July 13, 2024 • 41 mins
Keith Papini was shocked to find out his wife's kidnapping was actually a hoax.
The 39-year-old mom Sherri Papini was reported missing and told investigators when she was found 22 days later that a pair of Hispanic women kidnapped her at gunpoint. Papini said her kidnappers abused her and then shoved her out of a car.
Papini was emaciated, her hair was cut shorter, and she had cuts and bruises all over her body, but prosecutors said she caused the injuries herself. The case was broken in 2020 when DNA led investigators to Papini’s ex, who told them she had been with him the entire time.
Federal prosecutors charged Papini with 34 counts of mail fraud and one count of making false statements. Papini accepted a plea deal but didn't explain why she created an elaborate kidnapping hoax, although she apologized for her actions. Since her arrest, Papini's husband has started divorce proceedings, and Sherri Papini soon begins her jail sentence.
Now, Sherri Papini, who is in a custody battle with ex-husband, is demanding he pay her $30,000 legal fees. Papini is now living with her new boyfriend in a $755,000 home, and driving a brand-new Jeep SUV. Papini also want more access to her children. Papini says she only makes $1,000 a month and has to pay half of that in rent.
The convicted hoaxer is also demanding Keith Papini, hand of other items from their marital home including ‘Grandpa’s truck, an inflatable water slide, a leaf blower and a smart TV.'
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Wendy Patrick - California prosecutor, author “Red Flags” www.wendypatrickphd.com 'Today with Dr. Wendy' on KCBQ in San Diego, Twitter: @WendyPatrickPHD
- Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA, AngelaArnoldMD.com, Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital, Voted "My Buckhead's Best Psychiatric Practice of 2022"
- Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan"
- Mona Kay - Private Investigator, "Mona K Investigations" (Omaha, NE), Twitter: @monakay
- Dave Mack - Crime Online Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Imagine leaving your husband and children to suffer the unthinkable,
to believe mommy has been kidnapped, possibly even dead, and
to let that suffering go on for weeks. Well, that
is exactly what kidnapp fraudster Sherry Peppini did when she
(00:28):
pretended to have been kidnapped while taking a jog, leaving
her entire family, including children, husband, extended relatives to suffer,
only to find out she was hold up at her
boyfriend's house the whole time, then coming up with a
big lie, blaming two Hispanic women for the kidnap, even
starving herself, losing tens and tens of pounds bruises she
(00:52):
put on her face and body, even believe it or not,
branding herself. She branded her own skin as if the
quote kidnappers did it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh, I mean it goes on and on. But that said, now.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
She's back in court again, demanding thirty thousand dollars. You
heard me right, kidnapped fraudster shehery Peppinie in court, poor mouthing,
demanding thirty thousand dollars. You know what she owes everybody,
thirty thousand dollars for the pain and suffering she put
everybody through, much less the fact that she took away
(01:33):
time from real crime victims for herself centered Let me
just say, Lark, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us. Why is Sherry Peppinie
in court whining she wants thirty grand because she's in
a custody battle against her ex husband g who should
(01:54):
have custody the loving father that supported the family or
the mom that freaked everybody up she had been kidnapped.
She's in court actually demanding he pay her thirty thousand
dollars in legal fees.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And the whole time she's.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Living in a luxurious for bedroom home owned by her
new boyfriend. Wow does he not have the Internet? Whatever
she claims, she only makes one thousand dollars a month
from a job and living with the boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
You heard me right.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
California's Sherry Peppini faked her own kidnap and it was
kind of a gone girl style plot, and now she's
chasing down the husband she hoodwinked for lack of the
better term, she faked out for thirty grand to cover
legal fees and for the cost of a custody fight
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she started. Now keep in mind all this is while
she's living a luxury life, the entire thing bankrolled by
her big bucks new lover. Now, Peppini was jailed back
in twenty twenty two over the plot. The plot she
cooked up where she vanished and I'm saying that with
(03:14):
big air quotes for three weeks. Then she lied to
police and to her husband about the fake kidnapping. Okay,
instead the whole time she was shacked up with an
ex boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Now now she's living.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
In a nearly million dollar mansion paid for by her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Who is he?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
He is a widowed car dealer from Orland, California. And ps,
she's driving a brand new Jeep SUV. Wonder where that
came from. Let's just say she doesn't have any car payments.
But let me take you back to the time of
the kidnap. Well, I can't even see kidnap, of the fakery,
(04:00):
what happened? Let me just jog your memory because guess
what we have today for your viewing and listening pleasure.
Videotapes of Peppini sticking to her lies. She is in
interrogation after interrogation after interrogation.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I just can't stop looking at the lies.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
This woman just comes from her mouth and she fully
expects everybody to believe her. But this is where it
all started. Take a listener. Our friends karc R.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Keith Pappini came home last Wednesday and his wife, Sherry Pappini,
was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
In normal days, I would open the door and my
families comes and runs and gives me a hug.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But there were no welcoming hugs. So he searched in
the house and their property, but learned the children were
still at daycare. He found Sherry's phone down the street.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
That's when I knew she had been, in my opinion,
taken or abducted.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Now days later, family, friends, the community, and law enforcement
are still looking for Sherry.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's the worst thing in the world. It's the worst
thing ever.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Time going by slowly and their children don't know their
mother is missing.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's hard waiting.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You know, you're waiting. You're waiting for a phone call,
You're waiting for something to tell us you know, this
is the direction, or this is the house, or this
is the car, and that is that is very difficult
right now, but.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Keith is determined to find her.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
If she was listening, I wanted to say that we're
trying the best we can, and I'm so sorry that
I'm not there.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
The family believes she was abducted and has this message.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Bring her home, bring her home?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Does bring her home?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Okay? I almost made a smart alic crack about waiting, waiting, waiting,
waiting for what you're lying wife to call him and say, oh, honey,
I fed up, But then I heard his voice crack,
and it reminded me of all the suffering that he
and his children and all Papini's family went through.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Daring your her hoax.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Hey, I'm going to introduce a whole panel, but let
me go first to Joseph Scott Morgan, professor Forrensis Jacksonville
State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet. He's
a star of a brand new hit series called body
Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart and Elsewhere. It's great,
Joe Scott, I remember, at the beginning, the very beginning,
(06:24):
when Pepini went missing, you and I talked and I said,
you know something that's really bothering me about this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
About the kidnap thing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Is that her phone was placed carefully on the ground.
It was placed somewhere where it would be found, and
it wasn't just thrown into the brush. And not only that,
the earbuds were attached with a wire and they were
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wrapped very neatly around the phone and then play there.
I'm like, you know what, that one detail that doesn't
fit And I'm telling you, one detail can break a case.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Joe Scott can and a neat little feature that was
involved with this were a few strands for hair that
were caught up in that. And I look at this
now retrospectively, and I wonder, you know what, I wonder
if this was planned as well?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
You rip some hair out of there. Yeah, you're pulling
your own hair out, and.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
You're gonna wad it up in there too, neatly place
it out side of the road, because they use that
where's my iPhone out?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I didn't even think of that Jack pulling her hair
out in addition to branding herself and breaking her own nose. Okay,
I'd love to gab with you, but let's move forward
and take a listen to Alice and sudden this.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Is the woman that sees BUTPEDI by the side of
the road.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
I saw her very very quickly. Her face looked I
thought her face was dirty, but based on what I
know now, I'm guessing that what I thought was dirt
on her face was the bruises restraints. It was so dark,
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I barely barely saw her. And like I said, it
was a flash because that area is so dark.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Four thirty in the morning, Peppini is out wandering the streets,
covered in bruises and still in restraints. So just add
that to the listings restrained herself.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Now it keeps going. Listen to our friends at GMA.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Puppini seemingly disappeared in November of twenty sixteen, reappearing three
weeks later badly injured, claiming she was abducted by two
Hispanic women and physically and emotionally tortured, beaten, and drugged.
Her husband Keith, speaking exclusively to ABC News just days
after they were reunited at the hospital.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Well, the officers kind of like braced me and kind
of put his arm around me, and he said, you know,
prepare yourself. She's alive and you just got to be happy.
