May 10, 2025 • 42 mins
New claims emerge in the charges against the Florida real estate brothers, twins Oren and Alon Alexander and their older brother Tal, as a woman reportedly texts a friend that she feared the family of the brothers, that they would have her killed.
The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth and influence to create opportunities to sexually assault women. More than 40 women have come forward with allegations, and investigators are urging others who believe they were assaulted to contact authorities. Attorneys for the brothers say they plan to plead not guilty. If convicted, they face life in prison.
The three brothers come from a high-profile real estate background. Tal and Oren brokered a $47 million deal for their father in 2012 and a $240 million Manhattan condo sale in 2019. Alon attended law school before joining the family's private security company, Kent Security.
Each brother has been accused of forcible rape by at least 10 women. All three are indicted on federal sex trafficking charges, while Oren and Alon also face sexual battery charges in Florida. The Alexanders have denied the allegations in civil cases, with their representatives suggesting the accusers are attempting to extort them.
Court documents detail accounts from alleged victims. "Victim-1" claims she was raped by Tal Alexander and other men in 2021 at a home in the Hamptons. She says she felt unwell after drinking a glass of wine, then recalled Tal holding her down as another man entered the room. She later woke up in a separate room, where a camcorder was set up.
Another alleged victim, referred to as "Victim-2," told investigators that Oren raped her. She says Oren gave her a cocktail, after which she felt strange and struggled to walk. Alon then took her to a bedroom to lie down. She recalls waking up to find Oren in the room. He allegedly pulled down her bathing suit and raped her while she was "physically impaired and could not move."
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Neama Rahmani – Former Federal Prosecutor-turned-Trial Attorney; Author: “Harvard to Hashtag;” INSTAGRAM: @Neamarahmani/ X: @NeamaRahmani
- Caryn L. Stark – Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych/FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Bill Daly – Former FBI Investigator and Forensic Photography, Security Expert
- Lynn Shaw – Founder and Executive Director of Lynn’s Warriors Host of Lynn’s Warriors on YouTube, lynnswarrior.org, X: @lynns_warriors Youtube: @LynnsWarriors
- Christina Aguayo – National News Anchor, Salem News Channel, website: www.ChristinaAguayoNews.Com, Facebook: @ChristinaAguayoNews, Instagram: @Christina.AguayoNew
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Bombshell claim in a multi count indictment accusing twin brothers
and property czars of violent sex assaults. I, Nancy Grace,
this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Of course, we're talking about a lawn and or in Alexander,
(00:28):
the famous luxury real estate brokers now facing claims they
repeatedly over years lured female victims, then taking turns sex
assaulting them. In the last days, a woman accusing the
twin brothers the property magnates of violent sex assaults, claims
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in texts she is convinced they would kill.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Her if she spoke out.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That's right, and newly released text messages between the alleged
victim and her friend she calls the brother's family quote
the worst people because she's convinced they would hire a hitman,
a hit man to kill her if she ever went
public with her claims. What claims, oh brace yourselves.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
But Trio Brothers luxury real estate agents to the super rich.
Indicted on federal sex trafficking and battery charges. Claims go
back more than a decade.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Claims going back more than a decade, Try two decades.
Now forty women that we know of, the claiming these
filt the rich real estate moguls took part in rape
after rape after systematic rape, and that the allegations go
back to when they were in high school. All that money,
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all that privilege and education has bought them a one
way ticket to hell with a pitstop and.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
The federal penitentiary. That's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
But I want you to hear what Damian Williams, the
US attorney, has to say.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
The Alexander brothers and other men they planned the trips with,
paid for the flights or accommodations for the women on
these trips, and at times the defendants handpicked the women
to invite. At other times they used paid party promoters
to source women for them. The indictment also alleges that
in advance of these events, the Alexander brothers and others
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procured drugs that they agreed to provide to the women,
including cocaine, mushrooms, and GHB as. We allege that these
drugs caused some of the women to be physically unable
to fight back or to escape.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Now you know why they're calling it the new ditty
or should I say the new Ditties? Now that's what
the US attorney is saying for the US attorney for
the Southern District. But I want you to look at
orin Alexander on the founder.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Having the ability to work with my brother, to have
a partner with your brother, and I just think about
that for a seconds. The biggest issue you have in
partnership is trust and knowing that you don't have to worry.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Honey, you got something to worry about.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Now, what if your brother flips on you and testifies
against you. Let's just analyze what we just heard, and
that's where our friends. That from the founder on YouTube,
that's or an Alexander one of the and I mean
filed the rich rolling in money, that's or an Alexander quote.
Having the ability to work with my brother, to have
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a partner who's your brother.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You know, just think about that for a second. Don't worry.
I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and
knowing you don't have to worry.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Okay, what happened with me?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
An All Star panel, Let's get to it straight out
to christ Yo joining US national news anchor Salem News Channel, Christina,
thank you for being with us I'm really curious about
how much money these two have. And this goes all
the way back. Their family is wealthy, their grandfather wealthy,
blah blah blah blah, kind of like Luigi MANNGIONI just
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all that money to silver spoons in the mouth.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And yet this what happened, Christina.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
You know, actually I think it started way back when
they were in high school. As people are now starting
to come out and say that they actually had a
sex fan that was parked in front of their parents
forty million dollars beachfront of state where the boys, the
brothers in high school would take women to have sex
in that bus in front of their parents' house. So
this has been behavior that has been encouraged, perhaps by
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their parents, all the way through. Then you add the
hundreds of millions of dollars in properties that these brothers
have sold and the security business, and they're pretty much
running around town doing anything that they want, including, according
to prosecutors, drugging women raping women. Each brother has separately
been accused of at least ten rapes, ten forcible rapes
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by women, and prosecutors are saying that.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Hey, hey, Christina, Christina Ohio, hold on don't wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
We were just looking at them, Karen Stark.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Why is it so hard for people to believe that
super wealthy, college educated, great job guys can commit heinous crimes?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
That's what he posted on his own Facebook.
Speaker 7 (05:38):
Go ahead, well, I really believe Nancy, and people see
this outward of parents.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
They're dressed so.
Speaker 8 (05:44):
Well, they look so terrific that they buy that that
they believe that that's what they really like, and they
have no idea what's going on behind the scene. And
actually the fact that he says he trusts his brother,
I was thinking, yet they trust all of them trust
each other in supporting the crimes that they committed, which
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made it even worse because they were encouraged.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Nima Ramani is joining US high profile lawyer out of
the California jurisdiction and for my purposes, former federal prosecutor,
president of the West Coast Trial Lawyers and author of
Harvard to hashtag Nina, thank you for being with us.
Many people not familiar with our world of crime would say, hey,
why do they have to rape women with good looks?
(06:31):
Of course they're not attractive to me. I think they
look like Satan himself. But with good looks and all
that money, they could get any woman they want, so
why rape a woman? That kind of argument has actually
worked on jurys before, Nima, it has.
Speaker 9 (06:46):
But Nancy, this isn't just having sex with women. We're
talking about drug induced to orgies right where multiple men,
including the two brothers, are allegedly having sex with the
same woman. So, yeah, women might want to have sex
with a handsome, wealthy man, but not get in a
situation where they're having an orgy and they are being
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violated by multiple men.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Your speaking sense to me, Yes, I know that. That's
my point, Nama, I'm like two steps beyond that.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Of course, what you just said is right.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What I'm saying is it would be argued to a jury.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Just look at them.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Why would they have to source women with a pr
person in other words, basically pimp for pimp for the
brothers because they could get any woman they want. Therefore,
ergo they're innocent.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
It's not just any woman, Nancy. They need new women
every single night, and they want to do things to
these women that a lot of women wouldn't consent to. Now,
obviously this is a family show, so I'm not going
to get into all that. But that's why they're using
drugs like GHP to drug these women so they can't
say no.
Speaker 10 (07:55):
That's what this is all about.
Speaker 9 (07:56):
And the tailor's old as time doesn't matter if it's
the Alexander Brothers Diddy, Okay, I can say that.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I'm clearly I think you and I have a communication
problem because you're just basically saying everything that I say.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I'm Linn Shaw.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Helped me out here, founder executive director Lynn's Warriors, committed
to ending sex attacks on children and women. Lynn Shaw.
