September 22, 2023 • 44 mins
33-year-old Caitlyn Rose Case is a Louisiana native who recently moved to Colorado to live with her brother. Caitlyn made arrangements to buy a 2006 black GMC Envoy, so she takes a flight to Houma Louisiana, buys the vehicle, She's in constant contact with her parents throughout her travels. Early on, she tells family members the navigation system is giving her trouble and cell phone service is sporadic.
As Case travels through Texas, she calls her father around 5:00 pm. She is lost and
Gordon Case trys to talk his daughter back on course. She is traveling northbound on Highway 271, about 5 miles southwest of Bogata, Texas. Just after 5pm, Case's phone cuts out. Unable to reach Caitlyn, the family files a missing person's report with the Houma, Louisiana Police Department.
Cell tower tracking indicates that Caitlyn Case continues north toward Paris, Texas. Shortly after 7:00 pm, her cell phone pings to cell towers in Pattonville, Texas, and south of Paris. At 9:17 pm, a license plate reader captures her car leaving Paris on the south loop of Highway 286 and traveling northwest to FM 79. Her cell phone last pings to cell towers in Choctaw County, Oklahoma. Her vehicle is believed to have been travelling on Highway 271. A cell phone tower ping is recorded in Hugo, Oklahoma.
Case’s vehicle is found along the banks of the Kiamichi River, near Fort Towson, August 12, but where is Caitlyn?
No one has been named a suspect or person of interest in this case.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Gordon Case- Father of Caitlyn- https://findcaitlyn.com/
- Peggy Case- Mother of Caitlyn https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-us-find-caitlyn
- Joshua Ritter - Criminal defense attorney, former Los Angeles County deputy district attorney, partner at El Dabe Ritter Trial Lawyers, , Twitter @joshuaritteresq, joshuaritter.com
- Dr. Angela Arnold-Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA, AngelaArnoldMD.com, Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital, Voted My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice of 2023
- Brian Fitzgibbons- VP Operation,s USPA Nationwide Security, uspasecurity.com, Instagram: @uspa_nationwide_security, Kingsman Philanthropic's 2022 rescue missions of women and children in Ukraine, Iraq War Veteran
- Toney Wade- Commander, Cajun Coast Search and Rescue Team, Facebook.com/CajunCoastSAR, cajuncoastk9sar.com
- Nic Huber- Staff Reporter for The Paris News, theparisnews.com
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
A beautiful young woman sets out cross country, taking her
vehicle from home all the way to Colorado at her
new place with her brother. She speaks to her mom
and dad all along the route until suddenly her.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Phone goes dead.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
She's cut off, and then her car is found believe
it or not, up in a tree, the windows up,
both her cell phones and all of her belongings in the.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Car, but no Caitlin.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Authorities convinced she was not in that view vehicle when
someone eased it down a river embankment.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Thank you for being with us here at Foxcination and
Serious XM one eleven. Evidence shows she was never in
that car when it was eased down a river bank
and now her mom and dad joining us right now
(01:28):
fear their girl has been sex trafficked. I'm Nancy Grace,
this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
here at Foxcination in Serious XM one eleven. You know
when I actually investigated and prosecuted my first sex trafficking case,
we called it at that time statutory rape because that
(01:51):
particular victim was thirteen and the notion of sex trafficking.
Stealing a human and turning them into a sex slave
far away from their home was unheard of, but it
was happening under our noses, and it's happening right now.
(02:14):
But first of all, let's not put the cart before
the horse. Where is Caitlin? Take a listen to our
friends at crime online.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Caitlin Rose Case is a Louisiana native, but recently she
moved to Colorado, where family members live. Caitlin works as
a technical mechanic. Caitlin made arrangements to buy a two
thousand and six Blanck GMC envoy, so she takes a
flight to whom a Louisiana buys the vehicle and then
begins to drive the vehicle back home to Colorado as
she is going to be on the road alone. The
(02:45):
family is in constant contact with her throughout her travels,
according to Kaitlin Case's mother on definedkaitlin dot com website,
she tells family members the navigation system is giving her
trouble and cell phone service is sporadic.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Going across country, but staying in touch with her family
every leg of the trip and more.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Caitlin Case travels through Texas and stopping at convenience stories
in the cities of Mount Pleasant, Louisville, and Paris, Texas.
Caitlin Case calls her father around five pm. According to
Kaitlin Case's mother, she's gotten lost in the rural areas
of Texas and he is trying to talk to her
through away back to the main road. She's traveling northbound
on Highway two seventy one, about five miles southwest of Bogata, Texas,
(03:29):
when just after five pm, Caitlyn Case's phone cuts out.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
With me and All Star panel to make sense of
what we know about Caitlin's disappearance, But first I want
to go to two very special guests joining us right now,
Peggy and Gordon Case, Caitlin's mother and father.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
First to you, mister Case, do.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You remember that phone call around five pm when Caitlyn's
phone cut out?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I do, What were you guys talking about?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Well, that's king of what her location was. He was
telling me that she was passing some dairy farm or
some type of farm, which is that area. Is a
lot of cattle in the area, and she was telling
me that she was you know, she was just going
by the and she didn't sound you know, too too worried.
She sounded very quiet, which I kind of felt, you know,
(04:21):
I don't know, she's very quiet. But anyway, we did speak.
She was telling me that she was on some road
with you know, passing up some cattle. And we're on
the phone for about seven minutes, and I could barely
hear her because she was on a gravel road. Apparently
her windows were down because she didn't have any air
condition in that vehicle. And anyways, we talked, and that's
(04:42):
basically all we were saying, and I could barely hear
her through all the noise from the gravel road. And
then our phone was disconnected and I tried calling her
back and I never was able to reach her again.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
In addition to Caitlin's dad, Gordon Case, Peggy Case, her
mother is with us, Miss Case, thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Got a quot question. So she was driving from where
to where she.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Left from our home in Home, Louisiana, and she was
going to black Hawk, Colorado, where my son. She had
moved to black Hawk, Colorado and moved within with her brothers,
and I had a job, and when she had enough money,
she got a plane and came down to get the car,
(05:26):
and she's very accustomed to traveling by herself, and she's
very very good at navigations.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Let me ask you, was she stopping along the way
or was she trying to drive straight through?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
What was her plan?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
What I do know is she was going to drive,
you know, but she got too tired. She was going
to because it's about a twenty something hour drive. If
she got too tired, she was going to you know,
get in a bit of room. But the last time
we spoke to her, which as Gordon mentioned, was around
five in the five or six in the afternoon, and
(06:04):
that was the last time we were able to get
in touch with her. But that wasn't unusual in that area.
The phone, you know, when we were texting, when we
were well, when we were calling, the phone would just
ring and ring and ring, and then she'd pick up.
Even so, the service cell service is very spotty in that.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Area, mister case. Yes, how long had she been driving?
How many days? How many hours? At your best guess
that day at five.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Pm, probably.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Seven seven, eight hours, seven hours.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Had she stopped anywhere along the way, Had she stayed
overnight at any hotel or motel? Had she stopped for gas,
had she gone to a convenience store.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
To your knowledge, she did stop for gas at a
couple places. When I was finally in contact with her
early in the afternoon, about one o'clock or so, she
was in Gilmour, Texas, and that's when I started to
navigate her up to two seventy one to get her
up through you know, to get her on.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
The route, to get her out of that area.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
But we were on the phone at in Gilmour, and
then we were also on the phone a couple hours
later when she got to Mount Pleasant, and then when
she got to Mount Pleasant, she you know, she ended up.
We got her back on the road again, and then
you know, of course in Bogata, we were on the
phone again when she was in those solar field areas
where we lost connection to.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Brian Fitzgibbons joining us VP of Operations at USPA Nationwide Security.
You can find Brian at USPA security dot com.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I want to point out also.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
He was part of the Kingsman philanthropic rescue missions of
women and children in Ukraine. He is an Iraqi war veteran.
This guy's seen it all, Brian Fitzgibbons. I'm sure you've
already figured out why I'm asking if she was stopping
(08:08):
along the way at gas stations, at hotels where a
predator would have seen her driving, you'd see the tags
on the car. See she was heading somewhere. See she's
from out of state and she's alone.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Absolutely, Nancy, And that's something that you know, Gordon and
Peggy have done a tremendous job of piecing together her
credit card transactions as well as from OSBI the cell
phone data of where she stopped, when she stopped, and
we have a decent timeline to say for how long. Now,
(08:48):
the timeline doesn't help us exclude that those interactions could happen.