And they branded her and in her poor face got
like nauseat and just looking at her, it's so hard
(09:12):
for me to see her like they had And bruises
were just intends, the bumps from you know, being hitting,
kicked in whatever else you.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Know, do Doctor Angela Arnold, we're making light of it
because we know Sherry the pain. He's a big liar
and she costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to law enforcement.
But did you hear the husband? And what about the children?
They're going to remember the rest of their lives. Mommy
went missing and she.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Faked the whole thing.
Speaker 9 (09:37):
Well, and I think, how can you do that to
your children? And I think the sad thing too, is Nancy,
what are they ever going to believe? What are they
ever going to be able to believe in their lives?
Speaker 10 (09:47):
Again?
Speaker 9 (09:47):
She has left them all with this hole inside of
them that they're not going to be able to believe.
She is cridwolf. They're not going to be able to
believe as someone is telling the truth.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Hey, doctor an Doughter, Angie, you've got to hear her
words from the horse's mouth. Doctor Angela Arnold with me,
renowned psychiatrist out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold md dot com. Guys,
take a listen to Sherry Peppini, so call super Mom
describing the chain the two Hispanic women. Remember, guys, they
(10:21):
didn't exist. She nearly got women arrested. They kind of
fit her fate composite, the imaginary Hispanic women placed imaginary
chains around her waist, and she says this with his
straight face.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Listen, these are our friends at ABC.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
There was a chain around my waist. Do you know
what what you were affixed to? Was it tether? Was
it like a robe? A metal cable? About the bathroom? Teleclay?
It just was a standard.
Speaker 11 (10:52):
There was a crack in the tile.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
It was a light colored tile that was speckled. There
was a crack in the tile.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Sherry Peppini just cannot stay
out of the headlines, and not in a good way.
Despite her extremely silverspoon privileged lifestyle. She has now gone
into court and planed poverty and trying to force her
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ex husband, you know, the one she faked out, the
one who was crying and upset on TV begging for
her return. That guy to cough up thirty grand to
pay for her share of a legal fight for custody,
a fight that she started. Now, remember Puppini convicted back
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in twenty twenty two for faking the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
What more does her husband have to endure? Now?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
The husband, Keith Pappenie, is vehemently opposed to giving Sherry Pepini,
his ex any more access to their children.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
He wants her to see a shrink.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Do you blame him and undergo a psychological evaluation and
be barred from seeing the children unsupervised? Now, I gotta
tell you this is conjuring up images of Josh Powell. Okay,
Josh Powell. I don't know if that's ringing a bell
(12:29):
to you. Josh Powell, I'm convinced murdered his wife. He
murdered the mother of his two little boys. His wife,
Susan Powell, a wonderful lady.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
She went missing in.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
The middle of the night with some bogus story by
Josh Powell that they went camping in sub zero temperatures
with their little boys in toe.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Okay, that and happen She's dead.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And when friendsic Specialists asked the little boys what happened,
they drew pictures of mommy in the car trunk and
then they said, mommy's in the crystal minds. In other words,
their dad killed her and upped her body. That's what
that means. Anyway, back to Peppini in the Josh Powell case,
(13:25):
he was supposed to have supervised visitation with the boys.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
The ding Dong defects worker takes the boys to his
front door. He snatches them inside, then he kills them
both with an axe and blows up the house. Thanks
de Facts, you score it again in this case here
with Sherry Peppini, she needs a psychological evaluation to make
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sure that she can take care of those children, and
she should never never see them unsupervised after what she did.
She treaked the whole country, Cops, all sorts of law enforcement,
her family, her husband, all for attention. Oh hln, No,
she is not having unsupervised visitation. But let me jog
(14:16):
your memory again about what happened when Sherry Peppeni quote
went missing end quote.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Wendy, thanks for making time to be with us.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You know, I always look for stories if I'm deciding
about credibility of a witness, and I have directed and
cross examined over ten thousand witnesses in one way or another,
whether it's a motion to suppress, whether it's some other
sort of preliminary motion, whether it's a witness trial. It
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goes on and on. You know, they really rack up
Wendy when you're trying cases. But long story short, I
look for richness in detail. Like if some if Jackie
were telling me, oh, I'm going to be late to
the studio today, I'm like, why long pause?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Car problems? What kind of problem? Flat? Where are you?
Big long pause? Are Mike? Wait? Weren't you taking an
ober this week? Bigger pause?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
So if you question and you're looking for detail, it's
not that hard to crack a story. And this woman
is full of details, right down to the crack and
the tile.
Speaker 12 (15:28):
And you know, Nancy, that really was what broke the
story for investigators is there was so much details. There
was an overabundance of dramatic detail that actually ended up
being suspicious. It wasn't an issue of pausing. It was
almost an issue of having precreated this, hope, this story
that was just a little too fantastic. And as you mentioned,
(15:51):
investigators no not only what to look for, what to
ask about, but then how to compare the way a
story changes and all of those details made her recitation
suspicious right from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I never have a problem with the witness adding to
the story because under the correct questioning they may say, well, yeah,
and she gave me a diet coke, or she this
or she that under the right questioning, But to actually
change the story as a whole other can worms. And
you hit the nail on the head when you said drama.
Let's hear more from Sherry peppeni But what about this rope,
(16:25):
this chain, and what about the so called boyfriend, the
ex boyfriend she's somehow convinced to join her in her
crazy scheme.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Take a listen to our buddy, Matt Gutman it.
Speaker 13 (16:40):
Over the next six years, investigators would piece together how
Peppenie had lied about everything from her fictional abduction to
injuries which were largely self inflicted DNA from her clothing,
eventually leading them to her ex boyfriend, James Rayes.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I didn't get that her, you know, I just friend
in need asking pro and that was that? What did
she say? She was ranging away from her resident are
having d two here? Hasn't read for you. I don't
know what her jale.
Speaker 14 (17:10):
Was look at my room in the closet, and I'm
sure Sip it's the same as she described it.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 9 (17:17):
This apartment, this closet, and this bathroom.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Looked just like the place that Sherry says she was
held captive. Wow, where the two Hispanic women hailed her
captive and starved her and bade her looks just like
the inside of her ex boyfriend's apartment where she hid out.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Take a listener.
Speaker 13 (17:39):
More authority say Pepped's allegations of abuse against her husband
were unfounded and that James Reyes had no knowledge of
her plan, and with Rais's cooperation, investigators now believed they
had solid proof Sheriff Peppedi's kidnapping was a hoax that was.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
On you belongs to James Race. You talked to him.
Speaker 15 (18:01):
We've been on a polygraph. We talked to everybody around him.
We have the rental agreements, phone mental the car mental agreements.
The reason why you lost so much weight is because
you stopped eating. The reason why the brand is because
he went to the store and bought the brand Natols
and branded you. The reason why your nose was broken
(18:23):
it is because of a hot stick.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, so she branded herself and broke her own nose
with me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Dave Matt Dave,
Where do you get a brand? I mean, I've been
in plenty of hardware stores, but a brand.
Speaker 10 (18:38):
Actually, Nancy, it was a woodburning kit. Remember the little
kits we buy for our children where they can make
their own little designs with the little hating element and
little yes, a kind of that's what they used. And
actually they picked out it was a woodburning kit. And
then that kit it has certain symbols and in this
particular case, letters and numbers, and that's what they used.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Look, I know she's cost a lot of pain, but
a kid's woodburning kit?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Jack, did you hear that? Do we know what symbols
she used?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It was always kind of held tight to the vest. Okay,
you pull it up, guys, I want to skip forward
to our cut sixty five. I've got to hear more
of Sherry Peppenie and you let me know when you
find out what the brand was. Anybody that finds out
what it is, jump in and remember, guests.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
This is not Tea at High Grove. Okay.
Speaker 10 (19:27):
Jump in the Bible verse was Exodus twenty one sixteen.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Exodus twenty one sixteen. I know Bob's Bible scholar.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
What's Exodus twenty one sixteen? What does that mean?
