April 26, 2024 • 40 mins
Months after Rachel Morin's body is found along a trail the Ma & Pa Trail, her killer is still still on the run. DNA found at the crime scene matched to a home invasion in Los Angeles, but investigators have not been able to match the profile. A video of the man believed to be the suspect, was made public. That video came from the home invasion scene in LA.
Morin’s family is turning to all options in trying to bring this killer to justice. The family has created a flyer using still images from the doorbell camera footage of the suspect. 10,000 flyers have been sent out to homes and schools near the LA crime scene. Morin family attorney, Randolph Rice, says the reason is that the suspect could have been in high school as early as two years ago. They are hoping a teacher or classmate will recognize the suspect.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Patty Morin – Rachel Morin’s Mother
- Randolph Rice – Morin Family Attorney - Rice, Murtha & Psoras, LLC
- Tim Pappa - Fmr. FBI BAU Profiler and Supervisory Special Agent, Founder and Behavioral Content Creator for “Storytellers”, http://www.youtube.com/@storytellers.design, X: @storytellerscc, walked the trail and examined Rachel Morin’s crime scene
- Caryn L. Stark - Psychologist, renowned TV and Radio trauma expert and consultant, www.carynstark.com, Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Alexis Tereszcuk - CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter, Writer/Fact Checker, Lead Stories dot Com, Twitter: @swimmie2009
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace August five, September five, October five,
November five, December five, January five, February five, March five,
April five, eight months since this incredibly beautiful woman, but
(00:27):
forget her physical beauty, mother of five, mother of five.
Let that sink in. I'm a mother of two and
I can hardly hold it together every minute. I need
to do something else for the twins. A mother of
five is found naked, raped, bludgeoned so badly her face
(01:03):
was practically gone. She had been beaten so badly and
left out on the maw and paw hiking trail. Who
did this thing? As a family member of a murder
victim myself, it's really hard to take the next step
(01:28):
to actually take a shower and get dressed and drive
to the store, or go back to school, or resume
your job, or listen to the phone ring or play
music on your car radio. Yeah, all of that's hard.
This mother of Rachel Morin, she's stuck in a quagmire.
(01:55):
She can't move forward, she can't go back because there
is no justice. I'm talking about beautiful mom of five,
Rachel Maurn. We've got the purpse DNA. We've got a description,
(02:15):
We've got one heck of a composite, but no purp. Today.
Joining me Rachel's mother, I'mancy, Grace. This is crime Stories.
Good evening, and thank you for being with us. With
each tick of the clock, each moment, each minute, each
(02:36):
hour that passes the memory of Rachel Mooren and the
facts surrounding her murder fade, this is exactly what a
defense attorney wants when the time comes for this to
go to trial. Nobody remembers, nobody recalls what happened to
Rachel Lauren just simply out for a walk. I remember,
(03:02):
Let me jog your memory. Take a listen to Sheriff
Jeffrey Galler.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It probably eleven twenty three last evening, our deputies responded
to a report of a mission person. It was reported
by the individual's boyfriend that Rachel Morien, who's aged thirty seven,
headed out from her home on Old Emerton Road around
six pm to go to the Mompat Trail. Once she
had not returned as and when expected, the family was
(03:27):
obviously concerned. Initial information from the boyfriend. Again, the caller
who reported her mission indicated her car was at the
lot at the trailhead here on Williams Street. Behind like
we're independent Brewery is the people that are familiar with
bell Air. The car was there, but she was not
as bel Air.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Maryland with me an incredible panel, a brain Trust renowned psychologist,
a death investigator, an investigative reporter, an FBI profile and author,
a high profile lawyer. But first I'm going to go
to a very special guest. I've thought about her, I've
(04:12):
wondered about her, I've prayed for her, and now I
get to speak to her. Rachel Mourn's mother, Patty ms Morn.
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Thank you for inviting me. I appreciate it. I appreciate
you keeping Rachel's story a life. I think that's the
most important thing right now.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I do too. And with you is high profile lawyer,
the Morn family, attorney from Rice and Martha and sous
at Rice Law MD dot com, Randolph Rice, if I
may call you Randy, Randy, just very quickly. Isn't it
true that the longer a case is delayed, the worst
(04:55):
it is for the victim's family and the prosecutor.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Certainly, I mean we've obviously seen that with Patty and
the family that they've had to go through, as you
said at the lead, eight months of just agony and
desperation that they have.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Not caught this man. They know who he is, we
know who he is.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
We've got DNA, we've got a sketch, we've got a video,
but we just don't have a name. And that's what
we need. That's what Patty and the family needs right now,
is a name. And this is what we needed to happen.
We need more people to see these sketches, we need
more people to see the video. Hopefully somebody comes forward
and says, I know who that guy is right there.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I know who he is. That's so and so.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Guys, for those of you that may have forgotten the
facts of the case, listen again to Sheriff Jeffrey Galler.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well, it was all of our hope, certainly mine and
everyone standing up here with me and the men and
women of our office and all of our citizens, that
Rachel will be found safe. At about one oh seven PM,
a citizen called nine one one to report a female's
body had been located off the trail. At that time,
it was obvious that this.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Person was deceased.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Uh the investigation was went from a missing person investigation
to a homicide investigation.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Miss Moran, Rachel's mother or speaking out today, Miss Moran,
When did you learn that Rachel was missing?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It was actually I will, and this is going to
sound kind of weird, but I woke up the morning
that they found her body and we were still in
Kentucky because I had a grand baby that had passed
away and we had just did a funeral for her.
And I woke up and I said, I just have
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a really bad feeling that something's happened to Rachel. And
my oldest daughter, who wrote down with me, she checked
on Facebook and she messaged other family members and it
was while she was on Facebook that she found out
that Rachel had been reported missing. Nobody contacted us before then,
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and then it wasn't until after they found Rachel's body
that the sheriff Department used one of my children's phone
to contact me to let us know that they had
found her body. So we kind of didn't know until
after the fact she'd been missing an already.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Past Who told you that Rachel was missing and who
told you that her body had been found?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
My oldest daughter saw the post on Facebook on the
Sheriff's web page. And then it was the investigating detective
at the time that had called using my son's phone
to let us know that they had found her and
they believed that it was her and that she had
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passed away. Well, they found her body.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And really all of this was instigated because you had
a quote bad feeling, Miss Morn. I've got to tell
you something. When my fiancee was murdered, I had just
walked out of a statistics exam and I was on
my way to my job in the library, and I
(08:23):
got a message to call Keith's family, and I knew
right then that Keith was dead. That minute when they
picked up the phone and said hello, I said, it
is Keith gone. I knew. I don't know how that happens,
Miss Morn. I don't know how that happens, but it happened.
