Ep. 125: The Misadventures of Randy Wise

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.
I'm your host, Dirk Durham, and today I have my
oldest friend in the house. He's my oldest friend, he's
my best friend, and he's my brother in law. Welcome
to the show, Randy Wise.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
All right, thanks for having me, Dirk. It should be entertaining. Yeah,
I think I think it should. You're quite a character.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Now. Some people that have followed some of the films
I've been in over the years, hunting with different different folks.
I was on a hunt with Trent from Born and
Raised outdoors here a few years ago in Wyoming, and
Randy came along with his goats. He had these pack
goats and he joined the hunt and he was like
kind of filled in as a cameraman and he like

(01:00):
he said, He's like, I'm not a professional camera man,
and I'm just gonna say, Andy, we could all tell
by the shots you got.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, I appreciate you taking notice. And for the record,
I had no instruction or classes or even hey do
this when this happens. I was just left in the
dark and.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I did what I could with what I had. Oh,
I know absolutely, and we could tell t it's like,
hey man, you want to run a camera And you're like,
I don't know sure. Like he's like, you're like, what
do I do? And he's like, push the red button
and hold the camera towards us. That was the insurrection
and it turned out. But we had a We had
a pretty good hunt, killed a couple of bulls. We

(01:39):
used your goats to pack one bull out and cross
the river there in Wyoming.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
It was it was fun. And then the other bull
out in the river.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, we we I shot a bull and it
died in the river and we had to break that
thing down in the dark in.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
The river, pack it out.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
It's probably the cleanest piece of meat we've ever had.
But anyway, that's all water under the bridge. Today we're
going to talk about the misadventures of Randy Wise.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Being Randy.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
We've been buddy since seventh grade, so if you can imagine,
you know, we've had a lifetime of fun and goofy
adventures and hunting trips and just you know, Any's family too,
so there's all the whole family aspect of it. But
I kind of wanted to rewind to back in the
olden days, if you will, and me and Randy were

(02:31):
high school boys. I would say we were probably freshmen
sophomores in high school. Yeah, maybe. And we went hunting.
Excuse me, we went camping in the back country of Idaho.
We're way back, one hundred miles from from the closest town.
We're right off the Montana border in the Clearwater region

(02:52):
of Idaho. It some of the most beautiful country you've
ever seen. The deer were so tame that we would
literally take a leak, we would urinate on the ground,
and a mule deer would would come right up.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
They would come up and lick your your urinated dirt.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
They would come up and lick that dirt like immediately
they sing while you're there. Yeah, why we were standing there.
I have a picture of Randy standing there right after
he peed, and there's a deer licking the pee right
like one foot away from him. It's the craziest thing
I've I've ever seen. But that that was kind of
a cool trip. We were up there with my folks

(03:31):
and Randy and I were like, we're not gonna camp
at the truck with these old people, right, We're a
teenagers now. We we want adventure. We're gonna go backpack.
We're going to backpack into a cool place and and
set up a tent and have a good time. So
we we we backpacked down into this basin and it

(03:53):
was pretty easy going, and you know, it's kind of steep,
but no real trails. We get down we could see
this big flat sp It was a big, beautiful grassy flat.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It almost looked lake.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
It was a little lake. Yeah, and we're like, oh, yeah,
that looks like an awesome place to camp. So we
get down there and that that grass turned out to
be about waist high and full of mosquitoes.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Remember the mosquitoes. They were so bad, the mosquitoes. And
the brush was you know, looking down, you know, it
didn't look nothing like that. We get down in there. Yeah,
it's shoulder high. You can't see nothing anywhere.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, that's that's your that. This is Idaho. This is Idaho,
one on one, Like it always looks good at a distance,
but you get up close, you get into it, it's like, Okay,
that brush is over our head. The grass is wiste tall,
and it's a marsh and it's like full of mosquitoes.
So I'm like, oh god, we got to set up
this tent, you know, and we had a few hours
before it was going to be dark, but the mosquitoes

(04:50):
were so bad. We got to get this tent set
up and get in the tent. And I told him,
I said, okay, you go look for firewood. I'm going
to set this tent up. So I start setting ten
up and you wander off and you come back and
you have this worried look on your face, and you say,
he said, you got to see this, that's all you said.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
You have to see you have to see this. But
you got to rewind just a little bit back to
the lake. Okay. So there we are, like you know,
we're we're in the brush on the edge of the
lake and we walk up into the waters just a
little bit, if you remember, and we could see bear
tracks in the mud and they were squished out like

(05:33):
they're giant bear tracks. You remember that.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, basically grizzly bear tracks.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
In our minds, yeah, in our minds. And I believe
we're probably eighth graders. This is this is in our
first two years of our Yeah, it's unclear. I know,
we were young. We're pretty young, pretty young, and so
this is like Brandy getting his first adventure with the
Durham family, and that's how I remember it, you know.
And so here we are, like, like Dirk said, back

(06:01):
in the back country anyway, Yes, it's time to set
up camp. And we went miles from his parents and
we're kids, and there's this lake.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
We got cans of chili in, yeah, and like no
sleeping pads and like this shitty little like yeah, two
man pup tins.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, we got nothing. And I don't even think we
have a pistol. We have we had it. We did
have a flashlight between us and.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
It's probably was one of those survival knives.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah. And so we see this big pushed out bear
tracks in the mud that go into the water of
this little lake. And then we needed to hike up
this Razor back ridge. Remember that big ridge that we
were going up. And then we got into the brush
and the huckleberries and we're like, we need to set
up camp here. Yeah, you remember that. And it was

(06:49):
on the main trail. There's the only trail on this
Razor Back ridge.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Right, And I tell Randy, I said, you go get
firewood and stuff. I'm gonna start setting this tent up.
So I start setting the tin up. He comes back
and says, you got to see this. So I'm like, well,
what's up? So I walk over there to this huckleberry brush,
and huckleberry brush is about waist high, you know, and thick.
You can't hardly walk through it. And it's all broken

(07:12):
down like it looks like a bear. It tore up.
It's been just like wallowing and like tearing all this
brush up, eating huckleberries. He just tore out this spot
big enough. It looked like a couple of a bull
elk had been fighting there. There was so much stuff
torn up, and I'm like, and Randy doesn't say anything
other than you got to look at this. And I
go over there, I'm like, oh my god, we got

(07:33):
to move our tent right now. It's a grizzly bear
and he's been eating. We got to get out of here.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Right This was an unintended consequence of Randy Shenanigan's Yeah.
So the backstory is I want to take a leak,
and I seen all these huckleberries and I thought, wouldn't
it be fun to break all these up and put
the idea into Camp's head and that there's a big

(08:03):
bear and this is the only trail. So yes, there
comes over. He evaluates the situation and correctly evaluates that, Yeah,
there's something in here eating and rummaging and foraging, and
we should not camp.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
We're right on his trail.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
We should not camp here. Yeah, But what we didn't
know is where we were. And we'd never been there before.
And this trail had straight up this on the left side.
You remember, you could look off it would it would
be like a shoot in a snowmobiller's paradise, like an avalanche. Yeah,
it was just straight off the left side of the canyon,
and the right side kind of feathered out into the

(08:42):
brush and the and the aspens and whatnot. You know.
So we were on this only trail, Rocky And at
this point, my unintended consequence was the fear that I
instilled in camp.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Oh. I was scared that.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I am like, we gotta go. I run down.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I grab the tent, I throw that thing together, I
throw that tear it down, throw it in my pack
and my pack.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
We have these backpacks.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I think we got them at the Goodwill or somewhere.
These old aluminum frames.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, the luminium frame, the orange ones and the blue ones,
and they were garbage.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, and uh, you know, threw all of our nice
heavyweight stuff under our packs and like, we got to
get the hell out of here. And I start hiking
like a madman. We got to get the hell out
of this place.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
He wouldn't let up, and I was like more leisure
like it's fine, I know fine.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I'm just like, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
You going to get out of here? But now I'm
hooked into this prank I've pulled and they can't go
back on it, so I have to kind of live
what I've started.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
And he can't let me know. Yeah, he can't let
me know that he was him at this point. Yeah,
because I'd bought it, so hrd, Yeah, he bought it.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
He hooked line and zincer and we're in the darkness,
pitch black. There ain't a moon, I don't I don't
remember stars or nothing. It's one of them pitch black nights.
And we're in the the flashlight and hiking up a
single little game trail that's in the like the most

(10:08):
backcountry Idaho Montana orderline country you can find. Like it's
it's not a human There's there's nobody around, like like
it's just us, and there's no trail. Yeah there and
no like not like a horse trail. This is just
like a game trail. There's no GPS, there's no ONYX,
there's no nothing like. It's on us to find our