Speaker 10 (19:37):
It's actually it's actually about kidnapping the oh.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Dear Lord, and she dragged the Bible into it.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Yes, And the Exodus twenty one sixteen is anyone who
kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the
victim has been sold or is still in the kidnappers possession.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Okay, thank you for that tidbit.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Let's go forward with Sherry Peppini under inch irrigation by
Shasta County Sheriff's detect is this is our cut sixty five.
Speaker 16 (20:04):
She's the reason what to men that she means the
younger one letter ago? Right, So we're referring to we're
not gonna find her, and we can we can just skip.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
To we can skip to the rock into the water
and ruffle up upon if we want to now again,
this is your last opera. This is the last time
if you want to do this alone or with Keith.
Keith spinning through this also on a different level.
Speaker 15 (20:32):
So I'm I'm ready just to I'm ready to move
on and throw.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
The dark and throw the rock and see what happens
for the water. But sure, look at me, what do
you want? I don't want her to get in trouble.
She's not gonna get in trouble.
Speaker 17 (20:48):
So the DNA came back to James Rid okay, So
she's sticking to her story. DNA is found connected to
Sherry Peppenie that no doubt about it is her ex
boyfriend James Rays.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But she is sticking to her story.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
What is she saying, Dave Max, She's saying, I don't
want her to get in trouble, and she says it,
so call me. Is she still she's going down with
a ship about the two Hispanic women.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
Absolutely, And what she had told you that previously was
that the younger of the two Hispanic women held a
gun and told her to leave, and saying that it
was the younger of the two kidnappers that actually let
her go. And as she says, you know, giving me
the chance to see my children.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Now think about it. Sherry Pepinie is living in a
million dollar home. But now not only is she demanding
thirty grand, she's asking well demanding the ex husband hand
over in a ray of items from their marital home
for instance, Grandpa's truck, an inflatable water slide, go buy
(21:57):
one at Target, woman Alia Blower, and.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
A smart TV.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You know what, As far as I'm concerned, she gave
up rights to any marital property when she pulled her
stunt an expense declaration. We managed to get our mits
on shows. Peppini claims to have an income of one
thousand grand a month. You know what, get a second job, woman.
She had been awarded ten grand in her divorce. In
(22:23):
order to pay half a three thousand dollars debt, she
racked up on a best Buy credit card. She did
that after she was arrested April twenty twenty two. Who
is her landlord? Her new boyfriend, that is her landlord,
a widowed car dealer man. This girl, she jumps from
(22:46):
one pot of honey into the next. The four bedroom
home where she's living has a rental value of over
three grand a month. Now, that's according to Zillo, that's
over six times what she claims to pay to.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Her quote landlord.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Mmmmm, okay again, you have to take this all with
a box of salt, and with the backdrop of what
she did to her husband and children. Let's hear some
more Schery pet Peeni. Okay, it's just like the SNL
quote more cow Bell, I gotta have more Shery Petpenny.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Take a listen.
Speaker 15 (23:25):
The reason why you can describe the rooms is because
you stayed in the room in the dark for hourd
for days on end. The reason why you lost so
much weight is because you stopped eating. The reason why
you got a rash on your parm is because he
cleaned his house. The reason why the brand is because
he went to the store and bought.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
The brand and tools and branded you.
Speaker 15 (23:46):
The reason why your nose was broken is because of
a hockey stick. I know all of those things, and
I know there.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Was no sex.
Speaker 15 (23:54):
I know all of that because he passed a polygraph
test that said it's not an abduction.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
She asked me to come to give her so I
readed a car for a loop and picked her up.
He passed the polygraph test.
Speaker 15 (24:09):
Here.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Okay, it goes on and on and on talking about drama.
So in what kind of a mindset would she be
doctor Angie Arnold to literally starve herself.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I recall she lost I think forty pounds.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I can't remember how much weight she lost to break
your own nose with a hockey stick, and to Jackie
is very kindly, thank you Jackie for saying this is
something I can't get out of my head where she
literally burned letters into her skin.
Speaker 9 (24:42):
Well, Nancy, she was telling a lie and she has
gotten so caught up in this lie, and I imagine
it became harder and harder and harder, and she felt
like she needed to do more things for people to
believe this lie. And you know what, Nancy, we don't know.
Maybe she got into it too. I mean, there are
people who self harm. How do we know she's not
(25:05):
a self harming person.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Okay, there's self harm for reasons that you as a
shrink understand, and then there is self harm to further
your big fat lie. We have no evidence she suffered
from self harming before she had to convince her husband
and law enforcement that she truly had been kidnapped by
(25:30):
two women. And she says it with a straight face.
Take a listen to our cut sixty seven. She is
absolutely not giving up with this, even when confronted with
polygraphs in DNA.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Listen, that's not what happened.
Speaker 17 (25:43):
What didn't happen to change, there's no way, it's change.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
A way way DNA doesn't lie. His DNA is nasig.
There's no way Robert saw in the house.
Speaker 15 (26:00):
You were down there while everything is far control, his cousin.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Why everything ran out of control on the initial There's
no way it's Roberts.
Speaker 14 (26:12):
James's DNA even collected blond hairs from the room.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
There's no way. Why are you saying it's.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Not jac Guys, I'm not a shriek, I'm just a
jd okay, Joscott Morgan, do you hear this woman just
screaming there's no way it's not James. And James is
the ex boyfriend, and they're like, ms p PENI, we
have his DNA, we have your hair in his home.
(26:44):
And she's like, who's Robert, And they're like the guy
that kept coming into the apartment while you were there,
and you talk to him, that's James's cousin. And she
she will not she will not give up.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, she's steering straight down the barrel of mathematical probability
at this moment. Nancy, everybody you see all those memes
that float around and say math is hard, Well, this
is the reality of why you need to understand statistical analysis,
the odds that her hair would be there and that
her boyfriend's DNA would be on her are absolutely astronomical.
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And she understands enough to know that she's staring down
this from an evidentiary standpoint. But Nancy, I'll shut up
after this. I got to tell you, I see a lot,
a lot of parallels between this person and that scumbag
in South Carolina, Susan Smith, all those years ago and
what she perpetrayed. Remember she called out African Americans in
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that particular case and said that they had kidnapped those
babies and they had disappeared. She's pleading, asking, and she
gets wrapped up in this over and over again, and
you know, to go to doctor Angie's point. She keeps
playing along with it and burned deeper at the math
reveals and numbers reveal.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
She was there. She knows what.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Okay, Joe Scott, did I ever tell you that I
was in the middle of trying a case solo, And
of course I got into trouble in court like I
always did with the judge, and I called uh, the
guy that we were running the court together. I called
him herman Sloan and it asked him to come to court.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I said, bring the law quick, I need help. I'm
gonna get evidence ruled out.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
So he races to court to help me and successful,
I might add, he's a brainiac.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
And I looked at him and went herman, oh my.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Stars, you look exactly like the composite Susan Smith gave
the guy that took her children. You got an alibi
because I think somebody had already told him that, exactly
like Herma Slim, who, by the way, went on to
become a judge not connected to Susan Smith.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So yes, I mean, you're you're you know.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Another one that would just went down with the story
is Jody Arius. Jody Arius stuck to her story, un
tell she was absolutely cornered.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Then she came up with another lie. First I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Then okay, I was there, but they were two guys
dressed as ninjas and all black and they killed him
and I got away. Then it turned into self defense.
Yes I did it, but it was self defense.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Remember that, Remember that Joe Scott Morgan.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, I sure do.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
And this idea that you know and look again, not shrink,
that's doctor and Angie's round. But it's almost like this
delusional thing they wrapped themselves in. But it's not a delusion.
