June 21, 2025 • 42 mins
It took a jury less then 30 minutes to convict already convicted murderer Lori Vallow Daybell of conspiring to kill Brandon Boudreaux, her niece's ex-husband. This is Vallow's third criminal trial in less than three years. Vallow has already been convicted in the deaths of her children, Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow, and Tammy Daybell, her current husband, Chad Daybell’s, first wife, as well as her former husband Charles.
On the morning of July 11, Charles Vallow goes to Lori’s rental home in Chandler, Arizona, to pick up JJ for school. Alex Cox, Lori’s brother, is also there. Within an hour, Vallow is lying in a pool of blood, shot by Alex Cox. Cox claims self-defense and is not charged.
Later, in June 2021, a Maricopa County Grand Jury charged Lori Vallow with one count of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder, in the death of Charles Vallow.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
In the Last Days a bombshell in the prosecution off
cult Mom Laurie Valo. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us. That's right,
Colt Mom aka Doomsday Mom Laurie Valo. The jury just
hands down a verdict in a case where she is
charged of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
A jury, a jury in Phoenix convicts cult Mom Laurie
Valo of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband, this
marking her second murder conspiracy conviction in Arizona alone in
under two months.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Does the name.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Charles Valo ring a bell? He's one of the many
dead bodies connected to cult Mom Laurie Valo.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.
Charles Valo gunned down in cold blood at the behest
of Colt Mom Lorie Valo after she lured him to
the location.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
As a matter of fact, let me jog your memory. Listen.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
In the fight with my brother in LAWNA shot him
until the tenth.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Hey bed breathing.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I can't tell.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Are you wanting are you willing to go over to
him and check? Sure?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, there's blood, he's not moving.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
He's pretty nonchalant, like a daysical. Oh yeah, there's blood,
he's not moving, listened to more.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I turned around and he hit me in the back
of the head of the bathroom. So I went to
my room and got my gun.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Harriet, you went to your room, meaning and room you're staying.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Yeah, okay, you brought your bride a gun with you?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Do you always bring a gun?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I'll consumed carry all?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Okay, fair, Hi, who are you?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Okay? Just stand a different just a segregation.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
And then.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I thought he put the bat down, and he wouldn't.
Then he came out me and getting the wife to.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Show up his wife mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
He doesn't sound upset at all. And there is a
legal theory called cooling off period number one. I don't
believe that Laurie Vallo called man Laurie Vello's brother Alex Cox,
was ever hit with a bat.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I don't think that's true. But even so, he.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Goes into the house and comes back with a gun.
That's called a cooling off period. This turns into not
self defense but murder. Well, it's not over yet. And
remember Laurie Valo is there at the time her ex husband,
her husband, Charles Valo, is gunned down dead by her brother.
(02:57):
This is all her maneuvering. Listen, So you told him
to put the yes?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So where are you at and where are you at now?
Did you stay in your bedroom?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
No? Okay?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Why did you stay just in your bedroom?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Closed the door?
Speaker 7 (03:11):
Is that some of you did think about it or
didn't even heard of me?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Okay, so walk me through it.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So you go back in your room.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So I just went back to liver only what is
your problem with the gun?
Speaker 8 (03:20):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I said, I want you to put that back down,
and he wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He's like you.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
And he came at meat with the bat again after
you're already hitting out the head.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So nice I him to stop him.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, I don't believe that for one minute, standing by
egging the whole murder on Colt Mom, Lorie Valo. Guys, again,
thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
with me an all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now. But first to the news
director of the East Idaho News dot Com, who has
been about three inches of Colet Mom's Lori Valo's tailpipe
(03:53):
since the get go.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Before her children were ever found.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
He smelled a rat chaser all the way to and
back in an effort to find JJ in Tylely. Now
we're onto another murder. Nate eaton joining us. Nate, thank
you for being with us. What happened to Charles Valow?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Charles Vallo went over to pick up his son JJ
to take him to school. It was July of twenty nineteen,
and when he went in the house, the account was
that he got into some sort of argument with Alex Cox.
Laurie's brother, Tylee was there. JJ was there, Laurie was there.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh, Dawn.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
All the other witnesses are dead. Alex Cox is dead.
JJ is dead. God rest his soul. Tyley is dead,
God rest her soul. The only person left to tell
the story is colet Mom.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Laurie Vallee. You think I'm taking her word for anything?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
She told me this guy was blue, I'd say, no,
it's absolutely red.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Go ahead, right, So that's when Alex Cox says that Charles,
as you mentioned, came after with a Now, remember Nancy,
Charles was an athlete, Charles played baseball. He's not going
to swing and miss when you hit someone in the
head with a bat. And that's when Alex said, in
self defense, he had to get a gun. He shot Charles.
It came out though later in court that Charles was
(05:17):
not just shot. Once Charles was shot. When he was
lying on the ground, they found a bullet in the
floor underneath his body. That's when Laurie Valo left with
her son JJ went to Burger King.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Okay, what what white, white white did you just say?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
After his father is gun down in front of him,
they go celebrate at Burger King.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And didn't they go buy flip flops or something at
Walmart or Costco?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, Walgreens. They stopped by Walgreens and got a pair
of flip flops. Then she dropped JJ off at school
and came back to that house. And that's where we've
seen that video where she's kind of laughing and saying
she just moved into the neighborhood. All the police are
interrogating her and investigating the death of her husband.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Has your husband lived here?
Speaker 9 (06:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
How long have you guys lived here? Okay, how long
have you lived here?
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Three?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Weeks.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Oh jeez, yeah, okay, gotcha, Like.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Hi, neighbor, Sorry, are you working at all?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I know?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Okay, and you're still about five six twenty start when
you think it makes a little sense. Okay, so.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
That's a crazy question.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, so we moved into this house three weeks ago
because he offered to get a house here where all my.
Speaker 10 (06:44):
Family is in Houston.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You're hearing Colt Mom Laurie Valo speaking guys. Charles Valo
just one of the many bodies, dead bodies connected to
Colt Mom Laurie vale And now she has taken to
a new jurisdiction to answer up on those charges. But
that's not all as it relates to Charles Valow. Their
(07:09):
problems go way back before she saw to it that
he was shot dead. Take a listen to bodycam footage
of cops talking to Charles Valow on an earlier occasion.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So what's going on tonight?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
I can't get in touch with kids.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
How old are your kids?
Speaker 11 (07:26):
Six and a half and sixteenth? Okay?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
How long have you been trying? Two days?
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Okay?
Speaker 11 (07:32):
But she she's lost her mind out of the house
to say it, we're lds. She thinks she's a resurrected
being in a.
Speaker 10 (07:44):
God.
Speaker 11 (07:45):
And remember the one hundred and forty four thousand she's
come to Jesus is coming next year. She took all
the money out of her bank account.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Today you're hearing the voice I've now murdered.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Charles Valo on a previous occasion, he's trying to get
his son and can't find him anywhere, and he's talking
to cops about it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Listen to more.
Speaker 11 (08:07):
My truck had gone from the airport. She went at
the airport and got it. I just lew in from
Houston from Dallas. You stand outs. So the truck I
don't know, A good friend of mine, truck I picked
me up. I went to the CSI to follow report,
which is good? He any bridges or something?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Final report?
Speaker 5 (08:27):
So you did did you did the petition the order
to pick up?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (08:31):
What time did you do?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Do that?
Speaker 8 (08:33):
Hour?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
A half?
Speaker 11 (08:34):
We okay?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So what makes her a danger to herself?
Speaker 11 (08:37):
And two others threatened they murdered me?
