July 9, 2024 • 40 mins
New Orleans PD desperately searching for a missing child, Kristhal Chinchilla-Canizales, just 14. Kristhal is 5’2”, has black hair with blonde tips, and brown eyes. Last seen wearing a blue yoga jumpsuit with a black Harley pullover layered on top.
Louisiana’s Orleans Parish Department of Children and Family Services plans a day trip for foster children to a New Orleans Museum, May 22nd. Kristhal, enjoys the day out with her friends, smiling, and making silly faces for a group photo, but later, during a headcount, DCFS agents realize Kristhal is gone. No child or adult knows when Kristhal disappeared.
New Orleans PD canvass the museum’s campus and surrounding city blocks, but no sign of the teen. Investigators now say they fear Kristhal has been trafficked for sex. NOPD has not yet released information explaining the theory, but trafficking is not uncommon in the city, with 1500 new trafficking cases reported in 2023.
New Orleans PD will not confirm from which museum Kristhal disappeared, but have confirmed she was last seen in the Central Business District, a neighborhood that spans approximately 12 blocks, bordered by I-10 and the mighty Mississippi river.
Joining Nancy Today:
- Dr. John Delatorre - licensed psychologist and mediator, specializing in forensic psychology, psychological consultant to Project Absentis: a non profit organization that searches for missing persons, resolutionfcs.com, Twitter, IG, and TikTok - @drjohndelatorre
- Dawn Schiller - Training Director, LA County Project: Coalition to Abolish Slavery & Trafficking, Former trafficking victim, Lived Experience Expert Consultant: US Department of State, Office for Victims of Crime, & US Office on Trafficking in Persons //Author: "The Road Through Wonderland: Surviving John Holmes" Website: www.dawn-schiller.com www.dawn-schiller.com/shop FB dawn.schiller.9/ FB AuthorDawnSchiller/ INSTA: @dawnschiller55 X: @Dawn Schiller
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors - an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation
- John Pizzuro - Raven’s CEO, Fmr. New Jersey State Police Commander of the Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Task Force, Fmr. New Jersey State Police
- Elaine Aradillas - Senior Crime Reporter at the Messenger, Twitter: @elaineja, Instagram: @the_elaineja
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Was a little girl, just fourteen years old, sex trafficked
from a museum tour. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
New Orleans PD desperately searching for a missing child, Christal,
just fourteen. Christall is five to two, has black hair
with blonde tips and brown eyes. Last scene wearing a
blue yoga jumpsuit with a black Harley pullover layered on top.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
This little girl is just fourteen years old and she's
on a group tour with other children of a New
Orleans museum. Look at Cristal, last saying, wearing this longsleeve
shirt with a little crop over it. Cute as a button. Long,
(00:59):
dark hair, brunette with the tips honeyblonde.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Look at her.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
She's wearing that jumpsuit you see her in There is
an earlier picture before her hair grew out. Big smile,
beautiful girl. Where is Christal? And how in the hey
does she get sex trafficked? The fear of police from
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a local museum. Joining me in all star panel. But
first I'm gonna go to Lynn Shaw. Lynn is the
founder and executive director of Lynn's Warriors dedicated to ending
sex trafficking, especially of children. You know what, Lynn, Every
time I have to go to the airport, which is
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a lot more than I want, there are big signs
that say we're fighting sex trafficking, right, but hey, it's
still happening. Sex trafficking of children particular occurs in big
venues like airports, like stadiums, like museums, and it's literally
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happening right under our noses. We're right there when it happens,
but nobody understands what they're seeing.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Explain it.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
That's the beauty of it, Nancy. The predators know this.
Nobody's paying attention. For instance, one of the biggest trafficking sites,
and nobody wants to believe this. Are places like Great
Adventure or Disney World where you have a lot of families,
a lot of kids. Kids are being exchanged in the restrooms,
and also people. It's dark, it's ugly. We have to
face the reality. Most people say they don't want to
(02:42):
get involved. They're afraid of being held accountable for something,
so they just don't say anything. I can't tell you, Nancy,
how many people have said to me I saw something
last year. I should have said something, I should have
done something. So wherever there's chaos, crowds, lots of people,
you can get away with all of this. But again,
you can hang all the signs you want in bus
(03:02):
stations and I see them all over the airports as
well in train stations. But you know what, unless somebody
can also identify and understand the protocol, like we have
to teach Americans right now, these are the steps. This
is a national crisis. So many kids are just disappearing
right under our noses. As you said, we have to
all be trained in what to do if you think
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you think you see or hear something. And also you
will not be held accountable. Better to be safe than sorry,
jorning me.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
In addition to Lynn Shaw with Lynn's Warriors is Don Schiller.
Dawn is an expert in human trafficking, and I'd like
to point out is a former trafficking victim. Don Schiller,
back her up, explain what we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, I agree with Lynn on too many children. A
lot of children are going missing these days, and nobody
pays attention. We don't get the media exposure that it needs.
There are too many to be playing these stories every day.
They would be playing continuously over and over and over
again if we kept up with them in the media.
The truth is the communities need to know what to
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do and they need to be more aware.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Don Schuller joining us expert in anti trafficking and trafficking
victim herself.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Don, what happened in your case?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Well, in my case, I was a fifteen year old
neighbor in the same apartment complex as the manager, and
he also happened to be a thirty two year old
porn actor who immediately saw me and started grooming me.
And that's the process for a lot of these youth
is that you start, you get groomed. He saw that
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I wasn't being protected by my father. My father was disabled,
my father was a drug user, and so he stepped
in and kind of took the place of my dad
in a way that I built trust. And then slowly
but surely he groomed me into being his possession and
very soon after that ended up selling me over and
(05:07):
over again in multiple different ways.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
How old were you dog when this happened.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
I was fifteen years old when I met him. And
I would like to point out too that it's really
difficult for people to see a teenager fourteen, fifteen, sixteen
years old as a child still and very clearly, after
years of therapy and not blaming myself for my own
abuse and trafficking experience, I was. I finally understood that, yes,
(05:36):
I was a child. He was a thirty two year
old experienced in seduction porn star who took who could.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Have had anybody he wanted.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
But what he did was he laid his eyes on me,
a fifteen year old girl that didn't have anybody looking
out for her, and.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
That was the issue. That's how he got in.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I did not have my basic needs met by my
guardian's parent at the time, and he saw that and
he saw his way in. And this is what predators do.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
This is what exploiters do.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
They see youth who don't have anybody looking out for them,
and they step in and they replace that caring person
initially and gain the trust and the love what looks
like love to the youth, and then turn it around
and turn it into an abusive exploitive experience.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Has a New Orleans teen been sex trafficked from a
group trip to a museum. She's with an entire group
of children. How did you just disappear from a public museum?
How many of you have allowed your children to go
on a field trip I have with their school, with
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their church, with some other group of children that's being chaperoned.
I've done it plenty of times, thinking it was some
sort of enrichment for my child. Little did I know
that the child can be trafficked, sex trafficked from a
group trip, this time at a museum for Pete's sake.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
But it's not by far the.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
First time a child has been trafficked from a public venue.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Listen, this fifteen year old girl, when she was a
Mavericks basketball game with her dad, goes to the bathroom
for Dad's probably thought, you know, it's okay. It's right
up at the top.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Of the steps.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
We're already inside. There's a lot of security around here.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
She'll be fine, goes to the bathroom and never comes
back to their seats. Dad's there with his daughter. They're
there to watch a Maverick's game, supposed to be family friendly.