They're playing a part. At this moment in time, this
woman was playing a part, you know, running off to
the boyfriend's apartment like this and dragging him down this
road with her. It's baffles mine.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean, apparently she tells the boyfriend, my husband beats me,
my husband rapes me, when in reality, the husband practically
worshiped her.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
In the court filings, she herself described she lives in
a quote beautiful new home in Shingleton, California, where she
says the children will each be allowed to have their
own room and that she will redecorate them to the
children's liking if she has that kind of money. She
doesn't need his money. She also claims to have a normal,
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routine and stable job, a quote consultant position.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
She says she has it with a small La based
literary agency called Lady Moon Entertainment. Okay, what is Lady
Moon Entertainment? And do they not have Google? Okay? Back
to Sherry Peppini's stunt that broke the hearts of her family,
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let's circle back to cut sixty four. Sherry Papinia. Now listen, this.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Is what she's talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
She quote, I don't want you to find the person
who helped me escape, you know, the one that held
a gunt in my head.
Speaker 15 (31:15):
Listen, we're not to a point where anybody's going to
jail yet.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
We're not to a point of any anything like that.
We're just still at the talking stage. We're at the
control stage. Yeah, you seem scared.
Speaker 14 (31:29):
Shanks scared, but.
Speaker 18 (31:35):
When you don't answer sharing, it makes me concerned because
I want to heal it, shar answers, and I want
to be able to.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Understand any way to control things your throat.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
You know, I don't want you to find her.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
We're not going to find her.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
She's the reason why I get to see my children
every day.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I agree, we're not going to find her.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Suddenly, several she goes up. They say, Sherry, you seem scared,
and then she says, I don't. And then remember she's hysterical,
and then suddenly she's very calm, says I don't want
you to find her. She's playing them like a fiddle,
a strativarius fiddle. Let me add that in and then
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she drags her children into it.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
The reason I don't want you to find her.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
The woman that stood by while I was branded and
beaten and my nose broken, I was starved. I don't
want her to go to jail because she's the reason
I get to see my children every day. Hey, let's
hear sixty four one more time. Listen to the tonal
quality and the dichotomy and her first answers versus Suddenly
she gets calm an answer.
Speaker 15 (32:45):
It's not to a point where anybody's going to Tralia,
or not to a point of any anything like that.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
We're just still at the talking stage.
Speaker 18 (32:53):
We're at the control stage. You seem scared, Shrek, What
is it when you don't answer sharing it?
Speaker 14 (33:05):
It makes me concerned because I want to heal with
you answers, and I want to be able to.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Understand any way to control things you're threat.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
You know, I don't want you to find her.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
We're not going to find her. She's the reason why
I get to see my children every day. I agree,
we're not going to find her.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, we're not going to find her because she's not
real joining me right now, a private investigator renowned throughout
her area, Monyque Investigations joining us out of Omaha.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
You can find her on Twitter at mona Que Monique.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
How many times have you questioned someone and you just
keep asking them questions because you know they're lying. Did
you see the tonal quality of her answer shift? At
first she's saying, anyone, I'm scared, and then I meet
and suck it up a lot of snock into your
Then she goes very calmly.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I don't want you to find her about twenty.
Speaker 19 (34:07):
Seconds later, but yeah, she You know, her body language
tells us a lot, Her voice inflections tell us a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And enough right, tell me what do you mean by that?
Speaker 19 (34:18):
The way she's she's so calm and collected. At some
point she's hysterical. At other points she doesn't look at
the police officers, the detectives.
Speaker 9 (34:27):
In the eye.
Speaker 19 (34:30):
Another thing, getting back a little bit to the information
she's giving. She thinks she's in control, and she gives
so much detail, so much detail that you'd think that
they would be able to, you know, crack the case,
follow up, have leads to go on.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
I've worked so.
Speaker 19 (34:48):
Many cases over the years, over thirty some years, I've
never received this much detail from any witness. But yet
it's a little bit of information I have gotten has
led somewhere most cases. But she gives, you know, volumes
of very detailed information and it goes nowhere. You know,
they don't.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And what's amazing is they tell her straight up, we've
got DNA, we have your boyfriend, we've got your boyfriend's
cousin who will state. They're all stating you were there,
and you lie to them, and she still is not
giving it up. Okay, guys, listen to this. Now we
see a little crick Take a listen our cut sixty eight.
Speaker 11 (35:34):
At the at the end of everything, once we've you
had to have known that this was going to come
at some point. But then, how did we get to
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Costa Evanson?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
How are we going to know it?
Speaker 15 (36:02):
There's a big jump in a leaf from talking to
them in to getting in a car with somebody. Pout,
getting into a car with somebody because somebody you had
a relationship with.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
He told us about the abortion.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Wait a minute, abortion what abortion? Dave mac How did
I miss? Abortion? What abortion? What?
Speaker 10 (36:23):
They don't go into detail on her nancy, but what
they were trying to do is a pusher to letting
her know they've talked to this guy, they've already gone
over what he's told them, and they're telling her that
we know that you guys were so close that he
knows you had an abortion. That's what they were trying
to set up, that you're acting like this is two women,
and that James Reyes is just kind of out here
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in the periphery. But we know who he is to you,
and we're telling you right off, you guys are so
close that he knows about your abortion.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Okay, now I get it. Now.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Remember she's saying it's my fault because as I talked
to guys. What is that supposed to mean. I talked
to guys. I talked to guys every single day of
the week. My husband talks to women every single day
of the week. How is that supposed to get you
in trouble? But here we hear more of it. She's
still sticking to her lie. Don't get me wrong, our
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cut sixty nine fault.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
My fault was flirting with other men.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It was a stupid thing to do.
Speaker 20 (37:31):
Children's understandable. Flirting with other men not a crime. Lying
to me today yes, a crime.
Speaker 15 (37:44):
Big difference telling your story of what happened to you
isn't a crime.
Speaker 14 (37:48):
And I know you're scared of what Keith is going
to say and do, what's going to happen with you
and your family. Those are real concerns, but we also
need to understand the truth.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
What about her body language? Were you noticing Moni quay, Well.
Speaker 19 (38:05):
You know, she looks down a lot, She's kind of
curled up. She's not confident in what she's saying. She's
giving so many different detailed and so many stories that
she can't keep some of her stories straight, so they're conflicting.
Speaker 10 (38:21):
And you know that's a dead giveaway.
Speaker 19 (38:23):
And when she can't remember something, she said she sleeps
a lot. I mean she said she slept when they
picked her up. She couldn't give some details about the
direction the car may have gone because she was sleeping.
Yet she was just supposedly abducted.
Speaker 10 (38:39):
You know.
Speaker 12 (38:40):
Another thing that this is Wendy Patrick. Another part of
her body language which I found striking was she was
all she was closed. You know, you talk about opening
closed and who's approachable, and she couldn't be more defensive
and closed. It was almost like the way she curled
herself into a ball in her art and her legs
were crossed. There was everything about her body language that
just transmitted I'm stuck on corners. She was like an
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animal in the quarner of a cage. And that is
one of the huge tells that really was leading these
detectives to agree that you know, they had all the
evidence they needed. This was a staging act. This was
not something any.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
Part of it that was credible, right, I agree? I agree.
Speaker 19 (39:18):
I thought her buddy language said a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
What about the husband, Keith Peppenie, who has stood by
her from the get go? Take a listen to our
cut seventy on the husband and stayed around.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
The whole time all so I feel like my whole
world being flipped outside now again?
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Why is that? Why am always getting held out of it? Like?
Why can't you just hit me with it? Yeah, because
this happened London. You're saying you can't tell me helps.
Speaker 14 (39:46):
That that's so ongoing investigation.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
So you know I'm going to find an answer me
this a ways?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Can you help me get throw me a bone and
I go make you made it up?
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Is that where we're going right.
Speaker 14 (39:58):
Or is she trying to come over the whole Before
I can give you any invidual details. Obviously you've heard questions,
so you can read through some of those, and I
understand you've seen some of the photos, so you know
some of the investing. Yeah, yeah, but if you can
also notice your reaction compared to.
Speaker 10 (40:14):
Her reaction, he filed for divorce. As things sit now,
he did walk away. You heard him right there, this
cut and dry. He walked into that last interview Nancy
as the doating husband who believed everything she said. And
we're talking an hour and a half later, he's he
is gobsmacked. You know, he doesn't he didn't know this
was going to happen, and boom. That's why he says,
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you know, my whole world has flipped upside down again.