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Kill me?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
She threatened to murder you.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yes, joining me right now is Rex Connor. This is
called mom.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Laurie Valo, Dave Bill's uncle, host of a podcast, Silver Linings,
and author of an incredible book, Laurie's Lies and Family Ties,
Healing from the Tiley and JJ tragedy. Rex Connor, thank
you for being with us. When I hear Charles Valo speaking,
(09:07):
it's heartbreaking. He's telling the cops she's threatened to kill me.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It is heartbreaking. No one can hear that and just
not be heartbroken by the fact that he's trying to
get her help. He's not afraid for his own life
or coward, and he's trying to get help for Laurie.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
She's been threatening to kill him forever.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
As she did it, she was there, she arranged it,
She lured him there to pick up JJ, and now
he's dead.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
He told cops, she wants to kill me. What is
the problem?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, that's that's up to the prosecutors. We just you know,
we want justice and we want the most amount of
justice you can get in this life. So I personally
had that feeling. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Remember, Nancy, it's not just one charge, it's two for
the conspiracy to commit the murder of her neph at
the time her nephew.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
The nephew is still alive.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Rich Robertson is joining us Arizona based private investigator for
Brandon Boudreau and the Woodcock family. He owns R three Investigations.
You can find him at our Threeinvestigations dot com. Rich robertson,
your client Boodreau, he was shot at by this gang
headed up by Laurie Valo Listen.
Speaker 12 (10:27):
Brandon Boudreau calls nine to one one reporting that someone
shot at his car as he drove into his neighborhood.
He believes Laurie's brother, Alex was the trigger man. Boudreau
had been married to Valodabell's niece, Melanie Pilowski, but after
they divorced, Valodabell believed Boudreau, like her ex husband Charles,
was controlled by a dark spirit, and according to Valodabell,
(10:48):
the only way to get rid of a dark spirit
is to kill it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Rich robertson, what do you say?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
I think it's pretty well subtled that Alex Cox was
the guy who not only shot Charles value in July,
but then in October nineteen was the guy who put
put the gun out the back of a jeep Cherokee
and fired a shot at Brandon as he pulled into
his driveway. Who was behind arranging all of that, what
(11:14):
the evidence is, all the communications that was going on
between Alex, Lori, Chad whomever, text messages, phone calls, cell
tower tracking. I'm sure all of that is going to
be the evidence as to who was involved in the conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Cultmom Laurie Vallo convicted on a charge of conspiring to
murder Brandon Boudreau, who was once married to Coltmom's niece.
The attempt occurred outside his home in the Phoenix suburb
of Gilbert.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
An Arizona jury just hands down a verdict against Coltman
Lauri Valo. This after a previous Arizona jury convicted coltmom
of conspiring with her brother Alex Cox, to kill her
estranged husband, Charles Valo, at her Coltmom's home in another
(12:23):
Phoenix suburb. Candler now remember Coltman Laurie Valo, with all
of her doomsday religious beliefs, has already been sentenced in
Idaho to life behind bars for killing her two little
children and engaging in a plot to kill a romantic
rival that would be Tammy Day Bell, her now husband
(12:47):
the prophet Chad Dave Bell's wife. While Laurie Valo was
picking out her wedding dress and ordering it. Dave Bell
was still married to Tammy, and what a kowinkydink she died.
The wedding went forward without a hitch. What do we
know about that case with her husband marries about a
(13:13):
month later to a woman whose husband dies two weeks before.
I'm starting to simmer, just simmering. Take a listen right now,
to East Idaho News reporter Nate Eaton.
Speaker 13 (13:28):
Deputies responded as they took pictures, they looked it over,
contacted our detectives. Detectives had a few questions. They satisfied
those didn't see anything that alarmed them.
Speaker 10 (13:39):
Was Chad Dabell acting interesting or suspicious or normal?
Speaker 13 (13:45):
To my knowledge, he was responding like anybody would whose
spouse had just passed away. That's why the deputies didn't
antis or didn't suspect anything suspicious.
Speaker 10 (13:53):
A few days later, Humphries says his office was alerted
by detectives in Arizona about the other deaths. Tammy's body
was exhumed from the spring Hill, Utah Evergreens Cemetery and
an autopsy was performed.
Speaker 13 (14:06):
And we're still waiting for the lab results to come back.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
Do you know if Tammy Dabell had a big life
insurance policy.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
There is some.
Speaker 13 (14:14):
Information along those lines that I'm not at liberty to
speak about right now, but that is being investigated.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You're hearing our friend Nate Eaton with the East Idaho
News dot Com questioning the Fremont County Sheriff Lee Humphries.
I got a lot more questions joining me right now,
an a list panel number one, former prosecutor, former felony prosecutor,
and I've checked out his record.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Defense attorney Darryl Cohen joining me from the Atlanta Jurisdiction.
Bobby Checkone, former special agent with the FBI, current star
a Facebook series Curse of Acacor, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned
psychiatrist MD joining us today. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan,
death investigator, but right now to reporter with the East
Idaho News dot Com, Nate Eaton, Nate, Hey, no offense,
but you kind of rolled over on a couple of
those questions.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
You didn't want to tangle with the.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
County sheriff because when he says, I had a few questions,
A few questions. Why would a woman in her forties
and perfect health that we know of, and don't you
know she had some underlying ailmentt Coltmom's family would be
blasting it out there. Uh huh No, she's training for
(15:43):
a marathon. Can you say that, Nate, eating and you have.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
A few questions? Die in her sleep.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
The last person to see her alive was her husband,
Chad Dabell, who wrote twenty five books that we know
of about end of Times with some crazy cult and
he just married Lorie Valley right after Tammy dies in
her sleep with him hying right beside her.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Come on, Nate, what's the sheriff saying now?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Well, the sheriff saying that the autopsy will tell the answers.
You know, Tammy was the school librarian who everybody loved.
Everybody in town knew her. She worked with every student
that came into that library, so she was a beloved
member of the community. Everybody was shocked when she died.
What interesting Nancy knows, she whoa whoa.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Everybody was shocked, but nobody did anything. Did they Nobody
did a darn thing, did they?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Nate you kill over and your sleep. Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I'm on it. Okay, But nobody did anything with Tammy
Daybell died. Just tell me what the sheriff says about
the way Chad Dave Bell reacted when his wife just
up and dies in her sleep.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
They said that he acted like a grieving husband would
any grieving h wood. He was upset, he was distraught.
Here's the interesting thing. She died on a Saturday morning.
She was in the ground by Tuesday afternoon. Normally families
take time to notify loved ones.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Hold what wh w hold on? Nate, just curious.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I've never asked you this before, But where are you from?
Speaker 4 (17:21):
I'm from all over, but I've lived in Idaho now
for five years.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Okay, that is not an acceptable answer because you're only
from one place.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Where would that be, nighty?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I grew up near Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Okay, because I don't know what the customary practice is
where you grew up.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But she dies on.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday's three days later.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Okay. I don't find that unusual. So where you're from,
is that unusual?
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Well, normally you would notify friends, family members because they
didn't bury her body here in Idaho. They had to
make arrangements to have her body transport about six hours
from where we're at.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay, Now, wait a minute, that's something new. Tell me
that again.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So she dies Saturday morning. They don't bury her body
in Idaho. What they do is they ship her body
back to where she grew up, down in the middle
of Utah. So you have to make arrangements for that.
They hold the floor.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
How far away is that?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I mean, they didn't teach me much geography in law school.
How long of a drive is that?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Oh, at least six hours?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Six hours? So what did you say they had to
ship her body die? Hear you say that they have
to ship her body.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
They could just see take her body down to Springville, Utah.
So six hours from here. Then the next day the
family comes back to Idaho and holds a memorial service
without her body or casket. So it was as if
things were in a fast motion. And a lot of
people that attended that memorial service said it was weird
that there wasn't even a casket. There wasn't even a
(18:56):
body there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I hate to argue with you this much right off
the get go, but Nate I'm ready, Nate. When you
have a memorial, that very often means the person is
being cremated or buried, and at some later date there
is a memorial. You're a memory, you're remembering the person
a funeral. Now, Jackie, look us up on Google. Difference
(19:23):
between memorial and funeral. See, these are the fun things
I do in my spare time when I'm not chasing down.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Killers, Nate.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Because you wouldn't expect, typically at a memorial, I wouldn't expect.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Necessarily for a body to be there. But I am interested.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So that's not unusual so far. Memorial was three days later,
not not concerning me at all. That in my mind
is typical. But you did say something. You said something
about family and friends not knowing. Did family and friends
not did everybody not get the word that Tammy had
passed away?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
There were a lot of people that found out after
the fact, after the funeral, after the memorial, whoa Tammy
Davell died? She was here six days ago getting ready
for this race, and now she's buried in the ground.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay, so they didn't put it in the local paper
that there's going to be a memorial service.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
There was an obituary. But again, everything happened so quickly.
