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
What exactly If you were dumb enough to bet against
the house at any time, you get what you get. Listen,
the Southern District of New York did not come to play.
I've been in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
They've done amazing.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
But these idiots that want to buy a ticket to
a resurrection reunion tour, save it. Save it so you
can show your ground children how often you were and
against history. Again, there's a resurrection tour, there's a homecoming barbecue,
there's so much plan.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
But again, these.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Might just be the delusions of a madman who really
thought he got away with everything.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Joining me. Joshua Ridder, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, or,
star off Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. Joshua Ridder. I never
count my chickens before they hatch. I go into every
closing argument as if I'm going to lose, and I
argue like h E double L. That's pretty bold to
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be going in to closing statements as if you're gonna win.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Listen, you gotta have confidence, right. If you don't have confidence,
what else are you left with? I think you have
to at least applaud that there's you know, whether whether
or not the jury agrees with all of that is
to be seen, I suppose, But you're certainly not going
to limp into these closing arguments feeling like the case
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has already.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Settled, okay, in addition to a so called victory resurrection
tour to Tasta tales joining us outside the courthouse, everybody,
those of you just joining us, closing arguments going down
throughout the day today in the show Him sex trafficking trial.
I understand there's a big July the fourth party planned,
and I'm not talking about behind the walls of MBC.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Didny's team again, I don't know if they have smuggled
that man some Tucci into jail, but Didny's team has
been convinced that he is coming home.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
They have convinced him that he is coming home, and that.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
They have mounted such a strong case and poke holes
in the prosecution's case so much that it's not going
to be one, two, three, four, five days of deliberation
that by July fourth, this man will be home to
literally kiss babies and shake hands to his loyal followers
that prayed for him and bought him home again. It
defies logic that even if you sat to the summary
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charts and they were long arduous day, that any jury
could get through this mountain evidence.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
In time whether they decide not.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Guilty or guilty to have them home safely. But again,
time will tell. But Diddy, as he listened, there's a
lot of probably dead pigeons in Central Park, a lot
of alleged sacrifices going on.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
We will see.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
But right now, this is a man that swears he
is coming home.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
Word is Shawn Combs isn't the only one who believes
he will walk free. Kanye West is apparently chomping at
the bit to have Combs join him on a resurrection
tour the second the trial is over. Combs and West
have shared several jailhouse phone calls, and insiders say his
short visit to court was to send a message of loyalty.
The rapper's plan has some serious flaws, including the possibility
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Combs is convicted. Former Kanye fans are now signing petitions
to prevent him from performing, and Shawn Combs may never
be welcomed back into the public's good graces.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Let's talk about closing arguments as they are going down
in the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Throughout today, Tasa tells who
is in charge of closing arguments for the defense.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Agnophilial is in charge of closing for the defense. He
has respected the ball, shucks, your honor. This is my
first day in federal court. However, it might be effective.
The male jurors around Mark's as seem to be very
recepted to him, and even when he's made his arguments
in court, they always respond very well.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I think it was very strategic looking at the way the.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Jury sees the reflection in Mark to a certain point,
It's going to be interesting to see how much actually
carries over. But for right now, Mark seems to be
their secret weapon.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay to Josh Ritter, joining US criminal defense attorney. It's
not like you can pass it off like in football
game you can just throw it to your favorite player
in the middle of a run. It doesn't work like that.
One attorney is in charge of closing statements. You can't
pass it off like one argues for an hour and
then the next argues for another hour. That's not how
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it works. Only one lawyer from the defense team can
be chosen to give closing statements.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Explain no You're absolutely right, and it's not a surprise
that it's Agnifilo. He's the more experienced, he's the more
seasoned attorney. Listen did he has paid a lot of
money for this defense. He's not going to let the
most crucial moment in it fall into the hands of
less experienced attorneys. He's paid big money. He expects that
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big name. He expects the partner the headline, the person
whose name appears at the top of the letterhead, to
be the person giving the closing arguments. And I think
Agnifigelow wouldn't have it any other way either. Here's the
moment to shine. This is bringing it home. If you're
the Diddy team, you feel like you're now just punching
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it through the one yard line. That's going to be Agnifilo.
So you're absolutely right. One attorney, one chance, And I'm
not surprised that it.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Was him, you know, a very very surprised that Agnifilo
chose himself. He's the lead defense attorney, he's the one
to make this decision. Chose himself after his very disturbing
performance with our friend Harvey Levin regarding what else the
baby oil Listen, they call them freak offs.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
But you know, back when I was a kid in
the late seventies, they were called threesomes.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
If these are genuinely threesomes, how do you explain a
thousand bottles of baby oil?
Speaker 9 (20:30):
I don't know where the number one thousand came.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
The US attorney said it.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
I can't imagine it's thousands. I mean, you know, and
I'm not really sure what the baby oil has to
do with anything.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
They're essentially saying it's a lubricant for an orgy.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I guess I don't know what you need.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
A thousand one bottle of baby oil goes a long way.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I don't know what you need to need a thousand for.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
I mean, he has a big house. He buys in bulk,
you know. I think they have costcos in every place
where he has a home. I mean, have you sat
in the parking lot of a costco and see what
people walk out of there with?
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Not a thousand bottles of baby oil?
Speaker 8 (20:59):
I don't think was a thousand.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I think it was. I think it was a let's
just say it's a lot, okay, As he lost his mind,
that's when our friend's over at TMZ Crime Stories with
Nancy grace back to teas of tail standing out in
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front of the courthouse. Whoever knew that baby oil would
be the centerpiece of both the defense and the state's case.
But that's Agnifilio. He couldn't even hold up to softball
questions from Harvey Levin on TMZ. So I'm gary curious
why he didn't have Tenny, Tenny Gergos or Brian Steele
do closings. It was such an interesting choice. But I
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gotta be honest with.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
You, I am salivating at seeing Mark Agnfilial do his
baby oil defense. Everybody remembers that TMZ interview. He's sitting
there across from Harvey. Harvey, I don't know why baby
oil was here, his voice cracking, trying to act like
it's the most normal thing in the world to have
over eight over two thousand dollars in baby oil, assuming
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it's a dollar ninety nine a bottle in your home,
and act like these are the normal, perfectly, perfectly rational
and perfectly legal actions of an innocent man.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Again, it's an interesting choice, it's an odd choice.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
But as somebody that is waiting for Diddy to get justice.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I welcome this. Bravo. Mark Bravo.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I hope he does another TMD level performance.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
Hey, I really don't know what's going on with you,
but I just want to just give your heads up
that I'm about to really disappear on you. You feel me,
I'm not going to be playing these games with you
at all at all. So I don't know. You think
you silent treat me, treating me and you think I'm
gonna be Nah, you have a rude awakening. You'll just
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have silence and ain't nobody threatening you? And I ain't
even trying to go back and forth with no woman.