I'm trying to make the point that the argument will
be made by the defense. I already know the facts
is presented by the state. Everything that Ramani just.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Said, I get it.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I've read the indictment. Okay, the defense is going to
argue at trial they don't need to rape women. They
can get any woman they want. Therefore, this is consensual.
That's bs it's argued in so many rape cases.
Speaker 11 (08:49):
I call them the Alexander Brothers crime family, and I
call these dirty Ditty complicit wannabes. Listen, the egos are
so big they're out of control. Again, this is the
same story we heard with Ditty and others facing charges
like this that so many vulnerable girls and women. I'm
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going to throw in the girls again. I wish we
could get down to were there any miners involved, But
that will unfold at some point. They want to see
and live this lifestyle. Many of these women were approached
online complete strangers, and they said, we'll fly you out,
We'll give you hotels, we'll give you parties, we'll give
you clothes, and vulnerable people, girls especially really want to
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experience this. I'm here to say if this case can
help us educate the general public, because we're hearing about
all these you know, dirty ditty We're hearing about Tape brothers,
We're hearing about Jeffrey Epstein, we're hearing about now these
criminal Alexander brothers. If it could, if it could water
down eventually, my hope is to everyday cases that are happening,
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that nobody will ever hear those victims, see those victims,
so we can educate everybody. When they offer you something
like this, this lifestyle for free, they're going to fly
you somewhere run.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
In the other direction.
Speaker 11 (10:06):
This is again their powers, their money, their egos, their homes,
overtaking people's common sense. We have to do better educating
the public, girls and women about all of this.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Their family wealth has been estimated, correct me if I'm wrong,
Christina a whyo joining me from Salemuse Channel, over one
hundred and fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Correct, And I'm I'm sure that's even more than that.
Is the parents have offered to put up to one
billion dollars to get their three boys out of prison
out on bail. They've even offered to put them up
in a second story apartment complex where they're jail time
pre trial, that has no beachfront, that has no luxury,
that's you know, guarded twenty four to seven by guard.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Way whoa wha waite, white white Christina, Wait, did you
say the parents want to get them out of jail
on a billion as in brother b brother billion dollar bill.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And the jail is because they don't have a beach.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
They won't have a view, they won't have any orgies,
and it won't be luxuries. So that's what they're considering
to be jail. And yes, up to one billion with
a beach is what they're willing to put up to
get their three sons out of prison.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Bill Day, it's the ditties.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's the new ditties because all the money procuring the women,
making other people be your hench person to bring women
to you, to drug them and rate them.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Those are the allegations that presumed innocent.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But also is Luigi Mangioni all over again. Here is
a rich brat kid whining about how US common people
have to live with the healthcare industry while he's in
a beach front Hawaii luxury high rise condo. His great
grandparents and grandparents and broke their backs coming to this
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country and becoming millionaires, working up.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
From nothing nothing, passing it down.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So Luigi Mangioni could find in his luxury condo these
two same thing.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Bill.
Speaker 12 (12:21):
Yeah, and in this case they've actually built their business,
so they've built their brand. They now feel omnipotent. I
mean they have money, they're traveling with celebrities, they're flying
on private jets. You know, they're selling these huge, multi
multimillion dollar properties. They are getting headlines in all kinds
of media, including their own real estate empire.
Speaker 10 (12:42):
So you know, these are the paper people.
Speaker 12 (12:44):
If I put a profile around the FBI profile, but
I know enough of them to speak about how these people.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Become can become emboldened, emblazoned.
Speaker 12 (12:53):
It's both feeding the ego as well as also just
their ability to control things. So they like to be
able to get control everything, whether it's the deal or people.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Guess what, I got a superseding indictment. I bet that's
making Nima Ramani just clinch because when you see the
FEDS have a superseding indictment, this is for conspiracy to
commit sex trafficking on these rich brats. That means, hey,
we have one go at you, but we're not through.
(13:24):
We're issuing a revised, a new and improved indictment with
more charges. It supersedes the previous indictment. Yeah, they may
be rolling in money, but apparently the Feds don't care
so exactly. Who are the so called real estate Bros.
Speaker 13 (13:44):
There are three Alexander brothers. Two of the brothers are
twins or an a lawn. Their older brother Tall Tall
and or In. Alexander are known in the world of
high priced real estate, having broke he to a forty
nine million dollar deal for their dad in twenty twelve
and at two hundred and forty million dollar deal Yellopra
Manhattan condos sale in twenty nineteen, while Orang's twin brother
Alan attended law school before joining the family's private security company,
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Kin Security.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
In the Last Days, an alleged sex assault victim who
says she was raped by playboy twins and their relative,
makes terrifying claims about the suspect's family in court filing.
She also says cousin and friend Ohad Fisherman, also a
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real estate star, helped the brothers rape her by leading
her into a bedroom and locking the door. Now Miami
Day prosecutors, who have leveled criminal charges against the men,
call what allegedly happened.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
A gang rape. What do we know about the facts?
Speaker 14 (15:04):
In a fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the
Alexander twins Orin and Elon, celebrate their twenty eighth birthday.
Celebrants are greeted by a nearly naked woman on display
as a toy for the rich and famous to play
with as they take turns. Dripping hot wax on the
woman setting the tone for the decade, a night that
awaits those who are rich enough and or famous enough
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to be invited to the Alexander Twins' birthday pash.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
What am I hearing?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Wait a minute, A fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse.
The real estate bros celebrate their twenty eighth birthday celebrates
greeted by a nearly naked woman on display as a
toy for the rich and famous to play with as
they take turns dripping hot wax on her.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Deja vous? Huh does this remind you of anything? Hi diddy?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
There, you are nothing like eating sushi off a naked
lady on display for the rich and famous. I mean
it's like an echo chamber in here.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, guess what.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
The Feds apparently in this case anyway, don't care how
rich you are or whether you're eating sushi off a
naked lady at a luxury party or you have her
on display so rich people can drip wax on her.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Listen to the US Attorney for the Southern District.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Omni or the Alexander Brothers, sometimes acting alone, sometimes with
each other, and sometimes with other men, forcibly raped and
assaulted the women. As the endictment alleges, the Alexander Brothers
sex trafficking agreement went beyond the plan trips and events.
On numerous occasions, one or more of the defendants drugged
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and raped or sexually assaulted women they encountered by chance
at bars, at nightclubs, social events, and dating apps. These
assaults allegedly had many of the same hallmarks as the
rapes that occurred at group events, isolated locations, drug victims,
force and physical restraint.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
It's really a lot to take in.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You know, very often, as a former prosecutor prosecuting nothing
but violent felonies, I would catch myself wondering why, for instance,
why not just date a woman and have a relationship
and have sex with her and not drug anybody and
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rape and sodomize them in a party in a party
setting with a lot of guys standing around. But then
I realized, about five years into that kind of thinking,
why ask why? It doesn't matter. I had one job
to seek the truth. Who did, what, where, when?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And why? Why not?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
So much to Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us, Karen,
it's not about sex.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
That's a simple answer for me.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Why don't the real estate bros with all their money
and all their high rises just go date somebody and
have a sex life.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It's not about the sex. What is it?
Speaker 7 (18:21):
It's a perversion Nancy. They're getting off on raping satemizing.
A normal relationship, the kind that you're referring to, does
not excite them. They have gotten used to this kind
of rape and violence since they were in high school,
and this is what gets them excited.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Nothing else.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing. These wild, extravagant
parties that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars were not
parties at all. They were just a russ to find
sex assault victims for the new deities.
Speaker 13 (19:00):
The fabulous parties with fabulous people might have been a
cover for something sinister pre planned by the Alexander brothers.
Each of the three brothers has been accused of forcible
rape by at least ten women. All three indicted on
federal charges of sex trafficking, while the twins aren't in
Alan are charged with sexual battery in Florida. The Alexanders
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have denied the allegations in the civil cases, and their
reps have previously gone so far as to suggest the
accusers were trying to shake down the brothers.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Second verse, same as the first. Do I have to
say deja vu all over again? Why the real estate
bros Are called the New didties same thing now they
called it fabulous parties.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Diddy calls it freakoffs.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Homes allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he
called freakoffs, and he often electronically recorded them.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
The freak offs.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Sometimes lasted days at a time, involved multiple commercial sex workers,
and often involved a variety of narcotics such as ketamine, ecstasy,
and GHB, which Combs distributed to the victims to keep them.