Normally you'd wait a few days. And if you're going
to be where you're pat where the death occurs, do
that memorial service first with the cast, get pay your respect,
then take it down to you.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Hold on, dear, because my.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Crack legal researcher Jackie is holding up body.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Not present for memorial. That's what a memorial is, Nate, Okay,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I'm going to quit arguing with you about memorial versus
funeral and get down to something serious. The fact that
you're telling me she was buried so quickly that everybody
didn't even realize or hadn't gotten notice of a funeral.
And most importan question etiquette aside, how long after Tammy
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day Bell died did Chad at day Bell Mary called
mom Laurie Valo?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Within three weeks, Within three weeks they were married.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I thought it was a month, not that that made
any difference to me. One week does not. Of course,
a lot can happen in seven days. But three weeks
later he has remarried Tammy Dabell. She's dead and nobody
even bothered to ask for an autosy.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
The husband didn't care what happened to my wife? Why
is she dead? If God forbid my husband just dropped dead,
I'd want to know why I love him. I want
to know what happened to him, to try to make
sense of it all.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
But take a listen right now to the Fremont County
Sheriff Lee Humphreys.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
He's added again with Nate Eaton nineteenth, we.
Speaker 13 (22:00):
Did respond to an unattended death at the Devel home
in the southern part of Fremont County Salem Highway, and
Tammy Dave Bell was deceased at that time. Officers, my
officers deputies responded and as we do with most unattended deaths,
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they took pictures, they looked it over, contacted our detectives.
Detectives had a few questions. They satisfied those got the
information they needed, didn't see anything that alarmed them. Contacted
the coroner. Corner responded and the body was transported to
(22:42):
the funeral home. The corner went there also to do
a further examination, and she determined that there was nothing
out of ordinary natural causes. A few days later, we
started getting information out of Arizona that we maybe ought
to culture look.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
At this, well, he sounds pretty calm.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
We also know that at the time, no autopsy was
ordered to Bobby Chacon, a former special agent with the FBI,
current star Facebook series Curse of Acacore.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Bobby Chacone, that's a special agent with the FBI.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
You've seen a lot of dead bodies, and it concerns
me that nobody demanded an autopsy.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Does that not bother you?
Speaker 8 (23:27):
It totally bothers me. And you know, you think that
those of us in law enforcement have a natural curiosity
and natural suspicion, particularly when you know a otherwise healthy,
normal adult is dead and an unattended death. The normal
protocol for us would be to request an autopsy, because
you know, there's a mantra for us in the forensic
world is that you have to get the evidence fast
(23:49):
and first, or else it can be compromised. And if
you lose that opportunity, you lose it forever. And in
this type of case, as an investigator, if I walked
in there and I saw an otherwise healthy adult in
an und tended death situation, I would think one of
the most important tools we're going to have is the
toxicology report resulting from an autopsy.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
We also know that in most jurisdictions, the next of
ken decides whether there will be an autopsy. Take a
listen to KATV the seventies reporter Gretchen Parsons.
Speaker 14 (24:22):
When forty nine year old Tammy day Bell was found
dead in her bed last October, the Fremont County Sheriff
says family members ask the county corner not to perform
an autopsy because her death appeared to be natural at
the time, the coroner didn't do one. Under Idaho law,
if the death is considered to be from natural causes,
the corner can opt not to do an autopsy. The
(24:45):
Fremont County Corner isn't speaking about this case publicly, but
Ada County Corner Dotty Owen says that is unusual unless
Tammy was under the care of a physician.
Speaker 15 (24:55):
What we would do is we would call and speak
to the primary care physician, verify that history, review those
medical records, and then at that point released that individual
so that that primary care physician could sign that death
certificate out at that point, if family had refused it
on atop see, we would sit down with this family
explain why we needed to do it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
The importance of doing it, and then.
Speaker 15 (25:15):
At that point, if we were still met with resistance,
we would go ahead and just do it based on jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And of course the next of ken was Chad Da Bell.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Now wait a minute, hold on, there is Tammy Day
Bell and there is the then estranged husband, Charles Valo.
Now remember an Arizona jury just convicted her in the
murder conspiring with her brother.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
To murder Charles Valo.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Okay, hold on, I need a flowchart for this. We've
got her convicted for murdering JJ and Tyley, her children.
We've got her convicted conspiring to murder Tammy daybail. Now
that'll happen in Idaho and Arizona. She was just convicted
(26:07):
for conspiring to murder, along with her brother Alex Cox,
murder her estranged husband, Charles Valo.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Okay, what do we know about Charles Valo's shooting death? Plenty?
Anna Juri agrees.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Guys, let's hear more of Charles value speaking about Laurie
Vallos rightning to murder him.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
He's had kind of a brightful unity.
Speaker 11 (26:33):
You Elia, Yes, she thinks she's married to Moron Now
in the past, do you think she's what he's married
to Morona.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
At the top of the temple Angel Angel ldsrobation.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
And she knows when the Second Coming is happening. Makes
your ss a prophet. Okay, he knows that, she knows,
she knows about it. She'd be so borrown out. Jesus
Christ based based in the temple every day. I've tried
to support as much as I could, but it's got really,
really bad like that, She's had a break. She says,
I'm Nick Schneider. I've taken over Charles's body and Charles
(27:10):
was killed.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I'm going to kill you being a murdered today or tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Okay, Nate Aiden. She actually says to Charles Valo, you
will be I'm going to kill you. You'll be killed
today or tomorrow. And then he's murdered.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Charles Valow did raise the warning sign. It was there
on tape as you said that Laurie was making these statements.
They did eventually reconcile back together after that, you know,
situation with the police. But yeah, he was born. She
warned him about this and and it's unfortunately it happened.
Now he's dead.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Here is more of Charles Valo telling cops Coltman, Laurie
Valo was going to kill him.
Speaker 11 (27:49):
She's not here. She lost her reality. We've done at
a great marriage. All of a sudden the last month
just blew up. I will kill you because you're not Charles,
and nobody will care.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Okay, so she at this point doesn't think you are
her husband.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Don't you take seven Nick Schneider, who's a Mick Schneider.
Speaker 11 (28:07):
Have no idea the name she used? I know where
it came from.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Okay, I'm just like I'm as bewildered as you are.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, the marriage was perfect until just recently. What happened?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Where does she get in her head that her husband,
Charles Vallo was an evil spirit?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Hmmm?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Where could that have come from? Take a listen to
our friend Jackie Howard.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Charles and Lourie Vallo meet and Mary in two thousand
and six. Laurie has two children from another marriage. Charles
has three sons. They live in Kawhi for a time
in twenty fourteen, but moved back to the continental US
sometime between twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, living in Arizona.
It's during this time that Lori Vello reportedly meets Chad
(28:51):
Dabeil at a religious conference in Saint George, Utah. The
couple hit it off and appear on several End of
the World style podcasts. Charles and Laurie's marriage, however, turned sour.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Joining me Karen Start, renowned psychologist, joining us out of
Manhattan at Karenstar dot com. Karen, I think I know
what happened. She meets Chad Dabell, the so called prophet.
His pickup line, believe it or not, is we were
married in a past life, so he might as well
run over to that motel right now.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
And it worked.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Suddenly, this woman believes she is a goddess of sort
on a heavenly mission, and she is with Chaddabell.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That's why Valo needs a divorce. That's what happened. I
guess he just didn't know it when he was talking
to police.
Speaker 16 (29:42):
I don't know if he knew it, but I do
know that Chad actually appealed to her narcissism and by
calling her a goddess that was perfect for Laurie and
Nancy trub Bellow even in the divorce was and he said,
I don't know what she's going to do with them.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Her children.
Speaker 16 (30:04):
I don't know if she's.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Going to flee with them, if she's going to hurt them.
