December 7, 2023 • 42 mins
Sam Haskell is sitting in jail with no bail, accused of murdering and dismembering his wife and her parents.
Police found biological evidence at the Haskell home where the wife and in-laws lived. A law enforcement source says the biological evidence is from three different people. Police have yet to say what the nature of the biological evidence is but they have said they found blood at the house.
Former friends of Haskell are speaking out. His former trainer has shared texts from Haskell in which he says can't handle seeing chopped-up bodies in horror movies. He says the violence is too "hard" for him to enjoy.
Other friends have described Sam Haskell Jr as being "paranoid" before his arrest and the New York Post reports Haskell once pulled a machete on a childhood friend. Friends of Haskell's wife, Mei describe Haskell as being "weird" and having the "same creepy vibe" as Jeffrey Dahmer.
Haskell's former personal trainer, Troy Piedade, tells Nancy Grace that Haskell was troubled, but he never thought he would commit murder.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Troy Piedade- Samuel Haskell’s Former Personal Trainer; IG: @daderulz
- Troy Slaten – Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney, Slaten Lawyers, APC; Twitter @TroySlaten
- Dr. Jorey L. Krawczyn – Police Psychologist, Adjunct Faculty with Saint Leo University; Research Consultant with Blue Wall Institute, Author: Operation S.O.S. – Practical Recommendations to Help “Stop Officer Suicide”
- Mike McCormick – Owner and Lead Investigator of M.C.M. Investigations (Los Angeles); Former LAPD Detective for over 25 years (worked Gangs for 5 years); Facebook: MCM Investigations
- Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth) and Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School
- Miguel Melendez - Senior Writer, Entertainment Tonight Digital; Twitter & IG: @MelendezReports
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
If three dead bodies won't keep you in jail, what will? Actually, though,
here's the problem. We've only got one torso, two bodies
still missing. And as to the third body of May,
we only have a torso. Where's the rest of her?
I know that sounds harsh, but that's not my doing.
(00:37):
This is the doing of Sam Highschool, the fourth, or
is he is called in Hollywood Junior. His father is
the star, the head of an once the head of
an incredible, incredible talent agency with world wide reach. They're millionaires.
Of course, this is the Sun, the freeloading son. I'm
(01:01):
talking about Sam Haskell, But what I'm really talking about
is his wife May Haskell, aged thirty seven, Yan Shung
Wang and Ghost Shun Lee. His in laws also missing,
and who has his children? The wife's torsos in a dumpster.
(01:23):
He's charged with murder, very possibly walking out of jail
on bond. So who has the children? I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
here at Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven.
As we speak, Sam Haskell, the fourth, age thirty five,
(01:43):
can't really tell if he was holding down a job
or not, but living in an incredible spread. You know what,
let me introduce to you one of our all star panel,
Miguel Melndez, Senior writer Entertainment Tonight. You can find Miguel
at ET online. Miguel, thank you for being with us.
Have you seen this house? I mean, it's got the
(02:04):
enclosed backyard, the pool, the whole shebang were several million
dollars and an upscale enclave. There's no way Haskell the
fourth Junior could have afforded that.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, you're right, I mean this house was immaculately. He
lived in the affluent neighborhood of in Tarzana, aflow neighborhood
in a suburb of Los Angeles, and you're right. Reports
have said that the house is worth close to two
million dollars and there's no evidence to show that he
held down a job where.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
He could afford that.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
So you're right.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
This is something that was supplied to him, probably by
his father, and just does make you wonder if he
was just living waiting for his father to put the
bill on whatever it was that he needed.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You mean, waiting for his father to die so he
could get all his money.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I won't say that, but you know you said it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, I said it. Okay, guys, other than going off
on a rant about this I living in a multimillion
dollar home, let's get back on track. And that's about
three murders. And yes, I know there is no evidence
of two of the murders because we don't have the
bodies yet. But should I give him a gold star
(03:17):
and a plus for actually somehow hiding the bodies. We
know that one body, the body of his wife who
was afraid of him, may has been dismembered. So I'm
assuming that's what he did to his in laws that
lived with him. But let me, let me get us
back on track. Miguel Melandez joining us from ET Entertainment tonight. Miguel,
(03:42):
he is set to be back in court in just hours.
Is he going to ask for a bond again?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think that's the likely The likelihood of that happening
is very real. I don't think that's that the judge
will grant him bond, given that he had a bond
hearing already on November thirteen that lasted less than five minutes,
and when he was arrested. Initially it was held on
two million dollars bail, and at the hearing on November thirteenth,
the judge said he will be held without bond. I
(04:13):
can't imagine that, when he's arraigned just hours from now,
that the judge will now let him out on bail.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I just don't see that happening.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You know. I agree with you, Miguel Melendez, but you
never know how loudly money can talk.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
It is hollyweird.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, yeah, especially there in Hollywood. Guys. First of all,
we're learning more. Take a listen to our cut twenty.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Sam Haskell is sitting in jail, accused of murdering and
dismembering his wife and her parents, Yet he claims to
have a weak's stomach when it comes.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
To carnage in the movies.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
According to Instagram messages, Haskell's former personal trainer shared with
TNZ the violence in horror movies is hard for Haskell
to enjoy because he can't handle synh chopped up bodies.
In one message shared, Haskell writ's about the movie Forever Purge,
the fifth film in the Dystopian series where for twelve hours,
(05:06):
once a year, all crime is legal.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Quote.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Forever Purge was a little different fools really getting chopped
up in Mexico for real. It's hard for me Doingtoya
movie about that. I'm down with Perch two anarchy. In
Perch two anarchy, the murderers seem to have a revenge
motive for those they're plotting to kill.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Okay, you know what, I think it could have gone
all day long without knowing that. But no, it's up
here and it's never going away. A guy charged with
three murders, including dismemberment of his wife, the mother of
his children his boys, says he doesn't like violent movies
(05:48):
slice and dice, slasher movies and speaking of the personal trainer.
Joining us right now is high school's ex personal trainer,
Troy Pia Dad, Troy, thank you for being with us. Troy.
Does he have your address and phone number.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
As my phone number number? Address?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You know you can reverse that on just online and
find your address. You do know that, right?
Speaker 8 (06:14):
No?
Speaker 7 (06:15):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Surprise, because when this guy makes bond, if he makes
bond in the next couple of hours, he's heading for
Anybody's like a drowning rat on a ship. He's going
to be grabbing for anything to hold on. So think
about staying in a hotel a couple of days. Troy, Pa,
dad is Sam Haskell, aka Junior's ex personal trainer. Okay, Troy,
(06:39):
First of all, thank you for being with us. Second
of all, tell me about the text where he says
that he doesn't like the violent movies.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
Yeah, we used to, you know, since his dad was
in a business and he actually aspired to be a filmmaker.
We actually did a mock move at his house one time,
and he used to talk a lot about movies, and
he said, you know, the Crabber Prairie was a little
too much for head in the stomach because he didn't
(07:10):
like to chop the buddies, which might have what happened.
I thought it was a little ironic.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Guys, you were hearing Sam Haskell, the Force ex personal trainer.
Why may I ask, are you the ex personal trainer?
Not just because of the murders, but why did he
stop training?
Speaker 7 (07:28):
I used to trade him at a place called Bally
Total Fitness and Ntino, and they actually went out of business,
so I stopped trading him around twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Troy, I've got a lot of questions about Sam Haskell
at the time, you trained Haskell. Was he married to May?
He was, unbeknownst to me, unbeknownst to you.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
What do you mean he never really talked about his
wife or his kids. I didn't even know he had
kids until the story came out.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Wow, because I've heard that when you, Troy Pia Dad
train somebody, it's very intense and it's not a thirty
minute light jog on the treadmill. It's not just stretching.
It's a serious training workout. So in all that time,
(08:19):
he never mentioned that he was married with little boys.
Speaker 9 (08:23):
Nope.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
H He had mentioned maybe once in a while, but
more in the and that she was like a girlfriend
or he was that's out with her, but nothing serious.
And he mostly stalked to You know, we did talk
a lot about intimate things, but mostly about himself and
about his life. Never really delve into that personal area.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You know what's interesting, Troy, Troy, are you married? No?
I'm not okay if and when you're in the market,
what for somebody that doesn't talk about themselves all the time.