Just before halftime, she goes to the restroom. After ten minutes,
he's like it's a little bit too long and reports it,
and the whole second half of the game.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
He's down at security, he's.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Talking to him. You know, they're looking. They don't find her. Ultimately,
they do pull a video after the game is.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Over and they see her being led out of the
MAVs stadium by adult men. Now you were just hearing
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Tereschuk and the
teen girl's family lawyer.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
That was Zeke Fortenbury.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
This girl goes missing from a stadium full of people,
and then she's captured on surveillance video.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
And she's there at the game.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
With her father, a little father daughter bonding time, just
the two of them alone, doing something fun.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
She goes to the bathroom next to the thing. You
know she's gone. Was she beaten? Was she dragged by
her hair? Listen, So we don't know.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
What was what words were said, but she passed this
criminal in the hallway and whatever he said to her
changed her direction.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
But she then.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Ultimately left that facility with him, and we don't know
what he's threatened her. Did he entice her with some
sort of things that teenage girls would be entice by. Again,
we're talking to your old adolescent.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Girl joining me as I said an All Star panel
how do you convince a fifteen year old girl to leave?
In that case, Well, it happened, and the way she
was found is very very upsetting.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
She was, in fact being trafficked for sex. I'm going
to get to that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
In just a moment, but first I want to go
back to our case in chief. Chrystal Canal's missing. Christal
just fourteen years old, and she's.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
At a public venue.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
She's at a day trip to a local museum and
now police fearing the worst that this little girl just
five to two has been sex trafficked from a public venue.
Joining me, Elaine out Athias, senior crime investigative reporter at
the Messenger.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Elaine, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
What happened? So on May twenty s second, Christaal was
with a group field trip, which was actually she was
in the custody of Louisiana's Department of Children and Family Services.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Oh my, wait a minute, wait, whoa wa wait, head
blowing off, head blowing off? Right now, Elaine atheis are
you telling me.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
That state employees had taken.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
This child to the museum with a group of children
and under their noses are their watch? This child disappears,
This little girl disappears under the noses of defacts on
a trip to a museum.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Did you just say.
Speaker 9 (10:52):
That I did?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That's exactly correct. No wonder nobody is covering this case.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Nobody wants to say the state screwed up. They let
this girl go missing on their trip to a museum.
What parent doesn't want the child to go learn something
at a museum? But it's a defects defacts had her okay?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Go ahead, Elaine.
Speaker 9 (11:18):
So the details are scant. Obviously, police are not releasing
a lot. But they are saying that she quote left
the group, so we don't know what that means. Did
she go to the bathroom, did she try to make
a call. Did she just walk away? We don't know
(11:40):
how she left?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Aligne Do I care? Does it matter? Grip reality check.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
It doesn't matter if she went to the bathroom or
if she went to the phone.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
She is g n E gone.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
A fourteen year old little girl is lost somewhere in
New Orleans while she's on a tour of a museum.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, John Pizzorro joining me. Raven Ceo,
(12:27):
former New Jersey State Police commander of Internet Crimes against
Children and so much more.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You can find them at raven dot us.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
John, how many child six trafficking cases you have handled
is probably countless, but from a public venue, help me.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
It starts.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
It starts like this, Nancy. It's the Internet, right, so
it doesn't matter everyone has, whether they're Instagram, whether it's Snap.
Very easy for an offender to get a hold of
an individual and groom them, and a lot of people
think grooming is just a gift. It's that conversation back
and forth that trust is easy. All she has to
say is, look, I'm going to be at a museum here,
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and that's where the offender meets her. She steps out,
and then she's gone, hold your.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Horses, Bizarro.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I don't have any indication this child has been groomed.
I don't have any indication, not even a shred a
stilla of evidence, to suggest someone had been communicating with
her online.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I don't know that. I'm going to circle.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Back to that specifically as it relates to the little
girl that was trafficked out of the mav Stadium, how
she was found thanks to the Internet and people just
like you, her life was saved. In this case, I'm
talking about how many children end up being taken from
public venues like malls, like games, like football, games, like museums,
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a lot.
Speaker 10 (13:59):
You know, it's just where it's opportunity, right, So it's
very easy to get someone in that area of an
opportunity where there's tons of kids. No one notices today,
And I think that's what people don't realize. Yes, there's
posters in every airport, but are people really paying attention?
And I think that's where it's easy because people get lost,
(14:20):
They get lost in the crowd, and people aren't looking
for that, and that's where offenders are going to go.
They're going to go where there's a ton of people
and there's a lot of confusion. And I think that's
the reality.
Speaker 11 (14:31):
Louisiana's Orleans Parish Department of Children and Family Services plans
a day trip for foster children too at New Orleans
Museum May twenty second. Among the children is Christall. Christall, fourteen,
enjoys the day out with their friends, smiling and making
silly faces for a group photo, but later, during a
head count, DCFS agents realize Christall is gone. No child
(14:54):
or adult knows where Christall disappeared.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Elaine Annasitas joining us Elaine Atha's is senior crime investigative
reporter at The Messenger. Elaine, again, thank you for being
with us. Did I just hear later they did a
head count? What they just let them run a muck
and then at the end of the day they get
together and go, oh, somebody's missing. It's like what you're
missing a sock out of the dryer.
Speaker 9 (15:18):
That is actually a shocking detail, like no one notices
until they do a head count, and adults don't know,
the children don't know she was there at one point
and then just disappears into thin air.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Basically, guys, we were talking earlier about a little girl
that goes missing from a Mavericks gang that she was
attending with her father sitting side by side. She asked
to go to the bathroom, and then she never comes back.
The father raises the alarm, he can't get any help. Finally,
he wanders around the Maverick stadium until he finds a
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security office and they pull up video and ours before
they see the little girl being led out by adult
males out of the stadium.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
She's missing. Listen, the mom called me.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
Toggles on our radar for four to five hours before
we located the ads. From some of the photos in
the ads, you can match up curtains or bed sheets,
or wallpaper or the.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Photo that's on the wall. You can tell at least
what brand hotel it was.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
It's good news that she's been located and awful news
that she's on a prostitutional website. I mean, you can
your mind just can't even go to what awful things
are done to her.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
When I called Oklahoma CITYPD, the lieutenant that answered the
phone was a former advice detective who woke up the
vice lieutenant at one o'clock in the morning and they
started moving immediately.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
Those men ran.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
For twenty seven hours straight.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
They find the little girl on a prostitution website wearing
grown lady laingerie. And from that photo and this was
just hours after she was taken out of the Mavericks Stadium,
they could identify what brand hotel it is based on
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for instance, curtains.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Bedspreads, wallpaper.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
They identify the hotel based on the background, the surroundings
in that photo. Now on a prostitution website, this is
a fifteen year.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Old little girl a joining me.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
John Pizzorro RAVENCEO at Raven dot us. Former New Jersey
State Police commander of Internet Crimes against Children John explain
how this little girl just fifteen ends up on institution
website where you order up a prostitute like you're ordering
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a pizza online and they just show up at your door.
You know.