You know what I'm saying. I'm telling you, I ain't
got no time for no games when my life is
that right now, I don't have no time for no games,
baby girl. Me and you can be mad, I can
have a spat, we can have whatever. Then after that,
you better get on your job. That's really that, That's
that's all it is, because you got me on my job. Nah,
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it ain't gonna it ain't never gonna work like that
over here. You know what I'm saying. I was trying
to delete this message, but you have left me no choice.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So how do you you?
Speaker 10 (23:24):
You you go in the direction of like moving on
and ship like that, or you like just like have
me just keep moving. Ain't no threat. I'm just being clear.
I can't do this with you. Every time you get upset.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Get on your job, Get on your job and get
in there in the free cough and be videoed having
sex with multiple male sex workers. Sewan comes, you can
kiss my hard working rear end. How dare he tell
this woman get on your job, you know, Lynn Shaw?
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It makes me so mad. I think I'll get you
a nail in half. It brings tears in my eyes
as well, because I have represented women as have you,
that have been beaten and coerced and to up to
twenty tricks a day, twenty thirty different sex partners a day,
or they would be beaten, their money would be taken away,
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their driver's license, their cell phone, all sorts, all manners
of coercion. I get the pimp Romeo tactic, but I
don't know if the jury is going to get it
explain it.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, Nancy, that's the problem. The public as a whole
don't really understand this pimp Romeo as well as the
justice system. I'm convinced they don't even really totally understand it.
But here's the thing it is. Let me break it
down very simply. A vulnerable young woman girl thinks she
has a new boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
He showers her.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
With love and gifts, and it may be good for
a day or two, or even a month or two,
and then it turns into, oh you know.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Baby, girl, you love me, you'll do this for me.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I'm a little short on the rent, I need a
car payment, I need a.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
New Gucci bill. If you'll love me, you'll do it
just this once.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
This is what we hear a lot, and they do
it the once because they think they're in this love
relationship right and again, I want to remind everybody, mostly
very vulnerable girls and women. Okay, fast forward. Then it
becomes a little more hardcore and they're forced into full
blown sex trafficking. This is sexual servitude. Everybody has to
understand what the dirty ditty case and the public has
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to understand. And I'm praying that this jury, if they
understand nothing about a pimp Romeo, they will keep thinking
about that Cassie video of being knocked down drag barefoot
running to the elevator. That will remain in their minds
as well. As get on your job. That says to me,
sex trafficking. So we have to do a better job
as a society in educating the public to intervene and
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prevent any new victims, and to hold this dirty ditty
once and for all accountable too. Some form of sex trafficking, sex,
labor trafficking again, force fraud, coercion. I'm seeing it all
over the place. He's guilty in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, it's exactly as you just said. I want you
to take a listen to what Jane, not her real name, said,
speaking of the pimp Romeo tactic of coercion. Listen.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Jane agreed to have sex with Don, believing she was
fulfilling a fantasy for her boyfriend and it would not
be regular, but compares her first yes to opening Pandora's box.
She could not close. Every meeting after involves sex with
another man. Jane protested to hotel nights verbally and in writing,
but each time Combs threatened to break up with her
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and withdraw his financial support.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And even though Seawn comes correct me if I'm wrong.
Sidney Summer, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter also on
the trial, Shawn comes lawyers tried to pretend, Hey, they
didn't know that these women repeatedly said, I don't want
to do this, I don't want to do this, to
the point where Cassie Venturia was actually dragged back physically
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to a freak off by a bodyguard. Is that not coercion?
Have I lost my mind? But they tried to pretend
that Colmes didn't know the women were unwilling. Sidney Sumner
exactly what they.
Speaker 12 (27:28):
Argued in court, trying to finalize the instructions that the
jury was here. They said that they have not proved
that Combs had the men's raya for all of this
to have been a crime. They said that the women
never told Colmbs in person or in writing that they
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did not want to participate in these freak offs, and
it's simply just not true. Nancy Jane said this multiple times.
We saw in her own text multiple times that she
frequently expressed that she did not want to participate. She
did not want to do these things. She was upset
about it. And Jane also.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Had to testify to the fact.
Speaker 12 (28:12):
That other women particularly bothered her because she knew that
Colmes was seeing other people, other women, and they were
not hacking to do what she was asking to do
to have time with her boyfriend. They weren't being locked
in a hotel room for a week at a time,
only she was, and she particularly felt that this was
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something she was constantly pushed to do against her will.
And they signed a contract. Nancy, that's just insanity to me.
They signed a love contract. Holmes obviously thought that he
was paying James rent in exchange for her having sex
with an escort anytime he wanted her to.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I have seen nothing but Puff turn on the chom.
That's why he had a career.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
She still thought he was running.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Was charming, he was funny, he was witty. Puffy plays
this game really well, and he's been playing it for
a very long time.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I think this might be the limit of his star power,
and he's playing it right now in front of a jury.
Throughout the day, we have been listening to closing arguments
by the state. The defense closing arguments will commence Tomorrow morning.
Repeat Friday morning, the defense closing arguments will begin. They
project a four hour closing argument that will be followed
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by the judge's charges to the jury. What are charges?
That is, when the judge literally reads and the judge
must read it. One slip of the tongue. And I've
had this happen to me. One slip of the tongue
by the judge. If they add lib bad, that's reversible error.
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So the judge will literally be reading the law to
the jury, the law by which they are to judge
and decide this case. What is that?
Speaker 13 (30:00):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
They will hear a charge about what is reasonable doubt?
What is the burden of proof? What is a reasonable doubt?
It is not proving the case to a mathematical certainty
such as two and two equals four. It is a
reasonable doubt. And I don't mean a doubt like, hey,
maybe little green men from Mars flew in and conducted
the freak offs. Could that happen? Yes? Did it happen?
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Probably no, it probably did not happen. So all of
these legal theories must be explained to the jury, and yes,
they zone out during that. Imagine sitting in a warm
courtroom while the judge literally reads about thirty pages of
the law. It's really hard think about after you have
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lunch and you want to take a nap, but you can't.
