May 26, 2023 • 39 mins
“General Hospital” star Haley Pullos has been charged after a wrong-way crash.
Pullos is now facing driving under the influence charges after her car flew over the dividing barrier, and into oncoming traffic. She careened off one car and collided head-on with another car, that was going about 60 mph.
Police reportedly recovered marijuana edibles and alcohol from the actress’ car. Firefighters had to use "the jaws of life" to free Pullos from her car. That's when the "General Hospital" actress lashed out at the responders shouting, “This is a $400 f**king shirt!”
TMZ also reports Pullos was aggressive with hospital staff and had to be sedated.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Jarrett Ferentino- Homicide Prosecutor, Facebook & Instagram: Jarrett Ferentino
- Dr. Shari Schwartz- Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy); Twitter: @TrialDoc; Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology"
- Robert Crispin - Private Investigator: “Crispin Special Investigations;" Former Federal Task Force Officer for United States Department of Justice, DEA and Miami Field Division; Former Homicide and Crimes Against Children Investigator; Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations, Inc.
- Sheryl McCollum- Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder; Former Georgia State Director with Mothers Against Drunk Drivers (MADD); Host of new podcast: "Zone 7;" Twitter: @ColdCaseTips
- Joseph Tremblay - Senior Forensic Engineer and Accident Reconstructionist, Veritech Consulting Engineering
- Dr. Tim Gallagher - Medical Examiner State of Florida; Lecturer: University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine; Founder/Host: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference
- Jen Smith- Chief Reporter for DailyMail.com; Twitter: @jen_e_smith
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
In the last hours, we learn the latest about a
star actress on the popular soap opera General Hospital. This woman,
Haley Pulos, was last spotted driving to a luxury nearly
three thousand dollars a night Malibu rehab after she plows
(00:36):
her vehicle wrong way on the interstate. Can you imagine
how fast they were going.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
All the while?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We know the head on collision was preceded by another
hit and run where the actress allegedly rammed into another person,
took off, and then plows in to this victim on
the interstate.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The dui crash seemingly has.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
No consequences because she is lounging right now at a
Malibu rehab that offers gourmet dining, hot tub yoga, horseback riding, fishing,
beach access, and off site activities during treatment.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I mean, I see, grace. This is Crime Stories.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation and
Series XM one eleven. First of all, take to listen
to our friends at ABC and KTLA.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
General Hospital star Haley Pulos has been arrested for an
alleged ui, accused of causing a major freeway rent the
incident happened on the one thirty four in Pasadena, where
the CHP says she entered the freeway into oncoming traffic.
She collided head on with another car, destroying both vehicles.
Pulos was hospitalized where she was then arrested for DUI.
(01:57):
The driver of the other car was also hospitalized with
major injuries.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Pelisa Pulos was also involved in a hit and run
crash before the freeway accident. According to Soap Opera Digest,
the show has temporarily recast her character. She was arrested
at the hospital and faces DUI charges.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But excuse me.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
To Jim Smith, chief investigative reporter with Dailymail dot Com,
the Soap Opera Digest no offense. Their banner, their headline
is her part has been recast. What about the victims too,
victims I believe in one day, Jim, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
And look, I think I might be able to explain why.
That's what they headlined on Nancy. And it's because when
they reached out to Haley Tulos they heard about this crash.
She just said to them, I was involved in a
car accident. I'm okay, I just need some time to recover.
She failed to mention the fact that the reason she
was involved in a crash is because she was driving drunk,
(02:59):
possibly on the influence of drugs, and had hit not
one but two cars like you mentioned.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay, I'm going to read it for Baden because it's
just so it's so incredulous.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It's hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
She plows into not one but two victims, and correct
me if I'm wrong. I think she was going wrong way,
drunk or on drugs on the interstate and plows into
somebody just after another hit and run she hit, and
she ran and then has a head on collision. Quote
this this was soap opera digest. I hope you're sitting down.
(03:33):
Quote Unfortunately, I was involved in an automobile accident. What
She's either drunk or high on something according to prosecutors,
I mean a snoopful And this is I was involved
in an automobile accident. Somebody wrote this for her, and
I'm doing okay, but I'm going to need a little
(03:54):
time to recover in your Malibu rehabs, seriously doing yoga,
hot dug gourmet dining, horseback riding, fishing, beach access and
off site activities. What okay, wait, I will be back
as soon as possible. Exclamation. Okay, just let that sink
(04:15):
in joining me. In addition to Jen Smith, chief reporter
dailymail dot Com, the former president of Georgia Mad Mothers
Against Drunk Driving, founder director Cold Case Research Institute, and
star of a new hit podcast, Zone seven, Cheryl McCollum
(04:36):
the gall.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
To say I'll be back as soon as possible.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
What Nancy, she's busy. I mean, she's got to take
some time with all the horseback ride, fish and yoga
and going to the beach. I mean, she's just not
even gonna have time to detail.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
The biggest banner is she's been recast. Jen Smith, I'm
just trying to figure out what exactly how, And first
I want to get to the wrong way on the
interstate because interstate to me means seventy five mph at best.
And how do you do a head on collision on
(05:12):
the interstate. Everybody's supposed to be going the same way.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Yeah, I mean, so much of us we still don't know.
But what we do know this happened there are one
point thirty in the morning. Now, what we know, according
to the police reports so far, is that she was
driving on this freeway, she swerved, she clears the dividing
barrier and crashes into a car traveling on the opposite
direction head on at what we know so far as
(05:38):
sixty miles per hour, definitely fast enough to cause some
serious damage and the driver of that car was taken
to the hospital with severe injury.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Right, did you say impact was at sixty mph?
Speaker 6 (05:50):
That's this car where the victim's car was traveling at
least sixty miles per hour when she crashed into it,
driving in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Joining me right now, Joseph Tremblay, Senior forensic engineer and
accident reconstructionist with Veritech Consulting Engineering, and you can find
him at vera techeng dot com, Vera tech Engineering dot com.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Joseph, thanks for being with us, Thanks for having me.
What do all.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Of these numbers and the speeds and going across the
median which actually may have reduced her speed somewhat.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
What do you make of this? What happened?
Speaker 8 (06:31):
Well, the way I understand it, and I'm taking some
of this directly from Daily Mail, was that she was
initially traveling westbound on Highway one thirty four and was
involved in an accident that was less severe with an
Oldsmobile driver potentially causing her to redirect in a direction
(06:52):
that would cause her to launch over the median barrier
and then become traveling in the oncoming traffic lane on
the eastbound side, and then at that point she contacted
the Kia that was driven by the twenty three year
old male. One thing I did find interesting about these
photographs that were provided by the responding emergency personnel was
(07:17):
at the point of rest for both of these vehicles
was all the way over on the right side of
the road, which means that she probably was airborne and
traveling across the entire highway before she contacted this Kia.
The damage to both vehicles is severe. It appears that
(07:38):
it is a front end impact biased a little bit
towards the driver's side of both vehicles, but the damage
is significant all the way from the front bumper through
the occupant compartment. And one thing I did read on
one of these news articles is.
Speaker 9 (07:57):
That she had to be extricated with the jaws.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Well, that's exactly my thinking. In fact.
Speaker 9 (08:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Joseph Tremblay, Senior forensic engineer and accident reconstructionist. I want
you to hear what we've learned about that from our
friends at KCAL.
Speaker 10 (08:15):
She's a general hospital actor. She plays the son and
daughter of Sonny. If you've ever seen that show, that's
who she plays. And we'll show you some video here
of the crash and you can see just really how
serious this was. This was a situation on the one
thirty four in Pasadena where Haley Puyos was arrested where
she came on the wrong way of the one thirty
four hit a car, continued on and then got into
(08:36):
this head on crash. You can see here how mangled
up the cars are. Here's the actress herself. She ultimately
was arrested by the CHP after she had to be
extricated using the jaws of life by the Pasadena Police Department.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Joseph Trimblay, joining us from Veritech Engineering, explain why do
you have to use the jaws of life.