Speaker 10 (18:09):
It's the Internet, I mean, and honestly, there's so many sites.
If you look at tor the darknet, there's a place
for people to look for that, and traffickers and offenders
know how to market to those areas and that's all
it takes. We've had people purchase children from different countries
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in different places for thousands of dollars just to have
sex with eight year olds and nine year olds and
twelve year olds. So it happens more common than people
actually realize that they can. They can't fathom it now.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It's my understanding, Elaine athis that this most likely occurred
in the World War Two museum. For whatever reason, local
police are not telling us exact museum it is, but
in photos that have been released, it looks like the
World War II Museum there in New Orleans, which is amazing.
(19:09):
My children have been there. Do you have information about
which museum it is? Now?
Speaker 9 (19:14):
Police are not releasing details about this case. They're keeping
it very close.
Speaker 12 (19:20):
They know.
Speaker 9 (19:21):
All they have reported is that she left the group
while at a museum in downtown New Orleans. I agree
with you, that makes the most sense. It's a very
popular museum, and you know since you've been there, it's
in that crowded area of downtown by the Square, lots
of people, it's summertime. It makes complete sense that she
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could disappear without people noticing.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You know, I mean thinking about this museum and how
huge it is. Joining me Lynn Shaw dedicated to ending
human trafficking, specifically of children. Lynn, this is a huge facility,
and from what I'm gleaning the chaperones from defacts, we're
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probably back having a cup of coffee in the gift
shop area while the children ran them uk wherever they wished.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Nancy, I'm actually sitting here having whiplash because I keep
shaking my head.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Hearing all of this, Why can't we get more of
the facts from the police department. That's my number one question.
John Bizero is exactly right. Things start on the internet.
Why can't we hear more about her digital footprint, her phone?
We have questions because let me point out, with all
of these foster homes, family services, children's services, we know
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we work directly with survivors, over sixty percent of them
will relay when they've ended up in any of those facilities.
They are retrafficked, revictimized. So why aren't we talking about there?
So we scant details, So why aren't we asking about
this group? Supposedly she's an at risk child?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Okay? Here in New York, I see little kids.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
They've got a in nursery school, they got a leader
at the front, they got a leader at the back.
They're doing headcounts left and right, a large museum where
anybody could wander off, and they're not protecting an already
at risk child. I'm not a lawyer, Nancy, you are.
Where's the civil liability here? Because I am tired of
hearing about these stories of kids just go missing. Nobody
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just goes missing. Somewhere, someone knows something, and we need
more information because if you don't act immediately when a
child goes missing, the chances are within forty eight hours
that child is gone.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Don Siler joining me, expert in anti trafficking and a
victim of human trafficking, herself way in dawn.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
I would like to agree also that there's a lot
of questions around the digital imprint of this child. What
did that look like?
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Was she.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Previously sexually abused and or exploited by somebody? Did she
have a quote unquote boyfriend who was also her trafficker
constantly get try to get a hold of her.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Was there peer recruitment?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
This is another thing that we look at when we
look at youth who are being drawn back out over
and over again. Is that the friends that they hang
out with, they're luring them out and connecting them with
an exploiter, with a trafficker. We also don't know if
she's got you know, we know that youth is her vulnerability,
but what about any disabilities? Does she have any type
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of disabilities that would make her more vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I have a lot of questions.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
DCFS workers report Christall missing and New Orleans PD canvas
the museum's campus and surrounding city blocks, but no sign
of the little girl. Investigators now say they fear Crystall
has been trafficked for sex. NOPD has not yet released
information explaining the theory, but trafficking is not uncommon in
the city. With fifteen hundred new trafficking cases reported in three.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Not only is this a six acre campus if it
is in fact the World War II Museum in New Orleans.
We also have the issue of camps, summer camps. There
is the Bob and Dolores Hope Summer Theater camp that's happening.
There is the preparation for the victory bills Illuminate the night.
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There is a stage door Idol happening. There's the Blue
Star Museum's program where active duty service members and family members.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Can show up.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Think about all the people flooding in and out for
these camps, and.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
What about predators?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Doctor John Delatory joining me, psychologist, renowned psychologist who specializes
in forensic psychology, and you can find them at resolution
FCS dot com.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Doctor Delatory, thank you for being with us. Think about it.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
This is a pedophile's dream come true. A six acre
campus full of children at day camps. I'm sure a
predator couldn't be happier. And then you throw in that
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intangible fact or the ingredient to make them the happiest
unsupervised children that belong to Defacts Department Family Children's Services Defacts.
You think they're paying attention to these children.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
That's their day off.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
They're kickback having a coffee by the gift shop while
these children in their care are wandering around a.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Six acre facility.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
A predator, a pedophile, knows all of these camps are
happening there. You might as well throw that pedophile right
in to a pot of jam. For Pete's sake. They're
swomen in honey right now. That's what this is.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Uh, Doctor Delatrey's satellite is Dan. Let me throw that
to Lynn Shaw.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
This entire six acre campus is a pedophiles dream come true.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Nancy, and especially it's the end of the school year,
so forget where Christall even came from. You've got so
many school groups going in their camp groups, performing arts groups.
You've got all kinds of kids in this museum. So
I say to you, even that that tells us if
I know it, if you know it, at risk, at
risk wherever their kids are, So are the predators. And
(25:38):
I have to ask, don't museums usually have cameras? How
come we're not hearing anything about video footage the inside
of the museum, the outside of the museum. Because I
can't walk through a museum. I might get too close
here in New York to a display and I got
alarms going off. So I'm not understanding. Also, what about
the buddy system. You know, maybe one woman moderator brings
four girls if she indeed did say I have to
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go to the ladies room, you know, the girls room.
I have so many questions about this case. Again, it
brings me back. My mind keeps going back to this
kind of digital footprint. Did she pre plan this? Was
there somebody on the other end. Was she able just
to mix yourself into that crowd, because this is what
it seems like and just take off. Why these moderators,
these people should be held accountable. I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And I'm going to.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Reiterate again, why can't we have more details? Because the
faster we have details, the faster we even put the
public today on top of have you seen this child,
we will get answers. This is just a disgraceful case
in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You know what I'm looking at, John Bizzarro joining me,
former New Jersey State Police command or Internet Crimes against
Children Unit, John, I'm looking at the layout of the
World War Two museum. As I said, it's six acres,
but there are six huge segments of them. You've got
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the the Louisiana Memorial Pavilion, the Solomon Victory Theater, the
Campaigns of Courage, the Liberation Pavilion, the US Freedom Pavilion,
the Hall of Democracy, and the American Sector where one
of the restaurants is.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
So not only are there.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Six huge structures, they're multiple floors to each structure, to
many of the structures. So she could have gone missing
anywhere in there, been led away anywhere in there. And
lin Shaw's correct, there are two hundred and seventy surveillance
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cameras in that facility, but we're not hearing anything about
anybody checking for those camera potential photos of the girl
being led away, What exits she took, Did she just
walk out the front if by an emergency exit, did
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it not alarm It's just very difficult for me to
believe that with nearly three hundred surveillance cameras, we can't
catch this girl being led out of the museum.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Without a question.
Speaker 10 (28:15):
And two, there's technology that exists beyond the cameras. Let's
talk about facial recognition. Especially when we're looking for victims,
they should be able to do that. Forensically, there's software
that you can take and parse out all that data.