And then they're in the courtroom. Everything gets all warm
and cozy. There's no distraction. The judge is droning on
and on. Yeah, they're going to zone out. This is
why I believe the jury charges are important, Sidney Sumner,
I need you on this because the state got a
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very important charge during closing arguments. Both lawyers Magnifilo for
the defense Slavic for the state, will say you will
hear the judge state the law. On x yesterday, the
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state argued and got a charge that the sex Act
did not have to be completed for coercion into sex
to be shown. They are putting all their money back
to Vegas Odds. Sidney Sumner on Cassie Ventura. And this
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is why I said in that video, if the state
can prove that in that one video the Intercontinental Hotel
beat down, in this one video, she was dragged back
to a free cough, which we know she was because
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when security got there, there was another man there. He
was a sex worker, and her testimony is that this
was a free cough, right, and he didn't take the
stand to rebut it. She was dragged back to the room.
But at that time, Sydney, she got her bags and left,
so the state got the charge. The jury is going
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to be told, Sydney that the sex act did not
have to be completed. So, Sidney, what I'm trying to
explain is that if the jury believes she was beaten
and dragged back to a free cough, that shows coercion,
and coercion shows sex trafficking. So if this one instance
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is proven, the state has met its burden. Bam explain
the jury charge, Sidney Sumner that the state got yesterday.
Speaker 12 (33:13):
Well, Nancy, in addition to what you mentioned, they also
got in that previous consent does not mean that a
victim was not later trafficked. So I think both of
those go hand in hand and are very important in
showing that just because the actual sex act didn't happen,
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and just because they may have said yes to this
the first time, doesn't mean that later on combs did
not traffic them. And I think they really have met
their burden of proof. Me And see, we've seen all
of these text messages, all of these protests, all of
these gentle rebuttals. So even before Casey was dragged back
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into this whole teleroom because Colm didn't want her to leave,
this freak off She even mentioned, Hey, I have my
movie premiere Monday. I don't really want to do this,
and Combs went forward with it anyway. Cole's had an
extreme level of control over Caffy's entire career, and he
seemed to want to roll her under the bus and
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push her down and make sure that she wasn't being
successful without him so that he could continue to leverage
this control over her. She discussed having hundreds of unreleased songs.
She called it busy work. Colin just kept her not
enough that she thought that he would actually help her career,
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and that explained part of the reason that she was
still with him ten years later.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace What I Mean Now Special
gues Joseph Jaqueline, former NYPD sergeant, author of the Cold
Case Handbook and The Criminal Investigative Function, a guide for
new investigators, and he is the star of a podcast,
(35:15):
True Crime with the Serge. Thank you Joseph for being
with us. You know what's interesting. Shawn Combs is planning
his victory tour, as Kanye calls it his resurrection tour.
The Family Shawn Comes. His family is preparing a post
trial to be released date documentary of how he has
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suffered throughout this, Shawn, how Shawn Combs has suffered throughout this.
There is a block party planned, There is a July
fourth party planned for when Combs gets released. The bookies
in Vegas are betting against the state. But you know what,
I ain't giving up, Jackie. I'm not giving up because
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I believe the state has proven its case against a
very very popular, a very very wealthy celebrity. And it
tastes like a dirt sandwich to think he could get
away with all the beatings, all the threats, the car bombings,
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the bribing, the extortion. It's almost more than I can take.
Because you know what, Joseph, he's no different than a
pimp at the corner of Broadway that beats a woman
to go turn tricks. He's no different. Jackeloges, No, he's
not Nancy.
Speaker 14 (36:45):
And I was always taught, you know, you don't put
the cart before the horse, and I think that's exactly
what's happening here. I mean, listen, I think that the
prosecution has a very strong defense. And listen, I wouldn't
bet against the federal government. They just don't walk into
these and saying, you know anything, willy nilly. They usually
have a very strong case.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
They have the.
Speaker 14 (37:06):
Full backing of them and they have videos, they have testimony,
they have eyewitnesses, they have so many different aspects going
for them. They've both circumstantial evidence, direct evidence, you name it,
they have it. It's about the presentation, it's about what
the jury is going to believe. Of course, in the
long run, my only concern is that butting up against
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the July fourth weekend where court's going to be closed,
So you know, you don't if they get it Monday,
you're looking at maybe Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. I hope
that they're not going to try to rush things to
get it done before the holiday. That's always a concern.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Siddy Summer. Before I throw this to doctor Bethany Marshall,
could you please explain what we heard early early this
morning when the lead defense attorney, Mark Magniffolo came in
the court room and tested the mics. He sang copa cabana.
Speaker 12 (37:55):
Apparently he started out for a name Lozola to try
and this mic. He shouldn't need it to give any
of his statements today, but he may need to object,
so I don't know if that is a sign if
that means something that they're feeling extremely confident going into
closing arguments. But that seems a pretty relaxed way to
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test that mic.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
You know what, doctor, Bethany, Even people here on my
studio actually laughed just then. I have a completely different reaction.
I want to cry because it's all just a big joke.
It's just a big joke. And you know what, for
all of you producers sitting here that actually laughed when
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you heard Agniffhelo tested the mic by singing her name
was Lola, it's just a big joke to them because
they have never been a sex assault victim. And I'm glad.
I'm glad they haven't. They've never had to deal with
one witness I had in the middle of her direct testimony.
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She couldn't take it, Bethany. She put her head down
on on the desk in front of her at the
witness stand by the mic and went into some kind
of catatonic state. In my rape case, Okay, forget my case,
forget what I was trying to do. What about her
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when she had to recount what happened. These people are
never the same, Bethany. You know what, just wait a minute.
The state is not allowed to do this, but I
can do it because I'm not arguing to you a jury.
Forget about yourself. Think about your daughter having sex time
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after time after time in one night for hours, sex
marathons that go twenty four to thirty six hours with
multiple sex workers that were hired specifically because they are
quote well endowed by Sean comes with him standing by naked,
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masturbating and videoing this happening to your daughter. To your daughter.
Oh nance, what a change, because nobody's laughing in the studio.
Now it's not funny anymore, is it. You know that song?
Speaker 13 (40:20):
Her name is Lola. My first association was Lolita, who
was a thirteen year old who was sexually abused, all right,
and then Jeffrey Epstein's plane is the Lolita Express. I
think on Mark Agniffilo's part is an unconscious reference to
the fact that women deserve to be abused. That's the
first thing I heard. I think it's disgusting, and I
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was thinking too, doesn't he have daughters, sisters, a mother.
He wouldn't want them in that kind of a situation.
I think the events actually is serving up the idea
of force fraud and coercion on a silver platter. And
what I mean by this the three stages of the.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Pimp Romeo syndrome.
Speaker 13 (41:02):
The pimp pretends to be in love with the victim,
love bombs all of that, then grooms and gets the
victims trust. And in the third stage, the victim cannot
break away, so they do go back and forth like Okay,
I'll arrange you know, I'll call the sex workers for you.