And to your point, that's got to be our greatest
fear that somewhere along the way someone realized that she's
going to be in these areas have very limited cell
coverage and is alone. And I want to add one
piece to that cell coverage in those hours that Gordon
(09:12):
was just describing. To paint this picture a little bit more,
you have to imagine she's using maps on her phone
that as she loses data connection, she may have no
maps for hours at a time. Where Gordon was communicating
with her to send screenshots of where to go. So
(09:33):
it's a particularly harrowing scenario for a woman, a beautiful
young woman, alone in that remote of an area.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And I've been there.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I've been there where your NAV system goes down, and
I called my husband and asked him to pull it
up on his phone to tell me where was I.
Especially in rural area where you don't see landmarks, there's
not a gas station on the corner, there's not street
crossings that you can say, Hey, I'm at the corner.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Of first Street in Elm.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's impossible, and you're stuck and you can't just sit there.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You got to go forward.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's the position in which Caitlin rose Case finds herself
on a long, long trip across country.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
No one has been named a suspect or person of
interest in the disappearance of Caitlyn rose Case.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we a piece together some
of her route. Will it help us listen to our
friends at crime Online.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
After the call with her father, Kaitlyn Case continues driving.
Cell tower tracking indicates that Caitlyn Case continues northward Paris, Texas.
Shortly after seven pm, her cell phone pings to cell
towers in Pattonville, Texas and south of Paris. At nine
to seventeen PM, a license plate reader captures her car
leaving Paris on the south loop of Highway to eighty
six and traveling northwest FM seventy nine. Her cell phone
(11:15):
last pings to sell towers in Chalkdaw County, Oklahoma. Her
vehicle is believed to have been traveling on Highway two
seventy one. According to Kaitlin Case's mother on defined kaitlin
dot com website, a cell phone tower ping is recorded
in Hugo, Oklahoma. The Oklahoma Missing Persons Department immediately deploys
a search team to that area.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Joining me right now is Nick Huber, investigative reporter for
the Paris News. Nick, thank you for being with us.
I'm not that familiar with Hugo, Oklahoma. What if anything
do we know about it.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
It's a small town in Chalkdaw County, which is part
of the Chalkdown Nation. Fairly small, fairly remote.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Okay, this is what I know.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Following up on Nick Huber's comments with The Paris News,
I know that Hugo is in Choctaw County. As Nick
just told us, Southeastern Oklahoma, nine miles north of the
Texas state line. So she had just crossed from Texas
(12:17):
into Oklahoma. And the entire population of Hugo is about
five thousand people, and that has spread out over Choctow County.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Now why is that important to me?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's important to me because that tells me I'm not
going to have a lot of witnesses that saw her.
I'm not going to have a witness that can place somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Following her, someone that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
She was speaking to asking for directions. I'm not going
to find a witness. I've got to accept that. But
let's take a look at what we know about her movements.
Back to mister and missus case Gordon and Peggy Case.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So the phone last.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Ping is in Hugo, Oklahoma, and she's made it out
of Texas. Has she ever been in Chalktown County or
in that area before Peggy that we know of to
my knowledge?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
No, what about it, Gordon, No, she'd never been in
that area ever.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
And I might want to add, there's no proof my
daughter ever made it out.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Of out of uh Paris, Texas. She never was in
control of that vehicle. There's no there's no way, the
way the the way that the the traveling that we
have on record. My daughter was not in control of
that vehicle going into Paris, Texas. Whatever happened to my
daughter happened in the in the in the Pagoda between
the Pagoda and Jennings area.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
This week, we're this, We're guarant this. I can guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Okay, you are just giving me a whole another viewpoint. Yes, ma'am,
because I was thinking she was in the car until
somebody east down the bank of that river.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
No, I found her vehicle. Both her phones were in
the vehicle. The vehicle never made it into the river.
It got caught between two trees.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Her phones were in the vehicle.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Her vehicle was locked up, the windows were locked up,
it was in neutral, the key was on. She was
not in the vehicle. We know nobody was in that vehicle.
The airplags didn't employed with the d air bags, and
you could tell the vehicle had been manually pushed down
that hills to go into that river on that property.
There's a lot of information that I don't know what
(14:34):
you do or don't.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Have you tell me what you found.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
What I found was my oldest son got in and
Peggy got her Mom got the cell.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Phone app from Samsung to find my phone. Caitlin had
set that up.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
We got a ping on the location where her vehicle was,
and it was on the George Harrington's property up there
at Fort Colston, Oklahoma, behind a locked gate, and I
was told by the local Hugo department that we were
going to get in, that he was going there immediately.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
I was still in Paris, Texas. I asked him.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I said, well, can I meet you up there? He goes, well,
why don't you just sit still and we'll let you
know if you need to come up here if we
find anything.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Well, I didn't sit still. I drove up there.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
He said he was on his way.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
He was a mile away. I was thirty miles away.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I got there before him by ten minutes. We finally
got onto the property and during our search in that afternoon,
I was able to locate her vehicle. Just walked right
into it. It was on its side and it was
ready to go down the embankment. All the windows were
locked up, everything was shut tight. We didn't know if
she was in it or not. We finally got the
(15:39):
door open, we realized she wasn't in it. And anyways,
all her stuff, one of her, everything she owned was
in it, including the shoes she was wearing. The pants
she was wearing were inside out across the center console.
The people that live there are Will Harrington and his wife,
Haley Harrington. There are the son and daughter in law
(16:02):
of George and Elizabeth Harrington that owned the property. That
the wife told us repeatedly that at eleven o'clock on
that night, on the fifth, that two vehicles entered her
property at a high rate of speed.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
And then she.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Heard the dogs bark, and she looked out the window
and saw these cars come on to her property, dust flying, whatever,
and then the dejected and then she said, a little
while later the dogs barked again, only one car was
exiting their property at a high rate of speed. The
detective asked her directly, are you sure of the time?
She said, absolutely, it was eleven o'clock. Told us how
(16:38):
she went to dinner, her and her husband. They left
the gate wide open. They came home, and oh, they
forgot to leave the gate. They forgot to shut the gate.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
It was left wide open.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
So anyways, the vehicle left out of there at a
high rate of speed. He asked her, did you get
a license plate? She said no, it was moving so
fast and the dust was flying art to see with
the tail line. That was the event of that evening.
It went on to about eleven o'clock at night before
we excavated the vehicle from where it was lodged between
the trees, and there was a lot of forensic people there,
(17:10):
the crash crash guide, the pathologists and they were going
through the entire vehicle, and I took pictures as well.
And anyway, the next day we were supposed to show
up there with with the owner's consent, with a set
of dogs that Peggy had found. Caitlin's mom had set
up a dog search team when we got there that
the gate was locked. It was who were not going
(17:32):
to be able to get in. The wife said that
she that he never got up to look to see
who came onto that property that night, or did he
investigate the next day to see why only.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
One car left.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And that's when that's when that's when OSBI Oklahoma, your
investigations detective got involved. And then he he took that
story from from Will's wife, Haley Harrington, and say he
talked to the husband. The husband got up and he
said he only saw one car enter. Well, then when
(18:03):
I said, well, why wouldn't you get up to see
who was entering your poppy at eleven o'clock, then he said,
I'm not going to argue with Gordon.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
There was only one car.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
That came in there. And then it went from the
one car to there was no car. No, he didn't
see any car.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
It was real quiet that night.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
There was nothing going on, no car, no nothing. He
didn't see anything at the end of his story, and
he already got done telling PEG's Peggy that you know,
he was kind enough to take him back there and
show him the set of second set of vehicle tires
that had left the property. Right, So then it went
from all that to absolutely seeing nothing. And that's when
(18:39):
I knew things were not going to go right. So,
I mean, I could go on and on and on
for a long time about what's going on up there.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I want to hear every single thing. But the first
thing I want to do is get back to you
are in Texas, you are using find my iPhone app
and you realize where she is and you call police.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Is that right? Is that how that started?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
You asked them to meet you, and they tell you
to stay put, but you don't stay put. You go
thirty miles and you get there first, tell me about
how you found her car. And it's the car and
the phone in the car, two phones, all of her belongings.
And interestingly, she's only been gone, you know, when she
(19:27):
was calling you anyway, seven or eight hours.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
The clothes she had on.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
When you last saw her, the pants are inside out,
lying across the console of the car. Even her shoes
are left behind.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Is that right, Yes, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
And the car is locked in.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
The car was well that We actually got intrough the
back door, but the windows were completely rolled up tight
and there was no air conditioning in that vehicle. So
it was eighty something degrees in Texas that evening all
that day. She did not drive around in Texas where
her windows rolled up in the middle of that heat
with no air conditioning. And if she crashed the car,
which she did not, she was not in that vehicle.
(20:10):
She would have never rolled the vehicle the windows up
when she left. She wasn't parking at Walmart. She just
crashed the car. She would not be concerned about that,
but they never found any fingerprints. Not only like two
fingerprints are hers in the entire vehicle.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So the vehicle was wiped down. And it's your theory.