So when we talk about that digital footprint and we're
investigating that, there's a lot of data to come through,
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and that's what law enforcement, I would imagine is doing
right now. But they should be able to see what
entrance someone left, and especially because it's so vast and
there's so many access points, you have surveillance to the cameras,
there's license plate readers outside, there's a lot of different
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techniques that investigators can use that are at their disposal
to help our locate our guys.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Did I just hear Jean Pizarro state.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You'd think that police would X fill in the blanks.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
My entire legal career, fighting crime, I have relied on
police officers, sheriffs, investigators, crime lab scientists to help me
prosecute violent felonies.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
But I want you to hear this. Listen.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Many are concerned by the apparent lack of response from
police and dcfs in the case of critically missing young
girl Cristal, The fourteen year old now missing for nearly
seven weeks, with little to no media coverage and no
updates from law enforcement or DCFS. New Orleans PD has
now enlisted the help of the FBI, but DCFS has
not commented on how a teen girl disappeared while under
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their care.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Elaine Athias joining US investigative report or senior crime reporter
at the Messenger. Can you imagine that DEFECTS has a
comment on how they let a little fourteen year old
girl slip between their fingers at a public venue.
Speaker 9 (30:11):
They this is completely what I would expect. You know,
as journalists, it's our job to ask questions, and I
always found that when you know government agencies had something
to hide, they weren't really quick with answers. And so
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this is something she is literally in their care. I
agree with what was said earlier. I mean even the
most basic buddy system, you know, you do that in kindergarten.
It's like, why didn't anyone know where she was at
all times? And so it does not surprise me that
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the Department agency is not commenting.
Speaker 11 (31:03):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace, fourteen year old Christall now
missing seven weeks and no word on investigators progress, if any,
in finding Christall, who's now listed as a critically missing juvenile.
Anyone with information or who may have seen christall Is
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asked to call New Orleans PD Special Investigations Division at
five oh four six five eight five two sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
A child disappearing right under the noses of Defects. Well,
it would be the first time a child disappears or worse,
under defects supervision.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Listen, I'm.
Speaker 9 (31:47):
Out, man coming on in the house.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Yeah, there the man, the children.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I dropped off the ken. He wouldn't let me in
the door.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Come little boys in the house and.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
There's an adult man yet, get the kid and the
husband and the father. What you have?
Speaker 13 (32:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Yeah, find be doing I think.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Okay, that would be Josh Powell and his two little boys.
The little boys now dead. They were hacked in the
neck with an aunt with an axe.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
By daddy, the father.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Josh Powell already killed the mom, Susan Powell.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Nothing was done about that.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So then daddy gets supervised visit supervised by DEFECTS. Wow,
then how is it defacts manages to survive and the
two little boys are killed because Defects wasn't there.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
Listen, Okay, so you're supposed to be there to supervide
Josh Powell with the children.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, that's crack and here's the husband knitting Powell. How
did the high profile he how did he get that
to the children?
Speaker 9 (33:07):
I would want stepping back of them, walk you out.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
The two little boys are dead and they were in
the care of defects.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
But that's not all. Do you recall the name Serenity?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Serenity Dinard another child who disappears or worse in the
care of those entrusted to safeguard her, to make sure
she grows up.
Speaker 13 (33:43):
Listen, it was ten forty five am on a Sunday morning.
Serenity is in the gym at the Black Hills Children's Home,
but two staffers and three other kids. One child causes
the disturbance and a staffer attends to that child. Serenity
then ran out of the building at a let seven am.
Serenity is last seen walking near the home at twelve
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twenty six PM. A nine to one one call goes
out to the Pennington County Sheriff's Department. A deputy arrives
at twelve forty by one sixteen. The decision is made
to bring in search and rescue.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Okay, how long did that take before.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
The counselors and the state workers decided to act on
the fact that they had let the child disappear.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
This beautiful little girl's Serenity.
Speaker 12 (34:30):
Listen, there was an eighty minute delay before nine to
one one was called. And that's just inexplicable. I think
it was a matter of you know, it was a
Super Bowl Sunday. People there were well, let's let's look
for her. She had run off in the past, let's
find her on our own first. But an hour and
twenty minutes really is you know that that raises a
big question mark about the judgment of those employees. Certainly,
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not having you know, authorities trained in search and beginning
a widespread search immediately or as soon as possible was
a big mistake.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
The Black Hill's Children's Home, I'm very familiar with it now.
After Serenity Dinard disappears from the home ground she's never
been seen again. Intimately familiar with that case is Lynn Shaw,
founder and director Lynz Warriors.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I'm sure you recall the Serenity Denard case.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Lynn, Yes, because I joined you to discuss that case
on the program. I want to say something. All of
my inbox every day, my emails one after the other
of missing children, not adults, We're talking children, including babies, infants,
one after the other. I am inundated on a daily basis,
seven days a week. I think it's fair to say,
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with all of this going on, all of the discussion,
all of this mismanagement, our precious children are at risk.
I'm going to point out again I believe this is
a national crisis, and I believe all of these systems
for years, Nancy, I'm hearing this doesn't work with Theartment
of Social Services Kids Families. We don't have resources, we
don't have man woman power enough enough. In twenty twenty four,
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we need to blow up this system. Start from the
ground up, get vetted employees who are passionate about children.
And this is where moneys should be spent, because all
I'm seeing is it's escalating every single hour of every
day and there's no follow up. We do thank Goodness
for your program because you stay on it and you
follow up on these children. Because I don't see many
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other people doing anything about any of this.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
If you look at the Black Killed Children's Home website,
our mission to prevent, treat and heal trauma, This little
Serenity Gennard goes missing from the home and they wait
nearly two hours before they even call in a missing person.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
She's never been found again.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
We have talked about Josh Powell's children being murdered while
DEFACTS was supposed to be supervising them. We have talked
about Serenity Dinard missing I'm sure now dead under the
care of the Black Hills Children Home. But what about
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Harmony Montgomery.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Listen.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
February of twenty nineteen, Harmony's father, Adam Montgomery, was awarded
custody by the Juvenile Court of Massachusetts. Harmony Montgomery was
last seen by her biological mother, Crystal Story, Easter twenty nineteen.
In November twenty twenty one, Crystal Story calls police and
tells them about Harmony and how she can't find her.
Even though Harmony Montgomery had been in and out of
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foster care for most of her short life, a judge
placed her with her father, and now nobody, including DCF,
seems to know what happened to her or where she is.
Speaker 14 (37:48):
She was kidnapped and held against her will for three
hundred and ninety nine days. He starved her, he tortured her,
he assaulted her in every way that you can imagine.
He kept her in a dog cage for days and
days at a time. He treated her. The way that
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he treated her was inhuman. It is so hard for
me to even imagine the treatment that she received.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You are hearing Shauna Burns speaking out after her daughter
Haley was kidnapped and held captive and sex assaulted and starved.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
It should be a.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Warning, but apparently Defects didn't hear about that. Adjoining me
is John Pisorro. I'm very concerned John, about how this
child that we're talking about tonight, Gristal's case has gotten
a little or no coverage. We're not getting any updates
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from local police. We're also not being told even the
museum from which she disappeared. I guess that's top secret too.
