May 9, 2024 • 36 mins
As volunteer searchers try to locate all of teen girl Sade Robinson’s remains, a gruesome discovery... this time, at a remote, tree-lined stretch of beach along Lake Michigan.
Just after 7:30 a.m., someone walking along a South Milwaukee water line discovered an arm and torso. The remains washed ashore about a quarter mile away from a nearby apartment complex. Residents watched as officers carried a body bag down the cliff to recover an arm and torso. Sade's father has joined in the search for his daughter's remains.
We have also learned that inside the unfinished basement that police have called a “sex dungeon,” it’s in disarray. A large hole has been dug in the concrete floor. A drain in the floor is stuffed with towels, the drain cover is marked with evidence numbers. A door without a handle leads to a dark closet with several tables, a chair, and exercise equipment.
The mattress of a queen bedframe is flipped on its side, and bedding is tossed over a table in the corner of the room.
A circle saw, hack saw, and a power drill were also recovered from Anderson’s backyard.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Carlos Robinson - Sade's Dad
- Eric Faddis – Partner at Varner Faddis Elite Legal, Former Felony Prosecutor and Current Criminal Defense and Civil Litigation Attorney; Instagram: @e_fad @varnerfaddis; TikTok: @varnerfaddis
- Scott Johnson – Forensic Psychologist (Minnesota): 32 years specializing in addressing sexual predators
- Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth) and Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School
- Bria Jones - Reporter, Fox6 News – Milwaukee; X: @BriaJonesTV Facebook: Bria Jones TV
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Breaking news.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Tonight, teen girl Shahday Robinson tells France she's excited about
a first date with the son of a Milwaukee millionaire,
but did her so called date lure the college co
ed onto a date turned murder? Tonight, inside the underground
torture dungeon in the murder suspect's home, where a hacksaw,
(00:31):
a circle saw, and a power drill are discovered. Is
that where Shade spent her very last moments alive? And
if so, what evidence does it reveal? Good evening, I'm
Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
(00:51):
with us.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Footage from inside the unfinished basement the police have called
a sex dungeon shows it's in disarray. A large hole
has been dug in the concrete floor. A drain in
the floor is stuffed with towels. The drink cover marked
with evidence numbers. A door without a handle leads to
a dark closet, and there are several tables, a chair
and exercise equipment. The mattress of a queen bed frame
(01:12):
is flipped on its side and betting is tossed over
a table in the corner of the.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Room you are seeing footage that we have managed to
obtain of the underground torture chamber as it has been described.
But there is more more than what you're seeing. From
a hack saw to a circular saw, to a power drill,
(01:38):
a grave dug in the backyard, various sex paraphernalia all found,
and this underground bunker belonging to the son of a
Milwaukee millionaire. We also learned that he was in fact
digging another underground layer. What if anything will this reveal?
(02:04):
Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
what we are learning at this hour and how that
translates to probative evidence, evidence that proves something at trial.
But before I go into evidence, I want to welcome
a very special guest joining us. We have heard from
(02:24):
Shade's mother. She has joined us several times. Joining us
now is Shahda's father, mister Carlos Robinson. Mister Robinson, thank
you for being with us. Mister Robinson, When did you
learn that Shahday had been killed?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
For sure?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
When the DNA came back as a match to mine.
When she was missing, I was hopefully she was still here.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Up until that point, did you you believe that she
was just missing, that she would be found.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Yes, that that's what I was praying for her, she
would be found, that that the body parts wasn't hers, and.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
That she is going to be found.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Joining me a Shade's father, Carlos Robinson, Mister Robinson, there
was a moment where a volunteer, not police, but a
volunteer discovered, as it's being called, a pet tribute blanket.
A lot of people have them. We have one of
a little pet off shah Dazz and it was found
(03:39):
wet and dirty and filthy in a park area, a
part for children area, and nearby were human body parts.
When you heard her blanket, her little pet tribute blanket
had been found. What we it through your mind?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
This, all of this is incomprehensible.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
You know, I don't understand how the community and I
appreciate everything that they're doing. How they can find a
blanket that was already searched by an area that was
already searched by the the authorities.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Was it, mister Robinson, Had that area been thoroughly searched
by authorities, because it's my understanding, volunteers found body parts
as well.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, I talked to the.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
To the police after they the blanket was found, and
I asked them why they didn't find it, because they
told me they searched that area previously.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Uhuh, So I don't know how they searched it and
didn't see that.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
H Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I don't know if it's limited resources or what.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Uh Huh, it's it's it's it's I don't feel like
it's a lot of uhh.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Uhh uh real.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Effort being put trying to find her. I've been here,
uh since eleven o'clock last night. I haven't been to sleep.
I've been to the parts, I've been all over uh
the flashlights, a binoculars, and I just don't feel like
(05:37):
I can sleep.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I just need to I just want to find her,
you know, But I don't.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
I don't feel like it's a it's a let's say, uh,
the effort that this should be a I don't feel
like they're doing the effort that they need to do
to find her, using the resources whatever they have to do,
H to find my baby girl.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Mister Robinson, what are you looking for?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
I keep uh, there's only two body parts left we
have found, and I just want to put her the
rest properly. I keep having dreams about it. So uh,
I just want her to at least rest in peace.
(06:24):
Oh huh, and uh I can't. I can't do that
until I have her together. H They won't even let
me see the body parts they have because it said
it's evidence.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
So uhh.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I'm just trying to do what I can do to
finally hope that she leads me to her.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Mister Robinson, just thank you so much for speaking with
us today, because I know your heart is breaking and
you have been looking through the night out with a
flashlight trying to find your daughter her body parts. You know,
(07:09):
I think the closest person in the world to me ever,
was my dad Mac.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Tell me about Shade in life.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
My baby girl was an amazing person. She was She
was full of love. She was a giver.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
She would give it a shirt off for me. She
had a very good heart. She was intelligent. She was
a good person.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
To be wrong, m hm.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
She had so much potential. We talked a lot about
our future and what she wanted to do with her direction.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
She wanted to do, but I told her the.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
World as her western she makes that decision to let
nobody make before.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Mister Robinson, what did she want to be When she
got out of college, what did she want to do?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Her goal was to be a lawyer.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Ultimately, oh, she was graduating from criminal justice a.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
But she was.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
She was torn between military and being a lawyer. But
she always wanted to be a lawyer, so I think
she was more leaning towards that than military.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Mister Robinson. My brother and my sister and I were
first generation college graduates, and I think that was one
of the proudest moments of my father's life when we
graduated from college. How proud of this girl, this beautiful girl,
shah Day, How proud of her? Were you going to college?