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They are terrified and then they say no, thinking that
Sean Deny Combs is actually listening to them. And when
you say no so many times and the other person
doesn't listen, you start to become brainwashed that you didn't
say no at all. That's what Cassie said in her testimony.
It wasn't only It wasn't until she looked back at
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her texts that she realized she had been saying no
for years. She had dissociated from that. And one more thing, Nancy,
This Mark Agniffolo singing the Lola Song reminds me of
all the rich, well healthy, powerful men who went on
the Lolita Express knowing exactly what they were going to do,
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getting that island, participating and thinking it was all one
big party.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
It's not a party.
Speaker 13 (42:14):
Women and men are being abused.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
It's a tragedy. As we head to a verdict watch
in the Seawan comb sex trafficking trial, we stopped to
remember an American hero, Trooper mart Hudson, Maryland State PD,
just twenty five, killed in the line of duty, served
only one year. Leeve's behind a grieving fiance, a mother
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and stepfather. American hero Trooper Mart Hudson. Nancy Gray signing
off goodbye for
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are live at the courthouse, Vegas.
Odds even Shawn Combs will spend no time behind bars,
and Shawn Combs will spend life behind bars. But guess what,
I don't care what the book you say. It's all
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down to twelve gurrars. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
with us. We are headed into a verdict.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Watch out the Blue, the defensive we rest our case.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
This isn't even a trial of did did he do it?
It's just a trial of will he be held accountable.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
He's selling his freedom as if it is a fragrance.
He is out there promoting it, and I predict and
I'm seeing.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Let's go straight to the courthouse. Standing by is Tisa Tale,
star of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa, thank you for
being with us. It's my understanding that early early this morning,
leading into closing statements, Shawn com looked like he was
quote walking on air. What the courtroom was shocked.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
This man came floating in on air, twinkle toes, just
dancing in two.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
We have never seen this man in a better mood.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Everything that's happened the attempted charges that have been dropped
from the jury verdict. They have him in the best
of spirits. This is a man that thinks he's going
to walk away. This is a man that thinks his
twenty million dollars law team did their job. This is
a man that thinks he has avoided.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Justice tasted tails. Tell me what else happened in the
courtroom today.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
What happened in court today literally shocked to everyone. The
prosecution came in strong. They made a clear, concise case.
Did he who seem to be walking on air walking
in You saw his body language slump?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
They made such an excellent case.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
To actually map out and hold our hands like we
were three year olds that needed help across the street.
What the Colms enterprise was, how he commanded and controlled
everything and everybody, and how they were nothing but an
apparatus made to fulfill every sexual deviant desire he had.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It really came together today in court. At the beginning
they refer to Sean Combe's well as Slavic. Slavik refers
to Shawn Combs as the head of a criminal enterprise
and someone who quote doesn't take no for an answer,
describe what she was telling the jury and how the
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jury responded. That's what Slavic said straight out of the gate.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
She said, he doesn't take no for an answer, and
he wants what he wants. Once she said that, she
went into a list of all the predicate crimes. She said, kidnapping, arson,
forced labor, was sexual assault, brivery, sex trapping, sex trafficking
that was forced and manipulated these women. And when that happened,
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she went in like a battling ramp and the jury
was up. The jury was taking attention. They had their
built pats out, they were leaned in, they were so
locked in. The prosecution woke the jury up and they
couldn't get enough taste of tales.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Slavic did something I think was brilliant. She almost immediately
took the jury to two of the most violent attacks
on women in order to force them to perform sexually.
Of course, one has to be a Cassie Ventura's attack
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at the Intercontinental Hotel. That's the single strongest one because
there's video evidence. You don't have to just take her
word for it. You can see it on the close
circuit TV there at the Intercontinental. But she also took
to the jury to the moment that Jane not her
real name, was brutally attacked and covered in welts all
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over her body, abating by Sean Combs, after which he
told her to get back in the ring and perform
oral sex on a male escort despite her protests. What
did she say exactly and how did the jury respond?
What were they doing?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
She showed a screenshot at the moment we saw Cassie
be brutally beat and she said, I want to take
you to two moments eight years apart, but with the
same pattern, done by the same man.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
The jury was leaned in.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
They described how Cassie was brutally beaten and stumped. She
used the word stump, and then they tied it in
with Jane.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Now, of course they didn't.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Let us see the pictures of Jane, but they put
those beaten pictures.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Of Jane on their screens, and.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
They showed us a screenshot of Jane's testimony where they
had her saying I was beaten, I was dragged, I
was kid It was an incredibly powerful moment.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Taste of tails. How is Sean Colmes reacting to this?
What does he say as the prosecutor is regurgitating all
of these horrific facts about him, and he's sitting right there.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I honestly think that the jury's reaction showed us the
clearest thing of how well the prosecution was going. When
she first started talking, he almost had a smug look
on his face.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There was still a faint smile.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
He was looking over in the prosecutor's direction, in the
jury's direction.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Looking like he did not care.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
However, once they put a screenshot of Cassie's bat beating
one and.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
She went through, boom boom, boom.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Rapid fire of everything he's being charged with, leaving no doubt,
he all of a sudden just looked straight.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
He looked down. Then I believe he got nudgs.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
He looks Jrad again, and after that he rarely looked
at the.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Jury the whole time.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
But what do you do when somebody is literally outlining
how you are the devil incarnate?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You know another thing that Christy Slavic did that I
thought was also brilliant. I hate when lawyers simply vomit
up the letter of the law and use Latin phrases
that nobody knows what they're talking about unless you went
to Harvard law school. For Pete's sake. She really broke
down what Rico means a conspiracy, and I'm going to
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quote what she said. The concept is simple. When someone
commits a crime as part of a group, the law
calls it an enterprise, and that makes them Sean Combs
more powerful and dangerous. You know, over and over Tisa tales,
we heard the same thread going through all of the
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victim's testimony. When Cassie Ventura was being beaten, she looked
up at all of Coms's minions is said, can't you
see what's happening? And they tacitly, nonverbally condoned what Combes
was doing. That's the enterprise, those people that enabled Combs.
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Tell me how the jury responded. What did she say
and how did they react?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
That was an incredibly powerful moment.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Okay, Slavic said, he's already a rich and powerful man,
and the enterprise made him more powerful and more dangerous.
When they heard that, you saw a few jurors uncross
their legs and leaned forward. They were dialed in again.