Speaker 16 (30:07):
So he was worried about the safety of himself and
his children.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Very worried.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And as a matter of fact, she meets up with
Chad Daybill and what happens next listen.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Charles Vellow files for divorce in twenty nineteen. He claims
that Laurie views herself as a god and has said
she would kill him if he ever gets in her
way of preparing for the second Coming of Christ. The
morning of July eleventh, Charles Vellow goes to Lourie's rental
home in Chandler, Arizona to pick up his son jaj
for school. Alex Cox, Laurie's brother, is also there. Within
(30:44):
an hour, Valo is lying in a pool of blood,
shot by Alex Cox. Cox claims self defense and is
not charged. Laurie marries Chad day Bell.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
To Rex Connor, joining us Laurie Valo's uncle and host
of silver Lining things. Tell me your understanding of how
Calman Laurie Valo meets Chad day Bail and what ensues.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Well, they were both interested before they met in this
into the world stuff, the so called doomsday doomsday stuff,
and so they met at a conference of people that
get together and talk about preparing for the end of
the world. Not a popular thing amongst most people, but
(31:30):
there is a group that meets and talks about it.
So when they met, I like the way her brother
Adam the Good Brother, describes it. When they met, it
was the perfect storm. He just appealed to just what
she wanted, She appealed to what he wanted, and they
allowed themselves this alternative reality that they created together and
(31:55):
just ran with it as just a perfect storm of evil.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Also jet to mean Rich Robertson Arizona PI for Brandon Bougereau,
who almost ended up dead at the behest of Lori
Valo according to police. What do you make of her
relationship which had dabail and the subsequent murder of Charles Valley, Well, they.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Were certainly infatuated with each other for whatever reasons. There
was talk that she was she was definitely having an
affair with with Chad prior to the time that Charles
filed a divorced I think that was one of the
(32:39):
reasons he did it, and she was in his group.
The prepare of people. She was kind of a sub
section of all of that, and Chad Daball was had
ideas that she glommed onto, and she was doing podcasts
(32:59):
herself along with some others in support of all that,
and somehow came to subscribe to all of these kind
of strange beliefs about dark spirits and becoming a god herself.
And it sure looked like they were trying to get
rid of things that were holding them back. All of
(33:22):
these murders happened in a very short period of time
in twenty nineteen, and she cleared the decks of her
husband and that her kids, and then he cleared the
decks of his wife, and then they went after Brandon.
So it was all very very quick that was happening.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Joining me is doctor Todd Barr, Board certified anatomic clinical
forensic pathologist. He's featured in Thin Places Essays from in Between,
Doctor Barr, it's great to have you on with us.
I want to talk about Charles Valo. We now know
that he was shot, He fell to the ground, most
likely was still alive, and Alex Cox and or Lorie
(34:05):
Valo comes up to him and shoots him again as
he's on the ground, the bullet getting wedged in the
floor underneath him, Doctor Barr, knowing that he was very
likely still alive from the first shot, what did he
endure before that second shot?
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Well, he would have been, you know, losing blood along
the way, and I'm not sure what injuries he sustained,
but it seems like it was not initially a terminal
or a fatal wound, so that he was slowly bleeding out.
And what he would be doing is he would be
(34:47):
suffering from the pain of whatever areas were hit by
that first initial bullet, and then he would be also
starting to lose consciousness from the loss of blood. So
he's becoming hypoxic, meaning he's not getting any oxygen to
his brain or to his vital organs. So he's literally
just hanging on by a thread, suffering in pain and
(35:10):
losing consciousness.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
When he looks up and the last thing he sees
is Alex Cox and or Coltman Laurie Valo standing over
him with a gun.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Can he make it out? Doctor? Could he see that?
Speaker 7 (35:25):
He definitely could have seen that. I mean if he
if he was if he was conscious and he opened
his eyes, he would have seen that gun pointed at him.
I mean this is this is like an execution style killing.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
And now to the most recent conviction, coltman Laurie Valo
convicted of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband, Brandon
Booj And you know Chris McDonough joining me, Director Cold
Case Foundation, former homicide detective. You can find him at
colcaysefoundation dot org or his YouTube channel, The Interview Room.
(36:14):
Let's don't forget that there is another victim in this case.
His name is Brandon Boudreau and it's just an angel
in his on his shoulder that kept him from also
being a coltman Laurie Valo orchestrated murder.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Listen to this, Chris McDonough our cut five three, seven,
nine one one.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Where's your emergency?
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Someone just shot my window. Ok I'm in the cool
stable way, but I can see them driving off.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Okay, someone shot at your vehicle.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Yeah, it hit my window, shattered my driver's side window.
Okay when you pulled into his driveway and I was
trying to pull in my driveway. All right, A little
uugh buh. They just drove off my thromb drive off.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
Okay, do you know who these people are.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
I have no idea. I moved into a new home
about a week.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Well, we figured out who it was. Chris McDonough.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Are you surprised that there's yet another intended murder victim?
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Not at all, Nancy. And in fact, if you listen
to that call, right as we listened to that call,
he's saying they them. So there's more than one.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Rich Robertson the PI for Brandon Boudreau, who was this
close to getting murdered orchestrated by Lori Valo. Question, do you,
Rich Robertson, why the cult mom Laurie Valo want Brandon dead?
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Well, that's gonna be an interesting question. Brandon's wife at
the time, Melody, is Lori Valo's niece, and they were
She had become part of that group and she was
involved in in the same belief system she and it
(38:06):
was creating a lot of family tension. So Brandon was
upset that his wife was being sucked down this rabbit
hole that Laurie had got her involved in. And it
certainly appears that Laurie was helping quote unquote her niece
(38:26):
deal with this problem, and her problem.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Was Brandon question to you, who do you believe was
involved in taking a shot at Brandon Bedrive.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Well, I have no doubt it was Alex Cox in
the back in the jeep that day. Why Well, all
the evidence suggests that in all the travel and that
was that was going on. I think the evidence is
going to show as I understand what's been collected, and
this is a lot of electronics communications going on between
(38:58):
Alex and Laurie and at the time of the shooting.
And I'm sure that there are some cell tower type
of records that are going to place Alex at or
near that that crime scene. So I think there's there's
gonna be a lot of corroboration for who was saying
what and where they were at.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
The time, and what type of vehicle was driving this.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
This jeep that he was driving was actually Charles Vallas vehicle.
He had given it to Tyley. It still had Texas
plates on it. And and after Charles's death in July,
the shooting at Brandon occurred in October, and that jeep
(39:49):
had been up to Rexburg and then back again and
h they were there was I mean, all this was
kind of put together later, but that was the view
that Brandon kind of recognized he saw that vehicle, he
was aware of it being Charles, and given the circumstances
(40:09):
of what happened to Charles, it certainly raised Brandon's suspicions
about who was responsible for this.
Speaker 12 (40:17):
Listen Lori Valo davel where's an Orange Maricopa County jail uniform?
For her first Arizona court appearance. She says little during
the brief arraignment, dating her name and date of birth.
When a judge asks, the court issues a not guilty
plea on her behalf.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Guys, take a listen to our cut five two three
Americapa County judge addressing cult mom Lourie vale Mornin.
Speaker 11 (40:40):
And Keith Terry and Dene Sukia behalf of this vala
who is president appearing in custody?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Thank you, Amana. Could you state your phone?
Speaker 9 (40:46):
Nay please, Lauri Valodeve and your data birth six twenty
six seventy three. And this is the time set for
the not guilty arrayment on each count.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
We'll start with number six.
Speaker 14 (41:01):
As to number six, man, you are before the court
on countant one, we'll enter a not guilty plea on
your behalf.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
On you ever reading, sir, so this value value. You
are appearing here on two cases.
Speaker 17 (41:14):
These are both grand jury wants. What that means is
that the grand jury here in Arizona has indicted you
on two charges. The first case is CR twenty twenty
two zero zero one two four to twosh zero zero one.
You're being charged in that case with one count of
conspiracy to commit first degree murder. It is a class
one felony committed on October the second of twenty nineteen.
(41:36):
The second case is CR twenty twenty one zero zero
one seven zero four dash zero zero one, and in
that case you're also being charged with one count of
conspiracy to commit first degree murder.
Speaker 6 (41:47):
It is also a class one felony.