She was not the one that drove the car. Absolutely, Now,
how is a car in a tree?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Well, what happened was is it went down the only
hill on their property, the only place that you could
launch a vehicle on its own that would go down
that bar was that right where the vehicle was. And
that vehicle what happened was it was putting neutral and
it was so when neutral and the key was on,
so the steering wasn't locked. It went down the hill
and it went over a little knoll and it hit
a tree route and it spun that front tire sideways,
(20:54):
and it spun the whole vehicle sideways, and it caught
between two little tiny trees no more than eight inches
or something, or you know in Diana, real small sapling trees,
and these it caught her back bumper, her back tail
hitch in the front of the vehicle, and it kept
it from going over into the river. They wanted it
(21:16):
to go in the river. But the thing is is
that there was no water at the bottom of that
embankment for another twenty feet. It was a fallen tree,
so it probably never would have made it into the
river to begin with.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But somebody had to know that layout of that land.
If that was the only hill down which you could
push the car. This is reminding me of Susan Smith.
Do you remember when she locked her sons in the
car in the seat belts and then pushed the car
into the water.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So, Brian Fitzgibbons joining.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Us from USPA Security, she never was in the car
because when you first hear about the case, her vehicle
has gone down into a river. Her cell phone is
in there. She crashed, that's what you think. But it's
nothing of.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
The sort, absolutely, Nancy. And to your point that the
media could create a big misconception here with some of
these news articles that have come out about the case.
I means, as Gordon mentioned, this is the only hill
on that private property.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
You would have to know about that.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
This is a very remote land out there, a lot
of farmland, private off of a private road. It's not
like she just drove off of the interstate into a river. Okay.
This vehicle went to a spot to be disposed of
and Caitlin was not in that vehicle when that took place,
(22:43):
so whoever disposed of it knew that this was a
spot that they could launch the vehicle into the into
the river from.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Okay, nobody's been named a person of interest or suspect.
Take a list as our cut Ten, our friend Dave Mack.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
According to Kaitlin Case's mother on the find Kaitlin dot
com website, Caitlin's vehicle was discovered behind a private gated
property at approximately three to four pm on August twelfth.
It appears that someone was attempting to dispose of the
vehicle in the Kiamichi River. However, the attempt to get
rid of the vehicle failed. In the course of traveling
(23:16):
toward the path of the river embankment, the vehicle became
cradled in between two small trees overhanging a seventy five
foot cliff. No one has been named a suspect or
person of interest in the disappearance of Caitlin Rose Case.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. A seventy five foot cliff?
To you, mister Case, is that the way it really was?
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
It well, it wasn't like a straight down cliff, but
it was on an embankment. From about the point where
the vehicle was on its side, caught in those trees,
it would have been about seventy feet actually to the river. Yeah,
that's that's how I found it.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And I guess at that time of the night whoever
eased the car down there had no idea it didn't
go all the way down to the bottom.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Well, it's my theory that they probably did, and that's
why they got out of their fast, you know. They
they came in that they.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Absolutely knew the property. There's no way they.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Would have found that hill behind that barn.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
If they didn't. And also when you travel on to
that property, there's.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
A lot of machinery that was there, the farm equipment
that was in tall grass, and if there was somebody
who didn't know their way around that property, they would
have probably crashed in that. If they were coming in
at a high right rate of speed, they knew exactly
where to turn behind the hay barn to find that
hill to launch that vehicle.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
And when in the.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Miss Haley Harrington said that that vehicle, she said it
was there a little a little while a little while
later I heard the dog's bar. We don't know, because
nobody's ever asked this woman how along that vehicle was there.
Matter of fact, the Bureau of Investigations detectives tried to
make that out like it never happened. The Bureau of
Investigations detective theory was is that, well, we think she
(25:11):
got out of the vehicle and she got eaten by
wild hogs and the end, the tracking dogs would not
be able to get her sent if she was torn
to pieces.
Speaker 9 (25:20):
That's what he.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Told my daughter's mother.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
And then the second theory was is that she made
it out of there and she walked down to the
main road, which is two miles in the pitch black
by a bunch of wild dogs in the street, and
got down there and hitch Ike got out of there
what with no shoes, no pants, no clothes. That never happened.
And I tell you what Paris Police Department detective over there,
he absolutely will do nothing to help us. He was
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originally contacted by the Attorney General's Office in Louisiana. At
first he was super nice and all of a sudden
he quit textinging. He know, no contact with him at all.
Another one, Lamar Sheriff's Department, absolutely nothing would not return
my calls. I finally told him I'm going national with this.
He called me within two days to find out what
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was going on, said he was going to call the FBI,
knew somebody. He never did nothing. He just wanted to
see what I knew and how mad I was. And
believe me, I'm furious. I've contacted the governor's office in
both states, the Texas and Oklahoma. I've contacted the attorney
generals in both those states. I have gotten no response
from anybody. And Hugo Police Department, the detective that was
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there the night that we found the vehicle blocked my
phone and told me to call the mar Sheriff's department.
Why would I call the mar Sheriff's department. It's her
course found in Port Post and Oklahoma. So this is
what I'm dealing with over there. And also I wanted
footage from Bagoda where she was. We actually got a
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witness that talked to my daughter in Bagoda, Texas the
day she went missing. Police never investigated. Told that police
department she didn't spend any money in your town, so.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
There's no need to look for her. And when I.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Because I spoke to a police officer there, and that's
exactly what he told me.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
This sounds like a horrible cover up.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Tell me about the witness that saw her in Pagoda, Texas.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
She works a it's a female. She works at the
She works at the Dollar General. I guess this is
all we know at this point. They're still trying to
locate her because they talked to another girl that you know,
said that that's what you know. She spoke to my
daughter that day and she actually said she was coming
back to the store, and she left and never came back.
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But I I asked day one, I said, you know,
will you go back and check the footage and those
stores and at Pagoda there's only a couple of stores there.
He got furious with me. He said, no way am
I going back there. We got her in Para.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Sexs, there's no need to go do that.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Well, guess what she was in that town and if
they looked at the footage, they would have seen her
there and maybe somebody with her or followed her out
or something. But he didn't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And that's the Dollar General in Pagoda, Texas, right and gooda?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
And when was she and Pagoda.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
She was at Bagoda right there, right before she talked
to me at five thirty. She would have came out
of Bagoda right around that time, just before that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Joining me is Josh Ritter, high profile criminal defense attorney,
former prosecutor in LA at Joshuillridder dot com.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Josh, what do you do when police?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And it pains me to say this as a veteran prosecutor,
when police won't do their job, something stinks.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (28:38):
Absolutely. First of all, I want to applaud you, a
mister Case. It's only through your kind of dogged determination.
I think that this case is continuing to get the
attention that it is, and I think that I agree
with you, Nancy. I'm you know, as a former prosecutor,
I consider myself former law enforcement. I have a lot
of respect for people who are involved in that field.
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But theories something wrong here, especially when you're hearing that
the family members are the ones who are doing the
lion's share of the work here. All of this information
that we're finding out today certainly hasn't been accurately reported
in the media as of the reports that I've been
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able to read. So we're getting a lot of information
that seems like there is more to go on than
at first one might think. I mean, we have it
sounds like the thing that stands out most to me
is probably something that's very simple, but I think could
be hugely impactful. Is the idea that there were two
people out there at that location. If we can believe
the witness who said that there were two vehicles and
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only one returning the way that it's been described, that
the car was in neutral and intentionally pushed off of
that hill, it sounds like there's a couple of people involved,
which to me means there's a couple of people out
there with information and they're going to have a hard
time keeping their mouth shut. If the family members and Gordon, again,
I salute who continued to press upon this case and
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press upon law enforcement, I am very hopeful that some
sort of break is going to be coming shortly in
this case.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
Yeah, we appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
A disappearance like this is hard enough to solve, as
it is much less without proper police work.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Take a listen hour cut twelve.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
According to Kaitlin's mother, Caitlin Rose, Cases, vehicle landed at
the final destination according to GPS hit Gmail at eleven
forty six pm August fifth, once the vehicle was found.
According to Caitlin's mother, the Hugo Police Department detectives and
the OSBI failed to secure the property or treat the
area as a crime scene when that vehicle was located.
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On August twelfth. Officially, Caitlin Case's vehicle, a two thousand
and six black GMC envoy with the Louisiana license plate,
was found abandoned behind a private gated property along a
steep embankment on the Kiamichi River near Frogville, Localoe. But
where is Caitlin Rose Case?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Why do many people believe Caitlin has been sex trafficked?
Take a listen howur cut twenty five crime online.
Speaker 11 (31:11):
As police search for Caitlyn Rose, two eyewitnesses come forward.
They tell police they believe they saw Case on August seventeenth,
This is five days after Case's car was found. She
was crying in the backseat of a disabled white suv.