I would think other parents would want to know that
that's the museum where the little girl went missing, but
we can't even get that out of the police. No.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
And I think that's part of the problem, right. So,
I think what's happening is that there's not a lot
of information and a lot of these cases, for whatever reason,
they don't garn our attention. And I think it's problematic
is because a lot of these state agencies that are
supposed to protect the children in their care do not
take the adequate steps. I know in my experience that
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we've run into that time and time and again, where
the Division of Youth and Family Services type agencies which
are supposed to watch children actually don't. And I think
that's part of the problem. And there's no information there,
and I think there is in lies.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
The problem is this little girl just to throw away.
No police updates, no information about her case.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Nothing. Christal is gone.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
That's all we know. While in the care of defects.
If you know or think you know information on this
little girl's whereabouts?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Is she dead? Is she alive?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Where is she? We haven't heard a word from her parents.
Couldn't even track them down. Do they even care? Five
zero four six ' five eight five two six seven
Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Was a little girl, just fourteen years old, sex trafficked
from a museum tour. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
New Orleans PD desperately searching for a missing child, Christal,
just fourteen. Christall is five to two, has black hair
with blonde tips and brown eyes. Last scene wearing a
blue yoga jumpsuit with a black Harley pullover layered on top.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
This little girl is just fourteen years old and she's
on a group tour with other children of a New
Orleans museum. Look at Cristal, last saying, wearing this longsleeve
shirt with a little crop over it. Cute as a button. Long,
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dark hair, brunette with the tips honeyblonde.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Look at her.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
She's wearing that jumpsuit you see her in There is
an earlier picture before her hair grew out. Big smile,
beautiful girl. Where is Christal? And how in the hey
does she get sex trafficked? The fear of police from
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a local museum. Joining me in all star panel. But
first I'm gonna go to Lynn Shaw. Lynn is the
founder and executive director of Lynn's Warriors dedicated to ending
sex trafficking, especially of children. You know what, Lynn, Every
time I have to go to the airport, which is
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a lot more than I want, there are big signs
that say we're fighting sex trafficking, right, but hey, it's
still happening. Sex trafficking of children particular occurs in big
venues like airports, like stadiums, like museums, and it's literally
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happening right under our noses. We're right there when it happens,
but nobody understands what they're seeing.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Explain it.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
That's the beauty of it, Nancy. The predators know this.
Nobody's paying attention. For instance, one of the biggest trafficking sites,
and nobody wants to believe this. Are places like Great
Adventure or Disney World where you have a lot of families,
a lot of kids. Kids are being exchanged in the restrooms,
and also people. It's dark, it's ugly. We have to
face the reality. Most people say they don't want to
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get involved. They're afraid of being held accountable for something,
so they just don't say anything. I can't tell you, Nancy,
how many people have said to me I saw something
last year. I should have said something, I should have
done something. So wherever there's chaos, crowds, lots of people,
you can get away with all of this. But again,
you can hang all the signs you want in bus
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stations and I see them all over the airports as
well in train stations. But you know what, unless somebody
can also identify and understand the protocol, like we have
to teach Americans right now, these are the steps. This
is a national crisis. So many kids are just disappearing
right under our noses. As you said, we have to
all be trained in what to do if you think
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you think you see or hear something. And also you
will not be held accountable. Better to be safe than sorry,
jorning me.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
In addition to Lynn Shaw with Lynn's Warriors is Don Schiller.
Dawn is an expert in human trafficking, and I'd like
to point out is a former trafficking victim. Don Schiller,
back her up, explain what we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, I agree with Lynn on too many children. A
lot of children are going missing these days, and nobody
pays attention. We don't get the media exposure that it needs.
There are too many to be playing these stories every day.
They would be playing continuously over and over and over
again if we kept up with them in the media.
The truth is the communities need to know what to
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do and they need to be more aware.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Don Schuller joining us expert in anti trafficking and trafficking
victim herself.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Don, what happened in your case?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Well, in my case, I was a fifteen year old
neighbor in the same apartment complex as the manager, and
he also happened to be a thirty two year old
porn actor who immediately saw me and started grooming me.
And that's the process for a lot of these youth
is that you start, you get groomed. He saw that
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I wasn't being protected by my father. My father was disabled,
my father was a drug user, and so he stepped
in and kind of took the place of my dad
in a way that I built trust. And then slowly
but surely he groomed me into being his possession and
very soon after that ended up selling me over and
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over again in multiple different ways.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
How old were you dog when this happened.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
I was fifteen years old when I met him. And
I would like to point out too that it's really
difficult for people to see a teenager fourteen, fifteen, sixteen
years old as a child still and very clearly, after
years of therapy and not blaming myself for my own
abuse and trafficking experience, I was. I finally understood that, yes,
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I was a child. He was a thirty two year
old experienced in seduction porn star who took who could.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Have had anybody he wanted.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
But what he did was he laid his eyes on me,
a fifteen year old girl that didn't have anybody looking
out for her, and.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
That was the issue. That's how he got in.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
I did not have my basic needs met by my
guardian's parent at the time, and he saw that and
he saw his way in. And this is what predators do.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
This is what exploiters do.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
They see youth who don't have anybody looking out for them,
and they step in and they replace that caring person
initially and gain the trust and the love what looks
like love to the youth, and then turn it around
and turn it into an abusive exploitive experience.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Has a New Orleans teen been sex trafficked from a
group trip to a museum. She's with an entire group
of children. How did you just disappear from a public museum?
How many of you have allowed your children to go
on a field trip I have with their school, with
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their church, with some other group of children that's being chaperoned.
I've done it plenty of times, thinking it was some
sort of enrichment for my child. Little did I know
that the child can be trafficked, sex trafficked from a
group trip, this time at a museum for Pete's sake.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
But it's not by far the.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
First time a child has been trafficked from a public venue.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Listen, this fifteen year old girl, when she was a
Mavericks basketball game with her dad, goes to the bathroom
for Dad's probably thought, you know, it's okay. It's right
up at the top.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Of the steps.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
We're already inside. There's a lot of security around here.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
She'll be fine, goes to the bathroom and never comes
back to their seats. Dad's there with his daughter. They're
there to watch a Maverick's game, supposed to be family friendly.
Just before halftime, she goes to the restroom. After ten minutes,
he's like it's a little bit too long and reports it,
and the whole second half of the game.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
He's down at security, he's.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Talking to him. You know, they're looking. They don't find her. Ultimately,
they do pull a video after the game is.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Over and they see her being led out of the
MAVs stadium by adult men. Now you were just hearing
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Tereschuk and the
teen girl's family lawyer.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
That was Zeke Fortenbury.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
This girl goes missing from a stadium full of people,
and then she's captured on surveillance video.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
And she's there at the game.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
With her father, a little father daughter bonding time, just
the two of them alone, doing something fun.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
She goes to the bathroom next to the thing. You
know she's gone. Was she beaten? Was she dragged by
her hair? Listen, So we don't know.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
What was what words were said, but she passed this
criminal in the hallway and whatever he said to her
changed her direction.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
But she then.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Ultimately left that facility with him, and we don't know
what he's threatened her. Did he entice her with some
sort of things that teenage girls would be entice by. Again,
we're talking to your old adolescent.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Girl joining me as I said an All Star panel
how do you convince a fifteen year old girl to leave?