(10:30):
way up this like very remote country. And you know,
we we aren't worried about that, like for some reason,
our our internal GPS systems are working fine. We know
when you get up this ridge, we're in a camp
on the top of the ridge line. We're in a
white hike six seven miles to the left, whatever direction
that was at the time, and then eventually we'll hit

(10:51):
a road gets us back to your mom and pop. Yeah,
you know.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
So we we climb up this thing and finally find
a flat spot because it's steeper than the back your head.
We finally find a flat spot. It's like, okay, okay,
we're gonna sleep here, but I'm worried. I don't want
to I don't want to sleep in a tent because
I don't want to not be able to see a
bear come get us. Yea, So we just kind of
propped our our sleeping bags up against this old log
and we build a little fire and we drift off

(11:18):
into sleep somehow.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
It was very like I was that kind of like
lucid sleep, you know, kind of like halfway in, halfway out,
and I'm laying there and I can hear a noise
coming down the trail. It's like I hear something coming
down the trail and I hear like clippity clop of
like hoof beats and like like like a little bell tinkering,

(11:42):
and it's like an old miner with some mules going
by us in the middle of the night. And the
next day I'm like, Grandy, what's up. Did you see
that that old miner and stuff? He's like, what are
you talking about?

Speaker 2 (11:56):
And I don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
You know how it is when you're half half lucid,
if you're you're in and out of sleep. I'm pretty
sure I dreamt it.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
We honestly were scared to death, both.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Of us, but we didn't get eaten by this make
believe grizzly bear. Yeah, even though that was kind of
a weird dream to have about the old minor forty
nine er coming down the hill, you never seen.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
That, no, But what I did see was we nested
up against this log. It was full of red ants.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, those things woke up and the things were all
over us, eating us alive.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Our sleeping bags, they were all over us. We had
wounds everywhere. Anyway, it was a miserable night, a sleepless night,
you could say. Yeah. Next morning we're up and at him.
We're first light.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
We get up. We're like, okay, we're getting the heck
out of here. We hike back to my folks and like,
I think we'll stay in camp these next day night.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
And Randy being on the prank, you know here, I'm like,
now I'm kind of feeling like so Dirk immediately gets back.
He tells his folk about the grizzly bears and the pond,
the water and the trail and the huckleberries tore up.
And now all of a sudden, my prank turned into
I'm a liar, you know, and I don't want anybody

(13:09):
to know. So I'm like, he just kept it to himself. Yeah,
I just kevied to myself. I thought it was kind
of funny. It blew out of proportion, and so I'm
living with this thing inside me.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
How many years did you keep that? It was years,
It was years, and it was years and finally adults
I think finally told me.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah. I'm like, you know, you know, remember that time,
you know, and we're laughing and you know, having a
beer or whatever. I'm like, yeah, I tore up all
those huckleberries.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Like what.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
I felt ashamed, but you know it was a fun
joke at the time, but it kind of just got
away from me.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, you know, that kind of happens in life. Yeah,
even though I feel like in high school you did
some of those little pranks too. I think you're like, hey,
you see that guy out there. He wants to kick yours.
I'm like, why, I never said a thing about it,
but we've always been good, Like he don't like me,
that he hates you, he wants to beat you up.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Remember that I may be guilty of some things like that,
and I may I may be guilty of having girls
write you love letters too.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, well yeah, there was some of those.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Like I'm like, man, somebody's writing me a love letter?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Who is?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
And You're like, huh wow, yeah you should ye for whatever.
So you know, we're dumb kids. I was a dumb
kid especially.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
I don't know. I feel like that sets the tone
of who Randy Wise is. He's kind of a joker,
kind of a prankster, pretty funny. Uh loves to try
to like get a reaction out of people, you know,
will say and do things to try to get a
funny reaction for fun.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, it's all it's all for good intent, right and
and yeah, hasn't always played out in my favor, but
you know what, I can see myself in that. And
then when somebody tells me something two years later, you
know that they did to me, I think maybe it's

(15:17):
a joke. But that's not always true too, which I
think we're gonna talk about later in this podcast.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Right right, we'll get we'll get to that. We'll get
to that. So I wanted to kind of set the
tone with that little story, and I wanted to kind
of shortly thereafter Randy and I decide we're gonna be
bow hunters. We wanted to bowhunt. I got that got
the bug the year before we started bowhunting, and Randy's like,
oh man, I want to bowhunt too. So we worked

(15:43):
really hard. We we you know, we didn't. We weren't
just handed a bunch of money as kids, you know,
back then, you know, we we just had to work
and make our money and earn our way, which was
good because you know, I feel like we hate Yeah,
we worked. We worked in the hayfield. We worked, We
worked at dairies. We did hard labor, laborious work putting

(16:05):
up hay all summer, saving that money. And I bought
my first bow and all the gear. Randy bought his
first bow and all the gear, and we bought elk calls.
We're like, all right, we're gonna learn how to use these.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
And that was the summer between eighth and ninth grade.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
No, it was freshman year and sophomore year we bought
this stuff. So so the summer between then is so
we were fifteen. Okay, you're a year older than me,
so you must have been sixteen. But anyhow, we get
this these calls, and we played with them and practiced them,
and we kind of liked I think we both liked

(16:43):
the same diaphragm. But then you had an external call.
It was like one of those elk O E l
k ink talk. It looked like two plastic almost like
two plastic credit cards that were kind of melted and
bent and had a rubber band in between them, and
you could kind of blow on it, make it a
little Wasn't.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
That a cow talk was a cow talker? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, but you had one of those, and you're like,
you were pretty like like that calls. Yeah, You're like,
I spent twelve dollars for this, Why I'm want to
use it. I'm gonna call some milk in with that.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
That was three hours of labor.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
So fast forward. We practiced with their calls, We practiced
with their bows all summer. We got really good shooting bows,
got really good with our calls for for what we were
I feel like we were both really naturally gifted it
and picking up on calls and using them. And we
get to opening day and our first spot we wanted
to go to opening day, well, it rained the night

(17:36):
before and it was just really brushy and thick, and
we're like, oh man, we're gonna be soaking wet if
we go this way. So let's go up to this
other spot. So this farmer said, hey, you guys can
hunt our place. So we get up and park by
his house and walk over the hill and there's there's
elk in the fields.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
He's got these wheat fields that hadn't been harvested.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yet yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
They were right there. We're like, wow, this is awesome.
And the bowl was like bugling on his own and
running around chasing cows.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I was like, wow, how is this the one? How
you're thinking about.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
How great is this? Well? Yeah, and I'm like I'm
like I look down. I'm like, Ranny, I forgot my
bugle tube. Oh yeah, And you're like, oh, I forgot
my diaphragm. I'm like, that's okay. I said, give me
your bugle tube. I'll call I'll call for you. And

(18:29):
you're like, no, no, no, no, no no no no
no no no, you'll you'll call it into yourself. Well,
we give give me. He's like, I've got this elk
talk thing.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah. Well, there's a lot at that time, Dirk, we
didn't understand about even calling out right, Like, we didn't
know a lot about calling out.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
No, he never called it out ever before. This was
the first time in history of our history.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, we didn't know. There's a lot we didn't know.
And we both wanted to we both wanted to be successful.
And the whole forgetting the tube having reads and a
cow talk on my end, it was very I don't

(19:18):
even know it was a very pivotal moment. I feel
like in our hunting relationship as early day hunting, you know,
because we both wanted to do our own thing, but
we didn't have a concept of working together necessarily. Right.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
I wanted to do this, You wanted to do that. Right,
We had our own mind on what should be done
to kill these elk.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
In Yeah, we had differences. We all had our own opinions,
and neither one of us knew what was right. But
what we did know is we worked for the stuff
we had and what we brought for that day, and
we wanted to work that into the equation to each
of our favors. And so there we were, yeah, yeah,

(20:05):
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
So I start cal calling and I start bugling into
my hand, like amusing my hand as like a tube
with a glove on it. And it sounded it probably
sounded like a hog squealing. Honestly, it sounded terrible. And
then you you had your elk talk jabbed into the
end of that tube and you were blowing on that thing,
and it sounded just as terrible. It's sounded like somebody

(20:27):
was killing a chihuahua or something.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
It was horrible, but just the same back in the
eighties you could whistle and elk.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
These elk were unpressured.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
It wasn't that it was some exclusive ranch or something
that nobody else got to hunt. Just nobody really bow
hunted that area back then. It was just as everybody
else went to the back country.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
It was amazing time. We were in the.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Front country, uh close to close to home, and you know,
nobody really messed with these elk, just because people thought
we got to go to the mountains. So we start
calling to these elk, and the bull starts bugling his
head off and running around and chasing these cows around,
and Randy kind of angles his way up and he
gets to the edge of that field. Before me, I'm
kind of stuck in this pin down in this like