It's almost like the prosecution at taking their kid gloves off,
and they were leaving the jurors with no doubt.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
You don't need to connect the dots.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
We are going to rawl the dots, connect them for you,
and then walk you over to see where everything is.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Again, a lot of shifting, a lot of rubbing the faces.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
A lot of leaning in, taking furious notes, looking closely
at what was being shown on their monitors.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
They had the jury with their closings.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Another important cord this Slavic struck during her closing argument,
which commenced early this morning, is that Sean Combs has
been clothed in respectability, in celebrity, in billions of dollars
and everything that can buy. The private jet, the mansions
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all over the world, the designer closed, the fancy restaurants,
people at his beck and call. But she pointed out
that for all the fame, wealth, power and privilege, he
is not above the law and he's not Remember that
(08:52):
quote Tisa TLS where one minion says to the other,
pointing up to a picture of Combs, this is his
kingdom and we're just living in it. Explain to Nay
how the jury responded to her argument.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
His enterprise, and the way she said the word enterprise
that was dripping with disdain. Their only goal was promoting
and protecting and fulfilling every sexual desire that he had. Okay,
they enabled him to commit crimes. When she said that
the jury furiously taking notes. They even looked over at
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Seancolm's side, not directly at home, but at the side
where all his loyal supporters and family were sitting and
protecting him from law enforcement. When they said that, a
few juror's brows actually furied. It's almost like they were
cutting through all of the bs from the last four
weeks cross examinations and.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Cutting through to what the heart of this case was.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
And it became clear to everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
I think even Sean Diddycombs that he is not going
to beat.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
This Tasta tales. What exactly did Slavic say about Shawn
Combs's wealth, fame, and privilege.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
What she talked about was in a fan swoop. She
did an amazing job of explaining away.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
The reason why some of these assistants that got immunity
were sitting there.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Saying, I think Sean Colmes is a great man. He
taught me so much.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Because she called the menias foot soldiers, young naive kids
that were willing to do anything to be part of
the organization.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
But she pointed out Brendan Paul got paid one hundred
k to do these illegal things from and Christine Cornim
KK she got paid six months, six times as much.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
I said, wow o KAK got paid over a half
a million dollars.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
But also in that moment, they firmly put the onus
on Diddy KK and his security staff, and they actually
said that even though they said that, even though the
names may have changed, the poor group stayed the same,
and they were the enterprise and everybody else no matter
what they said, whether they knew willingly or not, were
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nothing but minions and foot soldiers that carried out all
of his desires.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Standing by outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, Tisa Tels closing
arguments for the state commenced this morning. And the fallout
has been spectacular, Tisa Tels. I found it very interesting,
and this is important that Slovak kept referring to Shawn
Combs's employees, as I say, his minions, because not all
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of them were his employees. Some were just starstruck and
willing to do whatever he wanted. But she described them
as foot soldiers, and you know, you got to be
a foot soldier to do what they did, some of
them going into hotel rooms after free coughs and cleaning
up the bodily fluids. You know, that's a nice way
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of sperm, sweat, blood, urine faces, dope, food, alcohol. I
mean it was rank. The hotels that we have talked about,
as we've talked about many times, would charge up to
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forty seven thousand dollars to clean a room after a
free cough. That would be a minion that would do that, right,
And she talked about that enclosing arguments, didn't she tisa.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Now, yeah, now that was a brilliant visual display. She
referred to the security as Lieutenant. She named them all
Fahim de Rock Uncle PAULI Rooves said that they were
armed and ready. Okay, they said, remember David James, remember
how he said he was taken at gunpoint down the
golf front confront shig night Well, guns.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Flying down the hill.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
It was an amazing, amazing image to just say that, no,
this was a real criminal organization.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But they didn't stop there.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
They then show the pictures of the guns and the magazines,
saying there were two AR fifteens with serial numbers filed off.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
There were rifles with serial numbers filed off.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
And then they said, listen, this was an enterprise, and
KK and the security gave the orders, and then they
put up this visual of eleven of all his security people,
eleven men standing there looking a little bit unseemly. She said,
may to looking unseemly and saying they called the shots.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And then they went back to his workers. They said,
maybe he didn't know they were young.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Maybe the workers didn't know the flunkyes do minions.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Maybe they were young and naive, but they followed orders
and they were nothing but foot soldiers that followed KK
and security say again they put everything a focus and
a lot of people whispering it did he is convicted.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
If I was KK and anybody that was part of
his lieutenant security team, I would.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Be very, very worried.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Right now because the government has called you out.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Were alive at the Monahan Federal Courthouse where it's all
culminating today closing arguments in the Shawcome sex trafficking trial.
Now a lot of people, including the bookies, are betting
against the state, and that includes the community. It's my
understanding that there is a resurrection victory tour, a world
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tour being planned for Sean comes.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
What exactly If you were dumb enough to bet against
the house at any time, you get what you get. Listen,
the Southern District of New York did not come to play.
I've been in the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
They've done amazing.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
But these idiots that want to buy a ticket to
a resurrection reunion tour, save it. Save it so you
can show your ground children how often you were and
against history. Again, there's a resurrection tour, there's a homecoming barbecue,
there's so much plan.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
But again, these.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Might just be the delusions of a madman who really
thought he got away with everything.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Joining me. Joshua Ridder, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, or,
star off Courtroom Confidential on YouTube. Joshua Ridder. I never
count my chickens before they hatch. I go into every
closing argument as if I'm going to lose, and I
argue like h E double L. That's pretty bold to
(15:36):
be going in to closing statements as if you're gonna win.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Listen, you gotta have confidence, right. If you don't have confidence,
what else are you left with? I think you have
to at least applaud that there's you know, whether whether
or not the jury agrees with all of that is
to be seen, I suppose, But you're certainly not going
to limp into these closing arguments feeling like the case
(16:03):
has already.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Settled, okay, in addition to a so called victory resurrection
tour to Tasta tales joining us outside the courthouse, everybody,
those of you just joining us, closing arguments going down
throughout the day today in the show Him sex trafficking trial.
I understand there's a big July the fourth party planned,
and I'm not talking about behind the walls of MBC.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Didny's team again, I don't know if they have smuggled
that man some Tucci into jail, but Didny's team has
been convinced that he is coming home.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
They have convinced him that he is coming home, and that.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
They have mounted such a strong case and poke holes
in the prosecution's case so much that it's not going
to be one, two, three, four, five days of deliberation
that by July fourth, this man will be home to
literally kiss babies and shake hands to his loyal followers
that prayed for him and bought him home again. It
defies logic that even if you sat to the summary
(16:57):
charts and they were long arduous day, that any jury
could get through this mountain evidence.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
In time whether they decide not.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Guilty or guilty to have them home safely. But again,
time will tell. But Diddy, as he listened, there's a
lot of probably dead pigeons in Central Park, a lot
of alleged sacrifices going on.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
We will see.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
But right now, this is a man that swears he
is coming home.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
Word is Shawn Combs isn't the only one who believes
he will walk free. Kanye West is apparently chomping at
the bit to have Combs join him on a resurrection
tour the second the trial is over. Combs and West
have shared several jailhouse phone calls, and insiders say his
short visit to court was to send a message of loyalty.
