Episode 112: The ™ "Attempts"

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It helps to paint a picture and then we can

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see connections because that is my specialty. Honestly, I love
getting down to it and like comparing contrasting with what
it is that I know I've seen over the years,
and having been in this paranormal world for a very
long time, and to be the first person to ever

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discover name, define and yes, trademark to paranormal phenomenon, I
think I have been pretty efficient and helping to break
some of the stuff down that I run into. But yeah,
it's been a it's been an interesting time. I'm telling

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you that emails keep pouring in and you guys are
reaching out on social media like bonkers, which is awesome.
I love chatting with people, and you know, sometimes it
takes me a while to get back to people. I
do my best, um, but I really enjoy engaging and
trying to be of help the most to people when

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they when they need the help, because I I just
don't know, um what I personally would have done if
I didn't have my siblings and whatnot to bounce things
off from when odd things were going on. So you guys,
I'm here for you, and I'm trying to get others
to be there for you too. So I've got a
couple of groups online I want you to check out.

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to me. Of course, I still I'm I'm active in
there when I can be. And then also Paranormal Pledge.

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Paranormal Pledge what is that, Well, that's where I try
to get people to just speak on anything out of
the ordinary, just like, don't keep it to yourselves. This
is not the time for that. Okay, it's time to speak.
I saw ufo, I saw an angel, I had a
near death experience. It's for anything out of the ordinary.

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And yeah, you can talk about shadow people and stuff
there too, but everything is allowed, okay, um, so go
there and join me there too. We got some active
chats going on in there too, and it's a it's
never boring, no, I guess what, guys, guess what today is? Today?
Like every other show, it's my favorite show. This is

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where I have the outlandish corner? What is the outlantish corner? Well,
of course I'm answering your emails. I love talking to
my guests that I have on the program too, So
I don't want to say I don't enjoy that, but
I more enjoy answering the comments of questions and getting
through what it is that's going on out there, because
it's just I am always surprised, and I really like

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randomly grab at the emails that come in as well,
And uh, I just am always surprised, you know, when
things kind of link or they have some kind of
theme going so and I'll just grab from different dates,
sometimes years, because my email must have been monitored by something.
And I got like a dump of really old emails

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sent to me. I don't know how that happened, but hey,
I'm going through them. So yeah, I'm I'm seeing here.
Uh And I'll tell you one of these emails when
I copy pasted it and threw it into a document
just before I'm recording here, right and and I saw
a quick question and I addressed it, okay, So I

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don't want to make it seem like a cheat. It.
Every once in a while I'll get a glimpse and
I'm like, hold it, I can, oh, let me help
this person out real quick. So I do do that
at times, but usually I'm cold turkey, cold turkey right here. Um,
you know what I gotta tell you guys too, By
the way, follow me on the social media at one,

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Heidi hollis. Okay, so put a one in front of
my name for TikTok Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. All right there,
all right, there, there we go, all right, I got
it in. I don't know where I'm at. Okay, Okay,
I see a giant email, I'm a giant one. And
I got a couple of small ones. Now I'm going

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to hit the small one that I know what it's about.
This one says hello, Heidi Hollis. Well, that's very really formal. Um,
could you please tell me how I can buy your books?
I live outside the US in Ukraine because of the war.
I cannot buy your works. I saw that they are
sort of sold on the American platform Amazon. If I

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am not mistaken, but I do not know how to
buy anything there. Can you please help me if there
is such a possibility. And then there's like a really
difficult like artsy words that I think I'd have to
be an artistist be able to write it. It's really yeah,
but that's Ukrainian. Um, yeah, yes. And what I did

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is I actually responded quickly back to this person because
I was like, I don't think I've had anybody from
the Ukraine contact me before. So I'm like, well, how
do I do this? I mean, sometimes I get people
that will reach out and say, hey, Heidi, uh, you know,
I can't even hear your podcast? How do I do that? Well?
I just sit there and I google stuff to something