It had been pushed from the road by two women
into a gas station in Paris, Texas. The witnesses said
there was a dark colored SUV that came to assist
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the disabled SUV to Peggy Case.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
This is Caitlin's mom. What do you make of that report?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
What do I make of it? Well, we have worked
on this, Gordon and has done the yeoman's share of
the work on this. But we've pulled together all this information.
I mean, I've tried to contact every police department BI.
I mean we spoke to FBI, you know, missing persons
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on and on. The list goes on and on, and
none of the local police departments wanted to cooperate us
with us at all. We provided them with the bank
statements like critical, you know, I went into the bank.
We filed the missing person's report on Saturday on the
on the August the sixth, Gordon and I we got
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the first cell tower ping on August the seventh, that Sunday.
We were at the police station around ten pm when
they got the first ping and it was in Hero, Oklahoma.
They immediately contacted missing persons in Oklahoma and Jim Parrish
is the person that manned that search around the cell towers.
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Like it was a six mile perimeter on the on
the western side I think they did first and in
the eastern side they did later. Six miles in the
opposite direction, and that was a core joint effort whoever,
whatever was, whatever agencies work with Oklahoma missing persons. But
two uh, there was supposedly dogs and drones and foot
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traffic and they found nothing.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Right, Gordon Case, let me ask you a question regarding
this most recent report that two witnesses come forward and
state they saw your daughter August seventeen, that would be
five days after her car was found crying in the
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back seat of a white suv pushed from the road
by two women into a gas station in Paris, and
that there was a dark colored suv that came to
assist the disabled white suv.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
What do you make of that?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, well, actually I was the found one that found
that report from that person. I was up there in
that area putting out flyers, and it just so happened
just before I would leaving something to go back to
this little restaurant and put a flyer there, and I did,
and I spoke to a couple of girls there and
left the flyer left. I left that area and went
back to Louisiana, which is about seven eight hours away,
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got back home. It was a Friday, and on the
very next day, Saturday, evening, I got a call from
this witness that had went to that restaurant. His wife
works there and they were having a birthday party and
he looked down and he saw that fire and he says,
holy crap, that's that girl we saw that night at
the gas station. He called me immediately off that fire
because we decided to put our own phone numbers on
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there because we knew the OSBI was not getting any
was not taking information because we had other witnesses come forward.
They never even checked into they contacted us to see
if OSBI ever contacted us, because they never contacted them,
and we have reports that they say they did, and
they did it and they were incredible and whatever excuse
they could make, but they never did. But I did
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talk to the guy and his name is Johnny Hall
and his wife and they were very nice people, and
I talked to him in length and he let me
record the conversation. And yes he did. He said he
saw my daughter one hundred percent on his mother's ashes. Now,
could he be wrong, maybe so, I don't know, but
he was. He swears that it was, and his wife
as well, and she was in a vehicle in the
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Cesscal gas station. Across from Walmart on the Paris Circle,
and he said he went up. The two girls were
pushing the broken down vehicle and she was in the vehicle.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
She was crying.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
He went up to her and he said, whatever is wrong.
He said, God's going to fix whatever your problem is.
And one girl came up behind him and said, oh,
she's crying because she's just far away from home. And
that was his story. And so I have that story.
And when we told so, I called up the Oklahoma
of Your Investigations head, head of person over there with
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that information, and she never would call me, never would
talk to me, and she gave the shed put that
call back to Oklahoma your Investigations detective, who in return
said he wasn't credible because, of course, again it was
way too long after the fact that that was incredible,
and we've had a lot of witnesses and a lot
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of information that insists that they're just not credible.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Why are you convinced as to the location where everything
went wrong for Caitlin, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Because, first of all, my daughter would as soon as
she got anywhere, she would have called me back if
once our phone drop, if she had car trouble, she
had any trouble at all.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
She would have been on the phone with me.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I texted her and told her it was getting late.
Because it was it was getting getting towards evening. She
would have needed to get a room at the Ilfen Paris, Texas.
I had looked on the map and looked at the town,
and I found a.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Place for her.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Never heard from her ever again. She would have never
not called me back. And there are a couple of
witnesses that flame saw her in Cunningham where she was
on the phone with me on that street, said she
turned around in his driveway, and then another one up
in Jennings. Well, it seems real odd that in between
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Cunningham and Jennings is property owned by the same people
where her vehicle was found. Really, personally, I think these
are smoking, mere witnesses to put her out of that area.
And he says that she went into Paris. Well, everybody agrees,
and other investigators agree that there's no way she was
in control of that vehicle and went through all that area.
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She didn't know the area. She started out at the
Civic Center, went all around Paris, ended back at the
Civic Center. She would have never done that. It would
have never happened. We have a lot of information.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So where do you pinpoint, Well, you believe your daughter
ran into.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Trouble, Well, I can't pinpoint it. It could have been
anywhere from Mount Pleasant on up. She might have met
maybe picked someone up, or someone was following her at
that point. She might have met somebody in Bagoda. You know,
maybe they talked with her, maybe she trusted them. I
don't know. I don't really know exactly all I know where.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I was told, where I was on the phone with.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Her, and after everything that the OSBI has given us
so far, which is bet bs, I do. I don't
even trust the Wi FI hits or any of the
information off of that. That was a typed out sheet
that my family and sent everybody out. They're not the
original records, phone records from the phone company. They are
typed out version of his version. I don't trust anything
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that man has to say. And I want to add
first of all, that Peggy has been a huge part
of this. We would not be anywhere without her. She's
the rock to this family period. So I want to
put that in there. And I also want to add
that from day one I asked him, I said well,
should we put up some flyers, some bulletins around Paris,
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Texas Loop. We have people that want to fund that.
Oh no, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
We don't know anything right now.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
And I said, well, how about how about if we
put out a reward. Oh no, We've never had anybody
come for a reward. I said, well, I'm going for three, right,
I said, well, how about a private investigator. Well, you
know we're working on a case right now.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
It's been over a year.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
We kind of classed with dev you know, they want.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
To solve it before us, and blah blah.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
We haven't solved that case at all.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
So let me understand.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
They don't want missing people flyers, they don't want a reward,
and they don't want you to hire a PI.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Did I get that right?
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Absolutely?
Speaker 9 (39:22):
You're right?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And who is this telling you that?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
The detective of Oklahoma Bureau of Investigation and I talked
to his supervisor. No word from him. I told him
about my concerns from the beginning. I've gotten nothing but
silence from him. From the head director over there OSBI,
they will tell us nothing.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
You know, Doctor Angie Arnold joining me, were now psychiatrists
out of Atlanta. When you're looking for your child and
even authorities are not helping you, that's got to be
the most disillusioning thing, and you feel totally defeated, but
they're not.
Speaker 12 (40:01):
Oh my god, I'll tell you something. First of all,
I'm so sorry that you are having to go through this,
but kudos to you for not letting the people that
are in charge hold you back from trying to find
your daughter. This is the most amazing story I've ever heard,
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isn't it for you? Nancy?
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I tell you, I'm just having a hard time accepting
that they're getting no help from anyone, especially in light
of these two civilians where her car is caught up
in a tree on their property, changing their stories. Their
stories change from two vehicles coming in to one vehicle
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to didn't they go to no vehicles coming in at
eleven o'clock the night before mister case.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Yeah, did didn't see anything?
Speaker 4 (40:52):
In the end yet not thinking okay.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
And the fact that her clothing was in the car,
her cell phones were in the car, her purse, everything
is in the car with the windows rolled up, and
a car that doesn't have air conditioned in that Texas heat.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Everything is all wrong.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I want to give you phone numbers and emails if
you want your voice to be heard. Paris, Texas PD
nine zero three seven eight four sixty six eight eight Bugatta,
Texas Police nine zero three sixty three two o seven
seven two.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
That's not all.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Lamar County Sheriff nine zero three seven three seven twenty
four hundred.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
The Oklahoma ag.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Four zero two five two one three nine two one.
The governor four zero five five two one two three
four two.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
What is happening?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Why is this case been handled the way it has
or miss handled?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Have you ever heard to.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
You, Tony Wade of a law officer saying you don't
need any missing person flyers, you don't need to put
out a reward, you don't need to hire a p
I've never heard of that in my life.
Speaker 9 (42:15):
It's actually ludicrous, you know. And Nancy, this reminds me
of a case that you and I actually done together
several years ago in Texas. No law enforcement wouldn't help us.
They even come to my hotel maximum glean Town. It
makes that's really no sense to me. There should be
a search form on that property, you know why. And
it happens more times than not, I can tell you
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thirty years of doing this now. There's a lot of
police departments who just don't want to get involved in
missing person's cases because they don't know how to handle
it begin with. But why try and stop what the
family's trying to do, putting out flyers or stop search
teams from coming in those things? That has never made
any such to me.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Man, I smell a rat. I smell a dead rat.