(09:08):
Paying her way? Working?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I mean, this girl did it all she did.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
She was a very independent minded person. She would call
me h.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
And and tell me, you know that I'm doing this
or I'm doing that. She had and that was just
what she was doing was just the tip of her potential.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
She could be anything. She lost. She could have been
the president. She really had that potential.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Would she tell you on the phone that she loved you?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Well, we always love each other. She always lived. She
can call them.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Mister Robinson, you stated that two body parts have not
been found. What part of shah Day has not been found.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Her head.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
And one of her arms.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Sir, when you learned that she was quote excited about
her date with this Milwaukee millionaire son, what goes through
your mind?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
None of it makes sense to me. She did not
seem to this guy was not her type at all.
Me and her mom talked about it.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
We don't understand it.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I don't know how he got her to come to
his house, but that's not something I could see my
daughter doing, especially with somebody she didn't know.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Oh, you know, she my.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Daughter was attrice to the people that because when she
first wanted to date, she would tell me that I
found this guy.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Uh, that this guy, I like this guy, and this
guy he reminds me of you. He's very protective of me,
and uh, you know, things like that was her It was.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
The quality she looked for and this guy has none
of these qualities. So I just don't that dynamic don't
match up.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Mister Robinson, we are learning about this guy underground torture chamber.
What goes through your mind when you hear about that?
I think my father would just lay down on the
ground and cry.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Well.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
The one of the questions I asked in the beginning
to the officers, was.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Was the was this and this happened post mortar or
did she so?
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Mhm?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
They told me she uh uh they were postmoder m hmm.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
But still be uh the dude, it takes a different
kind of evil to do.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Something like this.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Sunday Robinson, a teen girl thrilled about a first date
with the son of a Milwaukee millionaire, murdered and dismembered,
not sure in what order. Her dad is out alone
with a flashlight looking for shah Dat's head and arm.
(13:18):
Where are the police? Where are the cadaver dogs? Why
is mister Robinson out with a flashlight trying to find
his daughter's remains, saying that his brother, sister, and nephew
are going to join him. Can you even imagine your
(13:41):
father out with a flashlight looking for your remains? What
this family has been through this as we are learning
about an underground torture chamber, including a hack.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Saw a circle, saw a power drill.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Joining me. Bria Jones, investigative reporter of Fox six News Milwaukee, Bria,
thank you for being with us the video we obtained
of the basement. As some people would call it, but
it was set up to be a sex and torture chamber.
There's really no question about that.
Speaker 9 (14:21):
What do you know, Bria, Well, Nancy, this is my
first time seeing that video. I can tell you that
we have spoken with someone who knows Maxwell Anderson, saying
that they were friends. They told us that they actually
have been to that home. They described the home to
us as messy. That woman that we spoke with and
said that she's been over there several times, that Maxwell
Anderson was a friend. Right now, there's just a lot
(14:42):
of contention surrounding that at home. The first two weeks
after Shotty disappeared and then was found dismembered, people constantly
were going to the home every single day. We saw
Milwaukee police officers actually outside of their home because people were,
of course curious, trying to go behind the home, taking pictures,
taking video. They're also furious that they believe that family
(15:03):
members are actually allowed to go in the side of
the home to clean and clear things out. But again,
the Sheriff's office addressing all those issues. On Friday, they
said on the statement saying that they are not stopping
their search. They are continuing the surch They also said
that if the home is sold, that will not impact
their investigation. They also said that no one has been
allowed to inappropriately enter the home since it became PSI.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
What more do we know about the so called sex
and tortured dungeon? Was this where teen girl Shay Day
spent her last moments alive? Listen?
Speaker 10 (15:38):
Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of
his West Milwaukee home. According to a law enforcement source.
Cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close
friend of Anderson said that on a visit to Anderson's
home last year, he noticed a large hole in the
ground that was about five feet long bay six foot deep.
Anderson said he was working on an underground basement, despite
(16:00):
having a large basement in the home already. Neighbor see
the basement in the home had small windows that were
always covered so you could not see inside.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Joining me an all star panel. But first to Scott Johnson,
forensic psychologist, author of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders Forensic
Considerations and Strategies, Scott, thank you for being with us.
What grown man continues to build underground layers? He's got
(16:29):
one basement full of sex, slings, restraints, handcuffs, circular saws,
hack saws, power drills, He's got a grave dug in
the backyard, yet he's building another underground layer. What is that? Right?
Speaker 11 (16:46):
He sounds like a sexual sayist. So he's progressing, He's
finding new space to torture, dismember people. I mean that
would be the working theory is that he's simply banding
on his perversion to torture her, rape and kill people.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Eric Fattus, you're a high profile trial lawyer, TV analyst,
partner and varner fattest, elite legal Eric. That's not gonna
look good on an overhead projector in front of a jury.
Think about it a dark courtroom. The prosecutor turns on
that video I just played, and we find all about
(17:28):
sex things, restraints, handcuffs, circular saws, hack saws, power drills,
a grave in the backyard, unknown mystery, blood around and
throughout the defendant's home, and his zeal to dig yet
another underground layer. What do you do with that? Fattest?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
Yeah, Nancy, I mean I'm a seasoned criminal law attorney,
former family prosecutor, and I shudder when I'm hearing you
describe these things shutter to myself as to the depravity
that appears to be going on in Maxwell Anderson's basement.
And so you know, when the jury hears about these
inflammatory discoveries that we're hearing about week after week, it's
(18:14):
just the cases building. I think the walls are really
coming in for Maxwell Anderson. And from a legal standpoint,
it's looking very.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Bad, very fattus. Are you familiar with the program The Office?