It's like pulling a tooth to get my husband to
talk about himself. We I have twins. They just turned sixteen. Troy,
(09:08):
they're my world. We have to basically beg David to
talk about himself. He talks about ideas, events, us, funny things.
He hardly ever talks about himself. Same here, nobody wants
to hear you drone on and on about yourself. So, Troy,
(09:32):
what would he say about himself? What about him? He's
not talking about his family, which I find very very unusual,
but he acts like he's just quote messing around with
May they're married. What would he talk about himself?
Speaker 7 (09:46):
Basically, like I said, he would talk about making movies
are exposed to do with life. He was very much
in his father's shadow.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think who whoa did he talk about that? Troy?
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Oh yeah, you talk about that a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You mean in the context of being in his father's shadow.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Yes, because he felt he never lived up to his expectations.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh boo hoo. He's got a silver spoon and fork
in his mouth and he's whining that he's in daddy's shadow.
Then get the hay up off the sofa and go
get a job. That's just a suggestion. Hey, Troy, you
told me that he You and Haskell made a mock
movie one. What is a mock movie in two What
(10:29):
was it about?
Speaker 7 (10:29):
So what we did was he had cameras and we
set them up in his backyard and myself and another
personal trainer portrayed the bad guys, I guess you would say,
and he was a good guy and it was like
he had a briefcase and we were trying to obtain
the briefcase from him. Just a little short movie that
(10:50):
he used in class I believe at Pisa, and we
filmed it in his backyard at his dad's house.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Was this his idea?
Speaker 9 (10:57):
Of course, Troy.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I mean I know that you're very well respected personal
trainer and that you just did this because high school
I asked you to. But it kind of sounds like
something my son would come up with where he and
two of his friends do a video in the backyard,
like maybe when he was nine or ten. So you're
the bad guy and you're trying to get a briefcase
and he's a good guy. Yeah, and that's a video.
(11:20):
That's a Mike movie. Okay. I'm not in the movie business.
I don't know what to make of that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
To Miguel Melndez joining us senior writer entertainment tonight and hey, Troy,
it ain't over yet. Don't move. We've all got questions
for you. Miguel Melndez. Did this guy I've gotten to
get to what's happening in court, but I'm so interested
in everything Troy Pia Dad is telling me about this guy,
Sam Haskell the Fourth aka Junior Migil Melndez. Did he
(12:04):
ever actually work? Did he make a movie? Did he
had some projects? Didn't he?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
If he's to be believed, that is what happened. I mean,
these are things that that people have reported about based
on what he himself has written on LinkedIn, on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Wait, Migil Melindez, so you can't find any credits? Nothing?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean according to him, he worked on editing certain
music videos, but none that I could find.
Speaker 9 (12:34):
Again, these are things that, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Actually are starting a sense with. According to him a
ka Sam Haskell the Fourth, the mass killer. I doesn't
believe what he.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Says because nothing else is out there to cooperate that
these things actually happened. So what we have here is
what he himself has said, and whether that's actually happened,
that's that's still up in the air.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Joining me also is Troy slight high profile criminal defense
attorney in this jurisdiction. Doctor Jory L. Crass's psychologist's former
law enforcement faculty Saint Leo University consultant. Oh my goodness
you your resume is so long, Doctor Jory, author of
Operation SS. You can find him at doctor Jory dot com.
(13:21):
His name is doctor Jory Crasin, but he lets me
call him doctor Jury. Mike McCormick, owner and lead investigator
mcm Investigations in LA and renowned medical examiner, longtime colleague.
I believe we're friends. If we're not, don't tell me.
Doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner, Terrance County. That's Fort Worth,
(13:46):
never lack of business there. Lecturer University, Texas Austin and
Texas Christian University Medical School. The reason I introduced all
of you guys right now is because we all have
questions for Troy pa Dodd, who knows Haskell and was
his personal trainer for a period of time. So, Shroy
(14:06):
p ad Att, we are hearing in the last days
that Haskell had become paranoid. Did he act paranoid to you?
Speaker 7 (14:19):
Definitely at times during his training head you think people
were persecuting him. He felt very.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Admonistery peers, right, he thought people were persecuting him.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
Yes, Nancy, I got a question this, doctor, Jordy.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (14:39):
In workout, you know they have to get, of course,
physically active and aggressive. You know, I mean, could you
describe how his aggressive nature would develop in a workout?
You know, the more energetic people get in their exercise
routines and whatever their assignment is, they start to show
a peak level of aggression.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Did you observe that in him?
Speaker 9 (15:02):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (15:02):
What Sam would do he would antagonize other members of
the club because he knew that.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
He was with me.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, I've got I'm
getting multiple messages from Jackie about a potential movie. He
may have filmed some project. What did you just say
about antagonizing other people in the gym?
Speaker 7 (15:22):
He was antagonize of a client because he knew that
no one was going to do anything while he was
with me.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
What do you mean by antagonize you mean trash talking them?
What how antagonize them?
Speaker 7 (15:32):
It was a lot of Middle We're in Tanzana, so
we have a very large Middle Eastern population. He would
make fun of the way they talked or you know,
you'd talk about he'd make racial jokes.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
In what world is that? Okay? I don't get it.
You've got minorities that are already having hard enough time
making it as it is without Sam Haskell, the fourth
millionaire bratt mocking them. What did you do?
Speaker 9 (15:58):
Well?
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Many times I had to take them and let him
know that if he was going to continue to be
I couldn't drink him.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You know, I'm so proud of you. You know why
that's good because a lot of people that were getting
money from this guy, a millionaire, well known, would have
just ignored it. Speaking of I want you all to
hear something that junior Sam Haskell the fourth posted our
number fourteen.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
Jack like my resume says unhappy, bitter, resentful. Now I'm
consistently never going to stop drinking.
Speaker 11 (16:33):
Shout out to.
Speaker 10 (16:34):
The waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums for just like
completely burning out of my filet like, what kind of
a monster are you?
Speaker 9 (16:42):
Homie?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Okay? I nearly spit up just then twice in a row.
First of all, when Troy Pia Dodd was talking about
racial jokes Haskell would make and I paid a dollar
for this and I don't want to bit up even
when to drop at my McDonald's coffee. But did I
(17:03):
just hear Jackie like my resume says unhappy, bit or resentful.
That should make anybody run for the heels, as if
they had seen a monster. I'm consistently never going to
stop drinking. Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant
above North Troms who completely burned, and he curses my
filet like, what kind of a monster are you, homie?
(17:27):
This totally entitled brat is calling somebody a homie. Miguel
Melendez help me? What is the restaurant on top of
norse trums? Don't you know this guy drove them? Absolutely insane?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I mean, just hearing what he said, it just screams
that he was utterly out of touch with with reality.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's driving me to curse and drink, neither of which
I try to avoid both studiously. But really, he burned
the I guess the f out of file like, what
kind of monster are you? Homie? Really?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I mean, it just screams to to what people have
said about him, that he gives off these creepy vies,
these Jeffrey Dahmer vibes. And meanwhile, you see him act
like this on social media. He's active on social media,
or at least he was, and it kind of just
makes your mind. It makes you scratch your head and
how you connect the person that he being described by
neighbors and former friends and how he acted on social media,
(18:26):
which which is very unbecoming for sure, Nancy Troy Slade
in here.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Wait a minute, Troy, I want you to hear something
before you jump. This may alter your opinion. I'm playing
Sam Haskell the Fourth himself. Troy, can you let's do
thirty three and thirty four, so I'll just start with
thirty three. Jack, this is him on TikTok CD.
Speaker 10 (18:50):
Is not about wellness for me, I'm trying to get retarded.
Speaker 11 (18:54):
He's one hundred, Jill.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
This is a grown man. I'm trying to get retarded.
Let's you're thirty.
Speaker 10 (19:00):
Four tah conference real quick, you guys by mistake, and
the number one thing they talked about.
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Was consistency, Like, be consistent.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
Now, I'm consistently never going to stop drinking, Troy.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I've got so many more. But you know, when you
meet people and all they talk about is how much
they're going to drink this coming weekend and how they
got well, I'm quoting face last weekend drinking. I'm not
a shrink, but that says something to me, Troy. That's
all they have to talk about.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Fancy. This is a sad attempt at humor, at satire,
at trying to be relevant, trying to get clicks, trying
to get views, trying to be trying to be relevant.