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works and and I'm like, you know what, just google
dark becomes light. With Heidi Hollis and see where it
plays because it's on so many different platforms. All right,
so I kind of do the same thing here. And
you know, a lot of countries have an Amazon and
um but I couldn't find it for Ukraine. But I

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did find something called Ukraine dash Express dot com and
this is where deliveries of things that are on American
Amazon will be sent to the Ukraine. And uh I
was like, well, that's pretty darn amazing. I love that
because you know, in a ward war to Orange country

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such as Ukraine right now, it's it's difficult to get
a lot of things going on over there. And uh
so yeah, So I hope that was helpful for you.
And that came from Andrew, So thank you Andrew for
reaching out. Um. You know, I've been on quite a
few television shows as of late, and unfortunately they don't

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allow you to name them. Mm hmm. There's some that
don't allow you to do that, so I can't name them.
But yes, if you thought you saw me on a
couple of shows just recently, you are correct. One I'm
on several episodes and and another I'm on a single episode.
So at the same time, so yeah, that's that's been fun.

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And I appreciate you guys that have been reaching out
wondering why I haven't spoke about it. It's because of that,
um yep, to to It's just just is what it is.
I don't know. Um, you think free advertisement, right, it
doesn't always happen with certain programs, but you know, what
can you do? Uh? So any who, let's let's continue here.

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I've got another short email, UM do do do do?
All right, so this one says, dear hiding, that's me.
I used to have regular encounters with shadow people that
would usually come by when I had sleep paralysis. I

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get irritated when I hear that word, those two words
sleep paralysis, because again, that wasn't a thing until oh gosh,
this heidy person has been out there speaking about it
to the world. I sure have. Uh. Then they're like, well,
we gotta explain this away. Oh, let's just say everything
is sleep paralysis, that little odd thing that was in

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the back of my medical book while I was in college.
That was like, you know, it just happened so rarely,
you know, now it's a big thing. All right. Anyways, Okay,
said to continue, Sometimes accompanied oh, I ain't going to
read that part I didn't expect. I'll leave that to
your imagination with sometimes accompanied by something uh, and would

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stand over me until I was able to move my
right arm away and cast them out in the name
of Christ. Okay, you guys, did you catch that? Okay,
I'm just gonna gonna skim over it again because I
was goofing. Um. So they used two regularly have encounters
with shadow people and that would come by during quote

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sleep paralysis and sometimes accompanied by a certain type of dream,
and would stand over this person until they were able
to move their right arm and cast it away in
the name of Jesus Christ. Amen, there we go. Um.
I lightened up heavily on religion since then and have

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had no encounters for fifteen years. Oh, okay, we're not
sink in. Huh. Do they no longer come by because
they don't see me as a threat where I am
not as religious anymore? Or do you think the fact

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that I kept casting them out and name of Christ
scared them away? Oh? Oh, you guys, raise your hand
if you knew what I'm gonna say, just raise your hand. Um.
This is this is a really nice set of questions here,
Todd Um, thank you for writing. UM. I think this

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is this is going to be slightly um involved and uh,
we're gonna we're gonna dig a little bit deeper on
this after the break because yeah, that that that's um,
that's something that I like to tap into under the
bit and um and I think it's an ongoing theme

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on different levels for people that listen to this program.
I think I think I think we all kind of
got this understanding, like why with something challenge one person
less or more for another and uh, oh it gets
it gets complicated, all right, you guys. Um, yeah, so
we're gonna we're gonna revisit this and dive deeper after

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the break and uh yeah, and I see a giant
email here that you guys probably gonna dig big use
I don't know what's in it, all right, you guys.
You are listening too Dark to Complate with me, Hey Hollis,
I Heart Radio Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to

(13:37):
Dark to Comes Light with me, Idy Hollis on the
I Heart Radio it Coast to covet AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Just before the break, Sorry to drag it out there.
I was like, man, if I dive in right now,
this is going to really get all that stuff. So
I kind of drunk it out. I admit it. I

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hate when people do that, but sorry, I did it.
I did it. Confession. Oh man, all right. So just
for the break, guys, we got an email here from
Todd and he used to be regularly attacked according to
this short but really endpth email. Um, it has a

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lot of a lot of heart for myself because I'm like,
I want to hit this. I want to hit it.
So I had a lot of like encounters, right and
then they're just like, you know, constantly casting it out
in the name of Jesus, go away, you know. And
then they kind of stopped with and they said religion.