(21:12):
open spot down the bottom of this draw. But he
kind of took a different line and had a more cover,
and he got to the edge of that field, and
that bowl had kind of walked off and pushed his
cows off away, you know, probably a couple hundred yards,
and all of a sudden, I see Randy and he
bends over and he puts he kind of hunches over

(21:33):
and he puts his bow over his head. He goes,
he goes, does this weird trot thing across the field
with the bow over his hand and head or his head,
like it's an elk you're emulating. That looked like an elk.
And this this wheat was tall. It was like probably
waste hime. And you go bouncing across this field and
then just you know, you get out there like one

(21:54):
hundred and fifty yards and just disappear into the wheat.
And I'm like, that's never going to work. And I
look over and that bull had stopped and seen you
and just made a bee line, just ran right charged me.
He charged in, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I'm like, and he just stops.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I'm like, and I see the bull kind of fidget around.
I'm like, and then he kind of did it again.
I'm like, what is going on? And then pretty soon
he turned around and trotted back to his cows, round
him up and took off, And I'm like, what the
heck happened?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Randy?

Speaker 1 (22:23):
What why did you shoot that thing?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah? So on my end of it, my perspective was
exactly that, except I remember a calf following the bowl
and there was a draw before the ridge eyes up

(22:48):
on top of a ridge in this so Idos has
rolling wheat fields. We're not Midwest flat Landers where we
have rolling ridges between out in our fields. Right. So
I'm up on the say, the high point of the ridge,
and so playing with the elk originally, and I'm down

(23:11):
in the timber on a fence line, calling Dirk calling
on his end the elk all run. There's let's call
it a twenty five head. Heard a couple of bulls
a little five point which is the herd bowl, and
they're one hundred and fifty yards from me, down on

(23:32):
Dirk's end of the field, and me and Dirk went
separate ways, and I end up belly crawling and fight
my way through this terrible brush that we deal with
all the time where we're from. And I get on
the fence line and as I break through this brush,
I'm I'm cow calling and bugling as best I can
with these kind of half assed calls that I got

(23:55):
on my arsenal. And the bowl would work from Dirk's
end of this hundred and fifty fie yard field down
to my end. And I remember that bowl coming probably
fifteen yards from me, but I can't even lift my bowl,
let alone draw back. I'm like in dead broken brush.

(24:15):
You know, it's it's terrible brush in there, Like I
can barely get through it. Dirk Bugle's bowl runs down
one hundred fifty yards where the elk are the herd,
and I get out cross the fence line, and I think,
all right, the herd spook does not coming my way again,
and I need to cross this wheat field and work

(24:37):
my way over to the south east corner of the field.
Get back into the timber. Yeah, get back into the timber.
And I do know the country. We've been there, you know,
we know that we know the area. There's there's a
power line road through there, or power line that cuts
through the timber where the power line utility is cut

(24:57):
back for eazem and whatnot. So my thoughts are I
need to cross his open wheatfield and get to that
power line road, and Dirk's t goanna get a chance
to hunt and bogle and shoot this bowl. But when
they spook or whatever he shoots or whatever happens, they're
going to have to go out that ind because I've

(25:18):
already basically ruined this end of the field. So that's
their only exit out that way. So I want to
kind of be in position to flank them. So yeah,
like Dirk said, I get out in the field. I
put my bow over my head because I have no cover,
and I'm cow calling and I'm hunkering down like I'm
some kind of elk. And that bowl sees me, and

(25:41):
he charges me, and there's a calf that follows me,
or follows him, and I lose sight of the bowl,
but I can still see the calf, and the calf stops,
and I have no cover. I'm in a wheat field.
And then all of a sudden, I'm twenty yarder approximately

(26:04):
to this bowl for the first time in my life
as this teenage kid, to my first shot at an elk,
and I'm scared to death. I'm honestly, I'm scared to death.
My adrenaline is pumping, my heart's beating. You know, I've
already this thing's already came in on me. And he

(26:24):
was a mad bull. Remember he was mad as hell. Yeah,
he was a Yeah, he was a mad bull.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
And well he's seen you, he's seen that other bull
over there. Yeah, and then he disappeared and then come
to kill you.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
And he come in and I was scared to death.
And I remember shooting that thing or shooting at that thing,
and I watched my arrow shoot underneath it's his brisket
like between it right right in that corner between his
front leg. You know. It just shot through the grass,
the wheat field, and he rolled and turned and ran off,

(26:57):
you know, and gosh what at a time the adrenaline
was pumping. I was obviously, you know, broken hearted. I
didn't get it, didn't kill him, you know, but he
ran off. Helped me out here. What happened next? Like

(27:17):
he so he ran off your direction and got the herd,
and I think they headed out that power line.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
I was trying to flank him from h Yeah. Yeah,
And it was over at that point. But the next day,
I mean every day this this this was a Saturday
or something, but but every day we'd go back out
there chasing things around him. And I think it was
a week later maybe we were back out there, and

(27:45):
we didn't like, we weren't in the teamwork. We were
like kind of every man for himself thing. We hadn't
figured out teamwork, like we I want to do it
like this, and you're like, I want to do it
like that.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, and we're just like.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Okay, well cool, well I'm gonna do this. You're gonna
do it. We're gonna try to get these elk.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Both of us.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Are going to try our own little stories. But then
one day we split up and I drop you off
and you kind of went in that same area, and
my brother and I we drove around, way around and
come in from a different side. O.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I'll say, Randy, I think you might be the only
person I know that has shot every single arrow in
his quiver at an elk and not got an elk
at a different elk, at different helk in the same day,
in the same day, right, and not and not got one.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, we're talking about the heydays of the eighties when
when you could whistle or bugle or whatever, like, they
had had zero hunting pressure on archery or calling in
where we lived, and it was so easy to call
an elk. But in my defense, I would get so

(28:56):
wound up my heart would pump a thousand miles an hour,
my adrenaline with a pump a thousand my hour. I
had one of them powermag bows. It was one hundred
and ten pounds of pull back because I thought that's
what you needed, and that's what they sold me. And
you know, like so like one hundred and ten pound bow?
Was it one hundred and ten bout? What was it? Yeah? Yeah?

(29:18):
And it was no, this is no exaggeration, like it
was ridiculous. You know.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know, you got guys shooting eighty pound bows today
and most people shoot about seventy and you got Camaines
pulling on a hundred pound bow. But this is no bullshit.
Randy had one hundred and ten pound bow. And I
remember you told me the story when you went into
the bow shop and to buy a bow and there
was a bow landing there and the guy said, hey,
don't even attempt to draw that. And he's like, I've
only seen one other person draw it and you and

(29:42):
you picked it up and pulled it back like twice,
like it.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Was nothing like fifteen years old.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, and he's like, what the hell right, and you
put there like, well, I want one of those things.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, Like that's at that time, you know, pounded equal
speed right and performance right, and so the if you
could man up and get a certain pound bow, you're
automatically at an advantage.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, and an overdraw you gotta have an overdraw. Yeah,
I had to have an overdrawn your bow that way,
you're just shooting the lightning fast.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Oh my goodness. You know. Yeah at that time, you know,
I had what I thought was the catsw oh, yeah
it was.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
I was jealous. Was all I had was an eighty
pound bowl with bow with sixty five percent let off.
And I was a little jealous.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
And I can't remember really any of my friends be
all to pull out. I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I couldn't pull it, yeah, and it made me so
pissed off. I was just like, I'm like, give me
that thing, and I would try to pull it like
this is this is bullshit, Like how how can you
pull this bow? Like it's you know, not to brag
up Randy, but he kind of had superhuman strength. He's
got this superhuman grip and superhuman strength, and I've never

(30:53):
seen anything like it. Yeah, anyway, but anyway, back back
there to it.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
So I had this this this bow I had. You know,
we worked hard, like he said, and we anyway, I
didn't know why I couldn't hit a freaking elk Like
that same day he's talking about him and his brother
went this way, I went this way. I'm hunting solo
and I have these bults, Like I have a bull
come in twenty yards, I can't hit it. I missed

(31:19):
the one that I was pretending to be a both
with my bow upside down my head. He came at
twenty yards. I couldn't hit it, multiple times, time after
time through that course of art first few years, Like
I couldn't freaking hit one, and I don't. I didn't
know what was wrong, Like I honestly couldn't. I couldn't
pinpoint it. I was so frustrated. I was disheartened. I