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Obedient and compliant.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
As alleged, when Combes didn't get his way, he was
violent and he subjected victims of physical, emotional, and verbal
abuse so that they would participate in the freakofs.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
To Christina Awaio, joining US investigative reporter and news anchor,
the comparison between the real estate Bros And Ditty are inescapable.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
They are They both are basically using their power and
influence to allegedly drug and rape women.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
However, the brothers.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Have been doing this I think longer than Diddy, all
the way tracing back to high school. I think they
were encouraged to do it with their lifestyle, and they
have been described as being very aggressive, very bullish, very
attack of when it comes to working in business, and
also you have people from their high school years who
are coming forward saying that they did it in high school,
and people were scared. Everybody in the community was scared
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to speak out because they had so much power, they
had so much prominence, because they had so much influence.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And the same goes for Diddy.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
He has so much power and so much money, people
don't want to talk out against it. People are scared
that their careers are going to be ruined, that they're
never going to be let back into the music industry,
that they'll be blacklisted from certain events. And I think
the same is true for the Brothers.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Real estate czars, twin brothers and a relative. An alleged
victim claims she says she fears the suspect's family would
kill her if she went public with the climbs. Well,
it isn't her going public, it's the government. Prosecutors now
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charging the brothers and a relative with multiple counts.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Of sex assault.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
The thirty seven year old brothers, the twins, are facing
charges for allegedly drugging and raping multiple women, and according
to prosecutors, it went on for years. The brothers also
facing legal woes from the federal government who is trying
to uncover every single possible alleged victim of the brothers.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
US attorneys in the Southern District of New York.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
That's the Feds returned to three count indictment in December
against the twin brothers and their older brother, tal Alexander.
He's thirty eight, also employed as a luxury realtor in
both New York City and Miami. Fed say the brothers,
who are celebs.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
In the Manhattan and the Miami.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Party scenes, used their real estate reputations and celebrity to
run a sex trafficking scheme where they promise dozens of
women romantic relationships luxury travel parties, only to sex assault
them violently.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
What more do we know?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
A woman writes a friend in text messages that she
feared for her life if she ever spoke out against
the realty bros. As they are now called. Two twin
brothers and their older brother charge in multi count indictments,
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massive piles of paper charging these three with years and
years of sex assaulting unsuspecting women, and now claims at
least one of the women feared they would be killed
if they came forward. What have we learned about the
evidence so far?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
The ax Await.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Rape charges in jail. As a New York federal judge
deems the trio flight risks, they're extradited to the same
jail as Ditty as the Metropolitan Detention set are lose.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
The Alexander Brothers, a so called real estate bros rolling
in money also called the New Ditties, all of their
trouble started, well, it really started all the way back
in high school when they're accused of such assaulting women
all the way back then. But the current day problems
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i e. Their rape charges all started when one woman
spoke out. According to prosecutors, the rapes and sex assaults
have been going on for years and years and years
until this woman spoke out.
Speaker 13 (24:49):
Listen, The Alexander brothers fall from grace begins when the
Real Deal reports on damning lawsuits brought by alleged victims
Kay Wyman and Rebecca Mandel. Whyman alleges the brothers abducted
her in twenty twelve and brought her to a Hampton's
party palace in Watermill, Long Island, where the brothers allegedly
dragged her into a large bedroom where she was sexually assaulted, abused, raped, pinned, groped, harassed,
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battered and fondled by a lawn and or in Alexander,
isn't it amazing?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Linn Saw joining us in Lynz Warriors.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
How it only takes one person, one person to stand
up and be counted, one person to speak out, even
though they may be afraid for the whole.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
House of cards to fall down.
Speaker 11 (25:34):
Yeah, but we have to educate everybody that we will
give you safety, we will give you guardrails, we will
stand next to you. That is what I'm hoping all
of these dirty ditties and this Alexander Brothers crime family
will bring more public awareness again watering down to you know,
maybe that team that lives in the Bronx or something
like that, that they can come forward. We will take
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care of them. But I want to point something out.
There was so much video evidence here, and I want
to go back to what happened with all those videos
where they upload it to porn sites?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Was there millions of dollars? Because we do a lot
of work with this.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Wait a minute, Lynn Shaw, hold on, you're exactly right
straight out to Christina at Wyo, joining US News anchor
investigative reporter, What are the so called trophies of the
real estate bros That.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Has just have just been revealed.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Yes, well, it's one thing to have a witness testimony, right,
but it's an entirely different situation when you have video evidence.
As we just saw with the Cassie and Diddy situation.
Prosecutors and investigators rated tell Alexander's Manhattan apartment and they
found a hard drive filled with pictures and videos. They're
saying in these videos, of course, there's the quote unquote
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Orgys or the sessions where alleged rape is happening. They're
saying that women can be seen highly intoxicated on alcohol
or maybe even drug. They're saying they're seeing in these
videos where the brothers are physically manipulting these women's bodies
to have sex with them, and most of the time
they're seeing these women do not know they're being recorded.
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There's this one incident that they explain that a woman
and a man are having sex in a stall and
another person is recording over the stall with a camera,
and when the woman sees it, she protests, she says no.
So it's going to be pretty difficult for whatever reason
they kept these videos, or they have these videos, It's
going to be difficult to defend this in court.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Christina, you stated that one of the videos was taken
over a stall.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
What yep, So a man and a woman were having sex.
It did in detail if that was forced rape. It
didn't detail what that was exactly. But there is a
third person who is holding a video camera up over
the bathroom stall where the woman and man are inside
of that stall having sex. And the woman sees the camera.
She tells them to stop, and they don't stop. And
that's what prosecutors are saying. They're not listening to these women.
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They're manipulating their bodies, and they won't stop when the
women are asking them to stop.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Trophies trophies. Tanima Ramani is joining US former federal prosecutor,
president of West Coast Trial Warriors, author of Harvard to
hashtags Nima trophies.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Have been the undoing of so many criminals.
Speaker 9 (28:12):
Explain, Oh, it's great evidence if you're a prosecutor, because
people can lie. Criminal defendants lie all the time, even
witnesses and victims can sometimes lie. But video doesn't lie.
And when you have video of these sex acts, that
is the best evidence when you're a prosecutor, because really
there's only two defenses in any sex trafficking case. Either
the sexual activity didn't happen or it was consensual. That's it.
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And once you have that video, it certainly takes away
the first defense, and then when women are being drugged,
takes away the second as well. And there's really two
reasons why people record these sex acts. The first is
their own deviant sexual pleasure, and I think that's probably
why Diddy was recording his freak offs. But there's the
second reason, and that is to have control over the
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victimsotentially blackmailed them and say, hey, if you come after me,
I'm going to leak these.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Videos Christina and Jayo.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Isn't it true that these videos were pulled off of
a hard drive that was found hidden in a closet
during a federal search, Yes.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
In Tall Alexander's Manhattan apartment, so they were really searching.
They had the warrant to go through everything, and he
kept them. He kept them on a hard drive. And
it's not just videos, it's pictures as well. And it
goes to show that just like he said, men light
women light, witnesses lie perhaps, but the video is not
going to lie and this is pretty tough evidence. However,
the defense is already saying this doesn't prove anything. This
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doesn't prove a commercial act. This doesn't prove that they
were drugged. It may prove that they're intoxicated. But he's saying, oh,
these are just big orgies. Everybody was willing and there
is nothing going on here, So next story, please, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It reminds me.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
In the last few days, Shawn Comes aka Diddi's defense
team has stated they want the free coll videos to
be made public because it quote proves his innocence. Okay, sure,
you know another thing. If it's so innocent, why was
it hidden in a closet? But thinking about the videos
the trophies pulled from a hard drive in the real
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estate bro's closet, it reminds me of a certain raid
that went down on San Combs's mansion. In that case,
as well, Bill Daily, former FBI trophies quote trophies were
obtained during that raid. Bill Daily video equipment was reportedly
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discovered along with over one thousand bottles of lubricant Baby oil.
Trophies have been the bane of many criminals existence why trophies.