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They stopped with it, like just kind of lightened the
load of it. And then the encounters with these shadow
people stopped after having it regularly for a long time,
and then no encounters for fifteen years. So they're just like, okay,
hold on, hold on, why did this happen? Like did

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they no longer come because this person isn't a threat
anymore because they're not religious. Or you know, do I
think and they're asking, do you think the fact that
I kept casting them out in the name of Christ
scared them away? Okay, so we could be reasonable, we
could say both, right, we could say that, we could

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say that. But the thing is that you noted here.
You did not say after this last time I cast
them out in the name of Jesus, like I think
that one was just special and so they stopped coming.
But you did this on the regular to make them
them go away, right, So it's it's not like this
is your regular, every day sprinkling of some Jesus on

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it um. So, but you know, and it's it's kind
of one of those things like, well, why wouldn't it
leave always when you just say it once? You know
Jesus name go. You know, there's a thing called protection
that you need to build up around yourself too, because yeah,
it'll leave when you say it. But it's it's it's interesting,

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you know, we don't know why it's there always, We
don't know why it's attached, we don't know why it's lingering.
We don't know, and so unless you kind of uh
bless the area and clear it out, it could keep coming. Back.
So it's it's important to keep keep that that wall
of protection up. But but you mentioned how you stepped

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away from your religious beliefs. I don't know why. I
don't know why. Sometimes people get angry with God. Okay,
A lot of us do. Okay, I put myself in there.
I mean, it's just I think it's a very human feeling.
It's kind of like, you know, you get angry that
you burned your tongue on something. It's like we all
get angry, right, are disappointed? Um you know, it's it's

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just it's very very human and apparently on the cross
and Jesus says, you know, Father, why you're forsaken me?
He felt abandoned, right, Um So even he was disappointed,
even he questioned and doubted a little bit. They're like,
hold on, you know what's going on here. That's my
understanding anyway. Um A lot of people might say no, no, never,

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I don't know. I mean, that's that's my understanding. Um
So I think that I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know why I stepped away from it. But
you stepped away, and you know a lot of people
did during some of the crises that was seen in
some of the churches, especially in the Catholic religion. A

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lot of people were really let down by those who
you know, looked down their nose at at them and
they were doing the worst. So um, you know, I
know people that were thrown out of the church because
they got a divorce, uh, you know, things like that.
So it's um, yeah, I mean I can imagine. It's like,

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hold it, my whole life was disrupted and they were
doing this. You know, Oh, I am not going to
believe in this religious stuff. Now there goes that keyword.
You put the word religion in here. Religion. Faith is
a different thing, Okay. Religion is that organized thing, right,

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It's like a matter of having to follow this belief system, right, um, traditions, rituals,
even um. You know. And so when I hear religion,
I think of this construct that makes me think of
how I had to sit still at church on these
hard wooden pews that hurt and it would make my

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my legs squeak because I had a dress on. Um.
So I mean it's that restricted space and it felt
so formal. So um, so you itightened up on that,
or did you lighten up on your faith or was
it both? I am leaning towards both because you noticed

(19:10):
something changed, Like, I wonder what it was like for you.
You're asleeping and you're like no shadow people. I just
kind of put aside my religious beliefs and stopped going
to church or stop praying or got angry at God
because somebody died or something horrible happened. Uh, you know,
so you have to notice in so, did something change

(19:32):
inside of you? Did you notice that, you know, rock
on devil? I don't know, Like, yeah, I'm all good
with us now, I'm just kidding. But it's like something
there's something that you notice and that you're asking this
question that you're feeling the way that you're feeling, like,

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is it because of this? Do I need to get
right with this again? Do I need to start going
to the building down the street to be okay? Um?
You know, And I'll tell you when it comes to churches,
they serve a great purpose, they really do. They helped
teach the belief the faith right and traditions and rituals

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and whatnot. I don't know how else we get the
word if we don't have them to reach out and
to inform and take the time to learn, you know
about it. Um. But for myself, as a kid growing up,
I did go to church, but after that I did not.
But am I Christian? Oh yes, for sure, Um, But

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I think that there is a way of expressing our
beliefs to be okay outside of a building, you know.
But I understand the congregational needs and coming together. It's
a wonderful thing. It's a beautiful thing. Is that one necessary?