Nick Hebert joining us from the Paris News. What is
law enforcement telling you?
Speaker 8 (43:02):
They haven't told me anything. I've attempted to contact everyone
multiple times in the Lamar County Sheriff's office, Paris Police Department.
I've gotten confirmation there's an open investigation. But that's about
it as far as what anyone wants to say. You
can't request government records from OSBI, so it just it
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seems like it's a dead.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
End, a dead end.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Well, it's not a dead end right now, even though
it may seem that way. Guys, if you want to
help Gordon and Peggy Case find their daughter, go online
to find Kitlin dot com, c ai t l y N.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Caitlin with a C.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Or they're running out of money to search for their
daughter themselves. They're basically having to take on the government
to try and find what happened to their girl. There
is a GoFundMe, a GoFundMe dot com slash help us
Find Caitlin. Repeat gofund me dot com slash help us
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find Kitlan.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace reached down to the OSBI.
We were told this is an open case. Agents are
not at liberty to discuss the case. Park Police and
Bogata Police departments did not return our call. Hugo and
Huma Police Department said no one was available to speak
with us. No one has been named a suspect or
person of interest in the disappearance of Caitlin Rose case.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye FD
Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
A beautiful young woman sets out cross country, taking her
vehicle from home all the way to Colorado at her
new place with her brother. She speaks to her mom
and dad all along the route until suddenly her.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Phone goes dead.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
She's cut off, and then her car is found believe
it or not, up in a tree, the windows up,
both her cell phones and all of her belongings in the.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Car, but no Caitlin.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Authorities convinced she was not in that view vehicle when
someone eased it down a river embankment.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Thank you for being with us here at Foxcination and
Serious XM one eleven. Evidence shows she was never in
that car when it was eased down a river bank
and now her mom and dad joining us right now
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fear their girl has been sex trafficked. I'm Nancy Grace,
this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
here at Foxcination in Serious XM one eleven. You know
when I actually investigated and prosecuted my first sex trafficking case,
we called it at that time statutory rape because that
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particular victim was thirteen and the notion of sex trafficking.
Stealing a human and turning them into a sex slave
far away from their home was unheard of, but it
was happening under our noses, and it's happening right now.
(02:14):
But first of all, let's not put the cart before
the horse. Where is Caitlin? Take a listen to our
friends at crime online.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Caitlin Rose Case is a Louisiana native, but recently she
moved to Colorado, where family members live. Caitlin works as
a technical mechanic. Caitlin made arrangements to buy a two
thousand and six Blanck GMC envoy, so she takes a
flight to whom a Louisiana buys the vehicle and then
begins to drive the vehicle back home to Colorado as
she is going to be on the road alone. The
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family is in constant contact with her throughout her travels,
according to Kaitlin Case's mother on definedkaitlin dot com website,
she tells family members the navigation system is giving her
trouble and cell phone service is sporadic.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Going across country, but staying in touch with her family
every leg of the trip and more.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Caitlin Case travels through Texas and stopping at convenience stories
in the cities of Mount Pleasant, Louisville, and Paris, Texas.
Caitlin Case calls her father around five pm. According to
Kaitlin Case's mother, she's gotten lost in the rural areas
of Texas and he is trying to talk to her
through away back to the main road. She's traveling northbound
on Highway two seventy one, about five miles southwest of Bogata, Texas,
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when just after five pm, Caitlyn Case's phone cuts out.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
With me and All Star panel to make sense of
what we know about Caitlin's disappearance, But first I want
to go to two very special guests joining us right now,
Peggy and Gordon Case, Caitlin's mother and father.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
First to you, mister Case, do.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You remember that phone call around five pm when Caitlyn's
phone cut out?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I do, What were you guys talking about?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Well, that's king of what her location was. He was
telling me that she was passing some dairy farm or
some type of farm, which is that area. Is a
lot of cattle in the area, and she was telling
me that she was you know, she was just going
by the and she didn't sound you know, too too worried.
She sounded very quiet, which I kind of felt, you know,
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I don't know, she's very quiet. But anyway, we did speak.
She was telling me that she was on some road
with you know, passing up some cattle. And we're on
the phone for about seven minutes, and I could barely
hear her because she was on a gravel road. Apparently
her windows were down because she didn't have any air
condition in that vehicle. And anyways, we talked, and that's
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basically all we were saying, and I could barely hear
her through all the noise from the gravel road. And
then our phone was disconnected and I tried calling her
back and I never was able to reach her again.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
In addition to Caitlin's dad, Gordon Case, Peggy Case, her
mother is with us, Miss Case, thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Got a quot question. So she was driving from where
to where she.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Left from our home in Home, Louisiana, and she was
going to black Hawk, Colorado, where my son. She had
moved to black Hawk, Colorado and moved within with her brothers,
and I had a job, and when she had enough money,
she got a plane and came down to get the car,
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and she's very accustomed to traveling by herself, and she's
very very good at navigations.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Let me ask you, was she stopping along the way
or was she trying to drive straight through?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
What was her plan?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
What I do know is she was going to drive,
you know, but she got too tired. She was going
to because it's about a twenty something hour drive. If
she got too tired, she was going to you know,
get in a bit of room. But the last time
we spoke to her, which as Gordon mentioned, was around
five in the five or six in the afternoon, and
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that was the last time we were able to get
in touch with her. But that wasn't unusual in that area.
The phone, you know, when we were texting, when we
were well, when we were calling, the phone would just
ring and ring and ring, and then she'd pick up.
Even so, the service cell service is very spotty in that.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Area, mister case. Yes, how long had she been driving?
How many days? How many hours? At your best guess
that day at five.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Pm, probably.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Seven seven, eight hours, seven hours.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Had she stopped anywhere along the way, Had she stayed
overnight at any hotel or motel? Had she stopped for gas,
had she gone to a convenience store.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
To your knowledge, she did stop for gas at a
couple places. When I was finally in contact with her
early in the afternoon, about one o'clock or so, she
was in Gilmour, Texas, and that's when I started to
navigate her up to two seventy one to get her
up through you know, to get her on.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
The route, to get her out of that area.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
But we were on the phone at in Gilmour, and
then we were also on the phone a couple hours
later when she got to Mount Pleasant, and then when
she got to Mount Pleasant, she you know, she ended up.
We got her back on the road again, and then
you know, of course in Bogata, we were on the
phone again when she was in those solar field areas
where we lost connection to.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Brian Fitzgibbons joining us VP of Operations at USPA Nationwide Security.
You can find Brian at USPA security dot com.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I want to point out also.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
He was part of the Kingsman philanthropic rescue missions of
women and children in Ukraine. He is an Iraqi war veteran.
This guy's seen it all, Brian Fitzgibbons. I'm sure you've
already figured out why I'm asking if she was stopping
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along the way at gas stations, at hotels where a
predator would have seen her driving, you'd see the tags
on the car. See she was heading somewhere. See she's
from out of state and she's alone.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Absolutely, Nancy, And that's something that you know, Gordon and
Peggy have done a tremendous job of piecing together her
credit card transactions as well as from OSBI the cell
phone data of where she stopped, when she stopped, and
we have a decent timeline to say for how long. Now,
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the timeline doesn't help us exclude that those interactions could happen.
And to your point, that's got to be our greatest
fear that somewhere along the way someone realized that she's
going to be in these areas have very limited cell
coverage and is alone. And I want to add one
piece to that cell coverage in those hours that Gordon
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was just describing. To paint this picture a little bit more,
you have to imagine she's using maps on her phone
that as she loses data connection, she may have no
maps for hours at a time. Where Gordon was communicating
with her to send screenshots of where to go. So
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it's a particularly harrowing scenario for a woman, a beautiful
young woman, alone in that remote of an area.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And I've been there.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I've been there where your NAV system goes down, and
I called my husband and asked him to pull it
up on his phone to tell me where was I.
Especially in rural area where you don't see landmarks, there's
not a gas station on the corner, there's not street
crossings that you can say, Hey, I'm at the corner.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Of first Street in Elm.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's impossible, and you're stuck and you can't just sit there.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You got to go forward.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's the position in which Caitlin rose Case finds herself
on a long, long trip across country.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
No one has been named a suspect or person of
interest in the disappearance of Caitlyn rose Case.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we a piece together some
of her route. Will it help us listen to our
friends at crime Online.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
After the call with her father, Kaitlyn Case continues driving.
Cell tower tracking indicates that Caitlyn Case continues northward Paris, Texas.