Speaker 12 (30:46):
You know, and as if you go to other kind
of repeat offenders, repeat criminals such as Dennis Raider, the
bund torture kill fiend. You know, they keep pieces of
clothing to keep some something to remind them something.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Who's going to get them excited, Something's going.
Speaker 12 (31:03):
To you know, make them remember how how wonderful it
was that they controlled this person, that they did what
they did.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
And so for all these things, it's some.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Way are you putting perfume on the pig daily, that's
not like you the souvenirs, the trophies quote get them excited.
You may give them an direction.
Speaker 12 (31:21):
Well, you know that as well as sharing among other
people being able to. In some cases they like to
share it because they've they've had this experience of other people.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
They keep it.
Speaker 12 (31:30):
They look at themselves, you know, maybe other people. They
let them see that. That all kind of gives them
a sense of control. It goes back to that essence
of controlling individuals, controlling their environment, doing what they want
to do, using that leverage over people.
Speaker 10 (31:44):
You know. In this case, Nancy, in a very interesting
point it came up, which.
Speaker 12 (31:47):
Is simply we've seen in other cases is that as
the FBI was investigating this, reports are coming out that
multiple victims have the same stories. Again, people who've been
not connected, not there at the same place, same time,
but have the same to tell.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
All of that is extreming.
Speaker 12 (32:02):
And as part of what I believe the FBI is
and the US the Attorney's officers making their case out of,
is that they have statements.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
And I would encourage people.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
You know, I'm very curious, Bill Daily. I think this
goes beyond.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Your or my kin colloquial for understanding. Joining me psychologist
Karen Stark. Everything Bill Daily said is correct, But what
is the reason, the mental or the psychological reason that
people like Dennis Raider or in this case, the real
estate bros also called the rape bros.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
But those are just accusations. Why keep all these videos
they're damning.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
It's a wonderful way for them to relive the crime.
Nancy and whatever got them off when they were doing it,
whatever got them excited and gave them erections and orgasms.
They can do that all over again repeatedly because they
have these trophies.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's great if it's.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
A video, but it can be an airing, It could
be a necklace. It could be a piece of clothing.
It doesn't matter. They wind up reliving the excitement that
they felt at the time and how much they controlled
the situation.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
For years.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
The Alexander brothers, sometimes with others, also arranged domestic and
international trips to carry out their sex trafficking scheme. To
recruit and induce women to come on the trips, they
provided material benefits, things like travel to vacation destinations, luxury accommodations,
and access to other high end experiences.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Are the claims true? Should I believe the real estate Bros?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Or should I believe all of the women now coming forward,
some of them named in federal indictments, others filing civil suits.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
What's very hard.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
For many people to understand, including myself, is how the
real estate bros. Acted, how they faked a happy home life.
Speaker 13 (34:06):
Listen, the Alexander brothers are all married now. A Lawn
married Shaney Zigrin, with whom he has two children, in
May of twenty twenty, or In married model Camilla Hanson
in April twenty twenty three, and Tall married Ariel CogAT
in October of twenty twenty three. Or In pleaded with
a judge to let him out as his wife was
pregnant and do any day. His request was denied.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
That's something the baby can say as it grows up.
Dad was in jail on rape charges when I was born.
This whole facade of a happy family again, it's diddy
Rediu listen, be happy.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
I love you. Two of you get hit on the
phone time.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
To veterman.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Try a lawyer of former felony prosecutor Ramani Nima. It
would not be the first time a so called family
man was ultimately convicted of repeat offenses. I mean, there's
Dennis Raider that Bill Dealey brought up earlier, who would
sex assault and kill so many women and including young
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girls on his dog catching route the whole time. He
had a family at home, and he was a deacon
in the church. Then you've got Gaysey John Wayne Gacy,
who would go to children's birthday parties to entertain the
children dressed as a clown.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I don't know how many.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Boys' bodies were pulled out of his crawl space. Then
you got Ted Bundy, who seemingly was a successful law
school student.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
He's a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
He goes on and on and do I have to
say rex Huerman, the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room,
the architect by day, serial killer by night, with a
wife and two.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Children, Nancy and Human.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
His wife actually saw some of these sex acts, at
least allegedly, So this question of what she knew, well,
this is criminal defense.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
Lawyering one oh one.
Speaker 9 (36:09):
They want to show the jurors that the defendant has
family support. That's why you see Ditty's family at every
single appearance. That's why I fully expect the Alexander brothers
to have their parents, the wives who haven't filed divorce
to be at those court proceedings, because that's what jurors expect.
They want to see the family members supporting the folks
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who are accused and are on trap.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And like Didty, the new Ditties have a.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Fantastical scheme of how they're going to stay out of
MDC Metropolitan Detention Center listen.
Speaker 13 (36:43):
In a crazy bid to keep their boys out of incarceration,
the parents of the Alexander brothers have offered to provide
private imprisonment. In a real proposal to authorities, Shlomo and
Early Alexander proposed confining the brothers to a two bedroom
apartment on the eighth floor of Miami building. Emphasize the
apartment is non waterfront and non luxury. They promised security
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guards would be stationed around the clock and an alarm
system would make sure the brothers remain on site. The
parents also offered to put up to one billion dollars
bail for their sons to get out of jail.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
In case you.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Didn't get that, it's one billion as in brother biz
in brother, not million billion. The parents offering to put
up one billion dollars cash to get their sons out
of jail. Maybe they were going to put in some
equity into that, but one billion dollars bail to get
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their sons out and having them imprisoned.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
In a Miami high rise, and.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
The suffering part was that they wouldn't get a beach
front view ouch.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That has to hurt. How dare you mommy and daddy?
Christina Yo.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
It's reminiscent of the last bid, well the last three
bids by Sean Combs to get out on bid where
he offered the judge a multimillion dollar bill package I
think it was twenty meal and he would stay in
a Manhattan town home with his own private security guards
to keep him from raping people.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Eerie echo, right, And that's the draw, right exactly. I
promised not to rape anybody during this time.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
I promised that I'm not going to have any orgies.
In fact, I won't even have any women over So
that in and of itself is a huge punishment. This
is the same thing that we're seeing with these brothers.
And quite frankly, I don't know how much the parents
can be trusted in this whole situation, because we talk
about pretending to have a perfect family. But I go
back to the sex bus that was sitting outside of
their forty million dollar home as the brothers were in
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high school, and people have said witness testimony, they are
saying that back in those days that women in the scene,
in the Miami scene because for some reason, high school
brothers were in the Miami scene. They were warned not
to drink any drinks that came from the brothers and
to stay away from the brothers.
Speaker 14 (39:05):
The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth and
positions to create and facilitate opportunities to rape and sexually
assault women. So far, more than forty women have come
forward accusing the three Alexander brothers of sexual misconducts, and
investigators are asking other women who believe they have been.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Assaulted to call.
Speaker 14 (39:24):
Attorneys for the brothers say they planned to plead not
guilty to the charges, which, if convicted, could lend all
three brothers in prison for life.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
As we are discussing these alleged acts, sex assault, rape, sodomies,
that's what we're saying. Reportedly date all the way back
to when the Real Estate Bros Were in high school.
Speaker 15 (39:45):
Listen as news of the arrests start to spread, stories
from the Alexander brothers high school years come to light.
Their history of sexual violence dates back decades to their
high school days in Miami, where they bragged about several
gang rapes. Prosecutors say each of the victims that the
government has interviewed from this period reported hearing that individuals involved,
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including Tal Alexander, talked about the assaults at school, boasting
about running train on their victims and saying they wanted
to do it again.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
You know, Lynn Shaw.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
As many raped and sodomy cases that I've investigated, I
have tried, have pled out.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
To jail time have covered. It's still it's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
It makes something and you want to die to hear
about them bragging about quote running train on the victims,
which means multiple rapists on one victim, saying they quote
wanted to do it again. It never ceases to be
heartbreaking that a victim would go through this.
Speaker 11 (40:55):
Well, we can't die, Nancy. We have to stand for
those that don't have a voice. I want us to
focus on two things here. I want us to focus on,
where was mama Alexander. We're talking about a sex bus
when these trio of triplets, dirty ditty triplets were right
part right in front of their their multimillion dollar mansion.
I'm telling you as a mother, I knew when my
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kids moved a throw.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Pillow on my couch.