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Okay, do you remember when Michael always says what she said?
Remember that that's what you just did.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
If I just said how horrible.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
This is going to be in front of a jury.
You're the defense lawyer? What do you do with it?
Try to get it thrown out? Argue there's no foundation
for the video? What what can you argue? Yes, he's
a perverted sex sadist, which means you like to inflict
pain on other people, but not a killer. He's just
your average run of the meal, friendly neighborhood sex sadist.
(18:56):
Is that where you're going?
Speaker 7 (18:57):
You know, from a cruel defense perspective, if this is,
certainly it challenge one thing that the government has not
yet established is exactly the cause of death? How shawde
Robinson perished, and so I could just foresee the criminal
defense team spinning up something saying like, hey, there may
have been an accident that took place, but Max Lenison
didn't kill her.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He tried to cover up what happened afterwards.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
And I'm just wondering if that's the avenue that the
defense might try to travel on this case.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, you know what satan just
came out of your mouth? Yeah, that's exactly where they're going.
You're right, fattus, Okay, Doctor Kendall Crowns is joining me.
Chief medical Examiner, Terence County, Lecturer, Burnett School of Medicine
(19:46):
at Texas Christian University. Doctor Kendall Crowns, you have performed
around ten thousand autopsies. You think maybe more, Doctor Crowns,
How can can you, a medical examiner, look at the cuts,
(20:07):
the severances on her body. We know her father has
just told us that he is still looking for Chahda's
head and one of her arms. I don't know how
the man even had the strength to even say that,
But you, doctor Crown's, can you look under a microscope
(20:28):
at the cut wounds on her torso, her neck, her
legs and tell me whether she was dismembered post mortem
or in life.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
So the answer to that is yes, you can look
at the wounds themselves. You don't have to look at
a microscopically. Actually, when you look at the wound at autopsy,
if there's hemorrhage or blood in the wound itself, you
know there's a vital reaction to the cut or the stab,
if you will, and you know that the heart was
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still beating at that time period. If the cut itself
looks kind of dry and yellow, that's a dismemberment cut
that occurred postmarmally or after death. So really what you're
looking for is hemorrhage and the tissue or blood and
the tissue that shows there was still a beating heart.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Joining me an All Star panel as we delve into
potential probitive evidence that it's now being discovered in a
so called underground torture chamber. Very disturbing to think that
this young girl, Shade Robinson, spent her last moments on
this earth, her last moments alive there in this confused
(21:48):
basement torture chamber full of sex paraphernalia, powersaw hack, saw
power drilled. Was this the last thing she saw? Eric
fattis trial lawyer, former prosecutor. What evidence would you be
searching for right now? I would grab and bag every
(22:11):
single implement I found, the hacksaw, the circle saw, the
power drill you and name it a hammer, everything to
look for microscopic evidence of blood. We know blood is
found in the home. So far it has not matched shade,
which begs the question whose is it? Is there another victim?
(22:33):
But what evidence are we looking for in that torture chamber?
Speaker 7 (22:37):
Yeah, Nancy, I think it's fawn on to look at
every single tool, every single instrument that you know, maybe
on its own might be innocumous, but when viewed and
together with the context of the sex dungeon, could be
very incriminating. So yes, seizing all of those tools. And
then also I would ask the neighbors whether they've heard
any sort of drilling or sawing or power tools going on,
(23:00):
because those things are audible.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Those things make.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Noise, and perhaps Maxwell Anderson tried to muffle them. But
I'm just wondering what the neighbors have heard over the
course of the past months or years that could contribute
to this investigation.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, we know Eric fattis that the son of the
millionaire now suspect number one. And by the way, he's
got a five million dollar bond. Maxwell Anderson had the
upper level windows in the basement all covered up so
neighbors couldn't see in there, and I wonder, you know,
(23:34):
if you look at the house, the neighbors are far
enough away, I wonder if they could hear anything. When
you look at this house, it's certainly deceiving. It's neatly
kept with the walkway the perfectly clean, pristine walkway. The
lawn is perfectly manicured. The home has this front porch
(23:56):
on it in the shade with a chair. It's very inviting. Wow,
Scott Johnson, looks can be deceiving, can't they?
Speaker 11 (24:04):
They shirt down? Then, you know, most sadists are going
to have that outer appearance of normal and tranquility and
getting along with everybody. And it's what goes on inside,
no different than with domestic abuse. You like the people,
but what happens behind closed doors another story.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Let's take a look at the outside again, because Scott Johnson,
forensic psychologist and author of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders,
Forensic Considerations and strategies, Scott, Look, it's almost ain'tal compulsively clean.
I mean, there's the neatness is over the top every
(24:44):
I mean, look at that tree on the right, it's
prune into a perfect triangle. The lawn is mode in
perfect lines. But in his sex dungeon, everything is in disarray.
See a mind in disarray, which tells me a lot.
Speaker 11 (25:04):
Right, and obsessive compulsiveness is very common with say this
especially however, as he's working out his perversion of what
he's trying to do and his fantasies trying to bring
them to reality, very little usually goes right. And that's
the discombobulation that as he's trying to get everything right
(25:24):
for how many people has he already killed? Right? Not
likely the first here, and therefore he's trying to make
amends for what didn't go right, so building the second
basement and things in disarray because fantasy is just not
coming to reality as much as.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
He would like it to be.
Speaker 11 (25:42):
With his obsessive compulsiveness.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Scott, what does a mind in disarray tell me? And
the dichotomy of the compulsively neat exterior to the massive
disarray inside. Gosh, that could be a case study for you.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
Well, yes and no, because again, the obsessive compulsiveness for
the outside is black and white. You mow the lawn,
you trim the tree. But the obsessive compulsiveness for the murders, torture, rape, dismemberment,
those things just don't come perfect, and so as you're
trying to make them perfect, you make a lot of mistakes.
(26:24):
Things get disarrayed, and also the mind gets more cluttered
and frustrated, which leads to more mistakes and more disarray.