Shortly after seven pm, her cell phone pings to cell
towers in Pattonville, Texas and south of Paris. At nine
to seventeen PM, a license plate reader captures her car
leaving Paris on the south loop of Highway to eighty
six and traveling northwest FM seventy nine. Her cell phone
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last pings to sell towers in Chalkdaw County, Oklahoma. Her
vehicle is believed to have been traveling on Highway two
seventy one. According to Kaitlin Case's mother on defined kaitlin
dot com website, a cell phone tower ping is recorded
in Hugo, Oklahoma. The Oklahoma Missing Persons Department immediately deploys
a search team to that area.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Joining me right now is Nick Huber, investigative reporter for
the Paris News. Nick, thank you for being with us.
I'm not that familiar with Hugo, Oklahoma. What if anything
do we know about it.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
It's a small town in Chalkdaw County, which is part
of the Chalkdown Nation. Fairly small, fairly remote.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Okay, this is what I know.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Following up on Nick Huber's comments with The Paris News,
I know that Hugo is in Choctaw County. As Nick
just told us, Southeastern Oklahoma, nine miles north of the
Texas state line. So she had just crossed from Texas
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into Oklahoma. And the entire population of Hugo is about
five thousand people, and that has spread out over Choctow County.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Now why is that important to me?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's important to me because that tells me I'm not
going to have a lot of witnesses that saw her.
I'm not going to have a witness that can place somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Following her, someone that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
She was speaking to asking for directions. I'm not going
to find a witness. I've got to accept that. But
let's take a look at what we know about her movements.
Back to mister and missus case Gordon and Peggy Case.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So the phone last.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Ping is in Hugo, Oklahoma, and she's made it out
of Texas. Has she ever been in Chalktown County or
in that area before Peggy that we know of to
my knowledge?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
No, what about it, Gordon, No, she'd never been in
that area ever.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
And I might want to add, there's no proof my
daughter ever made it out.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Of out of uh Paris, Texas. She never was in
control of that vehicle. There's no there's no way, the
way the the way that the the traveling that we
have on record. My daughter was not in control of
that vehicle going into Paris, Texas. Whatever happened to my
daughter happened in the in the in the Pagoda between
the Pagoda and Jennings area.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
This week, we're this, We're guarant this. I can guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Okay, you are just giving me a whole another viewpoint. Yes, ma'am,
because I was thinking she was in the car until
somebody east down the bank of that river.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
No, I found her vehicle. Both her phones were in
the vehicle. The vehicle never made it into the river.
It got caught between two trees.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Her phones were in the vehicle.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Her vehicle was locked up, the windows were locked up,
it was in neutral, the key was on. She was
not in the vehicle. We know nobody was in that vehicle.
The airplags didn't employed with the d air bags, and
you could tell the vehicle had been manually pushed down
that hills to go into that river on that property.
There's a lot of information that I don't know what
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you do or don't.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Have you tell me what you found.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
What I found was my oldest son got in and
Peggy got her Mom got the cell.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Phone app from Samsung to find my phone. Caitlin had
set that up.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
We got a ping on the location where her vehicle was,
and it was on the George Harrington's property up there
at Fort Colston, Oklahoma, behind a locked gate, and I
was told by the local Hugo department that we were
going to get in, that he was going there immediately.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
I was still in Paris, Texas. I asked him.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I said, well, can I meet you up there? He goes, well,
why don't you just sit still and we'll let you
know if you need to come up here if we
find anything.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Well, I didn't sit still. I drove up there.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
He said he was on his way.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
He was a mile away. I was thirty miles away.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I got there before him by ten minutes. We finally
got onto the property and during our search in that afternoon,
I was able to locate her vehicle. Just walked right
into it. It was on its side and it was
ready to go down the embankment. All the windows were
locked up, everything was shut tight. We didn't know if
she was in it or not. We finally got the
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door open, we realized she wasn't in it. And anyways,
all her stuff, one of her, everything she owned was
in it, including the shoes she was wearing. The pants
she was wearing were inside out across the center console.
The people that live there are Will Harrington and his wife,
Haley Harrington. There are the son and daughter in law
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of George and Elizabeth Harrington that owned the property. That
the wife told us repeatedly that at eleven o'clock on
that night, on the fifth, that two vehicles entered her
property at a high rate of speed.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
And then she.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Heard the dogs bark, and she looked out the window
and saw these cars come on to her property, dust flying, whatever,
and then the dejected and then she said, a little
while later the dogs barked again, only one car was
exiting their property at a high rate of speed. The
detective asked her directly, are you sure of the time?
She said, absolutely, it was eleven o'clock. Told us how
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she went to dinner, her and her husband. They left
the gate wide open. They came home, and oh, they
forgot to leave the gate. They forgot to shut the gate.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
It was left wide open.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
So anyways, the vehicle left out of there at a
high rate of speed. He asked her, did you get
a license plate? She said no, it was moving so
fast and the dust was flying art to see with
the tail line. That was the event of that evening.
It went on to about eleven o'clock at night before
we excavated the vehicle from where it was lodged between
the trees, and there was a lot of forensic people there,
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the crash crash guide, the pathologists and they were going
through the entire vehicle, and I took pictures as well.
And anyway, the next day we were supposed to show
up there with with the owner's consent, with a set
of dogs that Peggy had found. Caitlin's mom had set
up a dog search team when we got there that
the gate was locked. It was who were not going
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to be able to get in. The wife said that
she that he never got up to look to see
who came onto that property that night, or did he
investigate the next day to see why only.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
One car left.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And that's when that's when that's when OSBI Oklahoma, your
investigations detective got involved. And then he he took that
story from from Will's wife, Haley Harrington, and say he
talked to the husband. The husband got up and he
said he only saw one car enter. Well, then when
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I said, well, why wouldn't you get up to see
who was entering your poppy at eleven o'clock, then he said,
I'm not going to argue with Gordon.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
There was only one car.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
That came in there. And then it went from the
one car to there was no car. No, he didn't
see any car.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
It was real quiet that night.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
There was nothing going on, no car, no nothing. He
didn't see anything at the end of his story, and
he already got done telling PEG's Peggy that you know,
he was kind enough to take him back there and
show him the set of second set of vehicle tires
that had left the property. Right, So then it went
from all that to absolutely seeing nothing. And that's when
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I knew things were not going to go right. So,
I mean, I could go on and on and on
for a long time about what's going on up there.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I want to hear every single thing. But the first
thing I want to do is get back to you
are in Texas, you are using find my iPhone app
and you realize where she is and you call police.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Is that right? Is that how that started?
Speaker 6 (19:06):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
You asked them to meet you, and they tell you
to stay put, but you don't stay put. You go
thirty miles and you get there first, tell me about
how you found her car. And it's the car and
the phone in the car, two phones, all of her belongings.
And interestingly, she's only been gone, you know, when she
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was calling you anyway, seven or eight hours.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
The clothes she had on.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
When you last saw her, the pants are inside out,
lying across the console of the car. Even her shoes
are left behind.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Is that right, Yes, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
And the car is locked in.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
The car was well that We actually got intrough the
back door, but the windows were completely rolled up tight
and there was no air conditioning in that vehicle. So
it was eighty something degrees in Texas that evening all
that day. She did not drive around in Texas where
her windows rolled up in the middle of that heat
with no air conditioning. And if she crashed the car,
which she did not, she was not in that vehicle.
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She would have never rolled the vehicle the windows up
when she left. She wasn't parking at Walmart. She just
crashed the car. She would not be concerned about that,
but they never found any fingerprints. Not only like two
fingerprints are hers in the entire vehicle.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So the vehicle was wiped down. And it's your theory.
She was not the one that drove the car. Absolutely, Now,
how is a car in a tree?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Well, what happened was is it went down the only
hill on their property, the only place that you could
launch a vehicle on its own that would go down
that bar was that right where the vehicle was. And
that vehicle what happened was it was putting neutral and
it was so when neutral and the key was on,
so the steering wasn't locked. It went down the hill
and it went over a little knoll and it hit
a tree route and it spun that front tire sideways,
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and it spun the whole vehicle sideways, and it caught
between two little tiny trees no more than eight inches
or something, or you know in Diana, real small sapling trees,
and these it caught her back bumper, her back tail
hitch in the front of the vehicle, and it kept
it from going over into the river. They wanted it
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to go in the river. But the thing is is
that there was no water at the bottom of that
embankment for another twenty feet. It was a fallen tree,
so it probably never would have made it into the
river to begin with.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But somebody had to know that layout of that land.
If that was the only hill down which you could
push the car. This is reminding me of Susan Smith.
Do you remember when she locked her sons in the
car in the seat belts and then pushed the car
into the water.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So, Brian Fitzgibbons joining.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Us from USPA Security, she never was in the car
because when you first hear about the case, her vehicle
has gone down into a river. Her cell phone is
in there. She crashed, that's what you think. But it's
nothing of.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
The sort, absolutely, Nancy. And to your point that the
media could create a big misconception here with some of
these news articles that have come out about the case.