Speaker 11 (41:19):
Where were the parents at this time and throughout all
of this? The second thing I want to and we
have to talk about that because people have to start
standing up. Where were these parents? They were the talk
of the town. We're hearing, you know, in the Miami,
Florida area, so we should focus on that. I also
want to focus on you're not going to see their
wives in court with them. Those women are taking their
kids and running for the hills. One is already filed
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for divorce. Okay, they're going to turn evidence on them.
They're beautiful young women, they have some young children, a
newborn baby. They're not sticking around for this. And the
third thing I want to get back to we're not
talking enough about is that oldest brother with his security firm.
There is video evidence. Where are all those videos going?
I guarantee, I hope we have a forensic accountant coming along.
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That they have been uploaded not only to control their
victims and to scare them, they have been uploaded to
porn sites where these monsters make millions and millions of
dollars across the globe. And that's these are things we
should be looking at.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Of course, the parents aren't charged with anything.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
That said, let me give everyone the eight hundred line
one eight hundred two two five five three two four
repeat eight hundred two two five five three two four.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
We wait as just as sun falls. Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Bombshell claim in a multi count indictment accusing twin brothers
and property czars of violent sex assaults. I, Nancy Grace,
this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Of course, we're talking about a lawn and or in Alexander,
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the famous luxury real estate brokers now facing claims they
repeatedly over years lured female victims, then taking turns sex
assaulting them. In the last days, a woman accusing the
twin brothers the property magnates of violent sex assaults, claims
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in texts she is convinced they would kill.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Her if she spoke out.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That's right, and newly released text messages between the alleged
victim and her friend she calls the brother's family quote
the worst people because she's convinced they would hire a hitman,
a hit man to kill her if she ever went
public with her claims. What claims, oh brace yourselves.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
But Trio Brothers luxury real estate agents to the super rich.
Indicted on federal sex trafficking and battery charges. Claims go
back more than a decade.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Claims going back more than a decade, Try two decades.
Now forty women that we know of, the claiming these
filt the rich real estate moguls took part in rape
after rape after systematic rape, and that the allegations go
back to when they were in high school. All that money,
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all that privilege and education has bought them a one
way ticket to hell with a pitstop and.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
The federal penitentiary. That's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
But I want you to hear what Damian Williams, the
US attorney, has to say.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
The Alexander brothers and other men they planned the trips with,
paid for the flights or accommodations for the women on
these trips, and at times the defendants handpicked the women
to invite. At other times they used paid party promoters
to source women for them. The indictment also alleges that
in advance of these events, the Alexander brothers and others
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procured drugs that they agreed to provide to the women,
including cocaine, mushrooms, and GHB as. We allege that these
drugs caused some of the women to be physically unable
to fight back or to escape.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Now you know why they're calling it the new ditty
or should I say the new Ditties? Now that's what
the US attorney is saying for the US attorney for
the Southern District. But I want you to look at
orin Alexander on the founder.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Having the ability to work with my brother, to have
a partner with your brother, and I just think about
that for a seconds. The biggest issue you have in
partnership is trust and knowing that you don't have to worry.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Honey, you got something to worry about.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Now, what if your brother flips on you and testifies
against you. Let's just analyze what we just heard, and
that's where our friends. That from the founder on YouTube,
that's or an Alexander one of the and I mean
filed the rich rolling in money, that's or an Alexander quote.
Having the ability to work with my brother, to have
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a partner who's your brother.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You know, just think about that for a second. Don't worry.
I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and
knowing you don't have to worry.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Okay, what happened with me?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
An All Star panel, Let's get to it straight out
to christ Yo joining US national news anchor Salem News Channel, Christina,
thank you for being with us I'm really curious about
how much money these two have. And this goes all
the way back. Their family is wealthy, their grandfather wealthy,
blah blah blah blah, kind of like Luigi MANNGIONI just
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all that money to silver spoons in the mouth.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And yet this what happened, Christina.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
You know, actually I think it started way back when
they were in high school. As people are now starting
to come out and say that they actually had a
sex fan that was parked in front of their parents
forty million dollars beachfront of state where the boys, the
brothers in high school would take women to have sex
in that bus in front of their parents' house. So
this has been behavior that has been encouraged, perhaps by
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their parents, all the way through. Then you add the
hundreds of millions of dollars in properties that these brothers
have sold and the security business, and they're pretty much
running around town doing anything that they want, including, according
to prosecutors, drugging women raping women. Each brother has separately
been accused of at least ten rapes, ten forcible rapes
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by women, and prosecutors are saying that.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Hey, hey, Christina, Christina Ohio, hold on don't wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
We were just looking at them, Karen Stark.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Why is it so hard for people to believe that
super wealthy, college educated, great job guys can commit heinous crimes?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
That's what he posted on his own Facebook.
Speaker 7 (05:38):
Go ahead, well, I really believe Nancy, and people see
this outward of parents.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
They're dressed so.
Speaker 8 (05:44):
Well, they look so terrific that they buy that that
they believe that that's what they really like, and they
have no idea what's going on behind the scene. And
actually the fact that he says he trusts his brother,
I was thinking, yet they trust all of them trust
each other in supporting the crimes that they committed, which
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made it even worse because they were encouraged.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Nima Ramani is joining US high profile lawyer out of
the California jurisdiction and for my purposes, former federal prosecutor,
president of the West Coast Trial Lawyers and author of
Harvard to hashtag Nina, thank you for being with us.
Many people not familiar with our world of crime would say, hey,
why do they have to rape women with good looks?
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Of course they're not attractive to me. I think they
look like Satan himself. But with good looks and all
that money, they could get any woman they want, so
why rape a woman? That kind of argument has actually
worked on jurys before, Nima, it has.
Speaker 9 (06:46):
But Nancy, this isn't just having sex with women. We're
talking about drug induced to orgies right where multiple men,
including the two brothers, are allegedly having sex with the
same woman. So, yeah, women might want to have sex
with a handsome, wealthy man, but not get in a
situation where they're having an orgy and they are being
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violated by multiple men.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Your speaking sense to me, Yes, I know that. That's
my point, Nama, I'm like two steps beyond that.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Of course, what you just said is right.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What I'm saying is it would be argued to a jury.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Just look at them.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Why would they have to source women with a pr
person in other words, basically pimp for pimp for the
brothers because they could get any woman they want. Therefore,
ergo they're innocent.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
It's not just any woman, Nancy. They need new women
every single night, and they want to do things to
these women that a lot of women wouldn't consent to. Now,
obviously this is a family show, so I'm not going
to get into all that. But that's why they're using
drugs like GHP to drug these women so they can't
say no.
Speaker 10 (07:55):
That's what this is all about.
Speaker 9 (07:56):
And the tailor's old as time doesn't matter if it's
the Alexander Brothers Diddy, Okay, I can say that.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I'm clearly I think you and I have a communication
problem because you're just basically saying everything that I say.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I'm Linn Shaw.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Helped me out here, founder executive director Lynn's Warriors, committed
to ending sex attacks on children and women. Lynn Shaw.
I'm trying to make the point that the argument will
be made by the defense. I already know the facts
is presented by the state. Everything that Ramani just.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Said, I get it.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I've read the indictment. Okay, the defense is going to
argue at trial they don't need to rape women. They
can get any woman they want. Therefore, this is consensual.
That's bs it's argued in so many rape cases.
Speaker 11 (08:49):
I call them the Alexander Brothers crime family, and I
call these dirty Ditty complicit wannabes. Listen, the egos are
so big they're out of control. Again, this is the
same story we heard with Ditty and others facing charges
like this that so many vulnerable girls and women. I'm
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going to throw in the girls again. I wish we
could get down to were there any miners involved, But
that will unfold at some point. They want to see
and live this lifestyle. Many of these women were approached
online complete strangers, and they said, we'll fly you out,
We'll give you hotels, we'll give you parties, we'll give
you clothes, and vulnerable people, girls especially really want to
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experience this. I'm here to say if this case can
help us educate the general public, because we're hearing about
all these you know, dirty ditty We're hearing about Tape brothers,
We're hearing about Jeffrey Epstein, we're hearing about now these
criminal Alexander brothers. If it could, if it could water
down eventually, my hope is to everyday cases that are happening,
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that nobody will ever hear those victims, see those victims,
so we can educate everybody. When they offer you something
like this, this lifestyle for free, they're going to fly
you somewhere run.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
In the other direction.