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I don't think so. Is it awesome when it clicks? Heck? Yes,
you know. I've gone to church over the years here
and there, but nothing really consistent. But the community, the smiles,
the love. I mean, somebody once expressed or noted, uh
that the different faiths, the three big ones, have these

(21:21):
certain characteristics that are seen from an observational point of view,
and uh to say, like, you know, the religious faith
of those who are Jewish, they have a lot of
traditions and and things that get passed along. And the
Muslim faith they have various rules and uh do what's
expected of them. And then there's the Christian faith that

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we're just all about love and love your neighbor and
love love love. It's interesting, right, and you know, so
we we've got these basis of our faiths and uh,
you know, and a lot of people like, well, that's
just too brief to say that's all it is. I'm
I'm not trying to say that that's all there is
to you know, the other faith or even the Christian faith.

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I'm not aiming to insult anyone, but I'm just saying that, Uh,
when we think of our faiths, our religions, what comes
to mind that makes us feel we have to be
right there in the nook of it to be able
to get it, you know. I mean you're asking, did

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I somehow get defeated? And so I wasn't a challenge
or a threat any longer to these things to keep
trying to take advantage of me, these shadow people, and
you know what that you're even questioning that makes me
a little bit concerned because I always say trust your gut,
and apparently your gut is thinking about it, like where

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did your heart go when you stepped away from it?
What made you suddenly change? You know, I don't know,
did you just not have time on Sundays or did
you just stop reading the Bible? I don't know what
what it means for you to be religious. You know. Um,
I always think of those types of things and you know,
the things to practices that people do to show their

(23:12):
part of a religion. Um. So yeah, I mean, what
what was it? What was it? Does it feel like
you took away something of your faith when you stepped
away from whatever your practice was to show your religion now? Um,
and if there is a little step down, yes, there
is a possibility that these things saw an opportunity. Unfortunately,

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I'm sorry to say. Uh. I find a lot of
people that have no faith do get approached by these things, um,
until they you know, break down even more so. But
then you're asking also, I mean, it's it's it's kind
of complicated. I understand it's complicated as I'm speaking it out,

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but you're asking also, do you feel like you cast
it out? Again? I don't think so, because it's something
you always did, like I would stay there until you've
got your hand free and said in Jesus name, go away.
So I'm leaning towards like, well, this person dropped in
their faith maybe and so they saw like you know,
easy sailing right here, because you noticed a big difference,

(24:20):
a big change with their approach with you right, That's
what I'm hearing. A big difference, not in fifteen years,
because right then is when you stepped away from your
religious beliefs. So I am thinking that, um, yeah, you

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might be best to look back into it. Are they
darkly influencing you? I don't know. Potentially that sounds horrible,
wasn't it. But I mean we get influenced all the time.
You know. It's like I love popcorn and when I
see a commercial, I want to go get it, even
though I usually have some already. But you know what

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I'm saying, So we're easily influenced, like did it did
it conquer something? Do you feel something? Contemplate that? You know?
I'm gonna say a few more things about that after
the break before you get to the big email. All right,
you guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be

(25:24):
right back. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes

(25:44):
Light with me Heidi Hollis Annie I Heart Radio, Coast
to Coast a AM paranormal podcast network. I hope I
made sense on that last segment. You know, sometime every
time they think it could be complicated. Because I am

(26:06):
such a fan of people's own guts. I don't think
there's a psychic in the world, and I know some
of the best, if not one of the best, uh,
that can say that your gut is wrong. I mean
this person taught that wrote me. It feels like there's
something that must have happened that must have taken place