In that case, Well, it happened, and the way she
was found is very very upsetting.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
She was, in fact being trafficked for sex. I'm going
to get to that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
In just a moment, but first I want to go
back to our case in chief. Chrystal Canal's missing. Christal
just fourteen years old, and she's.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
At a public venue.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
She's at a day trip to a local museum and
now police fearing the worst that this little girl just
five to two has been sex trafficked from a public venue.
Joining me, Elaine out Athias, senior crime investigative reporter at
the Messenger.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Elaine, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
What happened? So on May twenty s second, Christaal was
with a group field trip, which was actually she was
in the custody of Louisiana's Department of Children and Family Services.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Oh my, wait a minute, wait, whoa wa wait, head
blowing off, head blowing off? Right now, Elaine atheis are
you telling me.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
That state employees had taken.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
This child to the museum with a group of children
and under their noses are their watch? This child disappears,
This little girl disappears under the noses of defacts on
a trip to a museum.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Did you just say.
Speaker 9 (10:52):
That I did?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
That's exactly correct. No wonder nobody is covering this case.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Nobody wants to say the state screwed up. They let
this girl go missing on their trip to a museum.
What parent doesn't want the child to go learn something
at a museum? But it's a defects defacts had her okay?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Go ahead, Elaine.
Speaker 9 (11:18):
So the details are scant. Obviously, police are not releasing
a lot. But they are saying that she quote left
the group, so we don't know what that means. Did
she go to the bathroom, did she try to make
a call. Did she just walk away? We don't know
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how she left?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Aligne Do I care? Does it matter? Grip reality check.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
It doesn't matter if she went to the bathroom or
if she went to the phone.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
She is g n E gone.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
A fourteen year old little girl is lost somewhere in
New Orleans while she's on a tour of a museum.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, John Pizzorro joining me. Raven Ceo,
(12:27):
former New Jersey State Police commander of Internet Crimes against
Children and so much more.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You can find them at raven dot us.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
John, how many child six trafficking cases you have handled
is probably countless, but from a public venue, help me.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
It starts.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
It starts like this, Nancy. It's the Internet, right, so
it doesn't matter everyone has, whether they're Instagram, whether it's Snap.
Very easy for an offender to get a hold of
an individual and groom them, and a lot of people
think grooming is just a gift. It's that conversation back
and forth that trust is easy. All she has to
say is, look, I'm going to be at a museum here,
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and that's where the offender meets her. She steps out,
and then she's gone, hold your.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Horses, Bizarro.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I don't have any indication this child has been groomed.
I don't have any indication, not even a shred a
stilla of evidence, to suggest someone had been communicating with
her online.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I don't know that. I'm going to circle.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Back to that specifically as it relates to the little
girl that was trafficked out of the mav Stadium, how
she was found thanks to the Internet and people just
like you, her life was saved. In this case, I'm
talking about how many children end up being taken from
public venues like malls, like games, like football, games, like museums,
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a lot.
Speaker 10 (13:59):
You know, it's just where it's opportunity, right, So it's
very easy to get someone in that area of an
opportunity where there's tons of kids. No one notices today,
And I think that's what people don't realize. Yes, there's
posters in every airport, but are people really paying attention?
And I think that's where it's easy because people get lost,
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They get lost in the crowd, and people aren't looking
for that, and that's where offenders are going to go.
They're going to go where there's a ton of people
and there's a lot of confusion. And I think that's
the reality.
Speaker 11 (14:31):
Louisiana's Orleans Parish Department of Children and Family Services plans
a day trip for foster children too at New Orleans
Museum May twenty second. Among the children is Christall. Christall, fourteen,
enjoys the day out with their friends, smiling and making
silly faces for a group photo, but later, during a
head count, DCFS agents realize Christall is gone. No child
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or adult knows where Christall disappeared.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Elaine Annasitas joining us Elaine Atha's is senior crime investigative
reporter at The Messenger. Elaine, again, thank you for being
with us. Did I just hear later they did a
head count? What they just let them run a muck
and then at the end of the day they get
together and go, oh, somebody's missing. It's like what you're
missing a sock out of the dryer.
Speaker 9 (15:18):
That is actually a shocking detail, like no one notices
until they do a head count, and adults don't know,
the children don't know she was there at one point
and then just disappears into thin air.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Basically, guys, we were talking earlier about a little girl
that goes missing from a Mavericks gang that she was
attending with her father sitting side by side. She asked
to go to the bathroom, and then she never comes back.
The father raises the alarm, he can't get any help. Finally,
he wanders around the Maverick stadium until he finds a
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security office and they pull up video and ours before
they see the little girl being led out by adult
males out of the stadium.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
She's missing. Listen, the mom called me.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
Toggles on our radar for four to five hours before
we located the ads. From some of the photos in
the ads, you can match up curtains or bed sheets,
or wallpaper or the.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Photo that's on the wall. You can tell at least
what brand hotel it was.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
It's good news that she's been located and awful news
that she's on a prostitutional website. I mean, you can
your mind just can't even go to what awful things
are done to her.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
When I called Oklahoma CITYPD, the lieutenant that answered the
phone was a former advice detective who woke up the
vice lieutenant at one o'clock in the morning and they
started moving immediately.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
Those men ran.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
For twenty seven hours straight.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
They find the little girl on a prostitution website wearing
grown lady laingerie. And from that photo and this was
just hours after she was taken out of the Mavericks Stadium,
they could identify what brand hotel it is based on
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for instance, curtains.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Bedspreads, wallpaper.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
They identify the hotel based on the background, the surroundings
in that photo. Now on a prostitution website, this is
a fifteen year.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Old little girl a joining me.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
John Pizzorro RAVENCEO at Raven dot us. Former New Jersey
State Police commander of Internet Crimes against Children John explain
how this little girl just fifteen ends up on institution
website where you order up a prostitute like you're ordering
(18:05):
a pizza online and they just show up at your door.
You know.
Speaker 10 (18:09):
It's the Internet, I mean, and honestly, there's so many sites.
If you look at tor the darknet, there's a place
for people to look for that, and traffickers and offenders
know how to market to those areas and that's all
it takes. We've had people purchase children from different countries
(18:30):
in different places for thousands of dollars just to have
sex with eight year olds and nine year olds and
twelve year olds. So it happens more common than people
actually realize that they can. They can't fathom it now.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It's my understanding, Elaine athis that this most likely occurred
in the World War Two museum. For whatever reason, local
police are not telling us exact museum it is, but
in photos that have been released, it looks like the
World War II Museum there in New Orleans, which is amazing.
(19:09):
My children have been there. Do you have information about
which museum it is? Now?
Speaker 9 (19:14):
Police are not releasing details about this case. They're keeping
it very close.
Speaker 12 (19:20):
They know.
Speaker 9 (19:21):
All they have reported is that she left the group
while at a museum in downtown New Orleans. I agree
with you, that makes the most sense. It's a very
popular museum, and you know since you've been there, it's
in that crowded area of downtown by the Square, lots
of people, it's summertime. It makes complete sense that she
(19:44):
could disappear without people noticing.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You know, I mean thinking about this museum and how
huge it is. Joining me Lynn Shaw dedicated to ending
human trafficking, specifically of children. Lynn, this is a huge facility,
and from what I'm gleaning the chaperones from defacts, we're
(20:08):
probably back having a cup of coffee in the gift
shop area while the children ran them uk wherever they wished.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Nancy, I'm actually sitting here having whiplash because I keep
shaking my head.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Hearing all of this, Why can't we get more of
the facts from the police department. That's my number one question.