Speaker 8 (08:56):
Well in severe accidents like this one. What ends up
happening from the impact crush that occurs to the vehicle
is that a lot of times the occupant compartment that
the area where the driver sits becomes so damaged that
(09:17):
I'm sorry, the front end of the vehicle, the bumper,
and then both doors become so intermingled entangled together from
the impact that you can't get out the driver. If
they do survive a significant impact like this, a lot
of times they can't get out of the vehicle, and
that could be because they're injured or because the vehicle
(09:40):
itself is just so damaged that they can't get out.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, I can tell you this much from what I know,
Jen Smith joining us daily mail dot com. She's not
so injured that she's not at the Malibu rehab Let's
see Malibu Detox and Residential Treatment Center where she has
hot tub What all did I say? Hot tub orde dining.
You know, I'd like to have lunch there today.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
That's really good.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yoga, horseback fishing, beach access, off site activities.
Speaker 11 (10:11):
She's not hurt. She's fine.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Crime stories with Nancy Greace.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
You just heard Joseph Tremblay state that you have to
use jaws of life, which they look like giant metal
pinchers that actually cut through the metal to extricate someone
when the car is so damaged and disfigured.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
So she's not hurt, Jen Smith.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I mean, the last photo I've seen in this woman,
her dad is driving her to this luxury treatment center
after a stop at Taco Bill. She has not lost
her appetite.
Speaker 12 (11:07):
She definitely has not lost her appetite.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
And no, you're quite right, she wasn't seriously injured. Obviously,
this was hugely fortunate for her that she was not
seriously injured. But we do know a little bit about
how she behaved when she was brought out of this vehicle. Now,
these emergency personnel, they clearly are risking their own safety
(11:31):
getting people out of these situations. And Nancy, when Hailey
Bulop was pulled out of her vehicle, she actually complained
to them that she was worried they were going to
tear her four hundred dollars shirt. She was cursing at
these men and women who were saving her, and she
was more worried about her clothes. She was then taken
(11:52):
to the hospital, we imagine as a precaution and to
be checked over, and that is where the investigating authorities
not that her speech was blurred, there was alcohol on
her breath, and they were able to make the determination
that she was over the limit. We're not quite sure
yet by how much. But after they searched what was
(12:14):
you know, still intact. In terms of her car, they
found a mini bossal of tequila and they found marijuana.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Edible tequila and pot. Wow, the car wasn't the only
thing airborne.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Speaking of her very bad behavior after not one but
two crashes, take a listen to Mike rogers Kekel.
Speaker 10 (12:40):
There is a TMZ report that claims that after she
was extricated, she was not terribly nice to a firefighter,
claiming that, you know, her shirt is worth four hundred dollars,
don't cut it, despite the fact that she allegedly just
caused this pretty bad crash. So the CCHP is now
investigating this whole thing again. She's been arrested for duy
and driving wrong way on her freeway.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Also a criminal charge. Okay, let me get this straight.
You know what, let me go out to you. Robert
Crispin Crispin private investigator, former Federal Task Force officer for
the DOJ, Department of Justice with DEA and the Miami
Field Division. Former homicide investigator now at Crispin Special Investigations.
(13:20):
Find him at Crispin Investigations dot com. Robert Crispin, she
cussed out see emergency tics and warning they better not
hurt her four hundred dollars blouse.
Speaker 13 (13:33):
Help me, Well, I've seen it a bunch of times, Nancy.
You know, before becoming a federal agent, you know, I
was a city cop and gosh, I've arrested so many
people for DUI. And the reason they're cutting her shorts
because they need to look at her to make sure
she doesn't have any bullet holes in her Was she
shopped before the christ They need to see if there's
any other injuries anywhere on her body. That's very typical
(13:53):
of a drunk driver to be argumentative. That's one of
the telltale signs. Argumentative, odor of alcohol, bloodshot, watery eyes, combative,
all that, that's all part of the bigger picture.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I mean, you know, Doctor Sherry Schwartz joining US forensic
psychologist specializing and capital mitigation. You can find her at
panthermitigation dot com. She's the author of Criminal Behavior and
also the author of Where Law and Psychology Intersect Issues
in Legal Psychology. On Twitter at trial dot doctor Sherry Schwartz,
(14:30):
thank you for being with us. Okay, you'd think she
would have stopped after the first crash, that hit and run,
but no, the thought of stopping and checking on that victim.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
That did not occur to her.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
She continued on to have a head on collision with
another driver and then have the wherewithal not.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
To ask about, Oh, my stars, is that guy hurt?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You damn well better not cut my four hun the
dollar blouse be I mean, that's what happened.
Speaker 14 (15:04):
Yes, And I hope it's on body cam so that
everybody can see it in court because that'll be extra special.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Well is that your medical diagnosis? That will be extra special.
Speaker 14 (15:14):
Because I really like that this is and I do mitigation,
as you know, Nancy, And these these are the kinds
of crimes that I won't touch because it's completely preventable.
And here is someone that has to be removed from
her own vehicle with the jaws of life. And I've
never seen this happen, but I imagine it takes some
(15:35):
time for that to happen. It'll just clamp that thing
down and out you come, right. I imagine it takes
some time. And during that time, why is she not thinking, oh,
oh my goodness, like, am I going to survive? Is
victim going to survive?
Speaker 5 (15:50):
You know?
Speaker 14 (15:50):
Am I going to get into trouble?
Speaker 12 (15:52):
No?
Speaker 14 (15:52):
She's worried about her four hundred dollars blouse, and she
was so aggressive according to what I read, that she
had to be sedated at the hospital because she was
even aggressive with hospital staff. And what we know, what
the psychology research shows us about this type of behavior
is that the alcohol tends to amplify trait behavior. So
(16:13):
this is somebody who likely has issues with aggression.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Jared Farantina is joining US veteran homicide prosecutor. You can
find them on Facebook and Insta Jarrett Farantina. Jarrett really
tequila and edible's pot and she's worried about her four
hundred dollars blouse and becomes abusive, cursing out the EMT's
trying to get her out of her car with the
(16:38):
jaws of life.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
Well, Nancy, it's Haley's world and we're all just living
in it. That's the attitude that I get here. She
has alcohol, marijuana, edibles. If it was truly a hit
and run too, I mean, she could have been and
the details of this haven't come out. She could have
been blacked out behind the wheels. So she got to
a point where she is so out of her mind
(17:02):
on whatever she's intoxicated on that she is not even
in touch with reality, has the hit and run Kareem's
into the oncoming lane and causes these very, very bad
injuries to this young man. So her conduct before is
a series of bad decisions. If she wasn't passed out,
(17:24):
it was a hit and run, she didn't render aid
to somebody, and she Kareems into that oncoming lane. It's
one intentional act and bad decision after another by Haley.
And then after the accident mistreats emergency personnel and was combative.
Speaker 15 (17:38):
At the hospital.
Speaker 12 (17:39):
Just a bad actress.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
All the way around.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Nancy.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Can I tell one of those amts had to say
no good day goes unpunished?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Is that Cheryl McCollum jumping in?
Speaker 13 (17:48):
Yes, Sam, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
But I just want to tell you before you say
one more word.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
As your lawyer, let me advise you that pulos is
stay at the Malibu Rehab could cost nearly thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Okay, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Alcohol makes you more of who you are, So if
you drink and want to fight everybody in the bar,
that's who you are. If you get drunk and want
to sleep with a perfect stranger. That's who you are
at your core. Alcohol does not change you. Most people
drink so they can do these things. So like when
a woman says, oh, he's good to me until he
(18:31):
starts drinking and then he beats me. No, he drinks
so he can beat you. So there's a difference when
you look at somebody that has cost thousands of dollars
worth of damage in these vehicles, cost thousands of dollars
versus worth of you know, rescue equipment and that time,
and she's worried about a four hundred dollars shirt. And
(18:52):
everybody loves firefighters. They know how to diffuse the situation.