What was the feeling that you had. What did it
(08:44):
feel like.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
When I woke up? It felt like it felt like
a shadow. It also felt like like profound like sadness, emptiness,
like I just knew that there was something that I
(09:09):
think it's just mother's intuition. I just knew there was
something that wasn't right. That there was something terribly wrong,
but I didn't know what it was. And when my
kids were younger, teenagers, and they would, you know, go
spend time with their friends, I would know if they were,
(09:29):
you know, being honest or not. It's like a mother
just knows her children. I can't explain it. I don't
profess to be psychic or anything. I just think it's
because we are close knit family. And so my oldest daughter,
knowing that mom's intuition is usually correct, she went looking,
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contacting her brother's and to see, you know, if everybody
was okay, and that's how we found out.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Do you remember what you were doing when you were
told that Rachel's body had been found.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I was at my son's house. We were getting ready
to come back to Maryland. But we weren't sure what
was happening with Rachel. So I wanted to hurry up
and come back so we could be part of looking
for her. And so we had packed up our things,
(10:28):
we were getting ready to pack up the car when
we got the phone call that she was missing. I
think we were like maybe a half mile, not a
half mile, like a half hour or so down the
road from my son's house. Heading back, and my daughter
that had traveled with me, my oldest daughter, She said, Mom,
(10:50):
you need to turn around and go home because you're
not going to be able to drive the ten hours home.
And so, you know, I thought it was okay, but
my son and my daughter insisted that I stay a
couple of days to bring my emotions and things under
control so I could drive the ten hours back to Maryland.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Miss Moran. What was your
initial reaction. I know, when I was told that Keith
was dead, I didn't believe it. I immediately thought, wait,
this is wrong. There's been some type of an accident,
and if I can just get there fast enough, I
(11:43):
can get him to a hospital and I can fix it.
I can fix this. I couldn't take it in until
I saw someone right Bernstein Funeral Home, and that's really
when I took in that Keith was actually dead. What
was your initial reaction did you believe it? Did you
(12:04):
think there had been a mistake.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I when I first heard that she was missing, I
had hoped that we would find her. When they said
they found her body, that was probably you know that
you know that it's true because somebody authority is telling
(12:28):
you it, but at the same time, you don't want
to accept it it's true, like like I.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
Can't, it's too painful to believe that it's true. And
it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Actually until we unveiled her headstone that for the first
time it felt like Rachel is really cold.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
And sorry.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
I know that she's gone, but it made it like concrete,
like she's she's really.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Gone and that I need to.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
I'm trying to figure out how do I disconnect being
a mom from this process of grieving, because I still
feel connected to her.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
So I'm I don't know how I'm supposed to feel.
So I apologize for crying. Sorry, it's because it's so
very sad to me. I loved Rachel very much. I
love all my children, so it's it's just it's been
(13:52):
just like very hard. It's been very hard for all
of us.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Actually.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Sorry, joining me is Rachel Moren's mother speaking out before
we delve into the facts and what we know right
now about catching the killer. When we were on break,
Miss Moran, you said, I can't believe it's been eight
months and it's not getting any better.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, you would, Well, I suppose I would think it's
been eight months, but the emotion is still so strong,
and like the grief and the sorrows, it's very it's
still very intense. It's just so sad, like she should never.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Have died, Like she didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
She was just walking the trail, which she does all
the time. They've been doing it since they were little
kids and we moved here to Maryland. That was one
of the things we did after supper is we would
go as a family walk the trail. The boys would
run into the woods look for bubs and frogs and
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You mean this trail or a trail near your family home,
this trail.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
We lived a block from this trail for over ten years.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So this was her childhood home and childhood area. So
she had walked this trail many, many times. And there's
a lot too what you just said, her familiarity with
the trail, feeling at home or at ease there to
the point where I'm sure no fault of her own.
(15:37):
I do it too. She fell at ease and probably
let her defenses down like we all do when we're
at home or we're doing something we do every day.
That's normal. Karen Stark, Can you weigh in on with me,
as Karen Start, renounced psychologist, TV radio trauma expert at
(15:59):
car start dot com, careen with a C in case
you're trying to reach her. Can you, and I'm sure
you can. I'm just the JD. You're the shrink. Can
you assign a word or words to what missus Warren
is going through?
Speaker 8 (16:15):
This is so typical of grief, Nancy. I mean I
recognized it right away. I'm sure you did too. That
you just can't accept that the person has died, and
it takes a very long time for that to sink in.
You're also talking about a mother, that connection, that mother's
instinct that she talked about, and that will never go away,
(16:37):
that feeling of being connected, but having to accept it.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It takes a.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Long time till we're able to accept the loss of
a child who should never die. Before you, it's not
the way it's supposed to work.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
What do we know about the killer and where do
we get that information from the crime scene? Listen?
Speaker 9 (17:01):
Since the body of Rachel Marinn was discovered in a
drainage tunnel not far from the main entrance of the
MA and Paw Trail, Michael Gabriziski has spoken out to
the media about what he and his stepdaughter found or witnessed.
The following information has been reported as fact by Michael Gabrazski.
Claim number one, gabriziski stepdaughter Cecilia discovered the body of
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Rachel Marin in a drainage tunnel. Claim number two. Rachel
Marin was lying on her back, fully naked and she
had brutal head trauma. It looked like her head had
been smashed with a rock. Claim number three. There was
a fifteen to twenty foot blood trail, so it looked
like she had been beaten and dragged into position. Claim
number four. The right side of her face was gone,
(17:44):
and claim number five, it looked like the killer was
trying to erase her identity.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Again. Joining me an all star panel to make sense
of what we know right now. But I just wanted
to say to miss Moran. Miss Moran, I was told
nothing about my fiance, says murderers the case surrounding it.
Before trial, I was called in as a witness, although
I did not see the murder occur, and I remember
(18:11):
coming off the witness stand and seeing case bloody shirt
on the State's Council table, and it literally stopped me
in my tracks. I was not prepared for that, and
I want to apologize to you for going through these facts.
And the reason I'm doing it, missus Moran, is because
(18:34):
these facts are going to help catch her killer. And
only these facts are going to help catch her killer.
I hate to rehash them with you there, but I
want your input. You are her mother. You know more
about her and this trail than anybody on this panel
(18:54):
or anybody out there period. So please you, along with
your attorney ran off Rice, please jump in whenever you
hear something that's wrong or you want to comment on.
I want to go now to another special guest joining us,
Tim Papa, former FBI profiler, supervisory special Agent. And listen
(19:16):
to this founder and behavioral content creator of Storytellers on YouTube.