John Bizero is exactly right. Things start on the internet.
Why can't we hear more about her digital footprint, her phone?
We have questions because let me point out, with all
of these foster homes, family services, children's services, we know
(20:45):
we work directly with survivors, over sixty percent of them
will relay when they've ended up in any of those facilities.
They are retrafficked, revictimized. So why aren't we talking about there?
So we scant details, So why aren't we asking about
this group? Supposedly she's an at risk child?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Okay? Here in New York, I see little kids.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
They've got a in nursery school, they got a leader
at the front, they got a leader at the back.
They're doing headcounts left and right, a large museum where
anybody could wander off, and they're not protecting an already
at risk child. I'm not a lawyer, Nancy, you are.
Where's the civil liability here? Because I am tired of
hearing about these stories of kids just go missing. Nobody
(21:27):
just goes missing. Somewhere, someone knows something, and we need
more information because if you don't act immediately when a
child goes missing, the chances are within forty eight hours
that child is gone.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Don Siler joining me, expert in anti trafficking and a
victim of human trafficking, herself way in dawn.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
I would like to agree also that there's a lot
of questions around the digital imprint of this child. What
did that look like?
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Was she.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Previously sexually abused and or exploited by somebody? Did she
have a quote unquote boyfriend who was also her trafficker
constantly get try to get a hold of her.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Was there peer recruitment?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
This is another thing that we look at when we
look at youth who are being drawn back out over
and over again. Is that the friends that they hang
out with, they're luring them out and connecting them with
an exploiter, with a trafficker. We also don't know if
she's got you know, we know that youth is her vulnerability,
but what about any disabilities? Does she have any type
(22:32):
of disabilities that would make her more vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I have a lot of questions.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
DCFS workers report Christall missing and New Orleans PD canvas
the museum's campus and surrounding city blocks, but no sign
of the little girl. Investigators now say they fear Crystall
has been trafficked for sex. NOPD has not yet released
information explaining the theory, but trafficking is not uncommon in
the city. With fifteen hundred new trafficking cases reported in three.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Not only is this a six acre campus if it
is in fact the World War II Museum in New Orleans.
We also have the issue of camps, summer camps. There
is the Bob and Dolores Hope Summer Theater camp that's happening.
There is the preparation for the victory bills Illuminate the night.
(23:24):
There is a stage door Idol happening. There's the Blue
Star Museum's program where active duty service members and family members.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Can show up.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Think about all the people flooding in and out for
these camps, and.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
What about predators?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Doctor John Delatory joining me, psychologist, renowned psychologist who specializes
in forensic psychology, and you can find them at resolution
FCS dot com.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Doctor Delatory, thank you for being with us. Think about it.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
This is a pedophile's dream come true. A six acre
campus full of children at day camps. I'm sure a
predator couldn't be happier. And then you throw in that
(24:20):
intangible fact or the ingredient to make them the happiest
unsupervised children that belong to Defacts Department Family Children's Services Defacts.
You think they're paying attention to these children.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
That's their day off.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
They're kickback having a coffee by the gift shop while
these children in their care are wandering around a.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Six acre facility.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
A predator, a pedophile, knows all of these camps are
happening there. You might as well throw that pedophile right
in to a pot of jam. For Pete's sake. They're
swomen in honey right now. That's what this is.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Uh, Doctor Delatrey's satellite is Dan. Let me throw that
to Lynn Shaw.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
This entire six acre campus is a pedophiles dream come true.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Nancy, and especially it's the end of the school year,
so forget where Christall even came from. You've got so
many school groups going in their camp groups, performing arts groups.
You've got all kinds of kids in this museum. So
I say to you, even that that tells us if
I know it, if you know it, at risk, at
risk wherever their kids are, So are the predators. And
(25:38):
I have to ask, don't museums usually have cameras? How
come we're not hearing anything about video footage the inside
of the museum, the outside of the museum. Because I
can't walk through a museum. I might get too close
here in New York to a display and I got
alarms going off. So I'm not understanding. Also, what about
the buddy system. You know, maybe one woman moderator brings
four girls if she indeed did say I have to
(26:00):
go to the ladies room, you know, the girls room.
I have so many questions about this case. Again, it
brings me back. My mind keeps going back to this
kind of digital footprint. Did she pre plan this? Was
there somebody on the other end. Was she able just
to mix yourself into that crowd, because this is what
it seems like and just take off. Why these moderators,
these people should be held accountable. I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And I'm going to.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Reiterate again, why can't we have more details? Because the
faster we have details, the faster we even put the
public today on top of have you seen this child,
we will get answers. This is just a disgraceful case
in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You know what I'm looking at, John Bizzarro joining me,
former New Jersey State Police command or Internet Crimes against
Children Unit, John, I'm looking at the layout of the
World War Two museum. As I said, it's six acres,
but there are six huge segments of them. You've got
(26:59):
the the Louisiana Memorial Pavilion, the Solomon Victory Theater, the
Campaigns of Courage, the Liberation Pavilion, the US Freedom Pavilion,
the Hall of Democracy, and the American Sector where one
of the restaurants is.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
So not only are there.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Six huge structures, they're multiple floors to each structure, to
many of the structures. So she could have gone missing
anywhere in there, been led away anywhere in there. And
lin Shaw's correct, there are two hundred and seventy surveillance
(27:41):
cameras in that facility, but we're not hearing anything about
anybody checking for those camera potential photos of the girl
being led away, What exits she took, Did she just
walk out the front if by an emergency exit, did
(28:01):
it not alarm It's just very difficult for me to
believe that with nearly three hundred surveillance cameras, we can't
catch this girl being led out of the museum.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Without a question.
Speaker 10 (28:15):
And two, there's technology that exists beyond the cameras. Let's
talk about facial recognition. Especially when we're looking for victims,
they should be able to do that. Forensically, there's software
that you can take and parse out all that data.
So when we talk about that digital footprint and we're
investigating that, there's a lot of data to come through,
(28:36):
and that's what law enforcement, I would imagine is doing
right now. But they should be able to see what
entrance someone left, and especially because it's so vast and
there's so many access points, you have surveillance to the cameras,
there's license plate readers outside, there's a lot of different
(28:58):
techniques that investigators can use that are at their disposal
to help our locate our guys.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Did I just hear Jean Pizarro state.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
You'd think that police would X fill in the blanks.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
My entire legal career, fighting crime, I have relied on
police officers, sheriffs, investigators, crime lab scientists to help me
prosecute violent felonies.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
But I want you to hear this. Listen.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Many are concerned by the apparent lack of response from
police and dcfs in the case of critically missing young
girl Cristal, The fourteen year old now missing for nearly
seven weeks, with little to no media coverage and no
updates from law enforcement or DCFS. New Orleans PD has
now enlisted the help of the FBI, but DCFS has
not commented on how a teen girl disappeared while under
(29:56):
their care.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Elaine Athias joining US investigative report or senior crime reporter
at the Messenger. Can you imagine that DEFECTS has a
comment on how they let a little fourteen year old
girl slip between their fingers at a public venue.