The rapper's plan has some serious flaws, including the possibility
(17:43):
Combs is convicted. Former Kanye fans are now signing petitions
to prevent him from performing, and Shawn Combs may never
be welcomed back into the public's good graces.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Let's talk about closing arguments as they are going down
in the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Throughout today, Tasa tells who
is in charge of closing arguments for the defense.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Agnophilial is in charge of closing for the defense. He
has respected the ball, shucks, your honor. This is my
first day in federal court. However, it might be effective.
The male jurors around Mark's as seem to be very
recepted to him, and even when he's made his arguments
in court, they always respond very well.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I think it was very strategic looking at the way the.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Jury sees the reflection in Mark to a certain point,
It's going to be interesting to see how much actually
carries over. But for right now, Mark seems to be
their secret weapon.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Okay to Josh Ritter, joining US criminal defense attorney. It's
not like you can pass it off like in football
game you can just throw it to your favorite player
in the middle of a run. It doesn't work like that.
One attorney is in charge of closing statements. You can't
pass it off like one argues for an hour and
then the next argues for another hour. That's not how
(18:59):
it works. Only one lawyer from the defense team can
be chosen to give closing statements.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Explain no You're absolutely right, and it's not a surprise
that it's Agnifilo. He's the more experienced, he's the more
seasoned attorney. Listen did he has paid a lot of
money for this defense. He's not going to let the
most crucial moment in it fall into the hands of
less experienced attorneys. He's paid big money. He expects that
(19:28):
big name. He expects the partner the headline, the person
whose name appears at the top of the letterhead, to
be the person giving the closing arguments. And I think
Agnifigelow wouldn't have it any other way either. Here's the
moment to shine. This is bringing it home. If you're
the Diddy team, you feel like you're now just punching
(19:49):
it through the one yard line. That's going to be Agnifilo.
So you're absolutely right. One attorney, one chance, And I'm
not surprised that it.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Was him, you know, a very very surprised that Agnifilo
chose himself. He's the lead defense attorney, he's the one
to make this decision. Chose himself after his very disturbing
performance with our friend Harvey Levin regarding what else the
baby oil Listen, they call them freak offs.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
But you know, back when I was a kid in
the late seventies, they were called threesomes.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
If these are genuinely threesomes, how do you explain a
thousand bottles of baby oil?
Speaker 9 (20:30):
I don't know where the number one thousand came.
Speaker 7 (20:32):
The US attorney said it.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
I can't imagine it's thousands. I mean, you know, and
I'm not really sure what the baby oil has to
do with anything.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
They're essentially saying it's a lubricant for an orgy.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I guess I don't know what you need.
Speaker 9 (20:44):
A thousand one bottle of baby oil goes a long way.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I don't know what you need to need a thousand for.
Speaker 9 (20:48):
I mean, he has a big house. He buys in bulk,
you know. I think they have costcos in every place
where he has a home. I mean, have you sat
in the parking lot of a costco and see what
people walk out of there with?
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Not a thousand bottles of baby oil?
Speaker 8 (20:59):
I don't think was a thousand.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I think it was. I think it was a let's
just say it's a lot, okay, As he lost his mind,
that's when our friend's over at TMZ Crime Stories with
Nancy grace back to teas of tail standing out in
(21:21):
front of the courthouse. Whoever knew that baby oil would
be the centerpiece of both the defense and the state's case.
But that's Agnifilio. He couldn't even hold up to softball
questions from Harvey Levin on TMZ. So I'm gary curious
why he didn't have Tenny, Tenny Gergos or Brian Steele
do closings. It was such an interesting choice. But I
(21:44):
gotta be honest with.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
You, I am salivating at seeing Mark Agnfilial do his
baby oil defense. Everybody remembers that TMZ interview. He's sitting
there across from Harvey. Harvey, I don't know why baby
oil was here, his voice cracking, trying to act like
it's the most normal thing in the world to have
over eight over two thousand dollars in baby oil, assuming
(22:08):
it's a dollar ninety nine a bottle in your home,
and act like these are the normal, perfectly, perfectly rational
and perfectly legal actions of an innocent man.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Again, it's an interesting choice, it's an odd choice.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
But as somebody that is waiting for Diddy to get justice.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I welcome this. Bravo. Mark Bravo.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I hope he does another TMD level performance.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
Hey, I really don't know what's going on with you,
but I just want to just give your heads up
that I'm about to really disappear on you. You feel me,
I'm not going to be playing these games with you
at all at all. So I don't know. You think
you silent treat me, treating me and you think I'm
gonna be Nah, you have a rude awakening. You'll just
(22:51):
have silence and ain't nobody threatening you? And I ain't
even trying to go back and forth with no woman.
You know what I'm saying. I'm telling you, I ain't
got no time for no games when my life is
that right now, I don't have no time for no games,
baby girl. Me and you can be mad, I can
have a spat, we can have whatever. Then after that,
you better get on your job. That's really that, That's
that's all it is, because you got me on my job. Nah,
(23:14):
it ain't gonna it ain't never gonna work like that
over here. You know what I'm saying. I was trying
to delete this message, but you have left me no choice.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So how do you you?
Speaker 10 (23:24):
You you go in the direction of like moving on
and ship like that, or you like just like have
me just keep moving. Ain't no threat. I'm just being clear.
I can't do this with you. Every time you get upset.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Get on your job, Get on your job and get
in there in the free cough and be videoed having
sex with multiple male sex workers. Sewan comes, you can
kiss my hard working rear end. How dare he tell
this woman get on your job, you know, Lynn Shaw?
(24:01):
It makes me so mad. I think I'll get you
a nail in half. It brings tears in my eyes
as well, because I have represented women as have you,
that have been beaten and coerced and to up to
twenty tricks a day, twenty thirty different sex partners a day,
or they would be beaten, their money would be taken away,
(24:24):
their driver's license, their cell phone, all sorts, all manners
of coercion. I get the pimp Romeo tactic, but I
don't know if the jury is going to get it
explain it.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, Nancy, that's the problem. The public as a whole
don't really understand this pimp Romeo as well as the
justice system. I'm convinced they don't even really totally understand it.