But trying to get it right is what the sayist
is always trying to do to Doctor.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Kendall Crown's, chief medical Examiner Terrant County and lecturer at TCU.
Doctor crowns can the or hypothetically, could the hack saw,
the circular saw, or the power drill be matched up
to the cuts, the very deep cuts used to dismember Shada.
(27:03):
Can you match up the tool to tool markings on
her body?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Actually, usually it's on the bone. The saws will leave
specific marks on the bone that can be matched up
to the little teeth on the saw. The drill itself
could be used and you could look for drill type
injuries on the bones as well. They can match to
the drill.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Bit crime stores with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 12 (27:39):
I'm come here today. This is the hardest thing I
would ever have the tool in my life to speak
Shaddy's voice. Shaddy was a beautiful soul. She was an
amazing girl. Nancy, everything spoke is exactly what my Dard exerted.
I couldn't have asked for any better. Totter, there was
(27:59):
a mon daughter did that. Many adults were not even
able so complished in their life, Simes, the son of
a some fun daughter from me.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
You are hearing Shade's mother speak through her tears about
the search for Shade. Her father has told us he
is still searching into the night with a flashlight, along
with his sister, his brother, his nephew, for this beautiful
girl's head. Why are they out there alone searching? Where
(28:36):
is law enforcement? Where are the cadets shoulder to shoulder
looking for this beautiful co ed's remains. That's just one
question I've got. We now know a water search has
turned up nothing. Listen.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
In an update from the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office, deputies
reiterated that despite two uns successful water searches for Robinson's remains.
The investigation has not slowed down. Investigators are searching for
evidence and fueling tips on a daily basis while continuing
to look for Robinson's remains. MCSO also cleared up claims
that Anderson had been released from custody, stating that Anderson
(29:16):
has been behind bars since his arrest on April fourth.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Joining me Bria Jones, investigative reporter Fox News six. Bria again,
thank you for being with us. What can you tell
me about those water searches and are they ongoing? Will
there be another water search? I'm curious, Bria, because we
know that some of Shadai's body parts seemingly washed up
(29:40):
along shore. And when you don't know a horse, you'll
look at his track record. If he threw some of
Shahda's remains into the water, could that be where her
head and arm are as well?
Speaker 9 (29:54):
That's right, Nancy, I think that's the big question right now.
Where is Shadai. Shaddy's birthday is actually May tenth, when
her family plans to have her memorial here in Milwaukee.
So that's why now her father is here desperately searching
for her.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Head and her arm.
Speaker 9 (30:07):
Every single day. Her family members have been seeming to
be leading these searches. Again, as you mentioned, and you
said time and time again, we've not really seen much
law enforcement continuing their search. However, they say they are searching,
But right now it appears that it's the family. It's
the nonprofits. They're asking for volunteers, they're acting for waiters,
they're acting the public constantly. Force applies because they're going
(30:28):
out daily in the searching the water. Again, law enforcement
is saying that they are also searching. We saw some
evidence of those searches last week. However, it's the family
that's on the boosts, on the ground daily doing their searches.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, I know they say that they're continuing to search,
but that is not what I'm hearing from mister Robinson.
He's out where the flashlight searching, and I know my
father would be doing the very same thing. Another technical
forensic issue has arisen, the potential that there are more bodies,
(31:05):
that there is more than one victim. Listen.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
In Maxwell Anderson's home, police discovered gas cans in the
garage and blood in several areas, including on betting and
the wall of a stairwell leading to the basement. After
initial DNA test. An amended probable cause affidavit reveals that
the blood is not a match to Shote Robinson. Authorities
have not made any indication of who the blood belongs to,
possibly another victim or Anderson himself.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Doctor Kimdall Crown's joining as Chief medical Examiner Terrance County.
That's Fort Worth. Doctor Kendall Crowns, I had the opportunity
to work several spree killings, including the being on the
scene at the Fulton County Courthouse shooting where multiple victims
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were killed. Prior to that, I handled multiple victims murders
in various locations, including outside. Question to you, doctor Crown's,
when you process the saying where more than one person
has been murdered, that's a whole another trick when you're
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trying to determine multiple DNA, various blood types, various fingerprints,
various hair. I'm wondering if there's going to be hair
blood fingerprints on those power tools, how do you now
that we know there's blood from another person in that home,
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how do you go about processing a sane like this.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
So in this particular case or in that situation that
you're describing, you would have to document each item, take
swabs of all the items, and then give them each
individual numbers, and then start going through the process of
identifying the DNA, seeing if there's matches, seeing if there's
matches with missing persons. It can be a very lengthy,
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tedious process because there can be so so many specimens
that are available in those scenes such as that.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Bria Jones joining US investigative reporter of Fox six News,
Bria Jones, it's my understanding that the suspect who maintains
this innocence that the suspects family has gone into the home.
Is that true?
Speaker 9 (33:28):
Well, Nancy, what I can tell you is that that's
what Shaddy's family is saying. That some of them have
publicly shared videos and pictures of people that have been
going in and around the home. The Sheriff's office again
saying that people, if they have been allowed to enter
the home, that they were not allowed to do so
and appropriately. They also doubled down that this would not
impact or affect the investigation in any way. But we
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have seen again trash backs outside of the home after
people were seen near it.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
And of course if the suspect's family members are going
in there, such as his mom or dad. They may
know things that we don't know, like that he kept
a diary and where it might be. There's just plethora
of items that could be of value to this case.
But of course law enforcement says they've searched it and
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they are allowing people in. I don't know how it
strikes you, but it doesn't strike me very well. Scott
Johnson forhenysic Psychologist. I think I would be looking now
also to the suspect's online activity, possibly being a member
of chat rooms, dating websites, how he portrayed himself. What
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do you think about that avenue?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (34:41):
Absolutely, there's likely searches that he's done online communications he's
have and say this and others may communicate with each
other just you know, shooting the crap in their mind,
but discussing crimes and certainly again communication they've had with
family and what does family know? And again it's concerning
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that the house is not yet secured because as more
information may come about, you know, what are we missing
from the house and family members involved sadus or psychopath
that's a genetic issue. Are other family members involved in this?