And then he says, you know you just heard he said, well,
can you help me throw me a bone? You know
she made it up? Is that where we're going? Is
she trying to come up with a whole nother story?
Speaker 17 (40:48):
Now?
Speaker 10 (40:48):
I mean that's this guy was rocked.
Speaker 19 (40:51):
To his core.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
You know, I was just looking through these documents. The
penny writes, my whole life has been planned around my children,
and I will continue to adjust to their needs for
the rest of my life.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Really, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I just can't get past your big fake kidnapping where
you made them suffer. I remember being on the hunt
to find Sherry Pepenie, and I'm telling you this ex husband,
this dad has been through enough. Hey, lady, you know
(41:28):
what you can do with your leaf blower. Okay, I
won't finish that thought. Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Imagine leaving your husband and children to suffer the unthinkable,
to believe mommy has been kidnapped, possibly even dead, and
to let that suffering go on for weeks. Well, that
is exactly what kidnapp fraudster Sherry Peppini did when she
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pretended to have been kidnapped while taking a jog, leaving
her entire family, including children, husband, extended relatives to suffer,
only to find out she was hold up at her
boyfriend's house the whole time, then coming up with a
big lie, blaming two Hispanic women for the kidnap, even
starving herself, losing tens and tens of pounds bruises she
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put on her face and body, even believe it or not,
branding herself. She branded her own skin as if the
quote kidnappers did it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Oh, I mean it goes on and on. But that said, now.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
She's back in court again, demanding thirty thousand dollars. You
heard me right, kidnapped fraudster shehery Peppinie in court, poor mouthing,
demanding thirty thousand dollars. You know what she owes everybody,
thirty thousand dollars for the pain and suffering she put
everybody through, much less the fact that she took away
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time from real crime victims for herself centered Let me
just say, Lark, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us. Why is Sherry Peppinie
in court whining she wants thirty grand because she's in
a custody battle against her ex husband g who should
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have custody the loving father that supported the family or
the mom that freaked everybody up she had been kidnapped.
She's in court actually demanding he pay her thirty thousand
dollars in legal fees.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And the whole time she's.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Living in a luxurious for bedroom home owned by her
new boyfriend. Wow does he not have the Internet? Whatever
she claims, she only makes one thousand dollars a month
from a job and living with the boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
You heard me right.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
California's Sherry Peppini faked her own kidnap and it was
kind of a gone girl style plot, and now she's
chasing down the husband she hoodwinked for lack of the
better term, she faked out for thirty grand to cover
legal fees and for the cost of a custody fight
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she started. Now keep in mind all this is while
she's living a luxury life, the entire thing bankrolled by
her big bucks new lover. Now, Peppini was jailed back
in twenty twenty two over the plot. The plot she
cooked up where she vanished and I'm saying that with
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big air quotes for three weeks. Then she lied to
police and to her husband about the fake kidnapping. Okay,
instead the whole time she was shacked up with an
ex boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Now now she's living.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
In a nearly million dollar mansion paid for by her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Who is he?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
He is a widowed car dealer from Orland, California. And ps,
she's driving a brand new Jeep SUV. Wonder where that
came from. Let's just say she doesn't have any car payments.
But let me take you back to the time of
the kidnap. Well, I can't even see kidnap, of the fakery,
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what happened? Let me just jog your memory because guess
what we have today for your viewing and listening pleasure.
Videotapes of Peppini sticking to her lies. She is in
interrogation after interrogation after interrogation.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I just can't stop looking at the lies.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
This woman just comes from her mouth and she fully
expects everybody to believe her. But this is where it
all started. Take a listener. Our friends karc R.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Keith Pappini came home last Wednesday and his wife, Sherry Pappini,
was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
In normal days, I would open the door and my
families comes and runs and gives me a hug.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
But there were no welcoming hugs. So he searched in
the house and their property, but learned the children were
still at daycare. He found Sherry's phone down the street.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
That's when I knew she had been, in my opinion,
taken or abducted.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Now days later, family, friends, the community, and law enforcement
are still looking for Sherry.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's the worst thing in the world. It's the worst
thing ever.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Time going by slowly and their children don't know their
mother is missing.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's hard waiting.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You know, you're waiting. You're waiting for a phone call,
You're waiting for something to tell us you know, this
is the direction, or this is the house, or this
is the car, and that is that is very difficult
right now, but.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Keith is determined to find her.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
If she was listening, I wanted to say that we're
trying the best we can, and I'm so sorry that
I'm not there.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
The family believes she was abducted and has this message.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Bring her home, bring her home?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Does bring her home?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Okay? I almost made a smart alic crack about waiting, waiting, waiting,
waiting for what you're lying wife to call him and say, oh, honey,
I fed up, But then I heard his voice crack,
and it reminded me of all the suffering that he
and his children and all Papini's family went through.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Daring your her hoax.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Hey, I'm going to introduce a whole panel, but let
me go first to Joseph Scott Morgan, professor Forrensis Jacksonville
State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet. He's
a star of a brand new hit series called body
Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart and Elsewhere. It's great,
Joe Scott, I remember, at the beginning, the very beginning,
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when Pepini went missing, you and I talked and I said,
you know something that's really bothering me about this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
About the kidnap thing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Is that her phone was placed carefully on the ground.
It was placed somewhere where it would be found, and
it wasn't just thrown into the brush. And not only that,
the earbuds were attached with a wire and they were
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wrapped very neatly around the phone and then play there.
I'm like, you know what, that one detail that doesn't
fit And I'm telling you, one detail can break a case.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Joe Scott can and a neat little feature that was
involved with this were a few strands for hair that
were caught up in that. And I look at this
now retrospectively, and I wonder, you know what, I wonder
if this was planned as well?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
You rip some hair out of there. Yeah, you're pulling
your own hair out, and.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
You're gonna wad it up in there too, neatly place
it out side of the road, because they use that
where's my iPhone out?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I didn't even think of that Jack pulling her hair
out in addition to branding herself and breaking her own nose. Okay,
I'd love to gab with you, but let's move forward
and take a listen to Alice and sudden this.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Is the woman that sees BUTPEDI by the side of
the road.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
I saw her very very quickly. Her face looked I
thought her face was dirty, but based on what I
know now, I'm guessing that what I thought was dirt
on her face was the bruises restraints. It was so dark,
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I barely barely saw her. And like I said, it
was a flash because that area is so dark.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Four thirty in the morning, Peppini is out wandering the streets,
covered in bruises and still in restraints. So just add
that to the listings restrained herself.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Now it keeps going. Listen to our friends at GMA.
Speaker 8 (08:32):
Puppini seemingly disappeared in November of twenty sixteen, reappearing three
weeks later badly injured, claiming she was abducted by two
Hispanic women and physically and emotionally tortured, beaten, and drugged.
Her husband Keith, speaking exclusively to ABC News just days
after they were reunited at the hospital.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Well, the officers kind of like braced me and kind
of put his arm around me, and he said, you know,
prepare yourself. She's alive and you just got to be happy.
And they branded her and in her poor face got
like nauseat and just looking at her, it's so hard
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for me to see her like they had And bruises
were just intends, the bumps from you know, being hitting,
kicked in whatever else you.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Know, do Doctor Angela Arnold, we're making light of it
because we know Sherry the pain. He's a big liar
and she costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to law enforcement.
But did you hear the husband? And what about the children?
They're going to remember the rest of their lives. Mommy
went missing and she.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Faked the whole thing.
Speaker 9 (09:37):
Well, and I think, how can you do that to
your children? And I think the sad thing too, is Nancy,
what are they ever going to believe? What are they
ever going to be able to believe in their lives?
Speaker 10 (09:47):
Again?
Speaker 9 (09:47):
She has left them all with this hole inside of
them that they're not going to be able to believe.