He has walked the trail, he has examined the crime
scene from the FBI. Tim Papa, Tim helped me out
what is taking so long. We've got the guy's DNA,
(19:38):
We've got what I believe to be an excellent composite,
and you know composites can go in a lot of
different directions. Example, have you seen those sketch artists drawings
of what goes on in federal court where they're on
our cameras. Nobody looks like those sketches at all. I've
worked on a lot of composites, including composites post mortem
(20:02):
of victims when I needed somebody to identify a victim.
What I'm telling you is, I think this is a
pretty good composite. So that said, Tim Pappa, help me.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
No.
Speaker 10 (20:11):
I mean, the timing is frustrating. But if you have
an inexperienced killer, which is what I think we have here,
it's true that they might make more mistakes, but it
also is likely true that they're not going to have
a pattern because they're inexperienced. So they might be learning,
but they also might be becoming more reckless in some
of their behaviors.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Rachel was murdered in brutal fashion in Maryland, bel Air, Maryland.
This guy's DNA pops up from a crime scene in
LA That's where we're getting a lot of this composite.
So he attacks a group of people, a group inside
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this home. He's brazen. I believe he's sex assault at
someone in there. A child came to the door of
the room and started screaming and woke everybody up. This
guy is brazen. Now how does this guy pop up
in bel Air, Maryland and LA Two violent crime scenes,
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two sex assaults, one murder, and we don't have him yet.
So Tim, that's what I'm saying. I think this is
a really good composite based on what I can see.
It is.
Speaker 10 (21:30):
You know, Rachel may have just been a target of opportunity,
but he would have been familiar enough with that trail
to know where he might have some cover in timing
to attack someone. I think this comes down in relationships
that there are still people who are not coming forward
who have information.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Well, yeah, hey, I can figure that out, and I'm
not an FBI profile or Tim pap. I need a
little bit more from you about that. But I also
want to say you initially said you believe he's an
experienced killer. I know he laid in wait and Joe
Scott's going to jump in on that. Joe Scott Morning
Morgan because there's a curve, and Miss Moran and Randolph
(22:07):
Rice jump in if you know better. But there's apparently
a curve in that trail enough to where she could
be walking forward and can't see him like a predator,
like a wolf, waiting around the curve. And also there
was a lot of foliage at the time Rachel was attacked,
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which could have obscured her vision. He was waiting like
a hyena for her to come along. From his vantage point,
he could see her coming, but she couldn't see him.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Laid a couple of groundworks, so that may help out
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
So the video that you saw that was in March
of March in Los Angeles of a doorbell camera that
captured that individual leaving the home. The belief is that
he did not enter the home to that door, so
that's why we don't have that. The police don't have
that March of twenty twenty three, that video is taken.
Then fast forward to August of twenty twenty three when
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Rachel's body is found on the Man Paul Trail, which
anybody from Maryland in that area of Maryland, which is
the northeast part of Maryland, will tell you that the
Man Paul Trail is not a trail that.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Is easy to find.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
It is off the beaten path, it is not near
the main drag. You have to really know the area
or get familiar a little bit with the area or
have some connection to the area to be able to
find the Man Paul Trail. It's not off to Interstate
ninety five, which is a very popular interstate that runs
up the east coast of the United States, runs through
Harford County, but even the Man Paul Trail is probably
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a good ten to fifteen miles from I ninety five,
So this is not a trail where you would just
hop off a major interstate and find this trail.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
So he has to have some knowledge, and.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
That's sort of one of the reasons why we did
what we did early on the investigation of our digital
campaign to the Hispanic community, the flyers that we presented
in both English and Spanish to those areas, because we
believed and we still believe, as Tim indicated that he
has a connection to this area, as we believe he
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also has a connection to that neighborhood in Los Angeles,
which is just south of downtown. So hitting those areas
hoping that somebody will know him, recognize him, and be
able to identify him as what we've been trying to do.
We've even got now. Patty can tell you that she
went on camera last week and we shot a series
of television commercials that we're going to start in the
(24:34):
next couple of weeks, digital media, hitting specific zip codes
in Los Angeles as well as Hartford County as well
as the border communities, because we know this is a
Hispanic male who there's a possibility that somebody on the
border communities may know who he is as well, and
we're going to hit those with social media campaigns to
where somebody can see those pictures.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Rachel Morin's mother is not able to move forward. She's stuck,
and now she's spending her own money, her own savings,
to create commercials, create flyers to help catch her daughter's killer.
Won't you help us? Joining me is Rachel's mother, Patty
(25:17):
Moorean and the family lawyer joining us, Randolph. You have
a flyer, Randolph Rise High Profile, a lawyer that is
representing the morn family.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So this is the two sided flyer that we sent
to ten thousand homes in and around the crime scene.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
In Los Angeles County.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
We were able to identify the home based on Google Images.
If you take it to look at the video, there's
a very unique ridgeline across the street.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
We were able to search those.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Neighborhoods find the home and then pinpoint that and drop
a dot and hit ten thousand homes around that through
the use of what's called EDDM and I don't mean
to get the weeds here, but this is a program
that most people won't realize that the postal Service developed
to find lost dogs, but we used it to make
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everybody aware of this man. At the time, we didn't
have the sketch, so we were using the video that
you see there. We took still shots from that and
put it on a reward flyer and delivered to every
single home in the neighborhood around that crime seeing Los
Angeles at the end of twenty twenty three. In addition
to that, we took this flyer, we sent packs of
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these to every single high school in the area around here,
because that suspect is identified as a fairly young man,
probably in his mid early twenties, and believing that maybe
he went to high school that area. That flyer went
to every single high school principal and asked to distribute
to their staff, to their employees, to the students, to
themselves to try to identify who this man is. And
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then this was also coupled with a digital campaign that
we ran in Spanish to all these Spanish speaking websites
in Harford County as well as Los Angeles County at
the end of last year. So we're trying every possible
way to get these images in front of anybody who
can identify just a name. So all we need is
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a name, and we've put in ten thousand dollars and
I got another ten thousand dollars in the rewards now
up to thirty five thousand. And we've said to everybody
that's listened, tell us a name. You get thirty five
thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
That's all we need.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
No questions, asked one name, two words for thirty five
thousand dollars. Ms Mauran, I got to tell you got
some lawyer right there. Those techniques that you're employing are phenomenal,
especially the use of EDDM, which I believe stands for
every Door Direct Mail and that is used by the
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Postal service guys. In addition to Miss Moran, Patty Moran
who is Rachel Morin's mom, and the family lawyer Randolph
Rice joining me, FBI profiler Tim Pappa, Karen Stark, renowned
psychologist Alexis Terres joining us Crime online dot Com invest
heated reporter and death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensicks,
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Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
and star of a hit series Body Bags with Joseph
Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, I want to talk about what
this crime scene means. You heard earlier Tim Pappa from
the FBI formerly FBI say an experienced killer way in.