(31:43):
was so far from hitting elk. I never even wounded one,
Like it was ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
What was the pivot? What was the pivoting point? Like,
when did you figure out what you were doing wrong?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Well, I was whitetail hunting, and I've been white tail
hunting on the ground. I had two we'll call them brothers,
white tail nice five byce coming in.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
We're in ten point to the eastern folks.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yes, yeah, And and it's cattle country on the verge
of a huge canyon, right it's it's this canyon is
known to everybody, all the locals. Is literally a hell
and so I'm hunting the top of that where it
comes out on top. It's kind of prairie land on top,
and there's a coupond there and we we hate derk

(32:35):
and I hate for everybody. We knew, all the farmers.
They let us have permission to hunt everybody. We had
special rights to some of this private land because of
all our effortin right.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
So yeah, this worked our butts off for these farmers.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Farmers. Yeah, they freaking loved us, you know that.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
One guy's like, if you want to shoot an milk,
you have to shoot two though, Like no, no, yeah, yeah,
He's like, no, no, you have to shoot two of them.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah. They they literally encourage us to thin the herd.
They wanted these elk off their property, so their food. Yeah.
The pivotal point for me killing something with my bow
was I was whitetail hating. I always enjoyed elk haning
in the morning because they were very active. They they
called a lot back in those days, but not so
much in the evening for my taste. And I honestly,

(33:22):
I didn't care to hunt elk in the evening as
much as I did whitetail because the white tail in
that country, there's some beautiful bucks, and I really wanted
to get one of these big bucks with my bow.
And I'd got busted a few times on the ground
where they came in out of this big canyon to
this cow pond, and so I decided to build a

(33:44):
tree stand, you know. So it was like noon, two
o'clock in the afternoon. It took me a couple hours,
and I built. I had a little Mechita screw gun,
and I built me a tree stand out of two
by fours and climbed up in it, and I had
a burl sack kind of blind around it to block

(34:05):
my motion. And so there sweat is hot. It was
very hot, you know. I remember the heat. And I
get up in that thing and it's like two o'clock
and I have to wait till like seven thirty. So,
you know, I got five hours roughly before the last
thirty minutes when actually White Hill come out, you know.

(34:28):
So I'm sitting there and two three hours later, here
comes a combined like it just happens to be. It
just happens to be, you know, time to harvest. And
so about every forty minutes this combine would go by
two or three times before dark set in. He had

(34:49):
come swathen by and wave at me and my tree stand.
I'm on them. I'm on the on the cattle side
of this fence line, and you know, I'm a high
with this guy and he's eat, He's gotten the eat,
and I'm like, are you freaking kidding me? You know?
And so as it. You know, we're in the last

(35:09):
half hour daylight and I'm glass and I can see
the deer coming out, but they're they're three hundred yards away,
you know. And I'm like this, this guy in the combine,
it's got everything fouled up where I'm at. They're not
coming into this cowpond and they're gonna come in out
down here, and I need to make a decision. Am
I going to go try and sneak this fence line

(35:31):
that has brushed on the bob wire and try and
get in a position to shoot one of these deer
because I'm literally deer hunting.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
But I have I have.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
An ELK tag, you know, so I'm gonna move in
on these deer. I take one look back down to
this canyon that's literally a hell hole, and there's a
hurd ELK thirty yards from me coming out of this
canyon on this trail to this cowpond, and the lead

(36:00):
out comes up and let's call my feet twelve to
fourteen feet off the ground, off this homemade tree stand thing,
and she comes in. She's at seven yards or less.
Like it's a down it's a downward shot for me.
Pretty steep angle, pretty steep angle, straight, you know, it's
pretty down right, And she knows something's up, like I

(36:24):
can tell. She's alert. She knows something's up. But I'm
not calling. I'm silent, you know, I'm I'm white tail hut.
And where we're at it's it's bowls or cows. And
I have this I have to reach over with my
burlac sac covering to get my bow over the top
of it to be able to shoot straight down at her.

(36:48):
And right before I pull the trigger, well, it's like
I always do. I don't know. Let me say I've
shot at fifteen olcause this time haven't hit one yet,
you know, it was ridiculous back in the those days.
And right before I squeeze on my release, I notice

(37:09):
I'm not looking through my peep site like I ain't
I see my pins right, you know, and my pins
on the elk, but my peep sites clear off to
the right side of my face. I don't even care
where that thing's.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Out, not even close, not even close.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
And it dawned on me at that time. That's why
I missed all those previous elk because of the excitement
of the moment. I mean, like, this is a cow,
like she's the lead cow, and my heart's beating a
thousand miles an hour, right, And because I've missed so
many now I'm frustrated. I'm angry with myself and all
this stuff's going on emotionally inside of me. And but

(37:48):
but probably because I had the screen of this camouflage
burlap sack and I'm in a tree stand that like,
I have a few extra seconds before I pull the trigger,
and I, for some reason I realized I'm not looking
through that peep site, so I pulled the peep site
in I'm like, oh man, that's where I've been going wrong.

(38:14):
And I shoot that cow, which you know, that's the
extended story. I did get the cow. It was great,
she dropped in her tracks.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
But yeah, dude, that's it's tough to hear that. Like, yea,
but some people go there like for even further, you know,
years and years, Like they don't diagnose their their issue.
They black out, they do whatever they're not. They just
get so caught up in excitement, excited in the moment
they forget their shot process. So that was cool that

(38:43):
you were able to finally catch yourself in that moment
and be like, oh, I see what I've been doing, right,
that's what I've been missing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
So unfortunately for me, you know, I I realize that,
but that's probably eight years after I started bow hunting
or some We're in there and Dirk been killing out
the whole time, you know, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Like just like, I'm like, what the hell's going on?
You know, and.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Dirk's just knocking tag after tag, you know, and I'm like,
what the hell's wrong with me?

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Anyway, you had a pretty good run with a with
a tree stand hunting. Yeah, like another time you shot
a spike bowl out of a tree stand by a pond.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, it's like.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
A lesson you wanted to you know, early season, hot
season places where you elk need not a lot of water,
but there's cow ponds or there's ponds around. It's a
great place to put a tree stand. You shot a
spike that had a broken skull. Yes, that was That
was always crazy. I always like to tell that story
to people when they're talking about weird stuff they found
in the woods.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, that was. That was inner and so as you said,
you know, so after that, I kind of got on
into the tree stand el cunning for a little while,
and I had a purple tree stand. I put on
the same pack frame we.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Talked screw screw two by four. Yeah, into the tree
with you, Pakita.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, I went all out and bought me one of
these portable tree stands. Job. It wasn't a self climber.
It was when you had to you know, screw in
peg deal.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I was.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I was a screwing pig tree stand guy. And so yeah,
I screw in, put my stand up and the same
pack frame we talked about about me pranking, prank, being
prankster down in the back country, you know, the same
same darn thing, same backpack. You know. It's like, I

(40:34):
leave my backpack at the bottom of my tree because
while I'm up in the tree, and I'm only fifteen
feet up because I'm over a pond, it's thirty seven
yards across the furthest point from from me. It's five
twenty in the afternoon. I remember it like yesterday. Bear
comes in on the same trail that I hiked in

(40:55):
and I could tell he sniffing my trail and he's
sniffing to me, and he sniff all the way to
the base of my tree and he rattles the buckles
and stuff on my little backpack. Oh really, yeah, and
it scared it. It startled him, and he pounced off,
you know, kind of reminded me of like a meal
deer the way he left out through the tall grass,

(41:17):
kind of bounced down there. And so he bounced on
out of there. And then I sat there for another
two hours. It was in the seven o'clock range now,
and I thought, man, so why I'm here is because
I seen twenty five head and some bulls here the
day before. Yeah, of elk. So I decided I'm going

(41:38):
to set up here and try and you know, I
know they're here. I know they come out just before dark,
and so I want to get things fired up just
a tad bit earlier because I'm hunting now. So I
decided to do some calling from this tree stand and
two two and a half hours after I've been in
this tree stand, I do some cow caols and bugle,

(42:01):
and I'm not kidding at all. Forty yards across from me,
a spike gets up out of the brush. He been
betted down there the whole time, the whole time I
climbed the tree, the whole time I set up my
tree stand.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
The bear, the whole deal.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
He been betted down with inside of me that I
couldn't see because he was betted down in the brush
and whatnot. He stands up and he circles over, and
this to me was the first time I ever passed
up And Ok, he's a spike bowl and I knew
there was a nice bowl there because I'd seen him
the night before, so I decided not to shoot him.