So that would also be another avenue we'd want to
look at and what the hell do they know?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
All I can think about right now is Chadet's father.
He is out manned with the flashlight, with his brother
and his sister and his nephew, looking for his daughter's
head and her arm our. Prayers with him. We are
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stopping now to remember an American hero investigator, Samuel Poloche, Charlotte,
North Carolina. This upstanding investigator gunned down while serving in
a resta warrant Charlotte, a fourteen year veteran of the
Adult Correction Institutes investigator Poaloch, leaves behind a grieving wife, Clo,
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and two children, Samuel and Gavin. American hero investigator Samuel Poloche.
Thank you to our guests for being with us tonight.
A special thank you to all of you joining us
here seeking justice for Shade. I'man c. Gray Sidiloff. Good
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Night's
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Breaking news.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Tonight, teen girl Shahday Robinson tells France she's excited about
a first date with the son of a Milwaukee millionaire,
but did her so called date lure the college co
ed onto a date turned murder? Tonight, inside the underground
torture dungeon in the murder suspect's home, where a hacksaw,
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a circle saw, and a power drill are discovered. Is
that where Shade spent her very last moments alive? And
if so, what evidence does it reveal? Good evening, I'm
Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
(00:51):
with us.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Footage from inside the unfinished basement the police have called
a sex dungeon shows it's in disarray. A large hole
has been dug in the concrete floor. A drain in
the floor is stuffed with towels. The drink cover marked
with evidence numbers. A door without a handle leads to
a dark closet, and there are several tables, a chair
and exercise equipment. The mattress of a queen bed frame
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is flipped on its side and betting is tossed over
a table in the corner of the.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Room you are seeing footage that we have managed to
obtain of the underground torture chamber as it has been described.
But there is more more than what you're seeing. From
a hack saw to a circular saw, to a power drill,
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a grave dug in the backyard, various sex paraphernalia all found,
and this underground bunker belonging to the son of a
Milwaukee millionaire. We also learned that he was in fact
digging another underground layer. What if anything will this reveal?
(02:04):
Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
what we are learning at this hour and how that
translates to probative evidence, evidence that proves something at trial.
But before I go into evidence, I want to welcome
a very special guest joining us. We have heard from
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Shade's mother. She has joined us several times. Joining us
now is Shahda's father, mister Carlos Robinson. Mister Robinson, thank
you for being with us. Mister Robinson, When did you
learn that Shahday had been killed?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
For sure?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
When the DNA came back as a match to mine.
When she was missing, I was hopefully she was still here.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Up until that point, did you you believe that she
was just missing, that she would be found.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Yes, that that's what I was praying for her, she
would be found, that that the body parts wasn't hers, and.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
That she is going to be found.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Joining me a Shade's father, Carlos Robinson, Mister Robinson, there
was a moment where a volunteer, not police, but a
volunteer discovered, as it's being called, a pet tribute blanket.
A lot of people have them. We have one of
a little pet off shah Dazz and it was found
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wet and dirty and filthy in a park area, a
part for children area, and nearby were human body parts.
When you heard her blanket, her little pet tribute blanket
had been found. What we it through your mind?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
This, all of this is incomprehensible.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
You know, I don't understand how the community and I
appreciate everything that they're doing. How they can find a
blanket that was already searched by an area that was
already searched by the the authorities.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Was it, mister Robinson, Had that area been thoroughly searched
by authorities, because it's my understanding, volunteers found body parts
as well.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, I talked to the.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
To the police after they the blanket was found, and
I asked them why they didn't find it, because they
told me they searched that area previously.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Uhuh, So I don't know how they searched it and
didn't see that.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
H Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I don't know if it's limited resources or what.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Uh Huh, it's it's it's it's I don't feel like
it's a lot of uhh.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Uhh uh real.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Effort being put trying to find her. I've been here,
uh since eleven o'clock last night. I haven't been to sleep.
I've been to the parts, I've been all over uh
the flashlights, a binoculars, and I just don't feel like
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I can sleep.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I just need to I just want to find her,
you know, But I don't.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
I don't feel like it's a it's a let's say, uh,
the effort that this should be a I don't feel
like they're doing the effort that they need to do
to find her, using the resources whatever they have to do,
H to find my baby girl.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Mister Robinson, what are you looking for?
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Well?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
I keep uh, there's only two body parts left we
have found, and I just want to put her the
rest properly. I keep having dreams about it. So uh,
I just want her to at least rest in peace.
(06:24):
Oh huh, and uh I can't. I can't do that
until I have her together. H They won't even let
me see the body parts they have because it said
it's evidence.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
So uhh.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I'm just trying to do what I can do to
finally hope that she leads me to her.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Mister Robinson, just thank you so much for speaking with
us today, because I know your heart is breaking and
you have been looking through the night out with a
flashlight trying to find your daughter her body parts. You know,
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I think the closest person in the world to me ever,
was my dad Mac.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Tell me about Shade in life.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
My baby girl was an amazing person. She was She
was full of love. She was a giver.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
She would give it a shirt off for me. She
had a very good heart. She was intelligent. She was
a good person.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
To be wrong, m hm.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
She had so much potential. We talked a lot about
our future and what she wanted to do with her direction.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
She wanted to do, but I told her the.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
World as her western she makes that decision to let
nobody make before.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Mister Robinson, what did she want to be When she
got out of college, what did she want to do?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Her goal was to be a lawyer.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Ultimately, oh, she was graduating from criminal justice a.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
But she was.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
She was torn between military and being a lawyer. But
she always wanted to be a lawyer, so I think
she was more leaning towards that than military.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Mister Robinson. My brother and my sister and I were
first generation college graduates, and I think that was one
of the proudest moments of my father's life when we
graduated from college. How proud of this girl, this beautiful girl,
shah Day, How proud of her? Were you going to college?