(26:29):
for these things to step aside. Did they just get
tired of him saying and Jesus name go away? Um?
I don't think so, because it sounds like this was
happening pretty regularly. Yeah, Jesus could do anything, you know,
So I wouldn't say absolutely no because I don't know everything. Uh,

(26:49):
but this for this person to have stepped forward and said,
you know, I had this pretty regularly, and then that's
about when I stopped really you know, having that edge
and thing, and uh, it's like, hold on, they don't
have an interest in me anymore. You know. I get
a lot of people nine times out of ten pretty

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close anyways. Uh. People are are are talented or insightful
and gifted where these beings get attracted to people and
They aim to break people down. They aim to shake
their faith that you know, going to weaken the needs
to doubt themselves. Um, I don't think you doubted yourself, Todd.

(27:33):
I don't think you did, because you use the name
of Jesus on this thing, right and uh, but you
started doubting your faith somehow. It seems to be you've
noted it. Um, And I'm just kind of picking it apart.
So I hope that makes sense for you, Todd and
everybody else that's listening. It's like if you're having the

(27:54):
battles battles all the time with shadow people and you're like, oh, no,
I am not going to go and do this prayer
thing anymore. I'm not gonna and sending shadow people stop
coming to the door. Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd say
something's something's up, Like they're like, well, we can put

(28:16):
our efforts someplace else. And I have to tell you
this too. When these shadow beings put a lot of
effort into somebody, it's because they are quite the prize,
quite the prize, And um, why did they stop? Why
did they stop? Work is hard? Did they win? Maybe? Maybe?

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And we don't like maybe, so be certain tighten up
those beliefs a little bit there, Todd, and uh, your
battles might begin again. But guess what. You can always
go to my group on Facebook, Shadow People, hat Man Experiencer,
or my books Secret War hat and the hat Man Books,

(28:58):
both of them to you how to get rid of
these things. And if you send me an email, I
will always send it to you as well. So, um, yeah,
and how to clear out your space. Okay, So this
giant email or is it or is it there? It is? Okay,
I got it here, I got it here alright, this
one says dear Heidie again. That is me. When I

(29:21):
was almost three years old, my family moved from Michigan
to Kentucky because my dad had purchased a convenience store
in Lexington. Some people might think this is b s
because I would have been too young to remember, but
oddly enough, I remember a lot of things from my childhood,
even at the time, and I was about to turn

(29:44):
three years old. I'm telling you, I get emails from
people who recall being in their baby bed, their baby crib,
and I'm always amazed by these memories because I'm like, what,
who can remember that far back? I could barely remember
what I had for dinner. I decided to think of
it just now, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember.

(30:07):
I don't remember yesterday's on never mine. Okay. So continuing,
when we got to Kentucky, we moved into a town
house outside of Lexington. It was a two bedroom townhouse,
with my older brother and myself sharing a room with
two twin sized beds. Alrighty. After living there for a

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short period of time, my brother and I had went
to bed one night and I recall vividly that I
was not able to fall asleep. We had a window
mounted air conditioning unit and in our room, so it
had just kicked on as I was looking at it,

(30:50):
looking at it, Okay, Both of our beds were against
the wall on each side of the room, and our
feet were pointed towards the side of the room that
had the door for the entry and a closet. All right,
I'm trying to get it in my head, okay, alright, alright, Um.

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As I was hearing the air conditioning unit kick on,
I looked a bit to the left and there was
an at least eight foot tall, dark shadow man wearing
a top hat standing in front of the closet door.

(31:34):
Goose bumps. Anybody eight ft tall? Eight feet tall, that's humongous.
So for a three year old, well, I'm sure as
you grew older you're able to better judge how tall
this thing was. Um okay, So continuing, ikey, everybody absolutely EAPs. Okay.
It looked like it was wearing a long black cloak.