This is I think that the whole thing about the
north Strom steak, about drinking, about the way that he's
(19:54):
this is a sad attempt at humor. I don't think
that any of this is to be taken seriously. This
was obviously all tongue in cheek, and I don't think
that any prosecutor in their right mind would try and
put this in front of a jury to say that
this is what he was actually thinking, that this is
what his actual attitude towards life was.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, how about Troy Piadodd, his personal trainer? Is this him?
Is this the way he talked and act? I mean,
you've told me he made racial comments to people at
the gym, to Middle Eastern people at the gym, So
it sounds to me like that is his personality.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
No, I think Troy was actually right on point. Him
was very troubled and very insecure with himself, so he
would put out this this hor but it was all
just an act. He was just a scared little boy.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, when you say a scared little boy, maybe he
seemed like a scared little boy to you because you're
a bulked up personal trainer. What about to why May
and his in laws? The mother in law cooked for them,
she was living there because she had had a stroke.
She cleaned up and cooked for him like a servant.
(21:11):
And then the father in law. We can't find their bodies.
So while Troy Slayton goes on and on about how
it's an act and I'm hearing he's a scared little boy,
that's that's not true because according to police, he murdered
and dismembered his wife and we can't find the bodies
of his in laws. To doctor Jory Crawsen, you're the
(21:33):
shrink way in.
Speaker 9 (21:35):
Wow, there's so much here, you know. One of the
things again, looking at the behavior, you could tell you know,
Troy was good on documenting that. When he's in an
environment like around Troy, where he feels safe, you know,
he's going to kind of lash out. But you also see,
like there was a report there at a party, one
of the neighbor's reported work. You know, he would always
(21:56):
kind of withdraw, he wouldn't really engage with people. So
you know, that kind of leaves that's a schizoy type personality,
and that kind of leaves them to their own thoughts,
you know. And I'm following kind again, the behavior and
the patterns that they win follow. If he's looking at
these what I call slasher movies or these you know,
(22:17):
very violent movies, those are numinating thoughts in his mind,
and he could model that behavior. I mean, you know,
cutting up bodies like that, that's a very unusual behavior.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yes, you're right, and you know what, Okay, go ahead
and laugh, don't care. But this is what I always say.
You invite the devil comes to your door, slamm it.
If you invite him in for dinner, next thing, you know,
he's going to be spending the night, that's right, And
he's going to just move into your home and into
(22:53):
your conscience and into your heart and into your mind.
In other words, what you do someoney said the other
day we were talking about coburger Coburger, Brian Coburger, because
the state wants all of his clicks, like what he
was looking at on Amazon and everywhere, and somebody on
(23:16):
the air I can't take credit for it said the
clicks are the window to your soul something like that.
That's your personality. And I agree with that. What you
search online, what you do, how you spend your time,
that's what you love and that's who you are. And
speaking of who you are, take a list. Now we're
cut thirty five.
Speaker 11 (23:36):
So it's like a big vampire move, like pull up
an escalade outside Paul Wesley's grobe. Kids are like, Dad,
where's mom going? What's mom doing? She's just like, Oh,
she's gonna go show with Brad. She's gonna go show
with Brad Pitt for a while, maybe go to a concert.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What is he talking about? That's tragic streets. Let's take
us to thirty six more of Sam Haskell from The
Horse's Mouth.
Speaker 11 (23:59):
Talking on AirPod. It's just talking randomly with like nobody
in the other end. It just feels important, order multiple
drinks and I'll just be like, oh, yeah, they're on
their way, So.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I guess that's pretending he's having people joining him, pretending
to talk on his EarPods and ordering too many drinks,
pretending people are joining him a facade. Okay, and let's
hear thirty seven. We're all listening to Sam Haskell in
his own words.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
Do you see me typing really fast, like looking really
productive on my laptop? Just like typing typing? Chances are
I'm just typing random letters and numbers.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I don't know what all of this means. It sounds
Miguel Melinda is joining us from entertainment tonight. That everything
is about appearances. He wants to look like he has
friends joining him. He wants to look like he's having
an important conversation. He wants to look like he's typing
furiously being productive on his laptop. Instead he's typing randomness,
(25:00):
numbers and letters. But everything we're saying, he managed to
murder and dismember wife May and get rid of his
in laws bodies, according to police. Somehow he's apparently outsmart
in the police.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You know, I don't know what any of this means
and what his activity entailed on social media and how
it should be interpreted. What I do know that, well,
what I should say is I can't imagine the prosecutors
are looking at those videos and think that this is
what's going to.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
Make their case.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
What's going to make their case, according to prosecutors, is
the evidence that's already at hand, the CC footage of
him dumping what appeared to be the torso in the dumpster,
the day laborers who spoke to police and said that
they found body parts and a belly button in those
bags and that they were hired by Haskell to dispose
of these bags, and also cops entering the home the
(25:56):
next day on November seventh, and finding what they say
is blood evidence to suggest that he did the dismember
these bodies. And while those two bodies remain missing, Mayle's
parents bodies remain missing.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Coon believe that he.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Dismembered and disposed these bodies. So these are the things
that they're going to be looking at. This is the
evidence that they're going to rely on top of whatever
else is out there. I don't know that these videos
that he's posted on social media have any substance for
them to make this case.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Right now, correct me if I'm wrong, Migail. He's the
Twin Towers Correctional Facility referred to in the media as
the Twin Towers jail. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I believe you're correct.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It's the world's largest jail and also is the nation's
largest mental health facility. There's two towers, a medical services building,
and the La County Medical Center jail ward it's nearly
two million square feet. Question regarding visitation, Miguel, do we
(27:02):
know if he's had visitors?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I do not know that.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
We know that they have a very very special way
of preparing food, a cook and chill process. They have
two coal meals and one hot meal every day. They
have tons of amenities and I'm just looking at many
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of their menus. Nobody's cooking for me tonight, but we
are providing three hots and a cop for Haskell. I
want to go back to what we have found in
the home and how we're going to find the two
missing bodies, but very quickly. Miguil Melendez, what do you
expect to happen in court?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I expect that it will. He will be quickly arraigned.
My guess is he will not be let out on bond.
But like you said, this is this is Hollywood. This
is Hollywood. You know, stranger things have happened.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
We'll wait and see so very quickly, Troy Slaton, I
want to get to how we're going to find the
two dead bodies or what's left of them. We know
he dismembered one victim according to police, but in regular
people taught Troy Slaighton, what is going to happen at
the arraignment?
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Well, the arraignment is simply the fancy legal word for
hearing what the charges are against you and entering a plea.
So he's going to be advised of his constitutional rights
and he's going to enter a plea of not guilty,
and that will start the entire pre trial process, lean
up to a preliminary hearing and eventually a trial. If
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there's not a plea bargain to be had. In the
case he's charged with three murders, the bond is not
likely to be allowed, so he'll be held without bond.
This is a special circumstances murder. And although what a
very smart criminal defense attorney will bring up the corpus
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delecti rule, which means body of the crime in California
and in all other states, a rule that we brought
over from England from the sixteenth century. Is that you
can't have a confession alone. You can't have the thought
alone that somebody is missing. To prove up the crime,
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You've got to prove that a crime occurred and that
there's actual evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, I'm pretty sure this is an echo chamber because
at the beginning of our program I stated that in
our jurisprudence, common law, you can't prove the case just
on a confession. There has to be something to corroborate it.
So let's talk about that. Joining me following up on
what Troy Slayton accurately said doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner,
(29:54):
Terrence County. If in fact the parents the in laws
have been murdered, and we know that may has been murdered,
it's been proven that is for torso through DNA, what
would you expect to find in the home? I understand
there is a great deal of blood evidence in the home.
So doctor Kendall crowns, how much blood would it take
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to be found at the scene for me to be
convinced that the in laws, weighing sixty four and least
seventy one are in fact dead.
Speaker 12 (30:25):
So usually in your body you have about three to
four liters of blood circulating at any time. So if
you lose.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Could you please speak in ounces and gallons?