(42:37):
He's at thirty seven yards. He's bellied deep in this
cow pond, and he gets out of the pond. He
circles around. He literally gets in the same trail that
that bear walked in, and he followed that bear's trail
in my trail all the way up to the buckles.
He's seven feet below my heels in this tree stand.

(42:57):
Like I can see his fuzzy little elk corn, you know,
he hadn't rubbed his velvet is the first two days
of season, late August, and yeah, I passed him up
and then he turns, wrinkles my back, back turns and
he walks back and he circles back around and gets
bellied deep in the pond again. And he's at thirty

(43:18):
seventy yards. I him with my range fire. I'm like,
I'm shooting him. You had, you had your chance to
get away, and so I shoot him and my arrow goes,
you know, passed through, which I'm like, you know, I'm
super excited he passed through. And he runs forty yards
and piles up that. Yeah, he had he he had

(43:51):
spikes and his right side and his whole skull plate
between the spikes were broken, and he would I don't
think unimate through the winter honestly, because he had rott
in his head and brain like he had.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
He had seat down inside there inside the brain hole.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, something broke him. I don't know how is he
not dead? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
You know you see a ton of bulls with broken
pedicles and weird antler configurations and weird like like the
pedicle and the complete wrong spot on their head. But
I wonder do they reheal after all that and then
just like they make it.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I think this is a different deal though, because you know,
you're talking about clear out on a brown tying and
above to the whale tails or whatever something.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
But but they're they're like the pedicle right, it's like
in the wrong spot on their melon, right on their skull.
It's not in the right spot.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
His skull cap between his eyes were broken, like where
it stitched together. Yeah, how did that happen? I have
no idea. I always wonder that. I don't know. I mean,
maybe who knows.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
But there's there's the road in a highway close by,
you know, within a mile or two.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, yeah, it could have happened. The shootures in the
skull was broken. Didn't you say it had maggots? It hadn't.
He had an infection in maggots down inside of his
skull plate. And there's no way he would have lived
through the winter. So I got him, yeah, you know,
and he was good. Yeah. I got my wife's uncle,

(45:24):
uncle Fred, come come out and help help me pack
him out. You know, we got him. And anyway, that
was there was another you know, early time elk killing
for me. That I realized my pins and yards. That's
the first Elk I had ever effectively used the rangefinder on.

(45:44):
Oh yeah, you know what year that was two thousand,
ninety nine or two thousand. Yeah, it was pretty Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Remember you had your little shanty up there at that time,
in your little cabin. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I bought that ninety nine, so it was ninetey two thousand.
I think it was that first sure you had that place. Yeah,
so twenty five years ago. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
You know, spikes are in trouble sometimes. You know, people
are probably gonna scoff like I would never shoot a spike,
But man, I've shot I've shot a ton of spikes.
I know you have to. You know, sometimes you know
it it's well, most of the time it's not about
some majored out big rack that's gonna score x y Z.

(46:28):
It's just about like filling the freezer, bringing home an Elk.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Well, our priority is meeting the freezer. Yeah, And like
I said, that's the first that's the only time we
passed up a shot and I end up killing him anyway. Yeah,
But like for those twenty minutes until he got back
into where I killed him, I was like I shouldn't
have passed him.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I know there's we had enough time to reflect and
be like, yeah, I shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
We need we need to eat before we decide anything else. Yeah.
So that's really the heart and soul of what why
I all kind is I know you two is. Yeah,
we all want to kill big bulls. We all want
to have the trophy role. But if it you know,
if you're not fifteen miles in the back country, which

(47:17):
is a different conversation altogether, It'd be hard for me
to shoot a spike if I'm fifteen miles back in somewhere.
But typical weekend warrior hunting, if it's brown it down, it's.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Well, I always it's funny because people I've been there,
We've you and I've been there. We've all been there.
Like you get into some damn hell hole and you're like,
do not shoot anything except for a giant ball, Like
it's got to be like a three fifty bull or
we're not going to kill it in here. But I
feel like that's the wrong attitude. You should be like,
do not kill anything but a spike or a calf

(47:54):
because a spike or a calf is can be a
lot easier to get out. Then they're so good to
eat three fifty to be hard to pack out a
place like that. Yeah, and to your point, yeah, they're
so good to eat. I love spikes, they're so they're
so naive.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
I would take a spike over a cow.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Oh. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
And I've shot multiple cows, and I've learned a lot
with cow killing. And I have learned that if they
have a really black mane versus a lighter ten mane,
the darker black mans are so much tender. There's so
much a young cow. It's a younger cow. Yeah. And
I've learned that because I also hunt Washington and I

(48:32):
get cow tags right. And you know, I've shot say,
we'll call it ten year, ten out of ten years, right,
elk of cows.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
You've experimented, Yeah, And I've shot.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
You know, the the ones that I believe were lead
cows versus the other cows. And if you can shoot
a cow that has a really dark mane, from my experience,
that will be the best to one on the table. Okay.
I have a really dark Maine, dark Maine, Okay. So

(49:06):
as they get older, they fade, the sun beats them down,
they get bleached out a little bit, and that's I'll
take that to the bank. And I believe that firmly
because I feel like I've proved that to myself. So
you guys all do what you want to do. But
if you got a cow tag, shoot the dark main one.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, if you want good food. I shot a cow
in Oregon. I had a sled Springs tag in Oregon
when I lived in Oregon for I lived there for
like five years or so. Back in my former life,
I like to call it. Back in my former career
when I worked slinging tires of lesh one. Oh yeah,
and I put in, I drew. I had some points.

(49:45):
I drew sled Springs back when it was easy to
draw as a resident. And one of the local ranchers said, hey, man,
you can come out. He's like, he's the one that
encouraged me. He's like, hey, you need to draw this
tag and you can come out. We got tons out.
Like I'm like, and I don't want to really not
into it. He's like, no, put in for the tag
gets tag. You can come out, you can hunt here,

(50:07):
you can stay here, you know, just like beyond beyond,
you know, generous with its. Yeah, I'm like okay. So
I'm like, hey, whatever, okay, I guess I'll put in
for it. And the guys at work are like, yeah,
you needed to put in. That's that's a really good
There's a ton of elk that that's the one that's
the people would kill to go there.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
It's like a ten thousand acre place.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
So I draw this tag. I go out there and
I hunt opening weekend and I seen that. I mean
there's elk everywhere, hundreds. It would be a herd of
four hundred elk. I'm like, oh my god, there's too
many elk. But they weren't really bugling too much. But
so I have a week off and later on I
go and I chase these elk around, and I there

(50:49):
were so many bowls and so many elk. Like when
I would bugle, you might as well take your bugle
too and throw it away. They didn't give a shit,
like it meant nothing to the elk. There there was
fourteen bulls bugling at all times. There's there's just too much.
I was just one another voice. Nobody give a shit.
So I had to start, you know, spot stock, you know,
crawl in, you know, try to get a shot. Oh man, yeah,

(51:12):
open his Ponderosa Pine. And he had a team of
laborers there that would clear the land. He was the
landowner was like paranoid for fire danger, so he limbed
every tree to like six feet, took all the limbs off,
every tree to six feet, took all the limbs, put
them in piles, burned them.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Every winter.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Like this place, I could not find a freaking stick
to rub a tree with. Like it was literally there
was no sticks on the ground because the fire danger
they were worried about.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
So it's so open.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
So time after time after time, I see a big
bull and a big bull with a herd. You know,
there's multiple bulls, you know, probably fourteen, fifteen, twenty bulls
in this herd of four hundred cows. And you do
like you would crawl and creep and just like get
as close and you would. I would be like, okay,
I'm in within range, and then something stupid freaking cows.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
There's so many eyes it would pick me off.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
So I had a ten day hunt. I'd hunted out there.
I hunted my little heart out. I had some opportunities
on some smaller bulls, but man, I really wanted it.
I wanted a herd bowl. You know, I really wanted
and things weren't like giants. These were not like, you know,
three fifty type poles. These were like, you know, like
but the biggest boll I saw was probably like a
three twenty bowl.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
But I hunted all week.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
And just got my ass handed to me, you know.
On the last day, you know, and I and I
you know, some people probably turn their nose up to this.
But on the last day, I'm heading back. It just
had just gotten schooled again and I just pissed off.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I'm like, I'm out, I'm going home.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
And I'm driving back to the to the ranch house
to get my crap and load up my stuff and leave.
And there's these three cows lay next to the road
cow elk and I'm like, huh, I pull over. I
got a rattle in diesel truck. And it's like running
around around. Yeah, And I stop and look at him.
They don't pay me, no mine, So I get out
stand there my range finders zap them like fifty fifty