(31:59):
It at a completely black face with no features and
a black top hat. He stood there for a couple
of seconds. I don't care how many times I hear
about these guys. I'm very visual, very visual when I
read these things. I watched the movie in my head

(32:20):
of it, and um, I've learned it's called synaesthesia, and
I just see this happening. So yeah, synesthesia. What is synesthesia? Well,
it's it's not amnesia. Synesthesia's like a crossing of your
senses and where some people like might hear music or
something and they see colors dancing in the air. Where

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I hear stories and people telling me things and I
see it playing out. It's so goose bumps. Okay. Anyways,
that was a long explicitanation for Okay. He stood there
for a couple of seconds, and I remember feeling totally
frozen in fear, and all of a sudden he was
sitting on the side of my small, uh twin size bed,

(33:06):
staring down at me. Really he moves quick, guys, this
is so typical of him. Against his face and it
had no features. Okay again I think they mean again
his face had no features. I do not prove frea
these Okay, I'm sounding it out as I go along.

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So again his face had no features and was completely black.
As I laid there, completely frozen, he did not make
a move, but just sat there staring at me. At
some point I must have fallen asleep, and when I
woke up, he was gone. M hm. The next night

(33:52):
when we went to bed, I had kind of forgotten
about it and was too young to really rationalize what
I saw. Hold on here, but the fear, that fear, guy,
I mean, hold on you, guys. This is this is
a trump. I've had people who are like a toddler.

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This is this is a toddler three years old. I
mean that's little. Uh it just turned three years old.
This kid and the fear that gets instilled in a child,
it's so pure and so innocent. Like I had a
guy right me I believe they thought they were still

(34:34):
like one and a half years old or something, and
to have hat Man step in the room and look
in their baby crib and this telepathic message was given
to him that if you cry, I'm going to kill you.
Can you hear me? Hat Man can instill in a

(34:55):
baby that it's going to die, It's gonna ceased to exist.
Imagine that being that young and being able to interpret
that goes to show our souls are multilayered, right to
be able to observe and let it sink in, like

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what is death? You know? If you sit down to
try to explain to a child, well, you know, like
I was a kid lost my mother. What do you
mean Mom's not coming home? You know, like that concept
was like, well, because she's with God. I'm like, God
kidnapped my mother. I mean, kids, it's so difficult to

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explain something sometimes, you know, and it's like that it
just doesn't sink in. And in an instant here we
have this person saying that they were fearful right but
later on could really rationalize it, but new to have fear,

(35:58):
and that it was strange it didn't have a face.
I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm just kind
of kind of rationalizing some of this myself here, but
I'm telling you, I had another person that wrote that had, um,
there was an absolute baby being bottle fed and saw

(36:19):
hat man and had the fear struck right in them.
I mean, just unbelievable, unbelievable. Okay, So continuing where was I? Okay,
could not rationalize what I saw. I didn't mention anything
to my parents either. I mean, imagine that's a three
year old. It's a three year old. It's like, did

(36:39):
I tell my parents? I guess not. Um. So, as
I lay there trying to fall asleep, oh my gosh,
suddenly he was there again, standing in front of the closet,
and then suddenly sitting on the side of my bed

(37:00):
staring down at me again. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Okay,
I got chills. I got chills. I just I mean, you, guys,
if you haven't seen something move and normally quick as
these things do, you just don't know how easy it

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is to question reality. It is freaky disturbing. And when
you think of these things being another dimension of a
sort where they can distort things where we're moving kind
of slow because I've had out of body experiences in
this place moves very so loud, and for these things

(37:43):
to go skipping along the way they do it is
really freaky. Um. All right, I gotta continue this after
the break because it's getting dark again. All right, you guys,
you're listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Hidie Alice
on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coach they
am You're a normal podcast network. H welcome back. You

(38:15):
are listening to Dark to Comes Light with me, Heidi
Hollis Bunny, I aren't Radio and Coast to Coast they
am paranormal podcast network. Oh boy, this is for the break.
We were in the midst of a very large email.
And uh it's disturbing hat Man going after a toddler

(38:37):
once again, very popular victim of choice for him. Nothing
out of the ordinary, nothing to see here, except it
enrages me every single time when I hear about this.
What a way to start off your life. Huh. Oh
the double page I visit. Oh it makes me angry.