Speaker 11 (10:06):
This is again their powers, their money, their egos, their homes,
overtaking people's common sense. We have to do better educating
the public, girls and women about all of this.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Their family wealth has been estimated, correct me if I'm wrong,
Christina a whyo joining me from Salemuse Channel, over one
hundred and fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Correct, And I'm I'm sure that's even more than that.
Is the parents have offered to put up to one
billion dollars to get their three boys out of prison
out on bail. They've even offered to put them up
in a second story apartment complex where they're jail time
pre trial, that has no beachfront, that has no luxury,
that's you know, guarded twenty four to seven by guard.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Way whoa wha waite, white white Christina, Wait, did you
say the parents want to get them out of jail
on a billion as in brother b brother billion dollar bill.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
And the jail is because they don't have a beach.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
They won't have a view, they won't have any orgies,
and it won't be luxuries. So that's what they're considering
to be jail. And yes, up to one billion with
a beach is what they're willing to put up to
get their three sons out of prison.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Bill Day, it's the ditties.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's the new ditties because all the money procuring the women,
making other people be your hench person to bring women
to you, to drug them and rate them.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Those are the allegations that presumed innocent.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
But also is Luigi Mangioni all over again. Here is
a rich brat kid whining about how US common people
have to live with the healthcare industry while he's in
a beach front Hawaii luxury high rise condo. His great
grandparents and grandparents and broke their backs coming to this
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country and becoming millionaires, working up.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
From nothing nothing, passing it down.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So Luigi Mangioni could find in his luxury condo these
two same thing.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Bill.
Speaker 12 (12:21):
Yeah, and in this case they've actually built their business,
so they've built their brand. They now feel omnipotent. I
mean they have money, they're traveling with celebrities, they're flying
on private jets. You know, they're selling these huge, multi
multimillion dollar properties. They are getting headlines in all kinds
of media, including their own real estate empire.
Speaker 10 (12:42):
So you know, these are the paper people.
Speaker 12 (12:44):
If I put a profile around the FBI profile, but
I know enough of them to speak about how these people.
Speaker 10 (12:50):
Become can become emboldened, emblazoned.
Speaker 12 (12:53):
It's both feeding the ego as well as also just
their ability to control things. So they like to be
able to get control everything, whether it's the deal or people.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Guess what, I got a superseding indictment. I bet that's
making Nima Ramani just clinch because when you see the
FEDS have a superseding indictment, this is for conspiracy to
commit sex trafficking on these rich brats. That means, hey,
we have one go at you, but we're not through.
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We're issuing a revised, a new and improved indictment with
more charges. It supersedes the previous indictment. Yeah, they may
be rolling in money, but apparently the Feds don't care
so exactly. Who are the so called real estate Bros.
Speaker 13 (13:44):
There are three Alexander brothers. Two of the brothers are
twins or an a lawn. Their older brother Tall Tall
and or In. Alexander are known in the world of
high priced real estate, having broke he to a forty
nine million dollar deal for their dad in twenty twelve
and at two hundred and forty million dollar deal Yellopra
Manhattan condos sale in twenty nineteen, while Orang's twin brother
Alan attended law school before joining the family's private security company,
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Kin Security.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
In the Last Days, an alleged sex assault victim who
says she was raped by playboy twins and their relative,
makes terrifying claims about the suspect's family in court filing.
She also says cousin and friend Ohad Fisherman, also a
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real estate star, helped the brothers rape her by leading
her into a bedroom and locking the door. Now Miami
Day prosecutors, who have leveled criminal charges against the men,
call what allegedly happened.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
A gang rape. What do we know about the facts?
Speaker 14 (15:04):
In a fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse, the
Alexander twins Orin and Elon, celebrate their twenty eighth birthday.
Celebrants are greeted by a nearly naked woman on display
as a toy for the rich and famous to play
with as they take turns. Dripping hot wax on the
woman setting the tone for the decade, a night that
awaits those who are rich enough and or famous enough
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to be invited to the Alexander Twins' birthday pash.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
What am I hearing?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Wait a minute, A fifty million dollar Upper east Side townhouse.
The real estate bros celebrate their twenty eighth birthday celebrates
greeted by a nearly naked woman on display as a
toy for the rich and famous to play with as
they take turns dripping hot wax on her.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Deja vous? Huh does this remind you of anything? Hi diddy?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
There, you are nothing like eating sushi off a naked
lady on display for the rich and famous. I mean
it's like an echo chamber in here.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, guess what.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
The Feds apparently in this case anyway, don't care how
rich you are or whether you're eating sushi off a
naked lady at a luxury party or you have her
on display so rich people can drip wax on her.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Listen to the US Attorney for the Southern District.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Omni or the Alexander Brothers, sometimes acting alone, sometimes with
each other, and sometimes with other men, forcibly raped and
assaulted the women. As the endictment alleges, the Alexander Brothers
sex trafficking agreement went beyond the plan trips and events.
On numerous occasions, one or more of the defendants drugged
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and raped or sexually assaulted women they encountered by chance
at bars, at nightclubs, social events, and dating apps. These
assaults allegedly had many of the same hallmarks as the
rapes that occurred at group events, isolated locations, drug victims,
force and physical restraint.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
It's really a lot to take in.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You know, very often, as a former prosecutor prosecuting nothing
but violent felonies, I would catch myself wondering why, for instance,
why not just date a woman and have a relationship
and have sex with her and not drug anybody and
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rape and sodomize them in a party in a party
setting with a lot of guys standing around. But then
I realized, about five years into that kind of thinking,
why ask why? It doesn't matter. I had one job
to seek the truth. Who did, what, where, when?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And why? Why not?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
So much to Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us, Karen,
it's not about sex.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
That's a simple answer for me.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Why don't the real estate bros with all their money
and all their high rises just go date somebody and
have a sex life.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
It's not about the sex. What is it?
Speaker 7 (18:21):
It's a perversion Nancy. They're getting off on raping satemizing.
A normal relationship, the kind that you're referring to, does
not excite them. They have gotten used to this kind
of rape and violence since they were in high school,
and this is what gets them excited.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
Nothing else.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing. These wild, extravagant
parties that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars were not
parties at all. They were just a russ to find
sex assault victims for the new deities.
Speaker 13 (19:00):
The fabulous parties with fabulous people might have been a
cover for something sinister pre planned by the Alexander brothers.
Each of the three brothers has been accused of forcible
rape by at least ten women. All three indicted on
federal charges of sex trafficking, while the twins aren't in
Alan are charged with sexual battery in Florida. The Alexanders
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have denied the allegations in the civil cases, and their
reps have previously gone so far as to suggest the
accusers were trying to shake down the brothers.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Second verse, same as the first. Do I have to
say deja vu all over again? Why the real estate
bros Are called the New didties same thing now they
called it fabulous parties.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Diddy calls it freakoffs.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Homes allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he
called freakoffs, and he often electronically recorded them.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
The freak offs.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Sometimes lasted days at a time, involved multiple commercial sex workers,
and often involved a variety of narcotics such as ketamine, ecstasy,
and GHB, which Combs distributed to the victims to keep them.
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Obedient and compliant.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
As alleged, when Combes didn't get his way, he was
violent and he subjected victims of physical, emotional, and verbal
abuse so that they would participate in the freakofs.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
To Christina Awaio, joining US investigative reporter and news anchor,
the comparison between the real estate Bros And Ditty are inescapable.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
They are They both are basically using their power and
influence to allegedly drug and rape women.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
However, the brothers.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Have been doing this I think longer than Diddy, all
the way tracing back to high school. I think they
were encouraged to do it with their lifestyle, and they
have been described as being very aggressive, very bullish, very
attack of when it comes to working in business, and
also you have people from their high school years who
are coming forward saying that they did it in high school,
and people were scared. Everybody in the community was scared
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to speak out because they had so much power, they
had so much prominence, because they had so much influence.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And the same goes for Diddy.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
He has so much power and so much money, people
don't want to talk out against it. People are scared
that their careers are going to be ruined, that they're
never going to be let back into the music industry,
that they'll be blacklisted from certain events. And I think
the same is true for the Brothers.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Real estate czars, twin brothers and a relative. An alleged
victim claims she says she fears the suspect's family would
kill her if she went public with the climbs. Well,
it isn't her going public, it's the government. Prosecutors now
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charging the brothers and a relative with multiple counts.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Of sex assault.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
The thirty seven year old brothers, the twins, are facing
charges for allegedly drugging and raping multiple women, and according
to prosecutors, it went on for years. The brothers also
facing legal woes from the federal government who is trying
to uncover every single possible alleged victim of the brothers.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
US attorneys in the Southern District of New York.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
That's the Feds returned to three count indictment in December
against the twin brothers and their older brother, tal Alexander.