Speaker 17 (41:49):
That offense allegedly occurred on July eleventh of twenty nineteen. Now,
I do have to advise you of your right to
have an attorney and the rights to remain silent. I
will appoint counsel for you in both cases.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Have a court tech coming up for you.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
It's called a not guilty arraiment hearing.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
In the last days A bombshell in the prosecution off
cult Mom Laurie Valo. A jury in Phoenix convicts cult
mom Laurie Valo, of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband,
Brandon Boudreau. Trust me, we ain't heard the last from
Colt mom Laurie Valo, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
In the Last Days a bombshell in the prosecution off
cult Mom Laurie Valo. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us. That's right,
Colt Mom aka Doomsday Mom Laurie Valo. The jury just
hands down a verdict in a case where she is
charged of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
A jury, a jury in Phoenix convicts cult Mom Laurie
Valo of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband, this
marking her second murder conspiracy conviction in Arizona alone in
under two months.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Does the name.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Charles Valo ring a bell? He's one of the many
dead bodies connected to cult Mom Laurie Valo.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.
Charles Valo gunned down in cold blood at the behest
of Colt Mom Lorie Valo after she lured him to
the location.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
As a matter of fact, let me jog your memory. Listen.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
In the fight with my brother in LAWNA shot him
until the tenth.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Hey bed breathing.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I can't tell.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Are you wanting are you willing to go over to
him and check? Sure?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, there's blood, he's not moving.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
He's pretty nonchalant, like a daysical. Oh yeah, there's blood,
he's not moving, listened to more.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I turned around and he hit me in the back
of the head of the bathroom. So I went to
my room and got my gun.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Harriet, you went to your room, meaning and room you're staying.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Yeah, okay, you brought your bride a gun with you?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Do you always bring a gun?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I'll consumed carry all?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Okay, fair, Hi, who are you?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Okay? Just stand a different just a segregation.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
And then.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I thought he put the bat down, and he wouldn't.
Then he came out me and getting the wife to.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Show up his wife mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
He doesn't sound upset at all. And there is a
legal theory called cooling off period number one. I don't
believe that Laurie Vallo called man Laurie Vello's brother Alex Cox,
was ever hit with a bat.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I don't think that's true. But even so, he.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Goes into the house and comes back with a gun.
That's called a cooling off period. This turns into not
self defense but murder. Well, it's not over yet. And
remember Laurie Valo is there at the time her ex husband,
her husband, Charles Valo, is gunned down dead by her brother.
(02:57):
This is all her maneuvering. Listen, So you told him
to put the yes?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So where are you at and where are you at now?
Did you stay in your bedroom?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
No? Okay?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Why did you stay just in your bedroom?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Closed the door?
Speaker 7 (03:11):
Is that some of you did think about it or
didn't even heard of me?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Okay, so walk me through it.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So you go back in your room.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So I just went back to liver only what is
your problem with the gun?
Speaker 8 (03:20):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I said, I want you to put that back down,
and he wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He's like you.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
And he came at meat with the bat again after
you're already hitting out the head.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So nice I him to stop him.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, I don't believe that for one minute, standing by
egging the whole murder on Colt Mom, Lorie Valo. Guys, again,
thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
with me an all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now. But first to the news
director of the East Idaho News dot Com, who has
been about three inches of Colet Mom's Lori Valo's tailpipe
(03:53):
since the get go.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Before her children were ever found.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
He smelled a rat chaser all the way to and
back in an effort to find JJ in Tylely. Now
we're onto another murder. Nate eaton joining us. Nate, thank
you for being with us. What happened to Charles Valow?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Charles Vallo went over to pick up his son JJ
to take him to school. It was July of twenty nineteen,
and when he went in the house, the account was
that he got into some sort of argument with Alex Cox.
Laurie's brother, Tylee was there. JJ was there, Laurie was there.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh, Dawn.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
All the other witnesses are dead. Alex Cox is dead.
JJ is dead. God rest his soul. Tyley is dead,
God rest her soul. The only person left to tell
the story is colet Mom.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Laurie Vallee. You think I'm taking her word for anything?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
She told me this guy was blue, I'd say, no,
it's absolutely red.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Go ahead, right, So that's when Alex Cox says that Charles,
as you mentioned, came after with a Now, remember Nancy,
Charles was an athlete, Charles played baseball. He's not going
to swing and miss when you hit someone in the
head with a bat. And that's when Alex said, in
self defense, he had to get a gun. He shot Charles.
It came out though later in court that Charles was
(05:17):
not just shot. Once Charles was shot. When he was
lying on the ground, they found a bullet in the
floor underneath his body. That's when Laurie Valo left with
her son JJ went to Burger King.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Okay, what what white, white white did you just say?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
After his father is gun down in front of him,
they go celebrate at Burger King.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
And didn't they go buy flip flops or something at
Walmart or Costco?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, Walgreens. They stopped by Walgreens and got a pair
of flip flops. Then she dropped JJ off at school
and came back to that house. And that's where we've
seen that video where she's kind of laughing and saying
she just moved into the neighborhood. All the police are
interrogating her and investigating the death of her husband.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Has your husband lived here?
Speaker 9 (06:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
How long have you guys lived here? Okay, how long
have you lived here?
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Three?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Weeks.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Oh jeez, yeah, okay, gotcha, Like.
Speaker 8 (06:19):
Hi, neighbor, Sorry, are you working at all?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I know?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Okay, and you're still about five six twenty start when
you think it makes a little sense. Okay, so.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
That's a crazy question.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, so we moved into this house three weeks ago
because he offered to get a house here where all my.
Speaker 10 (06:44):
Family is in Houston.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You're hearing Colt Mom Laurie Valo speaking guys. Charles Valo
just one of the many bodies, dead bodies connected to
Colt Mom Laurie vale And now she has taken to
a new jurisdiction to answer up on those charges. But
that's not all as it relates to Charles Valow. Their
(07:09):
problems go way back before she saw to it that
he was shot dead. Take a listen to bodycam footage
of cops talking to Charles Valow on an earlier occasion.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So what's going on tonight?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
I can't get in touch with kids.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
How old are your kids?
Speaker 11 (07:26):
Six and a half and sixteenth? Okay?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
How long have you been trying? Two days?
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Okay?
Speaker 11 (07:32):
But she she's lost her mind out of the house
to say it, we're lds. She thinks she's a resurrected
being in a.
Speaker 10 (07:44):
God.
Speaker 11 (07:45):
And remember the one hundred and forty four thousand she's
come to Jesus is coming next year. She took all
the money out of her bank account.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Today you're hearing the voice I've now murdered.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Charles Valo on a previous occasion, he's trying to get
his son and can't find him anywhere, and he's talking
to cops about it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Listen to more.
Speaker 11 (08:07):
My truck had gone from the airport. She went at
the airport and got it. I just lew in from
Houston from Dallas. You stand outs. So the truck I
don't know, A good friend of mine, truck I picked
me up. I went to the CSI to follow report,
which is good? He any bridges or something?
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Final report?
Speaker 5 (08:27):
So you did did you did the petition the order
to pick up?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (08:31):
What time did you do?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Do that?
Speaker 8 (08:33):
Hour?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
A half?
Speaker 11 (08:34):
We okay?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So what makes her a danger to herself?
Speaker 11 (08:37):
And two others threatened they murdered me?
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Kill me?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
She threatened to murder you.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yes, joining me right now is Rex Connor. This is
called mom.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Laurie Valo, Dave Bill's uncle, host of a podcast, Silver Linings,
and author of an incredible book, Laurie's Lies and Family Ties,
Healing from the Tiley and JJ tragedy. Rex Connor, thank
you for being with us. When I hear Charles Valo speaking,
(09:07):
it's heartbreaking. He's telling the cops she's threatened to kill me.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It is heartbreaking. No one can hear that and just
not be heartbroken by the fact that he's trying to
get her help. He's not afraid for his own life
or coward, and he's trying to get help for Laurie.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
She's been threatening to kill him forever.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
As she did it, she was there, she arranged it,
She lured him there to pick up JJ, and now
he's dead.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
He told cops, she wants to kill me. What is
the problem?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, that's that's up to the prosecutors. We just you know,
we want justice and we want the most amount of
justice you can get in this life. So I personally
had that feeling. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Remember, Nancy, it's not just one charge, it's two for
the conspiracy to commit the murder of her neph at
the time her nephew.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
The nephew is still alive.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Rich Robertson is joining us Arizona based private investigator for
Brandon Boudreau and the Woodcock family. He owns R three Investigations.