They call you by your first name, they try to
call you down.
Speaker 13 (19:00):
They are literally.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Only there to help you, and you're going to try
to punch one of them. That's who you are.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
You know what, Cheryl McCollum, I'm looking at a photograph
we obtained from the Pasadena Fire Department. I don't know
how these people even lived. You see the airbag is
deployed that this car. These cars are mangled. Now we
know Pulos of course survived, but the other driver has
(19:31):
sustained major injuries and joining me right, now a special
guest medical examiner from the State of Florida, Doctor Tim Gallagher, Lecturer,
University of Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine, founder and host
of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher,
(19:54):
thank you for taking time out of your day at
the Medical Examiner's office to speak with us.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Why is it? Doctor Gallagher? And I know this is anecdotal.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
But I don't have a statistical study, But why is
it the drunk person always walks off, They're fine, She's
at a three thousand dollars a day Malibu rehab, horseback
riding and sitting in the hot tub.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Everybody else ends up in traction at the hospital or dead.
Speaker 12 (20:22):
There is information that supports that. And you know, typically
what alcohol does, it is a essential nervous system depressant,
meaning that it relaxes you and so it also increases
your reaction time, so it takes you longer to see
something and react to it than somebody who is sober.
(20:44):
So typically in these accidents, the person who is sober
will brace themselves right before the crash, so they'll grab
onto the steering wheel very hard. They'll strengthen their strengthen
they will straighten their arms, they will straighten their legs,
and that actually makes their bones a lot easier to break,
(21:06):
and they get injured a lot worse than somebody who
is just relaxed, does not fight the feeling and lets
the air bag come out and save them. So, you know,
the reason why I'm saying it's not exactly anecdotal is
because people who are restrained in the car and are
asleep in the car and are subject to the same
(21:27):
types of accidents have a much greater survival rate. So
the alcohol relaxes the body. You do not brace your
arms after the imp would you let go of the
steering wheel, and then the air bag will come out
and prevent you know, a lot of injuries that way.
And we also see this in race car drivers when
(21:50):
when the race car driver his car is out of
control and he knows he's going to hit the wall,
he will let go of the steering wheel, folds his
arms across his chest, and let the safety equipment that's
installed in the car do its work and there's a
lot less injuries, you know, to the driver because of
that reason. So it's the relaxation that the alcohol and
(22:12):
in this case, the marijuana brought her that actually contributed
to her not becoming as injured as she would have been.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You know, that's amazing what you just said, doctor Gallagher.
I'm trying to take it all in, so that really
is true. It's not just what I've noticed in deui homicides.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
That's real.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So the drunk person is more relaxed and somehow ends
up walking away or at least being a lot less
injured than all the other parties. Because I don't know,
if you've seen this picture of these mangled cars, what
looks like it's basically been cut in half.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
They really look awful.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I don't know how any one survived this, hey, doctor Gallagher.
Another quick question, tequila mixed with pot ediples?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
What effect would that have.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
On the defendant, the actress Haley Pulos.
Speaker 12 (23:15):
Well, you know, it depends on how much she had
with her. Now, so a six ounce how.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Much sequilla does it take? Gallagher?
Speaker 12 (23:23):
Well, also depends on the person's weight, you know, but
I would say an actress is probably underweight if I
were just hazard to guess, so I would say that
five ounces of tequila would raise her blood alcohol level
to about where she needs to be intoxicated, and then
anything above that will just add to that. As far
(23:45):
as the intoxication brought upon by the well delta nine thc,
which is the marijuana and then the alcohol, those combined
effects are often greater than the effects individually. You know.
We say typically say, you know, a two plus two
equals four, but in intoxication alcohol and marijuana two plus
(24:08):
two often equals ten. So they would be more intoxicated
having the combination, you know, than having each one individually.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You know, it was really interesting doctor doctor Gallagher is
joining me the Medical Examiner for the state of Florida,
the big push to legalize marijuana, and whether you're for
it or against it, I of course am against it,
not because I think you're going to sit on your
sofa and a big fat do be. My concern is
(24:38):
you're going to get on the road and drive, and
more vehicular homicides will occur because you're stoned.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
What do you think about that, doctor Gallagher.
Speaker 12 (24:48):
Well, it's very interesting. You should mention that, you know,
for every uh decedent or every victim that does not
survive that comes to the Medical Examiner's office as a
result of a car accident, we send the blood to
toxicology to see exactly what was in it. And you know,
marijuana has become so incredibly common in these accidents that
(25:11):
if in fact a blood sample comes back negative for marijuana,
I will call the toxicology company and ask them to
just run at one more time, you know, because nine
out of ten specimens do come back, you know, positive
for delta nine thhc, which is the active ingredient in marijuana.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And before you go back to your patients, Dot de
Gallagher answer, the same level of drug and an edible
as there would be in.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
Pot cigarette difficult to say because of all the different
recipes and there's no standardization, you know, like they would
have in pharmacological things, you know. So and also there's
different subtypes of marijuana. A lot of him have more
delta nine thc in them than another subspecies of it.
So it's just very difficult to say.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It's not like they've got a nutritional guide stuck on
the back of the edible about the calories and the
tea and the pot content. Guys, this woman, this soap
opera star, who wants us to know she'll be back
really soon from her luxury rehab. Haley pulos is by
far not the first is the name mel Gibson ring
(26:29):
a beail take listener cut.
Speaker 15 (26:30):
Nine Thursday night, mel Gibson was arrested on the Pacific
Coast Highway with a bottle of tequila in his brand
new Lexus, and he was clocked at about eighty four
miles an hour in a forty five mile an hour zone.
According to the Sheriff's Department, was arrested without incident. We're
now finding out today that he not only leveled some
(26:54):
what it can only be conceived as or perceived as
what can only be perceived as anti semitic comments to
the officer, but also some pretty harassing, sexually harassing comments
to a female officer. So there's a lot more to
this story than meets the eye.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You were hearing our friends at Extra mel Gibson ranting
anti Semitic slurs and sex slurs. But take a listen
to our friends at ABC.
Speaker 16 (27:22):
An angry rant caught on tape.
Speaker 12 (27:25):
You were evocatively dressed all the time with your fake
books you feel you have to show up and tied
out of it.
Speaker 16 (27:32):
And type pan celebrity site Radar Online reports mel Gibson
unaware he was being recorded, lashed out at his ex
girlfriend and the mother of his eight month old child,
Oxana Grigoryeva.
Speaker 10 (27:43):
I'm just truth.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
I don't like it.
Speaker 17 (27:46):
I don't want that woman. I don't want you.
Speaker 16 (27:49):
His comments allegedly get worse, turning to racial slurs, which
new reports say led to the William Morris Talent Agency
dropping Gibson. Gibson's people say the split was mutuell.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, so that was a fight with his girlfriend, the
mom of his child. The original bruhaha was about comments
he made while drunk driving. Of course, he's not the
only celebrity to misbehave and explode. It wouldn't be fair
not to manage mention. Alec Baldwin with it Are cut
(28:22):
thirteen from ABC, taking.
Speaker 18 (28:29):
His public blowouts with the press to a whole new letter.
I'm trying to get into his car outside his New
York apartment on Friday with his wife and three month
old baby, The famously hot tempered actor got in the
face of a female New York TV reporter, whom his
wife says hit her in the face with a microphone
a day earlier.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You're the one that almost hit my wife with the
microphone in the face. I asked you a question. If
you want to apologize to it, I asked your question.