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I want to hear your analysis.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
What's striking to me, Nancy, is that the individual would
be this bold even though this trail is in an
isolated area, as was pointed out by Tim Off of
I ninety five some fifteen miles. However, this is a
location this individual felt comfortable enough in to perpetrate such
a heinous crime, and he's going to be very familiar
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with these specific locations within there, these blind spot you
had mentioned, the curves, and certainly this ditch. I'm fascinated
by this that Rachel's remains would be contained in this location.
It would be of interest here to think about what
he could have done as far as laying in weight.
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Did they search that area thoroughly? Were there any tie
backs to him, had been camping in the area, had
he been seen around that immediate area. And one final
thing here, you've got a vicious beast on your hands here.
He needs to be found sooner than later, because if
he is this bold, and if we are to believe
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what we have heard this far reported in the news,
the level of violence involved in this will be into
anybody that would cross his path. This guy's very, very dangerous.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Nancy Crime Stories, with Nancy Grace joining me, Crime online
dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Tereschuk. Alexis, what can you
tell us regarding the latest in the search for Rachel's killer.
(30:12):
I mean, it sounds to me like the attorney for
the family, Randolph Rice, is doing the yeoman's shared work.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
He is, he's doing what the police should have done.
They have been blanketing the area.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I am from Los Angeles.
Speaker 12 (30:26):
The coverage has been minimal since the crime took place,
since everybody saw the video first minut all of the
news stations ran and everybody was aware of it. But
there have been no sightings of him either in Maryland
or Los Angeles. And as the sheriff said, the police
are concerned that he may have fled the country, could
have gone south to Mexico, he could have gone anywhere.
(30:48):
They don't have a name, so he's not on a
no fly list. They're not looking for him at the border.
The only thing they have is his DNA and luckily
it has just been shared nationwide, so it went from Maryland.
It was matched in Los angel Peak commits a crime
anywhere else? Hopefully not that will show up as well
because everything is interconnected.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Joining me guys an all star panel and we're trying
to make sense of the facts that we know right now.
To Patty More and this is Rachel's mother. Are you
in regular contact with Ellie law enforcement'.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Harford County Sheriff.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yes, What if anything are they telling you? Do they
update you on a weekly basis.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
They do not update me on a weekly basis. What
they have told me in the past is they'll release
information to me just before it's released to the public.
But for the most part, they're keeping everything very close
to the chest, and they say is for the integrity
of the investigation, and so I know as much as you.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Know, so you do get some details prior to them
being released. What are they telling you, Patty.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
The things that they have I've told me is before
they released the video to the public, they showed us
the video to see if we recognized the person, and
then the next day they released it to the public,
and then they showed us the sketch of the suspect
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before they released that to the public. Other than that,
there really isn't anything else that like, I didn't know
about the hat or any of those things until the
sheriff did his podcast where he released all that information.
That was stuff that wasn't told to me beforehand.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Mis Moran, have you gone back to the spot where
Rachel's body was found?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Sadly, yes, and it was just recently I couldn't after
she passed. We did, and sorry for the poor English.
I have a hard time thinking because I'm so emotional.
We did a walk, a walk to remember Rachel where
there were about two thousand people that had come out
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for this walk, and it was in August. Then we
did a celebration of life service for her and it
was broadcast on YouTube so those that couldn't be there
could view it and see video clips of her growing up.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
And then.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Since that Walk of life, I haven't been able to
bring myself to go on the trail just because it
just felt like so fresh, like the death just happened,
like it was so fresh. I couldn't bring myself to
go near it. But one of my sons, wanting to
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help me to move forward, said, Mom, it might help
you if you just walk and I'll explain thing as
we go along the trail. Just thinks that he thought
it's speculation, but the things that he thought. But then
he brought me to the place where they did find
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her body.
Speaker 13 (34:14):
And.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
It was.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
It was very it was very hard, but it was
also one of those like signposts that makes it final
that she really was in this place at that time,
and so it's kind of like a timestamp. But she's
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not there anymore. And I know that since then people
have actually gone to that place, and I know that
there's like graffiti that people are leaving behind now and
they're like messages to Rachel. But so I walked trail.
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I haven't been since back since then though with.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Me is Rachel's mom, Patty Moorean, Miss Moran. Rachel wasn't
just killed, she was brutalized, but you have reason to
believe she felt safe on the mon Pot Trail. Why.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yes, the town of bel Air is a small town.
We have a community college that's just a little bit
of waste from the town, and we have lived here
for over twenty years. Everybody it's a small family trail.
Everybody in the town walks, runs, bikes this trail. We've
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been doing it for over twenty years. Nothing like this
has happened in our town. Like this, people feel safe.
Everyone knows each other. You know, you're on the trail
so often that people say hi to each other. It
was a very safe place, so she had no reason
to believe that she was in harm's way.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
And it's just to use some perspective.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Harford County maybe has five homicides a year, and they're
typically either drug related or domestically violent where there's you know,
maybe there was something growing. Very rarely do they have
these random attacks, and really most people can't have recent
memory of anything like this happening in such a small,
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close knit, almost rural community.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Ms. Moran, you stated that as part of that walk,
you saw where Rachel's body was found. You know, I've
never gone back to where Keith was murdered. It took
me so long to get out of that depression. I
don't want to retrigger it, especially now that I have
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children to raise. What went through your mind when you
saw that spot.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
It's it's like I know that it's a fact, but
at the same time, it's like I can't believe that
it's real or true. It's I can't explain it's it's
almost like it's surreal. It's like you have to separate
this is a fact from your emotions. And so in
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a part of my brain is like, yes, this is
a fact, but I still can't. I'm still having a
hard time just thinking that she's gone, Like I just
I can't comprehend. I know that it's true, but my
heart won't let me comprehend it.
Speaker 13 (37:41):
And so that's why I avoided the avoided the trail,
and avoided the tunnel because I wanted to avoid the pain.
So yeah, so in one sense, it did help to
go there and to see it, because then it's like
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your emotions aren't running all over the place. You have
some fact to settle on. But at the same time,
it's it's very hard because then you have to accept
the fact is true. I have to accept the fact
that she has passed away that she's been killed, and
so it's it's been hard, like I don't know how
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I'm supposed to I don't know how I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Won't you help us help Rachel's mother? Just two words?