(53:06):
four yards. I'm like, they're not even looking at me.
So I'm like, huh, open up the back door, grab
my bow, walk over the side of the road, get
off the road because I shoot from the road. I
want to I want to be legal. So I get
to fifty yards of my zap again and they're still
looking out there. They're just kind of chewing. They could
not paying attention, like they don't care. And finally I'm like, man,

(53:30):
if that want, if they would stand up, I might
shoot that one. I might shoot that biggest one. So
I start like I start, I start making eat calls
with my mouth yea, And finally they they stand up.
In this one in the middle, I wanted to shoot.
She started get up, but she kind of like she
kind of like had a struggle. I kind of goot
up like like kind of hurt, like she's like this

(53:52):
old cow right. I have my bow drawn back, put
my fifty yard ten I shoot, and I see my arrow.
It's like it's all in slow motion. I see my
arrow go high. You see it higher than her back,
and then it just disappears. And I don't hear a noise.
I don't hear nothing. There's no reaction. She don't even
batter ear or she won't even blink. I'm just like,

(54:14):
how could I How did I miss? I'm like that
felt such like such a good release. So I grab
another row, put it on there, and I start, I'm like,
wait a minute, Like, if if I didn't hit it
on that shot, I have no business shooting again because
that was like the perfect shot.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah, and then so.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
I just know I stop. I'm like, okay, I'm not
going to shoot again. And I look and she kind
of like she starts looking around with her head like
something's something's wrong, Like she she's looking around like, hey,
what what's going on here? And all of a sudden,
her her knees get wobbly and she tips over dead
like this is like thirty like not even thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
She tips over feet in the air, dead Like I've
never seen an elk die with an arrow hit that
fast in my life. So I get over there and
it and it'd shot and it had passed through and
the arrow was like twenty yards on the other side
of her and the other elk, you know, the other
COWSI ran off.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
But anyway, we loaded this thing.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Up with a tractor. I mean, you know, I feel
even embarrassed even and metting this whole story, you know,
I mean, for all the all the folks out there
suffering and packing mean, I mean, you know, at least
every now and then you get an easy one, right,
and so skin this thing out. You know, the arrow
hadn't even hit a rib, right, it would just a miracle.
It just went through between two ribs on both sides,

(55:34):
in and out and anyway, just it was a perfect
capstone to that hunt. I got even with them, damn elky,
I got me a cow, like screwing me over a
whole week. I got me a cow. I got even.
But back to your point, I can't remember. I wish
I could. I didn't even get a picture, but I
don't know how old. I don't know what her main

(55:55):
looked like, but I will say like her ivories were
like worn off to nothing, Like they were tiny and black,
hardly nothing. And it was the toughest elk I've ever
een in my tires. Absolutely, it was like the worst.
I mean, it tasted fine, it wasn't gamy, yeah, but
it was tough, like backstraps. You had to like bring
a beef stroke or you had to make elks strogan
off out of them.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
They were just oh like trying to cows are deceiving,
you know, and me hunting. So I've been blessed to
have basically two cow kill permits in Washington State for
ten plus years, but probably fifteen years. I don't know.
I have to do some math on that. But so

(56:37):
me and my son Ryan have both literally killed elk
multiple years. And so it's taken away from my mountain
hunting of Idaho and bowl hunting, et cetera, because I'm
a mean like I said earlier, and we get these
it's fun. Yeah, we get these cow tags. But I've
absolutely in my own world, between I mean, his amount

(57:01):
of kills and my amount of kills, proven that if
you can kill a cow, which is cow only for
this situation, if you've proven that you've killed the darker,
blacker maned cows, they're so they're so good. We've we've

(57:22):
missed early on. We've shot some of the browner, tanner
colored mans. You can't chew them like you're talking about.
They're they're like an old bowl. They don't have that
rut flavor. But they're tough. They're tough. They're tough man.
They've been around for a long time, you know. And

(57:42):
I'm like, I a soon that I identified that, I'm like,
don't shoot that one. Shoot that one, you.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Know, burger meat and slow cracker, right, and I don't
like that. I love Backstride, I love Elksteak, I love
all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
But you know, anyway, tweet his own for you guys
out here listening to this in randy Land, which is
where I live, shoot the ones with the black Mans.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Write that down right right that down well, Now, in
randy Land, it's not always been blue skies, tweety birds,
lollipop all that, like, you know, it's not. It hasn't
been all this like great like like lucky opportunities and

(58:31):
like all this stuff. There has been some unlucky things happened.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I know too.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
We're gonna we're gonna start on one. Now, back to
your tree stand hunting. Yes, you were back trying to
kill a white tailed deer.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Oh yeah, on.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Out of a tree. And he had a he had
a hunting partner at the time, and yeah, tell us
about this, and this is a place you and I
had for years had seen big bucks. And yeah, I
was like, I'm a little jealous. I was like, bastard,
You're going in there and get kill one of.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Those big bucks. Yeah, all right, I know I know
what you're talking about and there I was, and I've
so I've targeted, like I said earlier, white tail in
the evening out of tree stands, I'll hunting in the morning,
white tail hunting in the evening. So I'd had a

(59:28):
tree stand set up where I'd seen some very like,
very beautiful bucks white tails, and I'm like, yes, I'm
gonna get one. So every time I sit in that stand,
I see they don't seem to come out where I'm at.
They're on this other ridge. And so I've decided I'll

(59:49):
put my buddy in this stand that I already had established,
and I'll pack frameman put up my own tree stand.
And so this country's super steep, like it's ridiculously steep.
So there's a big bowlpline Ponderosa Pine to the layperson. Yes,

(01:00:13):
And so the game trail is at the upper elevation
and this tree is below downhill of it, and so
and it's at a slight angle. This tree is leaning
because of the canyon country, et cetera. And so I
put in this screw in footpags, you know, to climb

(01:00:37):
up this tree. And I I get up there, and
I'm going to consider this part of this podcast the
safety talk for all you people who take for granted
safety or don't consider safety now right, I'm here to
tell you need to think about it. And and this

(01:01:03):
is a real situation. So I'm higher in this tree,
which the base of the tree you can't get your
hands around the base of it, like you can't get
your hands around half of it. It's a giant Pondurosa bulpine.

(01:01:23):
And it's real dry country. It's a dry hair. And
when you go up these huge trees, they are one
hundred plus feet tall, you need to go up a
certain I needed to go up a certain elevation to
get straight across from the game trail, like to have
literally a horizontal shot straight to the deer as it

(01:01:51):
comes through this trail. I'm thirty feet in the air
because this tree base is below the trail. Right. It's steep, Yeah,
it's steep country. Is like very steep country. And there's
no limbs on these trees. Tell thirty feet up. They're
huge trees. And well, so a buddy of mine, which

(01:02:14):
I had a tree stand set up, we'll call it
a one hundred yards away roughly. I had already had
a tree stand there and it was over a watering hole,
the only water you can find between there and the river,
which is eight hundred yards downhill. So I'm like, you
go here. I'm gonna go put up this portable tree

(01:02:36):
stand here, and between the two of us, one of
us is gonna get any giant white tail because there's
a beautiful bucks here. So I get up that I'm
I screwing my pigs. I climb up the tree and
I have some five fifty cord and I'm hoisting up
my portable tree stand from the ground and I'm straddling

(01:03:00):
a four inch limb, which is the first limb thirty
feet up from the ground on a sixty grade. Right,
It's it's like a cow's face, cow's face, and I
just I get my backpack that has this purple tree

(01:03:22):
stwn and I set it on the next limb to
my right, and I'm straddling this four inch limb, huge
limb like you'd never suspect, right, And I set this
up there, and I start taking these little bungee cords
off of this tree stand on the backpack to unhook

(01:03:42):
it so I can set up my trees down. And
I have all these little screw and pick that I
got up to this elevation and I'm literally if you
look to your left, it's level to where I need
to shoot this white tail that I think is going
to come out at right, and it's earlier in the evening.
So as soon as I start unbuckling these bunging cords

(01:04:04):
from my tree stand the one I'm on, which is
the first limb from the ground that I'm straddling, I
hear this big and it shears off at the bait
at the at the tree and I fall thirty feet.