Speaker 12 (30:35):
A gallon a half is in your body, so if
you lose like half a gallon, it's pretty significant and
can you can go into shock and die. So if
they see a large amount of blood that would be
around a half a gallon, maybe do a gallon in
the carpet, on the floor or anywhere in the building.
So there would be significant for an individual to have
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been bled out and die.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And doctor Kendall Crowns, isn't it true? Then, no matter
how much you clean and how smart you think, you are,
very rarely if a boy, if someone has been murdered
and dismembered in a home, are you going to get
rid of all the blood?
Speaker 12 (31:13):
Yeah, that is very true. It's very difficult to clean
up the entire scene, especially when there's been a dismemberment.
People often think that they can make it go away,
but it won't feel still have blood everywhere or in
the nooks and crannies and the grouse, et cetera. It's
never completely cleaned.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Prime stories with me, it's a grace to you.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Troy Pia Dodd joining us. This is Sam Haskell for
AKA Junior's personal trainer, former personal trainer Troy. When you're
hearing us talk about how much bloods in a body,
what evidence is in the home. We can't find the
in laws, we find the wife, Mays Tors, so only
where are her legs and arms? Where's her head? Is
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it difficult for you to reconcile the person you know
is charged with these crimes.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
It's very difficult, Dancy, because not only does it you
know a doctor I said, take a certain type of
mentality to do that. I just didn't see it in himy.
I mean, I know he was disturbed. The level of
disturbed just doesn't farly. I mean, you know, I can
(32:38):
sit here and listen to say it, and I can
and demonize, but he's always going to be just you know,
like I said, he was one hundred and fifty pounds,
so can we. I mean, he wasn't a physical day.
He wasn't. That's why he came to me. That's why
he wanted to be bigger. But as a person, I
mean to me, I have no fear whatsoever Sam has
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behind him. I just can't see him doing something like this.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
But isn't that so often the way that we could
not envision it? Joining me? Mike McCormick, owner at lead
investigator mc in Investigations MCM Investigations in La former LAPD
over twenty five years. Mike McCormick, we're acting like there
(33:27):
are not two people's bodies missing. They're dead. They were
likely killed in the same home where May was killed.
Do I have to say Patrick Frazy? Patrick Frazy the
fiance from Hell who murdered his fiance Kelsey Beareth. Her
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body has never been found, but her teeth and blood
were found in her condo. Jeffrey Dahmer. Yes, somebody parts
were found, but other victims body were never found. We
think they were dismembered, ground up and disposed of. The
only thing that saved that case in those counts anyway,
(34:09):
we're polaroids and other Inndisha, the victims had been in
the home. Those bodies have never been found, Mike McCormick.
So a case can be proven without a body? Number one,
how are we going to do it? And number two?
Where do you believe I can find the bodies?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Well, they're probably in another dumpster somewhere, or we're in
another dumpster.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
That's smart because when you don't know a horse, look
at his track record. Go ahead, right, So.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
They're going to determine by the blood evidence in the
home itself who the blood all that blood belongs to.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It's not that hard. Look, it's not that hard for
these texts that they are incredible to go into a massive,
the bloody crime scene and they can differentiate. If they
collect the evidence correctly at the lad they can tell
the different DNA's in the blood, they will be able
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to find the in laws blood.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, that's that's correct. The bodies. Those bodies were probably
dumped at another location that they're not aware of. And uh,
the that I would assume that the police would have
gathered video from the from point A to point B
to see what you may have made and where else
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he might have dumped the other two bodies.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So to you, Troy Piadodd, this is Haskell's former personal trainer.
I know that you said it's hard to reconcile what
you're hearing with the guy that you knew so so
very well as your client. Troy Piadodd, tell me what
did you learn he would do when he was not training?
(36:01):
I'm curious about. Did he go for long jogs? Did
he have a place out in the country where he visited.
Was there a particular lake where he fished? I mean,
this is what I'm getting at, Troy. People often hide
bodies in a place with which they're familiar, and I
use this example, although there's so many to pick from.
Scott Peterson, what did he do with Lacy and Connor's bodies?
(36:25):
He dumped them in his fishing hole where he always
fished San Francisco Bay and that's where they turned up.
So where did this guy hang out? What did he
do all the time? Troy piaded.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
Well, basically, like you said, he had no employment. He
never worked, so he would basically drive around LA and
bring coffee and that's about it.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I'm very, very curious. Their whole relationship that he had
with May was unusual. Take a listen to their May's
friend and neighbor. This is al been and me, let's
go with friend too.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
Just from observing them, I would say that they weren't close.
They didn't have anywhere near a close, you know, a
close relationship. I would definitely not call it that. Never
seen them be affectionate with each other. They never went
on date nights. She never mentioned them going on a date.
I never observed them going out anywhere together. They didn't
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go on vacations together. So she would go on vacation
with her children and her parents, and he typically went
on solo trips I think, typically to Japan. According to Make,
some of them were work related for filming. They both,
for example, like to take walks in the neighborhood. I
never saw them take a walk together, going.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
On separate vacations, never doing anything together. And Troy Piadodd
has confirmed that by telling me and all the time
he worked with Haskell, Haskell pretended May was just a
girl who was quote messing with What does that mean?
Is that probative? Does it really prove anything? Troy Slayton,
(38:14):
high profile criminal defense attorney in LA. I don't know
that it does prove anything that I could introduce a trial,
but I want to know it anyway.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Now it seems circumstantial in it really has no probitive
value as to whether or not he is committed those
murders that he's alleged to have committed. In a court
of lag, Nancy the judge, as the gatekeeper, has to
decide what's relevant, and what's completely not relevant, like those
(38:45):
stupid TikTok videos and Instagram posts they made that really
have nothing to do with anything as to whether or
not he committed the murder of these three people.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
We don't know that until we listen to them. And
that is how you win cases, by going through every
piece of evidence, sifting through it with a fine tooth
comb until you find something primitive. Of course, everything you
just said is correct. Troy Slayton, doctor Kendall, Crown's Chief
Medical Examiner, Tarrant County. How difficult is it to dismember
(39:17):
a body? Hey, when you go to the grocery store,
do you go buy a whole chicken?
Speaker 5 (39:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You get them cut up? Why? Because it's hard to
dismember even a chicken to cook. Just go buy the
bonus thighs for Pete's sake. How hard is it to
dismember a body?
Speaker 12 (39:35):
It can be very difficult, especially if you don't go
for the joint spaces. Oh, much like dismembering a chicken.
If you go to the join spaces, it's easy to
cut the wings off, the legs off, et cetera. Shame
on a human being if you go for the joint spaces.
You can part them down into smaller parts, but if
you go for like the midshaft of the femur or
(39:56):
the leg bone, it's incredibly difficult. If you use a hack,
takes quite a while, so you have to kind of
know what you're doing or otherwise it's a very tedious,
lengthy process that a lot of people aren't successful at.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Doctor Kendall Crowns, have you ever handled an autopsy where
a body had been completely or partially dismembered?
Speaker 8 (40:16):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yes, they have.
Speaker 12 (40:17):
It comes up occasionally when individuals are dumpsters or et cetera. Yes,
we get those periodically dismembers, especially with the cartel.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
You know, I would ask more, but I don't know
that I'm ready for it. Doctor Jory Crawsen, needless to say,
it takes a certain mindset to not only commit a
murder but then dismember the body. And I think that
may be why we haven't found mister Leeg of Shawn
Lee and his wife Yang Shong Wang. I think that
(40:50):
they were dismembered. Why do I say that, Because if
you don't know what somebody's going to do, you look
at what they've already done. And I know he dismembered.
May the mindset it must have taken to dismember three
murder victims, well, he's you know.
Speaker 9 (41:08):
The mindset is crucial. But if you look at you know,
he plays roles very well, and if he assumes a
role of like you know, the movies he was watching
at the time where this took place, it could be accomplished.
The one key factor I noticed here is that it
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personalities can kind of what I call bassol fall apart.
You know, calling some handyman and paying them money to
get rid of the body just seems like, you know,
that's where his organizational thought of this memory body and
all of this, I mean his his he wasn't futuristically
thinking considering those consequences, even with him taking the body
(41:52):
part and putting in it a dumpster himself. I mean,
if the other two bodies are that well, you know,
concealed somewhere, and even if they were dismembered, there seemed
to be some kind of organational thought there that kind
of was not present with the behavior we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Well, doctor Jory Craulsin, I think you're completely correct. However,
lack of planning is not a defense.