Two words for thirty five thousand dollars four one zero
eight three six seven seven eight eight repeat four one
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zero eight three six seven, seven eight eight, Just two words.
We stop and remember American hero police officer Matthew Rugie,
just twenty seven years old. Matthew Rugie shot down into
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line of duty along with officer Paul Elmstrand and firefighter
Adam Finseth, responding to a domestic Matthew always dreamed of
being a police officer. He loved helping people in need,
leaving behind his parents, Sean and Christy, and his family.
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We remember American hero police officer Matthew Rugie. I want
to thank our guests, especially missus morn, but most of
all to you for being with us tonight and every
night in caring about the people and the cases that
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touch our lives. Nancy Grace signing off, good night friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace August five, September five, October five,
November five, December five, January five, February five, March five,
April five, eight months since this incredibly beautiful woman, but
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forget her physical beauty, mother of five, mother of five.
Let that sink in. I'm a mother of two and
I can hardly hold it together every minute. I need
to do something else for the twins. A mother of
five is found naked, raped, bludgeoned so badly her face
(01:03):
was practically gone. She had been beaten so badly and
left out on the maw and paw hiking trail. Who
did this thing? As a family member of a murder
victim myself, it's really hard to take the next step
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to actually take a shower and get dressed and drive
to the store, or go back to school, or resume
your job, or listen to the phone ring or play
music on your car radio. Yeah, all of that's hard.
This mother of Rachel Morin, she's stuck in a quagmire.
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She can't move forward, she can't go back because there
is no justice. I'm talking about beautiful mom of five,
Rachel Maurn. We've got the purpse DNA. We've got a description,
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We've got one heck of a composite, but no purp. Today.
Joining me Rachel's mother, I'mancy, Grace. This is crime Stories.
Good evening, and thank you for being with us. With
each tick of the clock, each moment, each minute, each
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hour that passes the memory of Rachel Mooren and the
facts surrounding her murder fade, this is exactly what a
defense attorney wants when the time comes for this to
go to trial. Nobody remembers, nobody recalls what happened to
Rachel Lauren just simply out for a walk. I remember,
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Let me jog your memory. Take a listen to Sheriff
Jeffrey Galler.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It probably eleven twenty three last evening, our deputies responded
to a report of a mission person. It was reported
by the individual's boyfriend that Rachel Morien, who's aged thirty seven,
headed out from her home on Old Emerton Road around
six pm to go to the Mompat Trail. Once she
had not returned as and when expected, the family was
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obviously concerned. Initial information from the boyfriend. Again, the caller
who reported her mission indicated her car was at the
lot at the trailhead here on Williams Street. Behind like
we're independent Brewery is the people that are familiar with
bell Air. The car was there, but she was not
as bel Air.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Maryland with me an incredible panel, a brain Trust renowned psychologist,
a death investigator, an investigative reporter, an FBI profile and author,
a high profile lawyer. But first I'm going to go
to a very special guest. I've thought about her, I've
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wondered about her, I've prayed for her, and now I
get to speak to her. Rachel Mourn's mother, Patty ms Morn.
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Thank you for inviting me. I appreciate it. I appreciate
you keeping Rachel's story a life. I think that's the
most important thing right now.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I do too. And with you is high profile lawyer,
the Morn family, attorney from Rice and Martha and sous
at Rice Law MD dot com, Randolph Rice, if I
may call you Randy, Randy, just very quickly. Isn't it
true that the longer a case is delayed, the worst
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it is for the victim's family and the prosecutor.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Certainly, I mean we've obviously seen that with Patty and
the family that they've had to go through, as you
said at the lead, eight months of just agony and
desperation that they have.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Not caught this man. They know who he is, we
know who he is.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
We've got DNA, we've got a sketch, we've got a video,
but we just don't have a name. And that's what
we need. That's what Patty and the family needs right now,
is a name. And this is what we needed to happen.
We need more people to see these sketches, we need
more people to see the video. Hopefully somebody comes forward
and says, I know who that guy is right there.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I know who he is. That's so and so.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Guys, for those of you that may have forgotten the
facts of the case, listen again to Sheriff Jeffrey Galler.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well, it was all of our hope, certainly mine and
everyone standing up here with me and the men and
women of our office and all of our citizens, that
Rachel will be found safe. At about one oh seven PM,
a citizen called nine one one to report a female's
body had been located off the trail. At that time,
it was obvious that this.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Person was deceased.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Uh the investigation was went from a missing person investigation
to a homicide investigation.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Miss Moran, Rachel's mother or speaking out today, Miss Moran,
When did you learn that Rachel was missing?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It was actually I will, and this is going to
sound kind of weird, but I woke up the morning
that they found her body and we were still in
Kentucky because I had a grand baby that had passed
away and we had just did a funeral for her.
And I woke up and I said, I just have
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a really bad feeling that something's happened to Rachel. And
my oldest daughter, who wrote down with me, she checked
on Facebook and she messaged other family members and it
was while she was on Facebook that she found out
that Rachel had been reported missing. Nobody contacted us before then,
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and then it wasn't until after they found Rachel's body
that the sheriff Department used one of my children's phone
to contact me to let us know that they had
found her body. So we kind of didn't know until
after the fact she'd been missing an already.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Past Who told you that Rachel was missing and who
told you that her body had been found?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
My oldest daughter saw the post on Facebook on the
Sheriff's web page. And then it was the investigating detective
at the time that had called using my son's phone
to let us know that they had found her and
they believed that it was her and that she had
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passed away. Well, they found her body.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And really all of this was instigated because you had
a quote bad feeling, Miss Morn. I've got to tell
you something. When my fiancee was murdered, I had just
walked out of a statistics exam and I was on
my way to my job in the library, and I
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got a message to call Keith's family, and I knew
right then that Keith was dead. That minute when they
picked up the phone and said hello, I said, it
is Keith gone. I knew. I don't know how that happens,
Miss Morn. I don't know how that happens, but it happened.
What was the feeling that you had. What did it
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feel like.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
When I woke up? It felt like it felt like
a shadow. It also felt like like profound like sadness, emptiness,
like I just knew that there was something that I
(09:09):
think it's just mother's intuition. I just knew there was
something that wasn't right. That there was something terribly wrong,
but I didn't know what it was. And when my
kids were younger, teenagers, and they would, you know, go
spend time with their friends, I would know if they were,
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you know, being honest or not. It's like a mother
just knows her children. I can't explain it. I don't
profess to be psychic or anything. I just think it's
because we are close knit family. And so my oldest daughter,
knowing that mom's intuition is usually correct, she went looking,
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contacting her brother's and to see, you know, if everybody
was okay, and that's how we found out.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Do you remember what you were doing when you were
told that Rachel's body had been found.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I was at my son's house. We were getting ready
to come back to Maryland. But we weren't sure what
was happening with Rachel. So I wanted to hurry up
and come back so we could be part of looking
for her. And so we had packed up our things,
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we were getting ready to pack up the car when
we got the phone call that she was missing. I
think we were like maybe a half mile, not a
half mile, like a half hour or so down the
road from my son's house. Heading back, and my daughter
that had traveled with me, my oldest daughter, She said, Mom,
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you need to turn around and go home because you're
not going to be able to drive the ten hours home.