(01:04:26):
But because of the angles and everything, I thank god,
I don't gut myself on my tree pegs.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Oh yeah, on the way, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
So I fall to the ground thirty feet. When I
hit the ground, I'm I'm fifteen feet from a property
line where there's some fence line. You know, where we're from,

(01:04:57):
there's a lot of different fence you know, there's a
private properties and whatnot, and I have permissions to hunt
there and et cetera. But there's a barb wire fence.
It's a foresharing barbire fence. And I pile up in
a pile of rocks literally like it's it's decomposed granite
stone that I land in, and my heel is facing

(01:05:23):
me like my leg is shattered. I can see my
boot prints. My whole entire boot is looking at me
from below, like not up, but down behind my kneecap
like it's literally piled up. My back is in extreme pain.

(01:05:43):
I'm I'm broken, like this is a safety situation here, right,
there's a life it's a life critical situation. So I'm
piled up. We do have two way radios between me
and my hunting partner, and you know, I know, I'm

(01:06:04):
I know without a doubt that my leg is entirely destroyed.
I don't know what the other extents of my injuries are.
And I get on this two way radio. I get
my pack off, this pack frame that fell with me,
with the tree stand that fell with me, and I
dig this stuff out. I get on this two way

(01:06:25):
radio and I called to him. I'm like, hey, I've fallen.
I need help. This is emergency, right, That's all I that,
you know. And in the meantime, I can feel my
boot swelling, my foot inside my boot swelling like like
it's it's bad, and and I I kind of army

(01:06:49):
crawl to this fence I know I need to elevate.
You know, I've been me medically trained. I was in
the military. I know that. Like it's almost it's kind
of weird, but it's almost like, I know my leg's
screwed up and I need to just elevate it, and
then I need to assess my other critical life components, right,

(01:07:12):
And so I get to a fence line and I
flip my leg up over the bottom rung of this
bob wire fence and I can just feel the bones
grinding and pouncing in there, and it just it's just
like a j off the backside. It just flops off
the back. My leg is destroyed, my ankle is destroyed,

(01:07:34):
and my back has severe pain. And so I'm I'm
in a bind, right and he's not answering right. So
the message I'm telling you guys right now is you
guys need to pick a hunting partner that you trust
and you can have accountability for and you know he's

(01:07:57):
got your back. Yeah, you know. And I hate to
say that, but my hunting partner did not have my back,
and you know he knows who he is. It it
it wasn't relevant at the time. So anyway, moving on,
I'm broken. It's two hours, three hours before dark. And

(01:08:22):
not only if my radio didn't work, I could holler
and he could hear me. We're not that far far. Yeah,
we're not that far apart. And but he's not responding,
no response, and I'm on my own, and so I
lay there. I get myself in position. I do leave
my boot on because I think from my military training

(01:08:44):
that apply pressure, and you know your boots are playing
my boot. My boot in itself is applying basically a splint.
Even though the heel was facing me, I balanced it
and it would flop back and forth over this bob
wire strand and I got it to where my body

(01:09:07):
is downhill of this bob wire fence and my my
head and chest is downhill and so everything's elevated. And
I know that's the best condition I have, and as
long as I don't have internal bleeding or external bleeding,
which I had no idea of, right because I literally
couldn't move. I like I moved enough to get myself

(01:09:28):
in that situation, but it was like it was like
I give up after that, right, you know, this is
this is as far as I can go. End My
back end up was broken in two places, and my
leg and ankle was shattered and destroyed. So I lay

(01:09:48):
there for two hours plus and I'm hollering. I'm on
my mic I'm trying to get support, and he's not come,
you know, And this is the guy we're like, we're
good friends and anyway, eight people amblent. He comes to

(01:10:09):
me after dark, surprised I'm alive. He's kind of chaotic,
and you know, not everybody deals with trauma the same.
He's he's out of sorts and he's gonna drive to town,
which is an hour and a half away. I'm like, no,
go to these people's houses. And I'm kind of you know,
I've had enough time to think, Yeah, you know, you

(01:10:31):
know what needs to be done. Yeah, you hiked it
this this house that's over here, and you use their phone,
you call for ambulance. So we get that going. He
does that, The ambulance comes. It takes eight people to
pack me out out of this countryside. It's nasty, right,
so I'm on a stretcher. I get packed out. We
go in there in cheat room. They is a small town,

(01:10:55):
Idaho hospital. They send me to a bigger hospital and
another town another fifty miles away. So anyway, we get
fixed up. Years go by. This kind of reminds me
of this prank I pulled on you. Yeah, right years
ago by, and you know, everything's good and we've been

(01:11:16):
friends this whole time. And then he tells me, he
confides in me that he heard me fall and when
he was in my stand that I set up for
him and put him on, he got queasy and you know,
kind of sicked himself. He thought I died immediately, and
then he heard me squalling like a well, he called

(01:11:38):
me like a little woman. You know, He's like, I
heard you crying like a little woman out there in
the woods. You know, like he's some tough guy, but
I'm the one out there in pain. Yeah. That he
left everything right, you know, And so anyway, we discontinue
our friendship after that. He left me there hoping that

(01:11:58):
I was dead by dark, and it was. It was
an hour after dark before you come to check on me.
And so lessons learned is you know, you guys that
that you hunt with and your brothers in the mountains,
and you guys need to really understand, you know, there's

(01:12:20):
there's hunting advantages where you trust each other for hunting
events and calling events and who's the shooter and all
this stuff, But there's actually a safety aspect that really
should be considered. Base you trust your life with this person. Yeah,
you know, you don't think about it because there's not
an injury. But these people that you're with, they need

(01:12:40):
you need to trust them with your life, and you
need to kind of vet them. I would say, I
feel like that you guys should talk about that before
you go hunting. How are you going to handle this
situation if this happens, what are you going to do?
You know, if you cut yourself or wound yourself or
cut an artery or you know, trip on a broadhead
goes through your your you're you know, whatever the situation is,

(01:13:05):
you guys that are out there hunting should discuss safety
protocols and how to respond to him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Absolutely, yes, And I think that's very overlooked.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Like we all will talk about like what your expectations
for hunting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
We always kind of talk about that, like oh I
want this, I want to do that, and who's going
to do this, who's gonna that, But we don't talk
about the whole safety aspect enough, Like, hey, man, if
something bad happens. This is, you know, our plan maybe whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
I would have never guessed in a million years that
this guy would have seized up because he got sick himself.
Yeah right. He seems like a pretty I know him.
I would have never thought that, yeah, you know, and
I don't I don't really, I literally don't hold it
him against him. But he wasn't there for me, right,

(01:13:57):
you know. And and because of that, you know, we
went separate ways, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Well, speaking about people having their your back, yeah, you've
also I've had Yeah, and now there's there's When I
started off, I said, this is the Misadventures of Randy,
So it's not just adventures, but there's been some misadventures too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
And then his next story.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
And we're we're over an hour right now, but thank
you all for listening, and I'm gonna I gotta get
this story out because it's one of my favorite Andy stories.
You were you were late season cow hunting. You had
some of your your buddies from work on your crew
hunting with you, and you get it. You shoot this

(01:14:43):
elk and what happens this is yeah again, yeah, I mean,
if it can happen to anybody, it's gonna happen, tory.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I think, yeah, And out of all this, I'm a survivor.
So there I was, like Dirk said, he you know,
he kind of told you we're we're at But I
did shoot an elk.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
You guys were had the boat into this place. You
got to guess use a boat to get to this
place to shoot this elk?

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Yes, yeah, we we We were on a lake, north Idaho.
It was in late November, hunt snow, sleet, kind of cold, misery, wet,
foggy environment, and I I saw hurdle. I had a tag,

(01:15:35):
the shot was good. I took it, It dropped and
we went after it. That's the summary. Since we're late
in this, so we hike hundreds of yards let's call
it five hundred yards up up the mountain. And they

(01:15:58):
had marked the tim and had brushed the lower brush
for a future clear cut for this winter. So this's November.
A lot of times in Idaho they timber fall in
in the winter months when there's you can't excuse me,
you can't haul logs because the roads aren't quite froze up,
et cetera. So things have been cut, Timber been cut,

(01:16:20):
timber been cut well the brush. The brush had been
cut to get to the timber. The logs hadn't been
dropped yet. So I shoot this cow. There's three others
with me. We boat it up into this canyon country
and we are hunting up way up in there, and

(01:16:44):
life is good, like success. I'm the only one with
the tag. It's a special draw thing. Blah blah blah.
Get my elk. It drops. We hike way up in there,
and honestly, we have to drag it down this huge
We have to drag it down this mountain and we
have to get it down to the boat, and we
have to load it on the boat, and then we
have to boat for miles down to the boat ramp

(01:17:07):
and we have to load it on the boat ramp,
and then we have to drive miles and miles take
it back to even the local town, which is still
an hour plus from the normal town that we live in,
right right, so we're way back in there. Well, well,
we get to the elk. We got the elk. That

(01:17:31):
ring's good and it's just snowing now. It's just coming down.
It's slick. It's I don't know what the grade is
on the hill, but it's plus steep. It's it's plus
foury degrees, you know, it's it's steep, and it's slippery,
and it's wet, and it's miserable. And I'm on the
downhill side of this elk, and we've all decided instead

(01:17:54):
it because it's just a downhill slippery drag, we'll just
drag it down, get it on this boat, and we'll
take it out hole. And so I'm on the downhill
of the elk, pulling on the rear leg and it's
just so cold and so slippery that I lose my
grip on it and I fall backwards downhill onto the ground.