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Paying her way? Working?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
I mean, this girl did it all she did.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
She was a very independent minded person. She would call
me h.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
And and tell me, you know that I'm doing this
or I'm doing that. She had and that was just
what she was doing was just the tip of her potential.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
She could be anything. She lost. She could have been
the president. She really had that potential.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Would she tell you on the phone that she loved you?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Well, we always love each other. She always lived. She
can call them.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Mister Robinson, you stated that two body parts have not
been found. What part of shah Day has not been found.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Her head.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
And one of her arms.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Sir, when you learned that she was quote excited about
her date with this Milwaukee millionaire son, what goes through
your mind?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
None of it makes sense to me. She did not
seem to this guy was not her type at all.
Me and her mom talked about it.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
We don't understand it.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I don't know how he got her to come to
his house, but that's not something I could see my
daughter doing, especially with somebody she didn't know.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Oh, you know, she my.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Daughter was attrice to the people that because when she
first wanted to date, she would tell me that I
found this guy.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Uh, that this guy, I like this guy, and this
guy he reminds me of you. He's very protective of me,
and uh, you know, things like that was her It was.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
The quality she looked for and this guy has none
of these qualities. So I just don't that dynamic don't
match up.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Mister Robinson, we are learning about this guy underground torture chamber.
What goes through your mind when you hear about that?
I think my father would just lay down on the
ground and cry.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Well.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
The one of the questions I asked in the beginning
to the officers, was.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Was the was this and this happened post mortar or
did she so?
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Mhm?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
They told me she uh uh they were postmoder m hmm.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
But still be uh the dude, it takes a different
kind of evil to do.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Something like this.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Sunday Robinson, a teen girl thrilled about a first date
with the son of a Milwaukee millionaire, murdered and dismembered,
not sure in what order. Her dad is out alone
with a flashlight looking for shah Dat's head and arm.
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Where are the police? Where are the cadaver dogs? Why
is mister Robinson out with a flashlight trying to find
his daughter's remains, saying that his brother, sister, and nephew
are going to join him. Can you even imagine your
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father out with a flashlight looking for your remains? What
this family has been through this as we are learning
about an underground torture chamber, including a hack.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Saw a circle, saw a power drill.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Joining me. Bria Jones, investigative reporter of Fox six News Milwaukee, Bria,
thank you for being with us the video we obtained
of the basement. As some people would call it, but
it was set up to be a sex and torture chamber.
There's really no question about that.
Speaker 9 (14:21):
What do you know, Bria, Well, Nancy, this is my
first time seeing that video. I can tell you that
we have spoken with someone who knows Maxwell Anderson, saying
that they were friends. They told us that they actually
have been to that home. They described the home to
us as messy. That woman that we spoke with and
said that she's been over there several times, that Maxwell
Anderson was a friend. Right now, there's just a lot
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of contention surrounding that at home. The first two weeks
after Shotty disappeared and then was found dismembered, people constantly
were going to the home every single day. We saw
Milwaukee police officers actually outside of their home because people were,
of course curious, trying to go behind the home, taking pictures,
taking video. They're also furious that they believe that family
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members are actually allowed to go in the side of
the home to clean and clear things out. But again,
the Sheriff's office addressing all those issues. On Friday, they
said on the statement saying that they are not stopping
their search. They are continuing the surch They also said
that if the home is sold, that will not impact
their investigation. They also said that no one has been
allowed to inappropriately enter the home since it became PSI.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
What more do we know about the so called sex
and tortured dungeon? Was this where teen girl Shay Day
spent her last moments alive? Listen?
Speaker 10 (15:38):
Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of
his West Milwaukee home. According to a law enforcement source.
Cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close
friend of Anderson said that on a visit to Anderson's
home last year, he noticed a large hole in the
ground that was about five feet long bay six foot deep.
Anderson said he was working on an underground basement, despite
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having a large basement in the home already. Neighbor see
the basement in the home had small windows that were
always covered so you could not see inside.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Joining me an all star panel. But first to Scott Johnson,
forensic psychologist, author of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders Forensic
Considerations and Strategies, Scott, thank you for being with us.
What grown man continues to build underground layers? He's got
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one basement full of sex, slings, restraints, handcuffs, circular saws,
hack saws, power drills, He's got a grave dug in
the backyard, yet he's building another underground layer. What is that? Right?
Speaker 11 (16:46):
He sounds like a sexual sayist. So he's progressing, He's
finding new space to torture, dismember people. I mean that
would be the working theory is that he's simply banding
on his perversion to torture her, rape and kill people.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Eric Fattus, you're a high profile trial lawyer, TV analyst,
partner and varner fattest, elite legal Eric. That's not gonna
look good on an overhead projector in front of a jury.
Think about it a dark courtroom. The prosecutor turns on
that video I just played, and we find all about
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sex things, restraints, handcuffs, circular saws, hack saws, power drills,
a grave in the backyard, unknown mystery, blood around and
throughout the defendant's home, and his zeal to dig yet
another underground layer. What do you do with that? Fattest?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
Yeah, Nancy, I mean I'm a seasoned criminal law attorney,
former family prosecutor, and I shudder when I'm hearing you
describe these things shutter to myself as to the depravity
that appears to be going on in Maxwell Anderson's basement.
And so you know, when the jury hears about these
inflammatory discoveries that we're hearing about week after week, it's
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just the cases building. I think the walls are really
coming in for Maxwell Anderson. And from a legal standpoint,
it's looking very.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Bad, very fattus. Are you familiar with the program The Office?
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Okay, do you remember when Michael always says what she said?
Remember that that's what you just did.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
If I just said how horrible.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
This is going to be in front of a jury.
You're the defense lawyer? What do you do with it?
Try to get it thrown out? Argue there's no foundation
for the video? What what can you argue? Yes, he's
a perverted sex sadist, which means you like to inflict
pain on other people, but not a killer. He's just
your average run of the meal, friendly neighborhood sex sadist.
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Is that where you're going?