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All right, So, um, before I go off into my rants,
let's finish this email, all right. Um, So hat Man
has returned again. Besides the bed of this three year old.
What's the name John? John? Okay, So again hat me
shows up and uh again frozen in fear, of course,

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but I didn't get the feeling that this thing wanted
to harm me. Oh boy, This pattern continued, You guys,
listen to this night after night until it got to
the point where I was no longer afraid of this thing.
It would sit on my bed and stare at me,
and I would stare back. Oh, some conditioning that's going

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on here, Some conditioning, all right, I recall no longer
being fearful and even somewhat relaxed, as I had gotten
used to him coming. You hear this conditioning. Shortly before
I turned five years old, my parents decided to move
back to Michigan. The neighborhood my dad's store was in

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had gotten really bad, and my dad didn't feel safe
and no longer running the store, so he sold it.
When we left back to Michigan, I no longer saw
the figure and never really told anyone about it. Moving
forward a few years to the time I was around
nine years old and we had just moved into a

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new house. I was playing hide and seek with my
brother and cousin, and I hid in my parents closet.
Why is it the closet? Why is that always the closet? Okay,
As I was sitting down at the bottom of the closet,
a completely black hand, Oh I got chills, which appeared
to be wearing a black glove. Hand reached down from

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in between the clothes. This is a nightmare. It was
a nightmare that we're hanging and just way saved high
like wiggling its fingers. Oh gosh, I am you guys.
It started. The chill started on the tops of my
thighs this time, and it spread from my shoulders out

(41:15):
like I had wings. I don't know. I don't know.
I like describing where my chill come from, and that's
where they went. Okay, I was immediate lee, just fascinate. Okay,
hold then I was immediately just fascinated and had the
overwhelming feeling that this hand belonged to the hat entity

(41:40):
and that he was just checking in on me. After that,
I never saw him again. Who fast forward about twenty
five years and I suddenly started thinking about these incidences,
and I decided to just look online to see if
anyone had experienced anything similar. My jaw almost hit the

(42:04):
floor when I saw that hat Man as they call him,
is a commonly seen shadow figure. Wrong that is reported
all around the world. Yeah, but wrong, Okay, Um, I
mean I have to explain that a second. I had
no idea and just thought it was a unique experience.

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But I was blown back to see all the content.
Sometimes hat Man will just have a brimmed hat, while
others report him wearing a top hat, just like I saw.
Most people tend to think it's a demonic figure that
means harm, but I never got the feeling that he
wanted to harm me at all. Some say what happened

(42:47):
is just sleep paralysis, but why would people all see
the same thing? To this day, I have no doubt
about what I saw, and to me, this is real
John oh boy. Uh yeah, you know it's all interesting.
You know when you start a conversation on something and uh,

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everybody's around the world saying, oh, guess what it does,
says it does that this is actually the pattern. Um.
You know. I took a long time to come forward
to share exactly what he was and what he was doing,
because he was so horrific and he was causing a
lot of have it to people that I know personally
that I had to take steps back and prepare people

(43:33):
around me because I was going to talk about him.
And that's how much of a disruption he is in
people's lives. Um, he wasn't messing with me. He was
messing with those around me, the people that would like
serve as a protective barrier so I don't feel isolated.
So I don't get, you know, in this this desperate

(43:56):
mode or something where I had nobody to vent too.
So he was going after them, and I was like, okay,
hold on, I have to tell my friends and family
and co workers even um, hey guys, I'm gonna talk
about the devil. That's what you gotta do to protect yourself.
So I could take my steps forward. And he is
not a shadow person. When I first introduced shadow people

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and the hat man phenomenon, I initially called him the
hat man shadow and it took me a couple of years.
I had to backtrack a bit. I'm like, he's something different, okay,
because he controls the other beings. He is the head
honcho to them, okay, and he could step out from