Speaker 18 (28:55):
Still fuming, Baldwin rings over nearby comps, demanding they take
I do want to press.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Charges against her.
Speaker 19 (29:02):
She assaulted my wife.
Speaker 18 (29:03):
The ruckus didn't stop there, as Baldwin then bangs into
another car as he tries to leave his parking spot.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
That's the tip of the iceberg right there.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
But I want to get back to driving drunk and
bad celebrity behavior when they're already driving drunk and in
Pulos's case, two crashes sending one person to the hospital
that we know of with serious, serious injuries. Take a
listen to our friend Jim ray An inside edition the
(29:38):
now infamous incident regarding Heather Locklear.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Heather, how are you doing?
Speaker 19 (29:43):
The turmoil continues for troubled actress Heather Locklear. The former
Melrose Play star, shielded her face with a hoodie today after.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Being busted yet again.
Speaker 19 (29:52):
If you have any statement to make it all, miss Locklear.
Locklear allegedly struck a cop and a paramedic who were
responding to a nine to one one all out of
her home Sunday night.
Speaker 18 (30:01):
She was extremely intoxicated, and at one point she actually
kicked a deputy, at which point she was arrested.
Speaker 19 (30:08):
Blocklear was released after posting twenty thousand dollars bail. She
said nothing as she left jail with her attorney have
no profit. She was wearing flip flops and pajamas as
she headed to a car.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
You know, Cheryl McCollum, you mentioned earlier that very often
people behave when they're drunk the way that they secretly
want to behave. Why does everybody have to get drunk
and then attack the cop or, in Pulos's case, the firefighter.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
Well, I mean, I think at that point they can't
hide who they are because they're intoxicated. So again, when
you look at this behavior, it is a pattern they
teat over and over. This isn't the first time they've
been intoxicated, this isn't the first time they've driven drunk.
And Nancy, the reality of this crime is we lose
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thirteen thousand people a year to you know, drunk driving
crashes that are one hundred percent preventable, And even during
this episode of your show, one person will be killed
due to an alcohol related driving incident, and it's preventable
now that we have left.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
We have Uber, we have.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Taxis, we have Hey, here's an idea. Stay home. You know,
you can drink all you want, you can party and
have the time of your life. Do not get behind
the wheel of a car, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Jenn Smith joining me, Chief investigative reporter for Dailymail dot Com.
It really wouldn't be fair when we're talking about celebrities
that get drunk and have crashes, or celebrities feeding off
their own stardom that believe they can mistreat all of us,
just regular people.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Jen, take a listar cut nineteen.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Bro, why are you giving?
Speaker 13 (32:12):
I write him an American?
Speaker 20 (32:14):
You got me in my hotel regally in doing what sir?
Let's go, Joe, you really got this cuss on me heavy.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
I'll let me.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
Oh listen, can we talk me and you?
Speaker 20 (32:26):
No, we can't talk and know this.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
I'm not going America.
Speaker 20 (32:30):
Okay, my taxes get me my arms.
Speaker 14 (32:32):
So we're not gonna have a conversation.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
No, you don't put these off my arms or you beating.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
You're hearing Shia and he's not done yet. Take a
litten our friends at.
Speaker 20 (32:43):
AP you have president don't give it about you, and
you're stuck in a police force and don't give.
Speaker 9 (32:49):
Me about you.
Speaker 20 (32:50):
So you want to rest white people who get who
ask for cigarettes. I came up to you trying to be.
Speaker 13 (32:57):
Nice, you stupid.
Speaker 20 (33:01):
I came up with you asking for a cigarette. You
don't what would ask for a cigarette? If I was racing,
I was asking for a cigarette. You said no, I
said words, and then you arrested me, you dumb me.
They got cameras everywhere, you dummy. I got more millionaire
lawyers than you know what to do with you, stupid.
(33:22):
I'm from it, you dummy.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Okay, okay, Well that's the way to get you a
cop on your side, to puss him out, call him stupid,
Ja Smith, What is wrong with Shia Labus?
Speaker 6 (33:34):
I mean, this is just the classic cases. Don't you
know who I am? And it's a thing we see
constantly with celebrities Shia Labuff. Who knows what was going
on there? I mean quite clearly, that is a man
not in control of his faculties. But it's what we
see time and time again. We've heard of Shilah buf
Alex Baldwyn, mel Gid Fellow, and that's in the last
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five minutes of this conversation. They're kinds samples.
Speaker 19 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Is it because celebrities get to into a different stratus,
sphere of success and aderation and wealth, where they think
that they're above the law, potentially in situations like this
one involving Haley Pullos. The crime itself do UI is
tragically not a rare one. Do you as account for
(34:22):
thirty percent of all vehicle crashes in America. But the
difference here is when a celebrity is involved, they almost
seem to think that it can't possibly be their.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Fault or that somehow they it should be excused, like
in this case, the soap opera star Haley Pulos is
instead of being behind bars at a rehab a so
called rehab in Malibu, they can cost her thirty grand
(34:53):
You know. The guys you're just listening to, some of
them are technical legal term pos, these pieces of crap.
But it's always a shocker when it's somebody you think
you really like. Take a listen to our cut six
from WSB.
Speaker 21 (35:10):
It happened at this Walgreens. According to this police report,
Reese Witherspoon's husband was traveling northbound down Peatree Road when
he veered into another lane. This is where he was
pulled over. But what happened after that? Even with the
growing film scene here in Metro Atlanta, as residents around
here surprised. According to this Department of Public Safety incident report,
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actress Reese Witherspoon was a passenger. Her husband, Jim Toth,
was the driver and suspected of duy when pulled over
twelve forty Friday morning. The report state's forty two year
old Toth agreed to a field sobriety test and blew
a one point thirty nine on a breathalyzer. It was
Witherspoon's actions, though, during her husband's arrest, that landed her
behind bars.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Two oh yes, and we all love Reeze.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Witherspoon. What got into her? I'd say, a couple of
glasses of wine. Take a listen, Raam, what do.
Speaker 17 (36:04):
I say you to this? I like to know what's
playing on? Are going to risk if you don't give
a US citizen I am allowed to stand on American election.
I want to ask you better not arrest an American.
End you get that car, there is beyond beyond you
(36:24):
part with me. Rapping, rapping, every nothing against a lot.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Yes, you have you there.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
Than your order.
Speaker 10 (36:41):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It brings to mind a friend of mine. He's dead now,
Robert Crispin. Randy Schappany was a rookie cop. We would
have coffee when he would show up for Grand Jewry
and I was the APD. He would tell me all
about his wife, they just gotten married, and how they
(37:03):
were starting a family, and how love he was. He
did a routine traffic stop and you hear Witherspoon complaining,
why do I have to get in the car. Why
can't I stand here and argue with you? Well, the
guy that pulled over Chapane, grabbed a gun and shot
him in the head dead. He said, license registration, and
(37:25):
that's the last thing he ever said.
Speaker 13 (37:27):
Sure, that happens a lot. And let me tell you something.
You know, the officer is just trying to control the scene.
And when people keep coming up and they're intoxicated and
they're trying to be aggressive and they're trying to they're
diverting the attention of the officer for his safety, and
he's turning his attention to the problem that just got
out of the car.
Speaker 9 (37:45):
I get it's reeth Witherspoon.
Speaker 13 (37:48):
I get your celebrity, but unfortunately, bad things happen to people,
and this is why she went to jail. Alcohol just
brings out the worst behavior in everybody. And you see
it in every single one of these celebrities. They're all intoxicated.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
That wasn't all of it. Listen to the rest.
Speaker 17 (38:08):
I'm not being arrested. And you know my name, sir, don't.