Speaker 9 (42:16):
Lucky for me it is, I know, but psychologically we
look for that.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Okay, Yeah, Troy, Pia Dodd. If you could speak and
Haskell could hear you, what would you say to him?
Speaker 7 (42:32):
I'd ask him, you know what was what happened? I
want to know, you know what went on with him
and his life and Adnaly that was so horrible that
he had to commit to use a treasure attact.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Just think, Troy, every day you worked out with him,
you were that close to a killer and never suspected.
We wait as justice un false. Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
If three dead bodies won't keep you in jail, what will? Actually, though,
here's the problem. We've only got one torso, two bodies
still missing. And as to the third body of May,
we only have a torso. Where's the rest of her?
I know that sounds harsh, but that's not my doing.
(00:37):
This is the doing of Sam Highschool, the fourth, or
is he is called in Hollywood Junior. His father is
the star, the head of an once the head of
an incredible, incredible talent agency with world wide reach. They're millionaires.
Of course, this is the Sun, the freeloading son. I'm
(01:01):
talking about Sam Haskell, But what I'm really talking about
is his wife May Haskell, aged thirty seven, Yan Shung
Wang and Ghost Shun Lee. His in laws also missing,
and who has his children? The wife's torsos in a dumpster.
(01:23):
He's charged with murder, very possibly walking out of jail
on bond. So who has the children? I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
here at Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven.
As we speak, Sam Haskell, the fourth, age thirty five,
(01:43):
can't really tell if he was holding down a job
or not, but living in an incredible spread. You know what,
let me introduce to you one of our all star panel,
Miguel Melndez, Senior writer Entertainment Tonight. You can find Miguel
at ET online. Miguel, thank you for being with us.
Have you seen this house? I mean, it's got the
(02:04):
enclosed backyard, the pool, the whole shebang were several million
dollars and an upscale enclave. There's no way Haskell the
fourth Junior could have afforded that.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, you're right, I mean this house was immaculately. He
lived in the affluent neighborhood of in Tarzana, aflow neighborhood
in a suburb of Los Angeles, and you're right. Reports
have said that the house is worth close to two
million dollars and there's no evidence to show that he
held down a job where.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
He could afford that.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
So you're right.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
This is something that was supplied to him, probably by
his father, and just does make you wonder if he
was just living waiting for his father to put the
bill on whatever it was that he needed.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You mean, waiting for his father to die so he
could get all his money.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I won't say that, but you know you said it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, I said it. Okay, guys, other than going off
on a rant about this I living in a multimillion
dollar home, let's get back on track. And that's about
three murders. And yes, I know there is no evidence
of two of the murders because we don't have the
bodies yet. But should I give him a gold star
(03:17):
and a plus for actually somehow hiding the bodies. We
know that one body, the body of his wife who
was afraid of him, may has been dismembered. So I'm
assuming that's what he did to his in laws that
lived with him. But let me, let me get us
back on track. Miguel Melandez joining us from ET Entertainment tonight. Miguel,
(03:42):
he is set to be back in court in just hours.
Is he going to ask for a bond again?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think that's the likely The likelihood of that happening
is very real. I don't think that's that the judge
will grant him bond, given that he had a bond
hearing already on November thirteen that lasted less than five minutes,
and when he was arrested. Initially it was held on
two million dollars bail, and at the hearing on November thirteenth,
the judge said he will be held without bond. I
(04:13):
can't imagine that, when he's arraigned just hours from now,
that the judge will now let him out on bail.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I just don't see that happening.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You know. I agree with you, Miguel Melendez, but you
never know how loudly money can talk.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
It is hollyweird.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, yeah, especially there in Hollywood. Guys. First of all,
we're learning more. Take a listen to our cut twenty.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Sam Haskell is sitting in jail, accused of murdering and
dismembering his wife and her parents, Yet he claims to
have a weak's stomach when it comes.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
To carnage in the movies.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
According to Instagram messages, Haskell's former personal trainer shared with
TNZ the violence in horror movies is hard for Haskell
to enjoy because he can't handle synh chopped up bodies.
In one message shared, Haskell writ's about the movie Forever Purge,
the fifth film in the Dystopian series where for twelve hours,
(05:06):
once a year, all crime is legal.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Quote.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Forever Purge was a little different fools really getting chopped
up in Mexico for real. It's hard for me Doingtoya
movie about that. I'm down with Perch two anarchy. In
Perch two anarchy, the murderers seem to have a revenge
motive for those they're plotting to kill.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Okay, you know what, I think it could have gone
all day long without knowing that. But no, it's up
here and it's never going away. A guy charged with
three murders, including dismemberment of his wife, the mother of
his children his boys, says he doesn't like violent movies
(05:48):
slice and dice, slasher movies and speaking of the personal trainer.
Joining us right now is high school's ex personal trainer,
Troy Pia Dad, Troy, thank you for being with us. Troy.
Does he have your address and phone number.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
As my phone number number? Address?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You know you can reverse that on just online and
find your address. You do know that, right?
Speaker 8 (06:14):
No?
Speaker 7 (06:15):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Surprise, because when this guy makes bond, if he makes
bond in the next couple of hours, he's heading for
Anybody's like a drowning rat on a ship. He's going
to be grabbing for anything to hold on. So think
about staying in a hotel a couple of days. Troy, Pa,
dad is Sam Haskell, aka Junior's ex personal trainer. Okay, Troy,
(06:39):
First of all, thank you for being with us. Second
of all, tell me about the text where he says
that he doesn't like the violent movies.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
Yeah, we used to, you know, since his dad was
in a business and he actually aspired to be a filmmaker.
We actually did a mock move at his house one time,
and he used to talk a lot about movies, and
he said, you know, the Crabber Prairie was a little
too much for head in the stomach because he didn't
(07:10):
like to chop the buddies, which might have what happened.
I thought it was a little ironic.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Guys, you were hearing Sam Haskell, the Force ex personal trainer.
Why may I ask, are you the ex personal trainer?
Not just because of the murders, but why did he
stop training?
Speaker 7 (07:28):
I used to trade him at a place called Bally
Total Fitness and Ntino, and they actually went out of business,
so I stopped trading him around twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Troy, I've got a lot of questions about Sam Haskell
at the time, you trained Haskell. Was he married to May?
He was, unbeknownst to me, unbeknownst to you.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
What do you mean he never really talked about his
wife or his kids. I didn't even know he had
kids until the story came out.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Wow, because I've heard that when you, Troy Pia Dad
train somebody, it's very intense and it's not a thirty
minute light jog on the treadmill. It's not just stretching.
It's a serious training workout. So in all that time,
(08:19):
he never mentioned that he was married with little boys.
Speaker 9 (08:23):
Nope.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
H He had mentioned maybe once in a while, but
more in the and that she was like a girlfriend
or he was that's out with her, but nothing serious.
And he mostly stalked to You know, we did talk
a lot about intimate things, but mostly about himself and
about his life. Never really delve into that personal area.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You know what's interesting, Troy, Troy, are you married? No?
I'm not okay if and when you're in the market,
what for somebody that doesn't talk about themselves all the time.
It's like pulling a tooth to get my husband to
talk about himself. We I have twins. They just turned sixteen. Troy,
(09:08):
they're my world. We have to basically beg David to
talk about himself. He talks about ideas, events, us, funny things.
He hardly ever talks about himself. Same here, nobody wants
to hear you drone on and on about yourself. So, Troy,
(09:32):
what would he say about himself? What about him? He's
not talking about his family, which I find very very unusual,
but he acts like he's just quote messing around with
May they're married. What would he talk about himself?
Speaker 7 (09:46):
Basically, like I said, he would talk about making movies
are exposed to do with life. He was very much
in his father's shadow.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think who whoa did he talk about that? Troy?
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Oh yeah, you talk about that a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
You mean in the context of being in his father's shadow.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Yes, because he felt he never lived up to his expectations.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh boo hoo. He's got a silver spoon and fork
in his mouth and he's whining that he's in daddy's shadow.