You can find him at our Threeinvestigations dot com. Rich robertson,
your client Boodreau, he was shot at by this gang
headed up by Laurie Valo Listen.
Speaker 12 (10:27):
Brandon Boudreau calls nine to one one reporting that someone
shot at his car as he drove into his neighborhood.
He believes Laurie's brother, Alex was the trigger man. Boudreau
had been married to Valodabell's niece, Melanie Pilowski, but after
they divorced, Valodabell believed Boudreau, like her ex husband Charles,
was controlled by a dark spirit, and according to Valodabell,
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the only way to get rid of a dark spirit
is to kill it.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Rich robertson, what do you say?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
I think it's pretty well subtled that Alex Cox was
the guy who not only shot Charles value in July,
but then in October nineteen was the guy who put
put the gun out the back of a jeep Cherokee
and fired a shot at Brandon as he pulled into
his driveway. Who was behind arranging all of that, what
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the evidence is, all the communications that was going on
between Alex, Lori, Chad whomever, text messages, phone calls, cell
tower tracking. I'm sure all of that is going to
be the evidence as to who was involved in the conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Cultmom Laurie Vallo convicted on a charge of conspiring to
murder Brandon Boudreau, who was once married to Coltmom's niece.
The attempt occurred outside his home in the Phoenix suburb
of Gilbert.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
An Arizona jury just hands down a verdict against Coltman
Lauri Valo. This after a previous Arizona jury convicted coltmom
of conspiring with her brother Alex Cox, to kill her
estranged husband, Charles Valo, at her Coltmom's home in another
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Phoenix suburb. Candler now remember Coltman Laurie Valo, with all
of her doomsday religious beliefs, has already been sentenced in
Idaho to life behind bars for killing her two little
children and engaging in a plot to kill a romantic
rival that would be Tammy Day Bell, her now husband
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the prophet Chad Dave Bell's wife. While Laurie Valo was
picking out her wedding dress and ordering it. Dave Bell
was still married to Tammy, and what a kowinkydink she died.
The wedding went forward without a hitch. What do we
know about that case with her husband marries about a
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month later to a woman whose husband dies two weeks before.
I'm starting to simmer, just simmering. Take a listen right now,
to East Idaho News reporter Nate Eaton.
Speaker 13 (13:28):
Deputies responded as they took pictures, they looked it over,
contacted our detectives. Detectives had a few questions. They satisfied
those didn't see anything that alarmed them.
Speaker 10 (13:39):
Was Chad Dabell acting interesting or suspicious or normal?
Speaker 13 (13:45):
To my knowledge, he was responding like anybody would whose
spouse had just passed away. That's why the deputies didn't
antis or didn't suspect anything suspicious.
Speaker 10 (13:53):
A few days later, Humphries says his office was alerted
by detectives in Arizona about the other deaths. Tammy's body
was exhumed from the spring Hill, Utah Evergreens Cemetery and
an autopsy was performed.
Speaker 13 (14:06):
And we're still waiting for the lab results to come back.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
Do you know if Tammy Dabell had a big life
insurance policy.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
There is some.
Speaker 13 (14:14):
Information along those lines that I'm not at liberty to
speak about right now, but that is being investigated.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You're hearing our friend Nate Eaton with the East Idaho
News dot Com questioning the Fremont County Sheriff Lee Humphries.
I got a lot more questions joining me right now,
an a list panel number one, former prosecutor, former felony prosecutor,
and I've checked out his record.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Defense attorney Darryl Cohen joining me from the Atlanta Jurisdiction.
Bobby Checkone, former special agent with the FBI, current star
a Facebook series Curse of Acacor, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned
psychiatrist MD joining us today. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan,
death investigator, but right now to reporter with the East
Idaho News dot Com, Nate Eaton, Nate, Hey, no offense,
but you kind of rolled over on a couple of
those questions.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
You didn't want to tangle with the.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
County sheriff because when he says, I had a few questions,
A few questions. Why would a woman in her forties
and perfect health that we know of, and don't you
know she had some underlying ailmentt Coltmom's family would be
blasting it out there. Uh huh No, she's training for
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a marathon. Can you say that, Nate, eating and you have.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
A few questions? Die in her sleep.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
The last person to see her alive was her husband,
Chad Dabell, who wrote twenty five books that we know
of about end of Times with some crazy cult and
he just married Lorie Valley right after Tammy dies in
her sleep with him hying right beside her.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Come on, Nate, what's the sheriff saying now?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Well, the sheriff saying that the autopsy will tell the answers.
You know, Tammy was the school librarian who everybody loved.
Everybody in town knew her. She worked with every student
that came into that library, so she was a beloved
member of the community. Everybody was shocked when she died.
What interesting Nancy knows, she whoa whoa.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Everybody was shocked, but nobody did anything. Did they Nobody
did a darn thing, did they?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Nate you kill over and your sleep. Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I'm on it. Okay, But nobody did anything with Tammy
Daybell died. Just tell me what the sheriff says about
the way Chad Dave Bell reacted when his wife just
up and dies in her sleep.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
They said that he acted like a grieving husband would
any grieving h wood. He was upset, he was distraught.
Here's the interesting thing. She died on a Saturday morning.
She was in the ground by Tuesday afternoon. Normally families
take time to notify loved ones.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Hold what wh w hold on? Nate, just curious.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I've never asked you this before, But where are you from?
Speaker 4 (17:21):
I'm from all over, but I've lived in Idaho now
for five years.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Okay, that is not an acceptable answer because you're only
from one place.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Where would that be, nighty?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I grew up near Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Okay, because I don't know what the customary practice is
where you grew up.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But she dies on.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday's three days later.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Okay. I don't find that unusual. So where you're from,
is that unusual?
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Well, normally you would notify friends, family members because they
didn't bury her body here in Idaho. They had to
make arrangements to have her body transport about six hours
from where we're at.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay, Now, wait a minute, that's something new. Tell me
that again.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So she dies Saturday morning. They don't bury her body
in Idaho. What they do is they ship her body
back to where she grew up, down in the middle
of Utah. So you have to make arrangements for that.
They hold the floor.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
How far away is that?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I mean, they didn't teach me much geography in law school.
How long of a drive is that?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Oh, at least six hours?
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Six hours? So what did you say they had to
ship her body die? Hear you say that they have
to ship her body.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
They could just see take her body down to Springville, Utah.
So six hours from here. Then the next day the
family comes back to Idaho and holds a memorial service
without her body or casket. So it was as if
things were in a fast motion. And a lot of
people that attended that memorial service said it was weird
that there wasn't even a casket. There wasn't even a
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body there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I hate to argue with you this much right off
the get go, but Nate I'm ready, Nate. When you
have a memorial, that very often means the person is
being cremated or buried, and at some later date there
is a memorial. You're a memory, you're remembering the person
a funeral. Now, Jackie, look us up on Google. Difference
(19:23):
between memorial and funeral. See, these are the fun things
I do in my spare time when I'm not chasing down.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Killers, Nate.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Because you wouldn't expect, typically at a memorial, I wouldn't expect.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Necessarily for a body to be there. But I am interested.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So that's not unusual so far. Memorial was three days later,
not not concerning me at all. That in my mind
is typical. But you did say something. You said something
about family and friends not knowing. Did family and friends
not did everybody not get the word that Tammy had
passed away?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
There were a lot of people that found out after
the fact, after the funeral, after the memorial, whoa Tammy
Davell died? She was here six days ago getting ready
for this race, and now she's buried in the ground.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay, so they didn't put it in the local paper
that there's going to be a memorial service.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
There was an obituary. But again, everything happened so quickly.