And so, you know, I thought it was okay, but
my son and my daughter insisted that I stay a
couple of days to bring my emotions and things under
control so I could drive the ten hours back to Maryland.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Miss Moran. What was your
initial reaction. I know, when I was told that Keith
was dead, I didn't believe it. I immediately thought, wait,
this is wrong. There's been some type of an accident,
and if I can just get there fast enough, I
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can get him to a hospital and I can fix it.
I can fix this. I couldn't take it in until
I saw someone right Bernstein Funeral Home, and that's really
when I took in that Keith was actually dead. What
was your initial reaction did you believe it? Did you
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think there had been a mistake.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I when I first heard that she was missing, I
had hoped that we would find her. When they said
they found her body, that was probably you know that
you know that it's true because somebody authority is telling
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you it, but at the same time, you don't want
to accept it it's true, like like I.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
Can't, it's too painful to believe that it's true. And
it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Actually until we unveiled her headstone that for the first
time it felt like Rachel is really cold.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
And sorry.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
I know that she's gone, but it made it like concrete,
like she's she's really.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Gone and that I need to.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
I'm trying to figure out how do I disconnect being
a mom from this process of grieving, because I still
feel connected to her.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
So I'm I don't know how I'm supposed to feel.
So I apologize for crying. Sorry, it's because it's so
very sad to me. I loved Rachel very much. I
love all my children, so it's it's just it's been
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just like very hard. It's been very hard for all
of us.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Actually.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Sorry, joining me is Rachel Moren's mother speaking out before
we delve into the facts and what we know right
now about catching the killer. When we were on break,
Miss Moran, you said, I can't believe it's been eight
months and it's not getting any better.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, you would, Well, I suppose I would think it's
been eight months, but the emotion is still so strong,
and like the grief and the sorrows, it's very it's
still very intense. It's just so sad, like she should never.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Have died, Like she didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
She was just walking the trail, which she does all
the time. They've been doing it since they were little
kids and we moved here to Maryland. That was one
of the things we did after supper is we would
go as a family walk the trail. The boys would
run into the woods look for bubs and frogs and
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You mean this trail or a trail near your family home,
this trail.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
We lived a block from this trail for over ten years.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So this was her childhood home and childhood area. So
she had walked this trail many, many times. And there's
a lot too what you just said, her familiarity with
the trail, feeling at home or at ease there to
the point where I'm sure no fault of her own.
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I do it too. She fell at ease and probably
let her defenses down like we all do when we're
at home or we're doing something we do every day.
That's normal. Karen Stark, Can you weigh in on with me,
as Karen Start, renounced psychologist, TV radio trauma expert at
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car start dot com, careen with a C in case
you're trying to reach her. Can you, and I'm sure
you can. I'm just the JD. You're the shrink. Can
you assign a word or words to what missus Warren
is going through?
Speaker 8 (16:15):
This is so typical of grief, Nancy. I mean I
recognized it right away. I'm sure you did too. That
you just can't accept that the person has died, and
it takes a very long time for that to sink in.
You're also talking about a mother, that connection, that mother's
instinct that she talked about, and that will never go away,
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that feeling of being connected, but having to accept it.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It takes a.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Long time till we're able to accept the loss of
a child who should never die. Before you, it's not
the way it's supposed to work.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
What do we know about the killer and where do
we get that information from the crime scene? Listen?
Speaker 9 (17:01):
Since the body of Rachel Marinn was discovered in a
drainage tunnel not far from the main entrance of the
MA and Paw Trail, Michael Gabriziski has spoken out to
the media about what he and his stepdaughter found or witnessed.
The following information has been reported as fact by Michael Gabrazski.
Claim number one, gabriziski stepdaughter Cecilia discovered the body of
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Rachel Marin in a drainage tunnel. Claim number two. Rachel
Marin was lying on her back, fully naked and she
had brutal head trauma. It looked like her head had
been smashed with a rock. Claim number three. There was
a fifteen to twenty foot blood trail, so it looked
like she had been beaten and dragged into position. Claim
number four. The right side of her face was gone,
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and claim number five, it looked like the killer was
trying to erase her identity.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Again. Joining me an all star panel to make sense
of what we know right now. But I just wanted
to say to miss Moran. Miss Moran, I was told
nothing about my fiance, says murderers the case surrounding it.
Before trial, I was called in as a witness, although
I did not see the murder occur, and I remember
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coming off the witness stand and seeing case bloody shirt
on the State's Council table, and it literally stopped me
in my tracks. I was not prepared for that, and
I want to apologize to you for going through these facts.
And the reason I'm doing it, missus Moran, is because
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these facts are going to help catch her killer. And
only these facts are going to help catch her killer.
I hate to rehash them with you there, but I
want your input. You are her mother. You know more
about her and this trail than anybody on this panel
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or anybody out there period. So please you, along with
your attorney ran off Rice, please jump in whenever you
hear something that's wrong or you want to comment on.
I want to go now to another special guest joining us,
Tim Papa, former FBI profiler, supervisory special Agent. And listen
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to this founder and behavioral content creator of Storytellers on YouTube.
He has walked the trail, he has examined the crime
scene from the FBI. Tim Papa, Tim helped me out
what is taking so long. We've got the guy's DNA,
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We've got what I believe to be an excellent composite,
and you know composites can go in a lot of
different directions. Example, have you seen those sketch artists drawings
of what goes on in federal court where they're on
our cameras. Nobody looks like those sketches at all. I've
worked on a lot of composites, including composites post mortem
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of victims when I needed somebody to identify a victim.
What I'm telling you is, I think this is a
pretty good composite. So that said, Tim Pappa, help me.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
No.
Speaker 10 (20:11):
I mean, the timing is frustrating. But if you have
an inexperienced killer, which is what I think we have here,
it's true that they might make more mistakes, but it
also is likely true that they're not going to have
a pattern because they're inexperienced. So they might be learning,
but they also might be becoming more reckless in some
of their behaviors.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Rachel was murdered in brutal fashion in Maryland, bel Air, Maryland.