She is cridwolf. They're not going to be able to
believe as someone is telling the truth.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Hey, doctor an Doughter, Angie, you've got to hear her
words from the horse's mouth. Doctor Angela Arnold with me,
renowned psychiatrist out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold md dot com. Guys,
take a listen to Sherry Peppini, so call super Mom
describing the chain the two Hispanic women. Remember, guys, they
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didn't exist. She nearly got women arrested. They kind of
fit her fate composite, the imaginary Hispanic women placed imaginary
chains around her waist, and she says this with his
straight face.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Listen, these are our friends at ABC.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
There was a chain around my waist. Do you know
what what you were affixed to? Was it tether? Was
it like a robe? A metal cable? About the bathroom? Teleclay?
It just was a standard.
Speaker 11 (10:52):
There was a crack in the tile.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
It was a light colored tile that was speckled. There
was a crack in the tile.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Sherry Peppini just cannot stay
out of the headlines, and not in a good way.
Despite her extremely silverspoon privileged lifestyle. She has now gone
into court and planed poverty and trying to force her
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ex husband, you know, the one she faked out, the
one who was crying and upset on TV begging for
her return. That guy to cough up thirty grand to
pay for her share of a legal fight for custody,
a fight that she started. Now, remember Puppini convicted back
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in twenty twenty two for faking the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
What more does her husband have to endure? Now?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
The husband, Keith Pappenie, is vehemently opposed to giving Sherry Pepini,
his ex any more access to their children.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
He wants her to see a shrink.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Do you blame him and undergo a psychological evaluation and
be barred from seeing the children unsupervised? Now, I gotta
tell you this is conjuring up images of Josh Powell. Okay,
Josh Powell. I don't know if that's ringing a bell
(12:29):
to you. Josh Powell, I'm convinced murdered his wife. He
murdered the mother of his two little boys. His wife,
Susan Powell, a wonderful lady.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
She went missing in.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
The middle of the night with some bogus story by
Josh Powell that they went camping in sub zero temperatures
with their little boys in toe.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Okay, that and happen She's dead.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And when friendsic Specialists asked the little boys what happened,
they drew pictures of mommy in the car trunk and
then they said, mommy's in the crystal minds. In other words,
their dad killed her and upped her body. That's what
that means. Anyway, back to Peppini in the Josh Powell case,
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he was supposed to have supervised visitation with the boys.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
The ding Dong defects worker takes the boys to his
front door. He snatches them inside, then he kills them
both with an axe and blows up the house. Thanks
de Facts, you score it again in this case here
with Sherry Peppini, she needs a psychological evaluation to make
(13:54):
sure that she can take care of those children, and
she should never never see them unsupervised after what she did.
She treaked the whole country, Cops, all sorts of law enforcement,
her family, her husband, all for attention. Oh hln, No,
she is not having unsupervised visitation. But let me jog
(14:16):
your memory again about what happened when Sherry Peppeni quote
went missing end quote.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Wendy, thanks for making time to be with us.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
You know, I always look for stories if I'm deciding
about credibility of a witness, and I have directed and
cross examined over ten thousand witnesses in one way or another,
whether it's a motion to suppress, whether it's some other
sort of preliminary motion, whether it's a witness trial. It
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goes on and on. You know, they really rack up
Wendy when you're trying cases. But long story short, I
look for richness in detail. Like if some if Jackie
were telling me, oh, I'm going to be late to
the studio today, I'm like, why long pause?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Car problems? What kind of problem? Flat? Where are you?
Big long pause? Are Mike? Wait? Weren't you taking an
ober this week? Bigger pause?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
So if you question and you're looking for detail, it's
not that hard to crack a story. And this woman
is full of details, right down to the crack and
the tile.
Speaker 12 (15:28):
And you know, Nancy, that really was what broke the
story for investigators is there was so much details. There
was an overabundance of dramatic detail that actually ended up
being suspicious. It wasn't an issue of pausing. It was
almost an issue of having precreated this, hope, this story
that was just a little too fantastic. And as you mentioned,
(15:51):
investigators no not only what to look for, what to
ask about, but then how to compare the way a
story changes and all of those details made her recitation
suspicious right from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I never have a problem with the witness adding to
the story because under the correct questioning they may say, well, yeah,
and she gave me a diet coke, or she this
or she that under the right questioning, But to actually
change the story as a whole other can worms. And
you hit the nail on the head when you said drama.
Let's hear more from Sherry peppeni But what about this rope,
(16:25):
this chain, and what about the so called boyfriend, the
ex boyfriend she's somehow convinced to join her in her
crazy scheme.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Take a listen to our buddy, Matt Gutman it.
Speaker 13 (16:40):
Over the next six years, investigators would piece together how
Peppenie had lied about everything from her fictional abduction to
injuries which were largely self inflicted DNA from her clothing,
eventually leading them to her ex boyfriend, James Rayes.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I didn't get that her, you know, I just friend
in need asking pro and that was that? What did
she say? She was ranging away from her resident are
having d two here? Hasn't read for you. I don't
know what her jale.
Speaker 14 (17:10):
Was look at my room in the closet, and I'm
sure Sip it's the same as she described it.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 9 (17:17):
This apartment, this closet, and this bathroom.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Looked just like the place that Sherry says she was
held captive. Wow, where the two Hispanic women hailed her
captive and starved her and bade her looks just like
the inside of her ex boyfriend's apartment where she hid out.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Take a listener.
Speaker 13 (17:39):
More authority say Pepped's allegations of abuse against her husband
were unfounded and that James Reyes had no knowledge of
her plan, and with Rais's cooperation, investigators now believed they
had solid proof Sheriff Peppedi's kidnapping was a hoax that was.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
On you belongs to James Race. You talked to him.
Speaker 15 (18:01):
We've been on a polygraph. We talked to everybody around him.
We have the rental agreements, phone mental the car mental agreements.
The reason why you lost so much weight is because
you stopped eating. The reason why the brand is because
he went to the store and bought the brand Natols
and branded you. The reason why your nose was broken
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it is because of a hot stick.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, so she branded herself and broke her own nose
with me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Dave Matt Dave,
Where do you get a brand? I mean, I've been
in plenty of hardware stores, but a brand.
Speaker 10 (18:38):
Actually, Nancy, it was a woodburning kit. Remember the little
kits we buy for our children where they can make
their own little designs with the little hating element and
little yes, a kind of that's what they used. And
actually they picked out it was a woodburning kit. And
then that kit it has certain symbols and in this
particular case, letters and numbers, and that's what they used.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Look, I know she's cost a lot of pain, but
a kid's woodburning kit?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Jack, did you hear that? Do we know what symbols
she used?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It was always kind of held tight to the vest. Okay,
you pull it up, guys, I want to skip forward
to our cut sixty five. I've got to hear more
of Sherry Peppenie and you let me know when you
find out what the brand was. Anybody that finds out
what it is, jump in and remember, guests.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
This is not Tea at High Grove. Okay.
Speaker 10 (19:27):
Jump in the Bible verse was Exodus twenty one sixteen.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Exodus twenty one sixteen. I know Bob's Bible scholar.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
What's Exodus twenty one sixteen? What does that mean?
Speaker 10 (19:37):
It's actually it's actually about kidnapping the oh.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Dear Lord, and she dragged the Bible into it.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Yes, And the Exodus twenty one sixteen is anyone who
kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the
victim has been sold or is still in the kidnappers possession.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Okay, thank you for that tidbit.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Let's go forward with Sherry Peppini under inch irrigation by
Shasta County Sheriff's detect is this is our cut sixty five.
Speaker 16 (20:04):
She's the reason what to men that she means the
younger one letter ago? Right, So we're referring to we're
not gonna find her, and we can we can just skip.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
To we can skip to the rock into the water
and ruffle up upon if we want to now again,
this is your last opera. This is the last time
if you want to do this alone or with Keith.
Keith spinning through this also on a different level.
Speaker 15 (20:32):
So I'm I'm ready just to I'm ready to move
on and throw.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
The dark and throw the rock and see what happens
for the water. But sure, look at me, what do
you want? I don't want her to get in trouble.