(01:18:20):
So if you know, you guys need to need to
picture an angle pulling and falling downhill. It's it's it's
it's quite a drop. It's very awkward. Yeah, even though
you're not far from the ground, it's still a considerable fall. Yeah.
So I fall and I get up and something's not right.

(01:18:43):
I literally have an eight foch eight foot pine branch
hanging out of my butttalks somewhere. You've been impaled. I
was impaled. Yeah, I was impaled by something that was
brushed by loggers. And so they have an angled, sharp
inch and a half inch and a quarter you know

(01:19:05):
branch that that impaled me. And I didn't know how what.
I didn't know what the extremness of it was at
the time because it happened so fast. And I got
these three other guys who were trying to work this
out down and I immediately stand up from this fall
and I'm like, whoa, stop. Everybody's the top right and

(01:19:29):
I have this thing penetrating me. But we're so far back.
Like you know, they always say never like, never pull
out if you're impaled.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
That's what they say.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
That's what they say. That's what they say. But they
weren't in a place like this, and agree. I was
military trained, like I know that. You know, if you
get something stuck in your eye, put a DICKSI cup
over and secured. This is not the same. This is
an eight foot pine branch that is impaled me and
I don't and I don't know how deep it is.

(01:20:04):
I don't know if it's an inch. I don't know
how deep it is. I can't tell.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
It just hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
And I stopped the show. Stop dragging the elk. Everybody, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Something's wrong. I'm hurt. And I'm on my feet and
this thing is stick it out of the back of
me like a peacock tail, and I don't know what,
you know, my instincts are draw it out right, so

(01:20:30):
because to see how, I don't know if it tore
through my butt, cheek or my leg or whatever. I
really don't know. It's pitch black. We're by the time
this we're wailing into the evening gets dark at four
thirty five o'clock this time of year, and so I
grab the base of it where it's touching my flesh,
and I draw it out and it's like twelve thirteen inches.

(01:20:53):
It went inside me and it went between my ass
and my tail bone, which I didn't know at the time,
but it's up into my guts, and still I didn't
know what was going on. I call over one of
my my hunting buddies here and without humility, have to

(01:21:15):
drop my drawers and say, what's the injury? Yeah, what
what are we going? I don't see it. I don't
know what the heck's going on. I'm like, what's the injury?
And he's like, oh my god, Oh, we need to
get you to the hospital. Oh my you know you're
gonna die. That's that's his impression of what he sees.

(01:21:37):
You're good, yeah, and we're we're so far from civilization. Yeah,
it is not convenient, and it is steep as steep
as a cow's face. And they decide as a team
that to keep me from going to shock, they should

(01:22:00):
feed me alcohol. This is once you got back to
the boat. No, no, they had in their back back.
Oh yeah, they're they're already celebrating a big hunt, you know,
and we hadn't drink any yet, but they're ready, you know,
they're they're backwoods fellas, and they're they're ready to party.
You know, they're ready to celebrate. And so to keep

(01:22:20):
you from going to shock, they decided to give me alcohol, which,
to whoever's listening to this is, do not do this.
Do not drink alcohol if you've been injured in the
back country. This isn't a Western movie, right, yeah, this
ain't poor poor you know, pull the bullet out old
Colt forty five and dump the powder on you, and
you know, set it on fire to catterize.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
This is not what it is, right, So don't do this.
But this is what.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Randy agreed to. I don't blame them. This is the
nobody had, Nobody made me do it, nobody knew, right,
And so you know, we start drinking. They're gonna they're
gonna like keep me from going to shock by giving
me alcohol. So me and one other guy, and because
of the alcohol, my mind changes from survival mode to

(01:23:13):
when you get this elkout mode, like you know, which
is odd, it's weird. Yeah, this is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Now you got a potential like catastrophic injury. Yeah, and
but you're like, we gotta get this elkout.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Still, Guys, when you get this elk out, and it
just so happens the boat that I have borrowed, the
friend of mine who owned this boat was in Afghanistan.
He trusted me with the boat, right, So I didn't
have a boat to send the I couldn't go to
the hospital and let these guys go recover this elk
the next day. Right, That's how I thought of it.

(01:23:49):
And because I was, you know, unfortunately intoxicated at this point,
I'm like, hey, you bob, you're helping me out. These
other two guys are gonna continue to drag this helk out.
We're getting this helk out tonight and I won't accept
anything other. Yeah, right, this is what we're doing. Right,

(01:24:11):
So my butt's buckered, like I don't want to spill
a drop of blood. My butts bluckered. We get it out.
We go to the boat ramp, we load the boat,
We drive the town. We go to the local emergency room,
which just by coincidence, my wife is a nurse there.
And what the on call er doctor says to do,

(01:24:36):
she just happens to disagree with. Oh, which I give
my wife my life in this situation. She refused to
let them do what they wanted to do to me.
They wanted to sew up the wound. So if you
can imagine what happened is I had a plug of
five layers of clothing that was missing, like a muzzleloader

(01:24:57):
patch inside me. Oh yeah, thirteen inches. And so she
didn't know that. Nobody knew that. And when I got home,
I literally took a shower first, and I had her
inspect my wound because she's a nurse. Which that's a
lot of humility. Yeah, which remind everybody listening, is that's
below my tailbone, but above my butt, that that little

(01:25:22):
chunk of skin is where this inch and a quarter
branch went in thirteen inches right up into my guts.
And well that happened. I lost material from layers of clothing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
You know, not to mention pieces of branch, yes, and bark,
et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
So I go home. I tell my wife I'm hurt,
and I get in the shower and I'm rinsing things
and I got pine needles and I got blood and
I got everything going on, and I'm like, honey, I
think I got a problem. We go to the er.
The doctor says, oh my god, we need to sew
this up. She says, no way, this needs you need

(01:26:03):
to dig stuff out. Yeah, exactly. So we get ship quack. Yeah,
so she love her, Thank you mama. She opposes the
on call surgeon decision, and we get another ambulance who
drives me an hour plus to a larger hospital who

(01:26:27):
evaluates the situation and the next day does surgery. And
I'm in the hospital for over a week. Yeah. Yeah,
it was a bad deal.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
So but talk about got your back. Those guys they
got you out of it and that's what matters. And
they got you drunk. Now here's the here's the kicker
about the be the drinking like you couldn't have anesthesia

(01:26:58):
because of drinking the alcohol.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
My god, they wouldn't give me. I was so thirsty
in the emergency room. I wanted to water. They I
wanted to like they're giving me drops from a ring
drag just to give you know, they would not give
me nothing. So back to the being alcohol affected, they
will give you nothing. And maybe not even with alcohol,
they will give you nothing before surgery, which was the

(01:27:21):
next day.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
So, man, what an incredible story from from people who
failed you to people who had your back, to back
in the olden days when we had a lot of
fun and did some some crazy stuff. And these are
just some of the like some of our stories that

(01:27:42):
we've had in the in the in the Elk woods
and and in the in the years that we've known
each other. You know, we didn't even talk about the
time we found a dead guy. But I think that'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
For another time. That's a whole nother story. That's a
whole other story.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
And if we try to fit it in now, it's
not even gonna He's not just a dead guy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
He was a murderer.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
He was a murderer. But uh, we're gonna have We're
gonna we'll have that story again at a later time.
But uh, anyway, Randy, thanks so much again for coming
on here. It's people, Ranny is family. Not only not
only from being family from the marriage connection him his

(01:28:21):
wife and my wife are sisters. But I mean, we've
we've been together through thick and through thin. We've had
each other's backs, like since seventh grade. And I can
only hope that that the other folks out there have
had somebody, a good friend like Randy to to be
able to lean on and can fight in and and
and go through all their their highs and lows of life.

(01:28:43):
So appreciate you coming on here, Appreciate your friendship, and
I look forward to the next adventure.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
So yeah, it was fun. More adventures to come. They
never end right, especially with me, They never uh yeah anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
All right, Well, thanks for being on here, and we'll
catch everybody on the flip flop yep.

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