Then get the hay up off the sofa and go
get a job. That's just a suggestion. Hey, Troy, you
told me that he You and Haskell made a mock
movie one. What is a mock movie in two What
(10:29):
was it about?
Speaker 7 (10:29):
So what we did was he had cameras and we
set them up in his backyard and myself and another
personal trainer portrayed the bad guys, I guess you would say,
and he was a good guy and it was like
he had a briefcase and we were trying to obtain
the briefcase from him. Just a little short movie that
(10:50):
he used in class I believe at Pisa, and we
filmed it in his backyard at his dad's house.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Was this his idea?
Speaker 9 (10:57):
Of course, Troy.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I mean I know that you're very well respected personal
trainer and that you just did this because high school
I asked you to. But it kind of sounds like
something my son would come up with where he and
two of his friends do a video in the backyard,
like maybe when he was nine or ten. So you're
the bad guy and you're trying to get a briefcase
and he's a good guy. Yeah, and that's a video.
(11:20):
That's a Mike movie. Okay. I'm not in the movie business.
I don't know what to make of that.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
To Miguel Melndez joining us senior writer entertainment tonight and hey, Troy,
it ain't over yet. Don't move. We've all got questions
for you. Miguel Melndez. Did this guy I've gotten to
get to what's happening in court, but I'm so interested
in everything Troy Pia Dad is telling me about this guy,
Sam Haskell the Fourth aka Junior Migil Melndez. Did he
(12:04):
ever actually work? Did he make a movie? Did he
had some projects? Didn't he?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
If he's to be believed, that is what happened. I mean,
these are things that that people have reported about based
on what he himself has written on LinkedIn, on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Wait, Migil Melindez, so you can't find any credits? Nothing?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean according to him, he worked on editing certain
music videos, but none that I could find.
Speaker 9 (12:34):
Again, these are things that, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Actually are starting a sense with. According to him a
ka Sam Haskell the Fourth, the mass killer. I doesn't
believe what he.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Says because nothing else is out there to cooperate that
these things actually happened. So what we have here is
what he himself has said, and whether that's actually happened,
that's that's still up in the air.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Joining me also is Troy slight high profile criminal defense
attorney in this jurisdiction. Doctor Jory L. Crass's psychologist's former
law enforcement faculty Saint Leo University consultant. Oh my goodness
you your resume is so long, Doctor Jory, author of
Operation SS. You can find him at doctor Jory dot com.
(13:21):
His name is doctor Jory Crasin, but he lets me
call him doctor Jury. Mike McCormick, owner and lead investigator
mcm Investigations in LA and renowned medical examiner, longtime colleague.
I believe we're friends. If we're not, don't tell me.
Doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner, Terrance County. That's Fort Worth,
(13:46):
never lack of business there. Lecturer University, Texas Austin and
Texas Christian University Medical School. The reason I introduced all
of you guys right now is because we all have
questions for Troy pa Dodd, who knows Haskell and was
his personal trainer for a period of time. So, Shroy
(14:06):
p ad Att, we are hearing in the last days
that Haskell had become paranoid. Did he act paranoid to you?
Speaker 7 (14:19):
Definitely at times during his training head you think people
were persecuting him. He felt very.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Admonistery peers, right, he thought people were persecuting him.
Speaker 9 (14:32):
Yes, Nancy, I got a question this, doctor, Jordy.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (14:39):
In workout, you know they have to get, of course,
physically active and aggressive. You know, I mean, could you
describe how his aggressive nature would develop in a workout?
You know, the more energetic people get in their exercise
routines and whatever their assignment is, they start to show
a peak level of aggression.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Did you observe that in him?
Speaker 9 (15:02):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (15:02):
What Sam would do he would antagonize other members of
the club because he knew that.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
He was with me.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, I've got I'm
getting multiple messages from Jackie about a potential movie. He
may have filmed some project. What did you just say
about antagonizing other people in the gym?
Speaker 7 (15:22):
He was antagonize of a client because he knew that
no one was going to do anything while he was
with me.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
What do you mean by antagonize you mean trash talking them?
What how antagonize them?
Speaker 7 (15:32):
It was a lot of Middle We're in Tanzana, so
we have a very large Middle Eastern population. He would
make fun of the way they talked or you know,
you'd talk about he'd make racial jokes.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
In what world is that? Okay? I don't get it.
You've got minorities that are already having hard enough time
making it as it is without Sam Haskell, the fourth
millionaire bratt mocking them. What did you do?
Speaker 9 (15:58):
Well?
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Many times I had to take them and let him
know that if he was going to continue to be
I couldn't drink him.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
You know, I'm so proud of you. You know why
that's good because a lot of people that were getting
money from this guy, a millionaire, well known, would have
just ignored it. Speaking of I want you all to
hear something that junior Sam Haskell the fourth posted our
number fourteen.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
Jack like my resume says unhappy, bitter, resentful. Now I'm
consistently never going to stop drinking.
Speaker 11 (16:33):
Shout out to.
Speaker 10 (16:34):
The waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums for just like
completely burning out of my filet like, what kind of
a monster are you?
Speaker 9 (16:42):
Homie?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Okay? I nearly spit up just then twice in a row.
First of all, when Troy Pia Dodd was talking about
racial jokes Haskell would make and I paid a dollar
for this and I don't want to bit up even
when to drop at my McDonald's coffee. But did I
(17:03):
just hear Jackie like my resume says unhappy, bit or resentful.
That should make anybody run for the heels, as if
they had seen a monster. I'm consistently never going to
stop drinking. Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant
above North Troms who completely burned, and he curses my
filet like, what kind of a monster are you, homie?
(17:27):
This totally entitled brat is calling somebody a homie. Miguel
Melendez help me? What is the restaurant on top of
norse trums? Don't you know this guy drove them? Absolutely insane?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I mean, just hearing what he said, it just screams
that he was utterly out of touch with with reality.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's driving me to curse and drink, neither of which
I try to avoid both studiously. But really, he burned
the I guess the f out of file like, what
kind of monster are you? Homie? Really?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I mean, it just screams to to what people have
said about him, that he gives off these creepy vies,
these Jeffrey Dahmer vibes. And meanwhile, you see him act
like this on social media. He's active on social media,
or at least he was, and it kind of just
makes your mind. It makes you scratch your head and
how you connect the person that he being described by
neighbors and former friends and how he acted on social media,
(18:26):
which which is very unbecoming for sure, Nancy Troy Slade
in here.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Wait a minute, Troy, I want you to hear something
before you jump. This may alter your opinion. I'm playing
Sam Haskell the Fourth himself. Troy, can you let's do
thirty three and thirty four, so I'll just start with
thirty three. Jack, this is him on TikTok CD.
Speaker 10 (18:50):
Is not about wellness for me, I'm trying to get retarded.
Speaker 11 (18:54):
He's one hundred, Jill.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
This is a grown man. I'm trying to get retarded.
Let's you're thirty.
Speaker 10 (19:00):
Four tah conference real quick, you guys by mistake, and
the number one thing they talked about.
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Was consistency, Like, be consistent.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
Now, I'm consistently never going to stop drinking, Troy.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I've got so many more. But you know, when you
meet people and all they talk about is how much
they're going to drink this coming weekend and how they
got well, I'm quoting face last weekend drinking. I'm not
a shrink, but that says something to me, Troy. That's
all they have to talk about.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Fancy. This is a sad attempt at humor, at satire,
at trying to be relevant, trying to get clicks, trying
to get views, trying to be trying to be relevant.
This is I think that the whole thing about the
north Strom steak, about drinking, about the way that he's
(19:54):
this is a sad attempt at humor. I don't think
that any of this is to be taken seriously. This
was obviously all tongue in cheek, and I don't think
that any prosecutor in their right mind would try and
put this in front of a jury to say that
this is what he was actually thinking, that this is
what his actual attitude towards life was.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, how about Troy Piadodd, his personal trainer? Is this him?
Is this the way he talked and act? I mean,
you've told me he made racial comments to people at
the gym, to Middle Eastern people at the gym, So
it sounds to me like that is his personality.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
No, I think Troy was actually right on point. Him
was very troubled and very insecure with himself, so he
would put out this this hor but it was all
just an act. He was just a scared little boy.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, when you say a scared little boy, maybe he
seemed like a scared little boy to you because you're
a bulked up personal trainer. What about to why May
and his in laws? The mother in law cooked for them,
she was living there because she had had a stroke.