This guy's DNA pops up from a crime scene in
LA That's where we're getting a lot of this composite.
So he attacks a group of people, a group inside
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this home. He's brazen. I believe he's sex assault at
someone in there. A child came to the door of
the room and started screaming and woke everybody up. This
guy is brazen. Now how does this guy pop up
in bel Air, Maryland and LA Two violent crime scenes,
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two sex assaults, one murder, and we don't have him yet.
So Tim, that's what I'm saying. I think this is
a really good composite based on what I can see.
It is.
Speaker 10 (21:30):
You know, Rachel may have just been a target of opportunity,
but he would have been familiar enough with that trail
to know where he might have some cover in timing
to attack someone. I think this comes down in relationships
that there are still people who are not coming forward
who have information.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Well, yeah, hey, I can figure that out, and I'm
not an FBI profile or Tim pap. I need a
little bit more from you about that. But I also
want to say you initially said you believe he's an
experienced killer. I know he laid in wait and Joe
Scott's going to jump in on that. Joe Scott Morning
Morgan because there's a curve, and Miss Moran and Randolph
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Rice jump in if you know better. But there's apparently
a curve in that trail enough to where she could
be walking forward and can't see him like a predator,
like a wolf, waiting around the curve. And also there
was a lot of foliage at the time Rachel was attacked,
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which could have obscured her vision. He was waiting like
a hyena for her to come along. From his vantage point,
he could see her coming, but she couldn't see him.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Laid a couple of groundworks, so that may help out
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
So the video that you saw that was in March
of March in Los Angeles of a doorbell camera that
captured that individual leaving the home. The belief is that
he did not enter the home to that door, so
that's why we don't have that. The police don't have
that March of twenty twenty three, that video is taken.
Then fast forward to August of twenty twenty three when
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Rachel's body is found on the Man Paul Trail, which
anybody from Maryland in that area of Maryland, which is
the northeast part of Maryland, will tell you that the
Man Paul Trail is not a trail that.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Is easy to find.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
It is off the beaten path, it is not near
the main drag. You have to really know the area
or get familiar a little bit with the area or
have some connection to the area to be able to
find the Man Paul Trail. It's not off to Interstate
ninety five, which is a very popular interstate that runs
up the east coast of the United States, runs through
Harford County, but even the Man Paul Trail is probably
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a good ten to fifteen miles from I ninety five,
So this is not a trail where you would just
hop off a major interstate and find this trail.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
So he has to have some knowledge, and.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
That's sort of one of the reasons why we did
what we did early on the investigation of our digital
campaign to the Hispanic community, the flyers that we presented
in both English and Spanish to those areas, because we
believed and we still believe, as Tim indicated that he
has a connection to this area, as we believe he
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also has a connection to that neighborhood in Los Angeles,
which is just south of downtown. So hitting those areas
hoping that somebody will know him, recognize him, and be
able to identify him as what we've been trying to do.
We've even got now. Patty can tell you that she
went on camera last week and we shot a series
of television commercials that we're going to start in the
(24:34):
next couple of weeks, digital media, hitting specific zip codes
in Los Angeles as well as Hartford County as well
as the border communities, because we know this is a
Hispanic male who there's a possibility that somebody on the
border communities may know who he is as well, and
we're going to hit those with social media campaigns to
where somebody can see those pictures.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Rachel Morin's mother is not able to move forward. She's stuck,
and now she's spending her own money, her own savings,
to create commercials, create flyers to help catch her daughter's killer.
Won't you help us? Joining me is Rachel's mother, Patty
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Moorean and the family lawyer joining us, Randolph. You have
a flyer, Randolph Rise High Profile, a lawyer that is
representing the morn family.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So this is the two sided flyer that we sent
to ten thousand homes in and around the crime scene.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
In Los Angeles County.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
We were able to identify the home based on Google Images.
If you take it to look at the video, there's
a very unique ridgeline across the street.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
We were able to search those.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Neighborhoods find the home and then pinpoint that and drop
a dot and hit ten thousand homes around that through
the use of what's called EDDM and I don't mean
to get the weeds here, but this is a program
that most people won't realize that the postal Service developed
to find lost dogs, but we used it to make
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everybody aware of this man. At the time, we didn't
have the sketch, so we were using the video that
you see there. We took still shots from that and
put it on a reward flyer and delivered to every
single home in the neighborhood around that crime seeing Los
Angeles at the end of twenty twenty three. In addition
to that, we took this flyer, we sent packs of
(26:26):
these to every single high school in the area around here,
because that suspect is identified as a fairly young man,
probably in his mid early twenties, and believing that maybe
he went to high school that area. That flyer went
to every single high school principal and asked to distribute
to their staff, to their employees, to the students, to
themselves to try to identify who this man is. And
(26:48):
then this was also coupled with a digital campaign that
we ran in Spanish to all these Spanish speaking websites
in Harford County as well as Los Angeles County at
the end of last year. So we're trying every possible
way to get these images in front of anybody who
can identify just a name. So all we need is
(27:08):
a name, and we've put in ten thousand dollars and
I got another ten thousand dollars in the rewards now
up to thirty five thousand. And we've said to everybody
that's listened, tell us a name. You get thirty five
thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
That's all we need.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
No questions, asked one name, two words for thirty five
thousand dollars. Ms Mauran, I got to tell you got
some lawyer right there. Those techniques that you're employing are phenomenal,
especially the use of EDDM, which I believe stands for
every Door Direct Mail and that is used by the
(27:42):
Postal service guys. In addition to Miss Moran, Patty Moran
who is Rachel Morin's mom, and the family lawyer Randolph
Rice joining me, FBI profiler Tim Pappa, Karen Stark, renowned
psychologist Alexis Terres joining us Crime online dot Com invest
heated reporter and death investigator Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensicks,
(28:09):
Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
and star of a hit series Body Bags with Joseph
Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, I want to talk about what
this crime scene means. You heard earlier Tim Pappa from
the FBI formerly FBI say an experienced killer way in.
(28:32):
I want to hear your analysis.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
What's striking to me, Nancy, is that the individual would
be this bold even though this trail is in an
isolated area, as was pointed out by Tim Off of
I ninety five some fifteen miles. However, this is a
location this individual felt comfortable enough in to perpetrate such
a heinous crime, and he's going to be very familiar
(28:56):
with these specific locations within there, these blind spot you
had mentioned, the curves, and certainly this ditch. I'm fascinated
by this that Rachel's remains would be contained in this location.
It would be of interest here to think about what
he could have done as far as laying in weight.