Speaker 7 (18:57):
You know, from a cruel defense perspective, if this is,
certainly it challenge one thing that the government has not
yet established is exactly the cause of death? How shawde
Robinson perished, and so I could just foresee the criminal
defense team spinning up something saying like, hey, there may
have been an accident that took place, but Max Lenison
didn't kill her.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
He tried to cover up what happened afterwards.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
And I'm just wondering if that's the avenue that the
defense might try to travel on this case.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, you know what satan just
came out of your mouth? Yeah, that's exactly where they're going.
You're right, fattus, Okay, Doctor Kendall Crowns is joining me.
Chief medical Examiner, Terence County, Lecturer, Burnett School of Medicine
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at Texas Christian University. Doctor Kendall Crowns, you have performed
around ten thousand autopsies. You think maybe more, Doctor Crowns,
How can can you, a medical examiner, look at the cuts,
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the severances on her body. We know her father has
just told us that he is still looking for Chahda's
head and one of her arms. I don't know how
the man even had the strength to even say that,
But you, doctor Crown's, can you look under a microscope
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at the cut wounds on her torso, her neck, her
legs and tell me whether she was dismembered post mortem
or in life.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
So the answer to that is yes, you can look
at the wounds themselves. You don't have to look at
a microscopically. Actually, when you look at the wound at autopsy,
if there's hemorrhage or blood in the wound itself, you
know there's a vital reaction to the cut or the stab,
if you will, and you know that the heart was
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still beating at that time period. If the cut itself
looks kind of dry and yellow, that's a dismemberment cut
that occurred postmarmally or after death. So really what you're
looking for is hemorrhage and the tissue or blood and
the tissue that shows there was still a beating heart.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Joining me an All Star panel as we delve into
potential probitive evidence that it's now being discovered in a
so called underground torture chamber. Very disturbing to think that
this young girl, Shade Robinson, spent her last moments on
this earth, her last moments alive there in this confused
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basement torture chamber full of sex paraphernalia, powersaw hack, saw
power drilled. Was this the last thing she saw? Eric
fattis trial lawyer, former prosecutor. What evidence would you be
searching for right now? I would grab and bag every
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single implement I found, the hacksaw, the circle saw, the
power drill you and name it a hammer, everything to
look for microscopic evidence of blood. We know blood is
found in the home. So far it has not matched shade,
which begs the question whose is it? Is there another victim?
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But what evidence are we looking for in that torture chamber?
Speaker 7 (22:37):
Yeah, Nancy, I think it's fawn on to look at
every single tool, every single instrument that you know, maybe
on its own might be innocumous, but when viewed and
together with the context of the sex dungeon, could be
very incriminating. So yes, seizing all of those tools. And
then also I would ask the neighbors whether they've heard
any sort of drilling or sawing or power tools going on,
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because those things are audible.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Those things make.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Noise, and perhaps Maxwell Anderson tried to muffle them. But
I'm just wondering what the neighbors have heard over the
course of the past months or years that could contribute
to this investigation.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Well, we know Eric fattis that the son of the
millionaire now suspect number one. And by the way, he's
got a five million dollar bond. Maxwell Anderson had the
upper level windows in the basement all covered up so
neighbors couldn't see in there, and I wonder, you know,
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if you look at the house, the neighbors are far
enough away, I wonder if they could hear anything. When
you look at this house, it's certainly deceiving. It's neatly
kept with the walkway the perfectly clean, pristine walkway. The
lawn is perfectly manicured. The home has this front porch
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on it in the shade with a chair. It's very inviting. Wow,
Scott Johnson, looks can be deceiving, can't they?
Speaker 11 (24:04):
They shirt down? Then, you know, most sadists are going
to have that outer appearance of normal and tranquility and
getting along with everybody. And it's what goes on inside,
no different than with domestic abuse. You like the people,
but what happens behind closed doors another story.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Let's take a look at the outside again, because Scott Johnson,
forensic psychologist and author of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders,
Forensic Considerations and strategies, Scott, Look, it's almost ain'tal compulsively clean.
I mean, there's the neatness is over the top every
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I mean, look at that tree on the right, it's
prune into a perfect triangle. The lawn is mode in
perfect lines. But in his sex dungeon, everything is in disarray.
See a mind in disarray, which tells me a lot.
Speaker 11 (25:04):
Right, and obsessive compulsiveness is very common with say this
especially however, as he's working out his perversion of what
he's trying to do and his fantasies trying to bring
them to reality, very little usually goes right. And that's
the discombobulation that as he's trying to get everything right
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for how many people has he already killed? Right? Not
likely the first here, and therefore he's trying to make
amends for what didn't go right, so building the second
basement and things in disarray because fantasy is just not
coming to reality as much as.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
He would like it to be.
Speaker 11 (25:42):
With his obsessive compulsiveness.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Scott, what does a mind in disarray tell me? And
the dichotomy of the compulsively neat exterior to the massive
disarray inside. Gosh, that could be a case study for you.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
Well, yes and no, because again, the obsessive compulsiveness for
the outside is black and white. You mow the lawn,
you trim the tree. But the obsessive compulsiveness for the murders, torture, rape, dismemberment,
those things just don't come perfect, and so as you're
trying to make them perfect, you make a lot of mistakes.
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Things get disarrayed, and also the mind gets more cluttered
and frustrated, which leads to more mistakes and more disarray.
But trying to get it right is what the sayist
is always trying to do to Doctor.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Kendall Crown's, chief medical Examiner Terrant County and lecturer at TCU.
Doctor crowns can the or hypothetically, could the hack saw,
the circular saw, or the power drill be matched up
to the cuts, the very deep cuts used to dismember Shada.
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Can you match up the tool to tool markings on
her body?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (27:08):
Actually, usually it's on the bone. The saws will leave
specific marks on the bone that can be matched up
to the little teeth on the saw. The drill itself
could be used and you could look for drill type
injuries on the bones as well. They can match to
the drill.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Bit crime stores with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 12 (27:39):
I'm come here today. This is the hardest thing I
would ever have the tool in my life to speak
Shaddy's voice. Shaddy was a beautiful soul. She was an
amazing girl. Nancy, everything spoke is exactly what my Dard exerted.