He's thirty eight, also employed as a luxury realtor in
both New York City and Miami. Fed say the brothers,
who are celebs.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
In the Manhattan and the Miami.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Party scenes, used their real estate reputations and celebrity to
run a sex trafficking scheme where they promise dozens of
women romantic relationships luxury travel parties, only to sex assault
them violently.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
What more do we know?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
A woman writes a friend in text messages that she
feared for her life if she ever spoke out against
the realty bros. As they are now called. Two twin
brothers and their older brother charge in multi count indictments,
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massive piles of paper charging these three with years and
years of sex assaulting unsuspecting women, and now claims at
least one of the women feared they would be killed
if they came forward. What have we learned about the
evidence so far?
Speaker 1 (23:59):
The ax Await.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Rape charges in jail. As a New York federal judge
deems the trio flight risks, they're extradited to the same
jail as Ditty as the Metropolitan Detention set are lose.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
The Alexander Brothers, a so called real estate bros rolling
in money also called the New Ditties, all of their
trouble started, well, it really started all the way back
in high school when they're accused of such assaulting women
all the way back then. But the current day problems
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i e. Their rape charges all started when one woman
spoke out. According to prosecutors, the rapes and sex assaults
have been going on for years and years and years
until this woman spoke out.
Speaker 13 (24:49):
Listen, The Alexander brothers fall from grace begins when the
Real Deal reports on damning lawsuits brought by alleged victims
Kay Wyman and Rebecca Mandel. Whyman alleges the brothers abducted
her in twenty twelve and brought her to a Hampton's
party palace in Watermill, Long Island, where the brothers allegedly
dragged her into a large bedroom where she was sexually assaulted, abused, raped, pinned, groped, harassed,
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battered and fondled by a lawn and or in Alexander,
isn't it amazing?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Linn Saw joining us in Lynz Warriors.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
How it only takes one person, one person to stand
up and be counted, one person to speak out, even
though they may be afraid for the whole.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
House of cards to fall down.
Speaker 11 (25:34):
Yeah, but we have to educate everybody that we will
give you safety, we will give you guardrails, we will
stand next to you. That is what I'm hoping all
of these dirty ditties and this Alexander Brothers crime family
will bring more public awareness again watering down to you know,
maybe that team that lives in the Bronx or something
like that, that they can come forward. We will take
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care of them. But I want to point something out.
There was so much video evidence here, and I want
to go back to what happened with all those videos
where they upload it to porn sites?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Was there millions of dollars? Because we do a lot
of work with this.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Wait a minute, Lynn Shaw, hold on, you're exactly right
straight out to Christina at Wyo, joining US News anchor
investigative reporter, What are the so called trophies of the
real estate bros That.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Has just have just been revealed.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Yes, well, it's one thing to have a witness testimony, right,
but it's an entirely different situation when you have video evidence.
As we just saw with the Cassie and Diddy situation.
Prosecutors and investigators rated tell Alexander's Manhattan apartment and they
found a hard drive filled with pictures and videos. They're
saying in these videos, of course, there's the quote unquote
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Orgys or the sessions where alleged rape is happening. They're
saying that women can be seen highly intoxicated on alcohol
or maybe even drug. They're saying they're seeing in these
videos where the brothers are physically manipulting these women's bodies
to have sex with them, and most of the time
they're seeing these women do not know they're being recorded.
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There's this one incident that they explain that a woman
and a man are having sex in a stall and
another person is recording over the stall with a camera,
and when the woman sees it, she protests, she says no.
So it's going to be pretty difficult for whatever reason
they kept these videos, or they have these videos, It's
going to be difficult to defend this in court.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Christina, you stated that one of the videos was taken
over a stall.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
What yep, So a man and a woman were having sex.
It did in detail if that was forced rape. It
didn't detail what that was exactly. But there is a
third person who is holding a video camera up over
the bathroom stall where the woman and man are inside
of that stall having sex. And the woman sees the camera.
She tells them to stop, and they don't stop. And
that's what prosecutors are saying. They're not listening to these women.
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They're manipulating their bodies, and they won't stop when the
women are asking them to stop.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Trophies trophies. Tanima Ramani is joining US former federal prosecutor,
president of West Coast Trial Warriors, author of Harvard to
hashtags Nima trophies.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Have been the undoing of so many criminals.
Speaker 9 (28:12):
Explain, Oh, it's great evidence if you're a prosecutor, because
people can lie. Criminal defendants lie all the time, even
witnesses and victims can sometimes lie. But video doesn't lie.
And when you have video of these sex acts, that
is the best evidence when you're a prosecutor, because really
there's only two defenses in any sex trafficking case. Either
the sexual activity didn't happen or it was consensual. That's it.
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And once you have that video, it certainly takes away
the first defense, and then when women are being drugged,
takes away the second as well. And there's really two
reasons why people record these sex acts. The first is
their own deviant sexual pleasure, and I think that's probably
why Diddy was recording his freak offs. But there's the
second reason, and that is to have control over the
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victimsotentially blackmailed them and say, hey, if you come after me,
I'm going to leak these.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Videos Christina and Jayo.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Isn't it true that these videos were pulled off of
a hard drive that was found hidden in a closet
during a federal search, Yes.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
In Tall Alexander's Manhattan apartment, so they were really searching.
They had the warrant to go through everything, and he
kept them. He kept them on a hard drive. And
it's not just videos, it's pictures as well. And it
goes to show that just like he said, men light
women light, witnesses lie perhaps, but the video is not
going to lie and this is pretty tough evidence. However,
the defense is already saying this doesn't prove anything. This
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doesn't prove a commercial act. This doesn't prove that they
were drugged. It may prove that they're intoxicated. But he's saying, oh,
these are just big orgies. Everybody was willing and there
is nothing going on here, So next story, please, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
It reminds me.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
In the last few days, Shawn Comes aka Diddi's defense
team has stated they want the free coll videos to
be made public because it quote proves his innocence. Okay, sure,
you know another thing. If it's so innocent, why was
it hidden in a closet? But thinking about the videos
the trophies pulled from a hard drive in the real
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estate bro's closet, it reminds me of a certain raid
that went down on San Combs's mansion. In that case,
as well, Bill Daily, former FBI trophies quote trophies were
obtained during that raid. Bill Daily video equipment was reportedly
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discovered along with over one thousand bottles of lubricant Baby oil.
Trophies have been the bane of many criminals existence why trophies.
Speaker 12 (30:46):
You know, and as if you go to other kind
of repeat offenders, repeat criminals such as Dennis Raider, the
bund torture kill fiend. You know, they keep pieces of
clothing to keep some something to remind them something.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Who's going to get them excited, Something's going.
Speaker 12 (31:03):
To you know, make them remember how how wonderful it
was that they controlled this person, that they did what
they did.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
And so for all these things, it's some.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Way are you putting perfume on the pig daily, that's
not like you the souvenirs, the trophies quote get them excited.
You may give them an direction.
Speaker 12 (31:21):
Well, you know that as well as sharing among other
people being able to. In some cases they like to
share it because they've they've had this experience of other people.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
They keep it.
Speaker 12 (31:30):
They look at themselves, you know, maybe other people. They
let them see that. That all kind of gives them
a sense of control. It goes back to that essence
of controlling individuals, controlling their environment, doing what they want
to do, using that leverage over people.
Speaker 10 (31:44):
You know. In this case, Nancy, in a very interesting
point it came up, which.
Speaker 12 (31:47):
Is simply we've seen in other cases is that as
the FBI was investigating this, reports are coming out that
multiple victims have the same stories. Again, people who've been
not connected, not there at the same place, same time,
but have the same to tell.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
All of that is extreming.