She cleaned up and cooked for him like a servant.
(21:11):
And then the father in law. We can't find their bodies.
So while Troy Slayton goes on and on about how
it's an act and I'm hearing he's a scared little boy,
that's that's not true because according to police, he murdered
and dismembered his wife and we can't find the bodies
of his in laws. To doctor Jory Crawsen, you're the
(21:33):
shrink way in.
Speaker 9 (21:35):
Wow, there's so much here, you know. One of the
things again, looking at the behavior, you could tell you know,
Troy was good on documenting that. When he's in an
environment like around Troy, where he feels safe, you know,
he's going to kind of lash out. But you also see,
like there was a report there at a party, one
of the neighbor's reported work. You know, he would always
(21:56):
kind of withdraw, he wouldn't really engage with people. So
you know, that kind of leaves that's a schizoy type personality,
and that kind of leaves them to their own thoughts,
you know. And I'm following kind again, the behavior and
the patterns that they win follow. If he's looking at
these what I call slasher movies or these you know,
(22:17):
very violent movies, those are numinating thoughts in his mind,
and he could model that behavior. I mean, you know,
cutting up bodies like that, that's a very unusual behavior.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yes, you're right, and you know what, Okay, go ahead
and laugh, don't care. But this is what I always say.
You invite the devil comes to your door, slamm it.
If you invite him in for dinner, next thing, you know,
he's going to be spending the night, that's right, And
he's going to just move into your home and into
(22:53):
your conscience and into your heart and into your mind.
In other words, what you do someoney said the other
day we were talking about coburger Coburger, Brian Coburger, because
the state wants all of his clicks, like what he
was looking at on Amazon and everywhere, and somebody on
(23:16):
the air I can't take credit for it said the
clicks are the window to your soul something like that.
That's your personality. And I agree with that. What you
search online, what you do, how you spend your time,
that's what you love and that's who you are. And
speaking of who you are, take a list. Now we're
cut thirty five.
Speaker 11 (23:36):
So it's like a big vampire move, like pull up
an escalade outside Paul Wesley's grobe. Kids are like, Dad,
where's mom going? What's mom doing? She's just like, Oh,
she's gonna go show with Brad. She's gonna go show
with Brad Pitt for a while, maybe go to a concert.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What is he talking about? That's tragic streets. Let's take
us to thirty six more of Sam Haskell from The
Horse's Mouth.
Speaker 11 (23:59):
Talking on AirPod. It's just talking randomly with like nobody
in the other end. It just feels important, order multiple
drinks and I'll just be like, oh, yeah, they're on
their way, So.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I guess that's pretending he's having people joining him, pretending
to talk on his EarPods and ordering too many drinks,
pretending people are joining him a facade. Okay, and let's
hear thirty seven. We're all listening to Sam Haskell in
his own words.
Speaker 11 (24:29):
Do you see me typing really fast, like looking really
productive on my laptop? Just like typing typing? Chances are
I'm just typing random letters and numbers.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I don't know what all of this means. It sounds
Miguel Melinda is joining us from entertainment tonight. That everything
is about appearances. He wants to look like he has
friends joining him. He wants to look like he's having
an important conversation. He wants to look like he's typing
furiously being productive on his laptop. Instead he's typing randomness,
(25:00):
numbers and letters. But everything we're saying, he managed to
murder and dismember wife May and get rid of his
in laws bodies, according to police. Somehow he's apparently outsmart
in the police.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You know, I don't know what any of this means
and what his activity entailed on social media and how
it should be interpreted. What I do know that, well,
what I should say is I can't imagine the prosecutors
are looking at those videos and think that this is
what's going to.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
Make their case.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
What's going to make their case, according to prosecutors, is
the evidence that's already at hand, the CC footage of
him dumping what appeared to be the torso in the dumpster,
the day laborers who spoke to police and said that
they found body parts and a belly button in those
bags and that they were hired by Haskell to dispose
of these bags, and also cops entering the home the
(25:56):
next day on November seventh, and finding what they say
is blood evidence to suggest that he did the dismember
these bodies. And while those two bodies remain missing, Mayle's
parents bodies remain missing.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Coon believe that he.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Dismembered and disposed these bodies. So these are the things
that they're going to be looking at. This is the
evidence that they're going to rely on top of whatever
else is out there. I don't know that these videos
that he's posted on social media have any substance for
them to make this case.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Right now, correct me if I'm wrong, Migail. He's the
Twin Towers Correctional Facility referred to in the media as
the Twin Towers jail. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I believe you're correct.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It's the world's largest jail and also is the nation's
largest mental health facility. There's two towers, a medical services building,
and the La County Medical Center jail ward it's nearly
two million square feet. Question regarding visitation, Miguel, do we
(27:02):
know if he's had visitors?
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I do not know that.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
We know that they have a very very special way
of preparing food, a cook and chill process. They have
two coal meals and one hot meal every day. They
have tons of amenities and I'm just looking at many
(27:27):
of their menus. Nobody's cooking for me tonight, but we
are providing three hots and a cop for Haskell. I
want to go back to what we have found in
the home and how we're going to find the two
missing bodies, but very quickly. Miguil Melendez, what do you
expect to happen in court?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I expect that it will. He will be quickly arraigned.
My guess is he will not be let out on bond.
But like you said, this is this is Hollywood. This
is Hollywood. You know, stranger things have happened.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
We'll wait and see so very quickly, Troy Slaton, I
want to get to how we're going to find the
two dead bodies or what's left of them. We know
he dismembered one victim according to police, but in regular
people taught Troy Slaighton, what is going to happen at
the arraignment?
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Well, the arraignment is simply the fancy legal word for
hearing what the charges are against you and entering a plea.
So he's going to be advised of his constitutional rights
and he's going to enter a plea of not guilty,
and that will start the entire pre trial process, lean
up to a preliminary hearing and eventually a trial. If
(28:39):
there's not a plea bargain to be had. In the
case he's charged with three murders, the bond is not
likely to be allowed, so he'll be held without bond.
This is a special circumstances murder. And although what a
very smart criminal defense attorney will bring up the corpus
(29:02):
delecti rule, which means body of the crime in California
and in all other states, a rule that we brought
over from England from the sixteenth century. Is that you
can't have a confession alone. You can't have the thought
alone that somebody is missing. To prove up the crime,
(29:24):
You've got to prove that a crime occurred and that
there's actual evidence of it.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, I'm pretty sure this is an echo chamber because
at the beginning of our program I stated that in
our jurisprudence, common law, you can't prove the case just
on a confession. There has to be something to corroborate it.
So let's talk about that. Joining me following up on
what Troy Slayton accurately said doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner,
(29:54):
Terrence County. If in fact the parents the in laws
have been murdered, and we know that may has been murdered,
it's been proven that is for torso through DNA, what
would you expect to find in the home? I understand
there is a great deal of blood evidence in the home.
So doctor Kendall crowns, how much blood would it take
(30:17):
to be found at the scene for me to be
convinced that the in laws, weighing sixty four and least
seventy one are in fact dead.
Speaker 12 (30:25):
So usually in your body you have about three to
four liters of blood circulating at any time. So if
you lose.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Could you please speak in ounces and gallons?
Speaker 12 (30:35):
A gallon a half is in your body, so if
you lose like half a gallon, it's pretty significant and
can you can go into shock and die. So if
they see a large amount of blood that would be
around a half a gallon, maybe do a gallon in
the carpet, on the floor or anywhere in the building.
So there would be significant for an individual to have
(30:57):
been bled out and die.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And doctor Kendall Crowns, isn't it true? Then, no matter
how much you clean and how smart you think, you are,
very rarely if a boy, if someone has been murdered
and dismembered in a home, are you going to get
rid of all the blood?
Speaker 12 (31:13):
Yeah, that is very true. It's very difficult to clean
up the entire scene, especially when there's been a dismemberment.