She's not gonna get in trouble.
Speaker 17 (20:48):
So the DNA came back to James Rid okay, So
she's sticking to her story. DNA is found connected to
Sherry Peppenie that no doubt about it is her ex
boyfriend James Rays.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But she is sticking to her story.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
What is she saying, Dave Max, She's saying, I don't
want her to get in trouble, and she says it,
so call me. Is she still she's going down with
a ship about the two Hispanic women.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
Absolutely, And what she had told you that previously was
that the younger of the two Hispanic women held a
gun and told her to leave, and saying that it
was the younger of the two kidnappers that actually let
her go. And as she says, you know, giving me
the chance to see my children.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Now think about it. Sherry Pepinie is living in a
million dollar home. But now not only is she demanding
thirty grand, she's asking well demanding the ex husband hand
over in a ray of items from their marital home
for instance, Grandpa's truck, an inflatable water slide, go buy
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one at Target, woman Alia Blower, and.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
A smart TV.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
You know what, As far as I'm concerned, she gave
up rights to any marital property when she pulled her
stunt an expense declaration. We managed to get our mits
on shows. Peppini claims to have an income of one
thousand grand a month. You know what, get a second job, woman.
She had been awarded ten grand in her divorce. In
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order to pay half a three thousand dollars debt, she
racked up on a best Buy credit card. She did
that after she was arrested April twenty twenty two. Who
is her landlord? Her new boyfriend, that is her landlord,
a widowed car dealer man. This girl, she jumps from
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one pot of honey into the next. The four bedroom
home where she's living has a rental value of over
three grand a month. Now, that's according to Zillo, that's
over six times what she claims to pay to.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Her quote landlord.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Mmmmm, okay again, you have to take this all with
a box of salt, and with the backdrop of what
she did to her husband and children. Let's hear some
more Schery pet Peeni. Okay, it's just like the SNL
quote more cow Bell, I gotta have more Shery Petpenny.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Take a listen.
Speaker 15 (23:25):
The reason why you can describe the rooms is because
you stayed in the room in the dark for hourd
for days on end. The reason why you lost so
much weight is because you stopped eating. The reason why
you got a rash on your parm is because he
cleaned his house. The reason why the brand is because
he went to the store and bought.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
The brand and tools and branded you.
Speaker 15 (23:46):
The reason why your nose was broken is because of
a hockey stick. I know all of those things, and
I know there.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Was no sex.
Speaker 15 (23:54):
I know all of that because he passed a polygraph
test that said it's not an abduction.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
She asked me to come to give her so I
readed a car for a loop and picked her up.
He passed the polygraph test.
Speaker 15 (24:09):
Here.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Okay, it goes on and on and on talking about drama.
So in what kind of a mindset would she be
doctor Angie Arnold to literally starve herself.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I recall she lost I think forty pounds.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I can't remember how much weight she lost to break
your own nose with a hockey stick, and to Jackie
is very kindly, thank you Jackie for saying this is
something I can't get out of my head where she
literally burned letters into her skin.
Speaker 9 (24:42):
Well, Nancy, she was telling a lie and she has
gotten so caught up in this lie, and I imagine
it became harder and harder and harder, and she felt
like she needed to do more things for people to
believe this lie. And you know what, Nancy, we don't know.
Maybe she got into it too. I mean, there are
people who self harm. How do we know she's not
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a self harming person.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Okay, there's self harm for reasons that you as a
shrink understand, and then there is self harm to further
your big fat lie. We have no evidence she suffered
from self harming before she had to convince her husband
and law enforcement that she truly had been kidnapped by
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two women. And she says it with a straight face.
Take a listen to our cut sixty seven. She is
absolutely not giving up with this, even when confronted with
polygraphs in DNA.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Listen, that's not what happened.
Speaker 17 (25:43):
What didn't happen to change, there's no way, it's change.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
A way way DNA doesn't lie. His DNA is nasig.
There's no way Robert saw in the house.
Speaker 15 (26:00):
You were down there while everything is far control, his cousin.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Why everything ran out of control on the initial There's
no way it's Roberts.
Speaker 14 (26:12):
James's DNA even collected blond hairs from the room.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
There's no way. Why are you saying it's.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Not jac Guys, I'm not a shriek, I'm just a
jd okay, Joscott Morgan, do you hear this woman just
screaming there's no way it's not James. And James is
the ex boyfriend, and they're like, ms p PENI, we
have his DNA, we have your hair in his home.
(26:44):
And she's like, who's Robert, And they're like the guy
that kept coming into the apartment while you were there,
and you talk to him, that's James's cousin. And she
she will not she will not give up.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, she's steering straight down the barrel of mathematical probability
at this moment. Nancy, everybody you see all those memes
that float around and say math is hard, Well, this
is the reality of why you need to understand statistical analysis,
the odds that her hair would be there and that
her boyfriend's DNA would be on her are absolutely astronomical.
(27:21):
And she understands enough to know that she's staring down
this from an evidentiary standpoint. But Nancy, I'll shut up
after this. I got to tell you, I see a lot,
a lot of parallels between this person and that scumbag
in South Carolina, Susan Smith, all those years ago and
what she perpetrayed. Remember she called out African Americans in
(27:43):
that particular case and said that they had kidnapped those
babies and they had disappeared. She's pleading, asking, and she
gets wrapped up in this over and over again, and
you know, to go to doctor Angie's point. She keeps
playing along with it and burned deeper at the math
reveals and numbers reveal.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
She was there. She knows what.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Okay, Joe Scott, did I ever tell you that I
was in the middle of trying a case solo, And
of course I got into trouble in court like I
always did with the judge, and I called uh, the
guy that we were running the court together. I called
him herman Sloan and it asked him to come to court.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I said, bring the law quick, I need help. I'm
gonna get evidence ruled out.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
So he races to court to help me and successful,
I might add, he's a brainiac.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
And I looked at him and went herman, oh my.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Stars, you look exactly like the composite Susan Smith gave
the guy that took her children. You got an alibi
because I think somebody had already told him that, exactly
like Herma Slim, who, by the way, went on to
become a judge not connected to Susan Smith.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So yes, I mean, you're you're you know.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Another one that would just went down with the story
is Jody Arius. Jody Arius stuck to her story, un
tell she was absolutely cornered.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Then she came up with another lie. First I wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Then okay, I was there, but they were two guys
dressed as ninjas and all black and they killed him
and I got away. Then it turned into self defense.
Yes I did it, but it was self defense.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Remember that, Remember that Joe Scott Morgan.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, I sure do.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
And this idea that you know and look again, not shrink,
that's doctor and Angie's round. But it's almost like this
delusional thing they wrapped themselves in. But it's not a delusion.
They're playing a part. At this moment in time, this
woman was playing a part, you know, running off to
the boyfriend's apartment like this and dragging him down this
road with her. It's baffles mine.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I mean, apparently she tells the boyfriend, my husband beats me,
my husband rapes me, when in reality, the husband practically
worshiped her.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
In the court filings, she herself described she lives in
a quote beautiful new home in Shingleton, California, where she
says the children will each be allowed to have their
own room and that she will redecorate them to the
children's liking if she has that kind of money. She
doesn't need his money. She also claims to have a normal,
(30:33):
routine and stable job, a quote consultant position.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
She says she has it with a small La based
literary agency called Lady Moon Entertainment. Okay, what is Lady
Moon Entertainment? And do they not have Google? Okay? Back
to Sherry Peppini's stunt that broke the hearts of her family,
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let's circle back to cut sixty four. Sherry Papinia. Now listen, this.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Is what she's talking about.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
She quote, I don't want you to find the person
who helped me escape, you know, the one that held
a gunt in my head.
Speaker 15 (31:15):
Listen, we're not to a point where anybody's going to
jail yet.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
We're not to a point of any anything like that.
We're just still at the talking stage. We're at the
control stage. Yeah, you seem scared.
Speaker 14 (31:29):
Shanks scared, but.