I couldn't have asked for any better. Totter, there was
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a mon daughter did that. Many adults were not even
able so complished in their life, Simes, the son of
a some fun daughter from me.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
You are hearing Shade's mother speak through her tears about
the search for Shade. Her father has told us he
is still searching into the night with a flashlight, along
with his sister, his brother, his nephew, for this beautiful
girl's head. Why are they out there alone searching? Where
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is law enforcement? Where are the cadets shoulder to shoulder
looking for this beautiful co ed's remains. That's just one
question I've got. We now know a water search has
turned up nothing. Listen.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
In an update from the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office, deputies
reiterated that despite two uns successful water searches for Robinson's remains.
The investigation has not slowed down. Investigators are searching for
evidence and fueling tips on a daily basis while continuing
to look for Robinson's remains. MCSO also cleared up claims
that Anderson had been released from custody, stating that Anderson
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has been behind bars since his arrest on April fourth.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Joining me Bria Jones, investigative reporter Fox News six. Bria again,
thank you for being with us. What can you tell
me about those water searches and are they ongoing? Will
there be another water search? I'm curious, Bria, because we
know that some of Shadai's body parts seemingly washed up
(29:40):
along shore. And when you don't know a horse, you'll
look at his track record. If he threw some of
Shahda's remains into the water, could that be where her
head and arm are as well?
Speaker 9 (29:54):
That's right, Nancy, I think that's the big question right now.
Where is Shadai. Shaddy's birthday is actually May tenth, when
her family plans to have her memorial here in Milwaukee.
So that's why now her father is here desperately searching
for her.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Head and her arm.
Speaker 9 (30:07):
Every single day. Her family members have been seeming to
be leading these searches. Again, as you mentioned, and you
said time and time again, we've not really seen much
law enforcement continuing their search. However, they say they are searching,
But right now it appears that it's the family. It's
the nonprofits. They're asking for volunteers, they're acting for waiters,
they're acting the public constantly. Force applies because they're going
(30:28):
out daily in the searching the water. Again, law enforcement
is saying that they are also searching. We saw some
evidence of those searches last week. However, it's the family
that's on the boosts, on the ground daily doing their searches.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, I know they say that they're continuing to search,
but that is not what I'm hearing from mister Robinson.
He's out where the flashlight searching, and I know my
father would be doing the very same thing. Another technical
forensic issue has arisen, the potential that there are more bodies,
(31:05):
that there is more than one victim. Listen.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
In Maxwell Anderson's home, police discovered gas cans in the
garage and blood in several areas, including on betting and
the wall of a stairwell leading to the basement. After
initial DNA test. An amended probable cause affidavit reveals that
the blood is not a match to Shote Robinson. Authorities
have not made any indication of who the blood belongs to,
possibly another victim or Anderson himself.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Doctor Kimdall Crown's joining as Chief medical Examiner Terrance County.
That's Fort Worth. Doctor Kendall Crowns, I had the opportunity
to work several spree killings, including the being on the
scene at the Fulton County Courthouse shooting where multiple victims
(31:53):
were killed. Prior to that, I handled multiple victims murders
in various locations, including outside. Question to you, doctor Crown's,
when you process the saying where more than one person
has been murdered, that's a whole another trick when you're
(32:17):
trying to determine multiple DNA, various blood types, various fingerprints,
various hair. I'm wondering if there's going to be hair
blood fingerprints on those power tools, how do you now
that we know there's blood from another person in that home,
(32:38):
how do you go about processing a sane like this.
Speaker 8 (32:42):
So in this particular case or in that situation that
you're describing, you would have to document each item, take
swabs of all the items, and then give them each
individual numbers, and then start going through the process of
identifying the DNA, seeing if there's matches, seeing if there's
matches with missing persons. It can be a very lengthy,
(33:04):
tedious process because there can be so so many specimens
that are available in those scenes such as that.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Bria Jones joining US investigative reporter of Fox six News,
Bria Jones, it's my understanding that the suspect who maintains
this innocence that the suspects family has gone into the home.
Is that true?
Speaker 9 (33:28):
Well, Nancy, what I can tell you is that that's
what Shaddy's family is saying. That some of them have
publicly shared videos and pictures of people that have been
going in and around the home. The Sheriff's office again
saying that people, if they have been allowed to enter
the home, that they were not allowed to do so
and appropriately. They also doubled down that this would not
impact or affect the investigation in any way. But we
(33:50):
have seen again trash backs outside of the home after
people were seen near it.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
And of course if the suspect's family members are going
in there, such as his mom or dad. They may
know things that we don't know, like that he kept
a diary and where it might be. There's just plethora
of items that could be of value to this case.
But of course law enforcement says they've searched it and
(34:18):
they are allowing people in. I don't know how it
strikes you, but it doesn't strike me very well. Scott
Johnson forhenysic Psychologist. I think I would be looking now
also to the suspect's online activity, possibly being a member
of chat rooms, dating websites, how he portrayed himself. What
(34:40):
do you think about that avenue?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (34:41):
Absolutely, there's likely searches that he's done online communications he's
have and say this and others may communicate with each
other just you know, shooting the crap in their mind,
but discussing crimes and certainly again communication they've had with
family and what does family know? And again it's concerning
(35:05):
that the house is not yet secured because as more
information may come about, you know, what are we missing
from the house and family members involved sadus or psychopath
that's a genetic issue. Are other family members involved in this?
So that would also be another avenue we'd want to
look at and what the hell do they know?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
All I can think about right now is Chadet's father.
He is out manned with the flashlight, with his brother
and his sister and his nephew, looking for his daughter's
head and her arm our. Prayers with him. We are
(35:51):
stopping now to remember an American hero investigator, Samuel Poloche, Charlotte,
North Carolina. This upstanding investigator gunned down while serving in
a resta warrant Charlotte, a fourteen year veteran of the
Adult Correction Institutes investigator Poaloch, leaves behind a grieving wife, Clo,
(36:18):
and two children, Samuel and Gavin. American hero investigator Samuel Poloche.
Thank you to our guests for being with us tonight.
A special thank you to all of you joining us
here seeking justice for Shade. I'man c. Gray Sidiloff. Good
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