People often think that they can make it go away,
but it won't feel still have blood everywhere or in
the nooks and crannies and the grouse, et cetera. It's
never completely cleaned.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Prime stories with me, it's a grace to you.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Troy Pia Dodd joining us. This is Sam Haskell for
AKA Junior's personal trainer, former personal trainer Troy. When you're
hearing us talk about how much bloods in a body,
what evidence is in the home. We can't find the
in laws, we find the wife, Mays Tors, so only
where are her legs and arms? Where's her head? Is
(32:11):
it difficult for you to reconcile the person you know
is charged with these crimes.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
It's very difficult, Dancy, because not only does it you
know a doctor I said, take a certain type of
mentality to do that. I just didn't see it in himy.
I mean, I know he was disturbed. The level of
disturbed just doesn't farly. I mean, you know, I can
(32:38):
sit here and listen to say it, and I can
and demonize, but he's always going to be just you know,
like I said, he was one hundred and fifty pounds,
so can we. I mean, he wasn't a physical day.
He wasn't. That's why he came to me. That's why
he wanted to be bigger. But as a person, I
mean to me, I have no fear whatsoever Sam has
(33:02):
behind him. I just can't see him doing something like this.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
But isn't that so often the way that we could
not envision it? Joining me? Mike McCormick, owner at lead
investigator mc in Investigations MCM Investigations in La former LAPD
over twenty five years. Mike McCormick, we're acting like there
(33:27):
are not two people's bodies missing. They're dead. They were
likely killed in the same home where May was killed.
Do I have to say Patrick Frazy? Patrick Frazy the
fiance from Hell who murdered his fiance Kelsey Beareth. Her
(33:48):
body has never been found, but her teeth and blood
were found in her condo. Jeffrey Dahmer. Yes, somebody parts
were found, but other victims body were never found. We
think they were dismembered, ground up and disposed of. The
only thing that saved that case in those counts anyway,
(34:09):
we're polaroids and other Inndisha, the victims had been in
the home. Those bodies have never been found, Mike McCormick.
So a case can be proven without a body? Number one,
how are we going to do it? And number two?
Where do you believe I can find the bodies?
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Well, they're probably in another dumpster somewhere, or we're in
another dumpster.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
That's smart because when you don't know a horse, look
at his track record. Go ahead, right, So.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
They're going to determine by the blood evidence in the
home itself who the blood all that blood belongs to.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It's not that hard. Look, it's not that hard for
these texts that they are incredible to go into a massive,
the bloody crime scene and they can differentiate. If they
collect the evidence correctly at the lad they can tell
the different DNA's in the blood, they will be able
(35:10):
to find the in laws blood.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, that's that's correct. The bodies. Those bodies were probably
dumped at another location that they're not aware of. And uh,
the that I would assume that the police would have
gathered video from the from point A to point B
to see what you may have made and where else
(35:36):
he might have dumped the other two bodies.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So to you, Troy Piadodd, this is Haskell's former personal trainer.
I know that you said it's hard to reconcile what
you're hearing with the guy that you knew so so
very well as your client. Troy Piadodd, tell me what
did you learn he would do when he was not training?
(36:01):
I'm curious about. Did he go for long jogs? Did
he have a place out in the country where he visited.
Was there a particular lake where he fished? I mean,
this is what I'm getting at, Troy. People often hide
bodies in a place with which they're familiar, and I
use this example, although there's so many to pick from.
Scott Peterson, what did he do with Lacy and Connor's bodies?
(36:25):
He dumped them in his fishing hole where he always
fished San Francisco Bay and that's where they turned up.
So where did this guy hang out? What did he
do all the time? Troy piaded.
Speaker 7 (36:36):
Well, basically, like you said, he had no employment. He
never worked, so he would basically drive around LA and
bring coffee and that's about it.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I'm very, very curious. Their whole relationship that he had
with May was unusual. Take a listen to their May's
friend and neighbor. This is al been and me, let's
go with friend too.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
Just from observing them, I would say that they weren't close.
They didn't have anywhere near a close, you know, a
close relationship. I would definitely not call it that. Never
seen them be affectionate with each other. They never went
on date nights. She never mentioned them going on a date.
I never observed them going out anywhere together. They didn't
(37:28):
go on vacations together. So she would go on vacation
with her children and her parents, and he typically went
on solo trips I think, typically to Japan. According to Make,
some of them were work related for filming. They both,
for example, like to take walks in the neighborhood. I
never saw them take a walk together, going.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
On separate vacations, never doing anything together. And Troy Piadodd
has confirmed that by telling me and all the time
he worked with Haskell, Haskell pretended May was just a
girl who was quote messing with What does that mean?
Is that probative? Does it really prove anything? Troy Slayton,
(38:14):
high profile criminal defense attorney in LA. I don't know
that it does prove anything that I could introduce a trial,
but I want to know it anyway.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Now it seems circumstantial in it really has no probitive
value as to whether or not he is committed those
murders that he's alleged to have committed. In a court
of lag, Nancy the judge, as the gatekeeper, has to
decide what's relevant, and what's completely not relevant, like those
(38:45):
stupid TikTok videos and Instagram posts they made that really
have nothing to do with anything as to whether or
not he committed the murder of these three people.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
We don't know that until we listen to them. And
that is how you win cases, by going through every
piece of evidence, sifting through it with a fine tooth
comb until you find something primitive. Of course, everything you
just said is correct. Troy Slayton, doctor Kendall, Crown's Chief
Medical Examiner, Tarrant County. How difficult is it to dismember
(39:17):
a body? Hey, when you go to the grocery store,
do you go buy a whole chicken?
Speaker 5 (39:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You get them cut up? Why? Because it's hard to
dismember even a chicken to cook. Just go buy the
bonus thighs for Pete's sake. How hard is it to
dismember a body?
Speaker 12 (39:35):
It can be very difficult, especially if you don't go
for the joint spaces. Oh, much like dismembering a chicken.
If you go to the join spaces, it's easy to
cut the wings off, the legs off, et cetera. Shame
on a human being if you go for the joint spaces.
You can part them down into smaller parts, but if
you go for like the midshaft of the femur or
(39:56):
the leg bone, it's incredibly difficult. If you use a hack,
takes quite a while, so you have to kind of
know what you're doing or otherwise it's a very tedious,
lengthy process that a lot of people aren't successful at.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Doctor Kendall Crowns, have you ever handled an autopsy where
a body had been completely or partially dismembered?
Speaker 8 (40:16):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yes, they have.
Speaker 12 (40:17):
It comes up occasionally when individuals are dumpsters or et cetera. Yes,
we get those periodically dismembers, especially with the cartel.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
You know, I would ask more, but I don't know
that I'm ready for it. Doctor Jory Crawsen, needless to say,
it takes a certain mindset to not only commit a
murder but then dismember the body. And I think that
may be why we haven't found mister Leeg of Shawn
Lee and his wife Yang Shong Wang. I think that
(40:50):
they were dismembered. Why do I say that, Because if
you don't know what somebody's going to do, you look
at what they've already done. And I know he dismembered.
May the mindset it must have taken to dismember three
murder victims, well, he's you know.
Speaker 9 (41:08):
The mindset is crucial. But if you look at you know,
he plays roles very well, and if he assumes a
role of like you know, the movies he was watching
at the time where this took place, it could be accomplished.
The one key factor I noticed here is that it
(41:29):
personalities can kind of what I call bassol fall apart.
You know, calling some handyman and paying them money to
get rid of the body just seems like, you know,
that's where his organizational thought of this memory body and
all of this, I mean his his he wasn't futuristically
thinking considering those consequences, even with him taking the body
(41:52):
part and putting in it a dumpster himself. I mean,
if the other two bodies are that well, you know,
concealed somewhere, and even if they were dismembered, there seemed
to be some kind of organational thought there that kind
of was not present with the behavior we're seeing.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Well, doctor Jory Craulsin, I think you're completely correct. However,
lack of planning is not a defense.
Speaker 9 (42:16):
Lucky for me it is, I know, but psychologically we
look for that.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Okay, Yeah, Troy, Pia Dodd. If you could speak and
Haskell could hear you, what would you say to him?
Speaker 7 (42:32):
I'd ask him, you know what was what happened? I
want to know, you know what went on with him
and his life and Adnaly that was so horrible that
he had to commit to use a treasure attact.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Just think, Troy, every day you worked out with him,
you were that close to a killer and never suspected.
We wait as justice un false. Goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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