You don't need to know my name, not quite. You're
a good can find out who I am. That's why
I'm not really lying for you. But I'm told you
how things work. You want to get out, get up
to mom rest you guys. Episode, Let's try I do.
(38:29):
We'll get to what we have anlt of that called
the structure. I'm in your justice yep, really, I mean
anti American?
Speaker 14 (38:37):
Ye gods it down.
Speaker 17 (38:39):
Wow. So you've got personally at interesting.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
You know, it seems like it never ends with Reese Witherspoon.
No one was hurt.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And the case we're discussing right now, there were two
crashes on the interstate. The one victim serious serious bodily injuries,
and she is bitching out the fire people because she
doesn't want them to somehow harm.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Her four hundred dollars blouse. We wait as justice unfolds
Goodbye's wake,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
In the last hours, we learn the latest about a
star actress on the popular soap opera General Hospital. This woman,
Haley Pulos, was last spotted driving to a luxury nearly
three thousand dollars a night Malibu rehab after she plows
(00:36):
her vehicle wrong way on the interstate. Can you imagine
how fast they were going.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
All the while?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We know the head on collision was preceded by another
hit and run where the actress allegedly rammed into another person,
took off, and then plows in to this victim on
the interstate.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The dui crash seemingly has.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
No consequences because she is lounging right now at a
Malibu rehab that offers gourmet dining, hot tub yoga, horseback riding, fishing,
beach access, and off site activities during treatment.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I mean, I see, grace. This is Crime Stories.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nation and
Series XM one eleven. First of all, take to listen
to our friends at ABC and KTLA.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
General Hospital star Haley Pulos has been arrested for an
alleged ui, accused of causing a major freeway rent the
incident happened on the one thirty four in Pasadena, where
the CHP says she entered the freeway into oncoming traffic.
She collided head on with another car, destroying both vehicles.
Pulos was hospitalized where she was then arrested for DUI.
(01:57):
The driver of the other car was also hospitalized with
major injuries.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Pelisa Pulos was also involved in a hit and run
crash before the freeway accident. According to Soap Opera Digest,
the show has temporarily recast her character. She was arrested
at the hospital and faces DUI charges.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
But excuse me.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
To Jim Smith, chief investigative reporter with Dailymail dot Com,
the Soap Opera Digest no offense. Their banner, their headline
is her part has been recast. What about the victims too,
victims I believe in one day, Jim, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
And look, I think I might be able to explain why.
That's what they headlined on Nancy. And it's because when
they reached out to Haley Tulos they heard about this crash.
She just said to them, I was involved in a
car accident. I'm okay, I just need some time to recover.
She failed to mention the fact that the reason she
was involved in a crash is because she was driving drunk,
(02:59):
possibly on the influence of drugs, and had hit not
one but two cars like you mentioned.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay, I'm going to read it for Baden because it's
just so it's so incredulous.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It's hard to believe.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
She plows into not one but two victims, and correct
me if I'm wrong. I think she was going wrong way,
drunk or on drugs on the interstate and plows into
somebody just after another hit and run she hit, and
she ran and then has a head on collision. Quote
this this was soap opera digest. I hope you're sitting down.
(03:33):
Quote Unfortunately, I was involved in an automobile accident. What
She's either drunk or high on something according to prosecutors,
I mean a snoopful And this is I was involved
in an automobile accident. Somebody wrote this for her, and
I'm doing okay, but I'm going to need a little
(03:54):
time to recover in your Malibu rehabs, seriously doing yoga,
hot dug gourmet dining, horseback riding, fishing, beach access and
off site activities. What okay, wait, I will be back
as soon as possible. Exclamation. Okay, just let that sink
(04:15):
in joining me. In addition to Jen Smith, chief reporter
dailymail dot Com, the former president of Georgia Mad Mothers
Against Drunk Driving, founder director Cold Case Research Institute, and
star of a new hit podcast, Zone seven, Cheryl McCollum
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the gall.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
To say I'll be back as soon as possible.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
What Nancy, she's busy. I mean, she's got to take
some time with all the horseback ride, fish and yoga
and going to the beach. I mean, she's just not
even gonna have time to detail.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
The biggest banner is she's been recast. Jen Smith, I'm
just trying to figure out what exactly how, And first
I want to get to the wrong way on the
interstate because interstate to me means seventy five mph at best.
And how do you do a head on collision on
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the interstate. Everybody's supposed to be going the same way.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Yeah, I mean, so much of us we still don't know.
But what we do know this happened there are one
point thirty in the morning. Now, what we know, according
to the police reports so far, is that she was
driving on this freeway, she swerved, she clears the dividing
barrier and crashes into a car traveling on the opposite
direction head on at what we know so far as
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sixty miles per hour, definitely fast enough to cause some
serious damage and the driver of that car was taken
to the hospital with severe injury.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Right, did you say impact was at sixty mph?
Speaker 6 (05:50):
That's this car where the victim's car was traveling at
least sixty miles per hour when she crashed into it,
driving in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Joining me right now, Joseph Tremblay, Senior forensic engineer and
accident reconstructionist with Veritech Consulting Engineering, and you can find
him at vera techeng dot com, Vera tech Engineering dot com.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Joseph, thanks for being with us, Thanks for having me.
What do all.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Of these numbers and the speeds and going across the
median which actually may have reduced her speed somewhat.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
What do you make of this? What happened?
Speaker 8 (06:31):
Well, the way I understand it, and I'm taking some
of this directly from Daily Mail, was that she was
initially traveling westbound on Highway one thirty four and was
involved in an accident that was less severe with an
Oldsmobile driver potentially causing her to redirect in a direction
(06:52):
that would cause her to launch over the median barrier
and then become traveling in the oncoming traffic lane on
the eastbound side, and then at that point she contacted
the Kia that was driven by the twenty three year
old male. One thing I did find interesting about these
photographs that were provided by the responding emergency personnel was
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at the point of rest for both of these vehicles
was all the way over on the right side of
the road, which means that she probably was airborne and
traveling across the entire highway before she contacted this Kia.
The damage to both vehicles is severe. It appears that
(07:38):
it is a front end impact biased a little bit
towards the driver's side of both vehicles, but the damage
is significant all the way from the front bumper through
the occupant compartment. And one thing I did read on
one of these news articles is.
Speaker 9 (07:57):
That she had to be extricated with the jaws.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Well, that's exactly my thinking. In fact.
Speaker 9 (08:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Joseph Tremblay, Senior forensic engineer and accident reconstructionist. I want
you to hear what we've learned about that from our
friends at KCAL.
Speaker 10 (08:15):
She's a general hospital actor. She plays the son and
daughter of Sonny. If you've ever seen that show, that's
who she plays. And we'll show you some video here
of the crash and you can see just really how
serious this was. This was a situation on the one
thirty four in Pasadena where Haley Puyos was arrested where
she came on the wrong way of the one thirty
four hit a car, continued on and then got into
(08:36):
this head on crash. You can see here how mangled
up the cars are. Here's the actress herself. She ultimately
was arrested by the CHP after she had to be
extricated using the jaws of life by the Pasadena Police Department.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Joseph Trimblay, joining us from Veritech Engineering, explain why do
you have to use the jaws of life.
Speaker 8 (08:56):
Well in severe accidents like this one. What ends up
happening from the impact crush that occurs to the vehicle
is that a lot of times the occupant compartment that
the area where the driver sits becomes so damaged that
(09:17):
I'm sorry, the front end of the vehicle, the bumper,
and then both doors become so intermingled entangled together from
the impact that you can't get out the driver. If
they do survive a significant impact like this, a lot
of times they can't get out of the vehicle, and
that could be because they're injured or because the vehicle
(09:40):
itself is just so damaged that they can't get out.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, I can tell you this much from what I know,
Jen Smith joining us daily mail dot com. She's not
so injured that she's not at the Malibu rehab Let's
see Malibu Detox and Residential Treatment Center where she has
hot tub What all did I say? Hot tub orde dining.