I means, as Gordon mentioned, this is the only hill
on that private property.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
You would have to know about that.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
This is a very remote land out there, a lot
of farmland, private off of a private road. It's not
like she just drove off of the interstate into a river. Okay.
This vehicle went to a spot to be disposed of
and Caitlin was not in that vehicle when that took place,
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so whoever disposed of it knew that this was a
spot that they could launch the vehicle into the into
the river from.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Okay, nobody's been named a person of interest or suspect.
Take a list as our cut Ten, our friend Dave Mack.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
According to Kaitlin Case's mother on the find Kaitlin dot
com website, Caitlin's vehicle was discovered behind a private gated
property at approximately three to four pm on August twelfth.
It appears that someone was attempting to dispose of the
vehicle in the Kiamichi River. However, the attempt to get
rid of the vehicle failed. In the course of traveling
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toward the path of the river embankment, the vehicle became
cradled in between two small trees overhanging a seventy five
foot cliff. No one has been named a suspect or
person of interest in the disappearance of Caitlin Rose Case.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. A seventy five foot cliff?
To you, mister Case, is that the way it really was?
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
It well, it wasn't like a straight down cliff, but
it was on an embankment. From about the point where
the vehicle was on its side, caught in those trees,
it would have been about seventy feet actually to the river. Yeah,
that's that's how I found it.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And I guess at that time of the night whoever
eased the car down there had no idea it didn't
go all the way down to the bottom.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Well, it's my theory that they probably did, and that's
why they got out of their fast, you know. They
they came in that they.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
Absolutely knew the property. There's no way they.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Would have found that hill behind that barn.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
If they didn't. And also when you travel on to
that property, there's.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
A lot of machinery that was there, the farm equipment
that was in tall grass, and if there was somebody
who didn't know their way around that property, they would
have probably crashed in that. If they were coming in
at a high right rate of speed, they knew exactly
where to turn behind the hay barn to find that
hill to launch that vehicle.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
And when in the.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Miss Haley Harrington said that that vehicle, she said it
was there a little a little while a little while
later I heard the dog's bar. We don't know, because
nobody's ever asked this woman how along that vehicle was there.
Matter of fact, the Bureau of Investigations detectives tried to
make that out like it never happened. The Bureau of
Investigations detective theory was is that, well, we think she
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got out of the vehicle and she got eaten by
wild hogs and the end, the tracking dogs would not
be able to get her sent if she was torn
to pieces.
Speaker 9 (25:20):
That's what he.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Told my daughter's mother.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
And then the second theory was is that she made
it out of there and she walked down to the
main road, which is two miles in the pitch black
by a bunch of wild dogs in the street, and
got down there and hitch Ike got out of there
what with no shoes, no pants, no clothes. That never happened.
And I tell you what Paris Police Department detective over there,
he absolutely will do nothing to help us. He was
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originally contacted by the Attorney General's Office in Louisiana. At
first he was super nice and all of a sudden
he quit textinging. He know, no contact with him at all.
Another one, Lamar Sheriff's Department, absolutely nothing would not return
my calls. I finally told him I'm going national with this.
He called me within two days to find out what
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was going on, said he was going to call the FBI,
knew somebody. He never did nothing. He just wanted to
see what I knew and how mad I was. And
believe me, I'm furious. I've contacted the governor's office in
both states, the Texas and Oklahoma. I've contacted the attorney
generals in both those states. I have gotten no response
from anybody. And Hugo Police Department, the detective that was
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there the night that we found the vehicle blocked my
phone and told me to call the mar Sheriff's department.
Why would I call the mar Sheriff's department. It's her
course found in Port Post and Oklahoma. So this is
what I'm dealing with over there. And also I wanted
footage from Bagoda where she was. We actually got a
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witness that talked to my daughter in Bagoda, Texas the
day she went missing. Police never investigated. Told that police
department she didn't spend any money in your town, so.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
There's no need to look for her. And when I.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Because I spoke to a police officer there, and that's
exactly what he told me.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
This sounds like a horrible cover up.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Tell me about the witness that saw her in Pagoda, Texas.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
She works a it's a female. She works at the
She works at the Dollar General. I guess this is
all we know at this point. They're still trying to
locate her because they talked to another girl that you know,
said that that's what you know. She spoke to my
daughter that day and she actually said she was coming
back to the store, and she left and never came back.
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But I I asked day one, I said, you know,
will you go back and check the footage and those
stores and at Pagoda there's only a couple of stores there.
He got furious with me. He said, no way am
I going back there. We got her in Para.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Sexs, there's no need to go do that.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Well, guess what she was in that town and if
they looked at the footage, they would have seen her
there and maybe somebody with her or followed her out
or something. But he didn't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And that's the Dollar General in Pagoda, Texas, right and gooda?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
And when was she and Pagoda.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
She was at Bagoda right there, right before she talked
to me at five thirty. She would have came out
of Bagoda right around that time, just before that.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Joining me is Josh Ritter, high profile criminal defense attorney,
former prosecutor in LA at Joshuillridder dot com.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Josh, what do you do when police?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And it pains me to say this as a veteran prosecutor,
when police won't do their job, something stinks.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (28:38):
Absolutely. First of all, I want to applaud you, a
mister Case. It's only through your kind of dogged determination.
I think that this case is continuing to get the
attention that it is, and I think that I agree
with you, Nancy. I'm you know, as a former prosecutor,
I consider myself former law enforcement. I have a lot
of respect for people who are involved in that field.
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But theories something wrong here, especially when you're hearing that
the family members are the ones who are doing the
lion's share of the work here. All of this information
that we're finding out today certainly hasn't been accurately reported
in the media as of the reports that I've been
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able to read. So we're getting a lot of information
that seems like there is more to go on than
at first one might think. I mean, we have it
sounds like the thing that stands out most to me
is probably something that's very simple, but I think could
be hugely impactful. Is the idea that there were two
people out there at that location. If we can believe
the witness who said that there were two vehicles and
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only one returning the way that it's been described, that
the car was in neutral and intentionally pushed off of
that hill, it sounds like there's a couple of people involved,
which to me means there's a couple of people out
there with information and they're going to have a hard
time keeping their mouth shut. If the family members and Gordon, again,
I salute who continued to press upon this case and
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press upon law enforcement, I am very hopeful that some
sort of break is going to be coming shortly in
this case.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
Yeah, we appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
A disappearance like this is hard enough to solve, as
it is much less without proper police work.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Take a listen hour cut twelve.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
According to Kaitlin's mother, Caitlin Rose, Cases, vehicle landed at
the final destination according to GPS hit Gmail at eleven
forty six pm August fifth, once the vehicle was found.
According to Caitlin's mother, the Hugo Police Department detectives and
the OSBI failed to secure the property or treat the
area as a crime scene when that vehicle was located.
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On August twelfth. Officially, Caitlin Case's vehicle, a two thousand
and six black GMC envoy with the Louisiana license plate,
was found abandoned behind a private gated property along a
steep embankment on the Kiamichi River near Frogville, Localoe. But
where is Caitlin Rose Case?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Why do many people believe Caitlin has been sex trafficked?
Take a listen howur cut twenty five crime online.
Speaker 11 (31:11):
As police search for Caitlyn Rose, two eyewitnesses come forward.
They tell police they believe they saw Case on August seventeenth,
This is five days after Case's car was found. She
was crying in the backseat of a disabled white suv.
It had been pushed from the road by two women
into a gas station in Paris, Texas. The witnesses said
there was a dark colored SUV that came to assist
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the disabled SUV to Peggy Case.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
This is Caitlin's mom. What do you make of that report?
Speaker 5 (31:41):
What do I make of it? Well, we have worked
on this, Gordon and has done the yeoman's share of
the work on this. But we've pulled together all this information.
I mean, I've tried to contact every police department BI.
I mean we spoke to FBI, you know, missing persons
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on and on. The list goes on and on, and
none of the local police departments wanted to cooperate us
with us at all. We provided them with the bank
statements like critical, you know, I went into the bank.
We filed the missing person's report on Saturday on the
on the August the sixth, Gordon and I we got
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the first cell tower ping on August the seventh, that Sunday.
We were at the police station around ten pm when
they got the first ping and it was in Hero, Oklahoma.
They immediately contacted missing persons in Oklahoma and Jim Parrish
is the person that manned that search around the cell towers.