Speaker 18 (31:35):
When you don't answer sharing, it makes me concerned because
I want to heal it, shar answers, and I want
to be able to.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Understand any way to control things your throat.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
You know, I don't want you to find her.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
We're not going to find her.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
She's the reason why I get to see my children
every day.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
I agree, we're not going to find her.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Suddenly, several she goes up. They say, Sherry, you seem scared,
and then she says, I don't. And then remember she's hysterical,
and then suddenly she's very calm, says I don't want
you to find her. She's playing them like a fiddle,
a strativarius fiddle. Let me add that in and then
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she drags her children into it.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
The reason I don't want you to find her.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
The woman that stood by while I was branded and
beaten and my nose broken, I was starved. I don't
want her to go to jail because she's the reason
I get to see my children every day. Hey, let's
hear sixty four one more time. Listen to the tonal
quality and the dichotomy and her first answers versus Suddenly
she gets calm an answer.
Speaker 15 (32:45):
It's not to a point where anybody's going to Tralia,
or not to a point of any anything like that.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
We're just still at the talking stage.
Speaker 18 (32:53):
We're at the control stage. You seem scared, Shrek, What
is it when you don't answer sharing it?
Speaker 14 (33:05):
It makes me concerned because I want to heal with
you answers, and I want to be able to.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Understand any way to control things you're threat.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
You know, I don't want you to find her.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
We're not going to find her. She's the reason why
I get to see my children every day. I agree,
we're not going to find her.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, we're not going to find her because she's not
real joining me right now, a private investigator renowned throughout
her area, Monyque Investigations joining us out of Omaha.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
You can find her on Twitter at mona Que Monique.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
How many times have you questioned someone and you just
keep asking them questions because you know they're lying. Did
you see the tonal quality of her answer shift? At
first she's saying, anyone, I'm scared, and then I meet
and suck it up a lot of snock into your
Then she goes very calmly.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I don't want you to find her about twenty.
Speaker 19 (34:07):
Seconds later, but yeah, she You know, her body language
tells us a lot, Her voice inflections tell us a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And enough right, tell me what do you mean by that?
Speaker 19 (34:18):
The way she's she's so calm and collected. At some
point she's hysterical. At other points she doesn't look at
the police officers, the detectives.
Speaker 9 (34:27):
In the eye.
Speaker 19 (34:30):
Another thing, getting back a little bit to the information
she's giving. She thinks she's in control, and she gives
so much detail, so much detail that you'd think that
they would be able to, you know, crack the case,
follow up, have leads to go on.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
I've worked so.
Speaker 19 (34:48):
Many cases over the years, over thirty some years, I've
never received this much detail from any witness. But yet
it's a little bit of information I have gotten has
led somewhere most cases. But she gives, you know, volumes
of very detailed information and it goes nowhere. You know,
they don't.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And what's amazing is they tell her straight up, we've
got DNA, we have your boyfriend, we've got your boyfriend's
cousin who will state. They're all stating you were there,
and you lie to them, and she still is not
giving it up. Okay, guys, listen to this. Now we
see a little crick Take a listen our cut sixty eight.
Speaker 11 (35:34):
At the at the end of everything, once we've you
had to have known that this was going to come
at some point. But then, how did we get to
(35:56):
Costa Evanson?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
How are we going to know it?
Speaker 15 (36:02):
There's a big jump in a leaf from talking to
them in to getting in a car with somebody. Pout,
getting into a car with somebody because somebody you had
a relationship with.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
He told us about the abortion.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Wait a minute, abortion what abortion? Dave mac How did
I miss? Abortion? What abortion? What?
Speaker 10 (36:23):
They don't go into detail on her nancy, but what
they were trying to do is a pusher to letting
her know they've talked to this guy, they've already gone
over what he's told them, and they're telling her that
we know that you guys were so close that he
knows you had an abortion. That's what they were trying
to set up, that you're acting like this is two women,
and that James Reyes is just kind of out here
(36:45):
in the periphery. But we know who he is to you,
and we're telling you right off, you guys are so
close that he knows about your abortion.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Okay, now I get it. Now.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Remember she's saying it's my fault because as I talked
to guys. What is that supposed to mean. I talked
to guys. I talked to guys every single day of
the week. My husband talks to women every single day
of the week. How is that supposed to get you
in trouble? But here we hear more of it. She's
still sticking to her lie. Don't get me wrong, our
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cut sixty nine fault.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
My fault was flirting with other men.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It was a stupid thing to do.
Speaker 20 (37:31):
Children's understandable. Flirting with other men not a crime. Lying
to me today yes, a crime.
Speaker 15 (37:44):
Big difference telling your story of what happened to you
isn't a crime.
Speaker 14 (37:48):
And I know you're scared of what Keith is going
to say and do, what's going to happen with you
and your family. Those are real concerns, but we also
need to understand the truth.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
What about her body language? Were you noticing Moni quay, Well.
Speaker 19 (38:05):
You know, she looks down a lot, She's kind of
curled up. She's not confident in what she's saying. She's
giving so many different detailed and so many stories that
she can't keep some of her stories straight, so they're conflicting.
Speaker 10 (38:21):
And you know that's a dead giveaway.
Speaker 19 (38:23):
And when she can't remember something, she said she sleeps
a lot. I mean she said she slept when they
picked her up. She couldn't give some details about the
direction the car may have gone because she was sleeping.
Yet she was just supposedly abducted.
Speaker 10 (38:39):
You know.
Speaker 12 (38:40):
Another thing that this is Wendy Patrick. Another part of
her body language which I found striking was she was
all she was closed. You know, you talk about opening
closed and who's approachable, and she couldn't be more defensive
and closed. It was almost like the way she curled
herself into a ball in her art and her legs
were crossed. There was everything about her body language that
just transmitted I'm stuck on corners. She was like an
(39:02):
animal in the quarner of a cage. And that is
one of the huge tells that really was leading these
detectives to agree that you know, they had all the
evidence they needed. This was a staging act. This was
not something any.
Speaker 10 (39:14):
Part of it that was credible, right, I agree? I agree.
Speaker 19 (39:18):
I thought her buddy language said a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
What about the husband, Keith Peppenie, who has stood by
her from the get go? Take a listen to our
cut seventy on the husband and stayed around.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
The whole time all so I feel like my whole
world being flipped outside now again?
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Why is that? Why am always getting held out of it? Like?
Why can't you just hit me with it? Yeah, because
this happened London. You're saying you can't tell me helps.
Speaker 14 (39:46):
That that's so ongoing investigation.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
So you know I'm going to find an answer me
this a ways?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Can you help me get throw me a bone and
I go make you made it up?
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Is that where we're going right.
Speaker 14 (39:58):
Or is she trying to come over the whole Before
I can give you any invidual details. Obviously you've heard questions,
so you can read through some of those, and I
understand you've seen some of the photos, so you know
some of the investing. Yeah, yeah, but if you can
also notice your reaction compared to.
Speaker 10 (40:14):
Her reaction, he filed for divorce. As things sit now,
he did walk away. You heard him right there, this
cut and dry. He walked into that last interview Nancy
as the doating husband who believed everything she said. And
we're talking an hour and a half later, he's he
is gobsmacked. You know, he doesn't he didn't know this
was going to happen, and boom. That's why he says,
(40:36):
you know, my whole world has flipped upside down again.
And then he says, you know you just heard he said, well,
can you help me throw me a bone? You know
she made it up? Is that where we're going? Is
she trying to come up with a whole nother story?
Speaker 17 (40:48):
Now?
Speaker 10 (40:48):
I mean that's this guy was rocked.
Speaker 19 (40:51):
To his core.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
You know, I was just looking through these documents. The
penny writes, my whole life has been planned around my children,
and I will continue to adjust to their needs for
the rest of my life.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Really, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I just can't get past your big fake kidnapping where
you made them suffer. I remember being on the hunt
to find Sherry Pepenie, and I'm telling you this ex husband,
this dad has been through enough. Hey, lady, you know
(41:28):
what you can do with your leaf blower. Okay, I
won't finish that thought. Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend.
Host
Nancy Grace
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