You know, I'd like to have lunch there today.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
That's really good.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yoga, horseback fishing, beach access, off site activities.
Speaker 11 (10:11):
She's not hurt. She's fine.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Crime stories with Nancy Greace.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
You just heard Joseph Tremblay state that you have to
use jaws of life, which they look like giant metal
pinchers that actually cut through the metal to extricate someone
when the car is so damaged and disfigured.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
So she's not hurt, Jen Smith.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I mean, the last photo I've seen in this woman,
her dad is driving her to this luxury treatment center
after a stop at Taco Bill. She has not lost
her appetite.
Speaker 12 (11:07):
She definitely has not lost her appetite.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
And no, you're quite right, she wasn't seriously injured. Obviously,
this was hugely fortunate for her that she was not
seriously injured. But we do know a little bit about
how she behaved when she was brought out of this vehicle. Now,
these emergency personnel, they clearly are risking their own safety
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getting people out of these situations. And Nancy, when Hailey
Bulop was pulled out of her vehicle, she actually complained
to them that she was worried they were going to
tear her four hundred dollars shirt. She was cursing at
these men and women who were saving her, and she
was more worried about her clothes. She was then taken
(11:52):
to the hospital, we imagine as a precaution and to
be checked over, and that is where the investigating authorities
not that her speech was blurred, there was alcohol on
her breath, and they were able to make the determination
that she was over the limit. We're not quite sure
yet by how much. But after they searched what was
(12:14):
you know, still intact. In terms of her car, they
found a mini bossal of tequila and they found marijuana.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Edible tequila and pot. Wow, the car wasn't the only
thing airborne.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Speaking of her very bad behavior after not one but
two crashes, take a listen to Mike rogers Kekel.
Speaker 10 (12:40):
There is a TMZ report that claims that after she
was extricated, she was not terribly nice to a firefighter,
claiming that, you know, her shirt is worth four hundred dollars,
don't cut it, despite the fact that she allegedly just
caused this pretty bad crash. So the CCHP is now
investigating this whole thing again. She's been arrested for duy
and driving wrong way on her freeway.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Also a criminal charge. Okay, let me get this straight.
You know what, let me go out to you. Robert
Crispin Crispin private investigator, former Federal Task Force officer for
the DOJ, Department of Justice with DEA and the Miami
Field Division. Former homicide investigator now at Crispin Special Investigations.
(13:20):
Find him at Crispin Investigations dot com. Robert Crispin, she
cussed out see emergency tics and warning they better not
hurt her four hundred dollars blouse.
Speaker 13 (13:33):
Help me, Well, I've seen it a bunch of times, Nancy.
You know, before becoming a federal agent, you know, I
was a city cop and gosh, I've arrested so many
people for DUI. And the reason they're cutting her shorts
because they need to look at her to make sure
she doesn't have any bullet holes in her Was she
shopped before the christ They need to see if there's
any other injuries anywhere on her body. That's very typical
(13:53):
of a drunk driver to be argumentative. That's one of
the telltale signs. Argumentative, odor of alcohol, bloodshot, watery eyes, combative,
all that, that's all part of the bigger picture.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I mean, you know, Doctor Sherry Schwartz joining US forensic
psychologist specializing and capital mitigation. You can find her at
panthermitigation dot com. She's the author of Criminal Behavior and
also the author of Where Law and Psychology Intersect Issues
in Legal Psychology. On Twitter at trial dot doctor Sherry Schwartz,
(14:30):
thank you for being with us. Okay, you'd think she
would have stopped after the first crash, that hit and run,
but no, the thought of stopping and checking on that victim.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
That did not occur to her.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
She continued on to have a head on collision with
another driver and then have the wherewithal not.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
To ask about, Oh, my stars, is that guy hurt?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You damn well better not cut my four hun the
dollar blouse be I mean, that's what happened.
Speaker 14 (15:04):
Yes, And I hope it's on body cam so that
everybody can see it in court because that'll be extra special.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Well is that your medical diagnosis? That will be extra special.
Speaker 14 (15:14):
Because I really like that this is and I do mitigation,
as you know, Nancy, And these these are the kinds
of crimes that I won't touch because it's completely preventable.
And here is someone that has to be removed from
her own vehicle with the jaws of life. And I've
never seen this happen, but I imagine it takes some
(15:35):
time for that to happen. It'll just clamp that thing
down and out you come, right. I imagine it takes
some time. And during that time, why is she not thinking, oh,
oh my goodness, like, am I going to survive? Is
victim going to survive?
Speaker 5 (15:50):
You know?
Speaker 14 (15:50):
Am I going to get into trouble?
Speaker 12 (15:52):
No?
Speaker 14 (15:52):
She's worried about her four hundred dollars blouse, and she
was so aggressive according to what I read, that she
had to be sedated at the hospital because she was
even aggressive with hospital staff. And what we know, what
the psychology research shows us about this type of behavior
is that the alcohol tends to amplify trait behavior. So
(16:13):
this is somebody who likely has issues with aggression.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Jared Farantina is joining US veteran homicide prosecutor. You can
find them on Facebook and Insta Jarrett Farantina. Jarrett really
tequila and edible's pot and she's worried about her four
hundred dollars blouse and becomes abusive, cursing out the EMT's
trying to get her out of her car with the
(16:38):
jaws of life.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
Well, Nancy, it's Haley's world and we're all just living
in it. That's the attitude that I get here. She
has alcohol, marijuana, edibles. If it was truly a hit
and run too, I mean, she could have been and
the details of this haven't come out. She could have
been blacked out behind the wheels. So she got to
a point where she is so out of her mind
(17:02):
on whatever she's intoxicated on that she is not even
in touch with reality, has the hit and run Kareem's
into the oncoming lane and causes these very, very bad
injuries to this young man. So her conduct before is
a series of bad decisions. If she wasn't passed out,
(17:24):
it was a hit and run, she didn't render aid
to somebody, and she Kareems into that oncoming lane. It's
one intentional act and bad decision after another by Haley.
And then after the accident mistreats emergency personnel and was combative.
Speaker 15 (17:38):
At the hospital.
Speaker 12 (17:39):
Just a bad actress.
Speaker 9 (17:41):
All the way around.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Nancy.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Can I tell one of those amts had to say
no good day goes unpunished?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Is that Cheryl McCollum jumping in?
Speaker 13 (17:48):
Yes, Sam, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
But I just want to tell you before you say
one more word.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
As your lawyer, let me advise you that pulos is
stay at the Malibu Rehab could cost nearly thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Okay, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Alcohol makes you more of who you are, So if
you drink and want to fight everybody in the bar,
that's who you are. If you get drunk and want
to sleep with a perfect stranger. That's who you are
at your core. Alcohol does not change you. Most people
drink so they can do these things. So like when
a woman says, oh, he's good to me until he
(18:31):
starts drinking and then he beats me. No, he drinks
so he can beat you. So there's a difference when
you look at somebody that has cost thousands of dollars
worth of damage in these vehicles, cost thousands of dollars
versus worth of you know, rescue equipment and that time,
and she's worried about a four hundred dollars shirt. And
(18:52):
everybody loves firefighters. They know how to diffuse the situation.
They call you by your first name, they try to
call you down.