But here's the thing it is. Let me break it
down very simply. A vulnerable young woman girl thinks she
has a new boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
He showers her.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
With love and gifts, and it may be good for
a day or two, or even a month or two,
and then it turns into, oh you know.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Baby, girl, you love me, you'll do this for me.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I'm a little short on the rent, I need a
car payment, I need a.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
New Gucci bill. If you'll love me, you'll do it
just this once.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
This is what we hear a lot, and they do
it the once because they think they're in this love
relationship right and again, I want to remind everybody, mostly
very vulnerable girls and women. Okay, fast forward. Then it
becomes a little more hardcore and they're forced into full
blown sex trafficking. This is sexual servitude. Everybody has to
understand what the dirty ditty case and the public has
(25:37):
to understand. And I'm praying that this jury, if they
understand nothing about a pimp Romeo, they will keep thinking
about that Cassie video of being knocked down drag barefoot
running to the elevator. That will remain in their minds
as well. As get on your job. That says to me,
sex trafficking. So we have to do a better job
as a society in educating the public to intervene and
(25:59):
prevent any new victims, and to hold this dirty ditty
once and for all accountable too. Some form of sex trafficking, sex,
labor trafficking again, force fraud, coercion. I'm seeing it all
over the place. He's guilty in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, it's exactly as you just said. I want you
to take a listen to what Jane, not her real name, said,
speaking of the pimp Romeo tactic of coercion. Listen.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Jane agreed to have sex with Don, believing she was
fulfilling a fantasy for her boyfriend and it would not
be regular, but compares her first yes to opening Pandora's box.
She could not close. Every meeting after involves sex with
another man. Jane protested to hotel nights verbally and in writing,
but each time Combs threatened to break up with her
(26:46):
and withdraw his financial support.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
And even though Seawn comes correct me if I'm wrong.
Sidney Summer, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter also on
the trial, Shawn comes lawyers tried to pretend, Hey, they
didn't know that these women repeatedly said, I don't want
to do this, I don't want to do this, to
the point where Cassie Venturia was actually dragged back physically
(27:11):
to a freak off by a bodyguard. Is that not coercion?
Have I lost my mind? But they tried to pretend
that Colmes didn't know the women were unwilling. Sidney Sumner
exactly what they.
Speaker 12 (27:28):
Argued in court, trying to finalize the instructions that the
jury was here. They said that they have not proved
that Combs had the men's raya for all of this
to have been a crime. They said that the women
never told Colmbs in person or in writing that they
(27:50):
did not want to participate in these freak offs, and
it's simply just not true. Nancy Jane said this multiple times.
We saw in her own text multiple times that she
frequently expressed that she did not want to participate. She
did not want to do these things. She was upset
about it. And Jane also.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Had to testify to the fact.
Speaker 12 (28:12):
That other women particularly bothered her because she knew that
Colmes was seeing other people, other women, and they were
not hacking to do what she was asking to do
to have time with her boyfriend. They weren't being locked
in a hotel room for a week at a time,
only she was, and she particularly felt that this was
(28:34):
something she was constantly pushed to do against her will.
And they signed a contract. Nancy, that's just insanity to me.
They signed a love contract. Holmes obviously thought that he
was paying James rent in exchange for her having sex
with an escort anytime he wanted her to.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I have seen nothing but Puff turn on the chom.
That's why he had a career.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
She still thought he was running.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Was charming, he was funny, he was witty. Puffy plays
this game really well, and he's been playing it for
a very long time.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I think this might be the limit of his star power,
and he's playing it right now in front of a jury.
Throughout the day, we have been listening to closing arguments
by the state. The defense closing arguments will commence Tomorrow morning.
Repeat Friday morning, the defense closing arguments will begin. They
project a four hour closing argument that will be followed
(29:29):
by the judge's charges to the jury. What are charges?
That is, when the judge literally reads and the judge
must read it. One slip of the tongue. And I've
had this happen to me. One slip of the tongue
by the judge. If they add lib bad, that's reversible error.
(29:51):
So the judge will literally be reading the law to
the jury, the law by which they are to judge
and decide this case. What is that?
Speaker 13 (30:00):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
They will hear a charge about what is reasonable doubt?
What is the burden of proof? What is a reasonable doubt?
It is not proving the case to a mathematical certainty
such as two and two equals four. It is a
reasonable doubt. And I don't mean a doubt like, hey,
maybe little green men from Mars flew in and conducted
the freak offs. Could that happen? Yes? Did it happen?
(30:24):
Probably no, it probably did not happen. So all of
these legal theories must be explained to the jury, and yes,
they zone out during that. Imagine sitting in a warm
courtroom while the judge literally reads about thirty pages of
the law. It's really hard think about after you have
(30:46):
lunch and you want to take a nap, but you can't.
And then they're in the courtroom. Everything gets all warm
and cozy. There's no distraction. The judge is droning on
and on. Yeah, they're going to zone out. This is
why I believe the jury charges are important, Sidney Sumner,
I need you on this because the state got a
(31:07):
very important charge during closing arguments. Both lawyers Magnifilo for
the defense Slavic for the state, will say you will
hear the judge state the law. On x yesterday, the
(31:30):
state argued and got a charge that the sex Act
did not have to be completed for coercion into sex
to be shown. They are putting all their money back
to Vegas Odds. Sidney Sumner on Cassie Ventura. And this
(31:52):
is why I said in that video, if the state
can prove that in that one video the Intercontinental Hotel
beat down, in this one video, she was dragged back
to a free cough, which we know she was because
(32:13):
when security got there, there was another man there. He
was a sex worker, and her testimony is that this
was a free cough, right, and he didn't take the
stand to rebut it. She was dragged back to the room.
But at that time, Sydney, she got her bags and left,
so the state got the charge. The jury is going
(32:35):
to be told, Sydney that the sex act did not
have to be completed. So, Sidney, what I'm trying to
explain is that if the jury believes she was beaten
and dragged back to a free cough, that shows coercion,
and coercion shows sex trafficking. So if this one instance
(33:01):
is proven, the state has met its burden. Bam explain
the jury charge, Sidney Sumner that the state got yesterday.