Speaker 12 (32:02):
And as part of what I believe the FBI is
and the US the Attorney's officers making their case out of,
is that they have statements.
Speaker 10 (32:09):
And I would encourage people.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
You know, I'm very curious, Bill Daily. I think this
goes beyond.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Your or my kin colloquial for understanding. Joining me psychologist
Karen Stark. Everything Bill Daily said is correct, But what
is the reason, the mental or the psychological reason that
people like Dennis Raider or in this case, the real
estate bros also called the rape bros.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
But those are just accusations. Why keep all these videos
they're damning.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
It's a wonderful way for them to relive the crime.
Nancy and whatever got them off when they were doing it,
whatever got them excited and gave them erections and orgasms.
They can do that all over again repeatedly because they
have these trophies.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's great if it's.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
A video, but it can be an airing, It could
be a necklace. It could be a piece of clothing.
It doesn't matter. They wind up reliving the excitement that
they felt at the time and how much they controlled
the situation.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
For years.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
The Alexander brothers, sometimes with others, also arranged domestic and
international trips to carry out their sex trafficking scheme. To
recruit and induce women to come on the trips, they
provided material benefits, things like travel to vacation destinations, luxury accommodations,
and access to other high end experiences.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Are the claims true? Should I believe the real estate Bros?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Or should I believe all of the women now coming forward,
some of them named in federal indictments, others filing civil suits.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
What's very hard.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
For many people to understand, including myself, is how the
real estate bros. Acted, how they faked a happy home life.
Speaker 13 (34:06):
Listen, the Alexander brothers are all married now. A Lawn
married Shaney Zigrin, with whom he has two children, in
May of twenty twenty, or In married model Camilla Hanson
in April twenty twenty three, and Tall married Ariel CogAT
in October of twenty twenty three. Or In pleaded with
a judge to let him out as his wife was
pregnant and do any day. His request was denied.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
That's something the baby can say as it grows up.
Dad was in jail on rape charges when I was born.
This whole facade of a happy family again, it's diddy
Rediu listen, be happy.
Speaker 10 (34:47):
I love you. Two of you get hit on the
phone time.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
To veterman.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Try a lawyer of former felony prosecutor Ramani Nima. It
would not be the first time a so called family
man was ultimately convicted of repeat offenses. I mean, there's
Dennis Raider that Bill Dealey brought up earlier, who would
sex assault and kill so many women and including young
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girls on his dog catching route the whole time. He
had a family at home, and he was a deacon
in the church. Then you've got Gaysey John Wayne Gacy,
who would go to children's birthday parties to entertain the
children dressed as a clown.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I don't know how many.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Boys' bodies were pulled out of his crawl space. Then
you got Ted Bundy, who seemingly was a successful law
school student.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
He's a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
He goes on and on and do I have to
say rex Huerman, the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room,
the architect by day, serial killer by night, with a
wife and two.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Children, Nancy and Human.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
His wife actually saw some of these sex acts, at
least allegedly, So this question of what she knew, well,
this is criminal defense.
Speaker 10 (36:08):
Lawyering one oh one.
Speaker 9 (36:09):
They want to show the jurors that the defendant has
family support. That's why you see Ditty's family at every
single appearance. That's why I fully expect the Alexander brothers
to have their parents, the wives who haven't filed divorce
to be at those court proceedings, because that's what jurors expect.
They want to see the family members supporting the folks
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who are accused and are on trap.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
And like Didty, the new Ditties have a.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Fantastical scheme of how they're going to stay out of
MDC Metropolitan Detention Center listen.
Speaker 13 (36:43):
In a crazy bid to keep their boys out of incarceration,
the parents of the Alexander brothers have offered to provide
private imprisonment. In a real proposal to authorities, Shlomo and
Early Alexander proposed confining the brothers to a two bedroom
apartment on the eighth floor of Miami building. Emphasize the
apartment is non waterfront and non luxury. They promised security
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guards would be stationed around the clock and an alarm
system would make sure the brothers remain on site. The
parents also offered to put up to one billion dollars
bail for their sons to get out of jail.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
In case you.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Didn't get that, it's one billion as in brother biz
in brother, not million billion. The parents offering to put
up one billion dollars cash to get their sons out
of jail. Maybe they were going to put in some
equity into that, but one billion dollars bail to get
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their sons out and having them imprisoned.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
In a Miami high rise, and.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
The suffering part was that they wouldn't get a beach
front view ouch.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That has to hurt. How dare you mommy and daddy?
Christina Yo.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
It's reminiscent of the last bid, well the last three
bids by Sean Combs to get out on bid where
he offered the judge a multimillion dollar bill package I
think it was twenty meal and he would stay in
a Manhattan town home with his own private security guards
to keep him from raping people.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Eerie echo, right, And that's the draw, right exactly. I
promised not to rape anybody during this time.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
I promised that I'm not going to have any orgies.
In fact, I won't even have any women over So
that in and of itself is a huge punishment. This
is the same thing that we're seeing with these brothers.
And quite frankly, I don't know how much the parents
can be trusted in this whole situation, because we talk
about pretending to have a perfect family. But I go
back to the sex bus that was sitting outside of
their forty million dollar home as the brothers were in
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high school, and people have said witness testimony, they are
saying that back in those days that women in the scene,
in the Miami scene because for some reason, high school
brothers were in the Miami scene. They were warned not
to drink any drinks that came from the brothers and
to stay away from the brothers.
Speaker 14 (39:05):
The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth and
positions to create and facilitate opportunities to rape and sexually
assault women. So far, more than forty women have come
forward accusing the three Alexander brothers of sexual misconducts, and
investigators are asking other women who believe they have been.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Assaulted to call.
Speaker 14 (39:24):
Attorneys for the brothers say they planned to plead not
guilty to the charges, which, if convicted, could lend all
three brothers in prison for life.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
As we are discussing these alleged acts, sex assault, rape, sodomies,
that's what we're saying. Reportedly date all the way back
to when the Real Estate Bros Were in high school.
Speaker 15 (39:45):
Listen as news of the arrests start to spread, stories
from the Alexander brothers high school years come to light.
Their history of sexual violence dates back decades to their
high school days in Miami, where they bragged about several
gang rapes. Prosecutors say each of the victims that the
government has interviewed from this period reported hearing that individuals involved,
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including Tal Alexander, talked about the assaults at school, boasting
about running train on their victims and saying they wanted
to do it again.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
You know, Lynn Shaw.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
As many raped and sodomy cases that I've investigated, I
have tried, have pled out.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
To jail time have covered. It's still it's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
It makes something and you want to die to hear
about them bragging about quote running train on the victims,
which means multiple rapists on one victim, saying they quote
wanted to do it again. It never ceases to be
heartbreaking that a victim would go through this.
Speaker 11 (40:55):
Well, we can't die, Nancy. We have to stand for
those that don't have a voice. I want us to
focus on two things here. I want us to focus on,
where was mama Alexander. We're talking about a sex bus
when these trio of triplets, dirty ditty triplets were right
part right in front of their their multimillion dollar mansion.
I'm telling you as a mother, I knew when my
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kids moved a throw.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Pillow on my couch.
Speaker 11 (41:19):
Where were the parents at this time and throughout all
of this? The second thing I want to and we
have to talk about that because people have to start
standing up. Where were these parents? They were the talk
of the town. We're hearing, you know, in the Miami,
Florida area, so we should focus on that. I also
want to focus on you're not going to see their
wives in court with them. Those women are taking their
kids and running for the hills. One is already filed
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for divorce. Okay, they're going to turn evidence on them.
They're beautiful young women, they have some young children, a
newborn baby. They're not sticking around for this. And the
third thing I want to get back to we're not
talking enough about is that oldest brother with his security firm.
There is video evidence. Where are all those videos going?
I guarantee, I hope we have a forensic accountant coming along.
(42:01):
That they have been uploaded not only to control their
victims and to scare them, they have been uploaded to
porn sites where these monsters make millions and millions of
dollars across the globe. And that's these are things we
should be looking at.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Of course, the parents aren't charged with anything.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
That said, let me give everyone the eight hundred line
one eight hundred two two five five three two four
repeat eight hundred two two five five three two four.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
We wait as just as sun falls. Goodbye friend,
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