Speaker 13 (19:00):
They are literally.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Only there to help you, and you're going to try
to punch one of them. That's who you are.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
You know what, Cheryl McCollum, I'm looking at a photograph
we obtained from the Pasadena Fire Department. I don't know
how these people even lived. You see the airbag is
deployed that this car. These cars are mangled. Now we
know Pulos of course survived, but the other driver has
(19:31):
sustained major injuries and joining me right, now a special
guest medical examiner from the State of Florida, Doctor Tim Gallagher, Lecturer,
University of Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine, founder and host
of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher,
(19:54):
thank you for taking time out of your day at
the Medical Examiner's office to speak with us.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Why is it? Doctor Gallagher? And I know this is anecdotal.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
But I don't have a statistical study, But why is
it the drunk person always walks off, They're fine, She's
at a three thousand dollars a day Malibu rehab, horseback
riding and sitting in the hot tub.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Everybody else ends up in traction at the hospital or dead.
Speaker 12 (20:22):
There is information that supports that. And you know, typically
what alcohol does, it is a essential nervous system depressant,
meaning that it relaxes you and so it also increases
your reaction time, so it takes you longer to see
something and react to it than somebody who is sober.
(20:44):
So typically in these accidents, the person who is sober
will brace themselves right before the crash, so they'll grab
onto the steering wheel very hard. They'll strengthen their strengthen
they will straighten their arms, they will straighten their legs,
and that actually makes their bones a lot easier to break,
(21:06):
and they get injured a lot worse than somebody who
is just relaxed, does not fight the feeling and lets
the air bag come out and save them. So, you know,
the reason why I'm saying it's not exactly anecdotal is
because people who are restrained in the car and are
asleep in the car and are subject to the same
(21:27):
types of accidents have a much greater survival rate. So
the alcohol relaxes the body. You do not brace your
arms after the imp would you let go of the
steering wheel, and then the air bag will come out
and prevent you know, a lot of injuries that way.
And we also see this in race car drivers when
(21:50):
when the race car driver his car is out of
control and he knows he's going to hit the wall,
he will let go of the steering wheel, folds his
arms across his chest, and let the safety equipment that's
installed in the car do its work and there's a
lot less injuries, you know, to the driver because of
that reason. So it's the relaxation that the alcohol and
(22:12):
in this case, the marijuana brought her that actually contributed
to her not becoming as injured as she would have been.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You know, that's amazing what you just said, doctor Gallagher.
I'm trying to take it all in, so that really
is true. It's not just what I've noticed in deui homicides.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
That's real.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So the drunk person is more relaxed and somehow ends
up walking away or at least being a lot less
injured than all the other parties. Because I don't know,
if you've seen this picture of these mangled cars, what
looks like it's basically been cut in half.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
They really look awful.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I don't know how any one survived this, hey, doctor Gallagher.
Another quick question, tequila mixed with pot ediples?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
What effect would that have.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
On the defendant, the actress Haley Pulos.
Speaker 12 (23:15):
Well, you know, it depends on how much she had
with her. Now, so a six ounce how.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Much sequilla does it take? Gallagher?
Speaker 12 (23:23):
Well, also depends on the person's weight, you know, but
I would say an actress is probably underweight if I
were just hazard to guess, so I would say that
five ounces of tequila would raise her blood alcohol level
to about where she needs to be intoxicated, and then
anything above that will just add to that. As far
(23:45):
as the intoxication brought upon by the well delta nine thc,
which is the marijuana and then the alcohol, those combined
effects are often greater than the effects individually. You know.
We say typically say, you know, a two plus two
equals four, but in intoxication alcohol and marijuana two plus
(24:08):
two often equals ten. So they would be more intoxicated
having the combination, you know, than having each one individually.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You know, it was really interesting doctor doctor Gallagher is
joining me the Medical Examiner for the state of Florida,
the big push to legalize marijuana, and whether you're for
it or against it, I of course am against it,
not because I think you're going to sit on your
sofa and a big fat do be. My concern is
(24:38):
you're going to get on the road and drive, and
more vehicular homicides will occur because you're stoned.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
What do you think about that, doctor Gallagher.
Speaker 12 (24:48):
Well, it's very interesting. You should mention that, you know,
for every uh decedent or every victim that does not
survive that comes to the Medical Examiner's office as a
result of a car accident, we send the blood to
toxicology to see exactly what was in it. And you know,
marijuana has become so incredibly common in these accidents that
(25:11):
if in fact a blood sample comes back negative for marijuana,
I will call the toxicology company and ask them to
just run at one more time, you know, because nine
out of ten specimens do come back, you know, positive
for delta nine thhc, which is the active ingredient in marijuana.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And before you go back to your patients, Dot de
Gallagher answer, the same level of drug and an edible
as there would be in.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
Pot cigarette difficult to say because of all the different
recipes and there's no standardization, you know, like they would
have in pharmacological things, you know. So and also there's
different subtypes of marijuana. A lot of him have more
delta nine thc in them than another subspecies of it.
So it's just very difficult to say.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It's not like they've got a nutritional guide stuck on
the back of the edible about the calories and the
tea and the pot content. Guys, this woman, this soap
opera star, who wants us to know she'll be back
really soon from her luxury rehab. Haley pulos is by
far not the first is the name mel Gibson ring
(26:29):
a beail take listener cut.
Speaker 15 (26:30):
Nine Thursday night, mel Gibson was arrested on the Pacific
Coast Highway with a bottle of tequila in his brand
new Lexus, and he was clocked at about eighty four
miles an hour in a forty five mile an hour zone.
According to the Sheriff's Department, was arrested without incident. We're
now finding out today that he not only leveled some
(26:54):
what it can only be conceived as or perceived as
what can only be perceived as anti semitic comments to
the officer, but also some pretty harassing, sexually harassing comments
to a female officer. So there's a lot more to
this story than meets the eye.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You were hearing our friends at Extra mel Gibson ranting
anti Semitic slurs and sex slurs. But take a listen
to our friends at ABC.
Speaker 16 (27:22):
An angry rant caught on tape.
Speaker 12 (27:25):
You were evocatively dressed all the time with your fake
books you feel you have to show up and tied
out of it.
Speaker 16 (27:32):
And type pan celebrity site Radar Online reports mel Gibson
unaware he was being recorded, lashed out at his ex
girlfriend and the mother of his eight month old child,
Oxana Grigoryeva.
Speaker 10 (27:43):
I'm just truth.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
I don't like it.
Speaker 17 (27:46):
I don't want that woman. I don't want you.
Speaker 16 (27:49):
His comments allegedly get worse, turning to racial slurs, which
new reports say led to the William Morris Talent Agency
dropping Gibson. Gibson's people say the split was mutuell.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Okay, so that was a fight with his girlfriend, the
mom of his child. The original bruhaha was about comments
he made while drunk driving. Of course, he's not the
only celebrity to misbehave and explode. It wouldn't be fair
not to manage mention. Alec Baldwin with it Are cut
(28:22):
thirteen from ABC, taking.
Speaker 18 (28:29):
His public blowouts with the press to a whole new letter.
I'm trying to get into his car outside his New
York apartment on Friday with his wife and three month
old baby, The famously hot tempered actor got in the
face of a female New York TV reporter, whom his
wife says hit her in the face with a microphone
a day earlier.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You're the one that almost hit my wife with the
microphone in the face. I asked you a question. If
you want to apologize to it, I asked your question.
Speaker 18 (28:55):
Still fuming, Baldwin rings over nearby comps, demanding they take
I do want to press.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Charges against her.
Speaker 19 (29:02):
She assaulted my wife.
Speaker 18 (29:03):
The ruckus didn't stop there, as Baldwin then bangs into
another car as he tries to leave his parking spot.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
That's the tip of the iceberg right there.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
But I want to get back to driving drunk and
bad celebrity behavior when they're already driving drunk and in
Pulos's case, two crashes sending one person to the hospital
that we know of with serious, serious injuries. Take a
listen to our friend Jim ray An inside edition the
(29:38):
now infamous incident regarding Heather Locklear.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Heather, how are you doing?
Speaker 19 (29:43):
The turmoil continues for troubled actress Heather Locklear. The former
Melrose Play star, shielded her face with a hoodie today after.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Being busted yet again.