(44:40):
the shadows and be absolutely solid. That is uh something
that I've been talking about for years. It came from me,
started for me, always is me. Anybody else talking about it,
that's where they got it from. Um, that's not gonna
tell you because it's just been there's been so many

(45:01):
distortions out there on the content and what I've been
doing for so long, and to have somebody pop along,
Oh guess what, I'm a genius. No, no, this is
not new. I've been talking about this from the start.
That he is solid, he wears clothes, uh, he has skin,

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He could see him clearly, and yeah, he could step
into the shadows just like a human could and kind
of blend in, though he can step in through dimensions.
So he's a little bit better at that game. But
here we have this guy who felt like, oh it's
not so bad. You know. Hat man conditions children to

(45:43):
get used to him, so he can you know, wave hello,
check on his uh, his his uh, how can I say,
his protege, his student, and making sure he's on the
path be used to my energy because I'm going to
be visiting and trying to control you later. Um. Yeah,

(46:04):
so he is something that is not not to be
taken lightly. And you know, I'm sad to hear that
this person felt like, well, he felt somebody I could
rely upon, you know, to be there. It's like, yeah,
because he conditioned you to do that. You're fearful. You
you had that automatic reaction to have fear until it

(46:28):
went away because he kept conditioning you to get used
to his presence. I hope that makes sense to you
because that's what took place. He lets you get used
to letting your guard down with him around, and it's
a it's a terrible, terrible thing to have happened, because
then he gets a little bit closer, a little bit closer.

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I've had people tell me they fell in love with
him as a child because he was comforting, because their
parents might not have been comforting. Who knows why. They
were dependent more on that presence too. So he was
that shoulder to lean on. He was always there. Uh
so yeah, and um so yeah, hat man, where's a
burn hat? Sometimes? Sometimes he wears no hat. Sometimes he

(47:11):
wears a cowboy hat sometimes. I mean he really mixes
it up. He doesn't even always wear black. Uh huh,
he mixes that up as well. And yeah, is he
a demon? He is? And you know, guys, here is
a perfect example of somebody which I get probably once
a week of a person saying I thought it was

(47:31):
the only one, because I've heard from a lot of
people that say randomly, you know, oh, maybe maybe you're
creating this phenomena because you're telling people about it. No, No,
it's the other way around. People are experiencing these things
years years ago before I spoke. They just didn't know
what it was. And why am I the person to

(47:53):
speak on it. Well, that's a big, long, juicy story. Uh.
People think I got this information independent of anything, But
I'm telling you some people here, like myself, we can
remember before we were born. We can remember why we
came here. And I'm one of those people. I remember

(48:16):
before I came here without hypnosis, but through something really
odd and unique that I haven't come across personally by
other people except for some who are like, oh yeah,
me too. Yeah, I've had that happen with something I
regret sharing. Oh gosh, people are something else. Just to

(48:37):
speak brief, I shared, Uh, military abduction I had that
was quite unique, and I'm like, I'm going to tell
you this in private. I really don't want to talk
about it too much. Next time I spoke to that
person after like a year. Do you know I had
this really unique military abduction. What it was my story
being repeated back to me. Yeah, yeah, it happens. Uh

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So again here we are, guys, Um, but where was I?
So this person is asking, you know, why are all
people seeing the same thing. It's because it's not sleep paralysis.
There's actually something going on and hat Man is actually
the devil, so demon of all demons. Uh so. Yeah,
I hope that this was helpful for you, John, Thank

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you so much for writing me and for sharing that,
because man, it's it's horrible out there, guys, a lot
of things that are going on, and people are getting
fooled by this hat Man and people wonder why it's
going on. It's because he conditions people sometimes. All Right,
you guys, don't forget to go to my main website,
which is Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com.

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Tell me your stories and follow me on Instagram, Twitter,
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don't don't forget that we're all pulling for each other
in this world and helping each other out is what
it's all about. And showing a little love and sprinkling
some Jesus on it to keep these negative things away.

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How's that I always learned something new, and I hope
you guys do too. All Right, you guys, we've come
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