Normally you'd wait a few days. And if you're going
to be where you're pat where the death occurs, do
that memorial service first with the cast, get pay your respect,
then take it down to you.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Hold on, dear, because my.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Crack legal researcher Jackie is holding up body.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Not present for memorial. That's what a memorial is, Nate, Okay,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I'm going to quit arguing with you about memorial versus
funeral and get down to something serious. The fact that
you're telling me she was buried so quickly that everybody
didn't even realize or hadn't gotten notice of a funeral.
And most importan question etiquette aside, how long after Tammy
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day Bell died did Chad at day Bell Mary called
mom Laurie Valo?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Within three weeks, Within three weeks they were married.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I thought it was a month, not that that made
any difference to me. One week does not. Of course,
a lot can happen in seven days. But three weeks
later he has remarried Tammy Dabell. She's dead and nobody
even bothered to ask for an autosy.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
The husband didn't care what happened to my wife? Why
is she dead? If God forbid my husband just dropped dead,
I'd want to know why I love him. I want
to know what happened to him, to try to make
sense of it all.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
But take a listen right now to the Fremont County
Sheriff Lee Humphreys.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
He's added again with Nate Eaton nineteenth, we.
Speaker 13 (22:00):
Did respond to an unattended death at the Devel home
in the southern part of Fremont County Salem Highway, and
Tammy Dave Bell was deceased at that time. Officers, my
officers deputies responded and as we do with most unattended deaths,
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they took pictures, they looked it over, contacted our detectives.
Detectives had a few questions. They satisfied those got the
information they needed, didn't see anything that alarmed them. Contacted
the coroner. Corner responded and the body was transported to
(22:42):
the funeral home. The corner went there also to do
a further examination, and she determined that there was nothing
out of ordinary natural causes. A few days later, we
started getting information out of Arizona that we maybe ought
to culture look.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
At this, well, he sounds pretty calm.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
We also know that at the time, no autopsy was
ordered to Bobby Chacon, a former special agent with the FBI,
current star Facebook series Curse of Acacore.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Bobby Chacone, that's a special agent with the FBI.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
You've seen a lot of dead bodies, and it concerns
me that nobody demanded an autopsy.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Does that not bother you?
Speaker 8 (23:27):
It totally bothers me. And you know, you think that
those of us in law enforcement have a natural curiosity
and natural suspicion, particularly when you know a otherwise healthy,
normal adult is dead and an unattended death. The normal
protocol for us would be to request an autopsy, because
you know, there's a mantra for us in the forensic
world is that you have to get the evidence fast
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and first, or else it can be compromised. And if
you lose that opportunity, you lose it forever. And in
this type of case, as an investigator, if I walked
in there and I saw an otherwise healthy adult in
an und tended death situation, I would think one of
the most important tools we're going to have is the
toxicology report resulting from an autopsy.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
We also know that in most jurisdictions, the next of
ken decides whether there will be an autopsy. Take a
listen to KATV the seventies reporter Gretchen Parsons.
Speaker 14 (24:22):
When forty nine year old Tammy day Bell was found
dead in her bed last October, the Fremont County Sheriff
says family members ask the county corner not to perform
an autopsy because her death appeared to be natural at
the time, the coroner didn't do one. Under Idaho law,
if the death is considered to be from natural causes,
the corner can opt not to do an autopsy. The
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Fremont County Corner isn't speaking about this case publicly, but
Ada County Corner Dotty Owen says that is unusual unless
Tammy was under the care of a physician.
Speaker 15 (24:55):
What we would do is we would call and speak
to the primary care physician, verify that history, review those
medical records, and then at that point released that individual
so that that primary care physician could sign that death
certificate out at that point, if family had refused it
on atop see, we would sit down with this family
explain why we needed to do it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
The importance of doing it, and then.
Speaker 15 (25:15):
At that point, if we were still met with resistance,
we would go ahead and just do it based on jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And of course the next of ken was Chad Da Bell.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Now wait a minute, hold on, there is Tammy Day
Bell and there is the then estranged husband, Charles Valo.
Now remember an Arizona jury just convicted her in the
murder conspiring with her brother.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
To murder Charles Valo.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Okay, hold on, I need a flowchart for this. We've
got her convicted for murdering JJ and Tyley, her children.
We've got her convicted conspiring to murder Tammy daybail. Now
that'll happen in Idaho and Arizona. She was just convicted
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for conspiring to murder, along with her brother Alex Cox,
murder her estranged husband, Charles Valo.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Okay, what do we know about Charles Valo's shooting death? Plenty?
Anna Juri agrees.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Guys, let's hear more of Charles value speaking about Laurie
Vallos rightning to murder him.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
He's had kind of a brightful unity.
Speaker 11 (26:33):
You Elia, Yes, she thinks she's married to Moron Now
in the past, do you think she's what he's married
to Morona.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
At the top of the temple Angel Angel ldsrobation.
Speaker 11 (26:47):
And she knows when the Second Coming is happening. Makes
your ss a prophet. Okay, he knows that, she knows,
she knows about it. She'd be so borrown out. Jesus
Christ based based in the temple every day. I've tried
to support as much as I could, but it's got really,
really bad like that, She's had a break. She says,
I'm Nick Schneider. I've taken over Charles's body and Charles
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was killed.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I'm going to kill you being a murdered today or tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Okay, Nate Aiden. She actually says to Charles Valo, you
will be I'm going to kill you. You'll be killed
today or tomorrow. And then he's murdered.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Charles Valow did raise the warning sign. It was there
on tape as you said that Laurie was making these statements.
They did eventually reconcile back together after that, you know,
situation with the police. But yeah, he was born. She
warned him about this and and it's unfortunately it happened.
Now he's dead.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Here is more of Charles Valo telling cops Coltman, Laurie
Valo was going to kill him.
Speaker 11 (27:49):
She's not here. She lost her reality. We've done at
a great marriage. All of a sudden the last month
just blew up. I will kill you because you're not Charles,
and nobody will care.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Okay, so she at this point doesn't think you are
her husband.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Don't you take seven Nick Schneider, who's a Mick Schneider.
Speaker 11 (28:07):
Have no idea the name she used? I know where
it came from.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Okay, I'm just like I'm as bewildered as you are.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, the marriage was perfect until just recently. What happened?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Where does she get in her head that her husband,
Charles Vallo was an evil spirit?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Hmmm?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Where could that have come from? Take a listen to
our friend Jackie Howard.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Charles and Lourie Vallo meet and Mary in two thousand
and six. Laurie has two children from another marriage. Charles
has three sons. They live in Kawhi for a time
in twenty fourteen, but moved back to the continental US
sometime between twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, living in Arizona.
It's during this time that Lori Vello reportedly meets Chad
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Dabeil at a religious conference in Saint George, Utah. The
couple hit it off and appear on several End of
the World style podcasts. Charles and Laurie's marriage, however, turned sour.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Joining me Karen Start, renowned psychologist, joining us out of
Manhattan at Karenstar dot com. Karen, I think I know
what happened. She meets Chad Dabell, the so called prophet.
His pickup line, believe it or not, is we were
married in a past life, so he might as well
run over to that motel right now.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
And it worked.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Suddenly, this woman believes she is a goddess of sort
on a heavenly mission, and she is with Chaddabell.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That's why Valo needs a divorce. That's what happened. I
guess he just didn't know it when he was talking
to police.
Speaker 16 (29:42):
I don't know if he knew it, but I do
know that Chad actually appealed to her narcissism and by
calling her a goddess that was perfect for Laurie and
Nancy trub Bellow even in the divorce was and he said,
I don't know what she's going to do with them.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Her children.
Speaker 16 (30:04):
I don't know if she's.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Going to flee with them, if she's going to hurt them.
Speaker 16 (30:07):
So he was worried about the safety of himself and
his children.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Very worried.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And as a matter of fact, she meets up with
Chad Daybill and what happens next listen.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Charles Vellow files for divorce in twenty nineteen. He claims
that Laurie views herself as a god and has said
she would kill him if he ever gets in her
way of preparing for the second Coming of Christ. The
morning of July eleventh, Charles Vellow goes to Lourie's rental
home in Chandler, Arizona to pick up his son jaj
for school. Alex Cox, Laurie's brother, is also there. Within
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an hour, Valo is lying in a pool of blood,
shot by Alex Cox. Cox claims self defense and is
not charged. Laurie marries Chad day Bell.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
To Rex Connor, joining us Laurie Valo's uncle and host
of silver Lining things. Tell me your understanding of how
Calman Laurie Valo meets Chad day Bail and what ensues.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Well, they were both interested before they met in this
into the world stuff, the so called doomsday doomsday stuff,
and so they met at a conference of people that
get together and talk about preparing for the end of
the world. Not a popular thing amongst most people, but
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there is a group that meets and talks about it.