Speaker 19 (29:52):
If you have any statement to make it all, miss Locklear.
Locklear allegedly struck a cop and a paramedic who were
responding to a nine to one one all out of
her home Sunday night.
Speaker 18 (30:01):
She was extremely intoxicated, and at one point she actually
kicked a deputy, at which point she was arrested.
Speaker 19 (30:08):
Blocklear was released after posting twenty thousand dollars bail. She
said nothing as she left jail with her attorney have
no profit. She was wearing flip flops and pajamas as
she headed to a car.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
You know, Cheryl McCollum, you mentioned earlier that very often
people behave when they're drunk the way that they secretly
want to behave. Why does everybody have to get drunk
and then attack the cop or, in Pulos's case, the firefighter.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
Well, I mean, I think at that point they can't
hide who they are because they're intoxicated. So again, when
you look at this behavior, it is a pattern they
teat over and over. This isn't the first time they've
been intoxicated, this isn't the first time they've driven drunk.
And Nancy, the reality of this crime is we lose
(31:11):
thirteen thousand people a year to you know, drunk driving
crashes that are one hundred percent preventable, And even during
this episode of your show, one person will be killed
due to an alcohol related driving incident, and it's preventable
now that we have left.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
We have Uber, we have.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Taxis, we have Hey, here's an idea. Stay home. You know,
you can drink all you want, you can party and
have the time of your life. Do not get behind
the wheel of a car, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Jenn Smith joining me, Chief investigative reporter for Dailymail dot Com.
It really wouldn't be fair when we're talking about celebrities
that get drunk and have crashes, or celebrities feeding off
their own stardom that believe they can mistreat all of us,
just regular people.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Jen, take a listar cut nineteen.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Bro, why are you giving?
Speaker 13 (32:12):
I write him an American?
Speaker 20 (32:14):
You got me in my hotel regally in doing what sir?
Let's go, Joe, you really got this cuss on me heavy.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
I'll let me.
Speaker 9 (32:24):
Oh listen, can we talk me and you?
Speaker 20 (32:26):
No, we can't talk and know this.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
I'm not going America.
Speaker 20 (32:30):
Okay, my taxes get me my arms.
Speaker 14 (32:32):
So we're not gonna have a conversation.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
No, you don't put these off my arms or you beating.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
You're hearing Shia and he's not done yet. Take a
litten our friends at.
Speaker 20 (32:43):
AP you have president don't give it about you, and
you're stuck in a police force and don't give.
Speaker 9 (32:49):
Me about you.
Speaker 20 (32:50):
So you want to rest white people who get who
ask for cigarettes. I came up to you trying to be.
Speaker 13 (32:57):
Nice, you stupid.
Speaker 20 (33:01):
I came up with you asking for a cigarette. You
don't what would ask for a cigarette? If I was racing,
I was asking for a cigarette. You said no, I
said words, and then you arrested me, you dumb me.
They got cameras everywhere, you dummy. I got more millionaire
lawyers than you know what to do with you, stupid.
(33:22):
I'm from it, you dummy.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Okay, okay, Well that's the way to get you a
cop on your side, to puss him out, call him stupid,
Ja Smith, What is wrong with Shia Labus?
Speaker 6 (33:34):
I mean, this is just the classic cases. Don't you
know who I am? And it's a thing we see
constantly with celebrities Shia Labuff. Who knows what was going
on there? I mean quite clearly, that is a man
not in control of his faculties. But it's what we
see time and time again. We've heard of Shilah buf
Alex Baldwyn, mel Gid Fellow, and that's in the last
(33:57):
five minutes of this conversation. They're kinds samples.
Speaker 19 (34:01):
You know.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Is it because celebrities get to into a different stratus,
sphere of success and aderation and wealth, where they think
that they're above the law, potentially in situations like this
one involving Haley Pullos. The crime itself do UI is
tragically not a rare one. Do you as account for
(34:22):
thirty percent of all vehicle crashes in America. But the
difference here is when a celebrity is involved, they almost
seem to think that it can't possibly be their.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Fault or that somehow they it should be excused, like
in this case, the soap opera star Haley Pulos is
instead of being behind bars at a rehab a so
called rehab in Malibu, they can cost her thirty grand
(34:53):
You know. The guys you're just listening to, some of
them are technical legal term pos, these pieces of crap.
But it's always a shocker when it's somebody you think
you really like. Take a listen to our cut six
from WSB.
Speaker 21 (35:10):
It happened at this Walgreens. According to this police report,
Reese Witherspoon's husband was traveling northbound down Peatree Road when
he veered into another lane. This is where he was
pulled over. But what happened after that? Even with the
growing film scene here in Metro Atlanta, as residents around
here surprised. According to this Department of Public Safety incident report,
(35:33):
actress Reese Witherspoon was a passenger. Her husband, Jim Toth,
was the driver and suspected of duy when pulled over
twelve forty Friday morning. The report state's forty two year
old Toth agreed to a field sobriety test and blew
a one point thirty nine on a breathalyzer. It was
Witherspoon's actions, though, during her husband's arrest, that landed her
behind bars.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Two oh yes, and we all love Reeze.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Witherspoon. What got into her? I'd say, a couple of
glasses of wine. Take a listen, Raam, what do.
Speaker 17 (36:04):
I say you to this? I like to know what's
playing on? Are going to risk if you don't give
a US citizen I am allowed to stand on American election.
I want to ask you better not arrest an American.
End you get that car, there is beyond beyond you
(36:24):
part with me. Rapping, rapping, every nothing against a lot.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Yes, you have you there.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
Than your order.
Speaker 10 (36:41):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It brings to mind a friend of mine. He's dead now,
Robert Crispin. Randy Schappany was a rookie cop. We would
have coffee when he would show up for Grand Jewry
and I was the APD. He would tell me all
about his wife, they just gotten married, and how they
(37:03):
were starting a family, and how love he was. He
did a routine traffic stop and you hear Witherspoon complaining,
why do I have to get in the car. Why
can't I stand here and argue with you? Well, the
guy that pulled over Chapane, grabbed a gun and shot
him in the head dead. He said, license registration, and
(37:25):
that's the last thing he ever said.
Speaker 13 (37:27):
Sure, that happens a lot. And let me tell you something.
You know, the officer is just trying to control the scene.
And when people keep coming up and they're intoxicated and
they're trying to be aggressive and they're trying to they're
diverting the attention of the officer for his safety, and
he's turning his attention to the problem that just got
out of the car.
Speaker 9 (37:45):
I get it's reeth Witherspoon.
Speaker 13 (37:48):
I get your celebrity, but unfortunately, bad things happen to people,
and this is why she went to jail. Alcohol just
brings out the worst behavior in everybody. And you see
it in every single one of these celebrities. They're all intoxicated.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
That wasn't all of it. Listen to the rest.
Speaker 17 (38:08):
I'm not being arrested. And you know my name, sir, don't.
You don't need to know my name, not quite. You're
a good can find out who I am. That's why
I'm not really lying for you. But I'm told you
how things work. You want to get out, get up
to mom rest you guys. Episode, Let's try I do.
(38:29):
We'll get to what we have anlt of that called
the structure. I'm in your justice yep, really, I mean
anti American?
Speaker 14 (38:37):
Ye gods it down.
Speaker 17 (38:39):
Wow. So you've got personally at interesting.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
You know, it seems like it never ends with Reese Witherspoon.
No one was hurt.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And the case we're discussing right now, there were two
crashes on the interstate. The one victim serious serious bodily injuries,
and she is bitching out the fire people because she
doesn't want them to somehow harm.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Her four hundred dollars blouse. We wait as justice unfolds
Goodbye's wake,
Host
Nancy Grace
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