Speaker 9 (30:11):
They this is completely what I would expect. You know,
as journalists, it's our job to ask questions, and I
always found that when you know government agencies had something
to hide, they weren't really quick with answers. And so
(30:31):
this is something she is literally in their care. I
agree with what was said earlier. I mean even the
most basic buddy system, you know, you do that in kindergarten.
It's like, why didn't anyone know where she was at
all times? And so it does not surprise me that
(30:53):
the Department agency is not commenting.
Speaker 11 (31:03):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace, fourteen year old Christall now
missing seven weeks and no word on investigators progress, if any,
in finding Christall, who's now listed as a critically missing juvenile.
Anyone with information or who may have seen christall Is
(31:23):
asked to call New Orleans PD Special Investigations Division at
five oh four six five eight five two sixty seven.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
A child disappearing right under the noses of Defects. Well,
it would be the first time a child disappears or worse,
under defects supervision.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Listen, I'm.
Speaker 9 (31:47):
Out, man coming on in the house.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Yeah, there the man, the children.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I dropped off the ken. He wouldn't let me in
the door.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Come little boys in the house and.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
There's an adult man yet, get the kid and the
husband and the father. What you have?
Speaker 13 (32:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Yeah, find be doing I think.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Okay, that would be Josh Powell and his two little boys.
The little boys now dead. They were hacked in the
neck with an aunt with an axe.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
By daddy, the father.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Josh Powell already killed the mom, Susan Powell.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Nothing was done about that.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So then daddy gets supervised visit supervised by DEFECTS. Wow,
then how is it defacts manages to survive and the
two little boys are killed because Defects wasn't there.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
Listen, Okay, so you're supposed to be there to supervide
Josh Powell with the children.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, that's crack and here's the husband knitting Powell. How
did the high profile he how did he get that
to the children?
Speaker 9 (33:07):
I would want stepping back of them, walk you out.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
The two little boys are dead and they were in
the care of defects.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
But that's not all. Do you recall the name Serenity?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Serenity Dinard another child who disappears or worse in the
care of those entrusted to safeguard her, to make sure
she grows up.
Speaker 13 (33:43):
Listen, it was ten forty five am on a Sunday morning.
Serenity is in the gym at the Black Hills Children's Home,
but two staffers and three other kids. One child causes
the disturbance and a staffer attends to that child. Serenity
then ran out of the building at a let seven am.
Serenity is last seen walking near the home at twelve
(34:04):
twenty six PM. A nine to one one call goes
out to the Pennington County Sheriff's Department. A deputy arrives
at twelve forty by one sixteen. The decision is made
to bring in search and rescue.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Okay, how long did that take before.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
The counselors and the state workers decided to act on
the fact that they had let the child disappear.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
This beautiful little girl's Serenity.
Speaker 12 (34:30):
Listen, there was an eighty minute delay before nine to
one one was called. And that's just inexplicable. I think
it was a matter of you know, it was a
Super Bowl Sunday. People there were well, let's let's look
for her. She had run off in the past, let's
find her on our own first. But an hour and
twenty minutes really is you know that that raises a
big question mark about the judgment of those employees. Certainly,
(34:53):
not having you know, authorities trained in search and beginning
a widespread search immediately or as soon as possible was
a big mistake.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
The Black Hill's Children's Home, I'm very familiar with it now.
After Serenity Dinard disappears from the home ground she's never
been seen again. Intimately familiar with that case is Lynn Shaw,
founder and director Lynz Warriors.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
I'm sure you recall the Serenity Denard case.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Lynn, Yes, because I joined you to discuss that case
on the program. I want to say something. All of
my inbox every day, my emails one after the other
of missing children, not adults, We're talking children, including babies, infants,
one after the other. I am inundated on a daily basis,
seven days a week. I think it's fair to say,
(35:45):
with all of this going on, all of the discussion,
all of this mismanagement, our precious children are at risk.
I'm going to point out again I believe this is
a national crisis, and I believe all of these systems
for years, Nancy, I'm hearing this doesn't work with Theartment
of Social Services Kids Families. We don't have resources, we
don't have man woman power enough enough. In twenty twenty four,
(36:08):
we need to blow up this system. Start from the
ground up, get vetted employees who are passionate about children.
And this is where moneys should be spent, because all
I'm seeing is it's escalating every single hour of every
day and there's no follow up. We do thank Goodness
for your program because you stay on it and you
follow up on these children. Because I don't see many
(36:29):
other people doing anything about any of this.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
If you look at the Black Killed Children's Home website,
our mission to prevent, treat and heal trauma, This little
Serenity Gennard goes missing from the home and they wait
nearly two hours before they even call in a missing person.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
She's never been found again.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
We have talked about Josh Powell's children being murdered while
DEFACTS was supposed to be supervising them. We have talked
about Serenity Dinard missing I'm sure now dead under the
care of the Black Hills Children Home. But what about
(37:16):
Harmony Montgomery.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Listen.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
February of twenty nineteen, Harmony's father, Adam Montgomery, was awarded
custody by the Juvenile Court of Massachusetts. Harmony Montgomery was
last seen by her biological mother, Crystal Story, Easter twenty nineteen.
In November twenty twenty one, Crystal Story calls police and
tells them about Harmony and how she can't find her.
Even though Harmony Montgomery had been in and out of
(37:38):
foster care for most of her short life, a judge
placed her with her father, and now nobody, including DCF,
seems to know what happened to her or where she is.
Speaker 14 (37:48):
She was kidnapped and held against her will for three
hundred and ninety nine days. He starved her, he tortured her,
he assaulted her in every way that you can imagine.
He kept her in a dog cage for days and
days at a time. He treated her. The way that
(38:11):
he treated her was inhuman. It is so hard for
me to even imagine the treatment that she received.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You are hearing Shauna Burns speaking out after her daughter
Haley was kidnapped and held captive and sex assaulted and starved.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
It should be a.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Warning, but apparently Defects didn't hear about that. Adjoining me
is John Pisorro. I'm very concerned John, about how this
child that we're talking about tonight, Gristal's case has gotten
a little or no coverage. We're not getting any updates
(38:53):
from local police. We're also not being told even the
museum from which she disappeared. I guess that's top secret too.
I would think other parents would want to know that
that's the museum where the little girl went missing, but
we can't even get that out of the police. No.
Speaker 10 (39:10):
And I think that's part of the problem, right. So,
I think what's happening is that there's not a lot
of information and a lot of these cases, for whatever reason,
they don't garn our attention. And I think it's problematic
is because a lot of these state agencies that are
supposed to protect the children in their care do not
take the adequate steps. I know in my experience that
(39:31):
we've run into that time and time and again, where
the Division of Youth and Family Services type agencies which
are supposed to watch children actually don't. And I think
that's part of the problem. And there's no information there,
and I think there is in lies.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
The problem is this little girl just to throw away.
No police updates, no information about her case.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Nothing. Christal is gone.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
That's all we know. While in the care of defects.
If you know or think you know information on this
little girl's whereabouts?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Is she dead? Is she alive?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Where is she? We haven't heard a word from her parents.
Couldn't even track them down. Do they even care? Five
zero four six ' five eight five two six seven
Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
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