So when they met, I like the way her brother
Adam the Good Brother, describes it. When they met, it
was the perfect storm. He just appealed to just what
she wanted, She appealed to what he wanted, and they
allowed themselves this alternative reality that they created together and
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just ran with it as just a perfect storm of evil.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Also jet to mean Rich Robertson Arizona PI for Brandon Bougereau,
who almost ended up dead at the behest of Lori
Valo according to police. What do you make of her
relationship which had dabail and the subsequent murder of Charles Valley, Well, they.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Were certainly infatuated with each other for whatever reasons. There
was talk that she was she was definitely having an
affair with with Chad prior to the time that Charles
filed a divorced I think that was one of the
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reasons he did it, and she was in his group.
The prepare of people. She was kind of a sub
section of all of that, and Chad Daball was had
ideas that she glommed onto, and she was doing podcasts
(32:59):
herself along with some others in support of all that,
and somehow came to subscribe to all of these kind
of strange beliefs about dark spirits and becoming a god herself.
And it sure looked like they were trying to get
rid of things that were holding them back. All of
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these murders happened in a very short period of time
in twenty nineteen, and she cleared the decks of her
husband and that her kids, and then he cleared the
decks of his wife, and then they went after Brandon.
So it was all very very quick that was happening.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Joining me is doctor Todd Barr, Board certified anatomic clinical
forensic pathologist. He's featured in Thin Places Essays from in Between,
Doctor Barr, it's great to have you on with us.
I want to talk about Charles Valo. We now know
that he was shot, He fell to the ground, most
likely was still alive, and Alex Cox and or Lorie
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Valo comes up to him and shoots him again as
he's on the ground, the bullet getting wedged in the
floor underneath him, Doctor Barr, knowing that he was very
likely still alive from the first shot, what did he
endure before that second shot?
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Well, he would have been, you know, losing blood along
the way, and I'm not sure what injuries he sustained,
but it seems like it was not initially a terminal
or a fatal wound, so that he was slowly bleeding out.
And what he would be doing is he would be
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suffering from the pain of whatever areas were hit by
that first initial bullet, and then he would be also
starting to lose consciousness from the loss of blood. So
he's becoming hypoxic, meaning he's not getting any oxygen to
his brain or to his vital organs. So he's literally
just hanging on by a thread, suffering in pain and
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losing consciousness.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
When he looks up and the last thing he sees
is Alex Cox and or Coltman Laurie Valo standing over
him with a gun.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Can he make it out? Doctor? Could he see that?
Speaker 7 (35:25):
He definitely could have seen that. I mean if he
if he was if he was conscious and he opened
his eyes, he would have seen that gun pointed at him.
I mean this is this is like an execution style killing.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
And now to the most recent conviction, coltman Laurie Valo
convicted of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband, Brandon
Booj And you know Chris McDonough joining me, Director Cold
Case Foundation, former homicide detective. You can find him at
colcaysefoundation dot org or his YouTube channel, The Interview Room.
(36:14):
Let's don't forget that there is another victim in this case.
His name is Brandon Boudreau and it's just an angel
in his on his shoulder that kept him from also
being a coltman Laurie Valo orchestrated murder.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Listen to this, Chris McDonough our cut five three, seven,
nine one one.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Where's your emergency?
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Someone just shot my window. Ok I'm in the cool
stable way, but I can see them driving off.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Okay, someone shot at your vehicle.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
Yeah, it hit my window, shattered my driver's side window.
Okay when you pulled into his driveway and I was
trying to pull in my driveway. All right, A little
uugh buh. They just drove off my thromb drive off.
Speaker 9 (37:07):
Okay, do you know who these people are.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
I have no idea. I moved into a new home
about a week.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Well, we figured out who it was. Chris McDonough.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Are you surprised that there's yet another intended murder victim?
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Not at all, Nancy. And in fact, if you listen
to that call, right as we listened to that call,
he's saying they them. So there's more than one.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Rich Robertson the PI for Brandon Boudreau, who was this
close to getting murdered orchestrated by Lori Valo. Question, do you,
Rich Robertson, why the cult mom Laurie Valo want Brandon dead?
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Well, that's gonna be an interesting question. Brandon's wife at
the time, Melody, is Lori Valo's niece, and they were
She had become part of that group and she was
involved in in the same belief system she and it
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was creating a lot of family tension. So Brandon was
upset that his wife was being sucked down this rabbit
hole that Laurie had got her involved in. And it
certainly appears that Laurie was helping quote unquote her niece
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deal with this problem, and her problem.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Was Brandon question to you, who do you believe was
involved in taking a shot at Brandon Bedrive.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Well, I have no doubt it was Alex Cox in
the back in the jeep that day. Why Well, all
the evidence suggests that in all the travel and that
was that was going on. I think the evidence is
going to show as I understand what's been collected, and
this is a lot of electronics communications going on between
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Alex and Laurie and at the time of the shooting.
And I'm sure that there are some cell tower type
of records that are going to place Alex at or
near that that crime scene. So I think there's there's
gonna be a lot of corroboration for who was saying
what and where they were at.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
The time, and what type of vehicle was driving this.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
This jeep that he was driving was actually Charles Vallas vehicle.
He had given it to Tyley. It still had Texas
plates on it. And and after Charles's death in July,
the shooting at Brandon occurred in October, and that jeep
(39:49):
had been up to Rexburg and then back again and
h they were there was I mean, all this was
kind of put together later, but that was the view
that Brandon kind of recognized he saw that vehicle, he
was aware of it being Charles, and given the circumstances
(40:09):
of what happened to Charles, it certainly raised Brandon's suspicions
about who was responsible for this.
Speaker 12 (40:17):
Listen Lori Valo davel where's an Orange Maricopa County jail uniform?
For her first Arizona court appearance. She says little during
the brief arraignment, dating her name and date of birth.
When a judge asks, the court issues a not guilty
plea on her behalf.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Guys, take a listen to our cut five two three
Americapa County judge addressing cult mom Lourie vale Mornin.
Speaker 11 (40:40):
And Keith Terry and Dene Sukia behalf of this vala
who is president appearing in custody?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Thank you, Amana. Could you state your phone?
Speaker 9 (40:46):
Nay please, Lauri Valodeve and your data birth six twenty
six seventy three. And this is the time set for
the not guilty arrayment on each count.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
We'll start with number six.
Speaker 14 (41:01):
As to number six, man, you are before the court
on countant one, we'll enter a not guilty plea on
your behalf.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
On you ever reading, sir, so this value value. You
are appearing here on two cases.
Speaker 17 (41:14):
These are both grand jury wants. What that means is
that the grand jury here in Arizona has indicted you
on two charges. The first case is CR twenty twenty
two zero zero one two four to twosh zero zero one.
You're being charged in that case with one count of
conspiracy to commit first degree murder. It is a class
one felony committed on October the second of twenty nineteen.
(41:36):
The second case is CR twenty twenty one zero zero
one seven zero four dash zero zero one, and in
that case you're also being charged with one count of
conspiracy to commit first degree murder.
Speaker 6 (41:47):
It is also a class one felony.
Speaker 17 (41:49):
That offense allegedly occurred on July eleventh of twenty nineteen. Now,
I do have to advise you of your right to
have an attorney and the rights to remain silent. I
will appoint counsel for you in both cases.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Have a court tech coming up for you.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
It's called a not guilty arraiment hearing.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
In the last days A bombshell in the prosecution off
cult Mom Laurie Valo. A jury in Phoenix convicts cult
mom Laurie Valo, of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband,
Brandon Boudreau. Trust me, we ain't heard the last from
Colt mom Laurie Valo, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
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