Speaker 12 (33:13):
Well, Nancy, in addition to what you mentioned, they also
got in that previous consent does not mean that a
victim was not later trafficked. So I think both of
those go hand in hand and are very important in
showing that just because the actual sex act didn't happen,
(33:36):
and just because they may have said yes to this
the first time, doesn't mean that later on combs did
not traffic them. And I think they really have met
their burden of proof. Me And see, we've seen all
of these text messages, all of these protests, all of
these gentle rebuttals. So even before Casey was dragged back
(33:59):
into this whole teleroom because Colm didn't want her to leave,
this freak off She even mentioned, Hey, I have my
movie premiere Monday. I don't really want to do this,
and Combs went forward with it anyway. Cole's had an
extreme level of control over Caffy's entire career, and he
seemed to want to roll her under the bus and
(34:21):
push her down and make sure that she wasn't being
successful without him so that he could continue to leverage
this control over her. She discussed having hundreds of unreleased songs.
She called it busy work. Colin just kept her not
enough that she thought that he would actually help her career,
(34:42):
and that explained part of the reason that she was
still with him ten years later.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace What I Mean Now Special
gues Joseph Jaqueline, former NYPD sergeant, author of the Cold
Case Handbook and The Criminal Investigative Function, a guide for
new investigators, and he is the star of a podcast,
(35:15):
True Crime with the Serge. Thank you Joseph for being
with us. You know what's interesting. Shawn Combs is planning
his victory tour, as Kanye calls it his resurrection tour.
The Family Shawn Comes. His family is preparing a post
trial to be released date documentary of how he has
(35:38):
suffered throughout this, Shawn, how Shawn Combs has suffered throughout this.
There is a block party planned, There is a July
fourth party planned for when Combs gets released. The bookies
in Vegas are betting against the state. But you know what,
I ain't giving up, Jackie. I'm not giving up because
(36:03):
I believe the state has proven its case against a
very very popular, a very very wealthy celebrity. And it
tastes like a dirt sandwich to think he could get
away with all the beatings, all the threats, the car bombings,
(36:25):
the bribing, the extortion. It's almost more than I can take.
Because you know what, Joseph, he's no different than a
pimp at the corner of Broadway that beats a woman
to go turn tricks. He's no different. Jackeloges, No, he's
not Nancy.
Speaker 14 (36:45):
And I was always taught, you know, you don't put
the cart before the horse, and I think that's exactly
what's happening here. I mean, listen, I think that the
prosecution has a very strong defense. And listen, I wouldn't
bet against the federal government. They just don't walk into
these and saying, you know anything, willy nilly. They usually
have a very strong case.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
They have the.
Speaker 14 (37:06):
Full backing of them and they have videos, they have testimony,
they have eyewitnesses, they have so many different aspects going
for them. They've both circumstantial evidence, direct evidence, you name it,
they have it. It's about the presentation, it's about what
the jury is going to believe. Of course, in the
long run, my only concern is that butting up against
(37:27):
the July fourth weekend where court's going to be closed,
So you know, you don't if they get it Monday,
you're looking at maybe Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. I hope
that they're not going to try to rush things to
get it done before the holiday. That's always a concern.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Siddy Summer. Before I throw this to doctor Bethany Marshall,
could you please explain what we heard early early this
morning when the lead defense attorney, Mark Magniffolo came in
the court room and tested the mics. He sang copa cabana.
Speaker 12 (37:55):
Apparently he started out for a name Lozola to try
and this mic. He shouldn't need it to give any
of his statements today, but he may need to object,
so I don't know if that is a sign if
that means something that they're feeling extremely confident going into
closing arguments. But that seems a pretty relaxed way to
(38:17):
test that mic.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
You know what, doctor, Bethany, Even people here on my
studio actually laughed just then. I have a completely different reaction.
I want to cry because it's all just a big joke.
It's just a big joke. And you know what, for
all of you producers sitting here that actually laughed when
(38:38):
you heard Agniffhelo tested the mic by singing her name
was Lola, it's just a big joke to them because
they have never been a sex assault victim. And I'm glad.
I'm glad they haven't. They've never had to deal with
one witness I had in the middle of her direct testimony.
(39:02):
She couldn't take it, Bethany. She put her head down
on on the desk in front of her at the
witness stand by the mic and went into some kind
of catatonic state. In my rape case, Okay, forget my case,
forget what I was trying to do. What about her
(39:23):
when she had to recount what happened. These people are
never the same, Bethany. You know what, just wait a minute.
The state is not allowed to do this, but I
can do it because I'm not arguing to you a jury.
Forget about yourself. Think about your daughter having sex time
(39:43):
after time after time in one night for hours, sex
marathons that go twenty four to thirty six hours with
multiple sex workers that were hired specifically because they are
quote well endowed by Sean comes with him standing by naked,
(40:04):
masturbating and videoing this happening to your daughter. To your daughter.
Oh nance, what a change, because nobody's laughing in the studio.
Now it's not funny anymore, is it. You know that song?
Speaker 13 (40:20):
Her name is Lola. My first association was Lolita, who
was a thirteen year old who was sexually abused, all right,
and then Jeffrey Epstein's plane is the Lolita Express. I
think on Mark Agniffilo's part is an unconscious reference to
the fact that women deserve to be abused. That's the
first thing I heard. I think it's disgusting, and I
(40:42):
was thinking too, doesn't he have daughters, sisters, a mother.
He wouldn't want them in that kind of a situation.
I think the events actually is serving up the idea
of force fraud and coercion on a silver platter. And
what I mean by this the three stages of the.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Pimp Romeo syndrome.
Speaker 13 (41:02):
The pimp pretends to be in love with the victim,
love bombs all of that, then grooms and gets the
victims trust. And in the third stage, the victim cannot
break away, so they do go back and forth like Okay,
I'll arrange you know, I'll call the sex workers for you.
(41:22):
They are terrified and then they say no, thinking that
Sean Deny Combs is actually listening to them. And when
you say no so many times and the other person
doesn't listen, you start to become brainwashed that you didn't
say no at all. That's what Cassie said in her testimony.
It wasn't only It wasn't until she looked back at
(41:44):
her texts that she realized she had been saying no
for years. She had dissociated from that. And one more thing, Nancy,
This Mark Agniffolo singing the Lola Song reminds me of
all the rich, well healthy, powerful men who went on
the Lolita Express knowing exactly what they were going to do,
(42:07):
getting that island, participating and thinking it was all one
big party.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
It's not a party.
Speaker 13 (42:14):
Women and men are being abused.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
It's a tragedy. As we head to a verdict watch
in the Seawan comb sex trafficking trial, we stopped to
remember an American hero, Trooper mart Hudson, Maryland State PD,
just twenty five, killed in the line of duty, served
only one year. Leeve's behind a grieving fiance, a mother
(42:40):
and stepfather. American hero Trooper Mart Hudson. Nancy Gray signing
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