(29:17):
Did they search that area thoroughly? Were there any tie
backs to him, had been camping in the area, had
he been seen around that immediate area. And one final
thing here, you've got a vicious beast on your hands here.
He needs to be found sooner than later, because if
he is this bold, and if we are to believe
(29:38):
what we have heard this far reported in the news,
the level of violence involved in this will be into
anybody that would cross his path. This guy's very, very dangerous.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Nancy Crime Stories, with Nancy Grace joining me, Crime online
dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Tereschuk. Alexis, what can you
tell us regarding the latest in the search for Rachel's killer.
(30:12):
I mean, it sounds to me like the attorney for
the family, Randolph Rice, is doing the yeoman's shared work.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
He is, he's doing what the police should have done.
They have been blanketing the area.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I am from Los Angeles.
Speaker 12 (30:26):
The coverage has been minimal since the crime took place,
since everybody saw the video first minut all of the
news stations ran and everybody was aware of it. But
there have been no sightings of him either in Maryland
or Los Angeles. And as the sheriff said, the police
are concerned that he may have fled the country, could
have gone south to Mexico, he could have gone anywhere.
(30:48):
They don't have a name, so he's not on a
no fly list. They're not looking for him at the border.
The only thing they have is his DNA and luckily
it has just been shared nationwide, so it went from Maryland.
It was matched in Los angel Peak commits a crime
anywhere else? Hopefully not that will show up as well
because everything is interconnected.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Joining me guys an all star panel and we're trying
to make sense of the facts that we know right now.
To Patty More and this is Rachel's mother. Are you
in regular contact with Ellie law enforcement'.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Harford County Sheriff.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yes, What if anything are they telling you? Do they
update you on a weekly basis.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
They do not update me on a weekly basis. What
they have told me in the past is they'll release
information to me just before it's released to the public.
But for the most part, they're keeping everything very close
to the chest, and they say is for the integrity
of the investigation, and so I know as much as you.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Know, so you do get some details prior to them
being released. What are they telling you, Patty.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
The things that they have I've told me is before
they released the video to the public, they showed us
the video to see if we recognized the person, and
then the next day they released it to the public,
and then they showed us the sketch of the suspect
(32:21):
before they released that to the public. Other than that,
there really isn't anything else that like, I didn't know
about the hat or any of those things until the
sheriff did his podcast where he released all that information.
That was stuff that wasn't told to me beforehand.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Mis Moran, have you gone back to the spot where
Rachel's body was found?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Sadly, yes, and it was just recently I couldn't after
she passed. We did, and sorry for the poor English.
I have a hard time thinking because I'm so emotional.
We did a walk, a walk to remember Rachel where
there were about two thousand people that had come out
(33:08):
for this walk, and it was in August. Then we
did a celebration of life service for her and it
was broadcast on YouTube so those that couldn't be there
could view it and see video clips of her growing up.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
And then.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Since that Walk of life, I haven't been able to
bring myself to go on the trail just because it
just felt like so fresh, like the death just happened,
like it was so fresh. I couldn't bring myself to
go near it. But one of my sons, wanting to
(33:51):
help me to move forward, said, Mom, it might help
you if you just walk and I'll explain thing as
we go along the trail. Just thinks that he thought
it's speculation, but the things that he thought. But then
he brought me to the place where they did find
(34:12):
her body.
Speaker 13 (34:14):
And.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
It was.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
It was very it was very hard, but it was
also one of those like signposts that makes it final
that she really was in this place at that time,
and so it's kind of like a timestamp. But she's
(34:39):
not there anymore. And I know that since then people
have actually gone to that place, and I know that
there's like graffiti that people are leaving behind now and
they're like messages to Rachel. But so I walked trail.
(35:00):
I haven't been since back since then though with.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Me is Rachel's mom, Patty Moorean, Miss Moran. Rachel wasn't
just killed, she was brutalized, but you have reason to
believe she felt safe on the mon Pot Trail. Why.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yes, the town of bel Air is a small town.
We have a community college that's just a little bit
of waste from the town, and we have lived here
for over twenty years. Everybody it's a small family trail.
Everybody in the town walks, runs, bikes this trail. We've
(35:41):
been doing it for over twenty years. Nothing like this
has happened in our town. Like this, people feel safe.
Everyone knows each other. You know, you're on the trail
so often that people say hi to each other. It
was a very safe place, so she had no reason
to believe that she was in harm's way.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
And it's just to use some perspective.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Harford County maybe has five homicides a year, and they're
typically either drug related or domestically violent where there's you know,
maybe there was something growing. Very rarely do they have
these random attacks, and really most people can't have recent
memory of anything like this happening in such a small,
(36:26):
close knit, almost rural community.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Ms. Moran, you stated that as part of that walk,
you saw where Rachel's body was found. You know, I've
never gone back to where Keith was murdered. It took
me so long to get out of that depression. I
don't want to retrigger it, especially now that I have
(36:50):
children to raise. What went through your mind when you
saw that spot.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
It's it's like I know that it's a fact, but
at the same time, it's like I can't believe that
it's real or true. It's I can't explain it's it's
almost like it's surreal. It's like you have to separate
this is a fact from your emotions. And so in
(37:22):
a part of my brain is like, yes, this is
a fact, but I still can't. I'm still having a
hard time just thinking that she's gone, Like I just
I can't comprehend. I know that it's true, but my
heart won't let me comprehend it.
Speaker 13 (37:41):
And so that's why I avoided the avoided the trail,
and avoided the tunnel because I wanted to avoid the pain.
So yeah, so in one sense, it did help to
go there and to see it, because then it's like
(38:04):
your emotions aren't running all over the place. You have
some fact to settle on. But at the same time,
it's it's very hard because then you have to accept
the fact is true. I have to accept the fact
that she has passed away that she's been killed, and
so it's it's been hard, like I don't know how
(38:29):
I'm supposed to I don't know how I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Won't you help us help Rachel's mother? Just two words?
Two words for thirty five thousand dollars four one zero
eight three six seven seven eight eight repeat four one
(38:54):
zero eight three six seven, seven eight eight, Just two words.
We stop and remember American hero police officer Matthew Rugie,
just twenty seven years old. Matthew Rugie shot down into
(39:16):
line of duty along with officer Paul Elmstrand and firefighter
Adam Finseth, responding to a domestic Matthew always dreamed of
being a police officer. He loved helping people in need,
leaving behind his parents, Sean and Christy, and his family.
(39:40):
We remember American hero police officer Matthew Rugie. I want
to thank our guests, especially missus morn, but most of
all to you for being with us tonight and every
night in caring about the people and the cases that
(40:03):
touch our lives. Nancy Grace signing off, good night friend,
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