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Like it was a six mile perimeter on the on
the western side I think they did first and in
the eastern side they did later. Six miles in the
opposite direction, and that was a core joint effort whoever,
whatever was, whatever agencies work with Oklahoma missing persons. But
two uh, there was supposedly dogs and drones and foot
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traffic and they found nothing.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Right, Gordon Case, let me ask you a question regarding
this most recent report that two witnesses come forward and
state they saw your daughter August seventeen, that would be
five days after her car was found crying in the
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back seat of a white suv pushed from the road
by two women into a gas station in Paris, and
that there was a dark colored suv that came to
assist the disabled white suv.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
What do you make of that?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, well, actually I was the found one that found
that report from that person. I was up there in
that area putting out flyers, and it just so happened
just before I would leaving something to go back to
this little restaurant and put a flyer there, and I did,
and I spoke to a couple of girls there and
left the flyer left. I left that area and went
back to Louisiana, which is about seven eight hours away,
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got back home. It was a Friday, and on the
very next day, Saturday, evening, I got a call from
this witness that had went to that restaurant. His wife
works there and they were having a birthday party and
he looked down and he saw that fire and he says,
holy crap, that's that girl we saw that night at
the gas station. He called me immediately off that fire
because we decided to put our own phone numbers on
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there because we knew the OSBI was not getting any
was not taking information because we had other witnesses come forward.
They never even checked into they contacted us to see
if OSBI ever contacted us, because they never contacted them,
and we have reports that they say they did, and
they did it and they were incredible and whatever excuse
they could make, but they never did. But I did
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talk to the guy and his name is Johnny Hall
and his wife and they were very nice people, and
I talked to him in length and he let me
record the conversation. And yes he did. He said he
saw my daughter one hundred percent on his mother's ashes. Now,
could he be wrong, maybe so, I don't know, but
he was. He swears that it was, and his wife
as well, and she was in a vehicle in the
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Cesscal gas station. Across from Walmart on the Paris Circle,
and he said he went up. The two girls were
pushing the broken down vehicle and she was in the vehicle.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
She was crying.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
He went up to her and he said, whatever is wrong.
He said, God's going to fix whatever your problem is.
And one girl came up behind him and said, oh,
she's crying because she's just far away from home. And
that was his story. And so I have that story.
And when we told so, I called up the Oklahoma
of Your Investigations head, head of person over there with
(35:51):
that information, and she never would call me, never would
talk to me, and she gave the shed put that
call back to Oklahoma your Investigations detective, who in return
said he wasn't credible because, of course, again it was
way too long after the fact that that was incredible,
and we've had a lot of witnesses and a lot
(36:12):
of information that insists that they're just not credible.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Why are you convinced as to the location where everything
went wrong for Caitlin, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Because, first of all, my daughter would as soon as
she got anywhere, she would have called me back if
once our phone drop, if she had car trouble, she
had any trouble at all.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
She would have been on the phone with me.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I texted her and told her it was getting late.
Because it was it was getting getting towards evening. She
would have needed to get a room at the Ilfen Paris, Texas.
I had looked on the map and looked at the town,
and I found a.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Place for her.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Never heard from her ever again. She would have never
not called me back. And there are a couple of
witnesses that flame saw her in Cunningham where she was
on the phone with me on that street, said she
turned around in his driveway, and then another one up
in Jennings. Well, it seems real odd that in between
(37:05):
Cunningham and Jennings is property owned by the same people
where her vehicle was found. Really, personally, I think these
are smoking, mere witnesses to put her out of that area.
And he says that she went into Paris. Well, everybody agrees,
and other investigators agree that there's no way she was
in control of that vehicle and went through all that area.
(37:25):
She didn't know the area. She started out at the
Civic Center, went all around Paris, ended back at the
Civic Center. She would have never done that. It would
have never happened. We have a lot of information.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
So where do you pinpoint, Well, you believe your daughter
ran into.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Trouble, Well, I can't pinpoint it. It could have been
anywhere from Mount Pleasant on up. She might have met
maybe picked someone up, or someone was following her at
that point. She might have met somebody in Bagoda. You know,
maybe they talked with her, maybe she trusted them. I
don't know. I don't really know exactly all I know where.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I was told, where I was on the phone with.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Her, and after everything that the OSBI has given us
so far, which is bet bs, I do. I don't
even trust the Wi FI hits or any of the
information off of that. That was a typed out sheet
that my family and sent everybody out. They're not the
original records, phone records from the phone company. They are
typed out version of his version. I don't trust anything
(38:26):
that man has to say. And I want to add
first of all, that Peggy has been a huge part
of this. We would not be anywhere without her. She's
the rock to this family period. So I want to
put that in there. And I also want to add
that from day one I asked him, I said well,
should we put up some flyers, some bulletins around Paris,
(38:48):
Texas Loop. We have people that want to fund that.
Oh no, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
We don't know anything right now.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
And I said, well, how about how about if we
put out a reward. Oh no, We've never had anybody
come for a reward. I said, well, I'm going for three, right,
I said, well, how about a private investigator. Well, you
know we're working on a case right now.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
It's been over a year.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
We kind of classed with dev you know, they want.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
To solve it before us, and blah blah.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
We haven't solved that case at all.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
So let me understand.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
They don't want missing people flyers, they don't want a reward,
and they don't want you to hire a PI.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Did I get that right?
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Absolutely?
Speaker 9 (39:22):
You're right?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
And who is this telling you that?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
The detective of Oklahoma Bureau of Investigation and I talked
to his supervisor. No word from him. I told him
about my concerns from the beginning. I've gotten nothing but
silence from him. From the head director over there OSBI,
they will tell us nothing.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
You know, Doctor Angie Arnold joining me, were now psychiatrists
out of Atlanta. When you're looking for your child and
even authorities are not helping you, that's got to be
the most disillusioning thing, and you feel totally defeated, but
they're not.
Speaker 12 (40:01):
Oh my god, I'll tell you something. First of all,
I'm so sorry that you are having to go through this,
but kudos to you for not letting the people that
are in charge hold you back from trying to find
your daughter. This is the most amazing story I've ever heard,
(40:21):
isn't it for you? Nancy?
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I tell you, I'm just having a hard time accepting
that they're getting no help from anyone, especially in light
of these two civilians where her car is caught up
in a tree on their property, changing their stories. Their
stories change from two vehicles coming in to one vehicle
(40:45):
to didn't they go to no vehicles coming in at
eleven o'clock the night before mister case.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Yeah, did didn't see anything?
Speaker 4 (40:52):
In the end yet not thinking okay.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
And the fact that her clothing was in the car,
her cell phones were in the car, her purse, everything
is in the car with the windows rolled up, and
a car that doesn't have air conditioned in that Texas heat.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Everything is all wrong.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I want to give you phone numbers and emails if
you want your voice to be heard. Paris, Texas PD
nine zero three seven eight four sixty six eight eight Bugatta,
Texas Police nine zero three sixty three two o seven
seven two.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
That's not all.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Lamar County Sheriff nine zero three seven three seven twenty
four hundred.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
The Oklahoma ag.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Four zero two five two one three nine two one.
The governor four zero five five two one two three
four two.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
What is happening?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Why is this case been handled the way it has
or miss handled?
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Have you ever heard to.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
You, Tony Wade of a law officer saying you don't
need any missing person flyers, you don't need to put
out a reward, you don't need to hire a p
I've never heard of that in my life.
Speaker 9 (42:15):
It's actually ludicrous, you know. And Nancy, this reminds me
of a case that you and I actually done together
several years ago in Texas. No law enforcement wouldn't help us.
They even come to my hotel maximum glean Town. It
makes that's really no sense to me. There should be
a search form on that property, you know why. And
it happens more times than not, I can tell you
(42:37):
thirty years of doing this now. There's a lot of
police departments who just don't want to get involved in
missing person's cases because they don't know how to handle
it begin with. But why try and stop what the
family's trying to do, putting out flyers or stop search
teams from coming in those things? That has never made
any such to me.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Man, I smell a rat. I smell a dead rat.
Nick Hebert joining us from the Paris News. What is
law enforcement telling you?
Speaker 8 (43:02):
They haven't told me anything. I've attempted to contact everyone
multiple times in the Lamar County Sheriff's office, Paris Police Department.
I've gotten confirmation there's an open investigation. But that's about
it as far as what anyone wants to say. You
can't request government records from OSBI, so it just it
(43:22):
seems like it's a dead.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
End, a dead end.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Well, it's not a dead end right now, even though
it may seem that way. Guys, if you want to
help Gordon and Peggy Case find their daughter, go online
to find Kitlin dot com, c ai t l y N.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Caitlin with a C.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Or they're running out of money to search for their
daughter themselves. They're basically having to take on the government
to try and find what happened to their girl. There
is a GoFundMe, a GoFundMe dot com slash help us
Find Caitlin. Repeat gofund me dot com slash help us
(44:08):
find Kitlan.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace reached down to the OSBI.
We were told this is an open case. Agents are
not at liberty to discuss the case. Park Police and
Bogata Police departments did not return our call. Hugo and
Huma Police Department said no one was available to speak
with us. No one has been named a suspect or
person of interest in the disappearance of Caitlin Rose case.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye FD
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